The ULTIMATE Virtual Reality Sim Racing Experience Is...
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2024
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Gt7 in vr with a wheel and pedals is amazing. Never tried the ACC but looks pretty good as well. I cant race on flat screen anymore. Nice review!
I can't race on a flat screen anymore either 😆 My brain short circuits when I try and it's hilarious that I was ever able to do it and watching people do it is like amazing to me now. Now I understand how my dad looked at me driving on a flat screen and was like never mind I'm not even going to try this.😂
Pimax is high-end VR hardware, it'd be great to see ACC/iRacing comparision on more budget hardware like Quest2 or sth.
Planning to do just this, make sure you are subscribed!!
Yeah, this is a highly unbalanced review, more like an AD for the Pimax than anything!
Quest 2/3 or Pico 4 is the way to go... not forgetting the modded Assetto Corsa
No for the upcoming Crystal light! Best value for money out there.
More racing games have to support PSVR2
Agreed
Would like to see Kunos take a crack at PSVR2 with Assetto Corsa 2
Good luck with it... They are barely making them for PC and we have 10 times the power consoles have.
FYI you arent locked to the cockpit in ACC while in VR you can use other views if you like, bonnet cam, bumper cam etc.
Ams2/quest 3 is untouchable for VR.
For the internal view, is there a like for like car comparison available where you compare the same cars? The interiors in the examples in the video seem so different.
So it cost the same for the headset on pc that it did for my whole vr sim rig on ps5
ACC looks great in VR!
VR will always be better then any multi monitor setup
Depends, there are pros and cons to both. No headset yet meets the FOV and image quality you can get with a good set of triples. But nothing puts you in the car like being in the 3D world of VR. I chose VR but it’s a personal preference thing.
I prefer to have both, for longer runs and practice i prefer triples. In GT7 the only option is PSVR2 as there is no triple screen support. One thing i cant do anymore is single screen racing.
what a bunch of bs xD, I've a 4070 super with the quest3 and it's at least a decade away from having a decent quality image lol. And by the time that will be good you could have 3x 4k monitors running with 165hz with prob a 7090
it's def fun to experience VR, and I often use it over a high qual image, but acting like it's some holy grail is nuts xd
@@Bankai90 I use a quest 2 with a 2080 super and 9900ks. The image quality is definitely not a decade away from 1440p. I’m wondering if you have the resolution turned down in the oculus software because by all accounts I’ve heard the quest 3 has very good image quality. Check your settings because the software can be deceiving, you actually have to have the resolution at 1.5x to render the full resolution because VR requires the pc to not only render what’s on the screen but also an area around the screen to ensure that the image is there when you turn your head. If you have the resolution set to the actual display resolution you are actually not rendering the full display resolution. In order for me to run the headset at full resolution and still have good graphics settings in game I use the oculus debug tool to reduce the vertical FOV to 50%. It blacks out the top and bottom 25% of the screen and is hardly noticeable, just feels a bit more like wearing a helmet. The difference in performance is astronomical though since I’m only running half the original pixels. If I sit still and focus on the screen I can see the pixels and aliasing of diagonal lines, however when actually racing I don’t notice any difference from 1440p. For reference I have 20/20 vision.
Purley on price, PS5 wins hands down.
You don’t need to watch a video to tell you that. Just look at the price tags… if you just want the cheapest VR racing experience get a used quest 2 and run assetto corsa on a cheap used PC… will it be as good as psvr2? No, but it’s cheaper. Same story with psvr2 and gt7 vs a high end headset on a high end pc running a proper sim. You pay more for better quality obviously. The point of this video was to say what is best. Not what is cheapest…
@@alecmillea4539 Best is extremely subjective, myself I prefer driving normal cars, I can relate to them better, for me GT7 is more of a driving games than a 'simulator' actually what is a simulator anyway, pointing a car around on a screen simulates nothing, they are all just games.
Bidennomics eat food in VR.
@@WrittlesCave I’m happy for you and glad you found something to have fun with in sim racing! You’re right that gt7 is more of a driving game than a sim. This video was to discuss graphical superiority and as Kireth said the high end pc option looks closer to real life. Some of us find great pleasure in trying to get our virtual experience so match reality as closely as possible. Whatever you have fun with is great!
@@WrittlesCave In relation to your question of what is a simulator compared to a driving game. The goal of a driving game is to be a video game for the purpose of fun driving. This means that it’s likely not going to try and mimic reality as closely as it could in order for it to be more accessible and easier for the average person to pick up and have fun with. A driving simulator is only concerned with mimicking real car physics and dynamics as closely as possible.
What difference results?
People who have trained on a real driving simulator can transfer those skills directly into real life driving. The inputs and feel through the steering is the same. The brake inputs are the same. The throttle application and resulting action of the car all behave the same. This is why almost all racing drivers use simulators for training purposes.
The goal of simulator racing is to have everything match reality as closely as possible for maximum transferability to real life. No platform is perfect but listening to real drivers many simulators such as AC ACC iRacing and RF2 are close enough to be effective training. Games like Forza and GT7(better) are not close enough to be useful. They are just played for fun. Even games can still teach a lot though. Like driving lines and basic technique.
Awesome comparison 🙂 I only have the PSVR 2 myself and I agree with you 100% when you say they have greatly improved the visual quality in the headset since launch! I think some people originally got headsets with an old firmware and mine was one of them. The quality was more like the original psvr. It is such a cool experience though. I never play GT7 without it anymore
I spent like an entire year researching on which VR to get and I've come to the conclusion that nothing is even in the same ballpark as the PS VR2 simply because of the consistency in quality top-tier developed game selection. There is just so many more games that are of such high quality that you have access to with the PS VR2 that you don't with any other headset. One cost $500 and the other's going to cost you at least $5,000. Sure a PC VR can do much more and is capable of much more but it's going to lack the community, the race quality, the selection of games. The only way I could justify going PCVR is if I was a developer. If iracing comes out with VR I really hope They make PSVR2 compatibility somehow
Nah man no way, PCVR is much better than PSVR2... Its a pain to setup PCVR sometimes, depending on what headset you have but its so much worth it!
I just can't believe that he is comparing Pimax with PSVR2... Pimax is prohibitively expensive(a mess to setup as well), but the quality in image and lenses clarity is unmatched and he doesn't mention anything...
You can also buy a Oculus Quest 2 for 250€ and have the same or better quality as PSVR2, not to mention that you have on PC OG Assetto Corsa with mods that is probably the best VR experience you can have in any racing game...
Hes is doing more like a review between ACC vs GT7/PCVR2 vs Pimax than PCVR vs PSVR2...
@@oRicardoHetfield I have used the quest 3 in ACC and It's not even in the same ballpark as PSVR2. I mean it's a portable headset and really not even comparable in quality or power. You should really try a PSVR2 lol
@@nighttrain1565 I don't know, every reviewer said otherwise... unfortunately i only tried PSVR2(GT7) only for 10 min(too much people on the waiting line) and although the displays are much better than in my Quest 2, the graphics/colors are way worse in general... and you are stuck with only what the PS5 can offer you... i will get the quest 3 in a matter of weeks(and ACC), i already tried one on my system in assetto corsa and was night and day with their pancake lenses... Your experience its very strange, but every people have different taste so i trust you!
If it's racing games you are into PSVR2 only has GT7 and will not likely get any others. Even PSVR1 only had GT Sport (partial support), Dirt Rally 1 and Driveclub VR. PCVR has at least 12 racing titles that I can think of off the top of my head and pretty much all of the same none racing titles like, Beat Saber, Pistol Whip, Synth Riders etc. Also your prices are way off on PCVR. I have PSVR1 and 2, and a Quest 2 that I only use on the PC, none of those stand alone Quest games. They are both great but if you could only afford 1 system and racing games/sims is your jam you gotta go PC just so many titles support PCVR.
@@elbowsout6301 nah 5000 is Right on point if you want to be at PSVR2 quality and clarity and smoothness. You will need a 4000 or higher gpu, plus a headset, and those other racing titles are not optimized for specific headsets or GPUs and they are all blotchy and none of them are smooth... As of right now Gran Turismo 7 is the only playable VR racing game that doesn't make you nauseous and actually feels right and that's because it has the most development. But a 4,000 series GPU and a headset that is equivalent to a PS VR2... That's 3k minimum not even including the wheel, pedals, rig etc.. and the games you have access to are not optimized for whatever headset you have lol.. Not to mention you have to set it up for everything you play It's not just turn it on and go. And even when you do find something decent to drive in that's not Gran Turismo there's nobody else playing it It's just you so there's no community and there's no racing It's just you and Sims which is boring. You really don't have any other options for optimized performance and a racing community other than the PS VR2. I have tried a lot of different headsets with a lot of different setups and nothing even comes within the ballpark. I also think it has something to do with people not wanting to admit they waste their money and their setups aren't as good as what a cheap Sony setup gets you lol.. It would piss me off too if I spent five or $7,000 on a rig and computer setup And there was absolutely nothing I could do to give it to the quality of PS VR2 with Gran Turismo 7 because of the exclusivity lol.. You can spend $10,000 on the most latest and greatest headset with the most latest and greatest computer and still not compared to the quality and community and development put into Gran Turismo 7 when paired with a PS VR2 lol... PC guys really need to get over the fact that there is no comparison lol. It's called math. Smaller numbers in price larger numbers in community.
I have a PSVR 2 with GT 7 and a Logitech DD wheel and load cell pedal set. Although awesome, it’s not the ultimate VR experience for me, at least not anymore. Rather, that title now goes to the wireless Quest 3 sim racing set up I also have. The big difference is the incredible pancake lenses on the Quest 3. They are a game changer, since they essentially eliminate the sweet spot and provide edge to edge clarity and exceptional colors. Coupled with my Accuforce DD wheel and HE sprint pedals with load cell brake, I think that is the ultimate experience, at least for me. No wires and sweet spot really makes all the difference.
I really love racing with psvr2.
Do you think they can improve it with updates and if yes, in what timeframe do you think?
Honestly I'm not expecting updates for GT7, it's been too long
naturally with me being a VR Sim racing guy I appreciate the VR videos , keep em coming
Thanks for the video. I’m interested in more VR content. It’d also be nice to know how much your PC cost that you use with the Pimax.
List price was about $4,000 I believe but fundamentally it is a 13900k paired with a 4090
Thank you! @@Kireth
But don't forget, the PSVR 2 is extremely expensive (not)
I only drive in VR now on GT7. Depth perception is a game changer. As we all know psvr2 doesn't do any processing, GT7 is last gen compatible. So the results are pretty dam good really and with eye tracking in place wether it be PS5 Pro, PS6 and some tweeks to run GT7 at 120 or we are to wait for GT8 or an interim sport mode. PSVR2 is going to handle it, just waiting for the hardware/software to catch up.
Even with a 4080 pc I still prefer GT7. Just not having to mess around with the settings makes it my prefered choice but the future looks promising for both systems (PS5 pro, acc2 and so on)
Weird take, with 4080 and capable CPU to match you can take any rando sim racing title put it on High preset and run 120/60 reprojection maxing out resolution of something like Quest3. Money aside, this requires no more effort than lunching game on a console. If you do however want to tinker you can easily get titles like AMS2, modded AC to run at true 120hz and look super sharp which makes GT7/PSVR2 experience a sort of a joke in comparison.
Same, and I have a 4090
@@a-qy4cq I tried to run the racing sims at 80fps because I was getting too much artifacts when using reprojection. VD SSW works quite well with MSFS but I haven't tried it with any sim-racing title.
With a 5800x3d and 4080 I was nowhere near running sims at high settings.
- iRacing with active mirrors and dynamic shadows: Not a chance
- AMS2 at night: Lot's of frame drops
Yes you get a image which is a lot sharper on Pc but in my opinion there is currently no PC sim which aims for the photorealistic look like GT7 with accurate colors, lighting and material behaviour. For me this adds more to the immersion than just having a cristal clear image, but this seems like a personal preference.
I believe a benefit in ACC is that they have a spotter telling you what’s going on, in PSVR I have virtually nothing, even a yellow caution I will not be aware of unless I see a yellow flag waving. But I love my PSVR2, blurry is ok, sure the rain is more difficult in ACC but where are the bug and mud splats on the windshield?😅
i wish more games supported eye tracking foveated rendering to get more out of lower end PCs (or more detail on higher end ones). Especially as resolution is going up with pimax crystal (and super coming)
I play both gt7 psvr2 and acc on quest 3 with a 2080 ti. I use all of the tools to squeeze better performance out of pcvr for acc and compared to psvr2 it looks like crap.
Other vr games comparable are very similar. I am soon getting a 3080 so I expect it to be better.
do you use chase cam in VR too?
Have a little think about your comment here then come back to me 😅
I can’t seem to get ACC looking good in VR, just upgraded to a quest 3 and it doesn’t look much better than on the quest 2. Idk what I’m doing wrong
13900k, 3090 64gb ddr4ram
It might be because I'm throwing a 4090 at it
@@KirethI have a 3090 I’m not that far behind. I need to mess with more settings I guess, everything always looks like antialiasing is off, but it’s definitely set to TAA
I got a 3090 but the 4090 is quite a significant upgrade
Personally waiting for the 5090 now lol 😂
@@Crypto_Sim_Racing I'm doing the exact same thing hahaha. I was forced to upgrade my motherboard and cpu but I wanna hold on to the new ones for at least 4-5 more years if I can
You running vr native for acc? You have to use various 3rd party tools like the openxr toolkit to get better performance. With the right settings (like enabling foveated rendering) you’ll see a 30% performance boost.
Bottom looks like they use rain X but top doesn’t.
I would love more psvr/ Gran turismo content 🙏🙏
Wish theyd patch wrc for psvr2 🤞
Does pimax have screen door effect like psvr2
The newer PS VR2 headsets really aren't that bad. Not sure if they changed the lenses or what but I only get the screen door effect on like the outer ring of my lenses. It's crystal clear in the middle where you are looking at majority of the time on mine. But I might have just got lucky
As for me, i jump from vr to 55 triple setup. It is way way better
I love vr content, I play pcvr on quest 2 and sim rig
ACC in VR is what I think the pro’s way to go and being that it cost about 4x more than PSVR2 (obviously to have it look better than GT7). You gotta pay to play😅 nice and honest review here👏🏽
Huge improvement over gt sport on the psvr1. The pimax and a high end pc is going to look better than psvr2 for obvious reasons, but the psvr2 does a lot with what it has, the fov rendering, hdr, headset rumble, and plug and play nature, plus real good controllers, it’s my favorite headset. Maybe the ps5 pro that’s heavily rumored will improve some of these clarity issues you brought up, the screen door effect (slight blurriness) is my only complaint on the psvr2.
I often forget about headset rumble
Great video! Came at a good time, I've been considering getting a PSVR 1 on ebay (only around 60-80 pounds) so I can play some GT Sport races in VR. By the way, When When will the giveaway winner be announced?
As far as ive seen on RUclips, the difference between vr1 and ps vr2 is really huge! Specially with granturismo.
Try searching a bit further before buying!!! But either way its gonna be a great experience so far
Bear in mind you need an adaptor from Sony if you're using PSVR1 on PS5
Giveaway winner has been drawn and contacted to confirm eligibility
You can only do a 2 lap race against 1 ai car or time trail in vr on gt sport
Best vr racing I had was with og Assetto Corsa and Oculus Rift. One time I played for 8 hours straight. Now I have a Quest 2, tried wireless with my PC but I didn't get a good experience. Assetto Corsa 2 is coming this summer (if no delay). Can't wait!
Wireless is tough to do for sim racing. I have tried it several times in the past but it only worked for me recently with the Quest 3 because of the 6e WiFi compatibility that it has over the Quest 2. Throughput sits at 2 - 2.5 GHz which is nice for wireless, very comparable if not better than what I could get with a link cable.
@@lawyer4ever What WiFi router do you have and what's the distance? Thanks.
@@JPRacer77Qc Comcast gateway with separate bands for 2.4, 5 and 6.
@@JPRacer77Qc. Set it up about 5 feet from where I sit.
ACC/AMS2 or even iRacing in the Varjo XR-4 is the ultimate in VR sim racing! GT7 in PSVR2 is great I just wish the PSVR2 was better.
LMU looks even better in VR than ACC
Acc vr experience is horrible too. I know iR doesn't tick all the boxes but it's a far better experience in VR (especially when paired with almalance)
What VR settings are you using in ACC? I use a Quest 3 with a 4090 PC and I have to use up my magical wishes to make it run to something as smooth as my PSVR2. Yes ACC can be run at higher resolution but the dropped frames when things get hectic at a corner is just immersion-breaking and can result in an unfavourable outcome. GT7 just runs so buttery smooth in PSVR2
I’m thinking of the same thing, ACC is always glitching all over the place and is real holographic, Also 4090.
Gt7 on ps5 is another world
To make this comparison you HAVE to include the price.....the PSVR2 and a PS5 is about $1000....The Pimax alone without the high end Pc is $1500 including the Pc its easily over 3000......so you're looking at triple the price
Did you watch to the end of the video?
For the entry price difference, I would expect that the Pimax Crystal to win, beefy PC, would mean a beefy graphics card, we're talking GBP 1.5k+, then about same for the rest of the PC.. call it GBP4.5k including head set....
As to why GT7 in PSVR isn’t 120hz, because realistically, the PS5 isn’t capable of running GT7 at 120hz without a massive degradation in quality
I'd take that tbh
Plus 90hz would be better than 60hz reprojected
Gt7 does have 120hz mode in non vr tho, I know it’s not the same as in vr but still looks just as good playing on a 4K tv
120hz mode isn't quite as good quality as 60hz mode (I've live streamed in both)
@@Kireth90hz is honestly probably where that headset should have been given the PS5s system specs. It’s not the powerhouse it’s quite made out to be, especially for VR. I really can’t see them ever reaching 120fps without dropping resolution to 1080p.
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Advice, you are doing a disservice when you are making a comparative guide not using the same track, cars or whatever. Other than the rain, they look about the same. Hence you must use the same elements. Logic and common sense mate. Thanks for making the video anyway, but sort of inconclusive
Are you kidding me? Comparing a Pimax powered by probably a RTX 4090 against a PSvr2 powered by a PS5 console?
What's next: racing a f1 car against a KIA? This video is useless.
Yes my next video is a drag race between a F1 car and the Suzuki Cappuccino 🙌🙌🙌
Dude, your technical race break downs are great and how to take corners etc. But please learn tech, hardware and graphics before talking about graphical and hardware things. You’re unintentionally misinforming people. You did it here and in the Nurburgring Forza video… I know most of your primary watchers won’t care.. and you are using a lot of generalizations. But from a tech standpoint they are not correct t generalizations.
Example: the reprojection on PSVR 2 adding blurriness on psvr2. That’s not what’s adding blurriness… that’s foveated rendering for where your eyes are looking so it can properly run the screen at 120hz to the headset, and focus on what the user is looking at to keep that part sharp. It’s not as dramatic with the headset on because your eyes don’t focus on that part… it’s a trick yea.. but it’s an effective trick.
Also.. if AC on PS5 had PSVR2 support, its graphics would probably be similar to GT7 for things like rain rendering. AC on PC is taking full advantage of your overpriced hardware you said you bought. Because you said you didn’t fully understand it all. Which is fine. I appreciate the honesty. But you’re breaking my brain with the “tech” generalizations and how wrong they are. You’re a smart dude. Please run your “tech tips” by someone. Maybe some super nerds in your discord community. Please.
No offence (I can see you are a long term subscriber), but reprojection does add perceived blurriness 100%. I interpolate footage on a daily basis so I know exactly what I'm looking at here. Foveated rendering adds a dithering effect but it's basically irrelevant in the headset because by design you are not looking at it.
My hardware isn't overpriced, I use it on a daily basis to produce these videos for you.
Very happy to hear what you have to say about specific technical differences between the two setups if you have any (you didn't provide any in this comment except incorrect statements about reprojection).
@@Kireth the hardware itself isn’t overpriced, if you bought it and built it yourself…well, GPUs are overpriced for everything right now… but that’s another discussion… but reprojection at the end of the day is not the main source of blurriness seen on psvr2. That’s more the fresnel lenses mixed with everything you’re not looking at in the foveated rendering. All running down to limitation of the hardware. Limitations that a 2022+ top end CPU from intel or AMD mixed with a 4090ti would never have. Really the drawback of your setup is how big that headset is. But that’s not what I’m worried about. That’s a pimax problem. lol. And don’t misunderstand me. Reprojection is a part of it. It’s not 100%. If anything it’s helping in the case of the ps5 hardware. Something your CPU/GPU combo on the pc is not going to be limited by. Take the Pimax and hook up to my pc with a 1080ti and I’d have to use the same reprojection tools. Probably not on my system with a 3070ti.
Oh and Glass Aspheric Lens is way sharper looking compared to Fresnel for the user. Everything being foveated by the PS in your video. Despite being lower res… was pretty sharp in your video. Obvious indirect things pixelate but I could always tell where you were looking in the headset. Those parts were pretty sharp. Even for the limited hardware and it felt like you just ignored that and called it all blurry. But for the user the fresnel will and should look blurrier.
I think, constructively speaking, in your attempt to generalize for the audience. Nuance of information gets lost. Information that can be very critical and fair to people looking at buying these products. Putting a GoKart or Mazda Miata like the PS5 vs the AlienWare SuperFormula/Diesel Truck depending on logic… can be interesting depending on scenario but leaving things out about Assetto Corsa likely having to lower rendering setting to run similarly on PSVR if it actually supported it. Be fair about the why.
The new Tempest system in iRacing for example. Probably gonna be an issue for people even with modern hardware if they don’t have the RAM or more specifically an AI processor on their system, either in the CPU or GPU… even ones that do, the lower end hardware like 3060s and below could have an interesting time. And probably also why, if iRacing does ever make it to consoles.. that system likely won’t be in the sim on said consoles til hardware refreshes with GPU/CPUS that have the AI processors…
I love the channel. But sometimes the not elaborating on what something means technically.. and using generalizations for things with more nuance and specifically being fair to both or the tech and limitations or why the limitations exist. That’s what gets me.
Nurburgring Forza video.. I’d be willing to bet that PDs work on the car rendering, since that level of detail enters the world wherever the cars go… this something PD could fix.. if they chose too.. but that LOD is carried everywhere the cars go.. so our 20-16 cars per race.. likely a limitation on the hardware due to the LOD they keep on for the cars in a live race. In VR drive next to a car with a race fuel adapter… you can read the text on the adapter in the race if close enough to the car… along with details in cars lights etc… in a live race, especially in VR this is not necessary. But it’s there. That’s the more likely answer to the stands being fairly spartan in GT7. With or without using VR. I’d argue VR exacerbates it. Then look at Forza and see models clearly pulled from earlier versions and given a slight facelift. The lights are always dead give away. But other things too. Unless in the garage, the LOD on cars aside your own are slightly lowered. Which is fine when doing 180mph down a straight with the world zipping by. Forzas team put the resources into making the world feel alive in Forza and PD put the resources into track quality and car quality. I’m sure physics engines are also at play. I also joked with your comment about tree line in GT vs Forza that “god, kaz… resources spent on cars, track itself, physics and apparently tree lines too now.. but god forbid the world actually feel alive.. sorry if I came off strong this morning. Some other life crap is effecting my mood and I just need to get a handle on it.. >
@@Kireth Your right on the tech points, though all of the em are debatable to an extent, but when you say your tech is not overpriced Hmm, well you're using it as a tool to generate income, 99% of us don't. If you add up the cost of your PC the PieMax and your Rig I am guessing somewhere well north of £6k. Tha my friend is beyond the reach of most of and for me is both overpriced and expensive.
Normally love the content but sorry buddy but that was a rubbish review. Comparing 2 different headsets on 2 different games and not even going through the massive spec differences of these. It was actually pretty pointless.
I think a lot of the psvr2 hype is cope. While I agree gt7 is great, you simply cannot have an experience like ams2 or ac with pure + vr and no reprojection. The cost difference between a ps5 and pc is much smaller than cost difference between sim gear, so I'd recommend an upgrade on computing hardware before going for wheel upgrades