David Seymour: School lunches and charter school ambitions | Q+A 2024
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Associate Education Minister David Seymour wants cheaper school lunches for students that need it. Q+A asks him how effective the revamped programme could be and whether he will give schools the support they need to deliver it.
Meanwhile, the first charter schools are expected to be up and running by Term 1 next year. Seymour says he's taking inspiration from England, where 80% of secondary schools are run under the academy programme, which has many similarities to New Zealand charter schools.
Join Jack Tame and the Q+A team and find the answers to the questions that matter. Made with the support of NZ on Air.
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What happened to seymore claiming that perceptions were more important than facts.
Suddenly, he is now claiming the reverse when it's about him.
Rampant hypocracy does he think we have forgotten his comments at the start of his term.
Seymour is a marketer through and through, he’ll say whatever’s required in the moment to garner attention
Seymour seriously downplaying how bad losing the roads through Kaikōura was on freight, it really speaks volumes to how out of touch the government is with the south island
@@rtvandle agreed. I'm in the Central North Island and can tell you this coalition is an Auckland centric policy machine
Main Frieght owner clearly stated Labour's logic for a ferry with rail capacity was the way to go.
Yes, there has been a major increase in illness. The media and politicians simply ignore covid, which continues to be a huge issue in schools.
Not just COVID, all viruses have increased…
@@Jo-AnnMcDowell Exactly, and data shows unequivocally that this trend began in 2021. What else started in 2021?
Since the rollout of the jabs the country is sick all the time
@@feesullivan3439 since the removal of all social distancing and mask mandates, you mean
@@feesullivan3439 Yep mental health illnesses have increased amongst anti vax conspiracy theorists.
Why are schools the only institutions in the world where if your child is terrorized, attacked, beaten, labeled etc, parents are forced to place them in these abusive environments? An attack is called an "incident", and any other forms of abuse in schools are referred to as "bullying". Sickness isn't the only issue that causes absenteeism.
I wished i never sent my children to school. Its like they go to this place and never really ever come back the same. I hated school. Apart from learning basic reading and writing it was pointless.
Home school
@kelz6569 My mother told me to not be stupid. I would have happily home schooled them. I should have gone with my instincts.
The real world is what your told to believe. Even when it's a convenient lie.
Disappointed you did not delve in to the numbers Seymour mentioned about chronic truancy.. 52%... Is that true?
Google it .....
@@spider-man910 you miss the point.
The whole thing about truancy stats is which ones you use to paint a narrative? 52% or 38% as of today depending on region urban or rural? Nz sits on. 2% nation wide currently Aus on 3.6 but compared to the planet both countries are about averagely low but please check
@@AAL3087 Like what .....
@@spider-man910 We did, google says it's not true. So does common sense when no one knows a school age kid who had half their class last year fail. And they changed the number from 80% barely a month ago. There comes a point when you either believe the lie or call it out.
why didnt you ask RIMMER re TIM JAGO
Seymour: "Jack don't attack me about neturality, its a flawed argument"
Jack: "Oh well you must have some examples of this happening before then?"
Seymour: "I don't want to talk about this anymore"
Jesus christ what an actual snake.
Q+A next time you should just save the effort and get Jack to ask Seymour to CC you all in his emails from the Atlas Network. That way Jack will know all of Seymours opinions and policies at the same time Seymour does.
Seymour knows nothing ... he uses the terms "seems to be" "we think" "appears to be" " remains to be seen" "it could" .....I don't trust his weaselly words
Wise.
Yeah but you know nothing and don't have the ability to understand basic economics, I wouldn't trust someone either if I was too stupid to understand the logic behind it
I notice that too. This is how he gets away with his lies.
He's already on record as being anti-science and anti-evidence.
Well spotted. They use this language to create Overton Windows. The PM has a set of phrases also. They come from a script.
Why has he set the attendance and pass rates for charter schools lower than state schools. Because he is David Atlas Seymour 😂😂
big difference in IQ .
Lower pass rates? Half the curriculum will be learning about Noahs Arc.
It's like his new "truancy punishments" are designed to force families who work (kids included since that's a major driver) are designed specifically to drive up enrollments at his charter schools where the parents won't be jailed or financially harmed. Almost like a set up from a very dishonest excuse for a human being
@@keithomelvena2354 haha yeah they just spend all day learning how to be like David Seymour 😂
He's changed his attitude from "woke foods" and "they should be happy with sandwiches". It's almost like everyone telling him he was full of it were right after all. Almost like we should listen to the experts it's cost us hundreds of millions to train for this express purpose. But it does show all of Seymour's ideas are idiotic pipe dreams that don't work in the real world instead of his fantasyland.
I don't think he's changing his position on it due to the expert advice he willfully ignored. He caved to social pressure, and that can't happen until he's screwed up bad enough to cause a social outcry. He really is the worst example of a human being.
@@CitizenGold He really is
For someone who hates regulation and claims to be a libertarian, the truancy policy seems very opposed to Seymour's values.
Seymour is a dictator - an Authoratarian ... this is all about his power.
I have a naughty grandson, truancy and answering back to adults. He's 13 both parents work he's the oldest to a 5year old and 4 year old. Family have helped with childcare because dads job requires him traveling away. He's a menace, disruptive lies, swears, climbs out windows, approaches houses. We blame those games. The school have been supportive and haves plans in place. The stress has affected his parents, taking time off is less money in the home. Fines and jail im worried, going thru it now with truancy
That's every where kids are running riot at school because why...parents ain't aloud to be parents no discipline in school and home and they know they can get away with bein naughty and no consequences to there actions it's turning these kids into entitled kids that grow into entitled adults
@patrickhauraki8713 also because kids aren't raised as much by parents these days. Childcare centre's and school raise kids. Parents are too busy trying to work to get by
Your grandson has to be presented with enforceable consequences.; privileges withdrawn, holidays forgone, getting up early to do more family chores, helping more to make a family contribution to cover the time adults spend trying to correct him etc. His parents have to stand up to him, as do grandparents, aunts and uncles, not cave in. Who runs the house, the adults or a 13 year old?
Only someone without kids could think you can legislate your way through parenting teenagers. Rimmer doesn’t have a clue.
Why doesn't the Govt. do some media ads on the importance of education as they did with drink driving?
Parents responsibility not governments?
Yes we need a deep and very open look at how everyone is getting sick since 2021. Even on celebrity treasure island 2 of the celebrities have had to leave the show due to health issues (breathing and heart issues - young and fit) ??
On taskmaster Nz one of the comedians was not able to attend the show for tue entire season as he had “health issues”.
Come on politicians. Time to face it and open up the closed door of what’s really going on.
You were told along with everyone else 5 years ago. It's your own fault you refused to believe the germ theory you were taught as a child or in high school.
Free school lunches are like a tax cut for parents
_The ILO discussed FPA's because of a complaint by Business NZ. The findings are here. The Committee simply asked the Government to keep working with social partners while developing the legislation, essentially giving FPA's the ILO seal of approval_
The economist Craig Rennie calculated a $4m+ cost to take the TP bill to select committee. Oh that's right. The coalition government doesn’t take advice from experts like economists, Ministry of Justice, Ministry for Regulations, the Supreme Court, etc etc etc.
Great discussion David. I still value the importance for teachers to have a teachers only day as it was for those during my school days and as we know teachers may still be doing things at home and some weekends for their jobs and these children. More attendance is good, speaking to the youth police officers was awesome to hear, the option of some public schools to change into a charter school sounds appropriate, some children get sick more often and I can see a matter could be because of them going through puberty (they're having huge growth spurt a lot earlier). Some children are difficult for their parents. I believe times will change for the better. Ones have done well shutting down schools and adult education providers over these years that were poorly operating and having the Ministry of Development being able to refer beneficiaries onto these courses, monitoring all the schools is great 😊.
David the catering expert will provide the same quality lunch for 3$ instead of 8$ - Yeah right..
No free lunches at all
@HunkyMan777 good to see you don't care about kids that don't have food.
@@kiwikiwi223 getting rid of the 150 providers and rationalising the service so that there is efficiency and money well spent
@@kiwikiwi223 Parents are responsible for feeding kids. Simple
My parents fed me, my wife & I fed our children no government fed our children.
When is the Government making English an official language.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
We want see less sacked...fired
The most untrustworthy politician I've seen ever
You are joking…the Greens and Te Pati Māori are deceitfulness itself and utterly untrustworthy in every respect.
@@Neil-yx3rc now you're being a bit silly. Can you name anything that te pati maori has influenced that was deceitfull. Or any policies that passed that was deceitful.
@DMWinterburn they havnt "passed" anything because they are not in government (thank god).
@@Neil-yx3rcof neil... You just hate them because they dont back your racist veiws...
@@DMWinterburn racism is deceitful, Te Pati Maori are deceitful because they claim to represent maori when they represent themselves
Education is the answer.
We used to have truancy officers and I would not have liked them to turn up at our house.
Not Jacky at his best - disappointing. I thought he had a reputation but perhaps he is just one of the 'great unwashed'. Charter Schools are a poor fit for Aotearoa NZ. Zero oversight, no background checks, no registration/certification and no academic qualifications needed!
that's simply not true - they are going to be held to very high accountability standards. The last charter schools were very successful
@@lesleypether291 the last charter schools were a success? By what standard? Student achievement? Only 40% of students demonstrated satisfactory achievement. Watch as another cohort of students under perform thanks to Rimmer's bad policy
That’s a false statement. I suggest you learn about charter schools and not just parrot 🦜 what the left parties scream
@@lesleypether291 That simply isn't true. The last charter schools were a failure which is why Seymour is fiddling with the new requirements. Furethermore, 27% of all charter schools in the USA go broke within the first five years. And chater schools in the USA provide worse educational outcomes than the public system. There is 25 years of research data backing up what I am saying. I didn't make it up. But Seymour never mentions these FACTS because no one would accept charter schools in NZ if the public knew the truth.
Why do Maori and Pasifika students, statistically, often do better in charter schools than mainstream education?
Cost of :
School Uniform cost
Digital device cost and information how data is collected. Critical race and gender idealogy.
Don’t have children you will be unable to provide for. Children are parents responsibility.
@@jasperhorace7147 That was one of Seymour's bot accounts he put on to support himself. You can tell by them all being created either april - dec 2019 or in the may-sept period of 2023 or jan of this year. They were glitched for the past week just posting their names on things like the BHN channel or this one but he uses them to support his american-centric talking points and as distraction/disinformation fodder.
If I could figure that out, so could you if you bothered trying
@@jasperhorace7147 agreed
All worried he will be soon Deputy PM what else he can takes to damage nz
Emboldened slavery, this is what is sounds like
LOL. Jack's "illness plays a part in that" line fell flat. You could even see he was cringing himself.
he’s a grifter something else has his soul as seemore is willing to sacrifice our children’s wellbeing to gain interest for his donors
Should check out his Canadian accent..
Gee that's a bit far fetched ...
@@spider-man910
well a 🖼️ he’s painting of himself it seems
@@spider-man910 his donors are backing the privatization of our education infrastructure.
You can clearly see that the guy from the productive commission spoke with good logic . This is why ACT abolished this commission.
🤏🏻🐔 Seymour
Kia ora 🙂
Mr Atlas Seymour's solutions to his explicit problems appear to be trying to solve different "problems" than the ones stated.
Seenothing over reaching into parents rights. Children are usually away for legitimate reasons. There are complexities based on bullying, special needs/neurodivergent and various homelife isssues such as children needing to take on part time work for families struggling with living costs and family dynamics. Yet schools are required to do as he wishes with no extra resources. He loves to be the nanny wiggling the finger. But wherr are support resources to help schools? Oh better to go for charter schools.
Seriously downplaying what happened went the rail and road was badly damaged in 2016!!! That’s a life line for the South Island rail is needed. You government doesn’t care about the South Island especially with the dunners hosptail 🙄
Kids being sick is not part of chronic absenteeism Jack. You are looking to nail David on non issues. Real issue is getting kids back in school, something David and his party are trying to fix.
Practically anyone can get into a university. Raise the bar in terms of qualifying for university entrance or apprenticeships and more students will attend school and put more into their study. Expectations are so low at the moment kids can move onto the next level with minimum effort.
Jack Tame needs to start interviewing people from outside government, we are not a communist country, so the most important influence on our country is the private sector not the government, Jack has just become lazy and arrogant, interviewing people from private sector, and the respectfulness required of talking to people who do not have to speak their views would be good for him.
'It's not Trivial Pursuit, Jack.' Love it.
22 minutes in, that look made me a little sick.
Mmmmm, it takes a big person to admit their own errors.
Hahaha yes I saw that..noted
Attendance does not equate to learning. Force truants in school and they become disruptive. One disruptive student takes up hours of teacher time and school resources most often with no good outcome.
1.6% of the period, what is the increase in terms of % of truancy days?
For your buddies of the West, who kids come here. Waste of money hobnose David. Liar Education is not a winner, every policies has failed this country. What, why don't you lets parents have choices go to schools and learned or learned at home, like peoples working from home instead of being in a workplace.
Chronicle illness was non existance during your campaign.
The majority of kiwis were educated totally fine without hot lunches.
Very true
Sop calling New Zealanders as a whole “ the great unwashed”
David seymore doesn't have a clue as to what to do with absence and giving parents fines just proves how heartless he is when people in this country are living in a recession, inflation and a high cost of living.
haha david the wolf!!
Omg, when i was at school in the late 70s and early 80s we were only allowed 5 days off a year.. wait, lets not drop the kids off like they are babies, use a bike,3 weatbix for breakfast and 2 sandwiches for lunch. And have both parents working.
@davidnesbitt1608 both parents working are the reason the kids are the way are these days. They've been raised by others since birth
I have a naughty grandson, truancy and answering back to adults. He's 13 both parents work he's the oldest to a 5year old and 4 year old. Family have helped with childcare because dads job requires him traveling away. He's a menace, disruptive lies, swears, climbs out windows, approaches houses. We blame those games. The school have been supportive and haves plans in place. The stress has affected his parents, taking time off is less money in the home. Fines and jail im worried, going thru it now with truancy
Just keep in mind, under Seymour they'd be fined and possibly jailed. Can't make it a dystopia if you don't have intergenerational punishment
2.3 billion Tax rebates to landlords is NOT THE BEST USE OF MONEY.
Cry me a river (and, no, not a landlord)
@@rayc8948 How about you front up to the all the funerals of everyone who died in ER due to underfunding. Unless you can't put your money where your selfish mouth is, like usual
Jack your credibility would improve if you just acknowledge when incorrect.
This guy just can't stop lying.
Hey Jack a pattern of school non attendance will emerge which will include excuses,he’s is not talking about the odd day here and there would not be followed up.and Jack go find another job you are outclassed we you meet intelligent people.
But won't show anyone the evidence he SAYS he has. Cause he can't, it doesn't exist. If it did, half the country would know a kid who failed. Use some common sense
Jack is much more interested in trying to land punches and give his own political view than giving his viewers the benefit of hearing the policies of the people his interviewing. Well done to DS for keeping calm and clear in his communication
You misspelled "lying"
Tame well and truly met his match in this one.
How? Seymour completely reversed his "woke foods" agenda and wouldn't front up with his numbers.
If I want to take my kids on holiday for an entire year & miss school then thats what ill do & someone who doesn’t even have kids wont be telling me what to do
@@kiakaha6854 agreed
And they'll jail you for it. Can't ruin NZ if you don't do intergenerational punishments like north korea.
Parents have choices.... David Sounding more like Chris Hipkins in government, you have a choice but you'll be punished if we don't like your choice 😂
Mental health awareness week. Hoping Seymour seeks the help he so clearly needs.
whats wrong with him?
@@jizzlipps That's what the psychotherapy hopes to find out.
@@jizzlippsEverything thats not right with him
Yea hes a sociopath, will cause significant harm to NZ society. Should never have been let anywhere near the influence and mechanisms of government.
Totally Semore is delusional
Two intelligent people here, but one of them is great at manipulation and bias to influence the public! Guess which one?
David Seymour :)
@@TheWulgus 😁
@@annahouston9528 jesus
@@DMWinterburn lol
Its starting to feel like we are living in a dictatorship
Jack is as ridiculous as tova
His questions are so low grade and nit picky.
Hot lunches 🤦♀️
Guess what Jack.
The majority of kiwis were educated totally fine without hot lunches.
My god. What a joke
@@feesullivan3439 we slso didn't have poverty stats like we do now. Things are alot different then in your day.
A complete 180 from "woke foods" and "they should be happy with sandwiches" is nit picky instead of showing real life evidence of why his pie in the sky policies don't work in real life? How's that wastage? Still in single digits?
Seymour likes teenagers, he is sick and should not have anything to do with kids.
David Seymour, Joseph Stalin ,Pol pot, Adolf Hitler, Benjamin Netanyahoo. Truly some of the worst examples of our species.
are you for real? Because he wants kids to go to school you think he is like AH and PP?
I'd be interested, why don't you spend sine time studying Seymour career, what he's been up to previously in canada for example see if you still feel the same.
@@robvanderveen3411 Maybe you should stop reading lefty propaganda hit pieces which ironically were big drivers behind Stalin and Hitler to misinform people which then gave them misinformed opinions of others.. I'm not a Seymour fan but you sir are a clown for even making such a parallel.
No wonder he kept that shit quite he's an anti-environmentalist.
In other words pro fossil fuels.
Bring Jacinda back. The real prime Minister who actually cared about kiwis 😢
Jacinda was the worst PM in NZ's recent history. Good first term, terrible second. If she hadn't jumped ship she would have been voted out.
Need to bring labour party back into Government next election please
Fuck no
Hell no.
Oh hell no.
no
You're dreaming. 0% chance of that in 2026.
You don't even have to like David Seymour to see how biased Jack is when he interviews people he doesn't like
You don't have to go to Specsavers to see that David Seymour spouts absolute nonsense with no factual basis.
I didn’t see that I found him extremely fair
@KiwiVonnie All good, everyone has a right to their own opinion
Jack is left biased but he was fairly soft on Seymour here.
@dimvoly probably right. I guess I'm comparing it to Tori Whanau interview, where Jack didn't seem to interrupt as much.
Who are the great unwashed Seymore
They are called tenants. You know...the ones who make David Seymour's tax dodging landlord mates wealthy.
A superb performance by Seymour in which he once again demonstrates his superior intellect and power of reason
Totally agree
He only did a 180 on "woke foods" and didn't answer half the questions. Rimmer is the worst human in the country
Yes, he does look like Dave Rimmer. You are correct on that point
Thank goodness for Seymour.
Others have pretended there are no problems.
Abrasive… Jack… interviewer…is trying to trip Seymour up at every point…..he should be congratulating Seymour.
Less of the school boy smart ass from the interviewer would be great.
Seymour is the problem,notice the Nats are leaving him on his own on this one
Seymour is pretty smug
Lrss of the 'schoolboy smartass' from David Seymour!
you love the guy, yet he will never love you
@@alistermacpherson7120They are playing good cop..bad cop….they agree with it…but leave it to gutsy Seymour.
It is my opinion that Jack Tame was rude throughout this discussion and if the tables were turned and the very patient David Seymour had behaved the way Jack Tame did, he would have been chastised by the NZ public, no doubt led by our duplicitous NZ media.
It's is this combative demeanor, game playing and inability to let interviewees finish their points that has led me to stop watching the New Zealand news and now this Q&A RUclips thing.
This is the first and last thing I will watch on this channel, I was only here to see what David Seymour had to say and due to Tame's constant interruptions, I couldn't even do that.
There is a reason the Diary of a CEO hosted by Stephen Bartlett has over 7 million subscribers. It's because he listens and enables his interviewees to talk. It's a joyful, educational, deeply intimate experience, and it's 100 times better than this old-school, argumentative, 'hard hitting' journalistic BS.
Note to David - it would be great to see you chat with Stephen on his podcast - you'd definitely be allowed to finish your sentences there.
What … is this your first Tame interview you watched. Want to see bad then see the interview with Willis!
Personally I thought he was well researched, reasonable and non antagonistic compared to some.
lol. Jack is no match for David 👏🏼
@@feesullivan3439 the truth is no match for D See-less.
Agreed - great to see Jack Tame lose in an intellectual discussion.
@@rayc8948 All Seymour had to do was lie about what he said about food in schools and how they were going to acieve cheaper costs. What happened to "no woke foods"? Oh, a complete 180 on his policy because he lied to you like a trump supporter, that explains it. I suppose it's no longer "just sandwiches and they should be happy to get that.".
For people pretending they're so smart, you guys have to reverse your positions a lot
Tame makes a fool of himself again🤣🤣
Said the fake, 1 year old bot account
Jack you really need to get yourself sorted and get up earlier in the morning. You are trying at every question to trip David up. Unfortunately for you, you just show your colours (not a pretty sight!). David is more than a match for you and your style is appalling. Stop interrupting, ask simple questions, let him answer and acknowledge how biased you really are.
I thought Jack Tame interviewed better than normal (less interupting and talking over). Seymour did a great job of not being bullied by him.
lol, another of seymours bot accounts made in 2022. And you guessed it, in the june-july period.
Jack hasn't learnt anything from the downfall of media in NZ. Jack Lame classic!! Still talking over the top of the person thats paying his wage with an interview. His ego is bigger than Mount Cook.
OMG jobs for the girls @ $600/day!!!
It’s good a journalist is corrected when they start pandering to perceptions. Objectively, there are genuine efforts to create a framework that addresses challenges here. Good.
Also, acknowledging the rights of parents was well done.
I think cooperation is important. Education is at a point of evolutions. Passing down knowledge through education is good, but also, creating environments in which the expressions, gifts and talents of these young souls can flourish.
As has been suggested elsewhere, schools could be growing gardens, cooking, making things etc, and learning subjects through these actions. Meditating together or sitting in silence. It is harmonising. Older cultures do it.
I think it’s understandable to a point, that children don’t want to go. Sitting at a desk all those hours. It’s literally a ‘concentration camp’.
I know many are already enriching classrooms and children’s lives. That’s wonderful and we build on that.
Has jack got a thumb ring😂😂😂
A lot of kids are scared to go to schools, Just look at social media!
Good interview by Jack Tame. Not his usual style of interruptting and talking over guests.
Seymour sounds good on all points, and that was why I abandoned the ideological nonsense of Laboutlr in 2023 elections and voted for ACT.
whatever bot
you abandoned Labours ideological nonsense, and switched to Acts ideological nonsense. Did you finish school? wtf
Hahaha at least Jack has the self awareness to know no one likes the state of media 🤣🤣 Bright future for unbiased media 👍👍
You mean lying trump supporters
Good work Mr Seymour, much needed changes for New Zealand, looking forward for more Democratic policies from the Coalition.
Democratic policies 😂. Like how they've been passing everything under urgency without due process?
@@CUZZABRO you should know that ACT's policies were on line for everyone to see PRIOR to their election......there was your Democratic chance to have your say.....
Racist toxic liar govt, cant wait til we vote them out!
@@andreatodd3095 oh good so democracy only applies at election times does it? Listen to yourself.
@@andreatodd3095democracy only applies at election times does it? Listen to yourself.
No free lunches for kids. Taxpayers should not pay to feed someone else's kids
Whark, no people should have their culture stripped from them... But we have a history of it....
Poor Unions dont like Charter Schools ahahhaha- The only time we got a hot lunch at school was maybe once a week when we were aloud to buy from the shop -Otherwise is was Sandwiches
@sweetascuzz me too, but I also paid enough attention in school to know the difference between aloud and allowed.
Merely attending class is not the same as being present no matter what you had for lunch.