MAYDAY. Engine power lost power on takeoff. American A321 returns to Dallas-Fort Worth. Real ATC
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- THIS VIDEO IS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE FOLLOWING SITUATION IN FLIGHT:
03-JUL-2023. An American Airlines Airbus 321 (A321), registration N145AN, performing flight AAL2709 / AA2709 from Dallas-Fort Worth International Airport, TX (USA) to Palm Springs International Airport, CA (USA) shortly after departure declared MAYDAY, reported loss of engine power and requested return to the airport of departure. After landing the aircraft stopped on the runway for inspection by emergency services.
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Timestamps:
00:00 Description of situation
00:17 Takeoff. MAYDAY. Engine power loss
03:10 American 2709 contacts Approach controller
04:22 American 2709 is ready for the approach
05:49 American 2709 was transferred to frequency of Tower controller
06:23 Landing. Communications on the ground
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THE VALUE OF THIS VIDEO:
THE MAIN VALUE IS EDUCATION. This reconstruction will be useful for actual or future air traffic controllers and pilots, people who plan to connect life with aviation, who like aviation. With help of this video reconstruction you’ll learn how to use radiotelephony rules, Aviation English language and general English language (for people whose native language is not English) in situation in flight, which was shown. THE MAIN REASON I DO THIS IS TO HELP PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND EVERY EMERGENCY SITUATION, EVERY WORD AND EVERY MOVE OF AIRCRAFT.
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Radar screen (In new versions of videos) - Made by author.
Text version of communication - Made by Author.
Video editing - Made by author.
HOW I DO VIDEOS:
1) I monitor media, airspace, looking for any non-standard, emergency and interesting situation.
2) I find communications of ATC unit for the period of time I need.
3) I take only phrases between air traffic controller and selected flight.
4) I find a flight path of selected aircraft.
5) I make an animation (early couple of videos don’t have animation) of flight path and aircraft, where the aircraft goes on his route.
6) When I edit video I put phrases of communications to specific points in video (in tandem with animation).
7) Together with my comments (voice and text) I edit and make a reconstruction of emergency, non-standard and interesting situation in flight.
Mayday. Mayday. Mayday.
Are you declaring an emergency?
No, we are celebrating the traditional beginning of Spring!
Are you declaring an emergency? Nooooo, its not like i said MAYDAY a few times....
So glad the pilot pointed this out to ATC... like, yes, that's exactly what MAYDAY means. ATC needs a refresher course
This is a good example why the switch is being made from nonsense words like MAYDAY to succinct declarations such as "EMERGENCY OR EMERGENCY AIRCRAFT". Finally.....change is coming. Thanks for bringing this to everyone's attention.
You mean..Mayday or Julyday? I mean...yeah you said that you lost your engine but are you SURE you are declaring an emergency
@@Benis650 So ixnay on Mayday and just say you are declaring an emergency. Direct. To the point. Clear. Succinct.
@@RLTtizMEHe declared a MAYDAY. That should be enough.
MAYDAY = emergency
the pilot literally started his communication with ATC with "MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY" where was the questionable communication where ATC needed to ask if they were an emergency aircraft... smh
Pilot: Mayday Mayday Mayday
Controller: Are you an emergency ?
Seems like the one American pilot in the airlines capable of using the correct phraseology and of course ATC didn't know what the hell he was on about 🤣 You aren't going to see this anywhere else in the world.
@@markor2476 Actually, American Airlines seems to have done a switch in training during the last few years.
@lyaneris - I have noticed that as well.
The pilot say MAYDAY 3 times and the controller still asks if it's an emergency lol😅
"Mayday..? ugh, I'm too important to be bothered with this type of thing" - Departure Controller
As pilots we are taught to use the “mayday mayday mayday “ prefix when an aircraft is in an emergency life threatening situation of any kind whether it be a medical emergency or a mechanical or pilot issue as opposed to a “pan pan pan “ call when it’s an urgent non life threatening situation . It would seem that quite a number of atc personnel do not understand what a “mayday “ call is used for by pilots .
I would have thought Pan would have been more appropriate, but taking it a level higher if that is what the Pilot is under the impression I think is ok. However when stable I thought the pilot could have downgraded to Pan.
@@jpmasters-aus www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap6_section_3.html
www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap6_section_3.html
@@jpmasters-ausreduced power on departure is almost always a Mayday call.
No idea why you have reduced power or if power will further decay.
Yep. The international call for imminent threat to life is the pro word Mayday. As is Pan for urgent but not immediate threat to life.
*Mayday vs Declaring an Emergency*
The FAA Training Manual for ATC is very clear on this:
*FAA Order JO 7110.65AA - Air Traffic Control*
"Section 1. General
10-1-1. EMERGENCY DETERMINATIONS
a. An emergency can be either a Distress or an Urgency condition as defined in the “Pilot/Controller Glossary.
b. A pilot who encounters a Distress condition should declare an emergency by beginning the initial communication with the word “Mayday,” preferably repeated three times. For an Urgency condition, the word “Pan‐Pan” should be used in the same manner. "
c. If the words “Mayday” or “Pan-Pan” are not used but you believe an emergency or an urgent situation exists, handle it as though it were an emergency.
d. Because of the infinite variety of possible emergency situations, specific procedures cannot be prescribed. However, when you believe an emergency exists or is imminent, select and pursue a course of action which appears to be most appropriate under the circumstances and which most nearly conforms to the instructions in this manual."
@@mr65136Those terms are used all the time with the Coast Guard in the US.
OMG...how long did it take to post that.
ICAO standards, used in AsiaPacific as well
@@mr65136 www.faa.gov/air_traffic/publications/atpubs/aim_html/chap6_section_3.html
@@RLTtizMEot long considering the comment is copy and pasted from the atc training manual🤡
Worst Air traffic controller ever. Saying mayday is an equivalent to declaring an emergency. Declaring an emergency essentially puts the pilot in charge. I've heard a pilot declare so that he could pick the runway he wanted to land on. He declared and TOLD the controller what he was going to do. That's how it generally works. With that said if there is a traffic conflict, that's not something that will be ignored by either controller or pilot.
Great job filling in the missing audio 👍
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Yes, very helpful!
MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY... "are you declaring an emergency?"... blimey!
Thanks for the great work you do on these videos. I show many of them to pilots working on their Aviation English.
Thank you 😊
Couple of things I notices. Firstly the choice of Mayday over a Pan Pan Pan in this situation (QF32 only ever used Pan Pan Pan) as they were stable but needed support.
The ATC not understanding Mayday… and later asking if it was an Emergency! I think it would be helpful if the USA did convert to the international use of Pan Pan Pan and Mayday Mayday Mayday.
Departure Controller didn't give a flying F&^% !
imagine that you are a passenger who flies a lot, and are sitting at a left window seat on take off.. all of a sudden the left engine isn't making as much noise as you expect to hear - the pilots are busy with "aviate, navigate, communicate" and the last part is mostly with the controllers - somewhere along the way they let the folks know that they have to return to DFW..
I was in that exact situation. Well, no, first a loud BANG, then vibration. Then everything became totally quiet. Most quiet flight I had my entire life. At the same time we immediately started diving down. After a good half a minute of diving and then leveling off the pilots did make an announcement. lol
Not the Departure Controller's best work for sure. That was a TEXT BOOK radio call (Mayday, call sign, issue, engine out heading (industry standard) and requested altitude. I say industry standard because the "normal" procedure when you bang an engine on takeoff is to fly a safe heading that clears both terrain and traffic. The RNAV is designed for "all engines operating". So he should have kept them on that heading or provided a better heading to clear traffic (no terrain at DFW).
Mr. Know It All. 🤡🤡👈👈
@@RLTtizME sure you are
@@M3T2W01f Thanks sweetie. Pithy and clever. 💋
I was watching this on FlightRadar24. Sounds like the pilots did a great job.
I was on UA1846 EWR-SLC on the 1st of July and we had to go around during landing due to crosswind and turbulence. I'm wondering if you could find the ATC audio on the flight.
Im pretty sure if i were the pilot i would have said i aint flying no damn rnav. Give me a heading and altitude to avoid terrain/object/other aircraft, and ill attempt to fly that. And keep everyone else out of my way....please.
Ok he should not have asked him two times if he was an emergency BUT to the person uploading this content- please release all the traffic that was going on for some understanding. The emergency aircraft came off the west side of the airport on a 165 heading(that’s southeast yall). The rnav he was suppose to be on goes straight out to an rnav point that keeps them procedurally separated from the east side airplanes going to a point straight out on their side. There was also what we call an inside track that was a westbounder that departed after them that would have been in conflict if the controller would have turned the emergency aircraft immediately west. Not to mention whatever satellite traffic was in the area.
Putting speed restrictions on an emergency aircraft could probably have been avoided.
I bet because the plane was flying sort of ok. They landed planes so he had to slow down for a plane to clear the runway. It was wrong to do that.
We thought you were a plumber.
There was a diversion on july 4th AMX70 from Mex to FCO that went back to MEX. Could you do that video?
Indeed a quite peculiar "emergency".
Id loose my shit with that departure controller.
Do you also lose it?
Here in the EU I several times heard something like ‚copy your mayday, say intentions‘ and every first call on a new frequency starts with ‚CALLSIGN emergency aircraft’ (Swiss are great with that!).
Generally speaking: Is a mayday acknowledged at all in the US?
What does ‘fly RNAV’ mean? We don’t use that term in my country.
"Are you declaring an emergency?" the clue is in the pilots MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY call.
Should the pilot have declared Pan-Pan?
Spatula...if you are uncertain. Emergency is all purpose and devoid of confusion such as yours.
Was the pilot supposed to fly the RNAV? I couldn't tell.
Yea I’m sure there was another plane behind them on another rnav
Can anyone explain why the pilot asks to "get further right"?
Yeah I never heard that one before
I think the pilot was requesting a tighter right turn to intercept the localizer faster and therefore get on the ground faster, I am not a pilot but I watch a lot of these videos :).
Thanks!
The aircraft will turn in a more shallow bank (probably following engine out checklist), therefore the pilots required more time as their turn would be slower. In higher bank angles lift is reduced, when single engine the effect when turning into the bad engine is amplified, hence checklist require limit to the bank angle at slow speeds. The controller here most probably expected a regular turn rate and didnt call an early turn.
It was a political statement.
Departure sounds annoyed at people concerned 5k ft in the air
Isn't the term "Mayday" supposed to be used for aircrafts in imminent distress/danger? When the pilot was fine to fly around running check lists the "Mayday" term was misused. Sounds like there was doubt about the gravity of the situation at that point.
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The standard of US ATCO’s during “Emergency” situations is frankly not good enough, this being a classic example.
Was this atc man even listening?
Another good reason larger aircraft have at least two engines.
I know of no "larger" commercial aircraft with one engine...ma man.
@@RLTtizME For some reason, you think you have a point.
@@centexan I do sweetie. Don't be ashamed to ask for help.
@@RLTtizME Help from you would be useless.
Perhaps folks who are not pilots and who have never experienced an in-flight emergency, for whatever reasons, should sign up for flying lessons before posting some of the comments below. I’m a pilot with 7,000 hours and a few in-flight experiences to reflect on. One very recently. The controllers did a great job. The pilots did a great job. Together controllers and pilots were a great team. No crash landing. Nobody died. A great outcome for everyone. That was our U.S. FAA, pilot training and aviation system in action for a great outcome. I’d fly with those pilots and those controllers working me any day.
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The speed that the pilot and ATC speak to each other is amazing. It appears the ATC has to have extreme amount of knowledge regarding every plane that takes off, lands, and those that declare an emergency. The training each ATC person goes through must be grueling. They’re the difference between getting the plane down,having emergency vehicles ready, waiting to hear the pilot speak again. It’s such an important, high stress job, especially when they have to keep track where all others in the air are. Not many, I would imagine, would be able to hold up from all of the stress.
I remember back in the 80’s, and I can’t remember why, President Reagan fired all ATC individuals, replacing them. Monumental accomplishment took place well, fortunately.
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the ATC guy should be fired. He put a lot of extra workload on the pilot instead of helping him. The ATC asked if it was an emergency too many times and told the pilot where to fly at what height and direction. A mayday plane normally tells the ATC what it needs and ATC makes it possible. Worst atc handling on an emergency I have ever heard yet
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I had no idea that what you described is the way May Day calls are handled. Having the knowledge passed along to me, I listened again, to hear what you are talking about. The ATC seemed to be impatient with American 2709. Thank you for filling me in.
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Thank you for spelling it out to me as to proper handling by the ATC should have been. I do agree with you since I have more information provided by you.
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ATC guys/gals were going to strike in 1981, I remember that day VERY well because my Dad passed away that day and I was trying to get from JFK to LAX! President Reagan said, "If you strike, you're all fired!" They went on strike, so he fired them! He bought in Military ATC, but it didn't make up for the numbers of ATC needed. They knew their jobs didn't allow them to go on strike but they did it anyway so tough on them! They shouldn't have accepted those jobs if they weren't willing to abide by the regs. BTW, my Mom was already in another hospital very ill when my Dad had a heart attack at home, so I really, really needed to get to CA and take care of things. Thank God for a wonderful reservations agent at AA, she understood me through my tears (Dad was just 53) and got me the three seats needed for myself, my husband and my sister. God bless her always. What a nightmare that day was!
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I’m sorry for your loss. It was really nice how you were treated and helped on that day. Thank you for your reply and filling me in about the time of the strike back in ‘81. The only thing I could remember was that my husband and I thought about uprooting our life, and head to Texas so that he could train to be an ATC. I hope that you have a wonderful day.
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ATC needs a bloody brain transplant. Someone find a donor and swap it out will you... 😮
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