If she doesnt remember because it happened 15 Years ago, wouldn't that imply that she has been bullying people in some form? Because if she never bullied anyone ever then she wouldve straight denied it..
Not necessarily. I personally wouldn't say "I've never bullied anyone" because, to my memory, I haven't, but to someone else, they may think so. When I was a pre-teen, I had a lot of mental and emotional problems and wasn't always nice. If I'd hurt someone's feelings unintentionally a few times, that person might consider themselves bullied. Or if a joke goes too far. Things like that. People hurt each other unintentionally all the time, but does that make everyone a bully? No. But some may view things differently. Misunderstandings can occur. I don't remember every single incident situation, or conversation in my life, so it's entirely possible I did or said things that upset someone without knowing it. Therefore, I wouldn't outright deny it without knowing more info/details, like of a particular incident.
CheshireKat I mean if it was a light incident she was accused of then sure , I see your point , but what the alleged victim said sounded pretty hardcore to me , I don’t think you just forget beating up someone multiple times unless you do that all the time which is even worse
@@camilaabigailnunezburgos4907 hm, I hadn't heard any specifics or alleged actions, so I don't know about that. But I mean, yeah, you'd probably remember beating someone, if that indeed happened. 🤷🏻♀️
CheshireKat it was legit in the video saying the claim was that Hyolyn beat the girl up at school and then asked the girl to go a playground near her school to get beat up more. I agree with your point that we hurt others unintentionally all the time and just forget about it, but this seems more serious than that.
Bullies in school grow up to be bullies in the work place. Not always but it happens. I've been bullied more at work then ever in school. Hope the school system can get control of the situation.
@@npcimknot958 for real. these experiences are normalized as "the real world". the real world does not have to be a world of hate and harrassment. people who say that are so dense.
Could you also discuss the persistence of bullying into mandatory military service? I've heard that in the Korean military there were instances of suicide because of the severity of bullying of the initiates. I don't know how that claim aligns with your own personal experiences in the military.
That's called Hazing. As I wouldn't know about what goes on in the south Korean military but I can speak about the USMC (United states marine corp) there's a zero tolerance policy. I have seen people get in serious trouble as my time in the marines comes to an end.
@@bgbbff I understand that the discipline level required to stay in the marines is pretty intense. Perhaps one of the highest of any branch of the military. It does make sense that they would tolerate no shenanigans, and I'm glad to hear this is true. Also, thank you for your service to the country. I have only heard rumors about bullying (or hazing) in the Korean military, and I cannot say for certain that this happens across the board. But I think it is a contributing factor to why some individuals go to extreme lengths to opt out of mandatory service.
Roy yep, some seniors in the Korean military treat their subordinates with bias and bully some. There’s this thing, idk if it’s true, that it’s better to have a pretty girl visit you in the mandatory military years so that the seniors will look at you in a better light
I was bullied in high school, and at the time, it was not taken seriously. A lot of people didn't really understand even if majority of the 'bullying' doesn't always result to physical, it is how much of the verbal, emotional, and mental abuse can stick and follow you all through your life. I know because I deal with it everyday. However I am fortunate enough that I channel it through therapeutic means like painting, writing, and walking. There was one former bully who had apologized me to me when I met up with her once, all because now HER OWN DAUGHTER is also being bullied and wanted to know how she could deal with it and how I dealt with it when I was being bullied. I feel sorry for the daughter, but I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR MY FORMER BULLY. So do I think Hyolyn is a bully? I think so. The victim clearly recounted a lot of the incidents that she carries to this day, which Hyolyn would say she did not 'remember' because of the timeframe. But usually a former bully would deny their 'participation' or their involvement to the incident/s, because they would say the following reasons: 1. We were just kids back then. (doesn't matter if they were kids if they did that, the fact that kids inflict physical and psychological pain to other kids is something concerning to begin with.) 2. It was a long time ago, I don't remember doing that. (bullshit, unless one disassociated and is not aware of him/herself, they do remember. They just deny it.) 3. I don't even know who this person is. (Then why did you pick this person? They MUST REMEMBER THE REASON why they just picked this person to inflict their abuse to. They must be SICK TO THE HEAD if they just picked this person for absolute little to NO REASON.) Typical excuses. But eventually they will own up to it, if their reputation is at line. So I think calling out people who were bullies back then is something I SUPPORT. Because they have to be held accountable to their actions back then and to give the victims a sense of justice or at least closure to the burden they carried from school all the way to adulthood.
camille francisco I agree. I experienced a similar bullying situation. It can affect you so much mentally that it is possible for you to carry it throughout your lifetime. It’s not always easy to forget. I support as well. I believe an apology would be enough to end a situation like this, that way the bully owns up to what they did and there would be some closure for the one who got bullied.
camille francisco Even though I agree with your statement. But what does the victim achieve by doing this??? Obviously, she wants more than just an apology. Why else would she only chase this up after 15 years??? uhmm for "an apology", she says... yeah right... Im not saying bullying should be justified or ignored, but to ruin someone's career??? An eye for an eye? Then how does that make the victim any better than the bully? It is this continuous cycle of hate and people being f*cking nosy that makes Korea the most dramatic country.
@@TheRealBZ Hello. I do not have the answer what is generally right or generally wrong. But what I stated above is what I personally think/feel is right in a general circumstance. For the victim, it is to achieve justice and a sense of closure. I know it did for me when one of my former bullies reached out and apologized. We are not friends, but at least I can breathe easier, and my headspace lighter. And with justice, it is being called out to the actions that inflict physical or psychological pain to others that has lasting effects. It doesn't matter when it would be called out, it had to be. But you are right in how wrong the victim did it. To air it in a public platform for all to see, and to drag the other party's name/reputation/career, when it can be settled privately with no casualty. Perhaps that is where the line between being civil to being brusque blurs. That's where I believe the victim kinda stepped out of line. However, the difference in the case of Hyolyn is that she is on the higher tier of society, therefore she is seen more on a broader view and her actions monitored in a microscopic level. We wouldn't know exactly what happened between closed doors, or if there were any settlement that happened. But at least in their court, it was already settled. And maybe that is the end of it (I hope.). But it certainly created awareness, bullying was and will never be ok. But it certainly won't be the last time we will hear of it.
Korean American who moved to Korea for a couple years in highschool... Being used to gang violence in LA, and then seeing Korean highschool bullying made me laugh hard. Still really toxic. They need to fix this.
bgbbff I mean, there’s really not much to tell. I realized that Korean bullying was really more verbal. I find verbal abuse worse in my opinion. I think it’s more toxic, and leads to a side effect like cancer... Just eating you alive. When I first arrived, 90% were really nice to me. I was in Seoul at first, then Daegu. Daegu was a little different. There were the occasional “cool kids”, but I wasn’t impressed. They called me “교포” and “양놈”, but I really wasn’t phased by it. I grew up in LA, so I was used to kids being in group fades (fights), and shootouts. The “cool kids” seemed really cringe to me compared to US “cool kids” in highschool. They’d just spark up a cigarette thinking it’s badass, and just cuss. Not really much of a show. So I couldn’t help but laugh when they tried to target me, or clown me. That eventually pissed them off, and they kinda got physical...? Not to be rude to them, but the “bullies” I experienced can not fight. They are just toxic. I took on 4 guys alone and won. I bet their long winter coats that just dragged them down did not help. But yeah. That’s the main premise of it. Other than that, I didn’t really witness anyone trying to test me or anything. I got along with Korean kids fine. They’re hella nice.
@@meanjune I'm sure if I ever had to attend Korean school, I would probably experience such. And throw my first punches ever. Most bullies are cringe because they feel inadequate in some way(s), and need a realization of their pathetic deeds.
TheNunakun Most should be fine. I’m a extrovert, and I love people and reaching out. I catch a lot of intentional, and unintentional attention. That’s why I was probably a potential target.
Also from Southern California! It's just another day in the Golden State. If someone get dropped, one of your homies might get dropped and it's turns into a fighting frenzy. Most during lunchtime when I was in High school.
I've always felt that bullying is only taken seriously after the damage is done. While is happening people turn around, close their eyes. But when you say what happened in the past everyone's hearts just melts and suddenly they all sympathize with you. That's why bullying is such a big and underestimated problem that doesn't seems to be resolved, even though we're constantly talking and reflecting about it.
@kys I'm not really a fangirl. For me, both of them are pretty doubtful. It's pretty suspicious that Hyolyn couldn't remember but we can't say that everyone has a good memory, so who knows. The knetizen's evidences could be true but this can also be falsified (the chats, but the photos can't ofc) (there are cases like this, like what happened to Lovelyz's Jisoo in 2014). Anyway, I had hoped that they investigated this more but if the two parties are now okay then we can't do much about it.
Ellery Rillaine The entertainment company was threatening to sue, so to me it doesn't feel settled, it feels more like the victim was intimidated by far more powerful people into dropping her claim.
@@lucasthehuman9069 I could see that happening. It's pretty disappointing to know that they just swept this under the mat. It is technically "settled" and we'll never hear about this issue again (maybe someone will come forward again or maybe not).
I get what you mean when you say it’s doubtful. If you can’t prove these claims, then I’m not inclined to believe you. If all your proof is that you went to the same school, that really doesn’t prove anything.
If that person has changed and has apologized, then why tf keep canceling, calling them out and remind them about what they've done IN THE PAST? Like... First of all acting like is foolish and childish and second of all it doesn't makes that person that criticizes better than the bully they criticize that much...
@@moonie2222 You do realize childhood attitudes follow you to adulthood. She's most likely not sorry for what she did, but sorry it came out into the limelight. If you do something that damaging and hurtful to somebody, why should you, of all people who work even harder and who want success more than you can imagine, why should you get to come out at the top? Thing is you must have a clean slate or others with one will take your place. And not to mention how painful it must be to see your tormentor as a successful idol.
Moonchild hon' Moonchild hon' if somebody claimed they wanted to commit su**ide because of all the things their bully did to them going all the way back to middle school and until high school, then that bully shouldnt be forgiven so easily. If bullying goes to the extent of a victim wanting to k*ll themselves then that should be a serious problem, not just something that could easily be apologized for. Not just one but multiple victims came out and told similar stories after what Hyolin did to them. Although this wasnt said in the video, theres a lot more videos covering this. I hope you understand why she cant be forgiven so easily for her actions.
I have been bullied for years & even tho it is in the pass it still hurts to talk about it. Im glad Korea takes bullying REALLY serious while come places take it just serious. Kpop back in the day was my way to forget about the bullying ( I was even bullied for liking kpop and anime but I dont care now ) .
That's kinda crazy to think someone's whole career could be in jeopardy based on something that might be a lie. Not saying it isn't true, but who knows?
@@gigigiooo really? well i was always wondering why the business men aren't ratted out. i had a lot of people telling me off on this one video which was just very vague about the issue and never really specified if he IS innocent in any way when my comment only sounded slightly biased towards the side of him being guilty. i guess they were wrong then
lil egg there are lots of fans still defending him however this issue isn’t just about him hiring prostitutes, this is deeply rooted in corruption inside the Gangnam district, and it goes way back. Powerful people are involved in this case but it’s obvious that Seungri is being shielded by someone, it makes no sense that the guys in old in the same group chats as he are getting prosecuted and he isn’t.
To be honest, even if the accusation is true, I would like to think that Hyolyn has changed. It doesn't excuse her past actions, but we have all made mistakes as kids. I have been both the victim and bully in my school years and am not proud of it. Now I do my best to try and advocate against bullying, school violence because I've seen both sides. It's hard to know if the accusations are true or not because of how famous they are. I do like Hyolyn and see her as a good person so I hope this is false.
Kassandra Bonilla I hope this is false too for Hyolyn's sake but I feel like if she did do it and she changed, an apology would be better than threatening to sue.
I was being bullied by my own brother, mentally and physically as a child. Everyday I need to find ways to escape for him. It get worse when my parents not around. They think it's normal to have fight within siblings. I attempted countless of run away from home cause I though no one love me and care about me. And if I go maybe they will be more happy without me. At one time I just so traumatise with "man" and I just hate them so much for disturbing my life. I even avoid to have conversation with male's classmate. My childhood was very depressive moment for me. I think as a child, It really influence them to grow up as a person. Even though I am a grown up women now, I couldn't escape from the trust issue to all man near me. I look very happy from the outside but I don't let them close to my heart cause I'm truly afraid they will hurt me in any ways. Because of my brother was an asshole in the past, I grew up to be very independent and some time I thought that maybe I don't need any man in my life to survive. Luckily I don't fucked up my life because of him cause I think it's not worthy and the only way to make him piss off to show that I'm better than him. I don't hate my own brother and I forgive him for that cause he changed a lot since my dad passed away and take care of my family more than anyone else. But still, it's impossible to forget about everything he had done to me. Bullies might be small issue within family but actually it really shapes their personality and so on as a person. If you make something wrong to someone, you should apologise for making them suffering for their whole life. That could save someone from going thru hell. If you see someone get bullies, stands for them. Cause that the only way to keep them stronger. If I don't have my supportive foster parents and my childhood friends, I might not be who I am today. Thanks you for that.
So I am from the United States. And I will be honest, in High School I was a bully because I was too concieted about being the football captain. After a leg injury I recieved, I went through a time of humbleness. My head cooled down and I stopped looking down at others, and learn to help and accept them. Now I am an adult with a job and recently a friend of mine described me as a "humble person". I told him about my past and he told me, "it doesn't matter who your were but who you are at this very moment". I can't really judge Hyolyn for who she was in the past and I am sure she regrets this part of her life even if it might be true. But people change and learn. As for the victim, why now after 15 years does she bring this up in public? I dont know. The victim wants a sincere apology but on the internet through DM? A sincere apology is through person. Surely after 15 years she can give Hyolyn a chance. Still this seems too opportunist to me.
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The accuser's evidence is pretty insubstantial. Pictures of the graduation album don't prove anything. The texts only show one side of the conversation. Hyolyn wanted to talk in person, but the accuser wanted everything to be done via DMs, that seemed like a red flag to me. If you really wanted an apology, it would be much more satisfying to have it done in person, not through a screen. Sure, Hyolyn saying she doesn't remember what happened 15 years ago is a weak defense, but who remembers everything from 15 years ago? Memories can change over time and are especially changed due to our perception of things, how we thought 15 years ago is different from now. Both might remember different versions of the events. If Hyolyn did do those things I will be disappointed in her. Bullying is harmful and needs to be stopped. Schools need to take it more serious as it can cause serious damage to the student's self-esteem, confidence, and their lives.
It's hard to prove bullying from years ago. Even if she got beat up, any physical wounds are gone obviously. I think a missing point is that the victim is saying she got beat up constantly for years, so if Hyolyn didn't do it, I think she'd remember... Also, would you want to meet the person who beat you up and stepped on you, making you feel helpless and small when you were a kid? That victim is probably a shy introvert type to begin with cause those are the types that gets outcasted a lot in Korea... She probably didn't want the attention of meeting a huge celebrity in public...
@@lucasthehuman9069 There had have been witnesses and likely other victims. To strengthen and validate her case, she could've found or tried to find others willing to come forward as a united front. If no one wanted to, she could have at least mentioned that and not made it all about her and her perspective, which isn't very credible alone. I think assuming the girl's personality doesn't make sense and, honestly, is rather pointless. So, if she didn't want to meet with Hyolyn and get an apology in person, what did she want then? I thought she was the one who wanted to meet, also, but maybe I'm mistaken. Either way, I think being "afraid" of meeting the person who bullied her 15 years ago is a very poor argument/defense because she went way out of her way to get Hyolyn's attention; I can't believe that she'd do so if she was so scared of confronting her. The whole purpose of her actions was to confront and "expose" Hyolyn, so it doesn't make much sense to /not/ want to meet her. I feel that if you're going to go through so much trouble of proving yourself and trying to contact a celebrity, you're probably going to want more than a written apology, but maybe not--maybe that's all she wanted. I don't know. However, I suppose I could understand if she chickened out last minute. Still, I don't think that's any excuse for not showing up after getting what you wanted/were looking for. Also, I don't think they would've met like, in the middle of a crowded area. I'm sure there are places where they could've met for privacy.
@@MadCheshireHat To add to that, they probably weren't going to be alone either, Hyolyn was probably going to be accompanied with her agent or manager or whoever is in charge of overseeing cases like this, and the accuser most likely would have taken someone else with her as well.
If you were a bully when you were young or you used to hang out with bullies then the guilt of it probably affect you (If you think you did wrong) which is hard to forget. If she in the wrong here then She should have apologised, all was asked of was an apology Via twitter. Just found out that the op was a bully in the past too, she took the post down because someone called her out.
I think you need to consider the bigger picture. If she had apologized (whether true or not) the accuser could have used the dm as digital evidence that she was a bully and still tried to sue or just end her career. That's why she wanted to meet in person. I think the company knew that too. Messaging an apology is dangerous and if it was just about an apology a personal meeting is more sincere to me.
at this rate someone is gonna have their career destroyed because they broke someone's toy when they were 1 year old. bullying is wrong, and yes bullies deserve to be punished, when they bully people, not after they have matured and probably dont do that anymore. but i think these days people are just using it as an excuse to destroy people's career. if you want an apology that much, approach the person and demand an apology, not mess up their whole life because of what they did when they were younger.
Where I grew up, bullying wasn’t organised and most students were either not inclined to bully or they were kinda bad at it? I was bullied and it did get so bad that I changed schools, but that wasn’t a terribly difficult thing to do. So I don’t think bullying was as big of an issue. I’m familiar with the severity of school bullying in Korea though, and it makes me sad. It isn’t an easy social issue to address.
@superioryena Of course she is a bully. Do you think a person who has never bullied anyone in their life would claim they "don't remember what happened"? No! They would say "I've never done that in my entire life, I'll be suing for defamation"
@@irenesleatherpants that statement, though poorly worded, was an exuse for the company to save face from both sides. Kind of like saying a statement without saying anything. Tbh they should've just ended at "We're looking into it." but they worded it badly. It doesn't mean she was definitely a bully.
I am a victim of bully since i was in primary school and junior high school, and no one cared about me except myself ,nor my mother (my beloved father has passed away), and my teacher don't know about this too and they even don't care about their students. Now i became a teacher, and i'm so stricted about bully. Everytime my student fight, i always cared and make them gets better. I always cared about my students so much because i was a bully victim. But, someday, and i don't know there are one of my student got bullied. And i tried to make everything better. But i failed. The other students don't want befriends with student(victim) anymore. So she (victim) said to her parents that it was my fault (me as a teacher). And her parents said it to school chief. Suddenly i got warning and thereatened to fired. Oh god, finally i know why teacher don't care too much about students, because they can got into trouble if they just handle the bully victim. So, for you the bully victim, don't make your teacher got fired just because handling your problem!!! You don't know that she/he(teacher) have a lot thing to care, not only you!!!!
That sucks. For what it's worth, I have nothing but respect and admiration for teachers and I think that it's genuinely one of the toughest jobs out there.
karma always comes to haunt the guilty. The fact that the incident has been "settled privately" instead of "the accuser has been sued by the company" screams that SOMETHING must have gone on.
First of all, Hyolyn not being able to remember what she did fifteen years ago is absolute BS. If you were a school bully, you would know. That being said, the fact that these people are being punished for what they did as immature children is absolutely ridiculous. I was bullied as a child and I learned to grow from it. I took those experiences and made sure to become a better person than those who bullied me. The fact that these people can't seem to move on from what happened to them as children seems like they have personal issues they need to work on themselves, not drag others down with them. At the end of the day, they're becoming the bullies they hated when they were kids.
That's exactly how I feel. I grew a lot from my experiences, although unpleasant to say the least. Over time, you do move on, and if you don't, well... :/ And publicly doing something like this is definitely not something I can respect.
That was amazingly worded. I never thought of it like that tbh my issue was the ”accusation” somehow being brought up. After so many years, I've always been a sister and hyolyn fan and someone who has been a victim of bullying. But for people to not like her anymore due to childish act when did as A KID is dumb. Looking through these comments I can tell these are some haters of hers that were waiting for this opportunity to hate her.
CheshireKat Same thing I was always bullied and had some unpleasant memories. Though growing up wasn't the kindest I learned to also love myself. I'm not going to search up my 5th bullied and hunt his success down that's dumb. For people to say this is karma and she's going to lose her career over 15 years old thing is plain stupid and she's not the only idol to experience this.
Hyolyn saying she doesn't remember also shows her character though. If she didn't do it, just deny it, and if she did, just apologize. I agree you'd be the bigger person for letting it go although bullying in Korea goes deep, and it's like everyday consistently for years in the same school. Kids legit transfer schools cause of bullying. It's hard to say.
@dave The victim just wanted a simple Twitter apology, like who are you to judge them for that, are you her? If not then you probably don't know how she handles trauma and an apology might help her. Also she kept the matter private first and only made it public after hyolyn threatened her.
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Why should end her career? Just because She did some mistace as a teenager She should stop singing? She maybe got one live worse but makeing milions better through her Positive music. You Are not the one who has right to say someones career Is ovet!!! In adition this is between Hyo And the acuser And they allready setle this So why Are You guys still on it? let IT go pls. You people Are So toxic..
@@fhzmn She is an IDOL someone to look up to. If she really did bully someone and did NOT do a sincere apology then she does not deserve to be one. And yes, it is up to the fans on whether or not she keeps her career because without fans she's nothing
@@gourmand3 I am her fan And alwais Will be, you obviously not So She would not miss much. And how you dont know that She did not Apology - maybe during the setlement She Said sorry to her.. And also Is quite obvious that the accuser wanted only money So I gues She Is happy know - And I dont see any Reason why Hyo should apologies publicly She did not bully all of you 😉..
The fact that she doesn't 'remember' says everything to me. If you never did, you would deny it vehemently and you wouldn't need to be reminded. And for those stans out here apologizing on behalf of their bias, saying things like 'we'll I'm sure she learned her lesson, she is older now', it's NOT YOUR APOLOGY TO GIVE! Only the victim is allowed that. And how can you learn from something you've never owned up to or apologized for? Nah gtfo with that entire mess!
She has an excellent relationship with the Sistar members after many years and her current employees/dancers seem to be very at ease around her. I have no doubt that she has a strong personality, which I think she would admit, but I don't see any real evidence of a bully mentality or the results of it.
hyolyn is the one bullied, I don't see any bully mentality with her, what you said is true, bully people cannot have a strong relationship that will last a long time.
I love you so much. For real. Please keep up the good work. You're the best and it's amazing how we finally get the information from a Korean about what's going on in Korea.
Bullying is clearly an issue that needs more attention... and it is something that teachers and school directors are doing their best to reduce and check in schools here. They seriously care (at least, the teachers I've met and spoken with), although I believe they are not all properly trained to deal with bullies. As for whether I believe whether Hyorin used to bully or not? No idea... Never met her, and forging an opinion solely through videos is not enough for me. I just hope she wasn't... for her sake as well as the peers she may (or may not) have bullied.
I don't believe accusations that come out years and years later in general. And even if they're true it's been so long most likely the people have changed
@Jay Morales If you saw your bully being praised as a god of goodness, pretty sure your trauma will be back. Also if she was innocent, she would have said 'ive never done anything like that' instead of 'i don't remember'. She also didn't change cause it was exposed that she tried to bully the victim into shutting up.
she wanted an apology via dm so she can post it online as proof. Idk man bullying is serious but... it's so many years later and idk i just feel like the accusations might be heavily exaggerated. idk man
I went to school in China and bullying(not intense) was quite the norm, I remember a few of my female friends and I bullied a quiet boy by throwing away a drawing he drew and he cried. I did feel guilty at the time but I forgot about it a few days later...now that i think about it, it's so fucked up. I was bullied several times by bigger girls and I bullied others as well, the teachers only protected those who got good marks and belittled those who got bad marks. I went back to visit and some of my friends who are in Highschool and they are in actual 'gangs' where they go to other schools and fight with other gangs, it's crazy, I will never want to go back to school in China.
I was bullied since elementary to highschool. Now that I'm 20, me and my bully were so close that we just laugh when we talk about the past. It's all about forgiveness my people and maturity. Don't hold grudges but let the karma hit them.
Easy for you to say. Bullying in korea is much much worse. Imagine seeing your bully famous and successful. You will just suffer and become depressed. Not all humans are tough nuts
Pelvis Helvis with all due respect, Hyung Staaph is correct. As a professional with advanced Pysch degree...letting go & forgiveness is personal choice that victims of bullying must employ to move forward in a healthy manner. Minors aren’t jailed for certain offenses as adults for a reason. For bullying, 15-20 years later victim is still harboring anger to Hyolyn is far more dangerous than anything. The victims state they want a sincere apology but deep down that’s never the case. I see this daily. Clear your mind, release that energy, and move on with their lives.
In my school there weren't any hardcore bullies cause our school management was pretty strict. But even tho there was still a lot of verbal bullying that happened and nobody rralised this was also a form of bullying including me, but now when I look back it feels like we were bullies unknowingly.
I haven't been into kpop since 2012 but I will always like learning about other cultures. (Yes, this counts as a culture by how a country treats its people in whatever job they have). I knew how bad school bullying was in S.Korea but I didn't think it would affect someone's career. It makes sense by the awful stories, articles, and people I've talked to there has said what they've seen or been through. This is just me but I think its better to just apologize rather sue them. Yeah, that label will be with you for the rest of your life but this will kinda make it worse.
@@kiluvoileib7756 uh huh.... So then the high amount of suicide rates from students in S.Korea is fake, right? Look, if you wanna make yourself happy by saying that then go by all means. Bullying is everyone and just sometimes worse in some places than others.
No surprise that there are bullies in such a competitive industry. They're already used to pushing people down so why not do it for fame, money and recognition. It probably an advantage even.
I wonder about those idols who are literally bullied after they become successful . Why no one talks about these idols who are threatened by faceless netizens?? Of course a bully should be punished for what they did but when these allegations turns out to be fake ,why no one talks about them?? Hyolyn definitely didn't handle the case properly but if you look at this matter properly the one who called herself "victim" turned out to be a real bully. Old classmates of hyolyn came in her defence and yet many netizens still calls her a bully! Well everyone says not to judge a book by it's cover and yet they do it . It's easy to put allegations n speak ill of others but when these allegations are turned out to be false no one, not a single soul cares to talk about it .
Regardless it’s true or not, happens in the past or present, bullies is not cool and never be, it’s also leave such big impact and damage to the victims whether it’s mentally, physically and emotionally
I think hyolyn is innocent. Just because she has a personality that is fierce and intimidating doesn't mean she bullies or hurt people. She's like jessie and cheeta in a way fierce, strong, intimidating and sweet.
jha zacaria I don't understand why she would say she can't remember rather than just straight up denying the accusations if she's certain she's never bullied before.
@@lucasthehuman9069 you will understand it if you watched old video's of her on programs (I am talking about from a few years ago). They often asked her things about the past and she said many times that she can't remember certain things that happened a long time ago. I don't understand why people can switch so fast from positive to negative if they hear something bad that wasn't even proved TF. Anyways I believe that she is innocent I just went to her concert and she is so kind and real.
welly knowles Her saying she doesn't remember things means when there's things she doesn't want to answer, that's what she says... I'm not positive or negative about her cause I'm not her fan, but I feel we can't just blindly worship idols and trust everything they say. They might be beautiful, but it doesn't mean they have better personalities and are impervious to making mistakes...
I wish school bullying was taken seriously in England like it is in Korea, through my entire educational life I was bullied and physically abused for all sorts of reasons. One of them being because I’m adopted and no one ever did anything no matter how many times I went and complained
Bullying is bad.. l just wonder who ever open this long past chapter of her life is doing it because Hyolyn is a successful entertainer or is it concocted by someone whose interested to gain, l hope Hyolyn is much better now, she seem to have a mature character, and hope if this allegation is true, the person who felt mistreated is well.
So hyolyn company said they will sue the person for ruining her image and bam all of the sudden her IP address was blocked and all the images from her dm was gone... you know before you upload a picture to the website that is saved inside your pc or wherever it was first stored. Now shes claiming she lost it after the website deleted her info without her consent??? Ut was first believable and there was a slight chance she may have been a bully but after hearing you could get sued for these false accusations clearly they made it up and trying to cover up the story.
Unfortunately, bullying is not taken seriously in my country and it should be treated the same as in Korea. I’ve been bullied through all my school years .. 12 years of hell.
Netune you wouldn't want to meet up with the person who beat u up constantly back in the day. Even after 10 years, there's probably still a part of the victim that feels so small and weak.
Netune The victim could be spotted and subsequently harassed by mentally disturbed fans to the point where she'd kill herself. Look at the angles a bit better.
i haven't seen as such (beating someone) nor heard of it happened inside our school premise. ..outside the school?maybe(?)..verbally sometimes, but not the above average type, just something nonsense that you can just shrug off and let the bully rot with his/her/their words.. i haven't seen anyone willing to be trampled, its like tease-me-i'll-tease-you, beat-me-i'll-beat-you, break-me-i'll-break-you... or people here are just kind(?) lol..or bullies are just not as capable of breaking someone, like the trying hard bully(can i even call them bully?lol)... or maybe the teachers in our school are just handling it too well- they're always open and fair.
Bully rules are more stricter now, so of course bullies have gotten sneakier, like course you won't see it happening in the middle of a hallway, ain't no bullies dumb like that.
I was bullied when i was in elementary school.. but it's okay.. life must go on. And i don't fu*king care 'bout the life of people who bullied me. I just focus on myself and my future
Plus I have a question for the victims of bullying, has it never occurred to you to change schools or something. Like I see it in the kdramas a student would get relentlessly bullied, but come to school every day and not think to switch schools or tell their parents. Maybe it’s different in the states but we tell our parents everything.
I did. My mom and I got so fed up with the BS at my school that went on for a few years that I went back to home school since the principal didn't care, and in fact suggested that picking on me was a way to "get to know me." I remember sitting there, only 13 years old, stunned at such a preposterous idea. If you want to get to know someone, you ask them questions, talk to them. Not humiliate them. Duh. Even a socially inept introvert like me knows that much. To have a grown man tell me it's all friendly was ridiculous. I wasn't bullied like it's portrayed in fiction, but all the head games and ridiculousness still took a toll on me, especially as an ADHD, Bipolar introvert struggling with her own issues. Anyway... Not everyone can switch schools. Some areas don't have a lot of options, especially rural areas. You'd need to have parental support to do so, and unfortunately, not all "parents" are willing to provide that.
This is so heartbreaking, I never knew it was this hard to deal with bullying externally. I appreciate you guys for being strong enough to share your stories❤️
@lamice tilib, Are you seriously victim blaming? In Korea, parents puts their kids into the best hs that they can find and afford cause good hs = good college = good job. So if a child talk to parents about wanting to move schools because of bullying, then parents might get real angry and tell them to just take it cause they sacrificed lot to put them into this nice ass school which will apparently be good for their future.
Memories are evidence, albeit sometimes hazy or even untrue. Internet and virtual data storage, on the other hand, are a permanent record. Glad to see some retribution these days. Stay decent, people. Mistakes can be corrected.
There are bully here in the USA for sure. Asian and blacks, and poor kids get bully by the rich kids or the more popular kids. But there are strength in numbers... stand together and crush them.. I was never bullied but I would not sit by and watch it happen ether... I am mixed race, so being mix race you can be bullied from both side. Not black enough or you are not white, so they don't want to be friends with you. But I had family. A big family. 11 kids in all. 7 boys and 4 girls. So we never got picked on. It feels way better to help those who can not protect themselves... Thank you for all the great videos you post. I will keep watching and hope to visit 1 days soon. I would love to see a video on mix kids growing up in Korea... When I visit I plan on trying to help mix Korean kids that have been left by their parents because of them being mix.. I will keep my eye out to see what you come up with if you do... Until then, Peace, Love, and Soul!!!!
If it wasn't true all she has to say is that it isn't true why would there be a settlement if it wasn't true. I believe that it happened but I also believe that she has grown and isn't that kind of person anymore. Instead of being in denial, I hope her fans come to realize that bullying and harrassment even as a kid in school can come back to bite you.
Bruh, think about how internet netizens would react no matter what you'd say if you're accused. case 1: "I didn't do that" - people go "Liar" "She's denying it!!" "Stop lying" and all that stuff case 2: "I don't know" - people would still go "Liar" "She's denying it!!" "Stop lying" and all that stuff case 3: "I did that, sorry" - people would go "I knew it, ", "I'm so disappointed in you" and all that stuff. Welcome to the internet, where 90% of users never seem to lose interest on hating, bullying or doing bad to someone just because they're behind the screen.
On my school days we call that ”estigma” making fun of something your colleague is using or did but never his social condition or mental illness. If I think the real meaning of bullying so I was bullies but I didn’t took seriously because were normal between us even do I didn’t the same to others and when I was starting getting mad they stopped.
Watching Kdrama bullies I always thought that things were exaggerated for entertainment purposes but it’s actually really upsetting to see that that’s not the case
As a Korean American, i have experienced a mild form of bullying, but nothing too serious compared to Korea. I heard stories where pretty girls would get bullied from the other girls. I've heard brutal stories.
Personally, I don't believe it, but this situation sounds really sketchy. I myself can barely remember what happened to me 5 years ago, so forgetting about something that happened 15 years ago isn't shocking. As someone who has been bullied, I do remember when and how it happened, but the details become blurred as years pass and I start to forget who was responsible. Look, if Hyolyn really bullied the girl, she should just apologize and if not, the girl in question should apologize. Hell, who's to say this girl is just a jealous person who wants to get back at her for having something she never got or maybe Hyolyn used to be a friend of hers and she let her down someway. Until there's more evidence, I'm siding with Hyolyn. No one should have their careers destroyed over rumors. We have more than enough of that here in the US.
If it’s all true, then an apology would’ve been enough. People need to own up to what they did. It’s a part of growing up. I find it odd how Hyolyn went from “I don’t remember” to something like “I will sue you.” Not a wise move on her part.
@@MadCheshireHat No it was from her, she first tried to befriend the victim and asked about her address and stuff so that she can visit and talk about it. But when she got the info she went too faced and immediately tried to sue her. The matter was going to be handled in privacy, but after that, the victim shared all the text messages online.
I had scandal in school before idr much. I told principal that people are bothering me (bullying) and she said because i am the problem. Till this day I still think I'm the problem and deserves it. My school completely brainwashed me to think that I'm not good enough. Ahahaha. . . . Help
I am usually on the victim's side but this story seems pretty sketchy to me... I mean, I found it weird that years after the events the presumed victim comes back publicly and asks for an apology. 15 years isn't nothing... Maybe it's part of a therapy the victim follows???
It will not happen if the victim are more successfull than the bullies. See the people that you think cruel became successfull, make the victim kinda mad and jealous. In other hand, maybe the victim didn't know, maybe the bullies are change, became good person, becama the child that proud their parents, the victim never knows what the bullies doing to get their successfull, hardworking everyday and did not enjoy their childhood time. Time passed and you still became you " the victim" and accused other people "why my life is suck". If you get bullies, please be forgivefull person maybe the person who bullies you are didn't know what they do and say, cause they are not immature. I get bully in my school, one day i met the bullies and we greet each other, she apologize to me, saying that she didn't immature that time. I just laugh, cause i know since she bullied me i think she get problem in her home and can't act mature. Sorry for my grammar and i hope you understand.
Lmao its so funny how they(people that got bullied) just reported that this year bc she got more famous or bc she is a celebrity. Even if the bullying happen, they could just settle down and talk about it. No need to go public with it and i think these people are trying to get something from her idk maybe money etc... Like honetly of all 15 years, she literally showed up 2019 when she could have done it in the past 10 years or less. Maybe bc hyolyn wasnt famous that time. Thats why they did it this year to gain attention and bc of the scandal happening around korea
@@julynightowl7413 lmao ain't blaming on her. I read more article about it and she tried to report it but it didnt work bc sistar was really famous so police didnt took it but then this year 2019 finally came out bc of what is happening in Korea all these drugs, sexual assault and everything
The situation with the Produce X 101 participant Yoon Seobin was that he was found to have not been guilty for bullying. He only admitted to drinking underage. That’s all. Both teachers and friends of his had come out in his defense but the culture was so strong that they decided to cancel him before the truth came out. And now his career is ruined as an idol even though he did not bully.
I watch so many Korean drama's and it astonishes me that bullying in Korean high school is very verbal and then physical The Penthouse season 1 and season 2 those kids were bullying 3 girls and it was not teasing it was more like attempted murder instead of 'oh you are fat' like some people might say to someone in England
I’m America they don’t give a crap, kids and killing them selves because of bullying and schools come up with some lame ass excuse.. so parents are taking it in their own hands and fighting back.. a women in California went into her daughter class and told off the bullies.. let’s just say after she went on a rant they never touch her daughter again.... For me when my son was 7 some punk kid tried to bully my son, let’s just say the school found out how far I’m willing to take things for my son..
If it is true she was a school bully it would be a real shame and seems it would destroy her career. I'm a low-key 'fan' of hers, I think she has an amazing voice. Afterthought: Why is this coming out soooo many years later, they tryna ruin her shine? Should have have been left where it was....in the past and if closure was needed still; it could have been done in private.
I think it's pretty dumb to lose your entire career over something that happened over 15 years ago when Hyolyn was still a teen and let's be real here; we've all done something dumb as teenagers whether we want to admit it or not.
Thats funny, Hyolyn is the Bruce Lee of K pop, she's barely 5 foot. I guess when your rich everyone comes out of the woodshed. She is a very confident person, sometimes people mistake sarcasm with the truth. When your little you tend to defend yourself with your mouth. To the people who get their feeling hurt easily and make up lies to feel good about themselves, grow up. To the people who were actually bullied, your safer in numbers, so make friends.
I mean people change honestly. You can’t hold something over someone’s head that was over 15 years ago that’s stupid. If the victim is okay and they both don’t care about it anymore then stop bringing it up. The same thing happened to with jimin and honestly they both settled it so what the hell is the problem. No one is dead. She never even admitted to it. All I’m saying is that holding something over someone’s head after over 3 years of it being done is stupid.
KpopFeels MyJams why didn't she just deny then? She just said she doesn't remember, but if she didn't beat someone up, I think you'd remember never having done so.
@@lucasthehuman9069 What ever you say won't change my mind. Until her company or Hyolyn says something about it farther. I will continue to support her. Everyone so quick to cancel people without know the whole story. Question: Were you there?
@@KpopFeelsMyJams Hyolyn clearly has no intention of telling the whole story. Of course it's impossible to know for sure, but this girl has more to back her up than Hyolyn who just says she doesn't remember. She never admitted to bullying but she did not deny it, and tried to meet with the girl to settle things (most likely bribe her to keep her mouth shut). When that didn't work they threatened to sue. The victim knows she wouldn't have the power or money to go against hyolyn in court, so they were able to force her to keep quiet this way. If she didn't do anything wrong, she would have said so.
Wow. People in the comments, and netizens, are freaking harsh. I guess I'm alone in thinking the whole thing is ridiculous, so I'll leave before I offend people 😅
it’s beyond ridiculous. even if the accusations are true, its like she was 12-13 at the time. you really gonna persecute someone 15 years later for something they did before they even hit puberty?? I’ve done some shitty things as a pre teen, but the way I am now as a GROWN adult I’d never behave that way today. People act like personal growth doesn’t exist. I’m tired of this cancel culture.
I feel like there's no need to be so harsh on hyorin either but I wished she actually owned up to what she did and apologize and move on by showing she has changed now instead of vague statements like "I don't remember. It was too long ago." Like that's just bs to me lol. Had a professor that told us he bullied someone 30 years ago and he still remembers him and wishes he can apologize for what he did.
I have zero tolerance for bullies but This Accuser should have reach out to her agency and inform them she would liked an apology from Hyolyn for bullying her while they were in school why now when she was apart of The girl group SISTAR it's smell fishy🌍
Personally i had to deal with everything by myself here school only cares that you get sufficient scores and move on. In the end im f..ed up personality because i was young and nobody cared.
Even if Hyolin did that in the past, why would this person leak this just now? This whole situation smells fishy to me thoo But bullying aint cool, thats a fact! 😿
@@lucasthehuman9069 Well that makes sense but the big time gap is something I dont get 😯😯 Anyways lets just hope she could find some closure for herself, if thats what happened is true!
This is late, however, if she only made threats like “im gonna beat you up” and never actually did it, or it was just plain teasing, I would agree with you. However, if the accusations is true and she actually did beat up a girl multiple times, then its not something you can just leave. If someone beat you up constantly, wouldn’t you feel some way even if it is a decade later
In Switzerland they don't care. Especially when you are a victim of school girls and female teacher. I was bullied heavely by girls and my female teacher. I said it but everything that came out of my female teacher, was just liars. She said i was a problem child and thanks to her, i was going in small schools with real problematic children(boys only, but they never where mean to me, besides one new boy that stole my fanarts and actually hurt me. He never was punished but i was punished.) Out of all bully, the female teacher took the cake. She digged her nails into me and stuff. I couldn't smile, couldn't joke with a friend, she found everything to bash on me. Never she teached me basic stuff like math of 244 + 236 = ? cause she wanted to care for her very iintelligent children who are fast at learning. Whenever i wanted help, she screeched at me. And as i regonized a ship that is NOT Titanic, she said i was wrong. If she was a male teacher, he would imediately lose his job! The boys in my school spread some mean words but they never touched me. Toxic femininity is real and will follow my life forever! They don't only pull your hair or scratch you, they also kick and destroy your things! And if it's not enough, they manipulate(woman are masters in manipulating and girls learn this by themselfs at a very your age) people so they can tell, i, the crying, buised girl sitting on the ground with messy hair, is the predator. And whenever they didn't touch me, thes brooke me mentally. The adults never believed me, besides my parents. They believed me from the beginning, cause our neighbors from that time in the old apartement, also bullied me. They also where girls. My female teacher didn't want to have my 4 year younger sister, cause she assumed she is also problematic. My sister got a very awesome male teacher with an high patience and understanding. My sister was at her time the top student and since then, my toxic female teacher tried to be nice around me, whenever she saw me.
Schools here claim to care about bullying, but they don’t care tbh.
If were being honest, sadly this is a global issue.
yeah, the teachers themselves are bullies who use physical violence. Messed up.
If she doesnt remember because it happened 15 Years ago, wouldn't that imply that she has been bullying people in some form? Because if she never bullied anyone ever then she wouldve straight denied it..
Not necessarily. I personally wouldn't say "I've never bullied anyone" because, to my memory, I haven't, but to someone else, they may think so. When I was a pre-teen, I had a lot of mental and emotional problems and wasn't always nice. If I'd hurt someone's feelings unintentionally a few times, that person might consider themselves bullied. Or if a joke goes too far. Things like that. People hurt each other unintentionally all the time, but does that make everyone a bully? No. But some may view things differently. Misunderstandings can occur. I don't remember every single incident situation, or conversation in my life, so it's entirely possible I did or said things that upset someone without knowing it. Therefore, I wouldn't outright deny it without knowing more info/details, like of a particular incident.
@@MadCheshireHat i see, goodpoint
CheshireKat I mean if it was a light incident she was accused of then sure , I see your point , but what the alleged victim said sounded pretty hardcore to me , I don’t think you just forget beating up someone multiple times unless you do that all the time which is even worse
@@camilaabigailnunezburgos4907 hm, I hadn't heard any specifics or alleged actions, so I don't know about that. But I mean, yeah, you'd probably remember beating someone, if that indeed happened. 🤷🏻♀️
CheshireKat it was legit in the video saying the claim was that Hyolyn beat the girl up at school and then asked the girl to go a playground near her school to get beat up more.
I agree with your point that we hurt others unintentionally all the time and just forget about it, but this seems more serious than that.
Bullies in school grow up to be bullies in the work place. Not always but it happens. I've been bullied more at work then ever in school. Hope the school system can get control of the situation.
Lisa Metzger bullying in the workplace is even worse because no one reports or cares about adults
Wow lisa hope u doing ok like shit am a teenager but that sounds like shit
@@npcimknot958 for real. these experiences are normalized as "the real world".
the real world does not have to be a world of hate and harrassment.
people who say that are so dense.
You can't remember?! If you never bullied the answer should be no even after 40 years
darkangeABBY dam right!
That's why I don't believe Hyolyn
ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html hyolyns side
People change
Yet nothing was proven so why are u labeling one and innocent and one not
Could you also discuss the persistence of bullying into mandatory military service? I've heard that in the Korean military there were instances of suicide because of the severity of bullying of the initiates. I don't know how that claim aligns with your own personal experiences in the military.
That's called Hazing. As I wouldn't know about what goes on in the south Korean military but I can speak about the USMC (United states marine corp) there's a zero tolerance policy. I have seen people get in serious trouble as my time in the marines comes to an end.
@@bgbbff I understand that the discipline level required to stay in the marines is pretty intense. Perhaps one of the highest of any branch of the military. It does make sense that they would tolerate no shenanigans, and I'm glad to hear this is true. Also, thank you for your service to the country.
I have only heard rumors about bullying (or hazing) in the Korean military, and I cannot say for certain that this happens across the board. But I think it is a contributing factor to why some individuals go to extreme lengths to opt out of mandatory service.
Roy yep, some seniors in the Korean military treat their subordinates with bias and bully some. There’s this thing, idk if it’s true, that it’s better to have a pretty girl visit you in the mandatory military years so that the seniors will look at you in a better light
I was bullied in high school, and at the time, it was not taken seriously. A lot of people didn't really understand even if majority of the 'bullying' doesn't always result to physical, it is how much of the verbal, emotional, and mental abuse can stick and follow you all through your life. I know because I deal with it everyday. However I am fortunate enough that I channel it through therapeutic means like painting, writing, and walking. There was one former bully who had apologized me to me when I met up with her once, all because now HER OWN DAUGHTER is also being bullied and wanted to know how she could deal with it and how I dealt with it when I was being bullied. I feel sorry for the daughter, but I DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR MY FORMER BULLY.
So do I think Hyolyn is a bully? I think so. The victim clearly recounted a lot of the incidents that she carries to this day, which Hyolyn would say she did not 'remember' because of the timeframe. But usually a former bully would deny their 'participation' or their involvement to the incident/s, because they would say the following reasons:
1. We were just kids back then. (doesn't matter if they were kids if they did that, the fact that kids inflict physical and psychological pain to other kids is something concerning to begin with.)
2. It was a long time ago, I don't remember doing that. (bullshit, unless one disassociated and is not aware of him/herself, they do remember. They just deny it.)
3. I don't even know who this person is. (Then why did you pick this person? They MUST REMEMBER THE REASON why they just picked this person to inflict their abuse to. They must be SICK TO THE HEAD if they just picked this person for absolute little to NO REASON.)
Typical excuses.
But eventually they will own up to it, if their reputation is at line.
So I think calling out people who were bullies back then is something I SUPPORT. Because they have to be held accountable to their actions back then and to give the victims a sense of justice or at least closure to the burden they carried from school all the way to adulthood.
camille francisco camille francisco hey I'm sorry you have to go through a lot. Hope you doing Ok now.
camille francisco
I agree. I experienced a similar bullying situation. It can affect you so much mentally that it is possible for you to carry it throughout your lifetime. It’s not always easy to forget. I support as well. I believe an apology would be enough to end a situation like this, that way the bully owns up to what they did and there would be some closure for the one who got bullied.
I agree too
camille francisco
Even though I agree with your statement. But what does the victim achieve by doing this??? Obviously, she wants more than just an apology. Why else would she only chase this up after 15 years??? uhmm for "an apology", she says... yeah right... Im not saying bullying should be justified or ignored, but to ruin someone's career??? An eye for an eye? Then how does that make the victim any better than the bully?
It is this continuous cycle of hate and people being f*cking nosy that makes Korea the most dramatic country.
@@TheRealBZ Hello. I do not have the answer what is generally right or generally wrong. But what I stated above is what I personally think/feel is right in a general circumstance. For the victim, it is to achieve justice and a sense of closure. I know it did for me when one of my former bullies reached out and apologized. We are not friends, but at least I can breathe easier, and my headspace lighter.
And with justice, it is being called out to the actions that inflict physical or psychological pain to others that has lasting effects. It doesn't matter when it would be called out, it had to be. But you are right in how wrong the victim did it. To air it in a public platform for all to see, and to drag the other party's name/reputation/career, when it can be settled privately with no casualty. Perhaps that is where the line between being civil to being brusque blurs. That's where I believe the victim kinda stepped out of line.
However, the difference in the case of Hyolyn is that she is on the higher tier of society, therefore she is seen more on a broader view and her actions monitored in a microscopic level. We wouldn't know exactly what happened between closed doors, or if there were any settlement that happened. But at least in their court, it was already settled. And maybe that is the end of it (I hope.). But it certainly created awareness, bullying was and will never be ok. But it certainly won't be the last time we will hear of it.
Your past does come back to hurt you
How long do you know she did it tho?
@@EssenceEtienne never said she did
Maureen Kalio but your comment is saying that tho? How are you confused?
@@EssenceEtienne no it's not. The comment is only saying that your past is coming back to hurt you in the future
@@kiluvoileib7756 Thank you!!! Someone that understands
Korean American who moved to Korea for a couple years in highschool... Being used to gang violence in LA, and then seeing Korean highschool bullying made me laugh hard. Still really toxic. They need to fix this.
Please tell me more
bgbbff I mean, there’s really not much to tell. I realized that Korean bullying was really more verbal. I find verbal abuse worse in my opinion. I think it’s more toxic, and leads to a side effect like cancer... Just eating you alive. When I first arrived, 90% were really nice to me. I was in Seoul at first, then Daegu. Daegu was a little different. There were the occasional “cool kids”, but I wasn’t impressed. They called me “교포” and “양놈”, but I really wasn’t phased by it. I grew up in LA, so I was used to kids being in group fades (fights), and shootouts. The “cool kids” seemed really cringe to me compared to US “cool kids” in highschool. They’d just spark up a cigarette thinking it’s badass, and just cuss. Not really much of a show. So I couldn’t help but laugh when they tried to target me, or clown me. That eventually pissed them off, and they kinda got physical...? Not to be rude to them, but the “bullies” I experienced can not fight. They are just toxic. I took on 4 guys alone and won. I bet their long winter coats that just dragged them down did not help. But yeah. That’s the main premise of it. Other than that, I didn’t really witness anyone trying to test me or anything. I got along with Korean kids fine. They’re hella nice.
@@meanjune I'm sure if I ever had to attend Korean school, I would probably experience such. And throw my first punches ever. Most bullies are cringe because they feel inadequate in some way(s), and need a realization of their pathetic deeds.
TheNunakun Most should be fine. I’m a extrovert, and I love people and reaching out. I catch a lot of intentional, and unintentional attention. That’s why I was probably a potential target.
Also from Southern California! It's just another day in the Golden State. If someone get dropped, one of your homies might get dropped and it's turns into a fighting frenzy. Most during lunchtime when I was in High school.
I've always felt that bullying is only taken seriously after the damage is done. While is happening people turn around, close their eyes. But when you say what happened in the past everyone's hearts just melts and suddenly they all sympathize with you. That's why bullying is such a big and underestimated problem that doesn't seems to be resolved, even though we're constantly talking and reflecting about it.
People in the comments don't know what the word "accused" means.
Nazareth But accused repeatedly is still a bad look. Plus not remembering because it happening 15 yrs ago is a weak excuse.
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I heard the accusations turned out to be false
@@MADEbySOUL that still doesn’t prove anything like not everything is gonna remember anything 15 15 years ago Ik I wouldn’t 😂
This is a doubtful case but I hope both parties are okay now. A true allegation or not, I just hope they've truly settled this.
@kys I'm not really a fangirl. For me, both of them are pretty doubtful. It's pretty suspicious that Hyolyn couldn't remember but we can't say that everyone has a good memory, so who knows. The knetizen's evidences could be true but this can also be falsified (the chats, but the photos can't ofc) (there are cases like this, like what happened to Lovelyz's Jisoo in 2014). Anyway, I had hoped that they investigated this more but if the two parties are now okay then we can't do much about it.
why is doubtful?
Ellery Rillaine The entertainment company was threatening to sue, so to me it doesn't feel settled, it feels more like the victim was intimidated by far more powerful people into dropping her claim.
@@lucasthehuman9069 I could see that happening. It's pretty disappointing to know that they just swept this under the mat. It is technically "settled" and we'll never hear about this issue again (maybe someone will come forward again or maybe not).
I get what you mean when you say it’s doubtful. If you can’t prove these claims, then I’m not inclined to believe you. If all your proof is that you went to the same school, that really doesn’t prove anything.
Bullies don’t deserve to succeed, I know I won’t be supporting any. They have to learn sooner or later that their actions have consequences.
If that person has changed and has apologized, then why tf keep canceling, calling them out and remind them about what they've done IN THE PAST?
Like... First of all acting like is foolish and childish and second of all it doesn't makes that person that criticizes better than the bully they criticize that much...
@@moonie2222 You do realize childhood attitudes follow you to adulthood. She's most likely not sorry for what she did, but sorry it came out into the limelight. If you do something that damaging and hurtful to somebody, why should you, of all people who work even harder and who want success more than you can imagine, why should you get to come out at the top? Thing is you must have a clean slate or others with one will take your place. And not to mention how painful it must be to see your tormentor as a successful idol.
Moonchild hon' Moonchild hon' if somebody claimed they wanted to commit su**ide because of all the things their bully did to them going all the way back to middle school and until high school, then that bully shouldnt be forgiven so easily. If bullying goes to the extent of a victim wanting to k*ll themselves then that should be a serious problem, not just something that could easily be apologized for. Not just one but multiple victims came out and told similar stories after what Hyolin did to them. Although this wasnt said in the video, theres a lot more videos covering this. I hope you understand why she cant be forgiven so easily for her actions.
@@moonie2222 It's called karma, what goes around comes around. What she did in her past has consequences and will come back to haunt her.
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I have been bullied for years & even tho it is in the pass it still hurts to talk about it. Im glad Korea takes bullying REALLY serious while come places take it just serious. Kpop back in the day was my way to forget about the bullying ( I was even bullied for liking kpop and anime but I dont care now ) .
I see tons of comments stating they "CARE" about bullying, but I'm sure most of them turn a blind eye or pretend didn't see it happen.
That's kinda crazy to think someone's whole career could be in jeopardy based on something that might be a lie. Not saying it isn't true, but who knows?
sleepy
That’s what I was thinking 🤔
apparently in seungri's case he is innocent? (i still needa research ok) we all know his chance of any career went DOWN the drain
lil egg oh no he’s super guilty, he’s just being protected by the dirty police and business men he was involved with
@@gigigiooo really? well i was always wondering why the business men aren't ratted out. i had a lot of people telling me off on this one video which was just very vague about the issue and never really specified if he IS innocent in any way when my comment only sounded slightly biased towards the side of him being guilty. i guess they were wrong then
lil egg there are lots of fans still defending him however this issue isn’t just about him hiring prostitutes, this is deeply rooted in corruption inside the Gangnam district, and it goes way back. Powerful people are involved in this case but it’s obvious that Seungri is being shielded by someone, it makes no sense that the guys in old in the same group chats as he are getting prosecuted and he isn’t.
To be honest, even if the accusation is true, I would like to think that Hyolyn has changed. It doesn't excuse her past actions, but we have all made mistakes as kids. I have been both the victim and bully in my school years and am not proud of it. Now I do my best to try and advocate against bullying, school violence because I've seen both sides.
It's hard to know if the accusations are true or not because of how famous they are. I do like Hyolyn and see her as a good person so I hope this is false.
Kassandra Bonilla I hope this is false too for Hyolyn's sake but I feel like if she did do it and she changed, an apology would be better than threatening to sue.
i just hoped that if it is true, she learns from her past, and changes into a better person. Also, she needs to sincerely apologize
Lol why would people support a bully, but not jay park when he was just having a hard time during trainee years
Kassandra Bonilla ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html it is not true look at this..
@@lworc and you should shut up she doesn't owe you an apology did she bully you?
I was being bullied by my own brother, mentally and physically as a child. Everyday I need to find ways to escape for him. It get worse when my parents not around. They think it's normal to have fight within siblings. I attempted countless of run away from home cause I though no one love me and care about me. And if I go maybe they will be more happy without me. At one time I just so traumatise with "man" and I just hate them so much for disturbing my life. I even avoid to have conversation with male's classmate. My childhood was very depressive moment for me. I think as a child, It really influence them to grow up as a person. Even though I am a grown up women now, I couldn't escape from the trust issue to all man near me. I look very happy from the outside but I don't let them close to my heart cause I'm truly afraid they will hurt me in any ways. Because of my brother was an asshole in the past, I grew up to be very independent and some time I thought that maybe I don't need any man in my life to survive. Luckily I don't fucked up my life because of him cause I think it's not worthy and the only way to make him piss off to show that I'm better than him. I don't hate my own brother and I forgive him for that cause he changed a lot since my dad passed away and take care of my family more than anyone else. But still, it's impossible to forget about everything he had done to me. Bullies might be small issue within family but actually it really shapes their personality and so on as a person. If you make something wrong to someone, you should apologise for making them suffering for their whole life. That could save someone from going thru hell. If you see someone get bullies, stands for them. Cause that the only way to keep them stronger. If I don't have my supportive foster parents and my childhood friends, I might not be who I am today. Thanks you for that.
So I am from the United States. And I will be honest, in High School I was a bully because I was too concieted about being the football captain. After a leg injury I recieved, I went through a time of humbleness. My head cooled down and I stopped looking down at others, and learn to help and accept them. Now I am an adult with a job and recently a friend of mine described me as a "humble person". I told him about my past and he told me, "it doesn't matter who your were but who you are at this very moment". I can't really judge Hyolyn for who she was in the past and I am sure she regrets this part of her life even if it might be true. But people change and learn. As for the victim, why now after 15 years does she bring this up in public? I dont know. The victim wants a sincere apology but on the internet through DM? A sincere apology is through person. Surely after 15 years she can give Hyolyn a chance. Still this seems too opportunist to me.
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The accuser's evidence is pretty insubstantial. Pictures of the graduation album don't prove anything. The texts only show one side of the conversation. Hyolyn wanted to talk in person, but the accuser wanted everything to be done via DMs, that seemed like a red flag to me. If you really wanted an apology, it would be much more satisfying to have it done in person, not through a screen. Sure, Hyolyn saying she doesn't remember what happened 15 years ago is a weak defense, but who remembers everything from 15 years ago? Memories can change over time and are especially changed due to our perception of things, how we thought 15 years ago is different from now. Both might remember different versions of the events. If Hyolyn did do those things I will be disappointed in her. Bullying is harmful and needs to be stopped. Schools need to take it more serious as it can cause serious damage to the student's self-esteem, confidence, and their lives.
That's what I thought. At most, she proved they went to the same school and she'd tried to contact her. So?
It's hard to prove bullying from years ago. Even if she got beat up, any physical wounds are gone obviously. I think a missing point is that the victim is saying she got beat up constantly for years, so if Hyolyn didn't do it, I think she'd remember...
Also, would you want to meet the person who beat you up and stepped on you, making you feel helpless and small when you were a kid? That victim is probably a shy introvert type to begin with cause those are the types that gets outcasted a lot in Korea... She probably didn't want the attention of meeting a huge celebrity in public...
@@lucasthehuman9069
There had have been witnesses and likely other victims. To strengthen and validate her case, she could've found or tried to find others willing to come forward as a united front. If no one wanted to, she could have at least mentioned that and not made it all about her and her perspective, which isn't very credible alone.
I think assuming the girl's personality doesn't make sense and, honestly, is rather pointless.
So, if she didn't want to meet with Hyolyn and get an apology in person, what did she want then? I thought she was the one who wanted to meet, also, but maybe I'm mistaken. Either way, I think being "afraid" of meeting the person who bullied her 15 years ago is a very poor argument/defense because she went way out of her way to get Hyolyn's attention; I can't believe that she'd do so if she was so scared of confronting her. The whole purpose of her actions was to confront and "expose" Hyolyn, so it doesn't make much sense to /not/ want to meet her. I feel that if you're going to go through so much trouble of proving yourself and trying to contact a celebrity, you're probably going to want more than a written apology, but maybe not--maybe that's all she wanted. I don't know.
However, I suppose I could understand if she chickened out last minute. Still, I don't think that's any excuse for not showing up after getting what you wanted/were looking for.
Also, I don't think they would've met like, in the middle of a crowded area. I'm sure there are places where they could've met for privacy.
@@MadCheshireHat To add to that, they probably weren't going to be alone either, Hyolyn was probably going to be accompanied with her agent or manager or whoever is in charge of overseeing cases like this, and the accuser most likely would have taken someone else with her as well.
@@lucasthehuman9069 Watch this - Hyolyns side ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html she explain why she did no go publicly... she did not do it.
If you were a bully when you were young or you used to hang out with bullies then the guilt of it probably affect you (If you think you did wrong) which is hard to forget.
If she in the wrong here then She should have apologised, all was asked of was an apology Via twitter.
Just found out that the op was a bully in the past too, she took the post down because someone called her out.
well that just confirms my theory i guess. they wanted to sue the accuser for defamation if she is the bully herself lol
I think you need to consider the bigger picture. If she had apologized (whether true or not) the accuser could have used the dm as digital evidence that she was a bully and still tried to sue or just end her career. That's why she wanted to meet in person. I think the company knew that too. Messaging an apology is dangerous and if it was just about an apology a personal meeting is more sincere to me.
@@kierar2062 And it kills me that ppl wait until a person gets famous to speak about something that happened decades ago..
Caffeinated Monbebe ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html Hyolyn side she did not do it
at this rate someone is gonna have their career destroyed because they broke someone's toy when they were 1 year old.
bullying is wrong, and yes bullies deserve to be punished, when they bully people, not after they have matured and probably dont do that anymore. but i think these days people are just using it as an excuse to destroy people's career.
if you want an apology that much, approach the person and demand an apology, not mess up their whole life because of what they did when they were younger.
lewakaioppa jong Thank you! One of the few commenters with common sense
Where I grew up, bullying wasn’t organised and most students were either not inclined to bully or they were kinda bad at it? I was bullied and it did get so bad that I changed schools, but that wasn’t a terribly difficult thing to do. So I don’t think bullying was as big of an issue. I’m familiar with the severity of school bullying in Korea though, and it makes me sad. It isn’t an easy social issue to address.
I agree, the details do sound quite odd.
Wasn't there a followup that the original ''victim'' was said to be the bully themselves, by other people?
Nika Savina that’s what I thought too, I’m glad to hear I wasn’t mistaken.
@superioryena wow, it's really easy to deceive you, be careful...
@superioryena Of course she is a bully. Do you think a person who has never bullied anyone in their life would claim they "don't remember what happened"? No! They would say "I've never done that in my entire life, I'll be suing for defamation"
@superioryena wow, you're easily convince with literally no evidence whatsoever
@@irenesleatherpants that statement, though poorly worded, was an exuse for the company to save face from both sides. Kind of like saying a statement without saying anything. Tbh they should've just ended at "We're looking into it." but they worded it badly. It doesn't mean she was definitely a bully.
I am a victim of bully since i was in primary school and junior high school, and no one cared about me except myself ,nor my mother (my beloved father has passed away), and my teacher don't know about this too and they even don't care about their students.
Now i became a teacher, and i'm so stricted about bully. Everytime my student fight, i always cared and make them gets better. I always cared about my students so much because i was a bully victim.
But, someday, and i don't know there are one of my student got bullied. And i tried to make everything better. But i failed. The other students don't want befriends with student(victim) anymore. So she (victim) said to her parents that it was my fault (me as a teacher). And her parents said it to school chief. Suddenly i got warning and thereatened to fired. Oh god, finally i know why teacher don't care too much about students, because they can got into trouble if they just handle the bully victim. So, for you the bully victim, don't make your teacher got fired just because handling your problem!!! You don't know that she/he(teacher) have a lot thing to care, not only you!!!!
That sucks.
For what it's worth, I have nothing but respect and admiration for teachers and I think that it's genuinely one of the toughest jobs out there.
@@dajoler Thank You so much. Your words encouraged me.
karma always comes to haunt the guilty. The fact that the incident has been "settled privately" instead of "the accuser has been sued by the company" screams that SOMETHING must have gone on.
medusax ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html Hyolyns side
First of all, Hyolyn not being able to remember what she did fifteen years ago is absolute BS. If you were a school bully, you would know. That being said, the fact that these people are being punished for what they did as immature children is absolutely ridiculous. I was bullied as a child and I learned to grow from it. I took those experiences and made sure to become a better person than those who bullied me. The fact that these people can't seem to move on from what happened to them as children seems like they have personal issues they need to work on themselves, not drag others down with them. At the end of the day, they're becoming the bullies they hated when they were kids.
That's exactly how I feel. I grew a lot from my experiences, although unpleasant to say the least. Over time, you do move on, and if you don't, well... :/ And publicly doing something like this is definitely not something I can respect.
That was amazingly worded. I never thought of it like that tbh my issue was the ”accusation” somehow being brought up. After so many years, I've always been a sister and hyolyn fan and someone who has been a victim of bullying. But for people to not like her anymore due to childish act when did as A KID is dumb. Looking through these comments I can tell these are some haters of hers that were waiting for this opportunity to hate her.
CheshireKat Same thing I was always bullied and had some unpleasant memories. Though growing up wasn't the kindest I learned to also love myself. I'm not going to search up my 5th bullied and hunt his success down that's dumb. For people to say this is karma and she's going to lose her career over 15 years old thing is plain stupid and she's not the only idol to experience this.
Hyolyn saying she doesn't remember also shows her character though. If she didn't do it, just deny it, and if she did, just apologize.
I agree you'd be the bigger person for letting it go although bullying in Korea goes deep, and it's like everyday consistently for years in the same school. Kids legit transfer schools cause of bullying. It's hard to say.
@dave
The victim just wanted a simple Twitter apology, like who are you to judge them for that, are you her? If not then you probably don't know how she handles trauma and an apology might help her. Also she kept the matter private first and only made it public after hyolyn threatened her.
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Karma will always find a way. If she has done this, this will end her career. If she is innocent, the accuser will receive their punishment
@Yuju Waterbottle Maybe in this life u can escape but not in the afterlife. Anyway guilt will always come and hunt them and will never be at peace
Why should end her career? Just because She did some mistace as a teenager She should stop singing? She maybe got one live worse but makeing milions better through her Positive music. You Are not the one who has right to say someones career Is ovet!!! In adition this is between Hyo And the acuser And they allready setle this So why Are You guys still on it? let IT go pls. You people Are So toxic..
@@fhzmn She is an IDOL someone to look up to. If she really did bully someone and did NOT do a sincere apology then she does not deserve to be one. And yes, it is up to the fans on whether or not she keeps her career because without fans she's nothing
@Yuju Waterbottle I believe it does, just doesn't as quickly as we'd like
@@gourmand3 I am her fan And alwais Will be, you obviously not So She would not miss much. And how you dont know that She did not Apology - maybe during the setlement She Said sorry to her.. And also Is quite obvious that the accuser wanted only money So I gues She Is happy know - And I dont see any Reason why Hyo should apologies publicly She did not bully all of you 😉..
The fact that she doesn't 'remember' says everything to me. If you never did, you would deny it vehemently and you wouldn't need to be reminded. And for those stans out here apologizing on behalf of their bias, saying things like 'we'll I'm sure she learned her lesson, she is older now', it's NOT YOUR APOLOGY TO GIVE! Only the victim is allowed that. And how can you learn from something you've never owned up to or apologized for? Nah gtfo with that entire mess!
TR. Ford ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html Hyolyns side
Cant remember...i dont know why i laughed so hard 🤣🤣 ...bruuhh ...how cant you not remember beating people up .
JJ w ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html look at this - Hyolyns side - she did not do it..
What is going on in korea😞
She has an excellent relationship with the Sistar members after many years and her current employees/dancers seem to be very at ease around her. I have no doubt that she has a strong personality, which I think she would admit, but I don't see any real evidence of a bully mentality or the results of it.
hyolyn is the one bullied, I don't see any bully mentality with her, what you said is true, bully people cannot have a strong relationship that will last a long time.
I love you so much. For real. Please keep up the good work. You're the best and it's amazing how we finally get the information from a Korean about what's going on in Korea.
Bullying is clearly an issue that needs more attention... and it is something that teachers and school directors are doing their best to reduce and check in schools here. They seriously care (at least, the teachers I've met and spoken with), although I believe they are not all properly trained to deal with bullies.
As for whether I believe whether Hyorin used to bully or not? No idea... Never met her, and forging an opinion solely through videos is not enough for me. I just hope she wasn't... for her sake as well as the peers she may (or may not) have bullied.
I don't believe accusations that come out years and years later in general. And even if they're true it's been so long most likely the people have changed
@Jay Morales
If you saw your bully being praised as a god of goodness, pretty sure your trauma will be back. Also if she was innocent, she would have said 'ive never done anything like that' instead of 'i don't remember'. She also didn't change cause it was exposed that she tried to bully the victim into shutting up.
she wanted an apology via dm so she can post it online as proof. Idk man bullying is serious but... it's so many years later and idk i just feel like the accusations might be heavily exaggerated. idk man
I went to school in China and bullying(not intense) was quite the norm, I remember a few of my female friends and I bullied a quiet boy by throwing away a drawing he drew and he cried. I did feel guilty at the time but I forgot about it a few days later...now that i think about it, it's so fucked up. I was bullied several times by bigger girls and I bullied others as well, the teachers only protected those who got good marks and belittled those who got bad marks. I went back to visit and some of my friends who are in Highschool and they are in actual 'gangs' where they go to other schools and fight with other gangs, it's crazy, I will never want to go back to school in China.
I was bullied since elementary to highschool. Now that I'm 20, me and my bully were so close that we just laugh when we talk about the past. It's all about forgiveness my people and maturity. Don't hold grudges but let the karma hit them.
Easy for you to say. Bullying in korea is much much worse. Imagine seeing your bully famous and successful. You will just suffer and become depressed. Not all humans are tough nuts
Pelvis Helvis with all due respect, Hyung Staaph is correct. As a professional with advanced Pysch degree...letting go & forgiveness is personal choice that victims of bullying must employ to move forward in a healthy manner. Minors aren’t jailed for certain offenses as adults for a reason.
For bullying, 15-20 years later victim is still harboring anger to Hyolyn is far more dangerous than anything. The victims state they want a sincere apology but deep down that’s never the case. I see this daily.
Clear your mind, release that energy, and move on with their lives.
MsNikkiCrucio for all your expertise, I suspect that you weren't severely bullied. 🙄
@Shleeck ahh not really, if the person truely change then i don't really see the problem
In my school there weren't any hardcore bullies cause our school management was pretty strict. But even tho there was still a lot of verbal bullying that happened and nobody rralised this was also a form of bullying including me, but now when I look back it feels like we were bullies unknowingly.
I haven't been into kpop since 2012 but I will always like learning about other cultures. (Yes, this counts as a culture by how a country treats its people in whatever job they have). I knew how bad school bullying was in S.Korea but I didn't think it would affect someone's career. It makes sense by the awful stories, articles, and people I've talked to there has said what they've seen or been through. This is just me but I think its better to just apologize rather sue them. Yeah, that label will be with you for the rest of your life but this will kinda make it worse.
S. Korea doesn't have much bullying in schools... Idk where u get ur info from
If S.Korea didn't have much bullying in schools then why are they saying is this issue so bad.
@@kittyythecat bcs it's a rare thing
@@kiluvoileib7756 uh huh.... So then the high amount of suicide rates from students in S.Korea is fake, right?
Look, if you wanna make yourself happy by saying that then go by all means. Bullying is everyone and just sometimes worse in some places than others.
@@kittyythecat high suicide rate is bcs of their low self esteem bruh😂😂
No surprise that there are bullies in such a competitive industry. They're already used to pushing people down so why not do it for fame, money and recognition. It probably an advantage even.
I wonder about those idols who are literally bullied after they become successful . Why no one talks about these idols who are threatened by faceless netizens?? Of course a bully should be punished for what they did but when these allegations turns out to be fake ,why no one talks about them?? Hyolyn definitely didn't handle the case properly but if you look at this matter properly the one who called herself "victim" turned out to be a real bully. Old classmates of hyolyn came in her defence and yet many netizens still calls her a bully! Well everyone says not to judge a book by it's cover and yet they do it . It's easy to put allegations n speak ill of others but when these allegations are turned out to be false no one, not a single soul cares to talk about it .
My captions was on for some reason and he said : hyolin
It translated as : PUDDING 😂 I am dying 😭😭😂😂😂
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Regardless it’s true or not, happens in the past or present, bullies is not cool and never be, it’s also leave such big impact and damage to the victims whether it’s mentally, physically and emotionally
I think hyolyn is innocent. Just because she has a personality that is fierce and intimidating doesn't mean she bullies or hurt people. She's like jessie and cheeta in a way fierce, strong, intimidating and sweet.
jha zacaria I don't understand why she would say she can't remember rather than just straight up denying the accusations if she's certain she's never bullied before.
@@lucasthehuman9069 you will understand it if you watched old video's of her on programs (I am talking about from a few years ago). They often asked her things about the past and she said many times that she can't remember certain things that happened a long time ago. I don't understand why people can switch so fast from positive to negative if they hear something bad that wasn't even proved TF. Anyways I believe that she is innocent I just went to her concert and she is so kind and real.
welly knowles Her saying she doesn't remember things means when there's things she doesn't want to answer, that's what she says... I'm not positive or negative about her cause I'm not her fan, but I feel we can't just blindly worship idols and trust everything they say. They might be beautiful, but it doesn't mean they have better personalities and are impervious to making mistakes...
@@lucasthehuman9069 Watch this - Hyolyns side ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html she explain why she did no go publicly... she did not do it.
I wish school bullying was taken seriously in England like it is in Korea, through my entire educational life I was bullied and physically abused for all sorts of reasons. One of them being because I’m adopted and no one ever did anything no matter how many times I went and complained
Bullying is bad.. l just wonder who ever open this long past chapter of her life is doing it because Hyolyn is a successful entertainer or is it concocted by someone whose interested to gain, l hope Hyolyn is much better now, she seem to have a mature character, and hope if this allegation is true, the person who felt mistreated is well.
So hyolyn company said they will sue the person for ruining her image and bam all of the sudden her IP address was blocked and all the images from her dm was gone... you know before you upload a picture to the website that is saved inside your pc or wherever it was first stored. Now shes claiming she lost it after the website deleted her info without her consent??? Ut was first believable and there was a slight chance she may have been a bully but after hearing you could get sued for these false accusations clearly they made it up and trying to cover up the story.
Unfortunately, bullying is not taken seriously in my country and it should be treated the same as in Korea. I’ve been bullied through all my school years .. 12 years of hell.
I hope that youre better off now then before! Time heals
This girl should met up with hyorin and talk to eacht other. It's ridiculous to just want a apology in a chat.
Netune you wouldn't want to meet up with the person who beat u up constantly back in the day. Even after 10 years, there's probably still a part of the victim that feels so small and weak.
Netune The victim could be spotted and subsequently harassed by mentally disturbed fans to the point where she'd kill herself. Look at the angles a bit better.
Pls do a video abt the sewol ferry !!
i haven't seen as such (beating someone) nor heard of it happened inside our school premise. ..outside the school?maybe(?)..verbally sometimes, but not the above average type, just something nonsense that you can just shrug off and let the bully rot with his/her/their words.. i haven't seen anyone willing to be trampled, its like tease-me-i'll-tease-you, beat-me-i'll-beat-you, break-me-i'll-break-you... or people here are just kind(?) lol..or bullies are just not as capable of breaking someone, like the trying hard bully(can i even call them bully?lol)... or maybe the teachers in our school are just handling it too well- they're always open and fair.
Bully rules are more stricter now, so of course bullies have gotten sneakier, like course you won't see it happening in the middle of a hallway, ain't no bullies dumb like that.
I was bullied when i was in elementary school.. but it's okay.. life must go on. And i don't fu*king care 'bout the life of people who bullied me. I just focus on myself and my future
She not bully, she just human www.soompi.com/article/386396wpp/sistar-hyorins-best-friend-stole-her-first-love
Plus I have a question for the victims of bullying, has it never occurred to you to change schools or something. Like I see it in the kdramas a student would get relentlessly bullied, but come to school every day and not think to switch schools or tell their parents. Maybe it’s different in the states but we tell our parents everything.
I did. My mom and I got so fed up with the BS at my school that went on for a few years that I went back to home school since the principal didn't care, and in fact suggested that picking on me was a way to "get to know me." I remember sitting there, only 13 years old, stunned at such a preposterous idea. If you want to get to know someone, you ask them questions, talk to them. Not humiliate them. Duh. Even a socially inept introvert like me knows that much. To have a grown man tell me it's all friendly was ridiculous. I wasn't bullied like it's portrayed in fiction, but all the head games and ridiculousness still took a toll on me, especially as an ADHD, Bipolar introvert struggling with her own issues.
Anyway... Not everyone can switch schools. Some areas don't have a lot of options, especially rural areas. You'd need to have parental support to do so, and unfortunately, not all "parents" are willing to provide that.
This is so heartbreaking, I never knew it was this hard to deal with bullying externally. I appreciate you guys for being strong enough to share your stories❤️
@lamice tilib,
Are you seriously victim blaming? In Korea, parents puts their kids into the best hs that they can find and afford cause good hs = good college = good job. So if a child talk to parents about wanting to move schools because of bullying, then parents might get real angry and tell them to just take it cause they sacrificed lot to put them into this nice ass school which will apparently be good for their future.
Memories are evidence, albeit sometimes hazy or even untrue. Internet and virtual data storage, on the other hand, are a permanent record. Glad to see some retribution these days. Stay decent, people. Mistakes can be corrected.
There are bully here in the USA for sure. Asian and blacks, and poor kids get bully by the rich kids or the more popular kids. But there are strength in numbers... stand together and crush them.. I was never bullied but I would not sit by and watch it happen ether... I am mixed race, so being mix race you can be bullied from both side. Not black enough or you are not white, so they don't want to be friends with you. But I had family. A big family. 11 kids in all. 7 boys and 4 girls. So we never got picked on. It feels way better to help those who can not protect themselves... Thank you for all the great videos you post. I will keep watching and hope to visit 1 days soon. I would love to see a video on mix kids growing up in Korea... When I visit I plan on trying to help mix Korean kids that have been left by their parents because of them being mix.. I will keep my eye out to see what you come up with if you do... Until then, Peace, Love, and Soul!!!!
If it wasn't true all she has to say is that it isn't true why would there be a settlement if it wasn't true.
I believe that it happened but I also believe that she has grown and isn't that kind of person anymore.
Instead of being in denial, I hope her fans come to realize that bullying and harrassment even as a kid in school can come back to bite you.
Bruh, think about how internet netizens would react no matter what you'd say if you're accused.
case 1: "I didn't do that"
- people go "Liar" "She's denying it!!" "Stop lying" and all that stuff
case 2: "I don't know"
- people would still go "Liar" "She's denying it!!" "Stop lying" and all that stuff
case 3: "I did that, sorry"
- people would go "I knew it, ", "I'm so disappointed in you" and all that stuff.
Welcome to the internet, where 90% of users never seem to lose interest on hating, bullying or doing bad to someone just because they're behind the screen.
@@sevy700 Gen Z are obsessed with cancelling everyone in the internet even without evidence.
On my school days we call that ”estigma” making fun of something your colleague is using or did but never his social condition or mental illness. If I think the real meaning of bullying so I was bullies but I didn’t took seriously because were normal between us even do I didn’t the same to others and when I was starting getting mad they stopped.
Watching Kdrama bullies I always thought that things were exaggerated for entertainment purposes but it’s actually really upsetting to see that that’s not the case
As a Korean American, i have experienced a mild form of bullying, but nothing too serious compared to Korea. I heard stories where pretty girls would get bullied from the other girls. I've heard brutal stories.
Personally, I don't believe it, but this situation sounds really sketchy. I myself can barely remember what happened to me 5 years ago, so forgetting about something that happened 15 years ago isn't shocking. As someone who has been bullied, I do remember when and how it happened, but the details become blurred as years pass and I start to forget who was responsible. Look, if Hyolyn really bullied the girl, she should just apologize and if not, the girl in question should apologize. Hell, who's to say this girl is just a jealous person who wants to get back at her for having something she never got or maybe Hyolyn used to be a friend of hers and she let her down someway. Until there's more evidence, I'm siding with Hyolyn. No one should have their careers destroyed over rumors. We have more than enough of that here in the US.
bro where du live n where did u buy the sofa behind you?
lmao
If it’s all true, then an apology would’ve been enough. People need to own up to what they did. It’s a part of growing up. I find it odd how Hyolyn went from “I don’t remember” to something like “I will sue you.” Not a wise move on her part.
The sueing part might've been her legal team or whatever and not her directly. I don't know. Things are complicated with celebrities.
CheshireKat
I see. Well.. I don’t think that was a smart thing to do. People are already speculating negatively because of that lol
superioryena
Yep exactly
superioryena
I see. Well, seems like her company made a fishy move
@@MadCheshireHat
No it was from her, she first tried to befriend the victim and asked about her address and stuff so that she can visit and talk about it. But when she got the info she went too faced and immediately tried to sue her. The matter was going to be handled in privacy, but after that, the victim shared all the text messages online.
Shes been a idol for how long and now this is coming out who cares
This is why you should think before you do something..
I had scandal in school before idr much. I told principal that people are bothering me (bullying) and she said because i am the problem. Till this day I still think I'm the problem and deserves it. My school completely brainwashed me to think that I'm not good enough. Ahahaha. . . . Help
I am usually on the victim's side but this story seems pretty sketchy to me... I mean, I found it weird that years after the events the presumed victim comes back publicly and asks for an apology. 15 years isn't nothing... Maybe it's part of a therapy the victim follows???
Godzeela Raaawr for real me too
I don’t understand how people in Korea can treat women like half people but when someone’s a bully their careers are over.
Haven't really seen any case of bullying here in my area of germany
It will not happen if the victim are more successfull than the bullies. See the people that you think cruel became successfull, make the victim kinda mad and jealous. In other hand, maybe the victim didn't know, maybe the bullies are change, became good person, becama the child that proud their parents, the victim never knows what the bullies doing to get their successfull, hardworking everyday and did not enjoy their childhood time. Time passed and you still became you " the victim" and accused other people "why my life is suck".
If you get bullies, please be forgivefull person maybe the person who bullies you are didn't know what they do and say, cause they are not immature.
I get bully in my school, one day i met the bullies and we greet each other, she apologize to me, saying that she didn't immature that time. I just laugh, cause i know since she bullied me i think she get problem in her home and can't act mature.
Sorry for my grammar and i hope you understand.
Lmao its so funny how they(people that got bullied) just reported that this year bc she got more famous or bc she is a celebrity. Even if the bullying happen, they could just settle down and talk about it. No need to go public with it and i think these people are trying to get something from her idk maybe money etc...
Like honetly of all 15 years, she literally showed up 2019 when she could have done it in the past 10 years or less. Maybe bc hyolyn wasnt famous that time. Thats why they did it this year to gain attention and bc of the scandal happening around korea
dimple J yeah blame it on the person who was bullied. That’s the right thing to do 🙂
@@julynightowl7413 lmao ain't blaming on her. I read more article about it and she tried to report it but it didnt work bc sistar was really famous so police didnt took it but then this year 2019 finally came out bc of what is happening in Korea all these drugs, sexual assault and everything
When I heard about this I remembered that time Tao yelled at trainees for not being kind hearted
The situation with the Produce X 101 participant Yoon Seobin was that he was found to have not been guilty for bullying. He only admitted to drinking underage. That’s all. Both teachers and friends of his had come out in his defense but the culture was so strong that they decided to cancel him before the truth came out. And now his career is ruined as an idol even though he did not bully.
I watch so many Korean drama's and it astonishes me that bullying in Korean high school is very verbal and then physical The Penthouse season 1 and season 2 those kids were bullying 3 girls and it was not teasing it was more like attempted murder instead of 'oh you are fat' like some people might say to someone in England
Damn, that sucks
People change uknow
I’m America they don’t give a crap, kids and killing them selves because of bullying and schools come up with some lame ass excuse.. so parents are taking it in their own hands and fighting back.. a women in California went into her daughter class and told off the bullies.. let’s just say after she went on a rant they never touch her daughter again....
For me when my son was 7 some punk kid tried to bully my son, let’s just say the school found out how far I’m willing to take things for my son..
If it is true she was a school bully it would be a real shame and seems it would destroy her career. I'm a low-key 'fan' of hers, I think she has an amazing voice.
Afterthought: Why is this coming out soooo many years later, they tryna ruin her shine? Should have have been left where it was....in the past and if closure was needed still; it could have been done in private.
I think it's pretty dumb to lose your entire career over something that happened over 15 years ago when Hyolyn was still a teen and let's be real here; we've all done something dumb as teenagers whether we want to admit it or not.
@@jasmithyantro9680 very true
Thats funny, Hyolyn is the Bruce Lee of K pop, she's barely 5 foot. I guess when your rich everyone comes out of the woodshed. She is a very confident person, sometimes people mistake sarcasm with the truth. When your little you tend to defend yourself with your mouth. To the people who get their feeling hurt easily and make up lies to feel good about themselves, grow up. To the people who were actually bullied, your safer in numbers, so make friends.
Is this why she couldn't come to Norway to celebrate the 60 year connection between us?
I mean people change honestly. You can’t hold something over someone’s head that was over 15 years ago that’s stupid. If the victim is okay and they both don’t care about it anymore then stop bringing it up. The same thing happened to with jimin and honestly they both settled it so what the hell is the problem. No one is dead. She never even admitted to it. All I’m saying is that holding something over someone’s head after over 3 years of it being done is stupid.
But on the other hand, jimin is a different entity
She never learned
Mi gay yea you don’t know that. There’s no proof she bullied anyone else but Mina
@@migay4537 this did NOT age well
@@migay4537 lol funny how jimin is innocent and mina is a whole a$$ clown
I believe Hyolyn. People do anything these days for money and attention.
KpopFeels MyJams why didn't she just deny then? She just said she doesn't remember, but if she didn't beat someone up, I think you'd remember never having done so.
@@lucasthehuman9069 What ever you say won't change my mind. Until her company or Hyolyn says something about it farther. I will continue to support her. Everyone so quick to cancel people without know the whole story. Question: Were you there?
@@KpopFeelsMyJams Hyolyn clearly has no intention of telling the whole story. Of course it's impossible to know for sure, but this girl has more to back her up than Hyolyn who just says she doesn't remember. She never admitted to bullying but she did not deny it, and tried to meet with the girl to settle things (most likely bribe her to keep her mouth shut). When that didn't work they threatened to sue. The victim knows she wouldn't have the power or money to go against hyolyn in court, so they were able to force her to keep quiet this way.
If she didn't do anything wrong, she would have said so.
Jae If the “victim” had more to backup why did she delete the post later and make multiple accounts to just make hyolyn look bad
@@KpopFeelsMyJams Watch this - Hyolyns side ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html she explain why she did no go publicly... she did not do it.
Wow. People in the comments, and netizens, are freaking harsh. I guess I'm alone in thinking the whole thing is ridiculous, so I'll leave before I offend people 😅
It just goes to how toxic cancel culture is.
It definitely is ridiculous... trust me you’re not the only one thinking this.
I agree, this is getting out of hand.
it’s beyond ridiculous. even if the accusations are true, its like she was 12-13 at the time. you really gonna persecute someone 15 years later for something they did before they even hit puberty?? I’ve done some shitty things as a pre teen, but the way I am now as a GROWN adult I’d never behave that way today. People act like personal growth doesn’t exist. I’m tired of this cancel culture.
I feel like there's no need to be so harsh on hyorin either but I wished she actually owned up to what she did and apologize and move on by showing she has changed now instead of vague statements like "I don't remember. It was too long ago." Like that's just bs to me lol. Had a professor that told us he bullied someone 30 years ago and he still remembers him and wishes he can apologize for what he did.
Oh please....this should have surfaced since SISTAR debuted.
MsBeautybargainista THANK YOU
15 years ago smhhhh
So? If a thing happened years ago means it didn't happen?
Bullying is not okay.. Never. It doesn't only damage a person once.. It affect their entire life
15 yrs?
I have zero tolerance for bullies but This Accuser should have reach out to her agency and inform them she would liked an apology from Hyolyn for bullying her while they were in school why now when she was apart of The girl group SISTAR it's smell fishy🌍
Personally i had to deal with everything by myself here school only cares that you get sufficient scores and move on. In the end im f..ed up personality because i was young and nobody cared.
I wanna know if it’s true or not cuz it just sounds like he said she said to me
I’m the dramas they always make school bullying really extreme I didn’t know it’s actually true tho 😧
An interesting topic.... a current topic in my homeland.
Innocent till proven guilty 💁😒😑🔇🔕
Even if Hyolin did that in the past, why would this person leak this just now?
This whole situation smells fishy to me thoo
But bullying aint cool, thats a fact! 😿
Same reason why it takes R. Kelly’s victims so long to come out. Soon as they admit it you people attack them.
The victim came out before already but the scandal didn't blow up cause Sistar wasn't that big yet.
@@lucasthehuman9069 Well that makes sense but the big time gap is something I dont get 😯😯
Anyways lets just hope she could find some closure for herself, if thats what happened is true!
This is called ' KARMA'
Watch this - Hyolyns side ruclips.net/video/70J5MbWeQwI/видео.html she explain why she did no go publicly... she did not do it.
I’ve always wanted to watch that school bullying film that you inserted in the video, can u tell me the movie title and where I can watch it? 😭
That was the past. Get over it, the girl probably wants money from her
Ya, 15 years. Seriously?
Oh wow well here comes the victim blaming bully.
@@thatasiangirl0_039 What else, but money? Think!
Lol ppl pulling up events of a decade old
Dohwan Woo if you got beat up constantly 10 years ago, I think you'd still think about it once in a while.
This is late, however, if she only made threats like “im gonna beat you up” and never actually did it, or it was just plain teasing, I would agree with you. However, if the accusations is true and she actually did beat up a girl multiple times, then its not something you can just leave. If someone beat you up constantly, wouldn’t you feel some way even if it is a decade later
In Switzerland they don't care. Especially when you are a victim of school girls and female teacher. I was bullied heavely by girls and my female teacher. I said it but everything that came out of my female teacher, was just liars. She said i was a problem child and thanks to her, i was going in small schools with real problematic children(boys only, but they never where mean to me, besides one new boy that stole my fanarts and actually hurt me. He never was punished but i was punished.) Out of all bully, the female teacher took the cake. She digged her nails into me and stuff. I couldn't smile, couldn't joke with a friend, she found everything to bash on me. Never she teached me basic stuff like math of 244 + 236 = ? cause she wanted to care for her very iintelligent children who are fast at learning. Whenever i wanted help, she screeched at me.
And as i regonized a ship that is NOT Titanic, she said i was wrong. If she was a male teacher, he would imediately lose his job!
The boys in my school spread some mean words but they never touched me. Toxic femininity is real and will follow my life forever! They don't only pull your hair or scratch you, they also kick and destroy your things! And if it's not enough, they manipulate(woman are masters in manipulating and girls learn this by themselfs at a very your age) people so they can tell, i, the crying, buised girl sitting on the ground with messy hair, is the predator. And whenever they didn't touch me, thes brooke me mentally. The adults never believed me, besides my parents. They believed me from the beginning, cause our neighbors from that time in the old apartement, also bullied me. They also where girls.
My female teacher didn't want to have my 4 year younger sister, cause she assumed she is also problematic. My sister got a very awesome male teacher with an high patience and understanding. My sister was at her time the top student and since then, my toxic female teacher tried to be nice around me, whenever she saw me.