who is the man that was sitting by MacArthur that moved to different chair ? There are 4 men but it only lists 3?...whoever he was ...,he described my situation perfectly..In small town 21 church's NONE are preaching true Gospel None are even close to Orthodox true Doctrine and certainly NONE are Calvinist,, Im not financially able to drive out of town to a Church???? Im constantly listening to GTY Streaming day & night and getting sound teaching from Ligonier/Truth for Life///and my own Bible study at home...I guess I could make myself go to one of the Church's in my town..... but I honestly can't tolerate the lack of respect for the House of God...The members wear immodest clothing, sat through church slurping coffee or cokes/eating fruit during worship and sermons....kids running back & forth from kitchen and bringing food into sanctuary..... I don't feel as though God wants me to be involved in this behavior! Christ is not exalted ,the Gospel NOT clear...
Be careful. Many of your complaints sound petty. Just be sure they have sound doctrine, then allow the Holy Spirit to do the sanctification. If possible, be at peace with everyone.
They never mention we who are house-bound who cannot get to church because of chronic illness, are a part of the group who does not attend church. Yet I have continuously seen the church avoid visiting the sick. My pastor who has a fairly large church and is Reformed, has hired a nurse to visit the sick so the pastors don't have to, and she is "on the clock," as she has said, so until another pay day she is not available. I never did ask her to come to visit. I love all the men here, I love R.C dearly! But we are forgotten by the church. Some may take a meal to the temporarily sick or a new mother, but I have lived my entire life never seeing Believers visit the chronically ill. Why? :-(
scottishcovenanters Very good point and well taken and I hope that people will wake up and visit you but I think it’s also a reason why people stop attending church in general because they go to church and everybody just listens to the pastor and then goes home and there’s no real fellowship the key is don’t forsake The fellowship of the Saints well sometimes going to church is not synonymous with fellowship and sometimes we have to seek out small groups and we can’t find fellowship in these big organizations I think the Bible says where two or three are gathered there I am in the midst of them so these pastors think that you have to be a member of a big church and if you aren’t you’re not doing the right thing but I think that we can have fellowship in small groups as well because sometimes that’s all there is these big churches are many times just social clubs with not many people interested in true doctrine The other thing is this the churches are set up for urban people and they aren’t really set up for farmers and people who have activities that would keep them occupied for example what if your fireman can’t leave the station Sunday morning to go to church or if your job requires you to be at a certain place on Sunday morning the churches would be better attended if they realized they have hey potentially diverse group Secondly the churches are all built on the same model and the model basically is go to church and sit there and you are not allowed to ask the pastor questions when he gives the sermon there’s no real active learning it’s just sit down shut up listen and go homeAnd for some of us that’s not a very good way to learn it’s a waste of time we don’t learn much of anything that way if you look in the New Testament when Jesus taught people were asking him questions he didn’t just sit at a pulpit on Sunday morning he went out to the people and they walked around and people asked him questions that doesn’t happen with the pastors they all sit in there In ivory towers and then they pop out on Sunday morning and that’s about it or you can go see him in office hours for an appointment but that’s not real life
Sad, people are too busy to think about others, you know their is meals on wheels call your office of aging to see if they can help? Or make a call to your state reps office and explain your situation, hope that helps
I grew up holiness & I don't appreciate when people group us with the radical, money hungry, charismatic, emotion driven...you get the point. My grandmother was a woman of God & she taught me holiness & she taught me love. I was with her on many occasions when we went to the saints house. I helped her take food, clean, pray for, & encourage the kingdom family who were unable to physically get to the church. We also took holy communion to them. I saw real love & I am so grateful for that. I pray God raise up that type of love again in the leadership of the church!
They probably overlooked people who couldn't get to church because of health reasons because that should go without being said. Obviously certain physical disabilities are an exception.
It depends on what you are speaking. Paul said of the Judaizers (who said a non-Jew must be circumcised first before he can become a Christian) in his epistle to the Galatians that they were under the curse of God (anathema). He also said to put out the man who was sleeping with his father's wife in 1 Corinthians 6 from the congregation. So this idea that the church just needs to accept everyone is not the case. Also, remember that church discipline was instituted by Jesus in Matthew 18 for the purpose of keeping His people accountable and preventing from serious sin from tearing and dividing the church apart. And, as I said, holding to heretical teachings without desiring to repent or accept true doctrine should also keep us out of the church, as Paul taught in Galatians, Romans, Colossians (where he criticized those who denied Jesus was God who truly took on a human nature, etc.), etc.
Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Because modern churchs belong to the pastors. If Jesus was around today, He would not dare to risk his life entering a modern church. He would have to bring lots of fish so he could get money from their mouths to pay the tithe.
Thank You RC for clarification that Christian Armenians do not deny God's sovereignty. We disagree with predestination. This has been stated / meant with great respect. This comment "edit" comes after watching this at least 2 more times. Excellent advice on church discipline. Regards to exposing and addressing false teaching, a brother shared with me that bank tellers recognize counterfeit $ by KNOWING the authentic $. We need to know what the Bible states and means. By knowing the truth, the truth will expose the false teaching.
@@andrealbareda3598 😄 As long as a Christian's faith is in Christ and His finished work on the cross . It's neither one's ability nor one's faith in their election that saves them.
But I will of course join you in the affirmation and proclamation that it is Christ's finished work on the cross that makes salvation possible in the base case and that no one is saved by their own "smart move" of accepting that effective work. We will probably disagree on the order in which that comes to pass, but we will both proclaim that it is Christ who saves men and He is worthy of all praise for that. Greetings from Brazil!
Although we might ultimately know who is predestined because of the evidence of the fruits of their repentance, nevertheless prior to their repentance we cannot say if they are indeed predestined. But why can we not say that part of God’s decision making process to predestine someone, is based on the His foreknowledge that someone would be praying for their salvation. Are we to say that our prayers are in vain because of predestination when we plead with God on our knees to spare our loved ones? Maybe God saves us because He knows we will plead for others to be saved, and maybe these pleadings contribute in some way to the process of predestination which makes repentance possible.
My comment is true or false we supposed to follow the ten commandments correct, so why do the majority of us ignored the fourth commandment how can you get to heaven if you don't follow all 10 commandments explain please
You all live in sunny California or Florida. You don't have to deal with Blizzards 3 Sunday's in a row. Winter for five months. Come to Maine for a winter and experience and
@@tylerturnure3906 Thank you for that reminder Tyler. Sorry if I offended you. I guess I was thinking about the free country we live in where weather is awful in some areas. Frankly I would be happy to die any day knowing where I am going. You are so right though in this day and age with the news every where about other countries where it has always been like this. Black people still are enslaved right here in this country. Always have and always will. Racism is alive but so sinful.
Regarding the guy who was in fear that he fell from grace, there was a good opportunity there to edify him and tell him the truth, which is as Hebrews 10 tells us: a true believer is sanctified through Christ once for all time. You're not falling in and out of grace in Christ, your born of the Spirit, born of God, and God will never leave, or forsake those who are his children, those who trust in the Son of God for total cleansing and new life! Otherwise you have a gospel that says you are only forgiven and cleansed until your next sin! Which would mean old testament believers had more cleansing with bulls and goats, which lasted for 365 days! But we know Christ is much greater than bulls and goats and those whom he sanctifies are cleansed once for all time and he put his life giving Spirit in you forever, if you are truly his and believe!
What about discipleship? For seasoned women and men with new believers or new members who most are so lost and are so in need of someone to come along side of them to Disciple them for weeks or months to help them in there new walk with the Lord. Also in a church the size of,say, MacArthur's. they could be so over looked and are scared to reach out in dire need of help. That is one of the roles for Women and Men, is to make disciples of the new believer. I was so fortunate to have the pastor's wife take me in there home once a week to teach me about the Trinity as well as homework, reading the Bible as well as learning memory verses and such then go over it the next week being able to recite the memory verse a leaving with new homework and a verse to commit to memory. We also took walks together and talk about God to include the bible. I couldn't get enough, all I wanted to do was read the bible. New regenerate believers must have this guidance!
In England I was thrown out of an evangelical church for saying and insisting Jehovah's Witnesses were false prophets and the church was told they must not talk to me. So discipline in church is a joke.
Wilber if you were thrown out of a church for any reason. Now you can enjoy your freedom. Joining a church is not part of ones salvation. One is allowing oneself to be automatically brainwashed
No one should be thrown out of a church the church is God's house we just occupy it so it's good that you came out of that house because that's not God's house I may step on some toes but example the Catholic religion Antichrist
In 1 Tim 1-18 Paul handed Hymenaeus and Alexander over to Satan that *they learn not to blaspheme.* Satan is the only character name by name in the bible that christians may learn how not to blaspheme. Paul handed them over because they rejected the faith. Rejecting the faith means they were following the god's of Rome. So Paul sent them back to the *Pharisees/Satan* who were following false gods.
Not forsaking the fellowship of the brethren is not about modern day christians having to attend church on a Sunday morning. The only fellowship you have in church on a Sunday morning is with the back of the persons head who is sitting in front of you. It was about Jewish believers who were following God in Christ not forsaking the Jewish old covenant people under the law; because the Day was approaching. That Day was the judgement of the Lord on Jerusalem in AD70. The purpose of the fellowship was to get them to follow Christ so they would not come under judgement. To condemn a christian for not going to church on Sunday is fundamentalism. Fundamentalism and love, is like oil and water they dont mix.
2 Corinthians 6:16-17 A genuine CHRISTIAN will never continue to staying in a Catholic church ....... Who MUST be honored .... Christ Jesus or Pope ?.... JESUS SAID. : you are very close to the Kingdom ... but you are NOT IN THE KINGDOM ..... I think it is a huge difference !!! With all respect for TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE
Well I thought that the word said there is no Jew or Greek, no male or female, no slave nor free. Please explain. And also church membership is not biblical. God knows I am part of the body. So legalistic.
Who is without sin, let them cast the first. Who do you think you are ! You must think you are without sin. You think you are so much better than everyone else. I listen to Ligonier every day. It should be private. Telling the congregation is just gossip. It is not right o yea who think you are much better than everyone else o sinless men!
Why can women not be leaders in the church? God does not discriminate between men and women. If I was a woman I would not go to their church; and as a male I would definitely stop going to preachers who speak like this. The biggest treat to the church anywhere is fundalmenlism.
As a woman I can say that it’s because it’s not Biblical nor God’s design for women to be either governing the home or in the house of God/the church. There are plenty of other roles for women to do, and just as important, such as evangelizing. As a woman who by grace through faith has been born again and has the indwelling of the Spirit of God, I have absolutely no problem submitting to God, to His Word and to His design. I only need to look to Eve as a warning to not give attention to any other voice/way.
7+years later this is still profitable and profound. Only God can make this possible. Praise God.
Glory to GOD!!! Utterly fantastic! Thank you for this very important information!
who is the man that was sitting by MacArthur that moved to different chair ? There are 4 men but it only lists 3?...whoever he was ...,he described my situation perfectly..In small town 21 church's NONE are preaching true Gospel None are even close to Orthodox true Doctrine and certainly NONE are Calvinist,, Im not financially able to drive out of town to a Church???? Im constantly listening to GTY Streaming day & night and getting sound teaching from Ligonier/Truth for Life///and my own Bible study at home...I guess I could make myself go to one of the Church's in my town..... but I honestly can't tolerate the lack of respect for the House of God...The members wear immodest clothing, sat through church slurping coffee or cokes/eating fruit during worship and sermons....kids running back & forth from kitchen and bringing food into sanctuary..... I don't feel as though God wants me to be involved in this behavior! Christ is not exalted ,the Gospel NOT clear...
His name is Ken Jones, pastor of Glendale Missionary Baptist Church in Miami, Florida, and co-host of The White Horse Inn.
Be careful. Many of your complaints sound petty. Just be sure they have sound doctrine, then allow the Holy Spirit to do the sanctification. If possible, be at peace with everyone.
@@thingamujigger1585wasn’t it a strange comment?
God be praised!
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They never mention we who are house-bound who cannot get to church because of chronic illness, are a part of the group who does not attend church. Yet I have continuously seen the church avoid visiting the sick. My pastor who has a fairly large church and is Reformed, has hired a nurse to visit the sick so the pastors don't have to, and she is "on the clock," as she has said, so until another pay day she is not available. I never did ask her to come to visit. I love all the men here, I love R.C dearly! But we are forgotten by the church. Some may take a meal to the temporarily sick or a new mother, but I have lived my entire life never seeing Believers visit the chronically ill. Why? :-(
scottishcovenanters
Very good point and well taken and I hope that people will wake up and visit you but I think it’s also a reason why people stop attending church in general because they go to church and everybody just listens to the pastor and then goes home and there’s no real fellowship the key is don’t forsake The fellowship of the Saints well sometimes going to church is not synonymous with fellowship and sometimes we have to seek out small groups and we can’t find fellowship in these big organizations I think the Bible says where two or three are gathered there I am in the midst of them so these pastors think that you have to be a member of a big church and if you aren’t you’re not doing the right thing but I think that we can have fellowship in small groups as well because sometimes that’s all there is these big churches are many times just social clubs with not many people interested in true doctrine
The other thing is this the churches are set up for urban people and they aren’t really set up for farmers and people who have activities that would keep them occupied for example what if your fireman can’t leave the station Sunday morning to go to church or if your job requires you to be at a certain place on Sunday morning the churches would be better attended if they realized they have hey potentially diverse group
Secondly the churches are all built on the same model and the model basically is go to church and sit there and you are not allowed to ask the pastor questions when he gives the sermon there’s no real active learning it’s just sit down shut up listen and go homeAnd for some of us that’s not a very good way to learn it’s a waste of time we don’t learn much of anything that way if you look in the New Testament when Jesus taught people were asking him questions he didn’t just sit at a pulpit on Sunday morning he went out to the people and they walked around and people asked him questions that doesn’t happen with the pastors they all sit in there In ivory towers and then they pop out on Sunday morning and that’s about it or you can go see him in office hours for an appointment but that’s not real life
Sad, people are too busy to think about others, you know their is meals on wheels call your office of aging to see if they can help? Or make a call to your state reps office and explain your situation, hope that helps
I grew up holiness & I don't appreciate when people group us with the radical, money hungry, charismatic, emotion driven...you get the point. My grandmother was a woman of God & she taught me holiness & she taught me love. I was with her on many occasions when we went to the saints house. I helped her take food, clean, pray for, & encourage the kingdom family who were unable to physically get to the church. We also took holy communion to them. I saw real love & I am so grateful for that. I pray God raise up that type of love again in the leadership of the church!
Reach out to your local congregation.🙏
They probably overlooked people who couldn't get to church because of health reasons because that should go without being said. Obviously certain physical disabilities are an exception.
I'm finding out that we has a church are so petty, and so many issues are addressed so inadequately, Christ never turned anyone away, why do pastor's?
It depends on what you are speaking. Paul said of the Judaizers (who said a non-Jew must be circumcised first before he can become a Christian) in his epistle to the Galatians that they were under the curse of God (anathema). He also said to put out the man who was sleeping with his father's wife in 1 Corinthians 6 from the congregation. So this idea that the church just needs to accept everyone is not the case.
Also, remember that church discipline was instituted by Jesus in Matthew 18 for the purpose of keeping His people accountable and preventing from serious sin from tearing and dividing the church apart. And, as I said, holding to heretical teachings without desiring to repent or accept true doctrine should also keep us out of the church, as Paul taught in Galatians, Romans, Colossians (where he criticized those who denied Jesus was God who truly took on a human nature, etc.), etc.
Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
Because modern churchs belong to the pastors.
If Jesus was around today, He would not dare to risk his life entering a modern church.
He would have to bring lots of fish so he could get money from their mouths to pay the tithe.
Have no idea where to go to church.
Thank You RC for clarification that Christian Armenians do not deny God's sovereignty.
We disagree with predestination.
This has been stated / meant with great respect.
This comment "edit" comes after watching this at least 2 more times.
Excellent advice on church discipline.
Regards to exposing and addressing false teaching, a brother shared with me that bank tellers recognize counterfeit $ by KNOWING the authentic $. We need to know what the Bible states and means. By knowing the truth, the truth will expose the false teaching.
It's probably your corrector playing tricks, but there certainly are Armenians who are faithful calvinists haha. Greetings and blessings ☺️
@@andrealbareda3598 😄
As long as a Christian's faith is in Christ and His finished work on the cross . It's neither one's ability nor one's faith in their election that saves them.
@@samvogel2368, I am just joking about the fact that your post has "Armenians" (i.e. born in the country Armenia) instead of arminians =)
But I will of course join you in the affirmation and proclamation that it is Christ's finished work on the cross that makes salvation possible in the base case and that no one is saved by their own "smart move" of accepting that effective work. We will probably disagree on the order in which that comes to pass, but we will both proclaim that it is Christ who saves men and He is worthy of all praise for that.
Greetings from Brazil!
My spelling isn't the greatest...🤣🤣
Although we might ultimately know who is predestined because of the evidence of the fruits of their repentance, nevertheless prior to their repentance we cannot say if they are indeed predestined.
But why can we not say that part of God’s decision making process to predestine someone, is based on the His foreknowledge that someone would be praying for their salvation.
Are we to say that our prayers are in vain because of predestination when we plead with God on our knees to spare our loved ones?
Maybe God saves us because He knows we will plead for others to be saved, and maybe these pleadings contribute in some way to the process of predestination which makes repentance possible.
My comment is true or false we supposed to follow the ten commandments correct, so why do the majority of us ignored the fourth commandment how can you get to heaven if you don't follow all 10 commandments explain please
You all live in sunny California or Florida. You don't have to deal with Blizzards 3 Sunday's in a row. Winter for five months. Come to Maine for a winter and experience and
people in china and many many other countries go to church knowing that f they are caught they will be imprisoned or killed
@@tylerturnure3906 Thank you for that reminder Tyler. Sorry if I offended you. I guess I was thinking about the free country we live in where weather is awful in some areas. Frankly I would be happy to die any day knowing where I am going.
You are so right though in this day and age with the news every where about other countries where it has always been like this. Black people still are enslaved right here in this country. Always have and always will. Racism is alive but so sinful.
Regarding the guy who was in fear that he fell from grace, there was a good opportunity there to edify him and tell him the truth, which is as Hebrews 10 tells us: a true believer is sanctified through Christ once for all time. You're not falling in and out of grace in Christ, your born of the Spirit, born of God, and God will never leave, or forsake those who are his children, those who trust in the Son of God for total cleansing and new life! Otherwise you have a gospel that says you are only forgiven and cleansed until your next sin! Which would mean old testament believers had more cleansing with bulls and goats, which lasted for 365 days! But we know Christ is much greater than bulls and goats and those whom he sanctifies are cleansed once for all time and he put his life giving Spirit in you forever, if you are truly his and believe!
What about discipleship? For seasoned women and men with new believers or new members who most are so lost and are so in need of someone to come along side of them to Disciple them for weeks or months to help them in there new walk with the Lord.
Also in a church the size of,say, MacArthur's. they could be so over looked and are scared to reach out in dire need of help.
That is one of the roles for Women and Men, is to make disciples of the new believer.
I was so fortunate to have the pastor's wife take me in there home once a week to teach me about the Trinity as well as homework, reading the Bible as well as learning memory verses and such then go over it the next week being able to recite the memory verse a leaving with new homework and a verse to commit to memory. We also took walks together and talk about God to include the bible. I couldn't get enough, all I wanted to do was read the bible. New regenerate believers must have this guidance!
They said that women can disciple women and teach youth.
Whos the pastor the colored man he's great dont know his name
Ken Jones
Ken Jones
Yes. Thank you. Not sure why his name was omitted in the title.
I’m so
In England I was thrown out of an evangelical church for saying and insisting Jehovah's Witnesses were false prophets and the church was told they must not talk to me. So discipline in church is a joke.
Wilber if you were thrown out of a church for any reason. Now you can enjoy your freedom.
Joining a church is not part of ones salvation. One is allowing oneself to be automatically brainwashed
No one should be thrown out of a church the church is God's house we just occupy it so it's good that you came out of that house because that's not God's house I may step on some toes but example the Catholic religion Antichrist
Hm I deny the Doctrine of the Trinity but I affirm the Deity of Christ and necessary for my salvation,
God created everything in 6 days.Jesus is my Lord and savior
Music so bad and too much jumping around.
In 1 Tim 1-18 Paul handed Hymenaeus and Alexander over to Satan that *they learn not to blaspheme.*
Satan is the only character name by name in the bible that christians may learn how not to blaspheme.
Paul handed them over because they rejected the faith. Rejecting the faith means they were following the god's of Rome. So Paul sent them back to the *Pharisees/Satan* who were following false gods.
You not to have a meal with someone who you regard differently.
*Jesus eat with sinners.*
Not forsaking the fellowship of the brethren is not about modern day christians having to attend church on a Sunday morning.
The only fellowship you have in church on a Sunday morning is with the back of the persons head who is sitting in front of you.
It was about Jewish believers who were following God in Christ not forsaking the Jewish old covenant people under the law; because the Day was approaching.
That Day was the judgement of the Lord on Jerusalem in AD70.
The purpose of the fellowship was to get them to follow Christ so they would not come under judgement.
To condemn a christian for not going to church on Sunday is fundamentalism.
Fundamentalism and love, is like oil and water they dont mix.
2 Corinthians 6:16-17
A genuine CHRISTIAN will never continue to staying in a Catholic church .......
Who MUST be honored .... Christ Jesus or Pope ?....
JESUS SAID. : you are very close to the Kingdom ... but you are NOT IN THE KINGDOM .....
I think it is a huge difference !!!
With all respect for TRUTH and KNOWLEDGE
At least Dr Sproul is using common sense
Well I thought that the word said there is no Jew or Greek, no male or female, no slave nor free. Please explain. And also church membership is not biblical. God knows I am part of the body. So legalistic.
Just be glad it wasn't chicken?😮
Who is without sin, let them cast the first. Who do you think you are ! You must think you are without sin. You think you are so much better than everyone else. I listen to Ligonier every day. It should be private. Telling the congregation is just gossip. It is not right o yea who think you are much better than everyone else o sinless men!
Christain fundalmenlists are so concerned that other religious groups should enter heaven without their permission.
Why can women not be leaders in the church?
God does not discriminate between men and women.
If I was a woman I would not go to their church; and as a male I would definitely stop going to preachers who speak like this.
The biggest treat to the church anywhere is fundalmenlism.
As a woman I can say that it’s because it’s not Biblical nor God’s design for women to be either governing the home or in the house of God/the church. There are plenty of other roles for women to do, and just as important, such as evangelizing. As a woman who by grace through faith has been born again and has the indwelling of the Spirit of God, I have absolutely no problem submitting to God, to His Word and to His design. I only need to look to Eve as a warning to not give attention to any other voice/way.