You def need it to be self balancing(needs to control its own torque). If you go deeper with this concept, you could look into vesc one wheels. The controller could pretty much just drop straight into your frame.
Careful, Onewheel (future motion) are notorious patent trolls. They copied and patented a design by Ben Smither in 2007 and for the Onewheel and now aggressively sue competitors. They will likely try and patent this too. They also are VERY anti consumer and anti right to repair on their existing products.
@@TucksProjectshonestly @rclifeon should probably file a patent on the concept before onewheel does. Gotta love companies that make products with insane levels of planned obsolescence.
I'd stay away from anything from Future Motion. Lots of people love the onewheel but over the years the company has done some very trashy moves. I wish they didn't manage the patents like they do
Like on your electric snow racer it needs suspension to maintain ground contact or like with the other iteration with the big wheel it requires some added weight for traction. Probably didn’t need me to tell you that sorry if you see this as an attack on your intelligence, just suggestions. Also keep up the good work and thank you for the videos, and the one track is pretty cool maybe a programmable esc might help with the acceleration of the motor and maybe an alteration to the design of the tracks where they are wider and thicker to deal with weight dispersal.
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Yeah... added traction also means added traction on slide surface. Issue was lack of suspension and track was too high comparing the snow surface. After adding suspension of push the track on the snow, next issue would become how much the printed everything can take. From the possible ideas the board made more sense. The one wheel i would just put to replace bicycle rear tire and put ski on front. Even then it would only work in shallow snow, while powder really needs rubber track of a snowmobile to have any decent action in actual snow. Hell even snowmobiles struggle on some kinds of snow, i have gotten stuck plenty of times even though its long track model with plenty of power and only me as cargo. Also thing to consider is to have some kind of shield since if the track snaps, what are the directions for it to fly towards?
Been watching this channel for a good couple of years now. Never had any interest in a onewheel till this year. Just bought one last week and now out of the blue he posts a video like this. We live in a simulation I stg. Love this channel and ow.
I just want to take the time to say thanks. As an aspiring mechanical engineering student, you really inspire me to try new things because there's merit in experimenting. You make really cool stuff that honestly tickle my brain and make me think which I appreciate and enjoy. Cheers!
I think the biggest issue with the tracked "onewheel" is the high center of gravity. I think if you could lower your gearing so you get smoother lower rpm torque and add an IMU for basic balance control it could work better.
Maybe look into printing in a honey comb pattern, it makes the prints 30% stronger. Also maybe a torque coupler would help too. Awesome video and can't wait to see more from you.
FOR STRONGEST 3D PRINTS - print max number of walls(perimeters)... infill is not important... If you calibrate flow correctly you can put 100 walls so your whole model is only walls, no infill. Also, print at pretty much max temp of your filament (around 220°C for PLA). Model orientation matters a lot - usually it can withstand 2x stronger forces in horizontal than vertical direction. For stronger layer adhesion print slower, smaller layer height and 0% fan (except where you have bridging). This is all backed up experimentally in many videos of CNC Kitchen guy.
hey man good effort. both projects had potential. remember, the onewheel has integrated hoverboard style balancing electronics in it to help it stay stable. that would obviously make it alot easier to ride. on the other hand, the track has a flat contact patch that should be a statically stable balanced state and a very dramatically variable torque if it tips away from the whole surface contacting the ground, so i'm not sure how well the dynamic balancing electronics would work without completely different tuning. it wouldn't just be fighting against keeping your platform from tipping forwards and backwards but also the huge variations in applied torque if the track goes from its massive contact patch to tipping back and only riding on 1 or 2 links around the rear 'wheel'. wheelieing on the rear 'wheel' would be comparable but then theres no real point to it being a track over a wheel with grippy tread. it can still be salvaged though, maybe into a seated snowmobile or or something. anyway, nice to see you, keep it up!
Yah Daniels stuff would be better if he wasn't such a trump loving boomer's boy.. the toxic masculinity and Nazi vibes are real, even had a mod in his discord with a swastika flag for an avatar.
For the snowboard, place the motor behind the tracks, to distribute the weight. Put it on the end of a beam, so you can adjust the height, and add a cantilever load (weight.)
I think you should revisit this with a gearing change raise the front a tooth or lower the rear a few and see if that torque is a little more manageable. Keep up the awesome videos. Love watching you make stuff.
Your 3D Print mounts are often so simple, you could make them faster, cheaper and easier out of sheet metal. And they will not break. I see you making torque parts out of 3D print plastic so regularly, and everytime I patiently wait for the moment when they fail
@@spaceboi4468Yeah but he spent a whole kg of plastic on a single motor mount. That's 20 bucks roughly. You can make a sheet metal mount pretty quickly with primitive tools for 5 bucks of material. And it will be even lighter
Do you know a place to buy this tracks that isn't super expensive? I have a similar project in mind I have been looking for some similar type of track. Thanks
Looks like the track was on the wrong way around while on the snowboard. The ”scoops” were facing the wrong way, but on the onewheel it was turning the way they were designed 😊
For the snow, I think the blades just aren't positioned right. They're almost level with the board and it just pushes the top layer straight back. Snowmobiles really dig into the snow and the ENTIRE bottom of the snowmobile is treads, so the entire weight of the snowmobile on on those treads, which allows it to really dig in. Also, having a longer length of treads gives an area where it can push snow/sand backwards and that snow/sand can not just be flung back, like when a tire tried to spin in snow and sand. It also had a LOT of flat surface against the ground and that could be limiting also. Having a more parabolic/curved surface might limit contact and friction. I really think the original design could work if tweaked/adjusted a little better.
Lock up vescify, VESC motor controller that gives you one wheel self balance features. Like future motion, but if you disconnect your battery is will not brick it self.
Cool video dude, I'm bummed that it doesn't work, but seeing Major Hardware trying one "professionally made" that's pretty much as flawed as yours I didn't expect much, cool entertainment and design !
We know you wont give up that easy. Whatever improvements you do make sure you add a guard for the treads on top, to Prevent your pants cuff from getting caught by the treads. Also it wont allow dirt to be throw on your pants.
On electric skateboards you have an ESC control unit that makes sure you get a smooth start and stop. I recommend you either buy one and use that maybe?
Suggestion for the snowboard, make the tread lower on the board so it can drive into the ground better. For the onewheel, you would have probably benefited from some kind of gyro. Maybe take one of your drone controllers and abuse that to make a gyro. Awesome video, I sympathise with everything not working out, happens to me too. Sad but hey its all about the fun and learning!
I really wanted to build something like the snowboard version you built when I was younger. This one wheel version looks incredible. Please revisit this with a vesc. I really want to see this work. I would love to ride one on snow. I honestly might have to build one of these. Thank You
Adding an Arduino with a couple of accelerometers could help you moderate your motor output to make starting and stopping less violent. Very cool project!
Your motorized snowboard could work. If you add a suspension setup to push the treads into the ground it will dig the treads in to put that torque to use in the snow.
You def need it to be self balancing(needs to control its own torque). If you go deeper with this concept, you could look into vesc one wheels. The controller could pretty much just drop straight into your frame.
Or get a gyro and RCTestFlight to implement some ArduPilot self-balancing board mode. ;)
I agree, it is a control system problem. I admire his persistence and hope he continues on this one. SO COOL!
Vesc would be great making it an actual "one wheel" that would most likely also be able to go up that hill without issues.
a spring chain tensioner would help the chain slap .
my thought exactly. should do a collab with RCTestflight, send him your stuff, make him fit a pid control loop based on kalman gyro/acc
10:44 that face of disappointment inching along out of the view was brilliant! 🤣
Awesome video and great effort, we can't win them all!
Haha ja 100%! :D
No imperial measssures involved here.^^
@@hanswurstusbrachialus5213 nope, but inch works better in that sentence than centimeters, don't you agree?
He must first have an advanced expression control system
Super fun! We’ve been wanting to try this out ourselves! If you want to try to refine your design shoot us a message. We might be able to help out!
Id buy it
Careful, Onewheel (future motion) are notorious patent trolls. They copied and patented a design by Ben Smither in 2007 and for the Onewheel and now aggressively sue competitors. They will likely try and patent this too. They also are VERY anti consumer and anti right to repair on their existing products.
Why dont you go worry about your product recalls, bad designs, and anti consumer practices instead of commenting on videos...
@@TucksProjectshonestly @rclifeon should probably file a patent on the concept before onewheel does. Gotta love companies that make products with insane levels of planned obsolescence.
I'd stay away from anything from Future Motion. Lots of people love the onewheel but over the years the company has done some very trashy moves.
I wish they didn't manage the patents like they do
Like on your electric snow racer it needs suspension to maintain ground contact or like with the other iteration with the big wheel it requires some added weight for traction. Probably didn’t need me to tell you that sorry if you see this as an attack on your intelligence, just suggestions. Also keep up the good work and thank you for the videos, and the one track is pretty cool maybe a programmable esc might help with the acceleration of the motor and maybe an alteration to the design of the tracks where they are wider and thicker to deal with weight dispersal.
That was my thought to, even before he tested it. When he stod on it the whole drivetrain flexed upwards and didnt get any weight down on the ground.
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🔴 It also teaches that God is nothing like a human being or like anything that we can imagine.
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how is this guy still alive
7:35
normal people: take pets for walk
simon: takes snowboard 2000 for a walk
Snow board would've worked if you had lowered the track further. It had power but not enough weight for the tracks to get grip
14:13, Glass is glass and glass breaks
I caught that too!
Make a drone that will fly using motors that will move once a minute!!!
We all know by now that you are brilliant AF. BUT…
When you showed up at the beach, I said to myself, huh…. 😂😂
Yeah... added traction also means added traction on slide surface. Issue was lack of suspension and track was too high comparing the snow surface. After adding suspension of push the track on the snow, next issue would become how much the printed everything can take. From the possible ideas the board made more sense. The one wheel i would just put to replace bicycle rear tire and put ski on front. Even then it would only work in shallow snow, while powder really needs rubber track of a snowmobile to have any decent action in actual snow. Hell even snowmobiles struggle on some kinds of snow, i have gotten stuck plenty of times even though its long track model with plenty of power and only me as cargo.
Also thing to consider is to have some kind of shield since if the track snaps, what are the directions for it to fly towards?
rcLifeOn vs rcTestFlight is the colab this world needs!
It's the right arm at 7:31 🤣
Such beautiful snowy landscape.
Been watching this channel for a good couple of years now. Never had any interest in a onewheel till this year. Just bought one last week and now out of the blue he posts a video like this. We live in a simulation I stg. Love this channel and ow.
Don't give up on the tracked snow board!
Totally! I had basically that same idea several years ago when I was obsessed with snowboarding. I always wondered if it could work.
Next you could go back to the snowboard and do dual tracks but use all aluminum frame, not the snowboard itself
All of his edits make me so happy
still waiting for the day dude figures out that adding perimeters to prints makes them stronger.
Whats that?
I just want to take the time to say thanks. As an aspiring mechanical engineering student, you really inspire me to try new things because there's merit in experimenting. You make really cool stuff that honestly tickle my brain and make me think which I appreciate and enjoy. Cheers!
I've never seen anyone make such good use of a 3D printer. Awesome!
overuse ≠ good use
Then you haven't seen much in life sadly.
Man wtf? I made my snowboard electric with those sames freaking stl files from RcTestFlight!
Baffled to see we had the same idea 😊
That "ski resort" is just next to where I live! Well, in country side terms. Very cool project!
I think the biggest issue with the tracked "onewheel" is the high center of gravity. I think if you could lower your gearing so you get smoother lower rpm torque and add an IMU for basic balance control it could work better.
Funny the person who made the most popular open source self balancing code is also named Mitch!
Maybe look into printing in a honey comb pattern, it makes the prints 30% stronger. Also maybe a torque coupler would help too. Awesome video and can't wait to see more from you.
Revolution Race pants look fly as frick man.
You are a natural... entertainer!
Just want to say I’ve been here since your first vid and I got into 3d modeling and printing because of your channel. Cheers!
Awesome! Pls build it out. Love to see this as an trail unitrack
The "Snowmobil Snowboard" idea might work well on a powdery mountain in the winter. If you try it im waiting for the inevitable Cboys collab :D
FOR STRONGEST 3D PRINTS - print max number of walls(perimeters)... infill is not important... If you calibrate flow correctly you can put 100 walls so your whole model is only walls, no infill. Also, print at pretty much max temp of your filament (around 220°C for PLA). Model orientation matters a lot - usually it can withstand 2x stronger forces in horizontal than vertical direction. For stronger layer adhesion print slower, smaller layer height and 0% fan (except where you have bridging). This is all backed up experimentally in many videos of CNC Kitchen guy.
i like that you fully included the sand driving scene xD
Very cool build!
Rather than splitting and stapling heat shrink, a very good option is something called fusion tape. Works great for stuff like that.
hey man good effort. both projects had potential. remember, the onewheel has integrated hoverboard style balancing electronics in it to help it stay stable. that would obviously make it alot easier to ride.
on the other hand, the track has a flat contact patch that should be a statically stable balanced state and a very dramatically variable torque if it tips away from the whole surface contacting the ground, so i'm not sure how well the dynamic balancing electronics would work without completely different tuning. it wouldn't just be fighting against keeping your platform from tipping forwards and backwards but also the huge variations in applied torque if the track goes from its massive contact patch to tipping back and only riding on 1 or 2 links around the rear 'wheel'.
wheelieing on the rear 'wheel' would be comparable but then theres no real point to it being a track over a wheel with grippy tread.
it can still be salvaged though, maybe into a seated snowmobile or or something. anyway, nice to see you, keep it up!
Genius. Plz give us more
Whoa rctestflight crossover. My two favourite channels!
Yah Daniels stuff would be better if he wasn't such a trump loving boomer's boy.. the toxic masculinity and Nazi vibes are real, even had a mod in his discord with a swastika flag for an avatar.
For the snowboard, place the motor behind the tracks, to distribute the weight.
Put it on the end of a beam, so you can adjust the height, and add a cantilever load (weight.)
I think you should revisit this with a gearing change raise the front a tooth or lower the rear a few and see if that torque is a little more manageable. Keep up the awesome videos. Love watching you make stuff.
That one wheeled contraption looks like a meat-grinder torture device!! I love it!!
You are crazy bro. Please never change. You are clever.
In your line of work, I'd call each project a success if you are still breathing at the end of testing it.
Besides the awesome projects, your editing with the bad words is hilarious 😂🍻
You need a cnc router. Just make the mounts from metal, so much easier and no more breaking.
Put a VESC controller in it and run float package. That should help it run better
Ye, already has a VESC just need Gyro IMU wired up
I swear each cut you're wearing even more RVRC gear :D (love their stuff) hahah
The project may have failed for you but the video was still a banger
Love your content ❤
same!!
7:33 "And IIIII, Waaaaaas, RUNNNNNING!" 🤣
100% Would watch again. 👍
this needs a gyro feedback control system so it behaves like an actual onewheel, then maybe you can ride it with all its power.
Yea the VESC project has self balancing features. Easy enough to setup
I love this man! I fail on the regular and glad to see we all do it.
Your 3D Print mounts are often so simple, you could make them faster, cheaper and easier out of sheet metal. And they will not break. I see you making torque parts out of 3D print plastic so regularly, and everytime I patiently wait for the moment when they fail
I think he is using pla, he should realy try pctg(yes with a c), or tough pla before spending the money to get the parts made of a sheet of medal
@@spaceboi4468Yeah but he spent a whole kg of plastic on a single motor mount. That's 20 bucks roughly. You can make a sheet metal mount pretty quickly with primitive tools for 5 bucks of material. And it will be even lighter
maybe double the length of the track and then mount the snowboard on top?
The weather in Trollhättan has been crazy😂
this is actually such a cool concept. if you had a self balancing mechanism the way one wheel does, this would be such a great little vehicle!
Can you please provide info on what planetary gear reducer you used?
Split ring compound planatery is what it seems to look like but not sure
Or maybe a simple planatery
they make small rubber tracks for snowblowers. id say to have a reliable tracked one wheel that's what you would need.
Do you know a place to buy this tracks that isn't super expensive? I have a similar project in mind I have been looking for some similar type of track.
Thanks
@@nbasseI think a place that services snowblowers maybe would have spares? Or just AliExpress and pay $$$ and wait months
You should try to see if flexible TPU is better for the tracks
Amazed the plastic parts put up with as much as they did!
Check out the open source VESC projects.. has a balancing algo in it already ...
^this. You need to add a cheap Gyro IMU then it works perfectly
2:31 It's crazy that you summoned the void just to take shots of the sparks flying
Man you are awsome! This and youtube channel staff made its best!
Looks like the track was on the wrong way around while on the snowboard. The ”scoops” were facing the wrong way, but on the onewheel it was turning the way they were designed 😊
You should add a rotation sensor, letting it measure your lean like a normal one-wheel
Yea there is open source code for it!
Future motion is coming
10:17 starts the beginning of the best 33 seconds ever produced on RUclips.
Огонь!!! Дружище, ты лучший!!!
I would love to see you take the tracked onewheel project farther with actual self balancing!!!! I think that is an incredible idea!!
For the snow, I think the blades just aren't positioned right. They're almost level with the board and it just pushes the top layer straight back. Snowmobiles really dig into the snow and the ENTIRE bottom of the snowmobile is treads, so the entire weight of the snowmobile on on those treads, which allows it to really dig in. Also, having a longer length of treads gives an area where it can push snow/sand backwards and that snow/sand can not just be flung back, like when a tire tried to spin in snow and sand. It also had a LOT of flat surface against the ground and that could be limiting also. Having a more parabolic/curved surface might limit contact and friction. I really think the original design could work if tweaked/adjusted a little better.
Probably need to add a dynamic motor controller much the same as the one wheel
Actually the VESC he used already supports self balancing. Only a gyro module needed.
That’s so cool bro, keep working on that project ✊
Thank you! Love the ideas and execution, and I haven’t laughed this hard for a while. Keep it up!! 👍
We appreciate a video that other RUclipsr would rather not to upload just to not share their failure.
Fail and fail again until you succeed
I just got to say thanks. Great vid, always happy to see you in my feed. LOL'd a bunch which was needed from my regular work sched👍
Lock up vescify, VESC motor controller that gives you one wheel self balance features. Like future motion, but if you disconnect your battery is will not brick it self.
Amazing ain't it
Or could have added a thread guard on top of em so you could stand on it so it would get traction as body shifts position
Cool video dude, I'm bummed that it doesn't work, but seeing Major Hardware trying one "professionally made" that's pretty much as flawed as yours I didn't expect much, cool entertainment and design !
Try to use a Gyro tilt sensor to try to balance like a Hoverboard, Its way easier to control!!!
We know you wont give up that easy. Whatever improvements you do make sure you add a guard for the treads on top, to Prevent your pants cuff from getting caught by the treads. Also it wont allow dirt to be throw on your pants.
Look into the ripple electric snowboard
Finally an eternity later here he is ❤
Good job. Keep experimenting.
On electric skateboards you have an ESC control unit that makes sure you get a smooth start and stop.
I recommend you either buy one and use that maybe?
Your videos make me happy.🙂
But did the plastic scratch at level 6 with deeper grooves at level 7?
3d printed more like a level 4
Suggestion for the snowboard, make the tread lower on the board so it can drive into the ground better. For the onewheel, you would have probably benefited from some kind of gyro. Maybe take one of your drone controllers and abuse that to make a gyro.
Awesome video, I sympathise with everything not working out, happens to me too. Sad but hey its all about the fun and learning!
You need actual foc controller with good current control like many vesc based controllers for smooth control
I love watching your videos dude, your so optimistic and it nearly always bites you in the arse. Brilliant. 🤣👍❤️
I think this can get better and better.
I like your videos. Unlike most YTubers, you know how to make good videos.
7:00 min looks like you were walking the dog lol great video!
OneWheelers will NOT work without an IMU!
We need a v2 of this one!
I really wanted to build something like the snowboard version you built when I was younger. This one wheel version looks incredible. Please revisit this with a vesc. I really want to see this work. I would love to ride one on snow. I honestly might have to build one of these. Thank You
I think you need a gyroscope to control the speed, longer and smoother tracks.
Adding an Arduino with a couple of accelerometers could help you moderate your motor output to make starting and stopping less violent. Very cool project!
Add some PWM and the balance control PID circuit, and bro, you totally got an awesome invention. A 1 wheel snow mobile. :D
Simon good to see you from Canada
You could make a parallelogram swing mount that has a spring, possibly adjustable, to put tension on the tracks. With the snowboard design that is.
Swag build, I had the same idea a few months back love to see other people think similarly
Your motorized snowboard could work. If you add a suspension setup to push the treads into the ground it will dig the treads in to put that torque to use in the snow.
Woha! Just looking at the thumbnail, it know that was a RCLifeOn video, and sure it was!