You know, I am an immigrant, the legal kind. When I first watched this series, I believed that THIS is the American ideal, or at least what Americans were striving for. Turns out Trump is what Americans were striving for.
@ seven of 13 Americans voted for Trump, six of 13 American voters chose Harris. Those ideals are still with us, even among some Trump voters who were just one over by Trump‘s brand of masculinity and charisma - these are people who don’t really follow politics and they were just going on “vibes“. If you look at the long arc of American history, you can see that it’s very likely that real patriotism will return to power. I hope it’s soon.
Thanks for letting us know and a shout out to Will Lyman. He has a great voice and have watched Frontline often. Must be nice to know that some really good actors were included in this show, including him.
I would love an easter egg like this in the MCU. Turns out that "Coulson" is pseudonym he got at SHIELD. He was born "Casper", and somewhere in the multiverse, he went into a less interesting career as an FBI agent instead of SHIELD.
Always loved the PBS/Frontline moments of The West Wing! For those who understand, words are not needed....for those who do not understand, words won't help! 👋
the narrator sounds like the same one on the old dave chappell sketch where he is blind and is a member of the kkk (the same sketch that apparently made charlie sheen laugh so much, he developed a hernia!) 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Any lawyer will tell you that have to control the narrative and the best way to do that is for you to release information first. Once someone else does it then they have control.
Wait There's an event that's not for public consumption but the documentary staff is well aware in real time but of course won't leak anything...Got It! 😂
It's about access. It's mentioned that the crew with CJ signed a waiver. Sure, they could break their agreement and leak the story an hour or two before anyone else. And then, once the story dies down, they'd find themselves and possibly even their network blackballed by politicians/government officials going forward.
The documentary staff will know it, but nothing will be revealed until the documentary is put on TV. Of course, if it was an incoming nuclear missile or asteroid, they wouldn’t be allowed in the room, lest it be leaked, but this seems safe enough. I don’t remember this episode, so I cannot say if it WILL be safe enough, given the script.
Shaw Island....lol. As a long time resident of the San Juan Islands, i can say they chose the wrong island. It should have been Waldron Island. That would have been more believable.
When you don't understand the thumbnail, and then you realize it's because it's from one of the episodes you absolutely positively every single freaking time skip because it was so crappy. Once in a blue moon, I will torture myself with this episode because Wilson Cruz was in it and I owe that to him. Otherwise, hell no.
The Heisenberg Principle and The Observer Effect are 2 different things. HP (basically) is knowing position or speed of a particle, but not both, and the OE is watching changes. This (Access) is just 1 of so many examples, from the Pilot episode on, (It's the 5th commandment Toby) that the WW got facts wrong.
I know it was meant to be written as such for dramatic effect/value, and that it's just a TV show, but this incident on (the fictitious) Shaw Island was a total 💩 show. CJ knew the press was going to get wind of that!!! I understand the press was in the COS' office with cameras, but CJ really should have kicked them out so she could set the FBI director straight, privately. That jackass was incredibly clueless. 💩😡🤦♂️🙄🤷♂️😑👀
Yeah, so Trump respects women!!! Kind of like when he let that black guy lick his boots for year hoping to be named VP, but then that misogynist hillbilly was named instead. Trump thinks women are servants/slaves depending on if they're paid or not and Vance just straight up hates them. So, yay, agin for this huge step forward.
@@zbetzdoubt it, it’s described in synopsis as a day in the life documentary of the press secretary. Hence why they interact with her, I guess for the crew to get context of the activities.
@ianboyle1026 i have and enjoy it to some extent but hate how unrealistic they make her job in the show. The job of the press secretary is to lie to press and the people, that is all. CYA job so the president has to deal with the press less. There has never been an honest press secretary. and I am not all negative on the show. Alan a Alda was amazing as vinick.
@@vdoggydogg3922 I'm afraid that statements like "The job of the press secretary is to lie to press and the people, that is all. ... There has never been an honest press secretary" are so unrealistic, so absolute, and reveal such uncompromising bias against *every* White House administration of whatever political stripe, there's no point even engaging with them. So I'll just leave it to you to believe what you like.
@@vdoggydogg3922It depends very much which Administration you're referring to. While Holding back information is pretty common for White House Press Secretary, spreading outright lies on a daily basis was new during the First Trump term and never seen before or (as of now) after.
Except that the act of observing something changing it is not the Heisenberg Principle. It is the Hawthorne Effect. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect
i miss the West Wing so much, there was so much hope in this series
There was some idealistic hope, now there’s a cynical dope.
You know, I am an immigrant, the legal kind. When I first watched this series, I believed that THIS is the American ideal, or at least what Americans were striving for.
Turns out Trump is what Americans were striving for.
@ seven of 13 Americans voted for Trump, six of 13 American voters chose Harris. Those ideals are still with us, even among some Trump voters who were just one over by Trump‘s brand of masculinity and charisma - these are people who don’t really follow politics and they were just going on “vibes“. If you look at the long arc of American history, you can see that it’s very likely that real patriotism will return to power. I hope it’s soon.
WW offered “hope” for an effective large government. Reality offers more hope for more effective smaller government.
@ your “reality” is temporary, things change, the pendulum moves. Selfish transactional narcissistic grifter cult leaders don’t last forever.
The way they lit the stages for this episode makes it look more natural, more realistic than the dark hallways and offices the regular episodes did.
The narration at the very end is Will Lyman, who has been the narrator of PBS Frontline since the mid-1980s. Unmistakable voice!
Thanks for letting us know and a shout out to Will Lyman. He has a great voice and have watched Frontline often. Must be nice to know that some really good actors were included in this show, including him.
No the character's first name is Josh.
He is also the narration for the “Most Interesting Man in the World”
I too miss this series, I’d watch every DVD again and again!
I think this is possibly the best episode for authenticity. A difficult storyline to pull off, expertly done.
Agent Casper. I mean Agent Coulson. Agent Casper.
I would love an easter egg like this in the MCU. Turns out that "Coulson" is pseudonym he got at SHIELD. He was born "Casper", and somewhere in the multiverse, he went into a less interesting career as an FBI agent instead of SHIELD.
Phil will make it right.
Always loved the PBS/Frontline moments of The West Wing! For those who understand, words are not needed....for those who do not understand, words won't help! 👋
the narrator sounds like the same one on the old dave chappell sketch where he is blind and is a member of the kkk (the same sketch that apparently made charlie sheen laugh so much, he developed a hernia!) 🤣🤣🤣🤣
2:28 Dr. Culber!
Any lawyer will tell you that have to control the narrative and the best way to do that is for you to release information first. Once someone else does it then they have control.
Wait There's an event that's not for public consumption but the documentary staff is well aware in real time but of course won't leak anything...Got It! 😂
It's about access. It's mentioned that the crew with CJ signed a waiver. Sure, they could break their agreement and leak the story an hour or two before anyone else. And then, once the story dies down, they'd find themselves and possibly even their network blackballed by politicians/government officials going forward.
The documentary staff will know it, but nothing will be revealed until the documentary is put on TV. Of course, if it was an incoming nuclear missile or asteroid, they wouldn’t be allowed in the room, lest it be leaked, but this seems safe enough. I don’t remember this episode, so I cannot say if it WILL be safe enough, given the script.
Shaw Island....lol. As a long time resident of the San Juan Islands, i can say they chose the wrong island. It should have been Waldron Island. That would have been more believable.
When you don't understand the thumbnail, and then you realize it's because it's from one of the episodes you absolutely positively every single freaking time skip because it was so crappy. Once in a blue moon, I will torture myself with this episode because Wilson Cruz was in it and I owe that to him. Otherwise, hell no.
One of the best episode in the whole serie. In the top five I’d say. Long live TWW
best episode in the series for me, the break from the drama pov to a documentary was genius. same with the santos v vinnick debate in the final season
The Heisenberg Principle and The Observer Effect are 2 different things. HP (basically) is knowing position or speed of a particle, but not both, and the OE is watching changes. This (Access) is just 1 of so many examples, from the Pilot episode on, (It's the 5th commandment Toby) that the WW got facts wrong.
the commadmants are different based on sect of christianity and stuff
@@CT_Taylor No... Toby's Jewish and it's the 5th commandment.
@@CT_Taylor And just FYI... Only Lutheranism and Catholicism don't have it 5th, but it's their 4th... no one has it 3rd.
The episode before this, The Supremes is my favourite ever episode. But this one is down there towards the worst.
I don’t remember this episode
I know it was meant to be written as such for dramatic effect/value, and that it's just a TV show, but this incident on (the fictitious) Shaw Island was a total 💩 show. CJ knew the press was going to get wind of that!!! I understand the press was in the COS' office with cameras, but CJ really should have kicked them out so she could set the FBI director straight, privately. That jackass was incredibly clueless. 💩😡🤦♂️🙄🤷♂️😑👀
there really is a Shaw Island in the San Juans, what is fictitious is how quickly one might be able to reach it by ferry, these days
I've come here to escape
the election news😢
Project 2025 time!! Those lazy fed workers better pack up there stuff!!
First female chief of staff on this show, comes to fruition in 2024!!
Yeah, so Trump respects women!!! Kind of like when he let that black guy lick his boots for year hoping to be named VP, but then that misogynist hillbilly was named instead. Trump thinks women are servants/slaves depending on if they're paid or not and Vance just straight up hates them. So, yay, agin for this huge step forward.
I've never seen this episode, it's like a spoof of The Office xD
This was a year before The Office.
@@thermoplastaUS or UK?
@@zbetz us
@@JPF941 then it could have been inspired by the office.
@@zbetzdoubt it, it’s described in synopsis as a day in the life documentary of the press secretary. Hence why they interact with her, I guess for the crew to get context of the activities.
honestly inform? seriously!!!??
Why the incredulity? Have you not seen the series?
@ianboyle1026 i have and enjoy it to some extent but hate how unrealistic they make her job in the show. The job of the press secretary is to lie to press and the people, that is all. CYA job so the president has to deal with the press less. There has never been an honest press secretary.
and I am not all negative on the show. Alan a
Alda was amazing as vinick.
This episode was so bad and so irksome...
@@vdoggydogg3922 I'm afraid that statements like "The job of the press secretary is to lie to press and the people, that is all. ... There has never been an honest press secretary" are so unrealistic, so absolute, and reveal such uncompromising bias against *every* White House administration of whatever political stripe, there's no point even engaging with them. So I'll just leave it to you to believe what you like.
@@vdoggydogg3922It depends very much which Administration you're referring to. While Holding back information is pretty common for White House Press Secretary, spreading outright lies on a daily basis was new during the First Trump term and never seen before or (as of now) after.
Except that the act of observing something changing it is not the Heisenberg Principle. It is the Hawthorne Effect.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawthorne_effect