1 Year after the War Thunder Boycott
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- Опубликовано: 6 июн 2024
- With the War Thunder Boycott anniversary coming up really soon its time to talk about the whole situation 1 year after one of the biggest controversies in War Thunder.
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May 2023 Econ Spread Sheet : docs.google.com/spreadsheets/...
Revising the Economy : warthunder.com/en/news/8259-r...
Economy Revision: warthunder.com/en/news/8264-d...
How Free to play works by Gaijin : warthunder.com/en/news/8260-h...
2023 Roadmap: warthunder.com/en/news/8319-d...
Economy Revision - Our Plans : warthunder.com/en/news/8318-d...
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About: War Thunder boycott and player union is about to turn 1 year old in may so its time to look back to that period of War Thunder to see how it has changed. Also Escape from Tarkov is having a similar situation where Nikita is killing the game.
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0:00 Intro
0:34 Simple review of the "Boycott"
1:28 Steam Review Bomb
2:55 Gaijin goes into Panic Mode
10:36 War Thunder Roadmap Announcement 2023
13:35 WTPU (War Thunder Player Union)
18:11 Being a Tarkov "True Believer"
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I think you kinda miss the point with review bombing. Yes, it hurts the game, that's kinda the point? When Gaijin announces changes to completely fuck the economy and are deaf to feedback, the players can only threaten what gaijin cares about - the money, make the revenue loss from negative reviews outweigh the revenue loss from an economy that doesn't force you to pay to progress at a decent pace.
I completely understand the point of review bombing. The goal is to create backlash so the game has to respond to it, but like I said in the video the problem at that time for warthunder is you had marketing people who’s job is to create schemes to make more profit in the game. Which was to adjust the economy to make more people want/need premiums and premium time etc.
Like with all situations in the past for warthunder where they decided to do something really stupid like try to introduce paid consumables the community was like woah wtf you doing gaijin and they did not add them to the game.
@@DawgIVLife The big thing that you missed was that the Chinese heavily participated in the boycott and reviewbomb. It's their way of showing displeasure towards something and they are way more organized than we are. They are also a very large group that is more than willing to spend money on games. Gaijin had to do something because these dudes will very much leave if they feel like the devs aren't doing their part. The boycott very much did something to the game and truth be told while I'm not 100% satisfied with the changes, they did do something to make the game a bit more rewarding which is in stark contrast to what would've happened if people just complained and did nothing.
It’s just really hard to fit everything into a video like this. When I was coming up with the outline I was going to include more details like the guy who showed up at the gaijin offices and put some posters up. Or the death threats, but then made the judgment call those types of people do not deserve to be remembered. It’s a video game at the end of the day, but I am assuming more CCs will be making a similar type video I really hope someone does like a timeline of events where it’s more of a historical viewing of the boycott instead of a recollection like this video is.
Agreed, point of the review bomb is to deter new people from spending money
This is one of the only f2p games where whales don't make up 90% of the revenue. A reasonable amount is from new/avid players getting stuff like starter packs, small amounts of GE and buying those premium pop up deals
@@DawgIVLife I'll be completely honest and say that I didn't really watch the video (or listened in full) but I believe that the review bombing worked simply because it made the marketing team/gaijin realize that we won't take shit like this (unlike WoT players). It also worked because it made the devs work hard and fast on the QoL stuff, balancing (even tho it is quite iffy and still has ways to go) and being more open about what they plan to add (roadmap). I am not even going to talk about the War thunder union - that thing was a joke with TEC being on top - always crying about stuff that could all be summarized to a simple skill/brain issue. People who still say that this has "something-bias" is stupid for the simple reason of - if the other player is stupid he will die anyway/if you are better you win.
Review bombing, aka making Gaijin lose money is the only way to force them to change. When new players see those reviews and give the game a pass Gaijin dosent get $$$$$
it didn't change much tbh... +4k hours on steam and the game still feels overwhelming if you actually want to play different vehicles
I could see that. If you had someone brand new to warthunder it could be very overwhelming just how everything works.
@@DawgIVLifenah man. u can top score with premium and it will still take forever
I totally disagree. I've been playing since 2015 and it's a huge improvement. I fly through whole ranks and BR brackets now, it goes so fast sometimes that I no longer feel compelled to grind War Thunder all the time now, and make time for other games, irl stuff, school, friends, learning stuff through videos, etc. I'm not tied down trying to spend tons of time grinding a single vehicle.
im still laughing my ass of from the "most don't pay" quote, been grinding USA air ar 11,3 lately and on average im counting between 560-840 dollars worth of F4S's per game
Plus most people who are serious about the game still at least pay for premium once a year and that probably accounts for half the playerbase
Leave multimilion company be 🤬
My multimillion dollar company beef currently is with fast food and how much of a scam the prices currently are.
@@DawgIVLifeyou WILL consume the goyslop 🤣
I am sorry to say that I completely disagree with your view of the Review Bombing. It makes no sense. Of course you are a War Thunder CC so you most likely need to remain polite about Gaijin or maybe you trully believe that they did very little wrong. But saying that review bombing is hurting the game without even adressing the reason why people would review bomb or even just leave the game in general is weird. You did not give any numbers, you did not give an ETA for grinding one part of a Techtree.
For the average player it would cost them 9,427,300 rp (give or take) to unlock every single GROUND United States vehicle. Earning on average 2000rp (no premium) at top tier, that would take roughly 4,713 matches. If we have an average of 12 minutes per match that would equal 56,561 minutes (942 hrs) needed. So roughly 39 days of non stop , continuous play. That is not possible for the average player to ever reach the end of top tier within their first year (Unless they have a month of non stop play).
This is ridiculous and only for ground US tree. Imagine that for all the other trees. You may think that it is all right or maybe new players should just buy top tier premiums, but that isn't fixing the problem. If losing some "potential" players is what is needed to get Gaijin to lower costs or to update research modifiers, then I'll gladly do it again.
Also note that War Thunder won't die until a better alternative for players comes along. Since 2013, there has been none, so there is no way that the review bomb would have ever caused the game to fail and shut down. As you pointed out yourself. Even the Union was playing because Gaijin holds the monopoly and those people still needed to grind out the event.
I don’t own every vehicle in the game, but I also do understand that my experience with the game is unlike majority of the players because I can request permanent vehicles or test drives to get vehicles spaded for free.
To be completely transparent I use most of my CC budget each month and update to collect the premiums so it’s easier to do videos, but for the most part I do like to spade vehicles legitimately. Gives me some sort of goal to go after. Like in this video the gameplay of the rochev (m109) and the Su-100 for china was me finishing off those vehicles the last couple of days.
I know this will sound weird but thinking about how I am still able to have something to do after playing the game for 10 years to me is pretty cool, but also if your goal is just to reach top tier as fast as possible I just feel like you will burn your self out quickly.
@@DawgIVLife Updated my original comment while you were replying as it did come off a rather rude and I would like to appologise.
However, as I have stated in my new comment, if new people are leaving it isn't because bad reviews, its all down to the grind. 39 days in total to unlock almost all the US ground tree is insane! US air would be 43 days and you can times that by 9 because there are 9 techtrees in the game (Give or take as not all trees have the same amount of vehicles).
I understand that you as a CC is always looking for endgame, but this shouldn't come at the expense of the majority who cannot do what you do. I have been tryharding since april as I have recently become unemployed, but as soon as my employment restarts I will be unable to plow through all 9 trees to get to a completion point.
My understanding is that Gaijin has already done wrong and there is no way for them to back up. The game is stale and only new vehicles is what brings in new players. If the review bomb was dissuasive, then at least gaijin needs to own up.
@@DawgIVLife Spading a vehicle might be fun with you want to do that but when you're forced to do that for every single vehicle you get specially in top tier it's just pain.
I have played some god awful vehicles like the tow boxes or the Chinese M41D and spaded them. Not all of the vehicles I have played have been 100% enjoyable challengers 2 for example was a vehicle I was spading right when the drone update came out where drones spawned like 5km away and where just straight revenge cas. That was not fun at all in a vehicle which already was not the greatest MBT
@pershing3346 just as a general question are you talking about play time 39 days or as in 39 days of couple hour sessions etc? Also I really hope everything goes smoothly with the employment I know that can be stressful.
There is no ground mode. There is only mixed(dump on ground vehicles by planes and helicopters) mode. I wish there was only ground mode.
The snail doesn’t give a flying f unfortunately
Steve jobbs would be crying if he was alive today
The guy himself wasn’t perfect, but at the same time very sad that apple decided to “save the planet” by not including charging bricks, but we all know it was to save money on not including bricks and shipping cost at a macro scale. Just they would never say that. Had to be a buzz word marketing reason.
Dude would be doing the same shit bro
I've been playing games on PC before Internet. Think 80286 8mhz, 40mb IDE hard drive, 640K RAM, etc. Hero's Quest, Police Quest, Leisure Suit Larry, etc on a monochrome 14" monitor etc. I ran a dial-up modem BBS to distribute warez and pr0n as a teenager. I've never spent more time or money on a game than WarThunder. Literally play this fkn game every day for the last 17 months since I first installed it. The only things they've done that pissed me off was lower the BR on my VEAK 40 and remove its proxy rounds, and then raise the Type 81 (C) to 11.3 just after I unlocked it and was having a blast throwing missiles up SU25's asses. I've always bought Premium sub during 1/2 off Christmas sale so the economy changes didn't really affect me.
You can’t blame people for review bombing the game, Gaijin doesn’t care about the players & the game legitimately isn’t fun to play 90% of the time, so why not destroy it to get their attention.
So I can ask the same question to you if the game is only 10% fun why not find another game to enjoy 90% in?
@@DawgIVLifeBecause they literally have a monopoly. You really are dumber than gaijin aren’t you?
That's not a counter-argument at all, it's a deflections. He's right.@@DawgIVLife
Notice the lack of likes Dawg. You just got some bad takes man.
Its a video game for the rest of us.
And a job for you.
Because I am not going to try to counter argue someone who is purposely still playing a video game they 90% of the time will dislike. What the point other than to tell them to try other games.
there is something that i dont get tho if i grinded any event and got the vehicle and lets say i sell it and got like 75 gaijin coin and bought some pack does that benefit the company or what ?
We need Another... Ground RB is ungrindable
my boycott lasted a year, you are very certain it doesnt affect everyday players but i seriously was considering stopping forever! such leach devs dont deserve anything. but seeing a playable economy i did come back. i am still cautious to invest a lot of money scared of future changes
Big L take on the review bomb. It made Gaijin decide to do roadmaps, improve repair cost and not ruin premium rewards and more. But the improvements to the game itself is still very lacking. Many half assed mechanics and encredibly inconsistent damage model. Atleast people are starting to bend less and fight back.
the still make the abrams underpowerd
I got a plan let’s contact our local representatives to request the purchase of 1 leopard 2a7 MBT for the United States marines since they lost all their tanks. Then they can give America a leopard 2 below the M1A1 HC.
If we use captured vehicles. The US could have an entire top tier line up of modern Russian jets and MBT's.
Bro thought he was the chef when cooked, he is now the janitor
I just had a 5 kill game plus an assist but only got 38k SL that would have been lile 120k SL four years ago...
review bombing is good when warrented
you mention that it would do damage
but the long term effects of the unwanted updates would have been more damaging than the short term review bombing
To put it bluntly: player dissatisfaction was a real thing, "player union" was a Reddit thing.
The point is that the boycott was more successful than not. Gaijin simply got too greedy and now they had to intruduce new things to satisfy players. I am more than happy with the current state of the game compared to prior to the boycott, which of course wasn't something that changed literally everything, but I'm glad with how it turned out overall.
Also, there is a visible dip in the player steam charts, which I'm sure also meant something to Gaijin, so I think only Leddit failed, but the dissatisfied players did win something in the end.
For the most part the actual dedication to the boycott was a joke like you said. However, it did cause a lot of positive changes. The repair cost change is the biggest deal of it all since I had actually stopped playing the game prior to the boycott for that reason. 8k SL repair for the IS-2 was very nuts compared to how much a kill gave you. (Yes, it was partially a skill issue, but I was new.) Afterwards the Skill Bonus they added is a great help and has allowed me to speed though the first half of the American Tech Tree. Now I think the Economy (RP and SL) is in a great place.
At this point I just wished they would work on improving the issues of volumetrics, general balancing, and round damage consistency. On top of that, they need to find ways to better counter spawn camping. I remember a fellow WT CC (Dollar) recommending an area where you could click anywhere in that area to spawn. Which would make pinning down spawns harder.
For the overwhelming parts of the game, a simple introduction/tutorial should pop up when you buy a vehicle with radar or any fancy mechanics.
Lastly, the average player wouldn't care about anything I just wrote. All they care about is that the game is still fun to play. For those of us who do care and wish for a better experience, Gaijin hosts polls on the forums and conducts surveys. The forums are a great place to suggest ideas as well.
Side note: Everything above the Read More is more related to the video. Also, big sad tarkov has chosen this path. First the cheaters, now this.
I have been debating on making a video about spawn killing. I really don’t think there is a solution for it. You can put every protection in the game and I will just camp the exit of the spawn. The way they have tried to counter spawn trapping is creating like 1-3 areas where enemies can leave all I have to do is wait right outside and I get total control even though I am not currently in the spawn. Some games are just lost and it better to move on to the next one.
@@DawgIVLifeFacts, spawns will forever be an issue in WT so there's no reason to try and come up with fixes.
No one can rebel against a gaijin. We should be grateful to Gaijin for making War Thunder.
Gaijin is just sad they didn't get away with it, they'll only listen when their money whales won't buy their stuff which hurts their greedy company
thanks, i feel old now.
Iirc the economy changes that sparked the whole thing is tomorrow on the 4th of may. But year time does fly these days.
May the 4th be with you
Gaijin won’t give the Abrams its DU armor because they don’t have the info on it so they say it’s not historical but gives the T-80 thermals even though they never had them historically. Yeah I quit this game a long time ago.
Didn’t changed much tbh but since then I haven’t gone negative on my SL earnings
There are two possible outcomes if we stop giving them money :
1. Gaijin will improve the game
2. Gaijin will sell this game to other game companies like Petroglyph (The makers of Command and Conquer Generals) or Bethesda Softworks.
Funny you say that because gaijin seems to be wanting to become a publisher like those companies they just published another game called age of water.
So what you mean is that most of the ppl watching your videos are hardcore/ tryhard warthunder player 😅? (I mean, it's my case but eh)
I honestly should’ve never picked up this game. I should’ve stuck to WoW which also has similar problems. I just wish I could find a game that doesn’t require a huge amount of money just to play the full game and isn’t a pay to progress game like WT is.
It hasn't been a year since that...has it?
250 for unheard is crazy
Specially when they said you would get all DLC with EOD.
I hope warthunder never goes down this path because it would be very profitable to sell more map bans, paid to win modules etc. They tried once in the past but luckily it got shut down fast.
They fucked all us EOD users majorly up. Stabbed us in the back
@DawgIVLife honestly if they sold map bans for GE I wouldn’t mind it, it’s more of a convenience thing in my opinion.
Devs gotta fund their invasion of Ukraine somehow
@@saltzkruber732 the devs are not the Russian army, just because they are Russian does not mean they support the terrible leadership.
You call the boicot a joke but it worked
The boycott it self was a failure. Like they became confused on what to do when the roadmap came out.
@@DawgIVLife the Union guys maybe, but the event itself and the reviews worked, Gaijin wouldn't do anything positive if they didn't fear the game was in danger of dying, also bad press, that's the reason why protest are in the middle of the street and not in a Park where you don't anoy anyone
@@DawgIVLifeit was not a failure? The roadmap was what people wanted. Gaijin has never once, in fact outright denied the use of Roadmaps years ago. (To justify last minute decisions)
It did work. The entire situation was a boycott/review bomb. It got their attention and thats the point. The roadmap came out and everyone found that as evidence for them actually *caring* and planning out what was essentially a game in content freefall.
The discord server was really just a public server and nothing more. Thats not really representative of the actual effect the community had.
People say and agree with the “vote for your wallet” but then coward out of it when they realize it’s not what you thought it would look like.
Review bombs get the attention spammed negative reviews or not. Not spending money shows a company that you are serious.
Gaijin destroying the quality of the game for the sake of their marketing teams schemes is something thats pretty obvious. Look how top tier premiums have destroyed top tier lobbies because of the easy access. As well as the tweaks to the earnings and rank earnings of lower tier premiums over time.
review bombing is good bc it shows that they can’t just ignore their current player base to fill in with new players
This is what we should call "The First Gamer War" or the "First Gaijin War", and we win
Bro put Nikita in his thumbnail 💀
Not a true believer I see.
Yet cas spawn costs is cheaper then ever
You’re entirely wrong about steam review bombs. It’s literally the only real way players have to voice their complaints. If they don’t review bomb, devs can easily ignore any outcry, and they would’ve enacted those insane economy changes. You spent the second half of the video saying that the union failed. I believe that shows that steam review bombs are the only real way players can get their voices actually listened to by developers.
Or you can just figure out where to voice your opinion at. What I mean by that is your random 3am Reddit post most likely will not be seen by the devs. It has to be directed into a place where it can be collected and sent in as feedback like the forums community managers or depending on the feedback could be game masters etc. It’s physically impossible for gaijin to go out and scout for every bit of feedback.
@@DawgIVLife They can easily ignore forms just as easily as reddit. Steam reviews are directly on their storepage, making them much harder to ignore as it has the chance to effect their bottom line. New players also deserve to know if a dev is changing things to screw them over.
Homie if you really want your feedback ignored leaving a random negative steam review is going to make that happen. If you throw a really good suggestion in the right place most of the time it is seen by people like Smin1080p or Tom(oxy) or others that can pass it forward.
As always feedback is feedback it can be helpful and also be pretty much worthless from a player.
@@DawgIVLife in other games sure , but it doesn't take very long looking at the gaijin forums to see that they almost never take anything people say seriously unless they happen to already agree with it. they constantly block and remove posts of stuff they don't want to hear even after the whole thing last year. if you want gaijin to make real change (especially big changes) its been proven the only real way to do it is to hurt gaijins income. its a company like any other and the only thing that matters to them is money , take that away and they will give you whatever you want to make that revenue keep flowing
@@savooge6177 so this is multi layered thing While I do understand there are some people that volunteer for positions at gaijin that 100% power trip and delete post they just don't agree with.
The recent example is that one feedback person who said its not "in the spirit of the game to use multiple booster at once".
Like that persons job is to pass along feedback or bug reports but instead they wanted to put in opinions to that feedback.
As for hurting the revenue its a very tricky thing since some people will still pay look the M1KVT or for tarkov people still where buying the Unheard of edition.
This makes a lot more sense
The point with the steam review where like real workers strikes: enforce demands, enforce the other side to hear on. All this situation started because Gaijin did not give enough attention to what the player base could sugest for changes, and then whent rampant changing everything about economy having only her own concern as company guiding the changes. The game being hurt is just... a consequence of the tension; it wellbeing depends on both interest of the players and company.
War Thunder changed for the better. Back in the day i would not even have a positive balance of sl playing the t-44-100 because very good matches are rare. Today i progress smothly through the ussr techtree, even if i am not having good results. The game is not perfect, tho. The map selection on high tier is a torture and other things.
Tbh the economy still needs a rework. Yeah it was better than what it was, but it still needs help. Like even if you play the game completely free and with no money spending at all it’s almost impossible to progress. Like people who don’t live on this game and play maybe 3hrs a day are suffering. People shouldn’t have to be forced to rely on paid progression for a free to play game. I personally am not a completely free to play player I spend money every so often on sales, battle passes, etc. but I can only imagine how they must feel.
RP and SL still needs improvements for someone who spends money on the game it should feel like your getting your moneys worth. As a premium player it’s ridiculous when a really good game comes around and drop 7-8kills in a game and only getting 13k rp in return is sad. I think if they implemented 2x RP and SL events like weekends or maybe even nation specific events to get more players to try other tech trees, plus I think this would be very good for the player base. Having more opportunities for the economy to be health will greatly boost the games performance and will make people want to play more other and feel like they are getting something in return.
Their prices are ridiculous.
The problem is that it's not enough. Gajin does not want to talk to players and when the game was boycotted, their first reaction was to insult people. This game still needs big changes, unfortunately Gaijin doesn't give a damn about most of the community... Apart from the Russians, somehow in Russia there is much more communication with the creators
Economy issues: kind of fixed
Balancing: still not good for some vehicles
Volumetric and networking: still awful
CAS in GRB: still horrible
Bushes: still horrible
Hey does your Squad have open Space? Could i join please?
End of each month I kick the inactive people so may 31st will be the next kick. I normally do it in the mornings EST time and also it fills back up in like 20mins at max
@@DawgIVLife damn that quick, any plans on opening a second Squad for left overs ? If yes let me know ^^
@@BobbyFischers I would really like to make a 2nd squadron and I know others cc already have, but when I have asked gaijin a couple of weeks ago can I make a new account to try to grind as a new player I was told its still against the rules to do that. I could always just ask someone else to run the 2nd squadron but from working with people in 5 other squadrons the management side of the squadron sometimes can be tricky.
@@DawgIVLife I see, thank you for taking time to write me :).
I wish you a great weekend.
Strv 105 has stock apfsds
I dont play in WT almoust half year. After that rage i just don't want play in game. 2weaks transfer in some months.
While i disagree with review bombing, they weren’t listening to their community and people got fed up. In my opinion, the game post-roadmap has been significantly more enjoyable, both the gameplay and the grind/quality of life. Before the economy changes I could never afford to get new vehicles and was only making 5-10k sl on a good game. I am now getting up to 20-50k on average matches. Say what you want but the backlash woke up the devs and has made the game much better.
i think i and countless others got so angry at the CEO of gaijin saying that "if the game dies noone wins" statement because no that is not how we felt at the time , the game had gotten worse and worse with every patch that i was more dreading new updates then looking foward to them cuz you never know what they might ruin next. so at that point in time we wanted 1 of 2 things to happen , either gaijin gets their fat greedy head out of their ass and make the game fun again , or we will happily burn it to the ground instead. and given how their responses were after i think even they understood that no , YOU gaijin have alot more to lose then we the players do if this game dies so keep us happy or else.
See that kinda in lies the problem is they got a marketer to talk about marketing to people who play a video game. What he said makes sense but at the same time it was not what was required to do. Yea we know how free to play games work they need a revolving door of players joining and leaving, but the problem was rewards where poor, and that was not addressed till 3 dev blog in.
11:10 Yeah cuz this doesn't exist in WoT, they literally give you a chance to grind out a tree extremly fast and cheap [i mean ingame currency], it's called "top of the tree" and it's appeary in every month. :D Somehow they are still making a metric tons of profit. :D
new boycott has started this time for helldivers 2
10:20 LMAO 💀💀
Who remembers the economy vote they did like 2 years ago?
no one?
It was like one of those votes where every option sucked.
Of course the community had to pick an increase in loss multiplier but reduction in win multiplier. (which still worked out to overall less silver)
Overall the community is a massive joke to me. Though I found it funny that the player union was even a thing to begin with.
My favorite poll was the type 62 heat fs. Type 62 was great at 5.7 but gaijin did a poll people wanted Heat FS moved to 6.7 and killed that little light tank.
Agreed, player communities never work in WT. it literally fell apart so fast.
And funny enough now same happens with helldivers from all sony shit and non fixing bugs.
WTPU 2 is active again for anyone interested in coming back to our community. That said I think dawg missed the point on this unfortunately, I just feel there’s no way I can agree with him in the review bombing as this game has taken peoples time and money and it’s a large investment for people so when the devs are being rotten and they aren’t listening there’s something that has to be done. Well dawg I just don’t know if he understands
The only thing that has not been met from the 2023 road map is increased rp for other nations once you reach top tier etc. what would be the point now?
ngl i didnt give a single fuck about the sl changes for wt and i been playing for years
I’ve currently spent over $3000 on war thunder, all you free to play players, you are welcome for keeping the game alive
That $3000 was not for us, it was for yourself.
Honestly that is quite sad, especially given the money hasn't really improved the game, but only encouraged the over priced pack premiums, etc
One year later, back to what you was doing and the game is still shit.
10:17 also use of AI images for in game profile pictures, now even those are soulless now on, which sucks a lot, some are locked behind egregious grindfests and they are not even that good or worth using, they are full of errors that they sloppily handle, but at least they fix it sometimes
but the reviews were bad for a reason. If somebody new to war thunder would see it on steam and see all the negative reviews they wouldn't play it and that's a good thing. Because at the time war thunder was awful game because of horrible developers who didn't care about the community
Gaijij. Still doesnt respcet playerbase lol
Companies don’t have feelings, fuck gaijin and their awful practices.
Mate, I agree with you. Unfortunately, your advice and opinions have fallen on deaf ears. Have you ever seen the level of incompetence displayed by the average war thunder player? Have you seen how much the war thunder reddit is full of complaints? Most players are not good. Most players go 1/3, 1/4, 0/3 in games. Most players don't even use the map or apply any sort of strategy while playing- I've literally today seen a guy rush a cap point and j out right after capping it to spawn a FIGHTER. A BOMBLESS FIGHTER, in the first minute of the game. He flew aimlessly for 7 minutes before actually doing anything useful. You have people spawning 3-4 planes while having no cap points and being pushed into their spawn.
They will never learn. It's barely a skill issue, it's an IQ issue. They certainly have never played a game that posess a truly horrid matchmaking/progression system such as League of Legends for example. War thunder is amazing by comparison, you get points even when losing, and you are compensated for your efforts and you are not held back by your team as much as other PvP, team-based F2P games.
The changes are amazing, I unlock vehicles easily, silver lions are abundant. I was doing great even before buying premium, I am now doing amazing. For those of us that work, we buy premium to compensate having less time, while most of these kids should have lots of time to grind stuff. You people are playing for free, please understand your time is your currency, if you can't spend dollars.
Anyways, good video.
The players did gaijin a favor with the review bombing
Tarkov and Enlisted are excellent examples of games being undermined by greed
The bombing stopped gaijin from going that all out self destructive path for the moment and more "damage" like that will be necessary for the health of the game I'm the future
In a world where greed didn't control Gaijin, "damage" like that wouldn't be necessary but that world doesn't exist so we'll ill have to tell the snail to shove it every now and then
I don't understand how u can't see that even though u bring up tarkov...
The reason I see the tarkov problem is that EOD edition of the game clearly stated you will get all DLCs. Nikita decided to call PVE a feature to get around the DLC argument. In general greed is bad but in warthunder case it was just being stupid. Tarkov was actually breaking consumer laws.
But on a side note it’s really sad what enlisted became.
There's no controlling the player base of such a large game
Even though gaijin hasn't implemented changes that I want ( ex: making premium time an even better value), it's still a net win bc WT can easily go down the Enlisted path and, for example, they did make premium time a slightly better value and I've been surprised by how they at least value our feedback especially through voting
When play base anger rises the next time, dumb or not, all we can do is try to direct in whatever each of us think is a positive direction and pray
As a WarThunder and Tarkov fan it's always the Russians games bro 😭🙏
so dont complain it will kill the game??? eat shit or it die??? well a bad game should die. a company with bad value should not get promoted.. if war thunder moves towards a bad place it should die. should we eat shit because shit is the only thing on the menu ?? I understand you like the base off a game and think if they do better maybe my game will not die. But if they dont move in a good way if the game loses more and more off what you like about the game. Should you support it just because it has potential to be good ???? No you find ways to at list try do force it to go away from its bad practice, let them know they are killing the game by what they are doing. And if the dont listen sry but then it dont mater if the game die´s today or tomorrow because it is gone do just that.
These p2w bushes on tanks are so funny 😅 are they expensive?
Nice try Gaijin employee
How you know
Nothing changed the boycott did not even work. When the War Thunder Player Union staff organizes a boycott to not be on the game on a certain day and they are ALL on the game on the day of the boycott then it just shows that there was never any serious intent. The community in my opinion are in a state of Stockholm syndrome and an abusive relationship they will literally take any form of abuse from Gaijin and any horrible change and just accept it and continue playing. We all know if there was a better game we would all quit War Thunder but don't expect the game to ever change for the better when every update makes the game significantly worse.
Review Bombing actual don't hurt the game bring more ppl in to it Bad Advertisement on unique game is good advertisement so Review delay only the chances they try to implement Bigger maps more ppl in battles was one of idiotic point so ppl don't perform well in the game example Jets now you need to have Flees eyes and Octopus hands to menage not to mention Tanks the rewards are so pure that are laughable at best the only game I know punish and frustrate for playing it so Gaijin do the chances any way is Disgusting for game like that is unique being constantly destroyed be management , ppl don't quit because money - time spend in the game but common every think have braking point 80$ for premium vehicle making older premium vehicles useless because of decreasing BRs on purpose not for balance putting Vidar at 8.0 increasing Obj 120 and Avre to 8 chances that are just idiotic have Chinese premium at 8.0 with Laser Rangefinder and better Sabot that leo 1 they do what they feels good for them not for balance they put smoke in players eyes with Event - battle pass-and casually some special event 0 consideration to make the game more enjoyable and playable BR chances are idiotic huge gaps in Tech 0 actually realism how you can play 6.0 M-109 from 1965 with is upgraded in game vs panthers and Tigers just lmao how Centiurion 5/1 at 7.7 don't have Royal Ordinance 105 gun and use 20 pounder just pure stupidity +1/-1 BR games 90% i play I'm in the bottom how the heck is this possible from 150k they claim player base they ban at least 70k accounts and still 150k with not only Bots but blankly Cheaters actually moste ppl know what happens with merging servers from other side of the world , Server issues lagging FPS dropping disappearing enemy tanks ghost shells and so on Game Suck hard right now and they blantly lie every time Scummy behavior , Test servers what Test they do Advertisement for You Tubers they implement broken BS and start messing in actual server just pure bs seriously they should call Advertisement Server not a Test.
Russian bias
WT, still dogshit ?