I think it's true. Leo Galante probably wants them to never ever meet each other again because they might kill everyone again, but didn't want to kill them because they're way too useful and strong. I mean, two guys killed half of Chinese mafia, Carlo Falcone and his members and blew up and killed Clemente's mafia and Clemente himself.
So Mafia 2 ended in the early 50's and Mafia 3 takes place in 1968. Remember that mission where Vito saved Leo's life Leo said he couldn't believe that Vito would save an old man just to buy him a few more years. He meets Lincoln a little shy of two decades in Mafia 3. I think Vito saved you a little more than just a few years Leo.
@@FunkafiedBandit I think a mobster can afford a barber shop. When identifying people You should rather use their more permanent features, like Joe's scar which is present here.
@@napalmman8292 Yeah, although if they do a 'Rockstar Games' route in where you can choose to kill or let live a character then in the next game they're considered dead. So thinking about it now if we do get a Mafia 4 then there is a chance that Vito could not be in that game.
I’ve been thinking of a way they could make a Mafia 4 game and have it make sense. Step 1: Make the ending where Vito gets the city Lincoln leaves cannon Step 2: Kill off Leo. I know this may sound harsh but it’s perfect just hear me out. There’s plenty of evidence proving that Joe is Leo’s Driver. So if you kill off Leo no doubt Joe will be there at the funeral. Joe and Vito could meet at the funeral. Step 3: Have Vito and Joe go after the man who killed Leo and BOOM, you got yourself a good plot. Step 4: Make Mafia 4.
Thats why theyre not together because they caused a war in the last game leo made a deal with joe to serve him and never see vito again but leo made a murder that made it seem like joe was dead but wasnt so they could never stirr up a shit storm again with the chinese irish or greasers
I think the reason Leo separated Vito and Joe is because they're too dangerous toegether as they singlehandedly started a war between the Chinese, Vinci and Falcone. Also they managed to kill Falcone. Same as Lincoln taking down Marcano and Leo warning him to stop it all here. Joe and Vito both thinking the other one is dead means there won't be any risk or problems to the Commission.
Vito and Joe are too strong together and too powerful on their own to be wasted, so yeah, separating them was probably the best outcome for the mafia. They can still be useful to them.
Probably tbh. Vito alone swept through Falcone’s entire compound, and then the duo took on Falcone’s personnel detail and murdered the cold bastard without breaking a sweat. Its a sad thing, but the two of them together are a fucking power couple. Deadly as fuck tbh.
Yeah Leo G. was 64. I think most of us remember him looking the same in Mafia 2. But while he looked old in that game, he definitely looks older in this one.
Leo is a smart man. He knew Vito and Joe would seek revenge on a unimaginable level if they knew that they were both alive; especially with Lincoln’s help. Leo kept both of them alive since they ultimately did help the mob with the Triad problems and Falcone. I can imagine Leo telling Joe that Vito “wasn’t a part of the deal” and came up with that story of Joe being beat to death in Chicago to tie up loose ends.
No that wouldn’t make sense joe is alive joe was never killed in Chicago due to the fact he did a hit for the Saleri family from mafia 1 they was separated and Lincoln is joe son but 1 thing about Vito he’s a angry dumb ass and he will get what he wants should’ve been knew that Henry was a fed and that his boss that Vito killed snitched on him to the feds this all facts
@@geezushasrisenyou know what I think that story about Chicago is actually eddie scarpa last underboss of Falcone , Eddie was born there makes sense for him to flee there and vito got tricked think that is Joe and also the other way around joe thinks that guy in Chicago was vito if Leo came up with that same story oh shit Leo is a freaking genius hangar 13 made right choice in Leo’s character he had all this planed out, so many questions and possibilities I honestly can’t hate Leo for that respect for all this big plan, and prob after 17 years Joe is also loyal to Leo but I don’t know cuz they took his best friend but we never know!
Well with the chin scar, similar build, looking to be around the age of Vito, character models name being "Joe", the developers stating in tweets something along the lines of "Notice anyone familiar in Leo's group?", and the look at the camera at the end it's hard to say that the driver isn't joe. Any evidence to disprove these are encouraged.
Yeah, I personally find this model to look absolutely nothing like Joe, but there are too many specific details, like the ones you mentioned, plus the developers pretty much admitted it in another tweet, so it turned out that this actually is Joe
Joe is definitely dead, I'm like 99% certain of that, how would leo benefit from keeping joe alive a secret from Vito? Plus we all know what joes like, even if he was forced to keep it a secret eventually he would have atleast contacted Vito through letter to tell him he's okay. Even Vito thinks he's dead, the driver has to be either pepe or just some randomer
Leo is smart enough to realize that Joe and Vito together can achieve exactly anything they want after they succesfully killed Carlo Falcone. He's not stupid to let any possiblity of a takeover now that he's basically leading the game but he's an honest, true to his word kind of man especially after Vito has earned his respect so he split them up.
Why else would the camera be focused on the driver and have the driver look at the camera. That has to be joe because they could’ve just showed Leo get in the car and change the screen but it focused on the driver which obviously states that Joe is still alive.
@@kylekondit9709 that may be true but in storytelling, especially deeply written stories like mafia, writers usually always do something for a reason. Whether it be foreshadowing or something else, the game took the time at the end of the game in a serious scene to make you lock eyes with the driver of the car, someone you never seen in the game before.
It's not Pepe because yes he was the driver in mafia 2 but if this is 17 years from the second game to the third. Wouldnt pepe have been promoted instead of being a driver for so long
I really liked how the Commission and Leo were really chill with Lincoln. Told him his attacks are over, gives him a chance to run everything, and even let’s him walk away clean with no repercussions if he chooses to.
Bittersweet that Joe knows Vito lives because of Leo's connections, but Vito flipped over every racket and every pocket he could lay his hands, and exacted revenge on the Marcanos for their involvement in his best friend's death, and never ever know Joe still lives. At least he gives out the best ending among the three underbosses.
He hasn't had a motive to do that thought because to Lincoln Joe was just a driver to Leo and that was that. But still was nice if Lincoln would ask Joe's Name and would respond with something clever or just Joe.
Vito is my fav but ngl man Lincoln is a beast dude took down entire mafia bases all by himself. Came from humble beginings and wasnt only physically great but capable enough to handle being the boss of the land. Respect to the guy.
Aside from the fact that the driver bears a striking physical resemblance to Joe Barabaro, this is why I think that is indeed him: Back in 1951, Vito and Joe killed Zhe Yun Wong and wiped out a huge chunk of the Empire Bay Triads operations in retribution for the death of Henry. Wong claimed that Henry was a Federal Informant and that’s why he called for the hit, but this did not save him. Even if he lived, the immense damage was already done. Fast forward two days later. Leo tells Vito how badly he fucked up. Leo introduces him to Mr. Chu, the Dai Lo of the Empire Bay Triads. Leo tells Vito to make this right, he has to kill Carlo Falcone. Joe defects from Falcone and helps his friend kill him. In the end, the two are put into two separate cars. Joe’s car pulls off to somewhere in Hillwood, while Vito’s car continues down the hill to the cathouse. The story in Vito’s eyes is that Joe was sacrificed to save him from the wrath of the Triads. He was exiled from Empire Bay for what he did, but because he took care of the Falcone problem and his last favors from Leo, he was given a new start in a new city a thousand miles away. Vito put out some lines to find out if Joe lived. Vito hears how Joe escaped from his captors to Chicago, where he was then killed by five guys. Seems cut and dry right? Well I noticed something on my last playthrough of Mafia II. When Vito is in the car with Leo and Mr.Chu, Leo makes absolutely no mention of Joe’s involvement in the Red Dragon raid. Only Vito’s. Leo could’ve only let that bit of information out to Mr. Chu and the Triads. It seems not only possible, but likely that Leo could’ve told Joe the opposite of what Vito knew, that Vito was killed to sate the Triad’s anger. Vito is no longer in town, so Leo could fake Vito’s death to the Triads, saying he was killed while taking care of Falcone. He could also fake it to Joe, because Vito is exiled and seemingly killed and disposed of before Joe knows what is happening. Leo wouldn’t have to worry about the Triads wanting Joe dead, because Leo could’ve lied and said either he wasn’t involved, or he was killed in the final assault against Falcone. The was not shortage of bodies to use for that. To sum up why he would do that, Vito is now a thousand miles away, out of the picture in Empire Bay taking care of business elsewhere, the Triads are (mostly) off of the commission’s back, and Leo in the end keeps two good earners and Made Men. Then just keep them separate to prevent another Red Dragon. That would definitely be the best of what he could make of a shitty situation like that. Leo certainly has the resources and know-how to make it happen, so I am sure he could do it. But what about the Four guys that Vito sends Lincoln to kill in revenge of Joe’s death? Vito’s contacts could’ve let it slip to Leo that Vito was looking for Joe, so Leo could’ve made a false story so he could have five guys that were likely bad for business whacked, and further convince Vito that Joe is dead. Hell, one of them had the nickname “The Molester” and the Mafia isn’t too keen on sex crimes like that.
Dewrdman except Vito is running a part of a city with his own Gus underneath him. So Joe would’ve known about Vito. Especially if he wants to see if he was still alive. It’s stupid that they brought Joe back and makes the players feel almost childish.
pepe? pepe was literally big and tall & straight and not fat you little shits so its obvious he is alive and wear that hat, only him can wear that~ you do know what joe can do and capable off~
If you look at the development for mafia 3, thats how the original guy wrote it to be, but they ignored him, and so he left, and yeah mafia 3 was gonna be a contiune of vitos story
100 hundred percent it is him. why would the dev giving a random mafia boss driver an unique camera scene at the end of the video if its not to tell player that said driver was Joe
What is amazing is how Leo literally worked hard to protect Vito, Joe, and Lincoln from the Commission and other gangs. 1. I think it is unfair for Vito to hate Leo because Leo made the hardest choices to help keep Vito alive and have enough power within the mafia. 2. It is likely Leo promised Joe that he can reunite with Vito until a certain point in time and based on Joe being Leo's driver shows trust between the two.
Yeah, but you would have almost the same hatred for someone that protected you basically gave up your best friend and thought he was dead for years But Vito getting fucked over a couple times in the second game probably added onto his hatred
@@masterjustin2246Yeah it didn't really help that Leo led Vito to believe that Joe had been executed by telling Him that Joe wasn't part of the deal that He made with Vinci, the rest of the Commission and the Chinese Organization to give Vito a second chance under the condition that He assassinate Carlo Falcone
If anyone doubts that it's Joe, the only thing I can say is that I don't think they'd have taken the time to obscure is face, and then focus on it at the end of the scene. They wanted you to see that its Joe, they know anyone who's spent a good amount of time around the series in general would recognise him.
I think Hanger 13 even confirmed it’s Joe on their Twitter account. Someone said something about being bummed out that Joe wasn’t in Mafia III and Hanger 13 replied to their Tweet saying something like, “Did you watch the ending?” So not a direct confirmation but not exactly ambiguous either.
Also his face features, bulky body and that flatcap - that type of cap is something only a few people wear and they wear it as if religiously. If they didn't want players to think it's Joe, they would've avoided making a model that looks just like Joe.
juan ortega a user did a direct head model comparison of this guy to Mafia 2 Joe and the results are stunningly obvious. This scene has bad lighting and the hat is obscuring, but the comparison clearly shows they’re the one and the same
A great franchise and the story, all those awesome characters, wasted. all because of shitty buggy repeating gameplay. at least cutscenes were well made.
@Youre Gonna Need a Bigger Boat Mafia 2 had its story cut short because of some decision made by 2K. When Mafia was being developed solely by the Czech studio, it was supposed to have something around 23 chapters...when 2K joined the development process, 8 chapters were cut from the final version of the game, because they liked it better.
It's good to see that Leo is still alive, but I don't believe that Joe would downgrade himself from being a Mafioso to Leo's personal driver no way in hell lol
He’s probably more than just a driver. It’s a sign of high trust to be alone with the boss driving him around multiple hours a day, plus whatever he does when he’s not driving
According to the wiki page Leo galante was born in 1887. By 1951 he was 64 years old. Mafia 3 takes place in 1968 which is 17 years later. Leo is 81 years old, god damn.
The more I think about it, I think Leo actually made Joe an offer. He'll keep Joe alive and under his protection (from the Tongs/Chinese triads), so long as he never makes contact with Vito for as long as either of them live, and also on the condition that Joe serve as Leo's personal body guard and driver. This makes sense for at least a couple reasons. 1) Joe killed his own former boss (Carlo), so he needs new 'employment'. 2) Leo knows he can use the situation to his own advantage. And if either Joe breaks this 'deal' and if Vito ultimately finds out about it and decides to go after Leo, well....... Leo still holds more winning cards than Vito. He can simply give Joe up to the Tongs, have him ambushed by his other loyal associates, or use his own influence with the Commission to go after Vito (after killing Joe first, of course...... effectively eliminating any way for Joe to warn Vito).
He’s old now and Mafia 3 was a great game but Imo 2 was far superior. 2 just had that dope ass legit Mafia feel to it, and idk 3 was good but the story of Mafia 2 was spectacular.
@@Kaminari_Akuma you’re wrong. Pepe didn’t have the same scar on his chin like Joe did…the same scar this character has. Look up a comparison or a side by side video and come back and tell that isn’t Joe….if you truly believe that you’re delusional. Why would they zoom in on Pepe’s face looking at Lincoln as well? Pepe wasn’t an important enough character either….there’s literally nothing supporting the fact that this is Pepe,
This theory doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Leo pull strings to have Joe spared and then hide it from Vito? And why would Vito be exiled if Joe was brought in to work for Vinci? It's clear that the triads wanted someone to answer for killing their guys unprovoked. Leo only helped Vito because of their personal connection and because Vito saved his life, and he likely had to use all of his influence. Plus Joe was more at fault for the shootout at the restaurant because he acted on impulse and needlessly attacked.
Leo saw how an unstoppable duo Joe and Vito were Leo wanted to seperate them he saw how much of a hazard they were together he knew that they would claw, fight and shoot all the way to the top and try to be the bosses of the crime syndicate
I like how Leo is actually reasonable. He understood Lincoln had a beef with Sal Marcano and ONLY with him, but he wanted the direct confirmation from Lincoln himself so that Leo could convey it further to the Comission.
Damn man Joe's Alive crazy!...sad in some ways because that was one hell of an iconic ending growing up and one that lives with me too this day but also so happy he's alive......Also I'm not just saying it's Joe because I want it to be him if you look at his Chin he has the same scar he had from Mafia 2
I remember how developers said that they decided to delete multiple endings in Mafia 2 and leave only one, in which Joe supposed to be dead, because they felt that one was the one with the strongest emotional impact on the player and any other one where he'd survive or anything like that, wouldn't be good for the narrative. Oops.
I think it’s joe for the sole reason that it wouldn’t make sense to have a whole unique character model and outfit for it to just be an unnamed mafioso
Why would this completely random driver character basically break the fourth wall by looking into the camera if the character wasn't of some significance? It is Joe, at least I think so
I knew that was Joe. Leo secretly kept him alive and separated from Vito, and made up a cover story to tell him what happened to Joe. In order to have Vito move on. The Chicago story was a lie and Joe ends up working for Leo.
This game has grown on me,hated it when I bought it (18 months ago or so) But it's less buggy now,and the story is really great,not to mention the soundtrack
My personal best ending to Mafia 3 would be Lincoln and Vito Rule the city together and team up with Vito's old friend Joe Barbaro after he leaves Leo Galante. This is how Mafia 3 would end with me. Then Mafia 4 has a whole new bunch of mobsters ! Thanks for the upload. :)
I just wanna hear joe say “they teach you that in the army” one last time.
Then play mafia 2 again
you shoot like my sister
I wanted to hear him say you’re fucking dead lol
he had some of the best lines throughout mafia 2 easily
what are you scared as hole?
Why does joe look as if he's about to sell you a spot in vault 111
monster monty kinda strange
monster monty This is not Fullout 4 but i know what You mean but This is not Joe
who is joe
Im gonna stop you right there
American Gangster Pepe dies in Jimmy’s Vendetta DLC and Pepe wears fedoras, not flat caps
I wonder if Joe was also told that "Vito wasn't part of the deal."
It would make sense. It would be like Vito's mother always told him, him an Joe being together always cause trouble lol
Yea I’m thinking they got separated for the same ‘reason’
@@Berserk_96 Yeah
I think it's true. Leo Galante probably wants them to never ever meet each other again because they might kill everyone again, but didn't want to kill them because they're way too useful and strong. I mean, two guys killed half of Chinese mafia, Carlo Falcone and his members and blew up and killed Clemente's mafia and Clemente himself.
@@0100-r6d If Mafia 4 comes out, everything will be clear I guess...
So Mafia 2 ended in the early 50's and Mafia 3 takes place in 1968. Remember that mission where Vito saved Leo's life Leo said he couldn't believe that Vito would save an old man just to buy him a few more years. He meets Lincoln a little shy of two decades in Mafia 3. I think Vito saved you a little more than just a few years Leo.
jbiehlable why does he hate him?
@@Griffhuth got Joe killed apparently
@Imanity But Vito doesn't know that Joe is alive..
@@goatifiP1 That isn't joe. Joe has curly hair this dude has straight hair
@@FunkafiedBandit I think a mobster can afford a barber shop. When identifying people You should rather use their more permanent features, like Joe's scar which is present here.
“You shoot like my sister” one of the iconic lines ! Lol i
You drive like my fuckin' grandmother!
Nicholas Hoover my sister hits harder than that!
The Notorious Nick Ghur for real 😳😂😂😂😂
“You got an aversion to red lights?”
Back me up Vito
imagine if Vito found out Joe is alive and working for Leo, this could be really interesting
Could set us up for a Mafia 4, which with Joe obviously shown only at the end here, something like that could be possible.
No vito is dead
@@napalmman8292 Yeah, although if they do a 'Rockstar Games' route in where you can choose to kill or let live a character then in the next game they're considered dead. So thinking about it now if we do get a Mafia 4 then there is a chance that Vito could not be in that game.
I mean they are also owned by the same parent company so you never know ;P
I’ve been thinking of a way they could make a Mafia 4 game and have it make sense.
Step 1: Make the ending where Vito gets the city Lincoln leaves cannon
Step 2: Kill off Leo. I know this may sound harsh but it’s perfect just hear me out. There’s plenty of evidence proving that Joe is Leo’s Driver. So if you kill off Leo no doubt Joe will be there at the funeral. Joe and Vito could meet at the funeral.
Step 3: Have Vito and Joe go after the man who killed Leo and BOOM, you got yourself a good plot.
Step 4: Make Mafia 4.
3:06 before he gets in the car, it would’ve been hilarious if “Joe” just looks at Lincoln and says: “scareddddd asshoooole??”
Or "That's the best you got"
@Ghajini 3000 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
CALi G AYYYY, CLAAY!!!
Or "I'm baaaaaack"
*You like like my sister*
Joe and Vito should reunite and go on one more rampage
that game is gonna be the odd couples
Thats why theyre not together because they caused a war in the last game leo made a deal with joe to serve him and never see vito again but leo made a murder that made it seem like joe was dead but wasnt so they could never stirr up a shit storm again with the chinese irish or greasers
@@halogenisys4897
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Joe is dead, that isn't Joe.
Emily Brunhilde it is
So Vito and Joe are the only 2 characters who appear in all 3 games.
Yes but yes
yes but yes
yes but yes
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VAS yes but yes?
I think the reason Leo separated Vito and Joe is because they're too dangerous toegether as they singlehandedly started a war between the Chinese, Vinci and Falcone. Also they managed to kill Falcone. Same as Lincoln taking down Marcano and Leo warning him to stop it all here. Joe and Vito both thinking the other one is dead means there won't be any risk or problems to the Commission.
Vito and Joe are too strong together and too powerful on their own to be wasted, so yeah, separating them was probably the best outcome for the mafia. They can still be useful to them.
Nice explanation
Leo Galante Was A Genius
Yea yeah, I agree. I know Leo wouldn't kill Vito' best friends for life
Probably tbh. Vito alone swept through Falcone’s entire compound, and then the duo took on Falcone’s personnel detail and murdered the cold bastard without breaking a sweat.
Its a sad thing, but the two of them together are a fucking power couple. Deadly as fuck tbh.
Bruh Vito and Joe look like their in there 60s meanwhile Leo ain’t changed a bit
i Roberto Leo was in his 60s, maybe late 50s in II, but he’s in his 80s
I didn’t think they looked that old early 50s at least
He takes care of himself
Yeah Leo G. was 64. I think most of us remember him looking the same in Mafia 2. But while he looked old in that game, he definitely looks older in this one.
Vito was born in 1925, so he'd only be 43
I love how joe breaks the 4th wall and looks directly at the camera before getting in the car
He doesn't even look at the camera.
When you nut in her mouth and she give you a kiss
It’s literally in the thumbnail
3:06
@@courier6960 He doesn't look at it you idiot.
@Bradley's Car Reviews cringe router
Word is that Joe is still looking for the 5 bucks Vito ows him
Wait, what 5 bucks.
@@huylam3951 last chapter of Mafia 2 play it or watch the walkthrough here in youtube
@@akaishuichifbi Oh right.
Leo is a smart man. He knew Vito and Joe would seek revenge on a unimaginable level if they knew that they were both alive; especially with Lincoln’s help. Leo kept both of them alive since they ultimately did help the mob with the Triad problems and Falcone. I can imagine Leo telling Joe that Vito “wasn’t a part of the deal” and came up with that story of Joe being beat to death in Chicago to tie up loose ends.
No that wouldn’t make sense joe is alive joe was never killed in Chicago due to the fact he did a hit for the Saleri family from mafia 1 they was separated and Lincoln is joe son but 1 thing about Vito he’s a angry dumb ass and he will get what he wants should’ve been knew that Henry was a fed and that his boss that Vito killed snitched on him to the feds this all facts
That makes sense. So Joe was allowed to stay in Empire Bay but Vito was exciled to keep them seperated.
And Vito Had kill Steve , others Vinci ' s gangsters and Derek too.
@@Meateater96969 Bingo.
@@geezushasrisenyou know what I think that story about Chicago is actually eddie scarpa last underboss of Falcone , Eddie was born there makes sense for him to flee there and vito got tricked think that is Joe and also the other way around joe thinks that guy in Chicago was vito if Leo came up with that same story oh shit Leo is a freaking genius hangar 13 made right choice in Leo’s character he had all this planed out, so many questions and possibilities I honestly can’t hate Leo for that respect for all this big plan, and prob after 17 years Joe is also loyal to Leo but I don’t know cuz they took his best friend but we never know!
Joe: Don't tell Vito I'm still alive.
Lincoln: Dafuq are you talking about
actually by this point in the game, lincoln knows about joe as in one of the mission you have to kill the person that "killed" joe
@@gamevirus01 Doesn't know that Joe looked or would look like now.
Lincoln: I didn't do the side missions yet
Well with the chin scar, similar build, looking to be around the age of Vito, character models name being "Joe", the developers stating in tweets something along the lines of "Notice anyone familiar in Leo's group?", and the look at the camera at the end it's hard to say that the driver isn't joe. Any evidence to disprove these are encouraged.
Not to mention Rockstar dropped a hint that familiar faces will show up briefly when you beat the game.
@@LordBeerusGodofDestruction Rockstar? Oh, you mean those guys who made Just Cause, right?
Then what about the body Vito mentioned.
Yeah, I personally find this model to look absolutely nothing like Joe, but there are too many specific details, like the ones you mentioned, plus the developers pretty much admitted it in another tweet, so it turned out that this actually is Joe
Hes also wearing joe's favorite hat type
Leo is a reasonable guy and he hasn’t forgot what Vito did for him so it makes sense for him to keep joe alive
Denial that's part of the grieving process, "if Joe were still alive he would have reached or contacted me in someway by now"
Joe fucked up. Just like Henry. Vito was spared because he saved Leo's life. That’s it.
Joe is definitely dead, I'm like 99% certain of that, how would leo benefit from keeping joe alive a secret from Vito?
Plus we all know what joes like, even if he was forced to keep it a secret eventually he would have atleast contacted Vito through letter to tell him he's okay. Even Vito thinks he's dead, the driver has to be either pepe or just some randomer
@@sammijohnson6603 The devs confirmed it on twitter. Also the driver's model in the game files is named Joe.
@@ivory_220 ohh lol still I don't get how them keeping how alive a secret from Vito benefits anyone?
Leo is smart enough to realize that Joe and Vito together can achieve exactly anything they want after they succesfully killed Carlo Falcone. He's not stupid to let any possiblity of a takeover now that he's basically leading the game but he's an honest, true to his word kind of man especially after Vito has earned his respect so he split them up.
You could have just said old school
Why else would the camera be focused on the driver and have the driver look at the camera. That has to be joe because they could’ve just showed Leo get in the car and change the screen but it focused on the driver which obviously states that Joe is still alive.
Well that easily could've been a stylistic choice or your just reading into it to much
@@kylekondit9709 the name of the driver's model in the game files is named "Joe" so I guess its him
@@kylekondit9709 that may be true but in storytelling, especially deeply written stories like mafia, writers usually always do something for a reason. Whether it be foreshadowing or something else, the game took the time at the end of the game in a serious scene to make you lock eyes with the driver of the car, someone you never seen in the game before.
It's not Pepe because yes he was the driver in mafia 2 but if this is 17 years from the second game to the third. Wouldnt pepe have been promoted instead of being a driver for so long
@@xxxflash1471 game files don't lie. Joe is Leo's driver. Blows my mind.
I really liked how the Commission and Leo were really chill with Lincoln. Told him his attacks are over, gives him a chance to run everything, and even let’s him walk away clean with no repercussions if he chooses to.
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2016: nope
2017: nothing
2018: you need something buddy?
2019: *JOE IS ALIVE!*
For real
Exactly
Lmao same
Fucking tell me about it!
I'm just finding out right now and I still have the game!
Bittersweet that Joe knows Vito lives because of Leo's connections, but Vito flipped over every racket and every pocket he could lay his hands, and exacted revenge on the Marcanos for their involvement in his best friend's death, and never ever know Joe still lives. At least he gives out the best ending among the three underbosses.
It’s crazy how Lincoln was looking at him the whole time and didn’t ask for his name
Lincoln didn't even know what 'Joe' looks like
@SigmaShockHD right
To lincoln he was just another enforcer or something. Just another expendable soldier to kill if things went south
He hasn't had a motive to do that thought because to Lincoln Joe was just a driver to Leo and that was that.
But still was nice if Lincoln would ask Joe's Name and would respond with something clever or just Joe.
@@w1zzard_ For gods sake it ain't Joe lol the dummies on here
It's so cool that Joe is alive. And it was even confirmed by an official tweet from Mafia game that this is indeed Joe.
Leo: Joe wasn't part of the deal.
Later: Now you'll work for me, son.
I'm so sad, I wanted to hear Joe's voice! So iconic.
I feel like we will theres a reason why the devs didnt make him talk or atleast call him a shmuck or something along the lines
what are ya scared asshooooole
I remember having genuine goosebumps when they had Joe look into the camera. Such a nice Easter egg for the people who loved Mafia 2
Vito is my fav but ngl man Lincoln is a beast dude took down entire mafia bases all by himself. Came from humble beginings and wasnt only physically great but capable enough to handle being the boss of the land. Respect to the guy.
Aside from the fact that the driver bears a striking physical resemblance to Joe Barabaro, this is why I think that is indeed him:
Back in 1951, Vito and Joe killed Zhe Yun Wong and wiped out a huge chunk of the Empire Bay Triads operations in retribution for the death of Henry. Wong claimed that Henry was a Federal Informant and that’s why he called for the hit, but this did not save him. Even if he lived, the immense damage was already done.
Fast forward two days later. Leo tells Vito how badly he fucked up. Leo introduces him to Mr. Chu, the Dai Lo of the Empire Bay Triads. Leo tells Vito to make this right, he has to kill Carlo Falcone. Joe defects from Falcone and helps his friend kill him. In the end, the two are put into two separate cars. Joe’s car pulls off to somewhere in Hillwood, while Vito’s car continues down the hill to the cathouse.
The story in Vito’s eyes is that Joe was sacrificed to save him from the wrath of the Triads. He was exiled from Empire Bay for what he did, but because he took care of the Falcone problem and his last favors from Leo, he was given a new start in a new city a thousand miles away. Vito put out some lines to find out if Joe lived. Vito hears how Joe escaped from his captors to Chicago, where he was then killed by five guys.
Seems cut and dry right? Well I noticed something on my last playthrough of Mafia II.
When Vito is in the car with Leo and Mr.Chu, Leo makes absolutely no mention of Joe’s involvement in the Red Dragon raid. Only Vito’s. Leo could’ve only let that bit of information out to Mr. Chu and the Triads. It seems not only possible, but likely that Leo could’ve told Joe the opposite of what Vito knew, that Vito was killed to sate the Triad’s anger. Vito is no longer in town, so Leo could fake Vito’s death to the Triads, saying he was killed while taking care of Falcone. He could also fake it to Joe, because Vito is exiled and seemingly killed and disposed of before Joe knows what is happening. Leo wouldn’t have to worry about the Triads wanting Joe dead, because Leo could’ve lied and said either he wasn’t involved, or he was killed in the final assault against Falcone. The was not shortage of bodies to use for that.
To sum up why he would do that, Vito is now a thousand miles away, out of the picture in Empire Bay taking care of business elsewhere, the Triads are (mostly) off of the commission’s back, and Leo in the end keeps two good earners and Made Men. Then just keep them separate to prevent another Red Dragon. That would definitely be the best of what he could make of a shitty situation like that. Leo certainly has the resources and know-how to make it happen, so I am sure he could do it.
But what about the Four guys that Vito sends Lincoln to kill in revenge of Joe’s death? Vito’s contacts could’ve let it slip to Leo that Vito was looking for Joe, so Leo could’ve made a false story so he could have five guys that were likely bad for business whacked, and further convince Vito that Joe is dead. Hell, one of them had the nickname “The Molester” and the Mafia isn’t too keen on sex crimes like that.
Nah, that dude look like the dude from the prison with Leo. Joe isn't alive. The chinese history in the Us is hard to watch/read.
Dewrdman you ended quit abrupt
Dude, it's literally Pepe..
Dewrdman except Vito is running a part of a city with his own Gus underneath him. So Joe would’ve known about Vito. Especially if he wants to see if he was still alive. It’s stupid that they brought Joe back and makes the players feel almost childish.
pepe? pepe was literally big and tall & straight and not fat you little shits so its obvious he is alive and wear that hat, only him can wear that~ you do know what joe can do and capable off~
The game was good but it wasnt a mafia game at all.
Very true..just some random thug..i want mafia 4!
It was a mafia game lmao y'all just not used to different Mobs.
@@youtubecensored1657 lol no it wasn't. It was about a guy getting revenge on the Mafia
@@cristianmunoz2480 no he's right it is a different mob game.
Trey Green you play a guy that isn't even in a mob though lol
That is joe. He has the same scar on his chin.
Yeah and his strugle to walk because his been shoot mafia2...
Not joe he had curly hair not straight and the face looks nothin like him.
@@17MrLeon Are you sure about this? The scar actually exists.
mafiagame.fandom.com/wiki/Joe_Barbaro?file=Joe_Barbaro_04.jpg The scar exists. I believe that's actually Joe.
Yuri Ribeiro it is joe yeah
The story of mafia 3 should have continued from the Mafia 2 end
Yeah mafia 3 could of done a DLC of Vito's time in New Bordeaux during the 50's-60's where you do missions for the Marcano family.
If you look at the development for mafia 3, thats how the original guy wrote it to be, but they ignored him, and so he left, and yeah mafia 3 was gonna be a contiune of vitos story
Still remember Joe singing "Return to Me" in the car in Mafia 2. Very funny lol
I feel like Vito’s been told Joe’s dead and Joe has been told Vito’s dead, making them not think to look for each other
Because they knew they would search for each other and start their own crime family
After seeing the ending of Mafia Definitive edition, it’s very much so safe to assume that this is Joe
100 hundred percent it is him. why would the dev giving a random mafia boss driver an unique camera scene at the end of the video if its not to tell player that said driver was Joe
they also changed joe's face to look just like the one from mafia 3, it's definitely joe
I'm glad Joe is alive. He was probably my favorite character in the mafia games.
Why 🙈
Mine was Paulie from Mafia 1...Joe and Vito are like 3rd for me
@@taimar687 fucking rat
"You shoot like my sister"
What is amazing is how Leo literally worked hard to protect Vito, Joe, and Lincoln from the Commission and other gangs.
1. I think it is unfair for Vito to hate Leo because Leo made the hardest choices to help keep Vito alive and have enough power within the mafia.
2. It is likely Leo promised Joe that he can reunite with Vito until a certain point in time and based on Joe being Leo's driver shows trust between the two.
Yeah, but you would have almost the same hatred for someone that protected you basically gave up your best friend and thought he was dead for years
But Vito getting fucked over a couple times in the second game probably added onto his hatred
Vito hates Leo? I assume this is mentioned in the third game, but I ob misser it.
I think Leo is fixing them up to lead the game after he steps down. With Vito taking over New Orleans and Joe running his own family in Empire Bay
@@masterjustin2246Yeah it didn't really help that Leo led Vito to believe that Joe had been executed by telling Him that Joe wasn't part of the deal that He made with Vinci, the rest of the Commission and the Chinese Organization to give Vito a second chance under the condition that He assassinate Carlo Falcone
2:56 Such a beautiful Father & Son Moment
Damn the way joe looks at him is like how he remembers marty...
He looks at him because he's joes son
@@parizer9394 no
If anyone doubts that it's Joe, the only thing I can say is that I don't think they'd have taken the time to obscure is face, and then focus on it at the end of the scene. They wanted you to see that its Joe, they know anyone who's spent a good amount of time around the series in general would recognise him.
I think Hanger 13 even confirmed it’s Joe on their Twitter account. Someone said something about being bummed out that Joe wasn’t in Mafia III and Hanger 13 replied to their Tweet saying something like, “Did you watch the ending?” So not a direct confirmation but not exactly ambiguous either.
Also his face features, bulky body and that flatcap - that type of cap is something only a few people wear and they wear it as if religiously. If they didn't want players to think it's Joe, they would've avoided making a model that looks just like Joe.
i could tell it was joe as soon as he got out the car. he got the body and the face. the nose is what gave it away lol
Yall do know the developers admitted that this is joe. Hes alive.
When?
juan ortega a user did a direct head model comparison of this guy to Mafia 2 Joe and the results are stunningly obvious. This scene has bad lighting and the hat is obscuring, but the comparison clearly shows they’re the one and the same
@@Jabba094 it's not what juan ortega asked for.
@@cosmo.762 Also, the game files for this driver literally says his name is Joe.
Leo Is still alive and kicking huh? Damn son lol
Hes 81 in Mafia 3 and in 2 was around 60 so yes
Berleezy is going to be happy
Yep1
A great franchise and the story, all those awesome characters, wasted. all because of shitty buggy repeating gameplay. at least cutscenes were well made.
Nah the gameplay was good so it's okay
@Austin King Obviously you've never bothered to fully experience Mafia 2.
Trey Green the gameplay was awful
@@treygreen8069 fr the shotguns and that m4 was live asf if you say the combat sucks you either suck or didn't see all the animations
@Youre Gonna Need a Bigger Boat Mafia 2 had its story cut short because of some decision made by 2K. When Mafia was being developed solely by the Czech studio, it was supposed to have something around 23 chapters...when 2K joined the development process, 8 chapters were cut from the final version of the game, because they liked it better.
It's good to see that Leo is still alive, but I don't believe that Joe would downgrade himself from being a Mafioso to Leo's personal driver no way in hell lol
He’s probably more than just a driver. It’s a sign of high trust to be alone with the boss driving him around multiple hours a day, plus whatever he does when he’s not driving
Leo should've said "let's go joe".
I mean cmon hangar 13, you have crazy material but you just don't know how to use it.
According to the wiki page Leo galante was born in 1887. By 1951 he was 64 years old. Mafia 3 takes place in 1968 which is 17 years later. Leo is 81 years old, god damn.
Seeing Joe so grim like he's not the Joe Barbaro that we know, either he had to completely forgotten Vito or unaware that Vito is still alive.
Yeah maybe they told him “Vito wasn’t a part of the deal” also.. makes you think don’t it? Pretty cool
also it just makes sense you don't have that same zest/fire at 27 vs age 44.
they should have made leo look older, since he is in his 80s
Shamic Entertainment my grandpa looks about the same age he's 84
Some people just age really well
Look at vince McMahon hes damn near 80 still looking 60
He has a lot of wrinkles from the last game
@@longpipe9350 I understand your point. But Vince is a poor choice, he looks like a walking carcass, look him up. Looks Way too old for his age.
Joe should’ve said to Lincoln “wouldn’t wanna get on your bad side”
Leo: “Same mans been delivering it for 20 years or so”
*walks right by Joe*
The more I think about it, I think Leo actually made Joe an offer. He'll keep Joe alive and under his protection (from the Tongs/Chinese triads), so long as he never makes contact with Vito for as long as either of them live, and also on the condition that Joe serve as Leo's personal body guard and driver. This makes sense for at least a couple reasons.
1) Joe killed his own former boss (Carlo), so he needs new 'employment'.
2) Leo knows he can use the situation to his own advantage. And if either Joe breaks this 'deal' and if Vito ultimately finds out about it and decides to go after Leo, well....... Leo still holds more winning cards than Vito. He can simply give Joe up to the Tongs, have him ambushed by his other loyal associates, or use his own influence with the Commission to go after Vito (after killing Joe first, of course...... effectively eliminating any way for Joe to warn Vito).
Woww
Joe shoulda came out the car saying “I’M BACK”
3:05 this is joe..
who is joe
@General Ying Ying BRUH
He’s old now and Mafia 3 was a great game but Imo 2 was far superior. 2 just had that dope ass legit Mafia feel to it, and idk 3 was good but the story of Mafia 2 was spectacular.
@General Ying Ying 😭😂😂
G*59soujia The best friend of vito
Joe and Vito could find each other and take revenge from the comission. It would be an interesting game
0:28 Leo looks at Joe and then looks back at Lincoln..
I like how they just walked like 20 yards in a circle 😂
Joe to Leo: You walk like my grandmother, you know dat?
I still don’t understand how people don’t think this is Joe. It absolutely is.
Because he ISN'T Joe, that's Pepé
@@Kaminari_Akuma you’re wrong. Pepe didn’t have the same scar on his chin like Joe did…the same scar this character has. Look up a comparison or a side by side video and come back and tell that isn’t Joe….if you truly believe that you’re delusional. Why would they zoom in on Pepe’s face looking at Lincoln as well? Pepe wasn’t an important enough character either….there’s literally nothing supporting the fact that this is Pepe,
@@TannersauresRex There is also a theory that claims that Joe Barbaro is Lincoln's real father
@@Kaminari_Akuma I know the theory. It could be possible. Likely? No but not impossible
I was more surprised to see that Leo is still alive
DONT TELL BERLEZZY
Ong I don’t even wanna see it I just came for the comments lmaoo
I will forever cherish all three Mafia games for these connections.
I played mafia 3 before 2 And everything makes so much more Sense
Just look at the end after Leo said 'sorry kid joe wasn't part of the deal' Vito eyes is scary
I genuinely thought Vito was gonna smash Leo’s head through the car window.
This theory doesn't make any sense to me. Why would Leo pull strings to have Joe spared and then hide it from Vito? And why would Vito be exiled if Joe was brought in to work for Vinci?
It's clear that the triads wanted someone to answer for killing their guys unprovoked. Leo only helped Vito because of their personal connection and because Vito saved his life, and he likely had to use all of his influence. Plus Joe was more at fault for the shootout at the restaurant because he acted on impulse and needlessly attacked.
Vito killed half of the triads
But leo galante negotiated with the others that he can live but he has to leave empire bay and so he did
@Týr no leo galante negotiated with the other leaders and they all agreed that he can live but he needs to gtfo from empire bay
@Týr i mean if I'm not wrong vito doesn't know Joe is in new Bordeaux and he can't actually meet up with him
He isn't allowed to do that
Because Joe and Vito cause too much truble together, they almost died 3 times
Leo saw how an unstoppable duo Joe and Vito were Leo wanted to seperate them he saw how much of a hazard they were together he knew that they would claw, fight and shoot all the way to the top and try to be the bosses of the crime syndicate
I like how Leo is actually reasonable. He understood Lincoln had a beef with Sal Marcano and ONLY with him, but he wanted the direct confirmation from Lincoln himself so that Leo could convey it further to the Comission.
Someone tell me how you get this cutscene, I’m basically at the last mission and I haven’t gotten this one
I’m hella late. But basically
Kill Marcono
Patwins Memes lol thanks, I didn’t realize you get it till after you complete the mission
Damn man Joe's Alive crazy!...sad in some ways because that was one hell of an iconic ending growing up and one that lives with me too this day but also so happy he's alive......Also I'm not just saying it's Joe because I want it to be him if you look at his Chin he has the same scar he had from Mafia 2
I remember how developers said that they decided to delete multiple endings in Mafia 2 and leave only one, in which Joe supposed to be dead, because they felt that one was the one with the strongest emotional impact on the player and any other one where he'd survive or anything like that, wouldn't be good for the narrative.
Oops.
For real. If it is him it ruins the whole vibe of the entire series which is supposed to be "Mafia actually bad don't idolize it."
Vito still owed Joe his five bucks
Leo seperates Vito and Joe because he knew that if they together they creates chaos
That is Joe people, look it up. Even one of the devs said that it's him. He just got old.
I am so glad joes alive no matter what joe is my favorite mafia 2 character
Oh s***! That is Joe. He was kept alive huh
I do like that they got the right style of suit for the time period. Its a good detail.
I think leo didn't tell vito joe was alive because they would cause trouble like they did the first time with the cop thing
2:48 Joe still has this limp after mafia 2 chap 14
I reckon Vito would go totally ape shit if he got word that Leo was in town and that Lincoln met with him in private...
No, not really, he knows how the Commission works.
I think it’s joe for the sole reason that it wouldn’t make sense to have a whole unique character model and outfit for it to just be an unnamed mafioso
Why would this completely random driver character basically break the fourth wall by looking into the camera if the character wasn't of some significance? It is Joe, at least I think so
I’m right in the middle of this game and my RUclips recommendations go and spoil it 🙄
that sucks
That's not Joe. That's Pepe Costa. Leo's old body guard from prison.
I thought of that too.
Nah man, look at his scar on his chin and the crooked nose
@@jasonsextafeiraderulo9410 Yeah, Pepe got that in Prison after he got jumped by Brian O'Niel.
If you watch final cutscene, you see pepe with his clean face man
@@jasonsextafeiraderulo9410 in the game files the model is called joe. Also a developer conformed it was joe
I guess Leo split Joe and Vito apart because he didn't want they to repeat the mess in Mafia2
He looked at Lincoln like that because he KNOWS Vito's working with home and is there somewhere that's a subtle "keep him safe or I'll kill you" look
Omg I'm so happy Joe is still alive. Finished Maffia 2 today with PS now and I was sad with the ending.
Also Joe is lincolns father
I love how leo pretty much threaten Lincoln but he could of easy killed all of them then ran still
A mafia 4 with Vito and joe reunited would be dope
Yes but it won't happen.
Ye, this is the end of the main story line. You will get this cutscene after killing Marcano.
Leo and Vito are close, Vito should have known that Joe is alive
Joes a pretty damn good pick if you want a balls of steel brick shit house top level enforcer as your driver and personal bodyguard.
I knew that was Joe. Leo secretly kept him alive and separated from Vito, and made up a cover story to tell him what happened to Joe. In order to have Vito move on. The Chicago story was a lie and Joe ends up working for Leo.
2:29 “Makes no FUCKIN difference to me.”
God, I missed Leo. This was such a cool moment in Mafia III, a game I adore despite it’s shortcomings.
I knew they wouldn’t kill my boy joe like that
I don't think that's Joe though, that looks more like Leo's guy Pepe from when they were in Prison in Mafia 2.
That's probably who it is. Vito explained what happened to Joe in one mission. Joe's dead.
The scar on his chin you might want to look at
This game has grown on me,hated it when I bought it (18 months ago or so)
But it's less buggy now,and the story is really great,not to mention the soundtrack
My personal best ending to Mafia 3 would be Lincoln and Vito Rule the city together and team up with Vito's old friend Joe Barbaro after he leaves Leo Galante. This is how Mafia 3 would end with me. Then Mafia 4 has a whole new bunch of mobsters ! Thanks for the upload. :)
Eyy sonny didn't they smoke yo ass in that checkpoint bro? Chopped you down with tommy
Leaving bullet holes in yo body
I bet real Mafia fans would of wanted Vito at the end with them, and I bet my taxes Vito will be in 4, Donovan Lincoln Vito and Joe Perfect Mafia Quad
Leo’s gang is the real mafia
I thought that was Pepe?
It is
It’s Pepe