4:48 Good job getting them back, but I have some “notes” 1. No reason to give emergency aircraft speed changes 2. “Expect landing clearance one mile”; emergency aircraft don’t need landing clearance and this instruction only increases workload. Aircraft on fire is worst possible scenario, so get everyone out of the way and make it easy as possible for crew.
Good points. "speed your discretion" is the only speed communicated to an emergency aircraft. Go-arounds are not an option due to traffic. CLEAR the pace ahead of the aircraft.
All correct. I wondered that it took the fire trucks 2 min to get to the plane after it stopped at taxiway M1. What took them so long. Anyway fortunately no one got hurt, I guess.
Good points (I added a few above). Re landing clearance, crews simply expect this, no matter what. Leaving this out might cause a crew to waste time wondering if the runway is clear. The few words, "Runway 22 Left, clear to land", are I believe worthwhile.
I have never seen an emergency aircraft not receive a landing clearance prior to landing, so what you're suggesting would be extremely non-standard, at least in the US.
I had this in a Dash 8 one time, scared the shit out of me. On a few occasions, I had the recirc fan on 727's fail, and while that never actually causes a fire, it make a nasty electrical stink. That's probably what happened here, but you have to take it deadly seriously.
I just discovered that channel. I am quite concerned by the amount of incidents reported only in the past few days! I was thinking such serious issues like smoke in the cabin were extremely rare.
Wow - first of all, this is incredible work and sincere thanks to those who put the time in to do videos like this. I had no idea this was a thing until I was searching for info on this flight! I was on this flight and I couldn't believe the lack of information provided by the airline. For anyone interested, here are some notes as a passenger: During takeoff, I thought the plane generally had more 'rattle' and seemed less tight and smooth. Nothing major or scary at that time but it was noteable I noted a strong smell of electrical-type fire (burning insulation?) within minutes after takeoff. It did not immediately transfer into alarm, which in retrospect was kind of odd My first awareness that something was wrong was seeing passengers in front of me all start to turn and look backwards. There, I saw all of the cabin crew methodically going through every luggage bin from back to front, inspecting for burning luggage presumably. There was none observed At this point I looked over at the screen on the passenger next to me who had the flight itinerary. I saw instead of Madrid, the destination was now Boston and landing was 10 minutes out. The flight path was clearly curling around Maybe five minutes before touching down, there was an all but unintelligible announcement from the pilot saying there was a 'mechanical issue' and we were returning to Boston. I could see what seemed like dozens of emergency vehicles light up and start to drive in our direction as we landed although I could only see a few outside of the window while we were hanging out in the area before we moved to the gate. Once we were off the plane and back in the terminal, there was literally (shockingly!) ZERO communication from the air line. After maybe 30 minutes we all got a text message saying that the flight was canceled and we would be emailed about further details. I have literally heard nothing since. This was a business flight for me and I live in NH, so I simply drove home and missed the business trip. I was extremely lucky. I feel for all the people that had to suffer more from this truly deplorable customer service and communication from the airline. I do give props to the airline crew and ground control, seeing how this was handled and communicated is so insightful Does anyone know what the "Heavy" designates? Fuel on board? Thanks again for doing this!
Heavy refers to bigger planes, think 747's, 787's 777's, A380's. It's a warning to other, lighter aircraft that there's a possible turbulence issue upon take off or landings. Fuel on board is a common request from air traffic control of emergency aircraft. Can be asked for in lbs, kgs, or quoted to ATC in time. The airport fire services ask this to be informed of possible fuel spillage if the worst could happen.
There are four MTOW (Maximum Take-Off Weight) brackets: Light, Medium, Heavy and Super(heavy), though the two first are not usually mentioned on radio. They are also a good indicator of vortex separation needed between aircraft that are landing or taking off.
@@calasen1554 en inglés a todos se les dice "captain" que yo sepa, y es curioso que respondas en español a alguien que habla en inglés. Por cierto, la voz del segundo piloto me resulta familiar.
@@calasen1554 I've flown Iberia many many times and the when the captain makes the annoucements in Spanish he refers to himself as Comandante but when he makes it in English he refers to himself as ' Captain' .
Glad it ended well for Iberia! And sorry about a trivial question, but do all departing aircraft contact Approach while climbing out? I'm confused, I thought they stayed with Departure.
The second pilot (probably the captain) on radio sounds little bit like one of the pilots from Swissair flight 111 (which crashed into the Atlantic Ocean, Canada because of electrical & instrument failure due to in-flight fire) 🍀
It would be nice if pilot could estimate that it will be overweight landing and keep equipments ready on the landing for potential fire in the cabin or over heating brakes. It was a bit strange to me that nobody assumed the worst and did a usual landing. But glad to see that 294 souls are safe.
As much as I appreciate the extreme clarity in which all controllers spoke during this incident, for the life of me I cannot understand why they waited until the aircraft had pulled off the runway and stopped before ever asking the flight crew if they wanted to roll the trucks, let alone just scrambling them anyway just in case. If the smoke/fire had gotten worse after they landed, the fire vehicles wouldn’t have even been in motion yet. That means all passengers and crew of the aircraft were put in extra risk for no apparent reason.
The aircraft declared an emergency (mayday) much earlier. Getting the fire equipment into position would have happened as a natural course of that notification. Notice how fire trucks were immediately on scene and ready to communicate with the aircraft when clearing the runway.
Rolling the trucks is part of the procedure when a mayday is declared by an inbound flight. Asking the crew whether they needed assistance is a way of asking "what would you like the Fire Brigade to do?". Check brakes, cool them, check for fire, debris, damage, standby for evacuation, etc.
Los pilotos de Iberia son buenos, y el A 330 ha sido un gran avión pero esta ya un poco obsoleto es hora de cambiarlo por el A 330 NEO o el 350 que ya tienen alguno, en este mercado hay que renovar y actualizar. Gran trabajo de coordinación.
Los aviones no son antiguos, si estan bien mantenidos da igual. Creo que el servicuo de IB es muy bueno respecto del mantenimiento. Hay que ver que pasó finalmente.
Los A330-300 y A330-200 que opera Iberia corresponden a las últimas versiones o variantes del modelo, y son aún muy jóvenes, teniendo el más "antiguo" apenas 10 años (EC-LUB, A330-300) y sólo 5 años el más reciente (EC-MUD, A330-200). Son aviones aún nuevos y les quedan muchos años por delante. Del A350, Iberia ya tiene 16 unidades en servicio, pero esos no son para reemplazar a ningún A330, sino que sustituyen a los ya retirados A340-600.
Yes, they did, even with no concrete evidence, you can be sure they did, it's standard procedure. If you listen carefully, you'll hear how the sound quality of their voices slightly changed after they put the masks on.
Is it real or is it an hypothetical case? There is nothing on Safetynetwork about this incident. In fact, the last Iberia incident appears on July 31st, 2008... I don´t understand why is not this incident in Safetynetwork.
Well at least it was raining out as they conducted the approach.... that might have helped 'put out' the fire. All kidding aside... it did strike me interesting that they did not dump fuel prior to landing.
If the plane's on fire then landing as fast as possible and taking the overweight landing is usually the way to go - several other planes have ended up with bad results when they haven't landed asap for things that initially didn't seem too bad.
They did switch almost immediately. Those mics are pretty top class and almost sound unnoticeable that they’re masks. You can still tell because there is a slight echo/cupped sound as they talk.
Great comms and reaction by everyone on this one! But why did they leave the runway plus the fire services not being there immediately? If it actually was a fire, those are precious seconds/minutes! Exactly that error caused many deaths on Saudia 163...
@@Flies2FLL I came here to write exactly that. I'm no pro in this industry, but it seems that MAYDAY calls tend to be used for only the first emergency declaration. "Emergency aircraft" is an excellent way to focus the new freq on who is talking and how they need to respond....
On top of everything else, pilots need excellent English skills. I'd be willing to bet these two started practicing English in kindergarten. It may be a stretch but that early curriculum decision may have hundreds of lives 40 years later. Also, everyone was so polite I had to keep checking to make sure this wasn't in Canada.
Doesn't fly. 1. "...intercept the localizer" NON STANDARD. Which one? Crew is busy and easily distracted. ATC should leave nothing to chance. "Intercept the runway 22 Left localizer" They subsequently manage to fix it with the standard ILS approach callout. 2. ".. runway 22 left, continue..." NON STANDARD "Runway 22 left, continue approach" 3. ".. do you require any assistance?" No S**t sherlock. The Fire Department should have already rolled and *be in place*. Were they? What if the crew had to evacuate? What if the "electrical" smoke revealed a dangerous cargo fire? ATC gets a zero on this one, and perhaps a bonus point for not cluttering up comms time with unnecessary chatter (which is the usual case).
Your response is certainly some of the most presumptuous commentary we have seen in a very very long time. Your Lazy Boy is cleared for take off. Please move your recliner seatback to the up position. Thanks for your cooperation.
I appreciate this pilot telling every switch in his transmission the issue.
"Ok, hi" 😂
Well done by ATC. One of the better responses to an immediate return mayday situation.
👍
Did you mean "emergency"?
@@RLTtizME Don't feed the troll with any oxygen. Maybe he'll go away...
Was at Logan and saw this happen live as I was taking photos, amazing job by everyone involved
👍👍👍😎🙂
Can you share any of those photos? :D
Was on that flight, praying lol
Great judgment to declare the Mayday immediately. The Swissair MD-11 crash comes to mind. Fortunately this flight has Boston immediately behind them.
👍
Better to declare an emergency. More emphasis.
Indeed.
And apparently, due to its trayectory, was bound east directly...
El MD-11 de Swissair tuvo un problema en el sistema de entretenimiento a bordo y la tripulación sólo se percató cuando era muy tarde.
4:48 Good job getting them back, but I have some “notes”
1. No reason to give emergency aircraft speed changes
2. “Expect landing clearance one mile”; emergency aircraft don’t need landing clearance and this instruction only increases workload. Aircraft on fire is worst possible scenario, so get everyone out of the way and make it easy as possible for crew.
Good points. "speed your discretion" is the only speed communicated to an emergency aircraft. Go-arounds are not an option due to traffic. CLEAR the pace ahead of the aircraft.
All correct. I wondered that it took the fire trucks 2 min to get to the plane after it stopped at taxiway M1. What took them so long. Anyway fortunately no one got hurt, I guess.
Good points (I added a few above). Re landing clearance, crews simply expect this, no matter what. Leaving this out might cause a crew to waste time wondering if the runway is clear. The few words, "Runway 22 Left, clear to land", are I believe worthwhile.
Have you ever had to pull the fire handles on your BarcaLounger?
I have never seen an emergency aircraft not receive a landing clearance prior to landing, so what you're suggesting would be extremely non-standard, at least in the US.
Very very well done by all. Very quick and concise.
👍👍👍
Extremely professional crew!
Great crew professionalism and excellent ATC response
I had this in a Dash 8 one time, scared the shit out of me. On a few occasions, I had the recirc fan on 727's fail, and while that never actually causes a fire, it make a nasty electrical stink. That's probably what happened here, but you have to take it deadly seriously.
I just discovered that channel. I am quite concerned by the amount of incidents reported only in the past few days! I was thinking such serious issues like smoke in the cabin were extremely rare.
Not a good couple of days for Iberia at Logan. Yesterday IBE2626 returned for a maintenance issue.
It was LEVEL, tail number EC-NRG, A330-200.
Era un vuelo de Level. Una charter responsabilidad inventada por un inglés llamado walsh, traidor a su Irlanda natal.
I was on this flight. Coming home, our flight was delayed in Madrid due to maintenance issues
The only thing more terrifying than seeing smoke in the cabin is seeing actual flames.
What about terrorists? Or Godzilla? Or a nuke explosion through the window?
Debatable, having smoke with hidden flames is worse, it means you don't know what the fires doing, where it is and you can't put it out.
Thank you very much for picking this incident up!🙂👍
Thank you for watching 🙂
@@YouCanSeeATC 🙂👍
@@YouCanSeeATC 🙂👍
40,000 subscribers! 🤯🎉🎉🎉🎉
So well deserved!
I remember when it was at 1000.
@@msjdb723 Thank you very much.🙂
Such professionalism by all involved!
👍
those face mask mic's sound a LOT better than the others' i have heard
Some of the S&M models are even better. Preferred two to one by EuroBrits.
Wow - first of all, this is incredible work and sincere thanks to those who put the time in to do videos like this. I had no idea this was a thing until I was searching for info on this flight! I was on this flight and I couldn't believe the lack of information provided by the airline. For anyone interested, here are some notes as a passenger:
During takeoff, I thought the plane generally had more 'rattle' and seemed less tight and smooth. Nothing major or scary at that time but it was noteable
I noted a strong smell of electrical-type fire (burning insulation?) within minutes after takeoff. It did not immediately transfer into alarm, which in retrospect was kind of odd
My first awareness that something was wrong was seeing passengers in front of me all start to turn and look backwards. There, I saw all of the cabin crew methodically going through every luggage bin from back to front, inspecting for burning luggage presumably. There was none observed
At this point I looked over at the screen on the passenger next to me who had the flight itinerary. I saw instead of Madrid, the destination was now Boston and landing was 10 minutes out. The flight path was clearly curling around
Maybe five minutes before touching down, there was an all but unintelligible announcement from the pilot saying there was a 'mechanical issue' and we were returning to Boston.
I could see what seemed like dozens of emergency vehicles light up and start to drive in our direction as we landed although I could only see a few outside of the window while we were hanging out in the area before we moved to the gate.
Once we were off the plane and back in the terminal, there was literally (shockingly!) ZERO communication from the air line. After maybe 30 minutes we all got a text message saying that the flight was canceled and we would be emailed about further details. I have literally heard nothing since.
This was a business flight for me and I live in NH, so I simply drove home and missed the business trip. I was extremely lucky. I feel for all the people that had to suffer more from this truly deplorable customer service and communication from the airline.
I do give props to the airline crew and ground control, seeing how this was handled and communicated is so insightful
Does anyone know what the "Heavy" designates? Fuel on board?
Thanks again for doing this!
Heavy refers to bigger planes, think 747's, 787's 777's, A380's. It's a warning to other, lighter aircraft that there's a possible turbulence issue upon take off or landings. Fuel on board is a common request from air traffic control of emergency aircraft. Can be asked for in lbs, kgs, or quoted to ATC in time. The airport fire services ask this to be informed of possible fuel spillage if the worst could happen.
There are four MTOW (Maximum Take-Off Weight) brackets: Light, Medium, Heavy and Super(heavy), though the two first are not usually mentioned on radio. They are also a good indicator of vortex separation needed between aircraft that are landing or taking off.
"Expect landing clearance in about one mile." No worries, I think they're gonna land regardless.
Not if there is a runway obstruction.
Great job crew and atc
👍😎😊
Good job, guys.
👍👍👍👍🙂
Great job by everyone, especially those Iberia captains.
👍
En Iberia no hay capitanes.
Son comandantes.
@@calasen1554 en inglés a todos se les dice "captain" que yo sepa, y es curioso que respondas en español a alguien que habla en inglés. Por cierto, la voz del segundo piloto me resulta familiar.
@@calasen1554 en ingles se dice captains , no comandants lmaooooo
@@calasen1554 I've flown Iberia many many times and the when the captain makes the annoucements in Spanish he refers to himself as Comandante but when he makes it in English he refers to himself as ' Captain' .
Glad it ended well for Iberia!
And sorry about a trivial question, but do all departing aircraft contact Approach while climbing out? I'm confused, I thought they stayed with Departure.
That happened due to airspace structure.
Smoke in the cockpit ouch!
The second pilot (probably the captain) on radio sounds little bit like one of the pilots from Swissair flight 111 (which crashed into the Atlantic Ocean, Canada because of electrical & instrument failure due to in-flight fire) 🍀
Good job from both sides , cockpit/atc
Proud of our airline! Regards from Spain!!
👍👍👍
Si estás tan orgulloso dilo en español.
VIVA 🇪🇦🇨🇱 ESPAÑA Y CHILE.
I had left one week before this happened but my dad left on this flight be he said it was due to a technical failure
It would be nice if pilot could estimate that it will be overweight landing and keep equipments ready on the landing for potential fire in the cabin or over heating brakes. It was a bit strange to me that nobody assumed the worst and did a usual landing. But glad to see that 294 souls are safe.
How far north were they, seems like PSM would have been a straight in shot for them
As much as I appreciate the extreme clarity in which all controllers spoke during this incident, for the life of me I cannot understand why they waited until the aircraft had pulled off the runway and stopped before ever asking the flight crew if they wanted to roll the trucks, let alone just scrambling them anyway just in case. If the smoke/fire had gotten worse after they landed, the fire vehicles wouldn’t have even been in motion yet. That means all passengers and crew of the aircraft were put in extra risk for no apparent reason.
The aircraft declared an emergency (mayday) much earlier. Getting the fire equipment into position would have happened as a natural course of that notification. Notice how fire trucks were immediately on scene and ready to communicate with the aircraft when clearing the runway.
Rolling the trucks is part of the procedure when a mayday is declared by an inbound flight. Asking the crew whether they needed assistance is a way of asking "what would you like the Fire Brigade to do?". Check brakes, cool them, check for fire, debris, damage, standby for evacuation, etc.
What if it happened in the middle of the ocean?
Why do some pilots say mayday and some say they are declaring an emergency?
“Mayday” is more urgent. It gets attention right away. These pilots wanted to come right in, without dumping fuel.
I'm trying to decide if they sound more bored or annoyed. Cool customers!
Any idea how much overweight was the plane during landing?
Considering that they were in for an atlantic tranfer, probably nearly topped off.
45tons of fuel is a lot.
OMG THIS IS THE FLIGHT MY DAD WAS ON
🙈
Pues cuenta que lo conoces de primera mano.
What is actually "electrical smoke"? Burning / melting cable insulation?
Yeah, like when you smell melted plastic. An electrical failure possibly due to a short circuit.
Cool
Smoooke in the cockpit...and fire in the sky
Los pilotos de Iberia son buenos, y el A 330 ha sido un gran avión pero esta ya un poco obsoleto es hora de cambiarlo por el A 330 NEO o el 350 que ya tienen alguno, en este mercado hay que renovar y actualizar. Gran trabajo de coordinación.
Los aviones no son antiguos, si estan bien mantenidos da igual. Creo que el servicuo de IB es muy bueno respecto del mantenimiento. Hay que ver que pasó finalmente.
Los A330-300 y A330-200 que opera Iberia corresponden a las últimas versiones o variantes del modelo, y son aún muy jóvenes, teniendo el más "antiguo" apenas 10 años (EC-LUB, A330-300) y sólo 5 años el más reciente (EC-MUD, A330-200). Son aviones aún nuevos y les quedan muchos años por delante.
Del A350, Iberia ya tiene 16 unidades en servicio, pero esos no son para reemplazar a ningún A330, sino que sustituyen a los ya retirados A340-600.
No hay previsto incorporar nuevos A330 entonces?
Jeez. I assume they had oxygen masks to avoid suffocation.
Yes, they did, even with no concrete evidence, you can be sure they did, it's standard procedure. If you listen carefully, you'll hear how the sound quality of their voices slightly changed after they put the masks on.
airplane filled with smoke and they are going to the gate????? ever heard of preventive disembarkation with slides?
Someone started the patatas bravas😂
All the reasons why some people should be paid very well . When so many people on board 294 , that works out to be making $294 a uear, well deserved
A "continue approach" instead of "cleared to land number 3" from an American ATC? I'm shocked
@@YT_niuniuhhh I was talking about the tower controller
Those stale scones make you nuts.
That's when everyone earns their paycheck.
Is it real or is it an hypothetical case? There is nothing on Safetynetwork about this incident. In fact, the last Iberia incident appears on July 31st, 2008... I don´t understand why is not this incident in Safetynetwork.
It was very real, I was on this flight
@@johnwillinski8955 Ok
Well at least it was raining out as they conducted the approach.... that might have helped 'put out' the fire. All kidding aside... it did strike me interesting that they did not dump fuel prior to landing.
No fuel dump possible on that a330 I believe
If the plane's on fire then landing as fast as possible and taking the overweight landing is usually the way to go - several other planes have ended up with bad results when they haven't landed asap for things that initially didn't seem too bad.
Shouldn't the pilots switch to oxygen when they have smoke before it's hard to breathe?
They did switch almost immediately. Those mics are pretty top class and almost sound unnoticeable that they’re masks. You can still tell because there is a slight echo/cupped sound as they talk.
@@georgeeeles3024
You can actualy tell when they switch to the Oxygen masks, it sounds different from the regular mike.
GRANDEZA ESPAÑOLA Y GRAN TRABAJO POR AMBOS.
Great comms and reaction by everyone on this one! But why did they leave the runway plus the fire services not being there immediately? If it actually was a fire, those are precious seconds/minutes! Exactly that error caused many deaths on Saudia 163...
Why does the pilot keep repeating mayday and smoke in the cabin? Does he think they forgot?
There is two frequency changes
@@SuperJohn626 Thanks.
I don't think you have to say that every time. It is good to say "emergency aircraft" when you talk to a new controller though.
@@Flies2FLL That's what I was thinking.
@@Flies2FLL I came here to write exactly that. I'm no pro in this industry, but it seems that MAYDAY calls tend to be used for only the first emergency declaration. "Emergency aircraft" is an excellent way to focus the new freq on who is talking and how they need to respond....
calm as a cuke
On top of everything else, pilots need excellent English skills. I'd be willing to bet these two started practicing English in kindergarten. It may be a stretch but that early curriculum decision may have hundreds of lives 40 years later.
Also, everyone was so polite I had to keep checking to make sure this wasn't in Canada.
It was probably all the dust and rags and detritus down the back of the seats combusting. Iberia are notorious for it.
Doesn't fly.
1. "...intercept the localizer"
NON STANDARD.
Which one? Crew is busy and easily distracted. ATC should leave nothing to chance. "Intercept the runway 22 Left localizer"
They subsequently manage to fix it with the standard ILS approach callout.
2. ".. runway 22 left, continue..."
NON STANDARD
"Runway 22 left, continue approach"
3. ".. do you require any assistance?"
No S**t sherlock. The Fire Department should have already rolled and *be in place*. Were they? What if the crew had to evacuate? What if the "electrical" smoke revealed a dangerous cargo fire?
ATC gets a zero on this one, and perhaps a bonus point for not cluttering up comms time with unnecessary chatter (which is the usual case).
Your response is certainly some of the most presumptuous commentary we have seen in a very very long time. Your Lazy Boy is cleared for take off. Please move your recliner seatback to the up position. Thanks for your cooperation.
@@RLTtizME Try an honest and experienced critique of the comms, rather than of those who offer it.
@@k1mgy LOL.....words of a presumptuous tool.
Si lo ponéis en español lo entenderíamos todos.