The new auto backup visual feature is nice but Autodesk still needs to do more. The glTF looks to be my favorite feature and I hope you do a future video about it. Do you know if / how clients can comment directly on the exported glTF model?
I am a Product Designer and Civil Designer. I've been using 3ds Max for a long time, since when it was produced by discreet. Today I have the 2020 version. I already create wonders with it from packaging to shopping malls. For me it is the best modeling software.
You may just use xrefs or proxys to shorten autoback time . No need to save whole scene in one file. Autoback timer is cute, but letting program to make autoback in separate thread in background will be better solution, but maybe it will consume more RAM. We still need a tools for working with different grids, more accurate spline trim/extend and snapping to crossed lines and keyboard shortcuts for spline editing, for example. New featuress still looks like collection of bells and whistles.
I'm so excited to try the improvements of Retopology, but no major update on the software, I was hoping the add new modifier like explosion and smoke!! It seems we are still far away from that 😁
I'm daily user (22 Years with 3D Max ) and Professional Autodesk Trainer for 3D Max - until Autodesk writes this program Correctly from scratch, which they haven't done for many years - I DON'T RECOMMEND THIS SHIT FOR ANYONE. I'm learning Rhino - and I will never go back to 3D Max - this Product should be the best in the world, but the company's lazy policy has disappointed me and I don't see any future. You want examples: 1. The model does not work with any other software. Autodesk gives you the option to export to a different format, but they have not prepared any satisfactory settings for this, only they give you the options for experimenting, thanks to which you will waste a few hours or days looking for settings that will ultimately not be good, there will always be errors in geometry and the model will always look like rubbish, the scattered elements are a standard and the lack of support in this matter deletes this program completely 2. It is not possible to 3D print exactly the model you see on the screen, because your good graphics card shows you what you have to see, but in fact, when you try to export this model to 3D print - you can smear - you will waste your time. He writes here about my 22 years of experience. It cost me a lot of nerves to get everything printed as it should look like. Forget it and prepare yourself to stress and wasted days. Autodesk supports nothing, and Nothing can help you. You like to waste your time - Work in 3D Max 3. Extremely heavy files, and corruption, Ghost objects, invisible animations and many more different kinds of suspensions even with a 48GB card and 256 RAM - The program throws, a complete crap. 4. Viewport - it's a tragedy - even the fastest computer will not make you work faster in 3D max - forget about it. Many objects and modifications will overwhelm his operational abilities because the program is badly written and nobody has changed it for over 25 years. The program is the most expensive and the worst !!! and the visual change of the icons is not a Program Update, because the package is still the same crap.
This is nice update considering we had 2022.3 update almost 3 months ago. Small correction : The new update added Sheen and Thin film to the Physical Material NOT to Arnold material which already had it in the past.
The magic of shortcuts (the only reason why blender works pretty sweet for me) impressive what 3Ds Max can do. But compared to free blender. its updates are very little and slow!
totally. i used 3dsmax for all my life and this year i decided to go full Blender and, wow. That interface...👌 is explendid. Combined with total intuitive and functional shortcuts, its really good.
I had just worked with some people on the forums to create a script to make enabling and disabling autobackup a button on the UI for any version before 2023. The week we finalized it and 2023 comes out. Crazy how the world works sometimes.
Ha I had planned to write a autobackup timer script myself. Luckily I hadn't quite got around to it. Might still be useful to have one to prompt you to save your main file though.
Yes, it really came down to too many times where I was in a meeting, went to share my screen and BAM, Max thought now was the perfect time to autosave. So I just have a button to disable it as I please and then re-enable it after. And every time I open Max, it's enabled by default, just so you don't have to worry about enabling it right away.
The retopo seems to work much better now. Best to slice the mesh first if possible, seem to get better edges that way. The new pivot options are very useful.
@@moncyber no point to auto retopo tools that only work on cubes or spheres. The retopo tools should always respect and follow collinear sharp edges. This is not the case namy times in Max
for me i like all these new features however the glTF Support format is the best for me so far , before i had to export meshes from 3ds max to blender and then export it as glb format and suffer a lot reapplying materials in blender
Still no texure atlas tools, easy animation key frame tools, vr modeling tools, updated skinning-bone tools, armature skeleton integration...ect. Been using 3dsmax for 12 years, maya for five, and I've been moving to Blender and getting used to it. It a rough learning starts but it gets easier as you go. You start to see Autodesk products fall behind the faster you use Blander.
At this rate Blender will overlap autodesk in technological advancments and capabilities. The funny part is that these were features requested in the autodesk forums decades ago. 😂
Progress is always a good thing .. but honestly, after using Max for 20 years ... i can't hide from Blender any longer, it's just winning the race for me. Max and Maya are really dragging behind. Though i do like the Autosave lol ... seeing a timer will now mean i lose a lot more work lol
I find your comment hard to believe and either 1) the common redundant "I use Blender" comment from unprofessional tribalism which has weaseled its way into 3D unfortunately as well, or 2) an honest comment from someone that simply is using 3DS Max for the wrong reasons for 20 odd years. I am going to assume it is the latter, seeing as you focus in matte painting and concept art. Both aspects I would say Max is definitely not strong in. Way I see it, each tool has its advantages and disadvantages, and you use the best tool in your arsenal for the job. For example modelling. 3DS Max was light-years ahead from Blender before these additions. After 17 years myself I find it hard to believe that if you used Max for modelling that you then found Blender being a better solution. Aside from 3DS Max being better at it, the speeds alone after so many years using said better modelling tool would multiply these strengths of Max over Blender even more. Shame to think you might actually be a pro and yet add such troll comments as the Autosave. Because the new retopology is a small addition, right? You are right, there are way too many 3D Software solutions out there that can do retopology and also maintain UV coordinates. What was I thinking in getting excited over it. New snap tools on every level, also unimportant right? Man, why would anyone want tools to make the best modelling software out there even better? Performance improvements? Why would anyone want that. I mean, its not like people brag about performance on other software, right? Why would anyone want Max to run more polygons faster is beyond me. Man, that autosave though! 👍 Whatever. You do you. I for one thank Blender. Max up to 2021 was stale and in a seriously bad place. They needed a slap in the face and thankfully Blender came along and did just that to push them forward with actually making proper improvements to the software. And I am thankful to Blender and also optimistic that the best is yet to come. 2022 alone had more improvements and additions from 2022.2 and 2022.3 than 2021 had in its entirety (what was it, the ability to bake materials? Clap clap Autodesk... a feature 3 years behind the competition). More so, adding an indie license for 3DS Max which is dirt cheap now makes it even more evident that they are scared of their competition. And this is a good thing. 3DS Max needed a kick in the nuts for years now, no argument there. When a developer turns around and says things like "why would we add this to 3DS Max when we have a plugin that does it", then you know their head is in the wrong place and deep in somewhere where it shouldn't be. Thankfully this seems to not be the case anymore. So I will be the first to call them out on their bs, but to continue to whine after they finally get on track, well that is just backward. And I really do hope Blender continues to improve, competition is making every tool better. And the more tools for us to chose from each one for different needs and tastes, the better. Blender does some things better, and in other things....... well Id rather staple my sack to the wall and hit it with a hammer than bend over backwards to do something I can do in Max in 5 mins. Cheers. I'll go check that autosave feature out now.
@@DCFHazardRebornChannel Well granted, I do find Max modeling tools far more efficient than any other program including blender. However thats likely because ive been using Max tools since the early 2000s every day. Aside from the weakness, where i feel Max fails; is animation tools and workflow. While you might see most of my work online is DMP and Concepts, its definitely not the limitations of what i use Max for. DMP really is 3d environment art these days. I also do a lot of animation related work, especially using mocap data and NLA workflows. Max .. what can i say; i'm sure Autodesk are intentionally dragging their feet with Max to force people to use Maya for animation. Needless to say i can rebuild all the great animation tools in Maya for less than a 100$ with blender plugins ... to keep .. forever. I'm talking face capture tools, mocap, rigging tools, NLA, animation layers etc ... all far better than Maya. Have you ever tried to use IKhumans in Maya with ITS OWN NLA tools LOL ... OH FML!! Its a mess!! LOL Then we come to rendering, and yes, Max isn't really the issue with that. I'm talking Vray. I just dont get it ... i feel quite confident with VRay and using the tools. However i can get equally nice results in Cycles in a fraction of the time with far less effort. Cycles just gives good results .. no Effing around with crazy settings ... granted i'm an artist, not a scientist or engineer lol ... but thats the thing with blender .. it simplifies everything and gives equally great results. Blender isn't ammune though. In two areas i see big issues; memory management and asset / scene management. I love Mayas scene management, how you can nest scenes into scenes and such. Blender seems to really suck in this; which for large production, is a big deal. Here's the thing; Max / Maya >> a small team of developers getting excited over a few less than great features once a year. Blender >> thousands of developers innovating and iterating tools every week! Max >>> over night to render a shot. Blender, 1 hour to render the same shot with better results ... just my experience :)
@@davidedwardsme I have no idea about those render times and if the issue is user end, I really don't have any issues tbh. When was the last time you rendered with Max? Probably depends on what aspects you use as well. For example, rendering with VRay environment fog took me on a space shuttle I made 6 hours for a single shot. I wanted to kick the monitor in. 720p too. Rendering the same shot with Phoenix FD particles, aside from fog which was controlled and added smoke effects, more on the scene was volumetric clouds, and even flaming boosters with smoke themselves. Took 1.5hrs to render a much better result. I am talking about as far as render standards go of course. "I really don't have any issues tbh" goes to say, compared to what the norm is. Haven't gotten as far as rendering in Blender, the thing has annoyed me beyond belief in more ways than one. And I do want to get into it, but unfortunately too much work to switch during projects 1, and 2 every time I see something in it I am not particularly over-impressed to the point that I must use it. VRay was a pain in the behind for years though. Curious when was your last experience with that too? I never touched it because it was overly complicated for no reason. I am more from an artists standpoint as well. Scripting and the sort I leave for those that have interest in doing them. And VRay really was a pain. Not so much anymore. Its nothing more than just click and add at this point. Very straight forward and fast materials too. Their last ready to go SSS skin solution just works, the hair material looks simply brilliant (provided you have something to make good hair with like Ornatrix), and I have had little issues using it. In fact, I teach it at a graphical institute I work for doing seminars and have zero issue transferring all its functionality over to completely newcomers. I am of a mind to try Arnold this time around though. I have to say its been impressing me for a while now and wanted to switch to give that a go as well. Animation in Max? Come on man, its simply amazing! /sarcasm. Yes, it has fallen behind. They are making steps to improve it though (this comes in place with saying that I trust they will keep down this path) and seeing the work the studio is working on to release, it is part of their pipeline. Improvements already to motion paths is a huge deal. But yeah I have the same impression, they wanted to make Maya their leading animation tool, and now there are two solutions, Blender and Maya, and in that area things are dim atm for Max. Motionbuilder has probably fallen even more behind, not functionality wise, but in terms of coverage. You don't even hear it exists anymore. It really should just be implemented and tossed into Maya and Max at this point. It seems useless to be a tool of its own. Luckily so far everything Ive needed to animate I have been able to handle with little issue. But yeah, no argument there it could be a lot better. Which is why I mentioned, the best tool for the job. One of the main reasons I want to get into Blender is this, animation. I fear Max might actually get their head straight before I get the chance to migrate though, which is I guess good news for me in a way, and finalize their solutions they have been working on. Along with plenty other neat additions I see they are working on. From there on, animation aside, I have no issues with Max tbh. Modelling, its not because you have used it for years. It really is better. I even see student opinions after showing them the ins and outs for Max and its a good sample I would argue, people that do not have years of experience. And even they find that the depth in max for modelling is just on another level. Same way Autocad is on a whole different level for architecture. So yeah, I can actualize pretty much anything I want in terms of modelling, and adding ZBrush to the mix pretty much makes the results have little to be jealous of from any other solution of range of solutions out there. From there on, I am never the type to find an issue on a software I use and stick with it regardless for tribalistic insecurities, if you know what I mean, and will definitely dabble in whatever else gets the job done. Even compositing is far behind in Max. They are working on improving Bifrost, but yeah don't know how to feel about it. Will wait till they have something to show for it. So far though, modelling and putting worlds together........... well... I find no parallel. And this aspect alone saves me so much time, and better yet, allows me to be so much more creative, that its hard to think someone that models for so many years would leave Max behind for Blender. I mean, its a click away. Exporting, that is. You can model in one, take advantage of its strongest aspects, and then off to do the rest in Blender. Same as ZBrush, I would never use that for anything but organic modelling. Not even for hard surfaces. Max gets the job done in a tenth of the time. So when they finally add even more significant changes to a modelling tool that has been so strong in modelling yet so little changed for so long, you can understand how I scratch my head at the implication of not being excited to try these new tools out and seeing how much better results I can get, how much faster, and how much more I can push myself. From there, totally with you. One software lacks in an area? No need to waste time and dabble in it any further. Off to the next solution. Speaking of. Did you see UE5 drop a few days ago? Ok..... now that is one tool that for what it is doing, it is starting to get to a whole new level. First time I am excited for an UE release tbh. At this rate we will probably capture screen videos within UE realtime settings and compile it to a final cinematic and be done. Doubt we will get any rendering faster than that 😆
@@davidedwardsme Is Cycle enough for your work,? Not for me. I need a real professional render engines. If you think Blender is better at animation than Maya. Good for you. Most animators don't think so. They need a professional tool.
these are good update, but you'd think one of the leaders of industry would include features that has been in other programs (even blender) for so long as minor update. Not a major one. Not to mention, most of these are just upgrades of the existing features. I'm not even sure if their R&D department is working or just watch youtube all day.
Thank You for Very Well Explaining😍 . Retopology with Texture and auto backup is Good , but UV Mapping is So Hard inside 3ds Max and they didn't make it easier and Faster .
Are you perhaps doing something wrong? It has been improved ages now. You simply select edges, turn them into seems, and then quick peel. It actually works as good as any function I've seen out there. Not as good in some cases as the completely automated ZBrush UV mapping, but that has issues still unfortunately in some cases, and nowhere near as adjustable as Max. So I am curious as to how you still find it difficult :/
@@marshal487 granted, and ZBrush has an auto UV too and so does Substance. There is a huge difference between "its too hard" and "I need it faster"... On your second statement I agree, there is always room for improvement and the faster and better the tools become the better for us using them. I just scratched my head when you said "so hard" when it is literally the easiest it will ever be right before the automated stage. In my experience, automated UVs atm need improvement. They have several issues, ZBrush included, which are only fixable in a non automates tool. It seems to me as the industry's moves forward more fresh blood joins the fray and unfortunately their knowledge in 3D is lacking as I see time and time again their lack of knowledge on many areas, and ultimately lack of professionalism and experience, brings about poorly optimized results. Like you usual ZBrush uv maps in some cases that, thanks to the model and how it perceives it in the algorithm, ends up taking half the uv space. Then they send you q supposedly 8k resolutions texture which is in fact 4k in detail, and they wonder why their results look subpar to the same equivalent. All because of automation and the fact not only they didn't bother looking at the uvws, but they don't even have a clue what is actually happening, brings about mediocre results. Automated tools are awesome, and hope they get to it in 3dsmax as well, but its good to know behind the scenes as well, for further editing even when those automations drop. One step at a time. We have Uvs for retopology which is a first, hopefully they can add more. There is a lot to improve which they have fallen behind on, so expecting it all done at once is unrealistic.
When 3dsmax real time render like unreal??? After 12 years in 3dsmax now i'm migrate to unreal. I use 3dsmax just for modeling, just in case. For more detail modeling i use quixel in unreal. I'm waiting for real-time rendering in 3dsmax
Thank you for great content!!! Please can you make tutorial talk about new gilt export settings? Thank you very much! As I am trying to export with glb material attached , in the viewer object is totally black
Love all the new features, especially the autosave and working pivot. If you like shortcuts, you should try Keyhydra 2. Just hope it will be compatible with this max 23. Cheers.
Wasn't sheen already available in the arnold standard surface material before? According to the roadmap sheen will be added to the physical material in the future but standard surface had sheen since max 2017 or 2018?
Благодарю за обзор! Все очень интересно. Про пивот правда не понял что таково нового, все это и так было, ладно пересмотрю еще раз. А ретопология конечно просто супер 👍
I've been using 3ds max from version 5. Smth around 2005. I decided to switch to blender recently because free open source softwares are being more popular and far from financial strategies that keeps ppl in demand. I am happy so many comments did the same. I still use 3ds max but really barely! These are not the updates that can compete.
In the upgrade of every Autodesk software especially AutoCAD and 3Ds Max , will always have some changes to the shortcut keys that make the users seriously confused. I am still struggling with the short cut key of duplicating Poly and Element under editable poly modifier. If I missed out that I have to hold ctrl and shift at the same time. the result will be damn annoying. Not to mention if i switched to wireframe mode. I won’t probably notice that the polygon object is already messed up.
I use a Razor Tartarus game pad for all my apps. Just bind a hot key to whatever key makes sense for a fast workflow and avoid the keyboard . If you run out of keys bind the D-pad to change profiles.
So after 5 years we finally have the glTF support, but we still cannot import it, looking forward for 2028 version! :D I'm also grateful for the working pivot functions, finally I can see polygons normals.
Hello all, 3dsmax 2018-2022 all start ups were agonizingly slow, it literally took minutes for it to let me interact with the UI and tested on various machines, was wondering if3dsmax finally starts up like a proper software? is 2023 any different?
3ds Max is very efficient as a modeling tool. Give it another month or two and you'll be glad for the switch. If nothing else I hope you could use a combo of the software, for the strengths of each. I'm sure your work just wants good results.
Hello, the ocluded selection mode already exists in the max 2022. I didn't see any difference in this one from the 2023, but if you have any, disregard this comment. congrats on the content and keep it up.
All the new features look great :D But as an animator I am sad that once again we are overlooked. Still the ancient curver editor. No decent way of savinge and loading animations on custum rigs. CAT rig which has a high potential but hasn't been updated for a decade... Arch Viz, you seem to have an open line to Autodesk, perhaps you can poke them a bit?
It's 2023 but it's sad that autodesk still has not updated default door and window library. Neither default foliage. Autodesk should also work these points.
Do you like it? Let me know which option is your favourite ;)
The new auto backup visual feature is nice but Autodesk still needs to do more. The glTF looks to be my favorite feature and I hope you do a future video about it. Do you know if / how clients can comment directly on the exported glTF model?
it's amazing, my favorite part is the working pivots, 3ds max becoming a modeling beast more and more.
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Love it. Working Pivot option is savior.
the working with pivot and gltf option I like the most
I am a Product Designer and Civil Designer. I've been using 3ds Max for a long time, since when it was produced by discreet. Today I have the 2020 version. I already create wonders with it from packaging to shopping malls. For me it is the best modeling software.
What about Kinetics?)))
@@moncyber, Kinetix ;-)
I have no regret to switch to blender(2 years ago) everytime i saw these small update ...
Those working pivot options are great, no more scripts needed for them :)
Agreed!
already
Thank you saved me a lot of time trying to browse videos for an actual working one
loved it. So happy to see Blender features pushing Autodesk to make improvements in 3dsMax. Life long to competition! kkkk
going to go make my first soft! My first soft!! Here I go! Wish luck.
3ds Max always leads the way! :)
You may just use xrefs or proxys to shorten autoback time . No need to save whole scene in one file. Autoback timer is cute, but letting program to make autoback in separate thread in background will be better solution, but maybe it will consume more RAM.
We still need a tools for working with different grids, more accurate spline trim/extend and snapping to crossed lines and keyboard shortcuts for spline editing, for example.
New featuress still looks like collection of bells and whistles.
Perfect acting on the autoback part!
Thanks!
really amazing 2023 version!!! dziękuję bardzo!
It's nice to see how Blender forces Autodesk to finally do something to their over expensive pile of bs.
Dave, I totally agree with you
Yes, it's true. 3ds max is piece of bs.
True
Cant agree more
@@daftpunk1270 try blender its worse
I'm so excited to try the improvements of Retopology, but no major update on the software, I was hoping the add new modifier like explosion and smoke!! It seems we are still far away from that 😁
Excellent video. Clearly explained all the basics to get started on soft soft. Thanks
Thank god for the auto save update! That has been a long time coming!
This worked incredibly well! I can finally play it thanks
I'm daily user (22 Years with 3D Max ) and Professional Autodesk Trainer for 3D Max - until Autodesk writes this program Correctly from scratch, which they haven't done for many years - I DON'T RECOMMEND THIS SHIT FOR ANYONE. I'm learning Rhino - and I will never go back to 3D Max - this Product should be the best in the world, but the company's lazy policy has disappointed me and I don't see any future. You want examples:
1. The model does not work with any other software.
Autodesk gives you the option to export to a different format, but they have not prepared any satisfactory settings for this, only they give you the options for experimenting, thanks to which you will waste a few hours or days looking for settings that will ultimately not be good, there will always be errors in geometry and the model will always look like rubbish, the scattered elements are a standard and the lack of support in this matter deletes this program completely
2. It is not possible to 3D print exactly the model you see on the screen, because your good graphics card shows you what you have to see, but in fact, when you try to export this model to 3D print - you can smear - you will waste your time.
He writes here about my 22 years of experience. It cost me a lot of nerves to get everything printed as it should look like. Forget it and prepare yourself to stress and wasted days. Autodesk supports nothing, and Nothing can help you. You like to waste your time - Work in 3D Max
3. Extremely heavy files, and corruption, Ghost objects, invisible animations and many more different kinds of suspensions even with a 48GB card and 256 RAM - The program throws, a complete crap.
4. Viewport - it's a tragedy - even the fastest computer will not make you work faster in 3D max - forget about it. Many objects and modifications will overwhelm his operational abilities because the program is badly written and nobody has changed it for over 25 years.
The program is the most expensive and the worst !!! and the visual change of the icons is not a Program Update, because the package is still the same crap.
Thank you man for sharing this stuff
This is nice update considering we had 2022.3 update almost 3 months ago.
Small correction :
The new update added Sheen and Thin film to the Physical Material NOT to Arnold material which already had it in the past.
Thank U Miss , yes especially the Gltf feature is quite an update, loved it♥️.
Thanks... it's working... Good Job...!
Thank you bro !!!
The magic of shortcuts (the only reason why blender works pretty sweet for me) impressive what 3Ds Max can do. But compared to free blender. its updates are very little and slow!
totally. i used 3dsmax for all my life and this year i decided to go full Blender and, wow. That interface...👌 is explendid. Combined with total intuitive and functional shortcuts, its really good.
It worked. Thanks a lot
Congratulations on your collaboration with Autodesk. Go Higher.
Thank you!
I had just worked with some people on the forums to create a script to make enabling and disabling autobackup a button on the UI for any version before 2023. The week we finalized it and 2023 comes out. Crazy how the world works sometimes.
Ha I had planned to write a autobackup timer script myself. Luckily I hadn't quite got around to it. Might still be useful to have one to prompt you to save your main file though.
Yes, it really came down to too many times where I was in a meeting, went to share my screen and BAM, Max thought now was the perfect time to autosave. So I just have a button to disable it as I please and then re-enable it after. And every time I open Max, it's enabled by default, just so you don't have to worry about enabling it right away.
One of the features should be reducing the price.
Occluded can be used to highlight a surface that can be used to scattering drops or create moss, etc.
working pivot is awesome
You are awesome and doing great. Thank you.
Hands down, tNice tutorials is THE best beginner video I've watched. Others want to brag about all the sample, loops, etc they have. You keep
some of the most annoying things they broke from 2015 days are stil not fixed lol, amazing
Allowing retopology to preserve the UV is godsend for all photogrametry models
keep growing
Loved this video! Thanks ! 4:03 is defenately me when working with milions of polygons, imagine misclicking while auto saving :(
I'm glad I just knew I'm not the only one 😆
Its working man!!
I love my edit patch surfaces. I wish we got more tools for patch objects.
3:55 Watch it with subtitles.
Great! thanks for the video!
Welcome :)
The retopo seems to work much better now. Best to slice the mesh first if possible, seem to get better edges that way. The new pivot options are very useful.
Retopo doesn't work well with bad irregular meshes.
@@moncyber no point to auto retopo tools that only work on cubes or spheres. The retopo tools should always respect and follow collinear sharp edges. This is not the case namy times in Max
work! Cheers
I didnt use max from long ago, and im really surprised with all of these features
for me i like all these new features however the glTF Support format is the best for me so far , before i had to export meshes from 3ds max to blender and then export it as glb format and suffer a lot reapplying materials in blender
do you try babylonJS?
@@eduardocastro4623 i just use[3D VIEWER]application that is installed by default in any windows 10
Still no texure atlas tools, easy animation key frame tools, vr modeling tools, updated skinning-bone tools, armature skeleton integration...ect. Been using 3dsmax for 12 years, maya for five, and I've been moving to Blender and getting used to it. It a rough learning starts but it gets easier as you go. You start to see Autodesk products fall behind the faster you use Blander.
At this rate Blender will overlap autodesk in technological advancments and capabilities. The funny part is that these were features requested in the autodesk forums decades ago. 😂
Progress is always a good thing .. but honestly, after using Max for 20 years ... i can't hide from Blender any longer, it's just winning the race for me. Max and Maya are really dragging behind. Though i do like the Autosave lol ... seeing a timer will now mean i lose a lot more work lol
Agree with you there....blender has a nice ui dock too..which max is lack behind..
I find your comment hard to believe and either 1) the common redundant "I use Blender" comment from unprofessional tribalism which has weaseled its way into 3D unfortunately as well, or 2) an honest comment from someone that simply is using 3DS Max for the wrong reasons for 20 odd years.
I am going to assume it is the latter, seeing as you focus in matte painting and concept art. Both aspects I would say Max is definitely not strong in.
Way I see it, each tool has its advantages and disadvantages, and you use the best tool in your arsenal for the job.
For example modelling. 3DS Max was light-years ahead from Blender before these additions. After 17 years myself I find it hard to believe that if you used Max for modelling that you then found Blender being a better solution. Aside from 3DS Max being better at it, the speeds alone after so many years using said better modelling tool would multiply these strengths of Max over Blender even more.
Shame to think you might actually be a pro and yet add such troll comments as the Autosave. Because the new retopology is a small addition, right? You are right, there are way too many 3D Software solutions out there that can do retopology and also maintain UV coordinates. What was I thinking in getting excited over it. New snap tools on every level, also unimportant right? Man, why would anyone want tools to make the best modelling software out there even better? Performance improvements? Why would anyone want that. I mean, its not like people brag about performance on other software, right? Why would anyone want Max to run more polygons faster is beyond me. Man, that autosave though! 👍
Whatever. You do you.
I for one thank Blender. Max up to 2021 was stale and in a seriously bad place. They needed a slap in the face and thankfully Blender came along and did just that to push them forward with actually making proper improvements to the software. And I am thankful to Blender and also optimistic that the best is yet to come. 2022 alone had more improvements and additions from 2022.2 and 2022.3 than 2021 had in its entirety (what was it, the ability to bake materials? Clap clap Autodesk... a feature 3 years behind the competition).
More so, adding an indie license for 3DS Max which is dirt cheap now makes it even more evident that they are scared of their competition. And this is a good thing.
3DS Max needed a kick in the nuts for years now, no argument there. When a developer turns around and says things like "why would we add this to 3DS Max when we have a plugin that does it", then you know their head is in the wrong place and deep in somewhere where it shouldn't be. Thankfully this seems to not be the case anymore. So I will be the first to call them out on their bs, but to continue to whine after they finally get on track, well that is just backward.
And I really do hope Blender continues to improve, competition is making every tool better. And the more tools for us to chose from each one for different needs and tastes, the better.
Blender does some things better, and in other things....... well Id rather staple my sack to the wall and hit it with a hammer than bend over backwards to do something I can do in Max in 5 mins.
Cheers.
I'll go check that autosave feature out now.
@@DCFHazardRebornChannel Well granted, I do find Max modeling tools far more efficient than any other program including blender. However thats likely because ive been using Max tools since the early 2000s every day. Aside from the weakness, where i feel Max fails; is animation tools and workflow. While you might see most of my work online is DMP and Concepts, its definitely not the limitations of what i use Max for. DMP really is 3d environment art these days. I also do a lot of animation related work, especially using mocap data and NLA workflows. Max .. what can i say; i'm sure Autodesk are intentionally dragging their feet with Max to force people to use Maya for animation. Needless to say i can rebuild all the great animation tools in Maya for less than a 100$ with blender plugins ... to keep .. forever. I'm talking face capture tools, mocap, rigging tools, NLA, animation layers etc ... all far better than Maya. Have you ever tried to use IKhumans in Maya with ITS OWN NLA tools LOL ... OH FML!! Its a mess!! LOL Then we come to rendering, and yes, Max isn't really the issue with that. I'm talking Vray. I just dont get it ... i feel quite confident with VRay and using the tools. However i can get equally nice results in Cycles in a fraction of the time with far less effort. Cycles just gives good results .. no Effing around with crazy settings ... granted i'm an artist, not a scientist or engineer lol ... but thats the thing with blender .. it simplifies everything and gives equally great results. Blender isn't ammune though. In two areas i see big issues; memory management and asset / scene management. I love Mayas scene management, how you can nest scenes into scenes and such. Blender seems to really suck in this; which for large production, is a big deal. Here's the thing; Max / Maya >> a small team of developers getting excited over a few less than great features once a year. Blender >> thousands of developers innovating and iterating tools every week! Max >>> over night to render a shot. Blender, 1 hour to render the same shot with better results ... just my experience :)
@@davidedwardsme I have no idea about those render times and if the issue is user end, I really don't have any issues tbh. When was the last time you rendered with Max?
Probably depends on what aspects you use as well. For example, rendering with VRay environment fog took me on a space shuttle I made 6 hours for a single shot. I wanted to kick the monitor in. 720p too. Rendering the same shot with Phoenix FD particles, aside from fog which was controlled and added smoke effects, more on the scene was volumetric clouds, and even flaming boosters with smoke themselves. Took 1.5hrs to render a much better result.
I am talking about as far as render standards go of course. "I really don't have any issues tbh" goes to say, compared to what the norm is. Haven't gotten as far as rendering in Blender, the thing has annoyed me beyond belief in more ways than one. And I do want to get into it, but unfortunately too much work to switch during projects 1, and 2 every time I see something in it I am not particularly over-impressed to the point that I must use it.
VRay was a pain in the behind for years though. Curious when was your last experience with that too? I never touched it because it was overly complicated for no reason. I am more from an artists standpoint as well. Scripting and the sort I leave for those that have interest in doing them. And VRay really was a pain. Not so much anymore. Its nothing more than just click and add at this point. Very straight forward and fast materials too. Their last ready to go SSS skin solution just works, the hair material looks simply brilliant (provided you have something to make good hair with like Ornatrix), and I have had little issues using it. In fact, I teach it at a graphical institute I work for doing seminars and have zero issue transferring all its functionality over to completely newcomers.
I am of a mind to try Arnold this time around though. I have to say its been impressing me for a while now and wanted to switch to give that a go as well.
Animation in Max? Come on man, its simply amazing! /sarcasm.
Yes, it has fallen behind.
They are making steps to improve it though (this comes in place with saying that I trust they will keep down this path) and seeing the work the studio is working on to release, it is part of their pipeline. Improvements already to motion paths is a huge deal. But yeah I have the same impression, they wanted to make Maya their leading animation tool, and now there are two solutions, Blender and Maya, and in that area things are dim atm for Max. Motionbuilder has probably fallen even more behind, not functionality wise, but in terms of coverage. You don't even hear it exists anymore. It really should just be implemented and tossed into Maya and Max at this point. It seems useless to be a tool of its own. Luckily so far everything Ive needed to animate I have been able to handle with little issue. But yeah, no argument there it could be a lot better.
Which is why I mentioned, the best tool for the job. One of the main reasons I want to get into Blender is this, animation. I fear Max might actually get their head straight before I get the chance to migrate though, which is I guess good news for me in a way, and finalize their solutions they have been working on.
Along with plenty other neat additions I see they are working on.
From there on, animation aside, I have no issues with Max tbh. Modelling, its not because you have used it for years. It really is better. I even see student opinions after showing them the ins and outs for Max and its a good sample I would argue, people that do not have years of experience. And even they find that the depth in max for modelling is just on another level. Same way Autocad is on a whole different level for architecture.
So yeah, I can actualize pretty much anything I want in terms of modelling, and adding ZBrush to the mix pretty much makes the results have little to be jealous of from any other solution of range of solutions out there.
From there on, I am never the type to find an issue on a software I use and stick with it regardless for tribalistic insecurities, if you know what I mean, and will definitely dabble in whatever else gets the job done. Even compositing is far behind in Max. They are working on improving Bifrost, but yeah don't know how to feel about it. Will wait till they have something to show for it. So far though, modelling and putting worlds together........... well... I find no parallel. And this aspect alone saves me so much time, and better yet, allows me to be so much more creative, that its hard to think someone that models for so many years would leave Max behind for Blender. I mean, its a click away. Exporting, that is. You can model in one, take advantage of its strongest aspects, and then off to do the rest in Blender. Same as ZBrush, I would never use that for anything but organic modelling. Not even for hard surfaces. Max gets the job done in a tenth of the time.
So when they finally add even more significant changes to a modelling tool that has been so strong in modelling yet so little changed for so long, you can understand how I scratch my head at the implication of not being excited to try these new tools out and seeing how much better results I can get, how much faster, and how much more I can push myself.
From there, totally with you. One software lacks in an area? No need to waste time and dabble in it any further. Off to the next solution.
Speaking of. Did you see UE5 drop a few days ago?
Ok..... now that is one tool that for what it is doing, it is starting to get to a whole new level. First time I am excited for an UE release tbh.
At this rate we will probably capture screen videos within UE realtime settings and compile it to a final cinematic and be done. Doubt we will get any rendering faster than that 😆
@@davidedwardsme Is Cycle enough for your work,? Not for me. I need a real professional render engines. If you think Blender is better at animation than Maya. Good for you. Most animators don't think so. They need a professional tool.
Perfect .... thank you
ur a fcking legend dude honestly
Wow 😍 thank you for review!
Nice, I like it :D
these are good update, but you'd think one of the leaders of industry would include features that has been in other programs (even blender) for so long as minor update. Not a major one. Not to mention, most of these are just upgrades of the existing features. I'm not even sure if their R&D department is working or just watch youtube all day.
wonderful
finally they improved the working pivot
Please make a tutorial on how you made that snow effect using that technique you showed in the video
good version thank you :)
Thanks for listening
Thank You for Very Well Explaining😍 . Retopology with Texture and auto backup is Good , but UV Mapping is So Hard inside 3ds Max and they didn't make it easier and Faster .
Are you perhaps doing something wrong? It has been improved ages now. You simply select edges, turn them into seems, and then quick peel. It actually works as good as any function I've seen out there. Not as good in some cases as the completely automated ZBrush UV mapping, but that has issues still unfortunately in some cases, and nowhere near as adjustable as Max. So I am curious as to how you still find it difficult :/
@@DCFHazardRebornChannel i need it faster ... and "Automatic UV Mapping" something like "Smart UV in Blender"
@@marshal487 granted, and ZBrush has an auto UV too and so does Substance. There is a huge difference between "its too hard" and "I need it faster"... On your second statement I agree, there is always room for improvement and the faster and better the tools become the better for us using them. I just scratched my head when you said "so hard" when it is literally the easiest it will ever be right before the automated stage.
In my experience, automated UVs atm need improvement. They have several issues, ZBrush included, which are only fixable in a non automates tool. It seems to me as the industry's moves forward more fresh blood joins the fray and unfortunately their knowledge in 3D is lacking as I see time and time again their lack of knowledge on many areas, and ultimately lack of professionalism and experience, brings about poorly optimized results.
Like you usual ZBrush uv maps in some cases that, thanks to the model and how it perceives it in the algorithm, ends up taking half the uv space. Then they send you q supposedly 8k resolutions texture which is in fact 4k in detail, and they wonder why their results look subpar to the same equivalent. All because of automation and the fact not only they didn't bother looking at the uvws, but they don't even have a clue what is actually happening, brings about mediocre results.
Automated tools are awesome, and hope they get to it in 3dsmax as well, but its good to know behind the scenes as well, for further editing even when those automations drop.
One step at a time. We have Uvs for retopology which is a first, hopefully they can add more. There is a lot to improve which they have fallen behind on, so expecting it all done at once is unrealistic.
When 3dsmax real time render like unreal??? After 12 years in 3dsmax now i'm migrate to unreal. I use 3dsmax just for modeling, just in case. For more detail modeling i use quixel in unreal. I'm waiting for real-time rendering in 3dsmax
Thanks
useful update thank you ...
You're welcome!
'Let me show you' :))
Thank you for great content!!! Please can you make tutorial talk about new gilt export settings? Thank you very much! As I am trying to export with glb material attached , in the viewer object is totally black
Love all the new features, especially the autosave and working pivot. If you like shortcuts, you should try Keyhydra 2. Just hope it will be compatible with this max 23. Cheers.
Will check it out, thanks!
Hahahah, wonderful this version, and I really funn qhen to talk about autobackup haha LOL
Wasn't sheen already available in the arnold standard surface material before?
According to the roadmap sheen will be added to the physical material in the future but standard surface had sheen since max 2017 or 2018?
Thanks❤️
You’re welcome!
In fact i like u reaction more than video 😂
VERRYGOOD
Благодарю за обзор! Все очень интересно. Про пивот правда не понял что таково нового, все это и так было, ладно пересмотрю еще раз. А ретопология конечно просто супер 👍
Нововведений как обычно кот наплакал.
Brava!
Wow, which 3d people are those in the clay view?
I've been using 3ds max from version 5. Smth around 2005. I decided to switch to blender recently because free open source softwares are being more popular and far from financial strategies that keeps ppl in demand.
I am happy so many comments did the same. I still use 3ds max but really barely! These are not the updates that can compete.
In the upgrade of every Autodesk software especially AutoCAD and 3Ds Max , will always have some changes to the shortcut keys that make the users seriously confused. I am still struggling with the short cut key of duplicating Poly and Element under editable poly modifier. If I missed out that I have to hold ctrl and shift at the same time. the result will be damn annoying. Not to mention if i switched to wireframe mode. I won’t probably notice that the polygon object is already messed up.
I use a Razor Tartarus game pad for all my apps. Just bind a hot key to whatever key makes sense for a fast workflow and avoid the keyboard . If you run out of keys bind the D-pad to change profiles.
I decided to let autobackup off, It wastes time doing many saves, especially on large scenes. Also uncompress files save faster.
Появление glTF впечатлило интересно поковырять
I'm use 3ds max 2018. Nothing news for me.
i think there is no new since 2011 :)
@@ibayazitov similar thinking
@@ibayazitov haha! So true!
So after 5 years we finally have the glTF support, but we still cannot import it, looking forward for 2028 version! :D I'm also grateful for the working pivot functions, finally I can see polygons normals.
Forgotten again Wire parameters, reaction manager, curve editor and controller animations..
I looked at the thumbnail and thought it's a new Pewdiepie horror game playthrough.
"working pivots" in 2023 - my God, it could have been done 15 years ago
Top !
wow options
:D
Absolutely no animation updates. I've been a 3ds animator for decades. This software is now a joke to me.
Have you already test if Corona Render works with 3max 2023.
It's working. After install 3ds max 2023 update, one must install Corona 8 Release Candidate.
8:17 How did you make that come out? I mean, the what seems to be a dialogue/search box.
Hello all, 3dsmax 2018-2022 all start ups were agonizingly slow, it literally took minutes for it to let me interact with the UI and tested on various machines, was wondering if3dsmax finally starts up like a proper software? is 2023 any different?
nice
Still same base code 3ds max last 26 years and still using limited cpu and gpu power. but sadly we still need 3ds max:)
me gusta mucho como explicas el programa, como puedo descargar la versión 2023? en la pagina oficial me dirige directamente la versión 2024...
retopology modifier seems to ignore the set polygon count
great
Sad story, I'm from China, I love blender, but for work I have to learn 3dmax
3ds Max is very efficient as a modeling tool. Give it another month or two and you'll be glad for the switch. If nothing else I hope you could use a combo of the software, for the strengths of each. I'm sure your work just wants good results.
Nice but your previous studio is good
Gosh! She looks like AI made to look like Daniel Brühl!
loved the vid though.
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Can we embed the textures into vertex colors, so I won't need textures after a post-processing? Also will 3d max support Mac?
I wish this clumsy thing would learn to start up in a couple of seconds and make autosaves without any slowing down the workflow, as D5 for example.
Hello, the ocluded selection mode already exists in the max 2022. I didn't see any difference in this one from the 2023, but if you have any, disregard this comment. congrats on the content and keep it up.
The accuracy and performance has been greatly improved. ruclips.net/video/voXAQaqeOo0/видео.html
Can anyone tell me experience with this business course from Arch Viz Artist? do you recommend it?
I dont have the icon of 3dsmax 2023 on my files ....what should i do ?
thanks
All the new features look great :D But as an animator I am sad that once again we are overlooked. Still the ancient curver editor. No decent way of savinge and loading animations on custum rigs. CAT rig which has a high potential but hasn't been updated for a decade... Arch Viz, you seem to have an open line to Autodesk, perhaps you can poke them a bit?
It's 2023 but it's sad that autodesk still has not updated default door and window library.
Neither default foliage.
Autodesk should also work these points.