If you have 110 on both legs you either have some ghost voltage, both legs are on the same breaker or both legs come off the same bus in the panel. Place your bets :)
Interesting one! Might be a splice box somewhere but there's definitely an issue between the breaker and the load. Can't imagine a clean cut somewhere, that would be luck that its not tripping the breaker. I'm guessing a loose splice somewhere.
I saw a bad buss bar underneath a 220 breaker once, I was reading the voltage but it had no current. I had to move the new breaker to a different place in the breaker panel. They DID have a nice bug and cobweb collection😄🇺🇸
Hey Stephen I have seen this situation before on this water heater I bet a mouse has chewed the wire somewhere in the wall just my opinion haven't seen you and Miss Molly in a few days hope you all was okay
There's nothing wrong with doing that if you're within the temp range of the PEX piping. Going on almost 14 years with my setup with no issues. Two different houses no less. Have you had pex melt before?
@@chrisdigital You need to check with your AHJ - many areas adopt the Uniform Plumbing Code, which prohibits PEX within 18" of the water heater (see 604.11.2.) It's probably written for gas WH, but the code doesn't make an exception for electric. Kind of a dumb rule, but the code book is full of dumb stuff that inspectors will ding you on.
@@bnasty267 interesting, here in New Hampshire maybe they don't follow it correctly. I have an indirect water heater so maybe that's the difference? I do have a 20-in copper manifold for the inlet and outlet of the domestic hot water on the tank though just because I needed to add valves it was easier to do it in copper then go to PEX. But on the heat exchanger side my hot water loop from the boiler is direct PEX right to a brass nipple. It's been totally fine. If it becomes an issue then not a big deal I guess I will just build some manifolds for that too.
Mine 80gal unit has an interrupter from DTE electric that goes bad at times. When I call them, they always tell me "But the meter is working" IS NOT THE METER
Dryer no heat, glass fusebox.. Fuses are OK, power to dryer still no good. They sent electrician out, ALUMINUM CONDUCTORS. Big bill to replace that run , ouch city.
thank you for calling ruud tech support...yeah my water heater aint heatin the water.. i see sir is it plugged in? oh.. lemme see no no its not... click
Its not getting 220 but what cost less to run electric or natural gas ? Both electric and natural gas prices have increased. I have owned both electric and natural gas water heaters but never did a price comparison. I despise both the electric and gas companies constantly fleecing the American people !!!
We've had 120/240 volt service in the US for decades. I'm curious why you refer to it as 110/220. Just curious, are you guys still on the old voltage from the 1930s where you work?
Here in NY (Long Island) nearly everyone calls it "220" as well as "110". Take a meter to a receptacle and it's 120, both legs is 240. My question, is... Why is HVAC stuff labeled 115/230? :puzzled:
Before 1950 the standard was 110/220. It was gradually increased first to 115/230, then 120/240. The reason for the delay was to keep older motors from burning out. After 20 years it was assumed the older motors would have been replaced. I have seen 1940s clock motors that burned out from the higher voltage. Many of us older people still refer to it as 110/220. Just like people still using the term "ice box" for refrigerator.
I imagine all manufacturers just ditching the electrical heaters and leaving only heat pump ones on the line to be manufactured, thinking that everyone has space and money to invest in it. What about people who have their heater set in a cold and wet basement? how will the heat pump work out then?? what if the homeowner is like me who has a very tiny house and there is no space to put a water heater with enough space for the air to circulate for the heat pump. Mine is shoved in a dark room where I keep my vegetables during winter and its like 6 square feet there and during winters its like 10'C at most there. I mean, the regulations that say we need to ditch fossil fuel in our everyday life at such a rate, its ridiculous, poor people will be the ones that suffer the most, like me and all 90% of the entire world. The rich ass fuckers don't give a shit about anything, but us peasants, who drive hondas from 2000s and live from paycheck to paycheck, suddenly there is no cheap available water heaters, no cheap gas to fill up our cars, and no money to buy the expensive supposedly "green" shit products like EVs or the god fucking damned heat pump water heaters I just can't I am loosing it...
It would be interesting if you would follow up with the electrician and let us know how he corrected the problem
maybe the circuit breaker has a problem, bad contacts inside with high restistance. if you´ll put a load on it the voltage drops.
If you have 110 on both legs you either have some ghost voltage, both legs are on the same breaker or both legs come off the same bus in the panel. Place your bets :)
Had the same
Thing happen to me. Replaced
The breaker and all was good
Yeah, but Steve measured 240V on the load side of the breaker, so there was power through the breaker 🤷♂️
Elements are wired in series he should have checked bottom element. I have seen them completely rotted to open circuit.
No power where wires enter the unit.
I have a suspicion there is a wall switch somewhere to turn the water heater off while away. It’s off.
Interesting one! Might be a splice box somewhere but there's definitely an issue between the breaker and the load. Can't imagine a clean cut somewhere, that would be luck that its not tripping the breaker. I'm guessing a loose splice somewhere.
I saw a bad buss bar underneath a 220 breaker once, I was reading the voltage but it had no current. I had to move the new breaker to a different place in the breaker panel.
They DID have a nice bug and cobweb collection😄🇺🇸
Great Video Steve!! Keep 'em coming!!
Missed watching your daily videos Steve. Welcome back.
Hey Stephen I have seen this situation before on this water heater I bet a mouse has chewed the wire somewhere in the wall just my opinion haven't seen you and Miss Molly in a few days hope you all was okay
You mean a dead mouse.
What was that paranormal activity when you panned back down on the unit at the beginning?
Good job Steve.
One leg opened up, so one side is showing up on both sides as it goes through the heating element.
Great Video. interesting call
Steve you work hard.
THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
Hey Steve and Miss Molly! Workin’ again y’all. 👍👍. Did the water heater have a disconnect?
Steve is a real workingman mama next level
I love that Pex right out of the water heater, isn’t that just special🤦🏻
There's nothing wrong with doing that if you're within the temp range of the PEX piping. Going on almost 14 years with my setup with no issues. Two different houses no less. Have you had pex melt before?
@@chrisdigital no it just a bitch when they put a tee so close and one fitting on top of another
this is not a gas fired WH, so can be piped with pex directly to it.
@@chrisdigital You need to check with your AHJ - many areas adopt the Uniform Plumbing Code, which prohibits PEX within 18" of the water heater (see 604.11.2.) It's probably written for gas WH, but the code doesn't make an exception for electric. Kind of a dumb rule, but the code book is full of dumb stuff that inspectors will ding you on.
@@bnasty267 interesting, here in New Hampshire maybe they don't follow it correctly. I have an indirect water heater so maybe that's the difference? I do have a 20-in copper manifold for the inlet and outlet of the domestic hot water on the tank though just because I needed to add valves it was easier to do it in copper then go to PEX. But on the heat exchanger side my hot water loop from the boiler is direct PEX right to a brass nipple. It's been totally fine. If it becomes an issue then not a big deal I guess I will just build some manifolds for that too.
Plugging 4825 into my electric calculator, it would cost me $986.86/year to run that thing.
Mine 80gal unit has an interrupter from DTE electric that goes bad at times. When I call them, they always tell me "But the meter is working" IS NOT THE METER
Smart move on your part Steve! 👌
Might have been a Fluffy that chewed the wire into.
We lost a garage circuit once. No juice, no tripped breaker, but there was one roasted fluffy in the crawlspace next to the wires!
Did u check continuity?
Learn a lot from your vids
You should have a fire for guy fox and film it steve put it on youtube!
I've seen an energy saving switch cause that ,, the wires inside it had melted open
i would have used ground for the lead test as well to enure that not a neutral fault
I'll have to flush water heater in Spring, find out it can't be replaced, the way things are Mamma.
Good stuff. Some good theories shared here. Where’s Miss Molly????
There S/B a switch near the water heater so you don't have to go back to the main breaker to shut off power...... The owner should know that......
Dryer no heat, glass fusebox.. Fuses are OK, power to dryer still no good. They sent electrician out, ALUMINUM CONDUCTORS. Big bill to replace that run , ouch city.
Happy Halloween
thank you for calling ruud tech support...yeah my water heater aint heatin the water.. i see sir is it plugged in? oh.. lemme see no no its not... click
Afternoon Steve.
What meter do you use.
But but you didn’t even get the cloves dirty lol
Probably has a fused disconnect some where in that craw space that blow out
Its not getting 220 but what cost less to run electric or natural gas ?
Both electric and natural gas prices have increased. I have owned both electric and natural gas water heaters but never did a price comparison. I despise both the electric and gas companies
constantly fleecing the American people !!!
Hello Steve
I didn't hear any comments about the PEX !!
The mice droppings might have been a clue. They like to chew insulation. Maybe a connection was not tight to begin with and worked loose.
Can a plumber have an electrical license without being a plimber?
You have a new meter
Hello Steve!
How's it goin Steve
3:31 Queer!!!!! :D
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Hey Steve
We've had 120/240 volt service in the US for decades.
I'm curious why you refer to it as 110/220.
Just curious, are you guys still on the old voltage from the 1930s where you work?
No he's not, it's just something people say. Voltage can vary quite a bit in the US though , especially for customers as the end of the line.
it's a generic term as voltage actually varies quite a bit depending on how far from a transformer you are...
Here in NY (Long Island) nearly everyone calls it "220" as well as "110". Take a meter to a receptacle and it's 120, both legs is 240. My question, is... Why is HVAC stuff labeled 115/230? :puzzled:
Before 1950 the standard was 110/220. It was gradually increased first to 115/230, then 120/240. The reason for the delay was to keep older motors from burning out. After 20 years it was assumed the older motors would have been replaced. I have seen 1940s clock motors that burned out from the higher voltage. Many of us older people still refer to it as 110/220. Just like people still using the term "ice box" for refrigerator.
@@dfirth224 Exactly, or the same as calling a breaker box a fuse box.
welp you do what you can... :o)
Breaker
I imagine all manufacturers just ditching the electrical heaters and leaving only heat pump ones on the line to be manufactured, thinking that everyone has space and money to invest in it. What about people who have their heater set in a cold and wet basement? how will the heat pump work out then?? what if the homeowner is like me who has a very tiny house and there is no space to put a water heater with enough space for the air to circulate for the heat pump. Mine is shoved in a dark room where I keep my vegetables during winter and its like 6 square feet there and during winters its like 10'C at most there. I mean, the regulations that say we need to ditch fossil fuel in our everyday life at such a rate, its ridiculous, poor people will be the ones that suffer the most, like me and all 90% of the entire world. The rich ass fuckers don't give a shit about anything, but us peasants, who drive hondas from 2000s and live from paycheck to paycheck, suddenly there is no cheap available water heaters, no cheap gas to fill up our cars, and no money to buy the expensive supposedly "green" shit products like EVs or the god fucking damned heat pump water heaters I just can't I am loosing it...
He's back! That's a weird problem. She's a queer one mamma!
Somethin queer momma,not my job,call somebody else.
I think code in MA requires a disconnect switch for the heater at the heater too. Didn’t see one there.
i think if the breaker is in sight of the heater you dont need another disconnect...
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