@@Godbluffer Actually these glasses are my specific listening glasses. I've tested headphones that are very sensitive to seal with these glasses by using in-ear mics and there's no effect. With other glasses that have thicker arms, you do get an effect.
320kbps and v0 are literally fine and we have the measurements to prove it. Spotify hifi plays at 320 which is all we will ever need. Mp3 compression is far above and below the audible spectrum and has been for decades at this point. Flac and wav are fine for longterm storage but for actual listening mp3 is literally fine. The "perfectionists" are pretentious prices who need to get off the copium.
@@ChuuniKaede There was a time when an IT, Engineering and Electronics oriented magazine in Germany conducted a listening test with 'Audiophiles' when Fraunhofer came up with the mp3 algorithm. They did blind tests with Vinyl, CDs and mp3 files (128kbps if i remember correctly). through a system worth around 100K (DAC/receiver, Amp and Boxes) The results were devastating for the participants ... No one could tell with certainty which source the mp3 file was.
@@-aexc- yeah some songs are easier to tell than others. For example Daydreaming by Radiohead is easy to tell between AM and Spotify (listening on 660S - controlled by my partner so I was blind tested), but more pop stuff like Ed Sheeran it made no difference
I think plenty, but probably not the same type of “audiophile” you might find with 50 different junk devices in each of their drawers. A lot of people love high fidelity and I wouldn’t be surprised if rich people are introduced to nice quality audio items and become, technically, audiophiles. They probably lean more into speakers, but this could be a legit non-regretted option for people with enough income.
Hi, I just tried the HE-1 for as long as I wanted in a Paris store versus my hd600 connected to my mojo 2 in a very calm room. Perfect conditions thanks to the people of Son-video. I also have the hd800s, U12t, Blessing 2, Hexa and some more. My conclusions are as the measurements : more bass, less mids, more highs than neutral all in a very tasteful manner. But when I jumped to the hd600 (with neutral bass eq on mojo 2) the difference in timbral accuracy was clear. Less bass but neutral piano or bass guitar, more mids so every instrument/voice is as perfectly presented as I ever heard, less highs so normal amount of details unlike hd800s, U12t or HE-1. I am a professional pianist and I listen to basically every big categories of music genre. So for me HE-1 is excellent at a neutral/fun tuning a little like U12t for IEMs but HD600 is better for neutral sound like the Hexa. Or I could say it is a HD800s with more bass and no treble spikes. Unfortunately I found the HE-1 less confortable than the HD600 and definitely less stable if you want to do a few steps, and the cups get hot I think a little more than a closed back (due to the amplification inside the cups I heard). In conclusion I am really glad to have been able to tried it in these conditions, I really feel that I cannot go farther than mojo 2 and HD600 (for a portable solution) even if the bass boost induce harmonic distortion (I can’t hear it). It’s also the first open-back I tried while walking outside and it was a revelation, you can hear the normal sound of the environment (I live in a calm small/medium city with big parks) and the music just appear like in movie. As a user of IEMs for 20 years I really advise you to try open back outside if you are not in a very noisy city (just keep the Hexa for noisy places). Thanks you and sorry for my unperfect english, cheers from France.
I just wanted to add that I did’t felt the three blob effect as much as on the hd600 and that it was less spacious and incredibly directional as the hd800s. Also I could really be biaised AGAINST the HE-1 because if it was an upgrade for me I should have to organise my life to buy it someday 😂
I’m glad you admitted you are biased against the HE-1 in your reply. I was going to say that this sounds very much like a ‘it’s not as great as [my setup] so I won’t be buying it’ and a creative way to justify that! 😂😂😂
Thank you @Fluterra, yes I hope the fact that I stated that I could be bias gives more credit to my mini review. On the other hand I am very surprised about my unfavorable opinion of HE-1 as every reviewers love it, so I will try to understand my possible bias and more importantly explain why I think the neutrality of the HD600 is better than the Neutral/fun tuning of He-1 for me. Sorry for the long reply, I love this subject :) Everybody feel free to contradict, support, add to my reasoning.
EXPLORING MY POSSIBLE BIAS: I admitted that I could really be biased because the HE-1 is pretty damn expensive for me, but as it’s the most expensive of all headphones it also means that it’s the most common bias against it, so my mini review and everybody’s review has more chance to be equivalent in bias than for any other headphone. I also could be more biased against expensive audio gear because I already bought a 2000 dollar IEM (U12t) supposed to be one of the best to finally spend most of my time with a hundred dollar IEM (hexa). Same with HD800s and HD600. On the other hand I also could not be biased because of my motivation: I am fully determined to hear the best sound reproduction on earth as a pure hobby so I was also eager to get out of the store thinking that the HE-1 was the best for me and start thinking « how can I get it » and « how can approach it by playing a few/lot more hours with eq and target curves while developing my ear and knowledge of sound ». And as a matter of fact I never regretted or sold my gears either iems / headphones / dac-amp because I just love to play with them anytime to experiment and train with sound so my bias toward money isn’t predominant. I also could not be biased because of my practice with audio and preparation against bias: I play live music since childhood and learned to recognize instruments / chord progressions / poly-melodies / sound effects / nuances / etc from church music to Sean Paul. I listen to headphones / iems for music / games / movies either in stereo or virtualized binaural dolby digital about 5 hours a day minimum and train to recognize 3db eq on several bands with more or less success for sheer pleasure. I also know that despite this training I already fell completely wrong about sound analysis a lot so I can now listen with total freedom of judgment about what I can think or feel. As a last thought about bias, when I remember my session with the He-1, I remember feeling as a « Sherlock Holmes of sound » with a mindset of extreme pleasure of novelty, opportunity and relaxing moment and not so much about my own HD600 even if I think it sounded better at the end, because I embraced the experiment of this new headphone with total enthusiasm. In conclusion I don’t feel very biased about HE-1 and as I still remember the confort of it at 95% and the sound of it at around 70% I will now explain more my opinion about sound reproduction and confort.
ABOUT CONFORT: - FIT: He-1 was pretty confortable at first for me but it’s the first time I had to open the headband of a headphone to the maximum to fit so the lack of margin wasn’t reassuring. - WEIGHT: He-1 felt heavier than both HD600 and HD800s which isn’t a good point for me. - CUPS : The HD800s is more confortable as it doesn’t touch my ears at all. HD600 is also really confortable, more than HE-1 as I prefer the refreshing texture of it. - HEADBAND: for me HE-1 was as confortable as HD600. I wore HD800s for more than a year exclusively and it was a relief to use HD600. - CLAMP: the clamping force of HD600 is the more powerful but it’s the only way to get a good stability. - HEAT: In ten minutes I started to feel the heat push on my ears, and it was confirmed when I adjusted it that the cups were getting hotter. It could be an advantage in winter, but for pure versatility it wasn’t an advantage. In retrospective it was less hot than my sony XM4 which is a closed-back that I just retried. - MOBILITY: I really like to walk with my headphones or just lay in different positions. I think the HE-1 was around the stability of the HD800S, which means you can’t look down or up without readjusting. Walking is ok but slowly at your home. HD600 is really good, you can walk outside without fear of loosing it. It is as stable as my sony XM4 which is supposed to be a commuting headphone. - ISOLATION: As I stated before, I learned to enjoy open-back design outside as it gives my music an unparalleled movie soundtrack effect, so they are all excellent. For my confort : HE-1 : 7/10 HD800s : 8/10 HD600 : 9/10
I haven't been in a room with another person listening to music with open backs, so this video showed me how much they leak out - a small part of information this video provided
30 years ago, in the same shop, I was listening to a 1700 Francs second hand electrostatic Stax vs a 500 Fr brand new HD 600.....the Stax was so beautiful, I still remember it. But I went out with the HD 600. There is a limit to any possible dream, the Stax was too much over it. The HD 600 was of this world.
Yes, for comfort, I will give it to the HE-1 Over Aperio, but Shangri-La senior crushes both of them for comfort. I do not like the way he-1, gets very hot after a while though, due to those amps Residing in the cups. But these three headphones are magic I just need that one now on the table to do a shootout between all three 😁 i’m hoping it’s going to do the tour LOL. It looks like Sennheiser have released it in to the wild, But measuring the headphones, and tubes, I think you’re going to lose something, it’s worth having the dataset but pointless in my opinion
Except a huge number of "normal" headphones such a Koss Porta Pro or AKG K701, AKG Y50 and so on... I had both the HD650 and HD800 a few times (like 3 times each) and right now I own the LCD2 Classic. My first Audeze. I am borrowing ZMF Atrium that costs about kinda rough 3000 USD with Swedish taxes, import fees and such. Now this is a "home demo" (payed and in line waiting at the moment) and I actually think it is wild. 3000 USD would be a serious stretch and would take time for me to actually get my hands on. Mainly because of different priorities. Not impossible, but clearly less priority. We talk barely half the price of Susvara, I would say already there we talk about a pricing that is really crazy. If you are not like dirt rich, I don't think it's simply not reasonable to streatch more. HE-1 doesn't fit to your home anyway, if you don't have "real" antique furniture and a million dollar flat in a city or something like that. Probably you have a Lexus, Porsche or other very nice car before and also "everything else" pretty much. Possibly a very nice beach villa abroad and yacht. Before having all that, you have to be either crazy or stupid to get it. In my opinion. The value isn't simply there for being justified, it's like for a woman to go to the Hermés store and buy a Birkin bag. How many does that? Except Madonna and Royale families.
@@Daniel-t3u9m this is a statement piece. It’s definitely not for those people who have to think about the price, very much agreed. You should be put in 70 K into stocks and shares not into a headphone.
I still don't understand how we just can't convert GRAS measurements to B&K measurements (and the other way around) once you measure enough of the same cans on both sets. The main difference between the two rigs apparently lies in the low Bass and above 10 kHz, so unless the GRAS is displaying the readings randomly, we should be able to jump between the two sets of measurements after, oh, 25 readings, no?
We've talked at length about this before, but you need to look into what's called the headphone transfer function or "HpTF" for this to make sense - note, NOT HRTF, as that's a different thing. Basically, because the head and ears are different, many headphones will literally behave differently depending on the head that's wearing them. The same is true of the GRAS KB5000 vs the 5128 ear and cheek contours because they are effectively different 'heads'. Dr. Olive also knows this, and so I wouldn't expect Harman to run with that quick fix method for their actual research.
@@ResolveReviews Yes, I know that it's not something you can easily apply across the board, but you have two discrete measuring systems here. Is the point I missing the potential fact that headphones will react completely differently on the same two heads? Like, the treble on the GRAS will spike upwards compared to the B&K on a Hifiman can, but crater downwards on a Sennheiser one?
@@lummond Sort of yeah. Like each headphone will literally behave differently depending on its HpTF variation effects. Think of it like this. Any headphone measurement is NOT the truth about that product in all conditions, rather it is only ever the truth about that product in the given condition of being on THAT particular 'head' and ears. If you change that condition, its not just the HRTF that changes but the literal behavior of the headphone as well.
@@ResolveReviews Thanks for the rundown. I am just wondering when the B&K measurements will eventually trickle down to stuff like AutoEQ so we can potentially "hear the hear the difference" and figured you'd be able to get a transfer-ish function once you had enough samples. Cheers.
@@lummond You'll have to ask Jaako, but I'd be surprised if it's not on the way. Although I think you're missing the point slightly. No target curve is perfect for everyone. Not even Harman. That's based on a statistical model and DF+slope is made to be a convenient reference point. The GRAS system still does a pretty good job at simulating a human. What Andrew just described, and what we see when comparing GRAS and B%K data, underlines the fact that headphones can behave very differently on different people's heads. So if you're listening to an EQ made to a certain common target, you're NEVER hearing exactly the same thing as someone else. If you want to hear something they way it sounded on the test rig you need to figure out a transfer function for this one particular headphone going from the test rig to your ears and brain. This is basically the same thing as trying to find an elegant way of converting GRAS data to B&K data. Except even worse. So just use different rigs and targets for what they're meant for; points of approximate common reference. The differences between them, and how they perceive "neutralness" isn't actually that interesting.
Finally, a reviewer willing to say, "Yeah, it's good, but it's not 'blow my mind' good," about the HE-1's. I need to listen to these one day, and compare them to my EQ'd Sundara's.
Really wish you guys would do the full suite of measurements like tyll used to do. Frequency response is just one dimension of performance. Distortion and square waves give so much info. Waterfall charts would also be amazing to see
There's a common misconception about square wave and CSD (waterfall) that it provides additional information in headphones, however those are just worse ways of looking at the same thing because headphones are generally minimum phase devices. We've done several videos on this but I suggest watching the 10 stages of reading headphone measurements one linked in the description of this video for that explanation.
I've always wanted to hear what top quality audio sounds like. Then I suddenly find out there's a channel based 2 hrs from me that does it. Maybe I should attempt investing in that stuff. But first off, I'd need a good reliable site to buy unadulterated music files.
@gibgun it doesn't. Overall I wouldn't say he1 has crazy timbre though. It's a bit rich and vivid of what I would call "realistic timbre" but the detail and texture jump alone will make it sound significantly more real in general than 600/58x
When I see the frequency response measurement of a super expensive, high-end headphone, I frequently imagine there's a totally overlooked, relatively affordable headphone out there that measures practically identically. I imagine this one guy who's been trying to convince people it's awesome but no one listens to him and that the other people that own it aren't discerning enough to realise how good it is. Yes, I realise that a frequency response doesn't tell the whole story when it comes to a headphone's performance, but at the same time I also acknowledge that not every measurement of a headphone's performance, such as vanishingly low distortion will be audibly detectable. The above is just a funny little thought that pops into my head.
Haha, I've often thought that too. From my experience the Superlux HD681 could be that headphone. When amped with a bit of eq I honestly don't know how the sound could get any better. The bliss of audiophile ignorance maybe. 😂
I think the FR is a very modest characteristic, it tells you about the nature of the sound, about the accentuation of some frequencies. At least the resolution, dynamics and soundstaging are not displayed here. The FR just simplifies the choice among models by the nature of the sound (bass-heavy, neutral, bright, V-shaped, etc.). You still need to listen to the headphones for yourself to know what they sound like. For example the FR of ADX5000 headphones looks weird and bright for me, but in fact I really liked them.
Anechoic chamber isn't useful for measuring headphones. The result would be the same, since we measure at the eardrum reference point. The only difference would be with readability of THD levels, which can also be identified just by increasing SPL. That's why I did the sweep at 114dB.
That mid treble you mention thet needs to drop a little and the mids needing slightly more its funny that these cans actually measure these way because if it didn't I can actually say that I hear an ever so lightly more boosted mid treble in spotify vs apple music and a slight lack/hollowness in the mids hmm
I did this side by side AB test on an ipad with a cheap ifi uno to truthear hexa setup. I could hear that subtle change consistently. I have a feeling these music player engines have an inherent sound the way they were programmed.I say this because I find the difference in players more than even lossy vs lossless in tone. It also depends what the wasapi/asio buffer settings are and the dithering algorithm etc in the case of windows based systems. There was a day where I actually sat down comparing the ipad vs a windows jriver machine vs a custom volumio streamer going to an ifi zen signature dac vs a denafrips pontus/slow os filter and found that windows also colored the ssound as a transport more than an ipad and the volumio streamer which I would guess colored the sound less because they sounded almost indistiguishable from each other vs the warmer sounding jriver/windows source.
Subjectively they don't sound all that similar tbh. He1 have a thicker richer sound while pretty well every hifiman (hek stealth included) lean fairly lean and a bit thin in the mids (in comparison to he1)
@@tonywang6927 uh.... unless fang Bian has said that I don't think that's true. The two companies have pretty damn different house sounds that are quite consistent across their product lines
@@DaveRessler You will rather hear the difference between the players (for example, foobar and something else). Comparing mp3 and FLAC in one player, it seems to me that the FLAC has a slightly clearer bass and a feeling of airiness. But this is on an ephemeral level.
Honestly, just get he90. Being able to play with electronics and given current prices he90 will far far out compete he1 for even less money much the less similar money
no headphone should be listed for 60,000 dollars . There is no component in the actual device and the amplification / Dac system that justifies that cost...only thing that would is something other than that , which your selling , so your not really marketing the headphone itself.
Heavy R&D, new technology, low volume exclusive components, low demand, and low manufacturing volumes make costs add up. We're spoiled by the economics of scale. I would be surprised if the profit margins of the entire project are as massive as you seem to think.
@@Joelsfilmerpeople always forget about R&D cost. The reason China could make cheap stuff is not only because of them mass producing low quality stuff, it is also because they skipped R&D, copy most of not all the technologies that other companies spend a lot of money to do R&D on and combined with cheap inhumane wage for the laborers we get super cheap stuff.
@@Joelsfilmeryeah, tbh I'd bet that Sennheisers profit margins on the HE-1 are similar or less than most of their cheap products. Especially the Bluetooth earbuds
Super cool video. But I remain convinced that nobody should boost the 1-2K area if recessed. What's annoying about most Focals? The 1-2k pressure. What's absolutely obnoxious about most Stax? The 1-2k pressure, or rather insane boost. Is it a coincidence that more and more headphones that come out measure recessed at 1-2k? (at least recessed vs harman) I don't think so. Is it by accident that the HE1, the new Mezes, the Neumann NDH 20/30, and the majority of the Hifiman cans are recessed at 1-2k? I don't think so. Does it sound good when headphones are a bit recessed at 1-2k? I most definitely think so! They sound more natural, less offensive or painful, less shouty, closer to reality. I've had it with this harman thing, I think I can trust the expertise, judgement, and huge experience of the engineers working at Sennheiser, Hifiman, Meze, etc., rather than the inexperienced population that makes up the harman statistical data.
I have FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 ohms, they sound so that they cause sonic ecstasy and I cry from the incredible pleasure of listening to music. I also experienced the powerful pleasure of playing Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora with FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic MMX150 headphones. The sound is like being in a cinema with Dolby Atmos and when I got to ikran on the soaring mountains, it was an incredible soundtrack with a bunch of ikran that growled so powerfully, and when I found my ikran and flew, my emotions just flooded out and I cried with bated breath. FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic MMX150 in the game, and FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 ohms in music and cinema, for less money they can give a chic, powerful, clean, analytical sound. I never thought that I could cry from the sound, but I am extremely happy for the impressive experience. It is difficult to convey such an experience in words. But there is a problem, the iiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic MMX150 are so analytical in sound that not all games are suitable and some games have bad sound, it is better to play with ordinary headphones, such as Logitech G Pro X, Sony INZONE H3, HyperX Cloud Alpha S, they do not hear distortions and artifacts in the sounds, do not A bejeweled sound stage is heard. FiiO K9 PRO with Beyerdynamic MMX150 is only for games with good sound and a rich sound world. Hogwarts Legacy pales in sound against the background of Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora. Cyberpunk2077, Watch Dogs: Legion, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Halo Infinite, Battlefield 5 are terrible in sound, it's better to listen to them without FiiO K9 PRO, otherwise it's impossible to play. These games are bad with sounds. Far Cry 6, Forza Horizon 5, Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection, Alan Wake 2, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora sound great in FiiO K9 PRO and it's a pleasure to play. The Beyerdynamic MMX150 is 100% for games and they have specially raised the mid and high frequencies, and the low frequencies have been slightly reduced. The Beyerdynamic MMX150 in games provides excellent sound detail, all sounds that the Beyerdynamic DT 770/880/990/1770 PRO 250 ohm, Beyerdynamic MMX300 cannot provide are audible. The Beyerdynamic MMX300 is the same Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 32 ohm, only with a microphone.
A $66000 headphone and you still feed the need to EQ it. That’s like having a relationship with the most stunning blond, ever - then telling her to change the colour of her hair to ginger and put on 2 inches round her waste. If you prefer a ginger haired girl with a fuller waste, then that’s what you should shop for.
senny hd580's, sony noise cancellers xm4, mebbe shure in ear monitors for dj/ prod work too(compliment teh 580's) = me happy camper .the 57k ish chamge off of the 60k buys a motor, land plot, refurbishing land/build lil' home = me happy camper lol 60k lmao
I'm more interested in how close reasonably priced, good headphones, when paired with good equipment & EQ can get to headphones like the HE-1, Shangri-La & Aperio, if indeed they are "as good as it gets". No headphone should cost over $10k imo and asking $60,000 USD is just madness, but rich people gotta flex I guess.
Considering all the research and development and the fact that the thing is more or less hand built from exclusive materials and low volume components, I would not be surprised if the profit margin for Sennheiser is fairly small. A hundred HE-1s every year is not the last drop of decadence that brings the rapture or revolution upon us. While trickle-down economics is bullshit, trickle-down innovation is not. The luxury market has been a key source of innovation since trade first became a thing. It's how pioneers have been testing and funding innovation for thousands of years. We probably wouldn't have anti-lock breaks without cars you might have thought were so expensive that they shouldn't exist.
@@Joelsfilmer Except by the time that level of sound quality & tech trickles down from Sennheiser to the everyman, to be offered out-of-the-box with even somewhat affordable headphones, after a few decades of waiting & saving pennies and some eventual smart choices of separates like the amp & dac, I'll still be too old and deaf to hear the difference. Screw anyone who's gatekeeping good sound quality of music like this because the majority "aren't worthy yet". If you have the tech & you're a mass manufacturing capable company (which Sennheiser is) figure out a way to make it cheaper for those who want it or quit dangling it in front of us all. Because I'm not gonna hype a product I will never be able to afford, that could be made more affordable right now. They could easily make a cheaper version that sounds almost, if not exactly as good without all the flashy crap like a marble case and motorized tubes & display case lid. I don't need "bespoke" to enjoy my music. This is why I like DIY communities, small businesses like Modhouse Audio and Chi-Fi. They can get me at least 80% of the way right now for a fraction of the cost and none of the pretentiousness.
They frankly can't get all that close. Starting with someone obscenely detailed like lambda signature and throwing some realy solid source gear at it would get you a good base line to eq off of but that headphone is peaky as shit and would be a real bear to eq tbh
@@eskamobob8662 I'm saving for Modhouse Audio's upcoming "Tungsten" and I'm going to upgrade the amp and DAC whenever I can. Starting with a Fosi V3 (with spade to XLR adapter cable) and Mojo 2 for the DAC. A couple people, having heard the Tungsten reckon they prefer them over Susvara, so I can't wait to hear them.
My dad always says, “Don’t spend too much money on expensive headphones.” That’s….sound advice. I dropped my set of these headphones in the toilet and now they sound like shit!
It doesn't need to be isolated/enclosed for FR measurements. For distortion it would, as you're measuring incredibly small signal components which external noise would obscure, but for just frequency response measurements, external noise isn't an issue in most cases. It'll usually be at 30-40dB vs the roughly 90dB headphones are usually tested at. So if it was say 50dB lower than the test signal, that'd mean noise is at most 0.31% of the total signal and would only be able to alter the measured value by 0.03dB
Love how Andrew still feels the need to want to eq the shit out of even the HE1......
Perhaps because he kept his glasses on, which could actually be worse for seal than his beard.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34M Depends on the headphones.
@@GH0STST4RSCR34MMost are okay, but some lose all bass and kinda ruin the sound.
@@Godbluffer Actually these glasses are my specific listening glasses. I've tested headphones that are very sensitive to seal with these glasses by using in-ear mics and there's no effect. With other glasses that have thicker arms, you do get an effect.
@@ResolveReviews What model and brand are those glasses? I want to have listening glasses.
I hope at least one perfectionist lost their shit watching Andrew testing the HE-1 with Spotify. :D
320kbps and v0 are literally fine and we have the measurements to prove it. Spotify hifi plays at 320 which is all we will ever need. Mp3 compression is far above and below the audible spectrum and has been for decades at this point. Flac and wav are fine for longterm storage but for actual listening mp3 is literally fine.
The "perfectionists" are pretentious prices who need to get off the copium.
@@ChuuniKaede There was a time when an IT, Engineering and Electronics oriented magazine in Germany conducted a listening test with 'Audiophiles' when Fraunhofer came up with the mp3 algorithm. They did blind tests with Vinyl, CDs and mp3 files (128kbps if i remember correctly). through a system worth around 100K (DAC/receiver, Amp and Boxes) The results were devastating for the participants ... No one could tell with certainty which source the mp3 file was.
@@ChuuniKaedesome people can tell the difference between 320k and 44.1/16 flac (not me) but even then they really need to concentrate
@@-aexc- yeah some songs are easier to tell than others. For example Daydreaming by Radiohead is easy to tell between AM and Spotify (listening on 660S - controlled by my partner so I was blind tested), but more pop stuff like Ed Sheeran it made no difference
@@ChuuniKaede this has too many likes for how bad a take it is
I just get to wonder how many actual audiophiles and not just some ultra rich people, buy at this level of headphone set.
I think plenty, but probably not the same type of “audiophile” you might find with 50 different junk devices in each of their drawers.
A lot of people love high fidelity and I wouldn’t be surprised if rich people are introduced to nice quality audio items and become, technically, audiophiles. They probably lean more into speakers, but this could be a legit non-regretted option for people with enough income.
Yeah technically compared to ultra high end speakers the HE-1 is pretty affordable
There are a lot of pretty rich audiophiles around mostly older generations
@@TheVeganVicarany experience with TAD?
They'll probably go the smarter route and build a system that can outperform he-1 for much less
Hi, I just tried the HE-1 for as long as I wanted in a Paris store versus my hd600 connected to my mojo 2 in a very calm room. Perfect conditions thanks to the people of Son-video. I also have the hd800s, U12t, Blessing 2, Hexa and some more.
My conclusions are as the measurements : more bass, less mids, more highs than neutral all in a very tasteful manner. But when I jumped to the hd600 (with neutral bass eq on mojo 2) the difference in timbral accuracy was clear. Less bass but neutral piano or bass guitar, more mids so every instrument/voice is as perfectly presented as I ever heard, less highs so normal amount of details unlike hd800s, U12t or HE-1. I am a professional pianist and I listen to basically every big categories of music genre.
So for me HE-1 is excellent at a neutral/fun tuning a little like U12t for IEMs but HD600 is better for neutral sound like the Hexa. Or I could say it is a HD800s with more bass and no treble spikes.
Unfortunately I found the HE-1 less confortable than the HD600 and definitely less stable if you want to do a few steps, and the cups get hot I think a little more than a closed back (due to the amplification inside the cups I heard).
In conclusion I am really glad to have been able to tried it in these conditions, I really feel that I cannot go farther than mojo 2 and HD600 (for a portable solution) even if the bass boost induce harmonic distortion (I can’t hear it). It’s also the first open-back I tried while walking outside and it was a revelation, you can hear the normal sound of the environment (I live in a calm small/medium city with big parks) and the music just appear like in movie. As a user of IEMs for 20 years I really advise you to try open back outside if you are not in a very noisy city (just keep the Hexa for noisy places).
Thanks you and sorry for my unperfect english, cheers from France.
I just wanted to add that I did’t felt the three blob effect as much as on the hd600 and that it was less spacious and incredibly directional as the hd800s. Also I could really be biaised AGAINST the HE-1 because if it was an upgrade for me I should have to organise my life to buy it someday 😂
I’m glad you admitted you are biased against the HE-1 in your reply. I was going to say that this sounds very much like a ‘it’s not as great as [my setup] so I won’t be buying it’ and a creative way to justify that! 😂😂😂
Thank you @Fluterra, yes I hope the fact that I stated that I could be bias gives more credit to my mini review.
On the other hand I am very surprised about my unfavorable opinion of HE-1 as every reviewers love it, so I will try to understand my possible bias and more importantly explain why I think the neutrality of the HD600 is better than the Neutral/fun tuning of He-1 for me.
Sorry for the long reply, I love this subject :) Everybody feel free to contradict, support, add to my reasoning.
EXPLORING MY POSSIBLE BIAS:
I admitted that I could really be biased because the HE-1 is pretty damn expensive for me, but as it’s the most expensive of all headphones it also means that it’s the most common bias against it, so my mini review and everybody’s review has more chance to be equivalent in bias than for any other headphone.
I also could be more biased against expensive audio gear because I already bought a 2000 dollar IEM (U12t) supposed to be one of the best to finally spend most of my time with a hundred dollar IEM (hexa). Same with HD800s and HD600.
On the other hand I also could not be biased because of my motivation: I am fully determined to hear the best sound reproduction on earth as a pure hobby so I was also eager to get out of the store thinking that the HE-1 was the best for me and start thinking « how can I get it » and « how can approach it by playing a few/lot more hours with eq and target curves while developing my ear and knowledge of sound ». And as a matter of fact I never regretted or sold my gears either iems / headphones / dac-amp because I just love to play with them anytime to experiment and train with sound so my bias toward money isn’t predominant.
I also could not be biased because of my practice with audio and preparation against bias: I play live music since childhood and learned to recognize instruments / chord progressions / poly-melodies / sound effects / nuances / etc from church music to Sean Paul. I listen to headphones / iems for music / games / movies either in stereo or virtualized binaural dolby digital about 5 hours a day minimum and train to recognize 3db eq on several bands with more or less success for sheer pleasure. I also know that despite this training I already fell completely wrong about sound analysis a lot so I can now listen with total freedom of judgment about what I can think or feel.
As a last thought about bias, when I remember my session with the He-1, I remember feeling as a « Sherlock Holmes of sound » with a mindset of extreme pleasure of novelty, opportunity and relaxing moment and not so much about my own HD600 even if I think it sounded better at the end, because I embraced the experiment of this new headphone with total enthusiasm.
In conclusion I don’t feel very biased about HE-1 and as I still remember the confort of it at 95% and the sound of it at around 70% I will now explain more my opinion about sound reproduction and confort.
ABOUT CONFORT:
- FIT: He-1 was pretty confortable at first for me but it’s the first time I had to open the headband of a headphone to the maximum to fit so the lack of margin wasn’t reassuring.
- WEIGHT: He-1 felt heavier than both HD600 and HD800s which isn’t a good point for me.
- CUPS : The HD800s is more confortable as it doesn’t touch my ears at all. HD600 is also really confortable, more than HE-1 as I prefer the refreshing texture of it.
- HEADBAND: for me HE-1 was as confortable as HD600. I wore HD800s for more than a year exclusively and it was a relief to use HD600.
- CLAMP: the clamping force of HD600 is the more powerful but it’s the only way to get a good stability.
- HEAT: In ten minutes I started to feel the heat push on my ears, and it was confirmed when I adjusted it that the cups were getting hotter. It could be an advantage in winter, but for pure versatility it wasn’t an advantage. In retrospective it was less hot than my sony XM4 which is a closed-back that I just retried.
- MOBILITY: I really like to walk with my headphones or just lay in different positions. I think the HE-1 was around the stability of the HD800S, which means you can’t look down or up without readjusting. Walking is ok but slowly at your home. HD600 is really good, you can walk outside without fear of loosing it. It is as stable as my sony XM4 which is supposed to be a commuting headphone.
- ISOLATION: As I stated before, I learned to enjoy open-back design outside as it gives my music an unparalleled movie soundtrack effect, so they are all excellent.
For my confort : HE-1 : 7/10 HD800s : 8/10 HD600 : 9/10
Thanks Resolve! You handled that headphone like only Resolve would👍🏻
I'm waiting for the Resolve Audiophile products line. Audiophile Glasses, Audiophile Beard Conditioner, Audiophile Q-Tips
yessssss
And most importantly the audiophile cognac and pipe cleaners....
Big plus for making Andrew listen to Carpenter Brut. Made my day, even if it's not his cup of tea LOL
When he pulled out the spotify I immediately checked the comments to see the malding audiophiles. It was worth it.
Well done gents - that was fun to watch.
Awesome Andrew! You rock!
Really cool to see this!
I haven't been in a room with another person listening to music with open backs, so this video showed me how much they leak out - a small part of information this video provided
Good thing this ain't called the microphone show because it be hissing.
Sorry I had to
30 years ago, in the same shop, I was listening to a 1700 Francs second hand electrostatic Stax vs a 500 Fr brand new HD 600.....the Stax was so beautiful, I still remember it.
But I went out with the HD 600. There is a limit to any possible dream, the Stax was too much over it. The HD 600 was of this world.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
Yes, for comfort, I will give it to the HE-1
Over Aperio, but Shangri-La senior crushes both of them for comfort.
I do not like the way he-1, gets very hot after a while though, due to those amps Residing in the cups.
But these three headphones are magic
I just need that one now on the table to do a shootout between all three 😁 i’m hoping it’s going to do the tour LOL. It looks like Sennheiser have released it in to the wild,
But measuring the headphones, and tubes, I think you’re going to lose something, it’s worth having the dataset but pointless in my opinion
hi :)
Except a huge number of "normal" headphones such a Koss Porta Pro or AKG K701, AKG Y50 and so on... I had both the HD650 and HD800 a few times (like 3 times each) and right now I own the LCD2 Classic. My first Audeze. I am borrowing ZMF Atrium that costs about kinda rough 3000 USD with Swedish taxes, import fees and such. Now this is a "home demo" (payed and in line waiting at the moment) and I actually think it is wild. 3000 USD would be a serious stretch and would take time for me to actually get my hands on. Mainly because of different priorities. Not impossible, but clearly less priority. We talk barely half the price of Susvara, I would say already there we talk about a pricing that is really crazy. If you are not like dirt rich, I don't think it's simply not reasonable to streatch more. HE-1 doesn't fit to your home anyway, if you don't have "real" antique furniture and a million dollar flat in a city or something like that. Probably you have a Lexus, Porsche or other very nice car before and also "everything else" pretty much. Possibly a very nice beach villa abroad and yacht. Before having all that, you have to be either crazy or stupid to get it. In my opinion. The value isn't simply there for being justified, it's like for a woman to go to the Hermés store and buy a Birkin bag. How many does that? Except Madonna and Royale families.
@@Daniel-t3u9m this is a statement piece. It’s definitely not for those people who have to think about the price, very much agreed. You should be put in 70 K into stocks and shares not into a headphone.
I think you’ve made your point on file systems before but i’m probably not the only one shouting at their screen. Haha great video
I still don't understand how we just can't convert GRAS measurements to B&K measurements (and the other way around) once you measure enough of the same cans on both sets.
The main difference between the two rigs apparently lies in the low Bass and above 10 kHz, so unless the GRAS is displaying the readings randomly, we should be able to jump between the two sets of measurements after, oh, 25 readings, no?
We've talked at length about this before, but you need to look into what's called the headphone transfer function or "HpTF" for this to make sense - note, NOT HRTF, as that's a different thing. Basically, because the head and ears are different, many headphones will literally behave differently depending on the head that's wearing them. The same is true of the GRAS KB5000 vs the 5128 ear and cheek contours because they are effectively different 'heads'. Dr. Olive also knows this, and so I wouldn't expect Harman to run with that quick fix method for their actual research.
@@ResolveReviews Yes, I know that it's not something you can easily apply across the board, but you have two discrete measuring systems here. Is the point I missing the potential fact that headphones will react completely differently on the same two heads? Like, the treble on the GRAS will spike upwards compared to the B&K on a Hifiman can, but crater downwards on a Sennheiser one?
@@lummond Sort of yeah. Like each headphone will literally behave differently depending on its HpTF variation effects. Think of it like this. Any headphone measurement is NOT the truth about that product in all conditions, rather it is only ever the truth about that product in the given condition of being on THAT particular 'head' and ears. If you change that condition, its not just the HRTF that changes but the literal behavior of the headphone as well.
@@ResolveReviews Thanks for the rundown. I am just wondering when the B&K measurements will eventually trickle down to stuff like AutoEQ so we can potentially "hear the hear the difference" and figured you'd be able to get a transfer-ish function once you had enough samples. Cheers.
@@lummond You'll have to ask Jaako, but I'd be surprised if it's not on the way.
Although I think you're missing the point slightly. No target curve is perfect for everyone. Not even Harman. That's based on a statistical model and DF+slope is made to be a convenient reference point. The GRAS system still does a pretty good job at simulating a human. What Andrew just described, and what we see when comparing GRAS and B%K data, underlines the fact that headphones can behave very differently on different people's heads.
So if you're listening to an EQ made to a certain common target, you're NEVER hearing exactly the same thing as someone else. If you want to hear something they way it sounded on the test rig you need to figure out a transfer function for this one particular headphone going from the test rig to your ears and brain. This is basically the same thing as trying to find an elegant way of converting GRAS data to B&K data. Except even worse.
So just use different rigs and targets for what they're meant for; points of approximate common reference. The differences between them, and how they perceive "neutralness" isn't actually that interesting.
everyone would cry listening to Zero - Ace combat zero
Ace combat has a lot of songs that could make you cry
so this headphone makes the non lossless Spotify lossless 😅
Was pretty interesting see the process of testing headphone
Finally, a reviewer willing to say, "Yeah, it's good, but it's not 'blow my mind' good," about the HE-1's.
I need to listen to these one day, and compare them to my EQ'd Sundara's.
Without a comparison to other headphones, what does it help?
You should also maybe include TV apps... For example I use tidal on everything except my LG tv on which I have to use apple music
Really wish you guys would do the full suite of measurements like tyll used to do. Frequency response is just one dimension of performance. Distortion and square waves give so much info. Waterfall charts would also be amazing to see
There's a common misconception about square wave and CSD (waterfall) that it provides additional information in headphones, however those are just worse ways of looking at the same thing because headphones are generally minimum phase devices. We've done several videos on this but I suggest watching the 10 stages of reading headphone measurements one linked in the description of this video for that explanation.
Do not listen to Goldenone lmao @@ResolveReviews
Looks like a similar response curve to the HD 800s, with much more bass. They both have 1.5khz dip as well.
Really hope to be able to try one someday, great video as always BTW!
p.s.
What's that tube amp in the background @ 10:47 ?
Looks like an amps and sound Mogwai
@@orthosympa6993 thank you kind stranger :-)
"it sounds good...", so in such sense there is no difference to any other headphones above 200$. Thanks!
I have been loving that Tinvall Trio album on my hd800s.
Was this available at Can Jam Singapore? Will it be next year? If so, then I’m going
6:13 I disagree. Life is all about getting the perfect frequency response for your music.
Great review, thank you xx
What is the black material around the tubes and on the headphone storage case made of?
lucky man! it looks like you have the best job in the world :)
I respect Tingvall Trio choice :)
If you own the 1266 TC, it works perfect with beards and glasses. 😛
The HEADPHONE Show = ThanksMuch!
What is the black material that the headphone case is made of and the tube enclosure? I hope it’s not plastic!?
Headphone case is smoked glass. Tube sleeves are Quartz.
When are you guys measuring the T60RP Argons?
How much sound leaks from the open-back design?
do you have video on the new HarmonicDyne Zeus Elite 🙏
Should I get the he1 or the sundara?
Neither. Get qualia
I've always wanted to hear what top quality audio sounds like. Then I suddenly find out there's a channel based 2 hrs from me that does it.
Maybe I should attempt investing in that stuff. But first off, I'd need a good reliable site to buy unadulterated music files.
6:08 *"Life is all about knob feel"*
Can you share the distortion measurements for 100dB and 114dB please
What do you think of in ear microphone capsule measurements?
Obviously capsule not being deep enough affects things...
Took me 46 years to barely have a full beard. I agree and approve this intro.
I keep asking this question to get a “no”, but…
do these headphones have better timbre than the HD600/HD58X?
according to the FR, no
@@abhaykalsi158how does FR illustrate timbre
According to how I interpret DMS' sentiment, yeah, probably.
@gibgun it doesn't. Overall I wouldn't say he1 has crazy timbre though. It's a bit rich and vivid of what I would call "realistic timbre" but the detail and texture jump alone will make it sound significantly more real in general than 600/58x
When I see the frequency response measurement of a super expensive, high-end headphone, I frequently imagine there's a totally overlooked, relatively affordable headphone out there that measures practically identically. I imagine this one guy who's been trying to convince people it's awesome but no one listens to him and that the other people that own it aren't discerning enough to realise how good it is.
Yes, I realise that a frequency response doesn't tell the whole story when it comes to a headphone's performance, but at the same time I also acknowledge that not every measurement of a headphone's performance, such as vanishingly low distortion will be audibly detectable. The above is just a funny little thought that pops into my head.
Haha, I've often thought that too. From my experience the Superlux HD681 could be that headphone. When amped with a bit of eq I honestly don't know how the sound could get any better.
The bliss of audiophile ignorance maybe. 😂
I think the FR is a very modest characteristic, it tells you about the nature of the sound, about the accentuation of some frequencies. At least the resolution, dynamics and soundstaging are not displayed here. The FR just simplifies the choice among models by the nature of the sound (bass-heavy, neutral, bright, V-shaped, etc.). You still need to listen to the headphones for yourself to know what they sound like. For example the FR of ADX5000 headphones looks weird and bright for me, but in fact I really liked them.
Yeah, there are straight up better measuring headphones IN EVERY REGARD than these for $400
WHY IS THERE SO MUCH SSSSSSSSSS sound in the background?!!?!?!!?!?
why the voice of camera man sounds so familiar??
A $60k legend of a set and you guys like just measured those openbacks in not an anechoic chamber? Whaaaat! 😅
Anechoic chamber isn't useful for measuring headphones. The result would be the same, since we measure at the eardrum reference point. The only difference would be with readability of THD levels, which can also be identified just by increasing SPL. That's why I did the sweep at 114dB.
That mid treble you mention thet needs to drop a little and the mids needing slightly more its funny that these cans actually measure these way because if it didn't I can actually say that I hear an ever so lightly more boosted mid treble in spotify vs apple music and a slight lack/hollowness in the mids hmm
I did this side by side AB test on an ipad with a cheap ifi uno to truthear hexa setup. I could hear that subtle change consistently. I have a feeling these music player engines have an inherent sound the way they were programmed.I say this because I find the difference in players more than even lossy vs lossless in tone. It also depends what the wasapi/asio buffer settings are and the dithering algorithm etc in the case of windows based systems.
There was a day where I actually sat down comparing the ipad vs a windows jriver machine vs a custom volumio streamer going to an ifi zen signature dac vs a denafrips pontus/slow os filter and found that windows also colored the ssound as a transport more than an ipad and the volumio streamer which I would guess colored the sound less because they sounded almost indistiguishable from each other vs the warmer sounding jriver/windows source.
It's pretty similar to Hifiman tuning. Can check out the HEK Stealth ? That headphone have no measurements out there.
Subjectively they don't sound all that similar tbh. He1 have a thicker richer sound while pretty well every hifiman (hek stealth included) lean fairly lean and a bit thin in the mids (in comparison to he1)
That’s bc hifiman targets after senn😅
@@tonywang6927 uh.... unless fang Bian has said that I don't think that's true. The two companies have pretty damn different house sounds that are quite consistent across their product lines
You heard it here first, folks.
'Life is all about knob feel'
To what were they comparing the HE-1s? It wasn't clear to me.
Warwick Aperio
Crinacle , did you measure them?
Yeah , 5 years ago on October fest.
Does this headphone have the wall-off-sound of planars?
probably: look at the 1.5k dip and 7k bbost: thats what it does.
why spotify?
I didn't have my 24bit 96k vinyl rip .wavs on my laptop of course :)
i hope that was a joke, spotify is awful
@@nitraM321most people cannot tell the difference. Everyone else thinks they can.
@@DaveRessler Maybe on cymbal hits. Maybe. :)
@@DaveRessler You will rather hear the difference between the players (for example, foobar and something else). Comparing mp3 and FLAC in one player, it seems to me that the FLAC has a slightly clearer bass and a feeling of airiness. But this is on an ephemeral level.
Asus M16?
I hope I can afford a $60k headphone setup some day.
No you don't
A comparison with the original Orpheus would be interesting.
Honestly, just get he90. Being able to play with electronics and given current prices he90 will far far out compete he1 for even less money much the less similar money
Hello, are you using REQ-Wizard for these tests?
Dude you never take your glasses off to test? It makes a huge difference. Seems like you're never getting the intended experience.
Gotta love Snarky Puppy😌🔥
So cool seeing Andrew trying it out 😁
Sennheiser, make a 90s kitchen marble top edition.
Never have this person hold a camera again.
no headphone should be listed for 60,000 dollars . There is no component in the actual device and the amplification / Dac system that justifies that cost...only thing that would is something other than that , which your selling , so your not really marketing the headphone itself.
Heavy R&D, new technology, low volume exclusive components, low demand, and low manufacturing volumes make costs add up. We're spoiled by the economics of scale. I would be surprised if the profit margins of the entire project are as massive as you seem to think.
@@Joelsfilmerpeople always forget about R&D cost. The reason China could make cheap stuff is not only because of them mass producing low quality stuff, it is also because they skipped R&D, copy most of not all the technologies that other companies spend a lot of money to do R&D on and combined with cheap inhumane wage for the laborers we get super cheap stuff.
@@Joelsfilmeryeah, tbh I'd bet that Sennheisers profit margins on the HE-1 are similar or less than most of their cheap products. Especially the Bluetooth earbuds
heavy tech is half the cost.....half in quality, half in assundries associated with "top of the line"
Watching this in a headphones exactly 1000 times cheaper, lol ! ($60 HE400SE v2) .
.. missing that marble coffin!
I love me some knob feel
Super cool video. But I remain convinced that nobody should boost the 1-2K area if recessed. What's annoying about most Focals? The 1-2k pressure. What's absolutely obnoxious about most Stax? The 1-2k pressure, or rather insane boost. Is it a coincidence that more and more headphones that come out measure recessed at 1-2k? (at least recessed vs harman) I don't think so. Is it by accident that the HE1, the new Mezes, the Neumann NDH 20/30, and the majority of the Hifiman cans are recessed at 1-2k? I don't think so. Does it sound good when headphones are a bit recessed at 1-2k? I most definitely think so! They sound more natural, less offensive or painful, less shouty, closer to reality. I've had it with this harman thing, I think I can trust the expertise, judgement, and huge experience of the engineers working at Sennheiser, Hifiman, Meze, etc., rather than the inexperienced population that makes up the harman statistical data.
wav? its a dot wave file
The extra treble can easily be fixed with EQ
Mfw you spend 60k and still have to eq
@@mini-337 obviously they didn't spend 60k on getting a flat frequency response so of course you have to EQ.
What's the point of this headphone? Even if you wanted to buy it, you can't. You send them an email request and they just plain ignore you.
"114db, which is unbeleivably loud. That's how you damage your hearing"
*Amir from ASR has entered the chat
there are two types of Sennheiser people's
first those who buys 600 headphones for 100$
and second, just one who buys 1 for 60.000$
I have FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 ohms, they sound so that they cause sonic ecstasy and I cry from the incredible pleasure of listening to music. I also experienced the powerful pleasure of playing Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora with FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic MMX150 headphones. The sound is like being in a cinema with Dolby Atmos and when I got to ikran on the soaring mountains, it was an incredible soundtrack with a bunch of ikran that growled so powerfully, and when I found my ikran and flew, my emotions just flooded out and I cried with bated breath. FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic MMX150 in the game, and FiiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 250 ohms in music and cinema, for less money they can give a chic, powerful, clean, analytical sound. I never thought that I could cry from the sound, but I am extremely happy for the impressive experience. It is difficult to convey such an experience in words. But there is a problem, the iiO K9 PRO and Beyerdynamic MMX150 are so analytical in sound that not all games are suitable and some games have bad sound, it is better to play with ordinary headphones, such as Logitech G Pro X, Sony INZONE H3, HyperX Cloud Alpha S, they do not hear distortions and artifacts in the sounds, do not A bejeweled sound stage is heard. FiiO K9 PRO with Beyerdynamic MMX150 is only for games with good sound and a rich sound world. Hogwarts Legacy pales in sound against the background of Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora. Cyberpunk2077, Watch Dogs: Legion, Rise of the Tomb Raider, Halo Infinite, Battlefield 5 are terrible in sound, it's better to listen to them without FiiO K9 PRO, otherwise it's impossible to play. These games are bad with sounds. Far Cry 6, Forza Horizon 5, Uncharted Legacy of Thieves Collection, Alan Wake 2, Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora sound great in FiiO K9 PRO and it's a pleasure to play. The Beyerdynamic MMX150 is 100% for games and they have specially raised the mid and high frequencies, and the low frequencies have been slightly reduced. The Beyerdynamic MMX150 in games provides excellent sound detail, all sounds that the Beyerdynamic DT 770/880/990/1770 PRO 250 ohm, Beyerdynamic MMX300 cannot provide are audible. The Beyerdynamic MMX300 is the same Beyerdynamic DT 770 PRO 32 ohm, only with a microphone.
A $66000 headphone and you still feed the need to EQ it. That’s like having a relationship with the most stunning blond, ever - then telling her to change the colour of her hair to ginger and put on 2 inches round her waste. If you prefer a ginger haired girl with a fuller waste, then that’s what you should shop for.
If you ask me for 60,000 dollaroos, and don't give me a perfect straight line, I will hire an army to level your HQ. What a shame.
Android Andrew cannot cry! :-p
4:15 where the comp graph at fellas
$60,000 headphone sound system is already snake oil. you can use that money to buy high end home theater speakers.
SPOTIFY?!?!?!? IS THAT SPOTIFY ON THE LAPTOP???
So... even 60k will be flawed...
Shout out to John Mulcahy!
Shaved head looking great!
Now you look more like the testing rig😀.
Joking aside that’s a great look on you 👍
So I can just eq my beats headphone to he-10 and have a 60k headphone for 5au$
senny hd580's, sony noise cancellers xm4, mebbe shure in ear monitors for dj/ prod work too(compliment teh 580's) = me happy camper .the 57k ish chamge off of the 60k buys a motor, land plot, refurbishing land/build lil' home = me happy camper lol
60k lmao
I love headphones, but if I won these, I would exchange for cash bc that ain't fitting in my room.
How about a Rolls Royce and/or Bugatti?
I'm more interested in how close reasonably priced, good headphones, when paired with good equipment & EQ can get to headphones like the HE-1, Shangri-La & Aperio, if indeed they are "as good as it gets". No headphone should cost over $10k imo and asking $60,000 USD is just madness, but rich people gotta flex I guess.
Considering all the research and development and the fact that the thing is more or less hand built from exclusive materials and low volume components, I would not be surprised if the profit margin for Sennheiser is fairly small.
A hundred HE-1s every year is not the last drop of decadence that brings the rapture or revolution upon us.
While trickle-down economics is bullshit, trickle-down innovation is not. The luxury market has been a key source of innovation since trade first became a thing. It's how pioneers have been testing and funding innovation for thousands of years.
We probably wouldn't have anti-lock breaks without cars you might have thought were so expensive that they shouldn't exist.
@@Joelsfilmer Except by the time that level of sound quality & tech trickles down from Sennheiser to the everyman, to be offered out-of-the-box with even somewhat affordable headphones, after a few decades of waiting & saving pennies and some eventual smart choices of separates like the amp & dac, I'll still be too old and deaf to hear the difference.
Screw anyone who's gatekeeping good sound quality of music like this because the majority "aren't worthy yet". If you have the tech & you're a mass manufacturing capable company (which Sennheiser is) figure out a way to make it cheaper for those who want it or quit dangling it in front of us all. Because I'm not gonna hype a product I will never be able to afford, that could be made more affordable right now. They could easily make a cheaper version that sounds almost, if not exactly as good without all the flashy crap like a marble case and motorized tubes & display case lid. I don't need "bespoke" to enjoy my music.
This is why I like DIY communities, small businesses like Modhouse Audio and Chi-Fi. They can get me at least 80% of the way right now for a fraction of the cost and none of the pretentiousness.
They frankly can't get all that close. Starting with someone obscenely detailed like lambda signature and throwing some realy solid source gear at it would get you a good base line to eq off of but that headphone is peaky as shit and would be a real bear to eq tbh
@@eskamobob8662 I'm saving for Modhouse Audio's upcoming "Tungsten" and I'm going to upgrade the amp and DAC whenever I can. Starting with a Fosi V3 (with spade to XLR adapter cable) and Mojo 2 for the DAC. A couple people, having heard the Tungsten reckon they prefer them over Susvara, so I can't wait to hear them.
Are we ever going to hear sound samples?
All headphones are flawed. The perfect headphone should transmit the audio straight into your brain.
this is better, electro-implants yield "metallic" sound
This is the best film of the year. Easy….
Why didn't you cry?
My dad always says, “Don’t spend too much money on expensive headphones.”
That’s….sound advice.
I dropped my set of these headphones in the toilet
and now they sound like shit!
We have the same laptop
+12 with -0.2 tilt for 5128 >
Using Spotify is wild
Can someone lend a unit to oluv too?
lol
😆
this is not a proper test because the test head is not in an enclosed isolated away from environmental noises.
It doesn't need to be isolated/enclosed for FR measurements. For distortion it would, as you're measuring incredibly small signal components which external noise would obscure, but for just frequency response measurements, external noise isn't an issue in most cases. It'll usually be at 30-40dB vs the roughly 90dB headphones are usually tested at. So if it was say 50dB lower than the test signal, that'd mean noise is at most 0.31% of the total signal and would only be able to alter the measured value by 0.03dB