🛑 DON'T Buy Camaro SS 6th Gen 2016-2018 Until You Watch this | Known Issues, Transmission Issue?

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  • Опубликовано: 28 окт 2024

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  • @vanlarson9213
    @vanlarson9213 3 года назад +32

    I've got a 2018 SS Camaro with the 8 speed Automatic. I just turned 30,000 and haven't experienced any problems. I love my Camaro and plan to keep it Forever'

    • @wtsdre8417
      @wtsdre8417 2 года назад +1

      Same I have 2017 camaro since 2017 just now at 80k miles no problems at all I have it missed out now plan to transmission swap soon

  • @mob4336
    @mob4336 3 года назад +83

    “I’ve driven this car alot guys...... I’ve driven it 1,000 miles ...,I drive it a lot “.........LMAO 😂 . 1k miles , that’s not driving a lot dude

    • @AsherCB350
      @AsherCB350 3 года назад +6

      Facts I do that in a month

    • @great4ever845
      @great4ever845 3 года назад +3

      I'm guessing automatic transmission problems ?

    • @j.zimulinda5327
      @j.zimulinda5327 3 года назад +9

      He said so far

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  3 года назад +10

      Glad to see someone who paid attention

    • @TheReaper88
      @TheReaper88 2 года назад +7

      @@NigelDRealest by any standard 1000 miles isn't a lot lol. I put 800 miles on mine in the first 2 weeks

  • @mirlin12
    @mirlin12 3 года назад +14

    I think my wife's 2016 SS was one of the 1st issues that GM had ever seen on this transmission they tried to reprogram it and that didn't work.GM ended up pulling the transmission to send it back the the factory to pull it apart . And installed a new one, and it was fine for a few years and then we just recently took it down for the shutter problem and changed out the fluid from the black label Mobile 1 to the Blue label.. been fine ever since.

    • @cski12894
      @cski12894 Год назад

      If you had a V6 there are a lot more problems with the 3160 6 speed manual. Mainly a relucter gear and a washer and the yoke nut washer and seal. I sunk a lot of money into a Supercharger and even before that the trans was a mess at 3500 miles. That's when I bought it thinking "how bad could it be?" BAD THATS HOW BAD IT CAN BE. I don't care about visibility and not fitting in it. It is not a car for tall people. The trick is to order the knee pads from the OEM parts list (leaster stitched $500 for the pair. OR: just order the ones that are black stitched vynil and you can finslly shift w/o pain. But all the crap that guy was talking about is the least of your probs on a 2020 V6 manual RS. It's just bot worth it. I will buy a 10 speed auto V8 next time. Since used are same $ as used just buy new.

    • @javierortega7645
      @javierortega7645 9 месяцев назад

      How many quartz? Of trans oil, just to drop the pan?

  • @carlostena6765
    @carlostena6765 4 года назад +14

    So far this is the second video I’ve seen in my RUclips feed bro and so far your vids have been great. You’re gonna grow up to be a great channel soon.

  • @sammacintyre2583
    @sammacintyre2583 Год назад +3

    I owned the 2017 SS 1LE and it was the best car I’ve ever owned. The suspension and brakes are amazing

    • @Ghostpro353
      @Ghostpro353 9 месяцев назад

      What made you get rid of it?

    • @fabianuu_
      @fabianuu_ 8 месяцев назад

      @@Ghostpro353the transition 😭

    • @ShadowBuddha1
      @ShadowBuddha1 7 месяцев назад

      @@fabianuu_I’m thinking of getting rid of my c5 for a 6th gen camaro ss or 2ss. Are the transmissions that bad?

  • @anselmo131
    @anselmo131 4 года назад +34

    These companies don’t care about the defective product. They know the issues and still put it out on the market (lemon car) their main business is in the MAINTANACE . When your on the lot to make a purchase they treat you like royalty, when you comeback with mechanical issues they take your vehicle ignore it and abandon your car in the lot.😂😂

  • @love1another393
    @love1another393 4 года назад +14

    The thing with people complaining about not being able to put their left arm comfortably on the door at the bottom on the window is the dumbest complaint about a car that i have ever heard. People put their arm there but thats not what a door is made for!!!! I dont drive with two hands on the wheel very often but you are supposed to so the left arm complaint is utterly stupid. No car manufacturers have ever stated that your left arm should be comfortable when placing it on the door..

    • @blackice7408
      @blackice7408 4 года назад +1

      Yeah i drive with my left hand on the wheel and my elbow on the top of the middle storage compartment in my car

    • @hgfdksk17
      @hgfdksk17 День назад

      It’s an armrest bro.. Every door has an armrest for that reason. It’s more so specifically for road trips

  • @cchaney2475
    @cchaney2475 7 месяцев назад

    Just purchased 2016 LT2 RS drop top 21553 miles
    That trans shutter is something I’ll look in thanks for that info.👍🏿

  • @xEmsXPhiiltzx
    @xEmsXPhiiltzx 3 года назад +6

    I just recently got a new job now I’m working 2 jobs so i can buy a 6th gen 2ss 😍 thank u for the info sounds like a car meant for me I have a 5th gen v6 I’m ready for a v8!

    • @josejuarez283
      @josejuarez283 3 года назад +1

      I’m planning on getting one as well a 2ss but I heard even after flush multiple forums say it’s there temporarily fix 1k miles isn’t much I heard it comes back a couples months. Kinda bummed out since it’s my dream car but it’s a hassle getting it fixed 100%

    • @mariofernandez6930
      @mariofernandez6930 3 года назад

      Did you buys one?

  • @alericc1889
    @alericc1889 2 года назад +2

    You did what I did with my 2018 Camaro, I have the mirrors set to where I can see the side more than the rear of the car which allows me to see anything on my sides.
    Ok NOW I know why my car is doing this, I thought it was the tires and not the transmission shuddering.

  • @1zcrew
    @1zcrew 4 года назад +8

    Its equipped with a 8L90 automatic transmission. Im having the same issue second time taking it for a flush. Ive heard from most ppl it always come back even when they replace the torque converter

    • @neo4102
      @neo4102 4 года назад

      think an aftermarket TQ/tune might be the only real solution?

    • @Zan0_oX
      @Zan0_oX 4 года назад +2

      I just had the recall flush and differential fluid done. It's been about a yr now since it's been done and no issues here yet...hard to believe a fluid change could fix a issue like that because it was scary... 18SS

    • @josejuarez283
      @josejuarez283 3 года назад

      @@Zan0_oX so 18 ss and no issues after? I’m planning on buying one same year but don’t know if I want to deal with this issue

    • @Zan0_oX
      @Zan0_oX 3 года назад

      @@josejuarez283 no lie dude, still driving the car til this day and havent had anymore issues out of the trans, since the flush and that was over a yr ago. The car has been really good to me. Although I might mention if you get the hard top you can hit 170 plus..but if you get a convertible it tops out at 155.. also the hard top has the cooling brake system not sure what kind of driving your gonna be doing with it..felt like that's was something you may needed to know also. Considering I just found this out yesterday lol..

    • @josejuarez283
      @josejuarez283 3 года назад

      @@Zan0_oX hard top is the same as a convertible no? And thanks well hopefully I don’t get it and if I do get the issue I hope it takes away with one flush because I heard flushes are just temporarily because once the shudder happens the converter is already damaged

  • @boredoftheuniverse9946
    @boredoftheuniverse9946 6 месяцев назад

    I’m 6,4 aswell! I fit so well in my 2016 2ss it’s insane way better than my Nissan Altima I traded it in for

  • @tman3598
    @tman3598 3 года назад +2

    As a 2017 SS camaro owner myself too say the visibility isn’t an issue is a straight 🧢 it’s always been an issue it’s a known issues

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  3 года назад +4

      Well, I have no problem with it along with many others. Sits & Mirror adjustments go a long way

  • @MrSalty-eg4zb
    @MrSalty-eg4zb 4 года назад +8

    I have 2018 2SS 6 speed 10k miles on it now and as of today have had NOT one prob with the car....

  • @jc_yadigg
    @jc_yadigg 3 года назад +5

    im getting anxiety watching you open the door so close to that blue concrete post

  • @Djsrevenge224
    @Djsrevenge224 20 дней назад

    So how much did it cost you to fix it I’m having the same problem rn

  • @vinceoneal31
    @vinceoneal31 10 месяцев назад

    My 2016 had that trans shutter. All they did was change the fluid. "Good to go" Strate to another dealership and traded it in on a 2019 2ss...Much better

  • @ls1guy763
    @ls1guy763 3 года назад +1

    I have a 2017 ss hot red Bought it new and about to reach 50.000 miles fun car super sexy

  • @vibez2326
    @vibez2326 3 года назад +2

    We have a 2016 2ss and the transmission wheel bearing is going out. It's making a noise.
    Previous owner drove it to death.

  • @chrisEGK
    @chrisEGK 4 года назад +8

    Have you had any problems with hitting your head while going over bumps/speed bumps? I’m 6’6 and worried about that because most 2SS’s come with the sunroof that make the roof a little bit lower.

  • @SSMan-jo6tf
    @SSMan-jo6tf 3 года назад +1

    I LOVE my 17 2SS Convertible (Everything! The sound,the power,interior) these cars are sexy as hell!!

  • @twistedamerican3307
    @twistedamerican3307 Год назад

    I have a 2017 2SS my husband has took my car 3 times to get the transmission flushed and the transmission had to get a software update. The inside door handles was also replaced by GM they were cutting my fingers when i would open my doors..

  • @redxdragon1341
    @redxdragon1341 3 года назад +6

    Honestly at first I thought you where just gonna be bashing on the Maro cuz of the title. But after I seen it you had a lot of good points especially about the visibility 😆 I’ve had my Maro for 3 years now and it’s a great car. I honestly can’t believe u fit comfortable in the for 6’4, I had a friend tell me it’s uncomfortable and his 6’1. But catching up on watching ur videos hope ur channel blows up 🤙🏾

    • @HawkBillGaming
      @HawkBillGaming 3 месяца назад

      I have ‘17 and I’m 6’7 fit just fine drive it daily I love it and never uncomfortable best car I’ve had

  • @dilonrader5475
    @dilonrader5475 3 года назад +1

    I have a 2016 and it was fine till 30k miles went to crap. Torque converter replaced at 45k miles ran fine for about another 45k miles now runs crap again. Nothing but issues.

  • @Overlord3420
    @Overlord3420 3 года назад +3

    I’m 6’7” and I’m still deciding between the 3 Chevy, Dodge, and Ford it’s extremely tough. I’m going manual no matter what though!

    • @cgip1340
      @cgip1340 3 года назад +1

      If you can get it get the zl1. Other than that hellcat is the way to go. Mustangs are bleh except for 500s

    • @captainjinx42
      @captainjinx42 3 года назад +1

      Im 6ft with plenty of room but I wouldn't get the sunroof if I were you. Its a bit less room. Manual of course.

    • @davidjitt8097
      @davidjitt8097 2 года назад +2

      @@cgip1340 mustangs are bleh? I don’t think you’ve ever driven one

    • @jtd3d351
      @jtd3d351 2 года назад

      Easy get the Camaro LT1 or SS. It’s more nimble than a Challenger could ever be and it has more torque than a Mustang. Done deal 😎.

  • @qamarmood1157
    @qamarmood1157 3 года назад +3

    I like the 2018 facia better than the newer ones

  • @donramon2501
    @donramon2501 22 дня назад

    Old school that car looks sharp

  • @Ghettochild.2600
    @Ghettochild.2600 Год назад

    I really enjoyed my 2016 SS, but after 30k miles and transmission fluid changed it still suffered from the transmission shutter. So I sold it.

  • @RevDevGaming
    @RevDevGaming Год назад

    Transmission issues on the transmission that no one wants anyways. Like who buys a car that’s meant to be fun in automatic?

  • @72lpa
    @72lpa 9 месяцев назад

    So i got this 2016 camaro 1ss im soon to buy, should go for 5th gen or keep my option

  • @prosoundllc7500
    @prosoundllc7500 8 месяцев назад

    around 10k miles the shuttering will start AGAIN even after a new torque converter is installed. GM is only changing the oil to get you thru til the warranty is out. The fluid switch is only a stop gap cover up for a falty torque converter which they will replace with another faulty torque converter. They are being sued for a good reason. You may want to dig a little deeper on yur research.

  • @cski12894
    @cski12894 3 года назад +8

    Darn. Glad I got the manual! (only because I only drive for pleasure)
    Still, thanks for the info....especially the mirrors. I don't like not seeing tve back of my car just a little to be able to judge the physics...but the visibility 'issue" has been known and expected in any pony/muscle car.

  • @websterjrcameron
    @websterjrcameron 4 года назад +4

    I wanna get a 2018 used with low miles because I don’t like the newer models front ends but do you think it would be ok to buy used ?

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  4 года назад

      it depends on the condition of the car?? I bought used...

    • @websterjrcameron
      @websterjrcameron 4 года назад

      [RUclipsr] Nigel D Realest if had a redo would u stick with 8 auto or 10 auto

    • @noahdunaway
      @noahdunaway 4 года назад

      websterjrcameron I WOULD AVOID THE GM 8 SPEED AUTO, PLUS THE MANUAL TRANS CAMARO DOES NOT HAVE THE DOD LIFTERS THAT ARE KNOWN TO HAVE A HIGH FAILURE RATE. I HAVE A 2018 SS HOT WHEELS EDITION FOR SALE WITH 4,000 MILES AND MANUAL TRANS.

    • @noahsimmons4107
      @noahsimmons4107 4 года назад

      NOAH DUNAWAY selling yours to get a corvette?

    • @noahdunaway
      @noahdunaway 4 года назад +2

      Noah Simmons THAT’S CRAZY, I WAS LOOKING AT A 2020 CORVETTE ONLINE WHEN YOU POSTED.

  • @dougplommer9961
    @dougplommer9961 Год назад

    looking at a 2018 ss with only 5000 miles. I need to check if fluid has been upgraded.
    Any ideas on how to check?

  • @leecarpenter8031
    @leecarpenter8031 Год назад

    I got a 2016ss the shudder only happens in dod mode. When it drops to 4 cylinder mode. I have driven my car 16,000 miles. No issues other than a battery.

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  Год назад

      FYI, the shudder can happen whether dod is enabled or not.

  • @corycunningham1100
    @corycunningham1100 4 года назад +3

    They replaced the transmission fluid in my 2016 Camaro SS and I drove great for maybe a week and the stutter issue came back. I think my torque converter needs to be replaced. As of now, GM isn't doing anything about replacing the torque converter

    • @chriscraft77022
      @chriscraft77022 4 года назад +2

      yup.. mine lasted 3000 miles..

    • @justinwhittle2549
      @justinwhittle2549 4 года назад +2

      Mine started shuddering at 18k miles in 2018. I took it in and the dealership replace my torque converter and flushed the transmission. Replaced fluid to the new one. That lasted for 9k and I had to bring it back again for the shudder which was worse this time with 27k in 2020. All they did now is flush and use new fluid. The tech said gm will no longer replace torque converters. So in other words I will have to get new trans fluid every two to three oil changes? The tech laughed

    • @corycunningham1100
      @corycunningham1100 4 года назад +1

      Justin Whittle Damn. Thanks for the info

  • @Edwinbottomley
    @Edwinbottomley Год назад

    I literally just downloaded almost all your videos on this car

  • @jldhawk
    @jldhawk 2 года назад +1

    I just bought this car, picking up tomorrow. Thanks for the video. I'll take it for a drive and see if I can find out if they replaced the fluid or not

    • @TimNguyensYouLose
      @TimNguyensYouLose Год назад +1

      How you liking the car?

    • @jldhawk
      @jldhawk Год назад +1

      @Stayboostin22 Love it, I had a 2015 2ss Convertible and sold it a couple years ago.

    • @jldhawk
      @jldhawk Год назад +1

      I bought the convertible version of the 2017 you have

  • @jasontrimmings7221
    @jasontrimmings7221 2 года назад +1

    I’m curious is it a big difference between the 10 speed ss and the 8 speeds

    • @Slo_Lt1
      @Slo_Lt1 2 года назад +1

      0.5 second 0-60 lol

  • @officialtnso4594
    @officialtnso4594 4 года назад +1

    i Just Got A 2016 Camaro 2SS And i Noticed That Too , it Shutters And its Jerky .. But How Do i Get it Fixed ? Do i Call Any Local Chevy? And Was it Free To Fix?

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  4 года назад +1

      It's covered under powertrain warranty if you have any left

    • @danieltorres2965
      @danieltorres2965 4 года назад +2

      All they do is flush your oil, if it continues they’ll have to change the torque converter

  • @RaulLopez-kz9fy
    @RaulLopez-kz9fy 3 года назад

    I had a 2018 Camaro SS 2SS and I don't have problem with it, just fuel pump module and fuel pump but, i take it to the Dealership and they replace it, first issue was the transmission, also they change the transmission oil on warranty and running good, if you don't like that car just changed, is lot off car out there.

  • @billwilliams6433
    @billwilliams6433 3 года назад +1

    Transmission problem is the programming of the torque converter lock up ratio. It's to high. It needs lowered and the 4 popper mode dumped. That will end the problem
    Electrical is the ground. Fix them and add the recommended extra ones. Remember that glue doesn't conduct electricity real well. If you want to test do a ground test using the volt method. Same with the starter. Ground are bad. Fix them. Then enjoy your car or don't fix them and groan about it. Lol

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  3 года назад

      Bro the only problem is the fluid. Where did you get this info from?

  • @4fficiallo88
    @4fficiallo88 Год назад

    So do you know if there is a recall on the transmission I recently just bought a 2017 ss and I feel the grinding

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  Год назад

      no recall. Just get the fluid replaced asap. if issue comes back or if flush was already done, replace Torque converter

    • @4fficiallo88
      @4fficiallo88 Год назад

      @@NigelDRealest what was the fluid you use for the transmission?

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  Год назад

      @@4fficiallo88 The one according to 18-NA-355.

  • @Thabyrd9
    @Thabyrd9 Год назад

    Man people who complain about visibly can't drive Ive never seen a camaro crash because of it meanwhile I see chargers/challengers and mustangs wipe with all the visibility in the world make it makes sense please

  • @Goczku
    @Goczku 2 года назад +1

    Camaro 2018 2ss is Ok?

  • @JeffreyLMW
    @JeffreyLMW 3 года назад

    Just bought a 2018 camaro LT and already had 2 transmission issues and even when I picked the car up

  • @radosawtomaszek
    @radosawtomaszek 4 года назад +3

    2018 also have transmition problem

  • @subcook32
    @subcook32 3 года назад +9

    Nice video sir. Your fingers seem really long and pointy btw.

  • @gtrance3567
    @gtrance3567 4 года назад +6

    Great video. Too bad it took Gm three years for a solution to the shudder. Pretty incredible.

  • @TheReaper88
    @TheReaper88 2 года назад

    You must be a different kind of 6'4" than me lol. I sit with the seat all the way back and down and my knees are halfway up the steering wheel with the wheel all the way up

  • @ss6thgen336
    @ss6thgen336 2 года назад

    i just got my 2017 camaro ss and have been issues when im in 40 changing gears it vibrates automatic tans

  • @Seba_305
    @Seba_305 2 года назад

    i got a 2018 camaro rs and since i’m 5’2 this car is perfect for me, feels like a cave

  • @MrGossipo
    @MrGossipo 3 года назад

    Very informative. Thanks Nigel.

  • @dante69d
    @dante69d 2 года назад +1

    Good info....I. plan on buying one....drive ANY modern muscle car. The view sucks. You adapt to it.

  • @-APACH3
    @-APACH3 3 года назад

    Got my sub bro

  • @damianvargas7799
    @damianvargas7799 3 года назад

    How much was the flush??

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  3 года назад

      Free

    • @ayyo-jason
      @ayyo-jason 2 года назад

      If your car is still under powertrain warranty, they should do this for free.

  • @goyardblessed3147
    @goyardblessed3147 2 года назад

    Facts about transmission I got a ss and a rs the rs had that shudder shit

  • @Huero510
    @Huero510 3 года назад

    Nice car bro what year is your SS?

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  3 года назад +1

      2017

    • @Huero510
      @Huero510 3 года назад

      Automatic or manual ?

    • @amr.e4616
      @amr.e4616 3 года назад +2

      @@Huero510 watch the video get your answers

    • @Huero510
      @Huero510 3 года назад

      @@amr.e4616 mind your business

    • @Huero510
      @Huero510 3 года назад

      Ain’t no one talking to you

  • @jasondixon9095
    @jasondixon9095 3 года назад

    Do you still have this car

  • @Dpyron23
    @Dpyron23 2 года назад

    Dude said he drove this car a lot to then say he drove it a 1000 miles.. lmao

  • @love1another393
    @love1another393 4 года назад +9

    I think you can feel heat anytime you open the hood on any car. I think you should give up doing car reviews. You are saying nothing but the obvious with the heat stuff

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  4 года назад +7

      Yeah? and I think you should STFU. I do my research first. A lot of people who own this car say the same thing. This engine generates a lot more heat than "Normal". Look it up

    • @that6thgen_2ss35
      @that6thgen_2ss35 4 года назад +2

      @@NigelDRealest Question, "normal" in comparison to what? I have a fully built 2016 SS and I race it all the time. I don't see that it makes anymore heat compared to other similar cars with V8's like Mustangs and Challengers. If you are comparing it to a normal daily car with a 4 cyl engine, yes it does make alot of heat.

  • @camerongallagher9544
    @camerongallagher9544 3 года назад

    Mid 2017 middle year

  • @unknownperson2422
    @unknownperson2422 4 года назад +1

    Change the title of this Video to, Dont Subscribe to Click on these clickbait thumbnail videos! So! I wont be subscribing or thumbs upping you!

  • @mikelovell9661
    @mikelovell9661 4 года назад +1

    I unloaded my 2016 due to the transmission issue

    • @illegalfreakTV
      @illegalfreakTV 4 года назад

      Same. I got rid of my 17 1SS because it had the shudder issue and the dealer didn’t give a damn to help me with it.

    • @chriscraft77022
      @chriscraft77022 4 года назад

      @Michael Cass i might do that.. how much did they give you for the 17?

  • @RT-xg6nd
    @RT-xg6nd 4 года назад +6

    why do you buy a camaro in a first place if you going to complain about it.

    • @anthonysanchez7220
      @anthonysanchez7220 4 года назад

      @@chriscraft77022 your dirty and ride the light rail

    • @kiwi9065
      @kiwi9065 4 года назад

      Style, coolness and fun overshadow the problems

    • @BlessedOrri
      @BlessedOrri 3 года назад +1

      Its fast ash and it gets you girls.

    • @sol1120
      @sol1120 5 месяцев назад

      Because engineers aren’t perfect

  • @davidmireles5402
    @davidmireles5402 4 года назад +8

    That’s why you get a manual

    • @madarauchiha6paths.33
      @madarauchiha6paths.33 3 года назад +3

      Actually the manual is worse as far as transmission goes I can’t remember the exact issue but it don’t last really long

    • @davidmireles5402
      @davidmireles5402 3 года назад +1

      @@madarauchiha6paths.33 yeah maybe the people you know don’t know how to drive manual or yourself, they’re way easier to fix

    • @davidmireles5402
      @davidmireles5402 3 года назад

      @@madarauchiha6paths.33 and it’s also called purchase extended warranty!

    • @BlessedOrri
      @BlessedOrri 3 года назад +1

      @@davidmireles5402 manuals alot slower btw.

    • @davidmireles5402
      @davidmireles5402 3 года назад +1

      @@BlessedOrri your right I mean it has it’s pros and cons I’ll upload a video soon I beat many Camaros and moosetangs with my manual same mods done exactly only difference manuals has 6 gears autos have 8-10

  • @kevmoe3128
    @kevmoe3128 Год назад

    Imagine having an automatic muscle car 🤡🤡🤡🤡

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  Год назад +1

      🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️

  • @OttoVonRiggentrop
    @OttoVonRiggentrop 2 года назад

    Dude has red strips on rims and is talking about car kekW

    • @NigelDRealest
      @NigelDRealest  2 года назад

      No idea what that means but this is a factory option. It’s painted on. Bought it this way.

  • @rthawknatanabah1759
    @rthawknatanabah1759 4 года назад

    😁😂😀... your the funny one .

  • @scootergunsmoke8542
    @scootergunsmoke8542 4 года назад +4

    we need a 5.3 camaro