American Boeing 737 gets hit by lightning twice. REAL ATC
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- Опубликовано: 28 апр 2024
- On March 21, 2024.
An American Airlines Boeing 737-823 registration N947AN, performing flight AAL1133 from Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport (KDFW) to Richmond International Airport (KRIC) after departure reported a lightning strike and requested return back to Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport. On the way back the flight crew reported the second lightning strike.
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To all the experts here, the pilots knew the status of the plane. As was said, lightning is a common occurrence and they train for it. Declaring an emergency causes all sorts of issues with other traffic and pilots are careful when and when not to declare it.
How did he know the status of the airplane? Did he get out and look it over? Go back in the cabin and pull some panels to check out all that stuff that’s not easily seen? All he knows is what his instruments tell him and they may not be giving him all the info. Declaring an emergency gets him on the ground quick before things possibly get worse and has the proper crews waiting. I’m sure the pax would be okay with that. As for everyone else, let them get out of the way. It will not be a major event, maybe a few minutes delay. I’ve been on both sides of that coin. I don’t have a problem declaring, and I don’t have a problem with someone who does, AMD when I do I only care about one airplane: the one I’m flying. I have been hit by lightning a couple times. On the last one maintenance counted almost a hundred spots where lighting attached/discharged on the fuselage. Airplane had to get an X-ray inspection to look for structural issues. Fortunately there were none. And my passengers were happy with the getting on the ground part. If you have an issue, declare. The crash crews need the exercise anyway.
@@Airpaycheck "Airplanes are designed to withstand lightning strikes, which are a common occurrence during flight. The fuselage and wings of an aircraft are designed to dissipate the electrical energy from a lightning strike, protecting the passengers and crew inside."
"Engineers use conductive meshes to help minimize damage to the skin of the airplane. These meshes also help prevent the buildup of electric current in any one area. Carbon fiber, fiberglass, aluminum, and copper are all commonly used in this protective mesh that is as thin as a window screen."
And there's a ton of lightning arresters on every plane. Planes are magnets for lightning and are designed to allow lightning pass through the outer skin and panels..
So you are completely wrong with your post, the crew knew their aircraft and how it works. They know when to call an emergency and of course, you were not in the cockpit at the time.
@@Airpaycheck "All he knows is what his instruments tell him"
Well, the instruments are mostly what is affected by lightning. It is not like a structural part of the aircraft will fall off.
They may lose some instruments (and apparently that happened) but it may not be an immediate emergency as the instruments may be non-critical or sufficient redundant instruments are still available.
Pan pan pan.
Very professional crew !
Question - is it normal to take off with known lightning?
I saw somewhere once that on average, a commercial aircraft will get hit by lighting once a year throughout its service. I dunno how true that is.
I saw somewhere once that there are black helicopters hovering our homes beaming thought control waves into our brains. Dunno how true that is either.
That’s one disillusioned and awesome (judging from the great exchange between him and ATC) pilot😂
Good job everyone. Nice day; two lighting strikes…
I thought it was quite common for airplanes to be struck by lightning in the air, but I didn't expect them to choose to fly back to the airport because of it.
Sometimes there may be damage. Not likely to bring the aircraft down, but e.g. the loss of one of a set of two redundant instruments is reason to return for safety.
I wouldn’t make comments about the radar. The older ones work just fine and if I don’t know how to extract data from it, I wouldn’t blame it for my lack of expertise.
It's improbable to get hit twice.
Aircraft get struck by lightning all the time, it's not a big deal.
but the RUclips experts think otherwise 🙄
if it wasn't that big a deal then there wouldn't be weather briefings, deviations , pireps, airmets and sigmets about it. It's best to avoid it.
It can be nothing or it can be a big deal.
@@joelt4416 The weather briefings about thunderstorms focus more on the very heavy drafts that are assoiciated with them, than on the actual lightning.
Strike inspections are fun.
Thought lightning doesn't strike the same plane twice!?..lol ⚡🌩️
To be fair the plane wasn’t in the same place both times it was struck.
Boeing’s fault
Nicely handled but c'mon its only lightening and has zero effect on the plane unless it blows a circuit breaker and gets into the avionics of flight control nav screens lol
I been on planes at least 3 times hit by lightning, none returned
Great info bro!
I don't really understand why there even are problems after a lightning strike, it should be a farrady cage, right? Except for maybe the radar cone in the front, but I doubt that's where the lightning stroke.
So it's OK to fly aircraft thru thunderstorms.... awesome... (as the pilot said)
I did not need to hear we are flying with older, less effective radar. And "first we've heard about it?!?" Really?
I assume he didn't mention that on the PA as well, only to ATC
It was a normal approach so they didnt pass the message
When you listen to all of the communication that was going on, every time a new frequency is mentioned, they are being "handed off" to the next controller. By the time they got back to DFW, the tower there did not know why they were returning because it was not passed along. If the pilot declared an emergency, then everyone would have been notified.
It's not a problem with the aircraft installed radar, it's the life cycle of a thunderstorm that can cause grief. During the dissipating stage of a thunderstorm the rain drop size decreases and the rain intensity decreases as well so it shows up as light and dark green on the radar which normally nothing to be concerned with but the clouds can still be highly charged with frequent cloud-to-cloud lightning that is impossible to avoid without lightening detection equipment (StormScope). I was a captain for 23 years and had three lightning strikes and always in that same situation with only light chop and light-moderate small droplet rain. Airliners should have StormScopes as well as radar. Thankfully those cloud-to-cloud strikes are not very powerful and don't do as much damage as a cloud-to-ground strike.
You need not worry. The flight crew weren't.
God got his finger pulled...again.
Don’t know what the hell he’s talking about. I got lots of time in those AA 737s. The radars are fine.
is he just trying to cover himself for flying into a thunderstorm or something?
Maybe he's getting used to the MAX radar. Or maybe he's type rated on Airbus too.
@@joeg5414 He didn't choose to fly into a thunderstorm. He followed ATC instructions. He asked for more altitude to clear the storm. Adults don't advance to a position of responsibility by "Covering themself" when they do something wrong. That's a trait exhibited by teenagers.
But lightning never strikes TWICE…..does it? …only in aviation.
So much for lightning not striking twice...
I don't know why the concern with lightning. It may blow some circuit breakers which you just reset. After you land at your destination you check the trailing surfaces for any missing metal. That's always been the way when I was a frequent flyer.
See my response to @danielh698
So you’re not a pilot…. But you know what needs to be done?
you think blowing some circuit breakers are a minor thing that shouldn't be looked at even if your complete flight is ahead of you?
Sure, if you're 2 hours from the next airport over the ocean, you should continue, but right after take off it would be ridiculous to not turn around.
Stop flying through thunderstorms then?
They can't always avoid weather. And lightning strikes occur outside of storms, as well.
It's Texas. We've had major thunderstorms last couple of months and more forecasted for May.
"Lightning interaction with aircraft occurs every 1,000 flight hours
Even though lightning activity can vary by geographic location, its frequency is such that, according to the International Air Transport Association (IATA), an aircraft is struck by lightning every 1,000 flight hours, the equivalent of one strike per aircraft per year. It is interesting to note that lightning mostly strikes at near-freezing temperatures, during turbulence. Around 60 percent of all lightning strikes occur from March through July."
As mentioned elsewhere, it's not a big deal.
@@marcd1981 sometimes they opt to fly through the weakest part of a storm cell.
Good luck in the central US in the spring.
Unnecessary landing. They should've just tried SCE to AUX.
Don't forget that it's not just a technical decision, but a customer relations decision too. If the passengers became aware of the strike(s) as they occurred, there may be more incentive to return. Also, in this post-Boeing-doors-flying-off world, _abundance of caution_ may be the operative term.
@@TheRealScooterGuy Apollo 12 joke goes whoosh.
Alan Bean would have appreciated this comment.
You can bet that if this pilot's house were struck twice by lightning he'd immediately call 911 and declare an emergency. But in an aluminum can flying 3 miles high at 500 mph with 150 people on board, nope.
That's because it's not dangerous.
You completely wrong. See my response to @danielh698
It either doesn't cause any serious damage or it blows a hole in the aluminum can. So, it's either an emergency or it isn't. Same with your house, either it burns a hole through it which is an emergency, or it simply travels through and down your ground pole with only minor issues like a circuit breaker popping or maybe the power source on your computer gets fried, which certainly doesn't require emergency services. There is some good US military or maybe NASA test footage of engineers studying lightning strikes on fighter jets on RUclips. Its been awhile since I have seen it, but they explain what happens when lightning strikes aircraft - but usually nothing bad happens, maybe you lose some electrical equipment.
Why are American pilots so hesitant of declaring an emergency? Is it extra paperwork for them or something that the airline will investigate more thoroughly and they want to avoid that?
I really don't get it. Had he declared an emergency Ground would have been aware already that they're returning and they don't have a gate etc.
This isn't an emergency.
Because this was not and never was an emergency. Planes are built for lightning strikes. Its common. Everything was working fine. You heard the pilot say "no assistance needed". The return was just precautionary.
Because it's not an emergency. Why do foreign pilots claim "Emergency" so often when they actually didn't need to?
@@dextermorgan1 Thats an unsubstantiated observation on your part with nothing to back up your statement.
@@nickv4073 Oh, it's complete bullshit. I just made it up so the OP can see how it feels to be on the other end of complete nonsense.
Painful to watch and listen.
I experienced no pain.