Mass Effect 4 | This Theory Could Explain EVERYTHING (The Bridge between Galaxies)
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- In todays Mass Effect 4 theory video, i'll be diving into the possibility of the original Mass Effect trilogy & Andromeda having an even deeper connection than we've realized. Who are the Jardaan? Why are we seeing hints about Mass Effect Andromeda being important in the Next Mass Effect teaser trailer?
I'll be exploring that very question & more.
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Just FYI - This isn't my theory, i've just seen it pop up every now & again across the fandom - So i decided to do a thought experiment.
You know, incase it needs to be said 😉
Hmm...it does sound plausible.
It will be like Interstellar (2014) - the mysterious voice you were chasing was your loving daddy all along :D
I like the possibility that eventually they made a way to get to Andromeda. But not really that they are the ancient people of that galaxy. Why would they leave? Like all of them, it would be impossible to convince everybody to leave. Also in 600 years the language should not be that different that nobody can recognise it imo. Personally I would also prefer if the new game is set a few years or decades after the trilogy so we can see our old crew, I miss them.
I just want to say that it would be awesome if the dead quarians and geth that we see in the poster died together fighting against something else. Seeing quarians and geth as allies would be wholesome. Perhaps it could be the research facility that is investigating how to resurrect the geth and once they are successful they get attacked by the leviathans.
Personally I believe the Jaardan are separate from the Milky way. I think they represent a different form of galactic caretaking than the Reapers. The Reapers had no respect for human choice. That was the main problem here. Just like the Kett, they view us as not knowing what's good for us. They also view minds as life and consciousness as living, versus us poor primitive organics that view bodies as life and consciousness as unique. To us identity is in a body mind combination. To them its purely the mind. Shepard and his Clone are both Shepard to them. And had Shepard's clone lived, I doubt the Reapers would have cared which of him they harvested.
The Jaardan said their view on this quite plainly when you go to Khi Tasira. They left a message in their own voice and in their own words. "Individual life is nothing, the machine of life is everything." They view making life and protecting species diversity as as holy a commandment as the Kett view Exaltation. I tend to view most of the Heleus cluster as being artificial. Any world we find a vault or find remnant facilities on was probably intended to be an inhabitable planet. I also tend to view certain planets as having specific roles. Havarl and Aya are meant to be cradles of life. Voeld is meant to be a water world and/or a place for creating or running a giant computer, but they could also harvest water. Which would then be sent to Elaaden where they likely had a shipyard. Elaaden is especially important to this theory because it contains everything you need to build mega structures easily accessible. The downed remnant ship is intended to be a clue, that there was a shipyard here, and they were likely hoping that the Angara would find one of their ships and try to copy it. You have iron, graphite, silicon and element zero. Add in the copper from Voeld and you have everything needed to make mass effect drive capable starships. The graphite could be used to make steel, but also graphene, which has a TON of industrial applications, the most famous of which is building light, tough armor and extremely strong structures with small supports. Graphene could also make batteries useable in prosthetics or solar panels, and what does Elaaden have a ton of? yeah... SUN.
In the center of Heleus is something that would be FANTASTIC for the Dark Energy plot, a black hole. See there's an alternative to the Big Rip or Big Crunch, which is what the Reapers were trying to prevent, the Big Freeze. In which the universe becomes increasingly dark and cold and hostile to life. As Thane so eloquently put it, 'The wheel of entropy mills another soul.' And 'Entropy wins, entropy always wins.' This is a truth both the Reapers and Jaardan would know. But the future of the big freeze would have certain places where it was possible to harvest enough energy to run a digital simulation, black holes. There are a lot of proposals floating around about how to manipulate Black Holes for producing energy, and even turning them into massive bombs. And there's a black hole in the center of heleus, just waiting for a digital civilization to snap it up. If we're going to find the Jaardan at all during the next few games, it will be there, as a digital civilization living on a server around Heleus' black hole.
I also believe the Benefactor was a Remnant AI, we can assume the Benefactor was steering members of the milky way races towards leaving the Galaxy. But it was also in a perfect position to prevent any member of the Initiative from finding out what was up until it was too late. That's why Jien Garson was killed, because she found out what was up. And all you need is to find one person whom, if told the truth, would do anything to make sure the truth didn't get out and the Ark didn't turn around.
The Geth implied by their very nature another interesting facet of AI that the Jaardan could turn to their advantage, and this is why I say they sent the Benefactor as an AI. If you can send data, you can send a person. And if you can scan faster than light in real time, there's nothing stopping the Jaardan or Benefactor or Remnant from faking returns from that giant Geth telescope. Hell the benefactor could do it more easily, showing people looking at Heleus what the cluster was like before the Scourge, minus signs of inhabitation, and voila sensor scans so tempting no colony effort could possibly resist.
Further, if you can send Data, you can send a Geth, so the Geth don't need a physical ark, just a combined compressed transmission able to cross between galaxies and a tempting server with a receiver able to catch them. Once there, the Remnant negotiates with them. "We will give you resources, but you must try to hide from the organics in this area for a few centuries. However, if you do this you will have this place mostly to yourself for that time, and we will give you free roam and inspection of our equipment and databases to play with as you want. We know you want to make your own way, which is why we're letting you tinker with them, just don't wreck what we've already created." And there you have it, Geth in andromeda. Probably with newer, spiffier, remtech infused mobile platforms that could potentially be harder to defeat than their old ones.
Jaardan could be a race from the previous cycle that escaped Milky Way.
Interesting
That is a very interesting possibility. Now it makes me wonder how long do protheans live. If they live as long as asari perhaps Javik is alive and he could recognise them.
Wow, that opens up so many possibilities. First, I would change "the" to "a". What if a race from A previous cycle escaped the Milky Way? They would have had 50k or even 100k years to advance, and whatever happened that created the Scourge is less than 600 years ago. Any race from a previous cycle could have evolved into God-like beings after all that time. And what it is was one or more Leviathans? They are already god-like and obviously they have had to find a way to avoid Reaper detection across millions of years, and once the cycle had settled, they would know when to hide and how to erase their tracks, but they would have 50k years to work on long term projects. What if the Jardaan are Leviathans, trying to colonize the Hellius cluster with thrall races, but some one fought back and triggered the Scourge, a sort of doomsday weapon.
@@AudeKhatru some cool ideas, the escape from the milky way last cycle being one. But the leviathan couldn't be the Jaardan, we saw one of the jaardans cities and technology and it didn't seem like something the leviathan would be able to operate or create without help. So someone would have to have helped them make the aangara.
@@tonyseccia You are correct, but Meridan could be a construct by and for a thrall race.
Maybe The geth plan was to leave the milky way to avoid war with the quarians and that before shepard make peace with them or destroyed them
Sure! That could deffo explain their survival
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And now Bioware says: “Oh shit, they figured it out. Let’s change everything again to make it a surprise!”
Ouch 🤣
@@MrHulthen You think it’s a joke? I’m pretty sure that Star Wars story was bad because they wanted to avoid every popular fan theories…:) and since all good plots already had a fan theory, they were left with only bad plots as options, if they wanted a surprise plot twist…
@@juzoli I dont know. The idea of Rey being the daughter of a clone of Palpatine is very interesting and it ties with the legends where he also cloned himself. But they just explained it very badly. They should have given some clues in movie 2 and reveal that Palpatine is alive at the end. Then in movie 3 Rey finds a cloning facility and there she learns who her father was.
@@anvime739 I didn’t say to not have a plot twist at all. This would make it predictable and boring.
There were no clues about Luke being Vader’s kid either.
What I was joking about is that seemingly they changed what the plot-twist would be between the episodes.
@@juzoli It is really sad that the movies changed directors. I like both but they did not work together. If they had only one director they could have been much better
My only issue with that theory is: wouldn't we have seen people outside the initiative from the milky way in andromeda?
In short: yes.
The archon knew nothing about the Milky Way races.
The cluster we explore in Andromeda may have been isolated by the Scourge. If I recall correctly it's been there for a long time, so maybe whoever outside of the Scourge in the other parts of the galaxy couldn't get in there.
I love how the andromeda galaxy is connected with the milky way as science is showing that sometime in the future our galaxies will collide and merge into one.
Honestly I love this idea, but it has a huge flaw. The Kett start to study the milky way races having never encountered them before. That's made clear in the study room or whatever it was on their ship in Andromeda. Since the Kett have essentially taken over a large area of Andromeda where the remnant exist, it would have to be that they all died. Which kind of defeats the purpose of setting up that kind of narrative.
But, it is also stated that the Kett, in MEA's time, were a pretty recent threat, coming around after the Scourge started messing with Heleus, around 2744 going by lore. I don't think it's that farfetched to presume the Milky Way people got to Andromeda via a Mass Relay, did their thing, and then for whatever reason fled before the Scourge became a thing, since Andromeda's events take place in 2819. In fact, the Scourge could be the very reason they left, or could be caused by they leaving the galaxy somehow.
@@MarceloZ2 agreed with reaper tech the building of all these technology woud be really fast. and its possible that the milky way people didnt want war that would risk the destruction of alot of things so they just left
This theory is actually insane 😂 It sounds so crazy yet believable and possible. The Jardaan being a Milky Way race would really tie Andromeda and the trilogy together. If this theory is right then I think we could have ourselves a really interesting and cool story for the next mass effect. Great video and props to the person who thought of it
No. The remnant tech is not ours which is clear if you played ME Andromeda. This is why that trailer is so mysterious. There should be no link between milky way and andromeda. I think the writers are going to hand us a massive curve ball! That is why I am excited.
I agree. The remnant tech seems other wordly and not of the milky way.
If the Khett invade the Milky way 600 years AFTER the MW races figured out how to build a bridge to Andromeda, create the Angaran, the terraforming network, and Meridian then they will be in for a very rude awakening if they go all aggro. Liara will definitely be alive in 600 years, as will Grunt. But not Shepard, unless they do a ME2 do-over.
I'll be pissed of the Quarians and Geth are enemies again. That storyline has been done.
I like the mass relays to andromeda. That could have been something that the initiative was meant to do. Also information could have been sent to them on how to build a relay network to get to Milky Way. Great theories so far. This game can’t come out soon enough
The only Mass Effect Relay created in current cannon was the Protheons
@@darthvex1971 the reapers built the mass relays to make harvesting faster for each cycle
@@prodbyfelony why yes they did. In the codex and what we know the Protheons built a mass relay.... linking ios to the citadel. No one else has.
@@darthvex1971 are you positive? I think maybe you are getting confused with the crucible. I could be entirely wrong but I don't remember any species being able to successfully build a mass relay, they just simply discovered them. Looks like I'm due for another playthrough lmao
@@prodbyfelony ME1 there is a hologram that tells of the Protheons creation of a mass relay. It links to citidel. Last mission in first game
I like the idea of a connection between the two galaxies, but the Jardaan being one or more if the milkey way species seems somehow anticlimactic. But, the Kett making it to the Milky Way would be very interesting. Furthermore, I hope they don't reuse the reapers.
Lmao you want them to reuse the kett (one of the worst villains in video game history) and not reuse the reapers (one of the best). Okay man. I don’t think reusing the reapers would be all that great but I’m not spending 60 dollars to fight the kett again.
@@HolmstienThe kett do have potential to be interesting, despite the rough start. The Reapers arc as been closed though, and it would be VERY dissatisfying to bring them back now, especially if Shepard isnt in the new game (which is still very up in the air).
The Jardaan Khi Tasira space station was established in 1600 BC. The Geth were created in 1858 AD.
That is, the Jardaan station was created 3458 years before the creation of the Geth
Thanks for making me choke on my coffee with that shoutout about my theory 😂😭 love your content man 🤘🏻
Haha whoops, not my intention! 😂 thanks dude! You have some cool theories 👊
@@MrHulthen Thank you man, I’m just happy you enjoy my content as I do yours. 🤘🏻🔥
Awesome brofist moment
An advanced Mass Relay bridge between The Milky Way galaxy and Andromeda galaxy would be very cool, so many possibilities. 😎
I’m guessing the black hole in Andromeda is connected to this some how. The sun Quarians was studying may have went supernova and made a wormhole and connected to Andromeda, but hey 😃
I mean they did let you get closer to the black hole in ME:A so hey you might be on to something
I would prefer something like this, but it should need to be explained elegantly. But it would be awesome to connect "post trilogy Milky way" with "Ridders Andromeda". I would like to know more about Andromeda but i want to see the original crew of the trilogy. Even if they are now npcs and not companions. Like councilor Garrus and admiral Tali
Wormholes aren’t natural phenomena
@CommanderShepard I know nothing bout wormholes, supernova, or Einstein Rosen bridges..... other than they are a thing😁
@@MrJoker725Its science FICTION bro aliens also arent natural phenomena 😭 cmon let us have some fun
The Reapers and the Jardaan are two sides to the same coin. Equal in technological advancement. They were fighting a war that spanned myriad galaxies and the fighting kept each other in check. With the reapers now gone, there is no one to keep the Jardaan from spreading beyond control. They’re going to move in on both galaxies to reclaim them. The plot in Mass Effect 4 will involve having to build/rebuild one of the destroyed reapers in order to fight against the first Jardaan harbinger that has come to the Milky Way as a precursor to invasion. The cycle continues.
I would say the Geth are the Remnant. Which is why they had terraforming abilities because their goal was to make the worlds more habitable by the time the colonists arrived. But something went wrong...
When I finished the final battle in Andromeda, I overheared a npc say : "the quarians are coming" or "the quarians are on their way" or something similiar... I could be hearing ghosts of maybe remember it wrong...
It's about quarian ark (and volus, ecc....)
I love the bridge between galaxies idea. Connecting andromeda and the milky way would be awesome.
Interestingly a few Codex entries in ME Andromeda point out that many plants and a few animals have many similarities wit Milky Way plant and life cultures.
might even be possible during the game you have to go back and forth via mass relays between andromeda and the Milkyway. Or create or find and activate a Relay in Andromeda than you can find out what happend in the Mikyway and go on a hunt for shepard
The thing about finding Shepard makes literally no sense, especially if it's supposed to be Ryder looking for him, humans if they are lucky live up to 150 as Shepard said in ME1, Shepard was 32, Andromeda starts 634 years after ME2, there is no way Shepard could be alive unless they put him on ice, but there is no reason to do so.
@@RaRmAn this is my theory come up with your own i dont change mine .
You should never just rule out any theory, no matter how unlikely it may seem at first, especially since developers like to use popular theories from their fans to give them what they want. For my part, I hope that this theory doesn't turn out to be true, because I don't like the bigger implications of it, but it would be an interesting scenario, so let's take the thought a moment further.
Heleus is only a single cluster of the Andromeda Galaxy and therefore a tiny part of something we don't know the rest of. A few years ago I heard the theory that the Remnants could have been created by "Good" Reapers and that they were also the creators of the Angara. The question of why was not discussed then, but it came back to me now with this video.
So we could mix both theories and then something like this would come out.
The races of the Milky Way (probably Reapers, Geth and Quarians) came to Andromeda after the Reaper War centuries before the Initiative and there was an incident where both races and the Golden Worlds of the Heleus Cluster were devastated. To save the survivors of the incident and to build up a stable population, the Reapers created a kind of biorobot adapted to the conditions prevailing in Helius, into which the souls of the dying could be uploaded. This would also explain the striking similarity in body structure between Quatians, Geth and Angara. I was always surprised that in ME Andromeda nobody makes the comparison and says "Funny, the Angara look like Quatians only with different heads", but there must be a reason why there are no Quarians in the Andromeda game and yes, I know about the novel, but that's not what I mean.
Then the "good" Reapers created the Remnants to terraform the worlds for the incoming Initiative.
Why then no one is there to greet the incoming Initiative and say "Hey, nice of you to show up too." might be one of the great mysteries of the upcoming game.
So it could well end up being something like that as a story, but as already written, I hope it doesn't come to something like that, but we'll know for sure at some point. However, such mind games are still interesting.
The Jardaan are basically Celestials.
The entire universe is their farm.
Jk, I'll watch the video later.
The Marvel Effect Universe incoming.
Captain Shepard theory confirmed!
@@MrHulthen Hmm...sounds plausible.
It will be like Interstellar (2014) - the mysterious voice you were chasing was your loving daddy all along :D
They'd be crazy to include Andromeda's ideas in any way, shape, or form. They know everybody hated that game and they know hinting that Liara is still focusing on Shephard is the thing that peaked everyone's interest.
pretty much this whole theory ive had for years. it would explain soo much and it makes near perfect sense. i'm quite surprised no one has really brought it up yet.
The overall idea is interesting, but like every rough draft, it probably needs some work on the details. An idea like this (and going back to the Unreal Engine) could make the Ryder family worth revisiting while moving the Milky Way narrative forward as well. Considering that 'cycles' happen 50k years apart, it's certainly possible that another species got out and colonized Andromeda (with or without the use of a relay). Maybe they had the technology to go back at any point (building their own relay), but chose to cut themselves off, fearing they'd be pursued. The Reapers were obsessed with the Milky Way and likely had no interest in pursuing anything that left between each cycle. It'd be a waste of energy and resources. The 'benefactor' may have even predicted that.
I always find the rocky skin of the kett similar to the rocky ships of the collectors.
Maybe they were an experiment run by the reapers but that is a far grasp.
If anyone other than liara was shown in trailer we could have some better assumption about what year it is. Although, I think that it is only a few years after reaper war because otherwise all reapers would have been salavged due to their high value.
That's an awesome theory! Subscribed. keep them coming :)
The Jaardans could be a race that lived in or before Protheans era and escaped from the Milky Way to save themself for a possible Reaper invasion, just like the Initiative, plus, the fact that the Angara is a "new" race with not even 1000 years of history must have a meaning and a connection.
Got a theory/idea about the Quarians basically if you manage to to get the Quarians and the Geth to work together against the Reapers Tali will mention how in just a few years the Quarians will be able to safely live outside their suits so it's a possibility we could see Quarians outside their suits since the next Mass Effect game take place in the future I'm hoping this becomes a reality what's ure opinion?
i forgot how fucking stunning the teaser looked, this will be one insane game
This is a great theory for a novel but in the context of a game I think giving all that tech to the player faction will have huge power scale issues. That's why I think a modified version of Destroy will be cannon. It makes the inevitable tech spike something on the horizon because they will have to learn Reaper tech from highly damaged Reaper remains.
Hmm...it does sound plausible.
It will be like Interstellar (2014) - the mysterious voice you were chasing was your loving daddy all along :D
I think it’s more plausible that the leviathans left to the andromeda and they are considered the remnants trying not to make the same mistakes they made in the Milky Way with the reapers. They could have also created the scourge to protect themselves further from the reaper attacks. Maybe even taking some early Protheans with them before the next harvest, then altering them to survive in the new climates making them look much like the Angara.
I am nearly 100% surw that the jardaan are somehow connected to the Milky Way the weapons of the Remnant were significantly similar to the raybeam of the reapers, but on a much smaller scale.
Maybe Jardaan are a race from a previous cycle or cycles before ours.
If you can play as Sheperd with the Reaper behind them as a Reaper Overlord, I want Shep to have the power to ASSUME DIRECT OF THIS KETT!
My only thought is that when the Andromeda initiative took off the worlds they were heading to were already habitable, it seems like the remnant Tech and the terraforming tech were already established unknowingly to those from the milky way prior to their departure, and then was disrupted before their 600-year journey. So unless something caused the world's to change after the potential arrival of the milky way species (prior to the Andromeda initiative) then I don't see this theory working.
Hope that made sense. lol
My biggest problem with the Milky Way Galaxy inhabitants getting to Andromeda via Mass Effect Relays that they now know how to build via the acquisition of Reaper Tech is that Mass Effect Relays have ins and outs. For example in every ME game when you enter a relay you exit from another relay. So even if the inhabitants of the Milky Way Galaxy learned Reaper Tech and can now build these Relays they would still FIRST have to travel to Andromeda physically to place another Relay on that end so that this type of traveling can happen. So once again how did they get to Andromeda in the first place?
I hope they're looking for Shepherd Shepard is alive View if you have all the war assets at the end of the destroy ending on the you see him taking a breath so he must be alive somewhere in the Milky Way
Yes he is alive, but if this theory is right than it takes place around the same time Andromeda does, and humans can't live that long.
They didn't go to Heleus per accident, they specifically went there because the Geth had scouted the area.
Shepard vs the kett would the most awesome thing ever!
Good point, it’s definitely possible everything you said!
I hope mass effect 4 does somehow tie in Andromeda in some way. But I wouldn't be surprised if they retcon Andromeda all together like it never happened
That's also a possibility
They don't even have to retcon Andromeda, just leave it as it's own stand alone story arc.
Not following up on the leviathans, after all the build up in ME:3, as the next chapter for the Milky way is a crime against good and decent creative writing imo.
I always thought that those who created the Angara were synthetic and created organic life. Opposite to the Geth. That's why the Geth were watching them. I also thought that with the Reaper tech no matter the ending, the milky way raced would build their own mass relays. And since Liara knows about the Andromeda initiative, that link is possible. But then, a human stopped the Arcon, so maybe that race of beings wants to invade the milky way and turn everyone. Hence the need for a second Lazaris project and Shepherd's return. Many options really.
Okay so here's the deal with the deal. They would develop a new tech that would link the two. The Jardaan are different and are the enemies of the Kett for some reason and Shepard being The Jesus Allegory, would somehow broker peace between the two, while the pathfinder watches impotently and thinking where it all went wrong.
What are the chances they basically make 3 different games to coincide with the 3 endings. I just really wonder how they’re going to implement having all the different options throughout the series or if they are gonna establish a true canon. I’m optimistically skeptical until we know for sure but whatever they do I just hope they have good writers
The way I see it it is that a Reaper sentinel left in dark space will ally with the Kett empire to assault both galaxies at the same time., and create a new way of exaltation- indoctrination.( New types of enemies).
The Jardaan seem to do the opposite of what the Reapers do, which make the Angara equivalent to the keepers.
Sheppard could survive the impact due to Lazarus project enchancements.
Unlikely, the purpose of the Reapers is to preserve life and prevent it from being wiped out by AI, Kett on the other hand turn anything they deem usefull into more Kett and wipe out the rest, if there are Reapers somewhere, Kett are going to be harvested. Yes Shepard could survive the impact, but not 634 years, humans can't live that long.
I always got the impression that the Jardaan and Opposition events took place well before the 600 year time frame? It'd be a stretch to think that the Milky Way races would be able to immediately construct an intergalactic mass relay, or even that they'd prioritize something like that. Sure they'd have more immediate concerns in the Milky Way? To my thinking, any concern the MW would have for the A-Initiative would be decades, if not centuries, out from the ending of ME3.
I'd really rather see the Andromeda Galaxy remain as independent from the Milky Way as possible, as least, in the most recent MW cycle. Perhaps the Jardaan could be a similar 'Andromeda Initiative' from a previous cycle.
But anything that brings back Cmdr Shepard just sounds like terrible, terrible writing. I get it, Shepard is popular. Shepard is one of the all time great video game protagonists. But Shepard is finished. Let them be spoken of in admiration and hero worship in future ME titles, but leave it at that.
I like the idea of the jardaan being a previous cycles andromeda initiative, a lot actually.
Regarding Shepard… I don’t know. If it takes place well into the future I might be okay with a resurrected shep that is new, a blank slate. Having the entire galaxy think they know of you/your legend, even liara, and being all “that’s not me” could be an interesting line to explore, but it would have to walk one hell of a tightrope to end up being done well.
For all the bad rep it has, I do still wish that BioWare would continue with the andromedas game(s), as while it was rough in spots, it still has a lot of potential imo.
I have A Feeling that is he planet in the teaser is either the batarian homeworld or Rannoch
I know the name of the series is "Mass Effect" but I would like to see the Milky Way explore non-reaper/non-mass effect technology paths. Sovereign himself told Shepherd, that the Mass Effect technology was a mechanism to control the races development along lines the Reapers wanted.
Even with the Reapers defeated, using their tech is a continuation of their shackles. How many other paths were closed or ignored because the 'easy, readymade tech' was available?
Maybe there is a reason the Reapers did what they did. Leviathan speaks of the Milky Way as if it's become an experiment, but doesn't know for what purpose.
What if it was to create some one like Shepherd?
Idk if this has been posited yet but I have a theory that the plots gonna revolve around the ending of ME3 or lack thereof as we don't really know which one is canon, just that one of them isn't. So my guess is that we're going to be playing as a new character who probably resides in the andromeda Galaxy who will act as a sort of andromeda recap/re introduction to that Galaxy. Then bam. Shit hits the fan basically and the Galaxy is going crazy (think storms like andromeda way worse though, like living on venus) but then the player and said crew find out that the milky way Galaxy is actually causing this. How so? Well basically both centres of the respective Galaxies are on a collision course with each other due to the actions of shepards choice in ME3. Then as the player learns about the impending threat they meet liara and others who's been trying to track down Shep. They inform the player about shepards involvement and how they plan to find him. The plot would then more or less resolve with the player discovering what happened to Shep & what he/she did. Ends on player learning said information and how to stop it (or how they can't..... *cue evil shep controling the reapers twist*)
Edit: seriously though it'd be pretty sweet if it ends on Shep basically becoming the new series antagonist.
It would certainly be an interesting twist, but if the Jardaan were ex-Milkyway, I am not certain about the look of the Angaren. If creating a race to "look after" the Helios sector for the incoming Arks was there goal (which to my mind wouls be logical
Then why the very new look? Surely the blueprint for the Angaren would be Milkyway based and adjusted for the prevailing environments in Andromeda.
True! Maybe gene splicing between species? :D
Given the timeline is 600 years approx, it would be a stretch to suggest natural evolution took a hand .... plus the Angaren Mk 653 was in one of the pods they found.
One item that does spark my interest is the Andromeda mission finding the Mega-Relay and high-tailing it back to Earth to warn folks. If Shepard did the "control/merge ending" and a little bit of Reaper tech and he/she's back in person .. un-doctrinated because he/she is in charge .... he/she has died before .... that would work...
If the destroy ending, maybe the advance team gets back to warn Earth about the Kett, who sabotaged some of the tech causing the clouds of nasty in Helios, and Shepard heads up a Kett swatting team when they turn up in the Milkyway.
Sorry ... too long winded. I can't wait for ME 4!!!
@@MrHulthen Possible, but other than the Angaren, no other Helios species of note exsist to gene-splice with, so splice with what?
I still remember Tali said Geth could be everywhere as long theres power to contain it, Since Legion share his ability to other Geth it makes his data is scattered around Geth with the ability to share consensus Legion remnant possible to rebuilt his system in Other Geth body
There are several problems with that hypothesis. The Kett don't recognize the Milky Way people, the remnant tech is too different from Milky Way tech, in ME: Andromeda it is stated that the Andromeda Initiative wasn't getting any signals from the Milky Way since around the time of the Reapers' attack. Imo, it is more plausible that they will forget the slides at the end of ME3 and show the galaxy slowly recovering and/or falling into barbarism. At least, that is what i hope. And then they finally implement the "No Man's Sky" procedural planet exploration they wished for ME:Andromeda.
Sorry about the long comment but this is my own theory about the trailer, I've seen the trailer and it seems like they chose the destroy ending, reason being is there aren't any reapers alive in the trailer or poster, to add the destroy ending had Shepard breath in, Liara finding the com link to his/her helmet proves they're alive, 3rd Liara doesn't have green eyes so the only other way all this leads to is shep chose red, this helps narratively too as when the player chose red we see the Normandy land on a planet full of vegetation, but no EDI Liara in the trailer doesn't have the VI following her which means that she's not the information broker any more either, but we know in Andromeda there are plenty of worlds like it, maybe after a bit the efforts in that game someone finds the wreck of the Normandy if not told about it by the crew, eventually with remnant tech they can finally get back to the citadel and find out what happened to Shepard.
I'm guessing that they are likely going to play off the SAM concept of AI regarding ME:A. The Geth are recreated, but they are part of the Quarians in a symbiotic relationship.
If I'm understanding what you said correct(?), then I'm finding it rather hard to believe that *if* the made it there prior to the Arks arrivals why they didn't leave some kind of' message' for the Arks to find
I have no doubt about it that in ME4 we're going to play as Ryder or Liara most likely.
Might even a new character if possible.
I have no idea how I missed this video, but I'm glad I saw this right now. And heck I'm excited, it's a really good theory!
Maybe it was an unknown race that went to Andromeda... If we accept destroy ending as canon, Geth presence in Andromeda sounds highly unlikely though.
Time and space are interlinked heavily. What could take 600 for one person could only take a few days for another depending on speed. But would such a massive mass relay have draw backs? Or does dark energy play a role in both time and space travel? Maybe dark energy mixes with the super mass relay and tears a hole in space time.
I came up with these hypothesis by my own after i played andromeda years ago. And the comic about Kandros and the Andromeda books even enforce that. But these theory crumble when asking question about the benefactor. When the benefactor stayed in the Milky Way, and meridian is a gate, there is no reason to kill Jien Garson and sabotage the mission. The Kett are no match for a Milky Way with Reaper or Jaerdan Tech. Except Andromeda his hosting a new power even more powerfull than Reaper and Jaerdan tech all together. And if the benefactor just travel with the iniative to andromeda and just killed Garson to hide his identity, the benefactor just becomes you typical criminal mastermind who wants to survive the reaper by fleeing into andromeda. Nothing more. And let's not forget about the Kett/archon who does'nt know anything about the Milky Way races before their arrival.
This is one of the greatest theories! Was thinking about very similar thing the other day :)
I don't think we'll see Shepard again, but who knows.
It could be that after the reapers controled by shepard had finished rebuilding the galaxy that the shepard then decides to shut down every reaper inhabiting the galaxy 🤔
All good with Milky Way folks having tech to build mass relays and I like where you go with this, except for one MAJOR issue. There is no mass relay in the Andromeda galaxy to allow it to happen. Mass effect relays require pairs, and the only way that a relay ends up in Andromeda is if someone (Initiative unknowingly working for the benefactor Starchild) builds it. Bioware could pull some time dilation "magic" if they like, but the "relay current Milky Way folks to Andromeda and they are already there" is not possible without major Bioware "magic".
There is one theory tho.. in the mass effect 3 ending before you choose 1 of the 3 endings, the glowing kid says that even tho we choose to destroy the peace wont last. Soon your childrens children will create synthethics of theyre own.. You think maybe thats where they continue from?
I hadn't thought of the control ending maybe being an easier ending to go with to write Shepard into the game. As I just assumed it would be destroy cause that is what most people picked I think. Would be fun if Shepard was a "God" in a way, and everyone speaks of his deed and how he attained "godhood" and watches over them through Reapers.
I'd love for Control to be considered canon. It would also "save" the races that are shapen into Reaper form, and Shepard could have become the very thing he/she swore to destroy, but a benevolent version
Control imposes lots of limitations for the story because they MUST explain what’s up with the Reaper fleet.
But Destroy provides a clean sheet for ANY story, and already sets up many smaller potential conflicts. Also that’s the more popular ending.
That’s why Destroy is the more likely. But if they have an amazing story idea with the control ending, then go for it.
Control doesn't work. Reaper bodyguards with Shepard ai overlord leaves no room for conflict. Synthesis also leaves no room for conflict. Can't have strong friends like the Reapers and write a compelling story.
@@nunya_bizniz How about this?
Shepard’s reaper fleet has vanished 100 years ago, and nobody knows what happened. Then later in the game/sequel, we learn they are fighting a new enemy outside the galaxy… and losing.
@@juzoli if the Reapers are losing, then a squad of squishy humanoids have no place. They only overcame the Reapers due to a deus ex. Conventional warfare is a 100% loss to the Reapers as shown in the refusal ending. Control and synthesis just can't work for a sequel.
a very intriguing analysis. This would be a very good point for anyone hoping for shepard's survival
I believe The races of milky way have unlocked the citadel mass relay.
very good theory
Good video as always.
It is definitely a good possibility and it is definitely plausible, it would make for a very interesting and engaging story.
This theory is the only way I see shepard cone back.... so if he uploaded himself maybe with the new download knowledge they can bring him back
It's Mine blowing because with the ending of mass effect having to be canon what ever choice you made, unless BIOWARE change it and say only the destroy ending was canon. Because they would have to build a massive Shepard reaper if you pick that choice and I don't think it would work Hope the indoctrinated theory might fit in and they have to use that theory /Judgement to please the hardcore fans but also the sacking of so many BIOWARE staff such as Casey hadson etc would force BIOWARE to obtain the theory other wise it may be bad
Milky Way buddies could not have traveled to Andromeda by Mass Relay because you'd need to build a connected relay in Andromeda first. You would have to travel there the hard way first, most likely carrying a big load of quantum entangled particles paired to the ones that will go inside the MW relay.
That may have already happened, in which case the Andromeda pals could build a relay with instructions from their MW buddies. It's an interesting theory for the plot of the next game.
In terms of the geth the telescope usage is implied that they were using it to view the reapers in dark space before the telescope was used by the andromeda initiative so I don’t think they went to andromeda also the 600 year difference wouldn’t work unless time travel came into play but that would ruin the story personally
well regardless of ending an intergalactic relay actually makes sense, over the course of ME 3 what is essentially a Citadel size mass effect core is constructed, so it, or parts to it are already there in Earth orbit, once the relay network is rebuilt, something would have to be done with it to prevent it from being used as a weapon (again), so using it as a mass relay would work, but at least initially, it'd be 1 way, there could have been plans for the Nexus and the Arks to eventually be converted to an Andromeda version of the relay and citadel network. As for what happened to these early arrivals in that 600 yrs, they could at least initially been working on the return relay.
Not a bad theory, but I suspect that the Jardaans are the apex race or some form of extreme intelligence. And that ME 4 will be about preparing for their inevitable invasion.. A part of that preparation is bringing back Shepard.
I think since Liara is going to be there, if Shepard isn't, I'm going to cry.
That is an interesting theory but I doubt it would be the Kett (or at least only the Kett). One tiny though cutting edge force of maybe 100k milky way people were able to cause significant difficulties to the Kett. ANd the angara a much less advanced race were able to hold them off for 80 years. I can't imagine the Kett even if it was their entire species invading would give the milky way any noticeable trouble especially after 600+ years of added tech advancement plus reaper tech/reapers themselves. I feel like they would be at most like the Batarian Hegemony which is a minor power relatively easily crushed.
The Kett we see are expedition fleet, and Archon is just some rogue general. the difficulty for the Kett is the environment, Scourge makes transportation difficult, and can be used to hide things even planets like Aya. They were in foreign hostile environment with cut communications and no supply lines, but they are not weak by any means they managed to exalt many species which means they wiped out entire civilizations. But you are correct, there is no way they could handle entire Milky way which had centuries with access to Reaper tech. I think the threat could be whoever created the scourge
I like to think that the indoctrination theory is true and in mass effect 4 we wake up at the Destroy ending, get up and drag ourselves into the beam(and/or call for backup) fight your way(with the army) activate the crucible and kill the reapers. then the new game starts. "sheps hurt really bad, lets put him in cryo." boom there we go.
The best way to deal with the ending is pretend it did not happen. n fact what I think what Mass effect needs is a major rewrite of the 2nd and 3rd game. Lots of people think the Star child god coming out of the machine to give you three bad choices for no real reason was where the game failed but I think it started much earlier than that. Finding out about and building the crucible should have been the plot to Mass effect 2. Killing Shepard and forcing him to work with a terrorist organization was a terrible idea. In fact Cerberus should have been the main villains of the 2nd game looking for the same information you have with an idea to control the reapers with an explanation for why they think it is possible. In the third game the control idea just came out of nowhere. Have Shepard and crew find out everything needed to build it and how it could be used as a weapon against the Reapers. Then the third game could be mostly the same. Fighting the reapers across the galaxy while the superweapon is built. Only the end now is it actually works and is a good superweapon against the reapers. Have the galaxy win because they win not because a machine god takes pity on them.
Evan Jones, In February last year, the developers of the trilogy disproved this theory.
The trailer showed a destroyed mass relay, unless something destroyed it, maybe it's not a lot of years after ME3.
It could be possible that both Andromeda and the milky way could possibly intertwine in some way where they both be facing a new threat that would require both Andromeda and the milky way to unite and find Shepard which could possibly also introduce the character we could possibly be playing as to help In the search for Shepard
I am not gona lie it sounds cool.
The tease has been removed from all official source aside from Facebook
Meridian could be the Dyson spear legion was talking about
Of Course the Andromeda Galaxy will still exist, and the AI may even get a passing mention. I also have no doubt that there will be a few little Easter Eggs scattered around, to give the Androphiles warm fuzzies when they find them. People like me, who have tried to scrub MEA from our consciousness, will just have to miss out.
But that's about it.
To some extent, any new game must be playable on it's own, but in point of fact given the recent release of the Legendary Edition, Bioware would be quite happy with the idea that people should play through the OT before tackling ME4.
Even if it's a case of:
Play ME4
Then go back and Play 1-3 to get context,
Then play ME4 again.
But they're simply not going to do ANYTHING that presumes, requires, or even suggests at playing Andromeda.
It doesn't matter how many times people post, telling us how much they love Andromeda, they are in a small minority.
The game failed. Critically, Commercially, and with most fans.
I just find it bizarre that people are so quick to dismiss the obvious links to Shepard and the OT,
but then jump at the chance to spin some glob about Andromeda
Andromeda is dead, and Bioware would prefer you just forget it existed.
Let's not forget about the unlimited wealth, and power of the Shadow Broker, who was looking for ways to either defeat, or escape the Reaper Invasion prior to Liara taking over.
You mean that Benefactor is a old Shadow Broker?
Maybe the Shadow Broker ,prior to Liara, was already starting to build a mass relay to Andromeda with the help of the Geth in order to escape the Reaper Invasion.
Do you think the Milky Way races could be the Jardaan?
I think it’s possible the Jardaan could be the race that coexisted with the leviathans in the cave paintings you see in the leviathan DLC.
Maybe they left the Milky Way once the Reapers turned on them and moved to Andromeda as they would’ve likely been advanced enough and left the leviathans behind as an act of revenge. 🤔
That would be an awesome and, imo, the best way of linking the two universes
I like this theory, very interesting! I always thought it was a bit peculiar how SAM was able to decipher the remnant language.
This is such a great theory, I honestly would've bought it if I believed there was any planning ahead done post ME3 development. Andromeda lost most if not all immersive attention to detail the OG trilogy had in terms of worldbuilding to a degree it couldn't even get the classic aliens right. I don't think they planned for this, but I'm all here for it if that's what they decide to go with with ME4
I think that 600 years is not enough time for this to happen. (Jardaan coming from the milky way building that network and then just leave? Why?) There could be a bridge to Andromeda of course... I mean... 600 years would make liara 700 years old which would make her enter her matriarch years. Even Wrex could still be alive.. considering we don't actually know how old they get? Usually Krogan die of unnatural causes right?
But aside from there possibly being a bridge between the galaxies... it's imho way too early to get into detailed theories.
This theory could be possible, but what BioWare supposed to do with drastically improved technology? Will Milky Way races develop much deadly and sophisticated guns, will they cure diseases and even death? :) If so, that would be different game. Not a ME4, but rather ME-much-changed-setting.
The fact that the Jaardan changed the climate of the planets in Adromeda to make them habitable probably means they weren't local they came from somewhere else and went there to settle down but It's possible they were local and they were fighting the effect of the scourge. And there is another mistery they said the scourge was artificial so how it was originated? If you think about it Andromeda contains a lot of interesting misteries. I wouldn't be opposed to a link to Andromeda in the ME 4 storyline but It must be done well and It's not easy.
Scourge is a weapon used against Jardaan, they weren't building vaults to fight the scourge, the scourge was deployed to destroy them after they made those vaults. The mystery isn't where the scourge came from, but who made it. I've found some more hidden logs on Khi thasira which mention Vaults being constructed on the chosen planets, they picked those worlds for some unknown reason.
the reapers, controlled by Shepard, left the milky way and became The Jardaan... a group dedicated to the restoration and ressurection of species that drove themselves into extinction.
1. In Control, Shepard said that he would become the Guardian and Defender of the Milky Way. In your opinion, will he abandon everyone in the Milky Way?;
2. In Andromeda there is information that the Jardaan arrived in Andromeda 3500 years ago.
That is, before the events of ME3.