Erica Stanford's plans to train more teachers | Q+A 2024
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- Опубликовано: 24 май 2024
- Education Minister Erica Stanford has announced on Q+A the Government will be spending over $50 million in the next four years to grow New Zealand's stretched teaching workforce.
Join Jack Tame and the Q+A team and find the answers to the questions that matter. Made with the support of NZ on Air.
Why don't they allow teacher aids to train in the classroom and gain qualifications that way? They'll capture a whole lot more potential teachers and teachers will be supported as well.
ABSOLUTELY,
THEY SHOULD PAY WHILE LEARNING
This already happens. Issue is that many don't want the job.
The minister ignores reports from the UK that report that structured literacy is not as successful as hoped.
Minister didn't give details in many answers.
in the last 40 years no minister has been given the info . can't sink the boat if you don't know where the bung is
So Charter Schools are good for meeting the needs of children failing in state schools in particular Māori and Pacific island students but a Māori health authority gets cancelled because this government thinks one system for all works best?
That’s because it is all about power and control, especially regarding funding. Money is everything when it comes to achieving change at a national policy level. The coalition government are saying Maori and other minority groups can deliver the programmes but not have a say in how they are structured and how much funding they get.
They will concentrate funding directly to Māori health service providers at the coalface. It's a win win.
Apples and oranges. The Maori Health Authority didn't improve outcomes at all, charter schools did improve outcomes
Err, no. There is no evidence of that.
@@badger51 just a reminder that a lack of evidence is not evidence to the contrary
She is living in Dreamland, you are not going to get that many extra people who want to be teachers and can actually do the job let alone find enough people qualified to train them. In the time frame in question. Not to mention people who would put up with the salary teachers earn.
And the behaviour of students.
I’m a teacher. I am a behaviourist in my pedagogy with a holistic nature when needed. For the last 25 years teacher trainees are encouraged to be holistic with very little behaviourist qualities, hence behaviour of students being a problem. If these people who train on the job have skills in knowledge of curriculum areas and can inspire students and control students fairly but with firmness, it can’t be a bad thing. Yes, our pay is not great in comparison to other professions, but if results come, so should better pay. Something has to be done and if this works, then great.
We had 6 years of nothing from the last government, time to let someone else have Crack.
Have crack? Someone call the drug squad.
@@chriskiwi2601theyve had crack by the sounds of it
Love it Jack 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Pin them for a response.
According to Erica Stanford, it's OK to send sick kids to school and that teachers get sick because there will be more relievers. On a daily basis, my school asks teachers to cover others away because we don't have enough relievers. Does she also know that teachers have to write their learning for the reliever! We can't just be at home sick. Obviously not :(
Frontline cuts? The 68 MPs said there were no cuts to frontline services. Budgeting services are going to get less money. It will mean reduced services. Budget services are an extension the Social Welfare services. A government that speaks with many WORDS but often does not follow its narrative.
Hmmm, I thought someone who is mandating a knowledge based system would not rely on such a 'large' amount of 'sidling up to me' anecdotal evidence. How are we meant to trust that it is better to repeal and replace something BEFORE looking at it? Next they'll be announcing Tanya Unkovich will be leading the 'expert review?
Pay teachers better, you might see a better result
Pay has increased significantly over the last 6 years. Has there been an increase in teacher performance. The quicker Ai is integrated into education the better. I see a future where teachers are no longer required, the unions will try to slow this down but it is inevitable.
Truly the hearsay minister
What an odd comment
@@JG-us9lu All the 'people I've talked to' this is not evidence nor a legitimate reason for policy
@@volnay853 But the stats are saying that the our education system is failing badly and we have one the worst standards in the OECD. Surely that grounds for making policy. Also the MOE is a shambles left behind for the previous government and cannot provided data. So going out and speaking to the people involved sounds like a very good idea.
@@JG-us9lu We don't, we never had one of the worst education standards in the OECD. the situation is complex, we had one of the top performers but the reforms of the early 2010s knifed education in this country. Now we have only upper middle standards. Now this government is going to apply the directions of a 2nd tier expert in education and ignore the rest. It does not bode at all well.
@@volnay853 ooh the new leftie excuse,it's complicated. No it not, OECD reports are facts and you can deny them. It not complicated it simple. Our schools are a shambles and need fixing. Maybe you should see of the new policies improve things. Before being so judgemental.
So there are lots of accountants excited to take a pay cut to become teachers?
I can't believe she said that a few breathes after saying that the training paid 20k. Like come on, how many people are quitting a job paying 90k to take one paying 20k
Is a minister worth money they are paid. The minister who voted for charter schools does not know enough detail to explain what she voted for in cabinet .
Hahaha. And engineers....😂😂. The way schools are run atm, you will be a lunatic to take 50% pay cut for a black board..
I take my hat off to every teacher in the country. My mental health could never! 😂
He Māori ahau and have been a teacher in the UK for the past 18 years. I am impressed that Jack never fell into the Tory flattery trap.
Jack is a very biased Jurno
@@glendagger5003Yeah a Labour troll
@@glendagger5003 what are you smoking lol
The minister showed her limitations of knowledge. UK university writers have highlighted structured literacy has not achieved as much as hoped. The Minister ignores this as it doesn't match the influence of Canterbury Uni. Auckland University has different view point.
This MP is the minister. Associate ministers should fully brief the minister.
New Zealand's PISA data over the last two cycles clearly shows that the variation of NZ student education experiences is greater between classes within a school than the variation students experience in different schools. This implies that only some of the variation students experience is partly due to the current curriculum. How does she intend to acknowledge and address within school variation?
You are wise. The government is following an adjenda. It wants to change what influence students.
( slaves! It stopped mainly in reaction to slaves fight against their masters . But the narrative is told about UK government think ot was wrong so let's change things)
She’s not lying about taking money away from the back end. I live next to the old offices of the education ministry, it was a functioning office during the last government but today it’s completely empty.
IDK but maybe that's because today's a Sunday?
Functioning?
The reliever budget isn't the issue. The issue is the lack of relievers. I could leave teaching tomorrow, and have full time employment for the rest of the year.
I would like Erica to define success for state and charter schools. There is a problem in both areas.
I hope the outcomes include Mathematics and English/Māori. It should not be just obtaining NCEA.
Who owns charter schools?
It will take absolutely no time for these new teachers coming in to realise what a shit show education is at the moment. They will be gone within 5 years, like today's graduates.
I let my Teacher Registration lapse because on the 15th November 2021, I stood up to the bullies and was sacked from my 18-year teaching career and passion because I refused to comply with the Order to inject the c-jab.
Your body your choice, and you knew what the effects of that choice would be so please don't now cry victim. You chose to not protect the vulnerable kids in your care by getting the vaccine. No sympathy from me sorry.
Lol hope your happy with your idiotic decision
Erica disowning her portfolio. Ask David.
yes david is a worry , he wants to kill the old and control the young , where is act on private property rights , that used to be their thing
Erica needs to look at the Mathematics National curriculum. It is very precise about what students need to learn.
Take a look at the science curriculum.... It's not!!
Math assessments in senior level are different than the numeracy pathway, also
@@growtocycle6992 The Science Curriculum is well defined, NCEA is not. Also, not sure what you mean by the numeracy pathway, unless you mean the 10 numeracy credits
I gave up listening about 7 minutes in, I’m fed up with this latest crop of politicians not answering questions and just evading. Is this lot worse or were the labour ministers like this too ?
This lot is worse. At least labour told you the information they had even if it wasn't what you wanted to hear, at least they were honest
Sick kids get other kids sick, and teachers sick. This undercuts everything she says.
So many people have been down that road, it didn’t work: become teachers aids, dreaming to become teachers; they gave up, realized they chasing an elusive dream!
The ministers must protect the teachers.
53m for 1500 teachers for 4 year? Hoʻo shit. That's about 9k per person per year. Who the hack is going to leave their job for that?
Teachers are not just facilitators!
Show me you do not know the difference between writing a Curriculum and writing a Unit Plan - yep, Erica Stanford showed so many times during this interview she has no idea what teachers do. We do not write Curriculums, we write Unit Plans that meet the needs of our learners inline with the NZ Curriculum. We use phonics within reading traditionally - nobody teaches kids to "guess the word for the picture" - that is as insulting as when she told Q&A last year that teachers stick their finger in the air to decide what they will teach this coming week. Also, schools would not be teaching anything about transgender or whatever unless there was a specific issue needing to be addressed within their school - I go to lots of schools and that is just not an issue and teachers are offended by people saying it is happening - SHOW THE PROOF OF IT COOKERS!!! There were so many more disingenuous comments and lies that I'd be here all day commenting.
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Unit plans are curriculum.
And that's why politicians deciding what's best, based on their ideals, is wrong.
You are (deliberately) misrepresenting the way she was using the word curriculum. You know that she was meaning content/subject matter which the general public will understand as curriculum. Sadly, many/most teachers now were poorly educated in the NCEA era, so these are not the people to fix the broken system.
Can you explain why students are failing so badly please?
Very good , learn in NZ come to Australia
Nothing gets done without back office work. It’s very important that we value the work they do bcuz they are humble work horses who don’t get as much acknowledgment as say teachers
Start offering free nursing training for kiwis!!! Victoria Australia do this and it has worked!!
Just went to the supermarket, 500 ml glass bottle of olive oil went from $12 to $16. Just opened my NZ regular-sized cardboard cereal box with a quarter of the cereal missing. These micro changes are a perfect example of AI being applied to micro changes in supermarkets. Obviously, this is the same model for supermarket schools. The highest international fuel increase marks the cost of the local product price increase (to food miles). The products are the students, and the highest performing students, will be the price of the rest of the students, regardless of the student's micro needs and adjustments, and the negligence of efficient AI modelling applied to realism..
not AI , this was rockafellas plan , way back in the 30s . when he took over all the major collage's
@@grizzz6884 Perhaps algorithm dolled up to self-fulling futurism....
If the population in schools increases through immigration. What controls will be put on this factor?
She said she wanted more data. This is backroom work. So, it should not be funded may be.
Sending sick children to school to infect other students and teachers is NOT a good plan. Anyone with kids in ECE knows that. Erica Stanford has clearly not read the New Zealand curriculum. If you look at the science curriculum (for example), there are clear skills and knowledge that is required at each level of the curriculum. This curriculum is currently being refreshed as te Maataiaho, the Science portion of which has not even been released yet (full disclosure). Excerpt from the science curriculum Level 5 (current): Describe the structure of the atoms of different elements. Distinguish between an element and a compound, a pure substance and a mixture at particle level. Is that not knowledge? Structured teaching and learning is not excluded from the current system! Can we have a minister who has actually taught in schools please?
You are not a teacher, you're an indoctrinator. There is no science in the new "science" curriculum, it's been entirely supplanted by matauranga voodoo because of far-left ideologues like you.
Tautoko.
With all due respect, this is hardly a comprehensive curriculum...
Unlike math, science is largely a "chart your own course" subject stream until year 11... All of the senior science teaching communities acknowledge that the NCEA refresh is a #$*@show, especially for biology, chemistry and physics.
New teachers are expected to design their own course materials, often from scratch, in a way that is supposed to be context specific and honouring Te Tiriti... You don't get extra time to write your own lesson plans for the year (let alone own the entire set of assessment guidelines/criteria, specific learning outcomes, student resources, etc).. .
New teachers are simply getting thrown in three deep end, and without a competent school science department... It's not pretty
Erica seems to think more relievers is a solution to students learning. They do keep the school open, but they are using not teaching. In most cases the students are doing work that has been set by the sick teacher and is being done on a computer.
She hasn't read it!!
The core competencies never stripped out the knowledge in the curriculum. Teachers in 2007 took what they had already been teaching through the 80s and 90s and just applied the new standards to this. Erica is correct that the load fell on teachers and schools.
This 'new' way to train primary and secondary teachers sounds like the model used by New Zealand Graduate School of Education since 1997.
One of the best interviews i have come crossed for centuries
Milleniums
across
@@bchantz3056definitely a boomer.
Go back to your retirement village lazyboy and relax in your nappy
This year on the 29th of February this all students who did not have 10 numeracy credits lost the ones they had and had to start again. That means the current year 13 students and those before them could get numeracy from level 1, 2 and 3. The current year 12 students, who have followed the same path as year 13 will have to do it within one year. They were not meant to be part of the new NCEA changes. These are our students who struggle the most who could be gifted in other areas and this is a barrier for them going forward. I have written to Ministers and NZQA and I am getting nowhere. I hope some journalist takes this up, it is clearly unfair and as a teacher it is not clear if these students will lose the numeracy credits at the end of this year again if they do not achieve it within this year.
Grim times indeed!
Wonder when he will ever have some of TPM members on, then we can see how good he is.
They aren't in power, why would he have them in on Q + A
They currently arent responsible for anything
Ahhh overseas teachers are not ncea trained.....whos checking their degrees? And are you paying the associate teacher who's mentoring them?
In Sri Lanka If you want to be a school principal you must have a PHD teacher you must go to teachers college for 2 years .
Qualification degree or master
i thought u were meant to start over again when you get it wrong. like I had to redo my lines at school when I did it wrong. i think the infrastructure was built incorrectly. that's a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiig mistake
We had a perfect education system back in the forty an fifties then education ministers though they had to change what subjects had to be taught caused by university teacher training
lets just see if yr policies work, and suffer if they dont..usual story.i couldnt stand the flirtatative body language from erica toward jack and switched off. Lets just see..this coalition is a nightmare for all nz...you may be a star at your local bar erica, but ditch the approach..your getting abit full of hubris already...too soon ducky. give the kids a decent lunch for one thing...and pay teachers well. and make it easier for people to train, without going into massive debt. Loving the overuse of devolved...this current govt is a devolution on the fundamentals in my mind. fundamentals of humanity...bring back muldoon...may as well..same retro bore..give us strength.
They wanna centralise and standardise our curriculums! What does this mean for Māori schools? What does this mean for alternative education? As a rangatahi i think our curriculums should be tailored to the students not a monolith to meet the targets of the latest government.
Hold on i watched the rest and now she’s endorsing some alt ed programs
If this is the best journalist in NZ then NZ journalism is in a sorry state.
Jack is actually a really decent journalist. Just because you are a national, act or NZ first voter and disagree with him asking the tough questions that almost all ministers refuse to answer and avoid, doesn't mean he is a bad journalist.
Would like to see you give it a go 😂
I’m really like what she is saying - it would make me consider moving back to teach in NZ. Well done!
You seriously keen to come back to NZ to earn 20k a year? Good luck surviving 😂😂😂😂😂
She certainly can talk. Did well to keep Jack quiet
Knowledge vs critical thinking
To me sounds like more memorisation than learning
There are three sorts of people in the world. Males, females and teachers.
Sounds like she didnt wanna answer the question bcuz she don’t wanna be held to account when there’s still a teacher shortage or whatever at the end of their term
Erica, clear, concise and across her portfolio, what a breath of fresh air after the last rabble that ruled for 6 years
Hahahaha you can't of watched the video i guess.
Slippery and tries to slide out of every question
What went through wrong NZ cricket team early exit
But USA are in ?
Are we going to rewrite cricket history ?
ERICA SOBER UP
Training of student teachers is not exactly front end. The supervisor ( existing teacher) give up their time to supervisor.
Continuing increasing qualified staff is important.
Cant believe this guy is considered a good journalist, nevermind the best.😂😂😂😂😂😂
People choose not to be teachers. It was a private choice.
Jack, you may have won an award but for goodness sake, let the people have their say without your over riding need to continually interrupt.
What did she do in the UK?
National Promised to pay for teacher registration. Minister did speak about this.
More poor kids going hungry at foodbanks and 3 billion for wealthy landlords, this govt is a joke
Labour had no plans to fund lunches in schools beyond 2024. Act is not only funding lunches in schools this year, but have found money to roll out lunches in schools for many more years & to deliver to a lot more kids.
Yea New Zealand is broken country, brutal and cruel to the poor and working class, it’s run by the greedy and privileged now, we deliberately impoverish and vilify the least fortunate and starve children so the greedy and wealthy can have even more. Anyone that can should escape to Australia. New Zealand doesn’t deserve your Talent hard work or Tax, you end up trapped as a wage/rent slave so greedy landlords can have 7 houses when you will be worked till you die and never have one.
@@RR-sh6grlabour did have plans to continue funding school lunches and if you believe in this fiscal cliff nonsense then be aware National are funding fiscal cliff’s also it’s all just politics
@@RR-sh6grAfter heavy public backlash against the very fair notion that taking food away from kids is cruel, which is what ACT wanted originally
Parents are responsible for their own children, not the government. Don't have children if you can not feed them. New Zealand is no Somalia. New Zealand is a very rich country full of opportunities. We can not expect the government to come to our aid every time. We, as society, need to be responsible and accountable for our own actions.
Sick kids! The new government has given rules for parents to keep kids home for sickness. This increases the risk for staff (employees).
there is a reason for this , lets just say we have had the practice run
it was easy to make the curriculum, it's the home that u don't give a fuck about when making these " curriculum's " 😄. please excuse my language
What a patronizing minister.
The board of trustees had delegated responsibilities from parliament to create learning to suit their students and community. ( NATIONAL AND CO said local communities know best about water)
Is she on P?
If public money is given to private entities it should have the same rules as states.
all public money paid out for any thing , should be posted on a web site . so every one can see where that money goes to . including the secondry payments go to
🥺omg this poor lady is Soo far out if her depth , just embarrassing
I wonder why Tame doesnt run for office with labour. His bias is incredible.
His profession is a journalist, you think he is honestly going to just ask her nice and easy questions?
His job is to literally ask the questions that are difficult to answer... That's not bias
@@dswee3005 That's what he did with Labour asked friendly questions. Surprise thats bias and he is an extreme left wing commentator not a journalist.
How much education does a clearer need?
What you are setting out to do have been done before; it didn’t work. You talk confidently but you are repeating same mistakes over and over.
Timaru Primary school closed last week.
How can the removal of the Māori Health Authority because the govt thinks it is divisive and there should be one system for all not have this thinking applied to education where now there will be 4 educational choices in this country: state schools, state-integrated, private, and charter schools. Double standards!
No, freedom of choice for parents. The Maori Health Authority distributed services based on race. Choice for parents is not in any way race-based. One is racist the other is not.
Choice not race. It should never be race
@@rosselliot8971race 😅😅 you mean the race that had its lands stolen & culture suppressed
Erica just say less 😂😂 she has no idea what teachers do!
Reading! The minister has closed her mind new research. Structured literacy does teach understand of a word or function of words.
I have taught in Thailand. They learn the phonics but don't understand what they read.
The other method adds comprehension.
Great plans, Erica. How about stopping the compulsory learning of Te Reo for teachers. You'd probably be surprised at how many applicants would welcome that!
@@MildredtheDestroyer then make it compulsory to teach a second language that is actually useful on the world stage.
@@MildredtheDestroyer Tautoko Mildred. Chris has no understanding of the benefits of teaching te reo to our students and our teachers.
Learning about Treaty and Te Reo imo is a stumbling block for a lot of people to enter into the teaching profession. If maths english reading and writing where put in it's place we would do better. If you are a Maori Parent who wants your child to learn Te Reo nothing wrong with teaching them yourself....just as other cultures do.
@@andreatodd3095 what about the Welsh language schools, or the the teaching of gaelic in Irish schools?
Some children are only just discovering their language because it wasn't taught to their parents.
@@andreatodd3095 Pretty tricky to teach your own children if you were never taught because your family members were banned from using their own language...
Why do we have maori gathering places on publicly owned schools? If it's justified, why do not we not have Christian gathering places and other similar ?
Fark she's good... smashed anything Jack could come up with to prove his award... who the fark gave him that??
Always amusing when an authority on education uses the word 'litracy'. Does this refer to 'Little Tracy' or do they perhaps mean 'Literacy' ?
always amusing when someone commenting on the internet about someone else’s use of language is prescriptivist to the point of stupidity…
@@wonderland4267 Agree, although Jacinda's pronunciation was very poor even though she had a degree in communication...which didn't work for me, I couldn't stand listening to her.
@@wonderland4267 To be fair, Jack also said 'litracy'. Of course, language morphs through the generations and we now tend to speak faster than in decades past. But until the utterance 'litracy' makes it into dictionaries, the word they should use is literacy. ESPECIALLY when discussing the very process of reading and pronouncing words!
Importing people again! Which cities will they go to live?
Consultants! Lots ex education staff are being employed to work for the better read program .
Education Review Office reviewed what was taught based on the curriculum.
Tame tried so hard to trip her up but she is way above him on knowledge and intelligence. Stick to your left loving interviews Jack youre no good in the big people world.
Trump's girl
And not in the 'woke' BS way that Labour and the Greens foisted on our educators, thank God, save our kids from that idiocy and stupidity.
This minister highlights cabinet votes on matters it doesn't fully understand .
600 + 600 = 1,200. Labour support this idea from innovated state school boards . National are expanding Labour program.
Well done Erica ⭐️ ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Local bodies know best ( boards of trustees) know best. This is the new governments view points. It seems it is selective.
Maths we have the numerousy project which sets out levels and math skills.
Crap pay…. no thanks
crap pay that at best will have you renting for life
Classrooms! How short is Auckland of Classrooms?
I'd love for them to also talk about the genocide of the Moriori people by Maori that basically justified Europeans at the time to do what they did as was happening at the same time.
Europeans were doing it everywhere anyway 😂
I would love them to teach that genocide of the moriori was conducted by Europeans and Taranaki Maori, not by all Maori. Get your facts right before making stupid racists comments.
Bought time we saw common sense back in our education system. The absolute waffle and high levels of back office bureaucracy in this previous govt has ruined many children’s chance at a good education. The evidence clearly shows that. Teachers and schools should be funded according to the results of the students. That’d put a fire up their butts finally.
If we did not import people ( including kids), we may not have a teacher shortage, and people did not flock to Auckland . Solution!
Well done Erica. Jack needs to stop playing gotcha.
Erica rocks 👍