In the Comics the Stones are parts of the sentient being Nemesis. Tired of her existence she forced herself to shatter into what we know as the Infinity Stones/Gems. There's also a seventh stone that brings all the other stones together. I believe it was called the Ego Stone. If the Eternals continues Nemesis, the Ego Stone, or the Infinity Stones could return in future phases. Though I believe Marvel/Disney doesn't want to go back that route lol. Eternal Sercy could be the reincarnation of Nemesis.
According to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's explanation of things, four cosmic entities exist that predate the universe and thus were involved in creating the Infinity Stones at the time of the Big Bang. These four cosmic entities are revealed to be Death, Entropy, Infinity, and Eternity, so i dont think Celestials were involved in the making of the stones but i am not 100% sure so you could be right, hopefully Marvel will explain things further.
The Celestials also predate the current universe in the comics. They are much older than the 4 cosmic entities you mentioned, who (like Galactus) predate only the current iteration of the universe, which is the seventh. The Celestials date back to the first one, and are the oldest entities which still exist, since the Apsirants are all gone. Now granted that's the comics, the MCU may decide to make the Celestials less ancient than Infinity, Eternity, Entropy and death. We'll have to see if that's the case, and if they had any role in creating the stones.
if you zoom in where Black Widow died and Gamora, you see the tattoo like print of a Celestial. if your theory is correct, could Vorameir be a dead celestial?
@@bobreynolds9827 that wouldn’t make sense. That knowhere head was a direct Easter egg for the king in black series. Gorr the god butcher will kick this off and tie together knowhere from first gardian movie. Plus the stones were created by Big Bang in mcu. Before the celestials came into being…….
I thought it was explained in a guide book that they were created by Infinity, Eternity, Entropy and Death? We also see their statues in Love and Thunder trailer confirming they're canon
@@americanpaisareturns9051 Malekith in fact did not make the reality stone, ONLY the One Above All is above and created them to maintain his creation of life
@@tmac731 “There are relics that predate the universe itself. Their leader Malekith made a weapon out of that darkness. It was called the Aether.” - Odin Malekith made the Aether which is the Reality Stone. Which Thor explains isn’t even really a stone. It’s a more of a sludge thing.
My theory is better. The stones were utilized by the celestials. They used them for billions of years, allowing them to understand how each atom in each stone worked. So they essentially learned the stones therfore not needing them anymore which is why when Thanos took them they didn't give a crap. They are essentially the embodiment of the stones now due to using them for billions of years. My theory leaves in tact the lore, leaves the stones true creator unknown, and ups the ante of their historic importance in the MCU. What do you think?
Well actually, the six infinity stones are embodiment of Death, Entropy, Eternity and Infinity. But in the other comic lore, there's a 7th infinity stone, The Ego Stone, and it is created by Nemesis.
Maybe the reason why the Celestial did not use the stones anymore is because it has something to do with the intervention of the gods. Arishem made the first mistake to let loose the Deviants and the second mistake is possibly when gods evolved so powerful enough to harness the Infinity stones and began their conquest. The gods may have bargained (threatened) the Celestials not to annihilate them, the same thing that Doctor Strange did with Dormammu when he had the Time stone. The gods collecting the stones could've caused for more powerful entities to intervene and judge whether to exterminate them to make sure they won't distort the reality and rebel them or let them go as gods don't have that intention in the first place allowing them to have some place and dominion over the universe. This would also make the gods to be aware that there are hierarchies of powerful entities that exist beyond and so they have to respect the system, proven in the Thor's third movie trailer where there were golden statues of them in a mysterious place where Jane went. Ofc, the Infinity stones may be too powerful for the Celestials especially when some of them would use it against each other that they have to scattered and abandon it so it won't be used other than formulating methods to birth more of their kind. Or there was an 'entity' so powerful that it could 'kill' a Celestial and thus their system was shattered, the Infinity stones were scattered, and they are doing now doing on their own since then like Arishem monitoring the Celestial seeds, Ego expanding his own, Eson annihilated a planet for some reason, and even an unknown Celestial doing a secret business with Starfox hinted in the Eternals movie.
many things bring up the questions like "IS it possible someone is able to use the infinity stones to add life or transplant a celestial somewhere else and give it enough power to grow or hatch?" or can people use the infinity stones to provide more like or creations in the universe to AID the growth like the celestials? or can someone fight null with the infinity stones? or what about the department of time that has LOTS of infinity stones ... could they go there and with LOTS of versions of infinity stones gathered together could they use that to work on a galactic universal scale and fight Null or Galactius ? could they use the infinity stones to AID thanos and make him a hero instead of villian ... in other change him so he fights for life and find another way to help life grow. Like use the soul stone to change him fundamentally or help make thanos a real celestial on the side of all the lesser life forms. how about it??? what about the watchers / celestials / and the infinity stones used all against null is it possible to get others involved?
There's a simple answer. The Infinity stones don't work like most people say. They simply siphon, or attract, different energies that can be redirected to what the user wants, which explains why it's lethal for mist people to hold or use even 1. This also shows why events like the snap aren't instant as that energy has to travel. Also one stone rules over all others, the Death Stone lol #7thstone
Dont forget that is directed from the MCU and not the comics. Even the purpose of Thanos using the stones were for a different purpose in the comics vs the MCU.
I heard that a little birdie said that Nemises a omnipotent being that pre dates the Marvel universe was involved in creating the 7 infinity gems of which we have only seen 6 of.
in the comics the stones were part of Nemesis In a primordial era of Earth-616, a god being with the power of Infinity committed suicide out of loneliness and split into seven Infinity Gems upon her death.... the seventh being the EGO stone... which would bring them together and rebirth of Nemesis
If this is true, then the Sorcerer Supreme's assertions that the infinity stones bind our timeline together is false, only that she needs the time stone to defend her timeline. The use of the timestones could not have therefore caused the birthing of Tiamat either. The Celestials might impliement such a change in the future, which explains why the stones don't work in the TVA which exists in the far future.
Nemesis was originally the sole being in all of existence.[2] Out of loneliness, this cosmic being took part of itself and gave it independent life; however, because the entity didn't know good nor evil, and thus didn't will its creations to be good, they turned out to be evil. Displeased with its creations, the entity destroyed them.[3] The entity ultimately chose to put an end to itself due to its loneliness, forming the Infinity Gems and most of reality.[2] The cosmic being's death also brought its creations, the demon horde, back into existence.[3] When the gems were transported into the Ultraverse, along with several heroes and villains, Adam Warlock pursued them. In that new reality, a seventh gem called the Ego Gem, which had been lost, was found. Once the gems were reunited, they brought back the entity whose death had created them: Nemesis. This what Marvel comics says, not the MCU director. They change crap up all the time.
The infinity stones are always changing in origin to suit the writers needs at the time they’re used in whatever capacity. If I wrote their origin story, they’d be written as a reference to the standard creation model of the university, each of the six standing in for a day of creation from Space (day one) through the Soul (day six) and be aspects of the One Above All incarnate and act as pillars of existence, retconning Thanos using the stones to destroy the stones as them merely returning to the One Above All before being reborn in the universe again as they cannot be destroyed and each universe’s stones acting as a quantum variation of the others, with them only really being of use to beings under the scope of power of reality shaping, creation and annihilation the likes of Celestials, et al. I would use this as the premise for Galactus rising in the Fantastic Four film if I were writing it. I’d make it so that Reed and company had been in New York studying things behind the scenes from the very beginning but because they were as of yet unpowered, they simply acted as observers of the unfolding events with the use of the stones four times in such short sequence creating something of a scar in the fabric of space-time which he later dubs the Negative Zone, and when they go to investigate it, the accident which gives them their powers happen. And as a result of Thanos using the stones to destroy the stones, the world where he retired has its Celestial be born around the same time in a post-credit scene as Galactus emerges, a corrupted Celestial in this reimagining who must devour worlds to curb his infinite appetite, setting up the stage for a later crossover film. The first movie would likely be a little be more mellow, dealing with them learning to use their powers and dealing with a villain like the Mole Man who turns to evil after Reed and company beat him to the punch with regards to the Negative Zone, and in another post credit scene, we learn Doom was the backer behind Mole Man as he wanted to undo America from the inside for its role in ruining Latveria, now relocated to the Middle East as an analogue to Afghanistan, and Doom himself analogue for the modern despot like Putin or something like that, a background figure for the story until the sequel when the First Family go to Latveria on a mission of peace to aid the people taking an indie route in what’s been otherwise an international debacle between the US and Latveria and since having gained their powers, they naively dive in head first thinking they can do good but their short sighted attempt is used by Doom to essentially start a World War. It’s a rough idea I’m throwing out here but it essentially links to the stones by virtue of their “destruction” birthing Galactus and the Negative Zone, giving the First Family their powers indirectly and opening the way for Doom to become something of a central villain to the mythos going forward as he rises from all powerful dictators to all power super villain, his own work into stones leading him to develop this version of all his powers and abilities and establishing him as an agent of hubris and establishing his ethos as something of a noble fiend.
The stones were created by the celestials for the purpose of balancing the universe. The six singularities equals to the first six planets that was created by the celestial for the building and creation of the eternals and deviants. I’m the comics the collector is actually one of the most powerful cosmic entities in the universe and I believe he is connected to many other things in marvel universe but the cinematic universe downgraded his power and character.
And thanos is the most powerful and evolved Deviant, child of eternal according to the comics who were created by celestial's, for the purpose of population control throughout the universe. Just a thought, but a being created directly or indirectly, by a creator of galaxies throughout the universe, for population control, will likely be more powerful than all living beings.
In the comics the power of the Infinity gems was beyond the Celestials. But the MCU is a different reality which is free to give the Infinity stones a different origin and power level.
Maybe the Celestials didn't care about the stones because of the timeline manipulations of He Who Remains, since they only got properly introduced after the multiverse came back into existence
The Infinity stones/gems don't predate the Celestials, even in the comics. The comic book Celestials predate not only this universe, but several other iterations. In contrast, Galactus predates the current universe but the Celestials were around long before the universe formed in which he was a scientist named Galan. The Celestials are the oldest entities which still exist, they were created by the First Firmament at the same time as the Aspirants. The MCU might choose to change a lot of that history in the movie universe sure- but the Celestials existing before the stones isn't a change, that actually matches the comics.
@@richardpage5812 Simple math in the eternals we are given that the Celestials existed before the stones and Arishem created the big bang, and in the avengers infinity war we are given that infinity stones were born from the big bang. And the stones in the mcu also do not affect celestials, if the stones were erased, the celestials would take their revenge on thanos in the blink of an eye but did nothing .
@@ILoveCompany In the Guardian's of the Galaxy when the Collector was explaining the Infinity Stones he said in the beginning of time before the dawn of CREATION there existed six singularities, try to guess what those singularities were, and nowhere in the Eternals did they say the Celestials existed before the Stone's let alone that Arishem created the Big Bang. It said they created sun's.
What do you think about the Celestial we see in GotG 1 actually being on the planet he destroys, not to kill to beings on the surface, but to kill the being growing inside the planet? Celestial killing Celestials.
......the Stones were at 1st just 1 Stone that got lonely and created the other stones from itself. IF the Celestials are creating Life then the stones would be like coal that Powers not the materials to make a tool
I think that the infinity stones were once joined as one stone before the big bang. And the celestials broken the original stone apart which then caused the big bang.
Didn't Nemesis created the 7th infinite stones? Marvel needs to get their shit together cause it's to give explanation to a lot of stuff happening on marvel comic stories. And the celestials are actually older than eternity, death and infinity. The first firmament gave birth to eternity. A weird way to say it, but it's true. The only Cosmic entity's who predate the infinity stones are TOAA/Toba, the first firmament, oblivion and the Phoenix Force. But once again, Nemesis created them so idk why are they changing it. The Nemesis story is way more entertaining. The celestials are literally the ones who created everything in existence now? They are the reason why the beyonders even exist. Well now I know why the Phoenix didn't interfere with anything. It's literally life at its fullest.
The Infinity Stones were created by the Big Bang, which brought to life Death, Eternity, Infinity, and other cosmic beings. Meaning that the Infinity Stones were made by the Universe itself being brought to life. Emergency Awesome, a much more reliable source, also confirmed that Arishem the Judge was lying when he said that the Celestials were created before the Big Bang. Arishem already lied about lots in Eternals, about the Eternals existence themselves, the Deviants and their purpose and the hierarchy between them. So, hes an unreliable narrator. I mean, it's a fun theory. But the Celestials definitely didn't create the Infinity Stones. The other Cosmic Beings didnt even create them, they are physical representations of the Universe itself.
In the comics the Celestials do predate the big bang. They are the oldest entities who still exist, created by the First Firmament (the very first iteration of the universe, of which the current universe is the seventh). In comparison, Galactus hails from the sixth iteration. And in the Eternals movie, it wasn't Arishem who said the Celestials predated the big bang and infinity stones. The text crawl at the beginning of the film wasn't Arishem or any other in-universe character narrating. That history was simply presented as factual information direct from Marvel Studios. It's not like the opening of Black Panther, where the history of Wakanda the audience hears (calling vibranium the strongest substance in the universe) is folklore recited by N'Jobu to his son. That story reflected the beliefs of his Wakandan ancestors, who had never traveled beyond Earth and therefore didn't know about stronger substances (like Uru and the unnamed metal of Thanos' sword) which existed on other planets.
“There are relics that predate the universe itself. Their leader Malekith made a weapon out of that darkness. It was called the Aether.” - Odin Malekith made the Aether which is the Reality Stone. Which Thor explains isn’t even really a stone. It’s a more of a sludge thing.
Technically the Aether is a weapon Malekith made from the reality stone, which already existed. It's not the reality stone itself just as the Tesseract was a container for the space stone, not the stone itself. Odin also stated that the Aether converted matter into dark matter and was parasitic in nature, which doesn't match the reality stone as it was shown later in the MCU.
@@neospock5034 Are you really going to refute a fact that is stated in the movies? Malekith made the ether. The ether and the sludge are one and the same. They are what you call the reality stone. The movies even tell you it’s a sludge and to not call it a stone as others have.
@@americanpaisareturns9051 I just gave you the fact exactly as it was stated in the movie. Malekith made the aether, which was a weapon forged FROM that sludge which already existed. He did not create the sludge itself. Go back and listen more carefully. At no point is it ever implied that Malekith is older than the infinity stones, just that he harnessed the power of one into a weapon.
@@neospock5034 I gave you an actual quote from the movie. You gave me your opinion. The fact remains that Maliketh made the ether/sludge/what you call the reality stone. If you don’t want to accept a stated fact from the MCU movies, well then that’s on you.
@@neospock5034 “The Aether first is not a stone. As someone called it a stone before. It’s more of a bit of an angry sludge thing. Someone is going to have to amend that.” - Fat Thor Endgame According to Odin, Malekith made the Aether before the universe was ever created. So the Big Bang did not create the Aether. Wong explains it differently to Tony. Then again, Wong is a human being. The history he knows is limited. Odin predates Wong and The Ancient One. Asgardians predate man. Odin’s history and knowledge base is much broader. Also the Asgardians had the ether in their possession.
I don't know, ..Why celestials have to plant a seed in a planet and wait for thousands of years for the intelligent life to evolve to each potential until a new celestial will be born and will create another galaxy. Can't they just use the Infinity stones "they created" and snap a finger to create another universe with potential evolutions?
The answer for all these questions is that the creators of all these movies didn't start with the Eternals but with Iron Man. Why not ask the writers of the comic books about all this?
The comics and MCU are different universes with different lore. The comic book writers can definitively answer how things work in the comics, but the movies are a different reality that often doesn't follow those comics.
The Celestials did not create the infinity stones. Before everything, there was one all powerfull being. But he was alone. So he committed suicide. All the power does not die. And they formed the infinity stones.
I don't believe that the stones are created by the celestials they are way to powerful that's why I think they have been created by some entities such as in the comics simply because have the stones you can control the universe and even stop the celestials with the IG so this theory is hardly accurate to me.
My hypothesis is that galactus is the real prime celestial, however arishem, the next celestial that was created by galactus out of thin air no plants getting destroyed to create him, anyways arishem created the infinity stones (the Big Bang) to destroy galactus causing the universe or multiverse and in caging galactus forever since galactus was too strong, but galactus will come back, and as mad as he is, he will fight his own kind for using the infinity stones to imprision galactus
Not a bad theory, lots of holes but interesting. Galactus is from the previous incarnation of the universe so possible... To weave in To destroy him though, destroy why? Hmm ... He did survive outside of space time so that's possible I guess... Though idk of anyone else of galactus kind surviving with him still.
Interesting idea, maybe the MCU will work Galactus into the origin somehow, However in the comics the Celestials are much older than Galactus. He predates the current universe, they predate multiple incarnations of the universe, and were created during the first one.
That's a possibility in the MCU, but in the comics the Celestials are older (by far) than the Infinity stones. In the comics the Celestials pre-date not only the current universe, but multiple other cycles of the universe being created and destroyed. So we can't dismiss the Celestials so quickly, they might be treated similarly in the MCU.
Celestiala aren’t all powerful since they have a magic set of stones but can’t even create new celestials without destroying a planet and taking thousands of years sounds weak to me
That makes absolutely no sense No the celestials did not create the infinity stones they are powerful probably at the moment up there with the strongest things we have seen but no lol
Didn’t the MUC implied that they were created by Death, Entropy, Infinity, and Eternity?
No
In guardians vol 1, technically, but very small technically
@@fearfx1 I don't know where you all are getting that stuff from but it sure wasn't anything in the MCU.🤨
They should have stuck with Nemesis LIKE IN THE COMIC.
@@richardpage5812 it does come from the mcu and it is implied
Really good points. I'm really looking forward to seeing this all play out.
In the Comics the Stones are parts of the sentient being Nemesis. Tired of her existence she forced herself to shatter into what we know as the Infinity Stones/Gems. There's also a seventh stone that brings all the other stones together. I believe it was called the Ego Stone. If the Eternals continues Nemesis, the Ego Stone, or the Infinity Stones could return in future phases. Though I believe Marvel/Disney doesn't want to go back that route lol. Eternal Sercy could be the reincarnation of Nemesis.
According to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's explanation of things, four cosmic entities exist that predate the universe and thus were involved in creating the Infinity Stones at the time of the Big Bang. These four cosmic entities are revealed to be Death, Entropy, Infinity, and Eternity, so i dont think Celestials were involved in the making of the stones but i am not 100% sure so you could be right, hopefully Marvel will explain things further.
The Celestials also predate the current universe in the comics. They are much older than the 4 cosmic entities you mentioned, who (like Galactus) predate only the current iteration of the universe, which is the seventh. The Celestials date back to the first one, and are the oldest entities which still exist, since the Apsirants are all gone.
Now granted that's the comics, the MCU may decide to make the Celestials less ancient than Infinity, Eternity, Entropy and death. We'll have to see if that's the case, and if they had any role in creating the stones.
@@neospock5034death actually existed in the first because the celestials and aspirants could kill eachother
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if you zoom in where Black Widow died and Gamora, you see the tattoo like print of a Celestial. if your theory is correct, could Vorameir be a dead celestial?
The Body of Knowhere from gotg 1 would be a cool twist
@@bobreynolds9827 I would imagine that would be the celestial knull killed by cutting off his head or thats how I would do it
@@bobreynolds9827 so the stone was embedded in his chest or something... Maybe affecting his thoughts to be nicer, where he was betrayed.
@@bobreynolds9827 that wouldn’t make sense. That knowhere head was a direct Easter egg for the king in black series. Gorr the god butcher will kick this off and tie together knowhere from first gardian movie. Plus the stones were created by Big Bang in mcu. Before the celestials came into being…….
Nebula states in endgame Vormir is the centre of all celestial existence, a dominion of death
I thought it was explained in a guide book that they were created by Infinity, Eternity, Entropy and Death? We also see their statues in Love and Thunder trailer confirming they're canon
Don't forget the dark elves also existed before the big bang. Malekith was able to get hold of one, and handle it. What up with that?🧚♀️
So that makes me think what was here before arishem created the first sun
Malekith made the ether/reality stone.
@@americanpaisareturns9051 who told you that? In Thor the dark world, Odin said the dark elves were just there already
@@americanpaisareturns9051 Malekith in fact did not make the reality stone, ONLY the One Above All is above and created them to maintain his creation of life
@@tmac731 “There are relics that predate the universe itself. Their leader Malekith made a weapon out of that darkness. It was called the Aether.”
- Odin
Malekith made the Aether which is the Reality Stone. Which Thor explains isn’t even really a stone. It’s a more of a sludge thing.
My theory is better. The stones were utilized by the celestials. They used them for billions of years, allowing them to understand how each atom in each stone worked. So they essentially learned the stones therfore not needing them anymore which is why when Thanos took them they didn't give a crap. They are essentially the embodiment of the stones now due to using them for billions of years.
My theory leaves in tact the lore, leaves the stones true creator unknown, and ups the ante of their historic importance in the MCU.
What do you think?
That’s a good theory! I like the theory that, they were used to create other celestials without waiting millions of years!
They didn't create the stones my theory came from an omnipotent beings before the celestial that's why they seem like they want to be together
I really like this theory set, they each sound interesting, and very good as well.
Well actually, the six infinity stones are embodiment of Death, Entropy, Eternity and Infinity.
But in the other comic lore, there's a 7th infinity stone, The Ego Stone, and it is created by Nemesis.
Nemesis created the thr 7 stones & said that he/she wants to end herself & the only way is to create 7 infinity stones
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I think you think/rationalize/know the entire story way more than the marvel writers ever could
I don’t even like marvel too much anymore but I still find your thoughts and insights interesting
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I thought the ones above the celestial created the stones, eternity and infinity? Wasn't that what the comics stated.
thats correct, we see their statues in the temple in gotg and its stated in a guide book that it was infinity, eternity, entropy and death
@@akaakaakaak5779 I thought so had me confused for a minute, the celestial aren't that high on the cosmic scales not enough to make stones like this.
In the comics Nemesis (who's like the 3rd most powerful cosmic being after the Living Tribunal) created them.
@@diamantemrobinson I knew it wasn't the celestials, but I didn't know that it was nemisis
@@REDDEVIL9269 yeah she was lonely or something and split herself up. There's an 8th stone too. The ego stone.
They were sneezed out by The One Above All.
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Maybe the reason why the Celestial did not use the stones anymore is because it has something to do with the intervention of the gods. Arishem made the first mistake to let loose the Deviants and the second mistake is possibly when gods evolved so powerful enough to harness the Infinity stones and began their conquest. The gods may have bargained (threatened) the Celestials not to annihilate them, the same thing that Doctor Strange did with Dormammu when he had the Time stone. The gods collecting the stones could've caused for more powerful entities to intervene and judge whether to exterminate them to make sure they won't distort the reality and rebel them or let them go as gods don't have that intention in the first place allowing them to have some place and dominion over the universe. This would also make the gods to be aware that there are hierarchies of powerful entities that exist beyond and so they have to respect the system, proven in the Thor's third movie trailer where there were golden statues of them in a mysterious place where Jane went.
Ofc, the Infinity stones may be too powerful for the Celestials especially when some of them would use it against each other that they have to scattered and abandon it so it won't be used other than formulating methods to birth more of their kind. Or there was an 'entity' so powerful that it could 'kill' a Celestial and thus their system was shattered, the Infinity stones were scattered, and they are doing now doing on their own since then like Arishem monitoring the Celestial seeds, Ego expanding his own, Eson annihilated a planet for some reason, and even an unknown Celestial doing a secret business with Starfox hinted in the Eternals movie.
many things bring up the questions like "IS it possible someone is able to use the infinity stones to add life or transplant a celestial somewhere else and give it enough power to grow or hatch?"
or can people use the infinity stones to provide more like or creations in the universe to AID the growth like the celestials? or can someone fight null with the infinity stones? or what about the department of time that has LOTS of infinity stones ... could they go there and with LOTS of versions of infinity stones gathered together could they use that to work on a galactic universal scale and fight Null or Galactius ? could they use the infinity stones to AID thanos and make him a hero instead of villian ... in other change him so he fights for life and find another way to help life grow. Like use the soul stone to change him fundamentally or help make thanos a real celestial on the side of all the lesser life forms. how about it??? what about the watchers / celestials / and the infinity stones used all against null is it possible to get others involved?
I think a good explanation in the MCU is that they are Celestials. Each stone is a powerful celestial in a primal form and sentient.
There's a simple answer. The Infinity stones don't work like most people say. They simply siphon, or attract, different energies that can be redirected to what the user wants, which explains why it's lethal for mist people to hold or use even 1. This also shows why events like the snap aren't instant as that energy has to travel. Also one stone rules over all others, the Death Stone lol #7thstone
6:05 What's that background music called?
Dont forget that is directed from the MCU and not the comics. Even the purpose of Thanos using the stones were for a different purpose in the comics vs the MCU.
This would make sense
Eternity ,infinity ,death and Entropy is responsible for the creation of infinity stones.. Not the Celestials
I heard that a little birdie said that Nemises a omnipotent being that pre dates the Marvel universe was involved in creating the 7 infinity gems of which we have only seen 6 of.
in the comics the stones were part of Nemesis In a primordial era of Earth-616, a god being with the power of Infinity committed suicide out of loneliness and split into seven Infinity Gems upon her death.... the seventh being the EGO stone... which would bring them together and rebirth of Nemesis
I don't know why but you don't distinguish mcu from comics because these are 2 completely different stories
If this is true, then the Sorcerer Supreme's assertions that the infinity stones bind our timeline together is false, only that she needs the time stone to defend her timeline. The use of the timestones could not have therefore caused the birthing of Tiamat either. The Celestials might impliement such a change in the future, which explains why the stones don't work in the TVA which exists in the far future.
Nemesis was originally the sole being in all of existence.[2] Out of loneliness, this cosmic being took part of itself and gave it independent life; however, because the entity didn't know good nor evil, and thus didn't will its creations to be good, they turned out to be evil. Displeased with its creations, the entity destroyed them.[3]
The entity ultimately chose to put an end to itself due to its loneliness, forming the Infinity Gems and most of reality.[2] The cosmic being's death also brought its creations, the demon horde, back into existence.[3]
When the gems were transported into the Ultraverse, along with several heroes and villains, Adam Warlock pursued them. In that new reality, a seventh gem called the Ego Gem, which had been lost, was found. Once the gems were reunited, they brought back the entity whose death had created them: Nemesis. This what Marvel comics says, not the MCU director. They change crap up all the time.
I’m confused because I thought the stones them self’s made up the being nemesis and when nemesis died it split into the stones
Correct. Different dimensions existed. Then the infinity stones formed creating the universe
Yes that is in the comics but MCU will very likely have a different origin
Comics MCU.
I don't know why but you don't distinguish mcu from comics because these are 2 completely different stories
what movie is the second clip from? (the one with the corpse holding a tesseract)
Didn’t know that the celestial created the infinity stones…thought the stones came into existence even before them.
Great theory 👌 video
The infinity stones are always changing in origin to suit the writers needs at the time they’re used in whatever capacity. If I wrote their origin story, they’d be written as a reference to the standard creation model of the university, each of the six standing in for a day of creation from Space (day one) through the Soul (day six) and be aspects of the One Above All incarnate and act as pillars of existence, retconning Thanos using the stones to destroy the stones as them merely returning to the One Above All before being reborn in the universe again as they cannot be destroyed and each universe’s stones acting as a quantum variation of the others, with them only really being of use to beings under the scope of power of reality shaping, creation and annihilation the likes of Celestials, et al. I would use this as the premise for Galactus rising in the Fantastic Four film if I were writing it. I’d make it so that Reed and company had been in New York studying things behind the scenes from the very beginning but because they were as of yet unpowered, they simply acted as observers of the unfolding events with the use of the stones four times in such short sequence creating something of a scar in the fabric of space-time which he later dubs the Negative Zone, and when they go to investigate it, the accident which gives them their powers happen. And as a result of Thanos using the stones to destroy the stones, the world where he retired has its Celestial be born around the same time in a post-credit scene as Galactus emerges, a corrupted Celestial in this reimagining who must devour worlds to curb his infinite appetite, setting up the stage for a later crossover film. The first movie would likely be a little be more mellow, dealing with them learning to use their powers and dealing with a villain like the Mole Man who turns to evil after Reed and company beat him to the punch with regards to the Negative Zone, and in another post credit scene, we learn Doom was the backer behind Mole Man as he wanted to undo America from the inside for its role in ruining Latveria, now relocated to the Middle East as an analogue to Afghanistan, and Doom himself analogue for the modern despot like Putin or something like that, a background figure for the story until the sequel when the First Family go to Latveria on a mission of peace to aid the people taking an indie route in what’s been otherwise an international debacle between the US and Latveria and since having gained their powers, they naively dive in head first thinking they can do good but their short sighted attempt is used by Doom to essentially start a World War. It’s a rough idea I’m throwing out here but it essentially links to the stones by virtue of their “destruction” birthing Galactus and the Negative Zone, giving the First Family their powers indirectly and opening the way for Doom to become something of a central villain to the mythos going forward as he rises from all powerful dictators to all power super villain, his own work into stones leading him to develop this version of all his powers and abilities and establishing him as an agent of hubris and establishing his ethos as something of a noble fiend.
What about aliens who use a vastly different calendar then humans do?
Some races can have weekdays spanning 60hours or even 89years
@@youtubestudiosucks978 they can write their own fiction accordingly?
“Eon” The Searcher is actually “ESON” The Searcher
REALITY IS OFTEN DISSAPOINTING...💎 AT LEAST IT WAS
They didn't create them.
nice video :))
Cool
The stones were created by the celestials for the purpose of balancing the universe. The six singularities equals to the first six planets that was created by the celestial for the building and creation of the eternals and deviants. I’m the comics the collector is actually one of the most powerful cosmic entities in the universe and I believe he is connected to many other things in marvel universe but the cinematic universe downgraded his power and character.
Nemesis is how they were created
in the comics... that's subject to change in the MCU
the infinity stones were created by Entropy, Death, Eternity and Infinity
I still don't understand why ESON needed an infinity stone to destroy a planet. Can't he do that himself??
Probably, but maybe the stones make it much easier? Like using a leaf blower to clear an area instead of picking up leaves by hand or using a rake?
And thanos is the most powerful and evolved Deviant, child of eternal according to the comics who were created by celestial's, for the purpose of population control throughout the universe.
Just a thought, but a being created directly or indirectly, by a creator of galaxies throughout the universe, for population control, will likely be more powerful than all living beings.
Their power is supposed to be beyond the Celestials, so, unrelated.
In the comics the power of the Infinity gems was beyond the Celestials. But the MCU is a different reality which is free to give the Infinity stones a different origin and power level.
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Yes, they are free to muck it up, as they have.
@@SolarWraith how did they “muck it up”?? Things are nerfed within movies because they should.
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So you like the inferior version just because. To each their own.
We see Diviants evolve based on what they consume. What happens if a Diviant consumes an entire planet?
You get an EGO like creature or a titan.
That what I was thinking to
Maybe the Celestials didn't care about the stones because of the timeline manipulations of He Who Remains, since they only got properly introduced after the multiverse came back into existence
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The Celestials did not create the Infinity Stones they predate even the Celestials.🤨
The Infinity stones/gems don't predate the Celestials, even in the comics. The comic book Celestials predate not only this universe, but several other iterations. In contrast, Galactus predates the current universe but the Celestials were around long before the universe formed in which he was a scientist named Galan. The Celestials are the oldest entities which still exist, they were created by the First Firmament at the same time as the Aspirants.
The MCU might choose to change a lot of that history in the movie universe sure- but the Celestials existing before the stones isn't a change, that actually matches the comics.
I don't know why but you don't distinguish mcu from comics because these are 2 completely different stories
@@ILoveCompany And I don't know why you think it's ok to make something up that was never said, like the Celestials coming before the stone's.🤨
@@richardpage5812 Simple math in the eternals we are given that the Celestials existed before the stones and Arishem created the big bang, and in the avengers infinity war we are given that infinity stones were born from the big bang. And the stones in the mcu also do not affect celestials, if the stones were erased, the celestials would take their revenge on thanos in the blink of an eye but did nothing .
@@ILoveCompany In the Guardian's of the Galaxy when the Collector was explaining the Infinity Stones he said in the beginning of time before the dawn of CREATION there existed six singularities, try to guess what those singularities were, and nowhere in the Eternals did they say the Celestials existed before the Stone's let alone that Arishem created the Big Bang. It said they created sun's.
What do you think about the Celestial we see in GotG 1 actually being on the planet he destroys, not to kill to beings on the surface, but to kill the being growing inside the planet? Celestial killing Celestials.
......the Stones were at 1st just 1 Stone that got lonely and created the other stones from itself. IF the Celestials are creating Life then the stones would be like coal that Powers not the materials to make a tool
In theory you only need 3 stones to create life
I think that the infinity stones were once joined as one stone before the big bang. And the celestials broken the original stone apart which then caused the big bang.
The stones was part of a larger character… I think Marvel has a comic book covering the origins of the stones…
Are Grandmaster and Collector actually Eternals?
Didn't Nemesis created the 7th infinite stones? Marvel needs to get their shit together cause it's to give explanation to a lot of stuff happening on marvel comic stories. And the celestials are actually older than eternity, death and infinity. The first firmament gave birth to eternity. A weird way to say it, but it's true. The only Cosmic entity's who predate the infinity stones are TOAA/Toba, the first firmament, oblivion and the Phoenix Force. But once again, Nemesis created them so idk why are they changing it. The Nemesis story is way more entertaining. The celestials are literally the ones who created everything in existence now? They are the reason why the beyonders even exist. Well now I know why the Phoenix didn't interfere with anything. It's literally life at its fullest.
I think the og firmament will appear
No seems doubt full.
Just thinking, did the snap dust half the celestials too?
Nemesis.
What are the 6 singularities? They never defined what came before the stones
The Infinity Stones were created by the Big Bang, which brought to life Death, Eternity, Infinity, and other cosmic beings. Meaning that the Infinity Stones were made by the Universe itself being brought to life.
Emergency Awesome, a much more reliable source, also confirmed that Arishem the Judge was lying when he said that the Celestials were created before the Big Bang. Arishem already lied about lots in Eternals, about the Eternals existence themselves, the Deviants and their purpose and the hierarchy between them. So, hes an unreliable narrator.
I mean, it's a fun theory. But the Celestials definitely didn't create the Infinity Stones. The other Cosmic Beings didnt even create them, they are physical representations of the Universe itself.
In the comics the Celestials do predate the big bang. They are the oldest entities who still exist, created by the First Firmament (the very first iteration of the universe, of which the current universe is the seventh). In comparison, Galactus hails from the sixth iteration.
And in the Eternals movie, it wasn't Arishem who said the Celestials predated the big bang and infinity stones. The text crawl at the beginning of the film wasn't Arishem or any other in-universe character narrating. That history was simply presented as factual information direct from Marvel Studios.
It's not like the opening of Black Panther, where the history of Wakanda the audience hears (calling vibranium the strongest substance in the universe) is folklore recited by N'Jobu to his son. That story reflected the beliefs of his Wakandan ancestors, who had never traveled beyond Earth and therefore didn't know about stronger substances (like Uru and the unnamed metal of Thanos' sword) which existed on other planets.
Maybe the celestial using the power ston was sent cause they killed a celestial and were judged one they're gonna do for earth. just food for thought
I have no idea! What was the original purpose of the stones?? Lol
Why create something beyond their own power?
So they made stones stronger than themselfs and didnt defend them?
Why can't the celestials create more celestials with the infinity stone's in the past ? (since it can create everything and anything)
“There are relics that predate the universe itself. Their leader Malekith made a weapon out of that darkness. It was called the Aether.”
- Odin
Malekith made the Aether which is the Reality Stone. Which Thor explains isn’t even really a stone. It’s a more of a sludge thing.
Technically the Aether is a weapon Malekith made from the reality stone, which already existed. It's not the reality stone itself just as the Tesseract was a container for the space stone, not the stone itself.
Odin also stated that the Aether converted matter into dark matter and was parasitic in nature, which doesn't match the reality stone as it was shown later in the MCU.
@@neospock5034 Are you really going to refute a fact that is stated in the movies? Malekith made the ether. The ether and the sludge are one and the same. They are what you call the reality stone. The movies even tell you it’s a sludge and to not call it a stone as others have.
@@americanpaisareturns9051 I just gave you the fact exactly as it was stated in the movie. Malekith made the aether, which was a weapon forged FROM that sludge which already existed. He did not create the sludge itself.
Go back and listen more carefully. At no point is it ever implied that Malekith is older than the infinity stones, just that he harnessed the power of one into a weapon.
@@neospock5034 I gave you an actual quote from the movie. You gave me your opinion. The fact remains that Maliketh made the ether/sludge/what you call the reality stone. If you don’t want to accept a stated fact from the MCU movies, well then that’s on you.
@@neospock5034 “The Aether first is not a stone. As someone called it a stone before. It’s more of a bit of an angry sludge thing. Someone is going to have to amend that.”
- Fat Thor Endgame
According to Odin, Malekith made the Aether before the universe was ever created. So the Big Bang did not create the Aether. Wong explains it differently to Tony. Then again, Wong is a human being. The history he knows is limited. Odin predates Wong and The Ancient One. Asgardians predate man. Odin’s history and knowledge base is much broader. Also the Asgardians had the ether in their possession.
I don't know, ..Why celestials have to plant a seed in a planet and wait for thousands of years for the intelligent life to evolve to each potential until a new celestial will be born and will create another galaxy. Can't they just use the Infinity stones "they created" and snap a finger to create another universe with potential evolutions?
The answer for all these questions is that the creators of all these movies didn't start with the Eternals but with Iron Man.
Why not ask the writers of the comic books about all this?
The comics and MCU are different universes with different lore. The comic book writers can definitively answer how things work in the comics, but the movies are a different reality that often doesn't follow those comics.
What about nemesis
In the comics, Nemesis actually created the stones.
The Celestials did not create the infinity stones. Before everything, there was one all powerfull being. But he was alone. So he committed suicide. All the power does not die. And they formed the infinity stones.
I don't know why but you don't distinguish mcu from comics because these are 2 completely different stories
I thought the infinity stones were Nemesis
Why or what it thanos blipped
They are celestial kidney stones.🤷🏽♂️
Y’all take extreme liberties with the information given in these movies lol
Celestials didnt create them. They were all apart of Nemesis, including the 7th stone, ego.
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I don't believe that the stones are created by the celestials they are way to powerful that's why I think they have been created by some entities such as in the comics simply because have the stones you can control the universe and even stop the celestials with the IG so this theory is hardly accurate to me.
no it’s not.. the collector answered this..
I think that they used them but I don't think they created them
The celestials don't predate the universe.
In the comics the Celestials do predate the universe, and in fact predate multiple iterations of it. In the MCU we have yet to find out.
They didn't
They didn’t. Read the comic’s.
My hypothesis is that galactus is the real prime celestial, however arishem, the next celestial that was created by galactus out of thin air no plants getting destroyed to create him, anyways arishem created the infinity stones (the Big Bang) to destroy galactus causing the universe or multiverse and in caging galactus forever since galactus was too strong, but galactus will come back, and as mad as he is, he will fight his own kind for using the infinity stones to imprision galactus
Not a bad theory, lots of holes but interesting.
Galactus is from the previous incarnation of the universe so possible... To weave in
To destroy him though, destroy why?
Hmm ... He did survive outside of space time so that's possible I guess...
Though idk of anyone else of galactus kind surviving with him still.
Interesting idea, maybe the MCU will work Galactus into the origin somehow, However in the comics the Celestials are much older than Galactus. He predates the current universe, they predate multiple incarnations of the universe, and were created during the first one.
Celestial doesn't crested infinity stone
Wrong they don't created the stones it was a being she. Was the stones and kills herself because of loneliness
The infinite stone were created when the universe was created. The celestial didn’t create them lmao.
You do realize that the Celestials are much older than the current universe in the comics? The MCU might be sticking to that somewhat.
Yeah this is a good theory but I don't think it can be true. The stones existed before celestials
That's a possibility in the MCU, but in the comics the Celestials are older (by far) than the Infinity stones. In the comics the Celestials pre-date not only the current universe, but multiple other cycles of the universe being created and destroyed. So we can't dismiss the Celestials so quickly, they might be treated similarly in the MCU.
Celestiala aren’t all powerful since they have a magic set of stones but can’t even create new celestials without destroying a planet and taking thousands of years sounds weak to me
How fast do you level up to godhood?
If you have time to complain then you have time to show how it's done.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 based on what we’ve seen on screen, the writers have no idea 🤷🏽♂️
@@kristopherleslie8343 in the comics Celestial eggs take a million years (on average) to mature as well.
@@neospock5034 I’m aware and it again shows bad writing
That makes absolutely no sense
No the celestials did not create the infinity stones they are powerful probably at the moment up there with the strongest things we have seen but no lol
This video didnt answer anythin! You O me few min of life!
First to comment. Gr8 vid
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