I don't think fighting amongst the community or supporting the latest fomo helps. as I say in the video, the games naturally makes us content creators hype up the latest things. Instead i believe the best way of combating this is knowing how to avoid the hype whilst learning to improve your favourites and account.
I can understand your POV, but at the same time I never really felt like I needed to invest in my favourite characters in Genshin in particular like that, the endgame is already easy and if I have to struggle a bit more to get good clears it makes it more fun and I can try out different teams as well (although at a certain point benching certain characters becomes easy as well). Maybe in starrail there is that incentive, but definitely not in Genshin.
@jamiekb9v “As the Executive Manager of Limbus Company. lead your group of twelve Sinners venture into the buried facilities of Lobotomy Corporation, and lay claim on the Golden Boughs.” One of the standouts is that you don’t take any damage from must attacks if you win that battle and the fights are challenging, even if you have the SS tier unit, with one of the best stories in gaming in general.
Fwiw I agree with the overall point of "don't get too sucked into hype around the new thing". IMO the difference is that in Genshin, as long as you don't pull for every new character, it's pretty reasonable to get the characters you like and something close to their best in slot team. It's not too hard to keep up with. Star Rail has faster number powercreep, more new unit releases, more team-specific best in slot supports, and more different modes you might want a unit for (Pure Fiction in particular). I've never felt like it mattered almost at all when I missed a unit I wanted in Genshin, it's only happened like once or twice in three years and it was never a big deal. In Star Rail it's already been at least three times and feels awful every time. And if anything I've pulled for more new DPS characters in Genshin.
I'm not sure I agree with that - what power disparity is there is just more tangible since HSR actually has endgame content that stresses it. There are definitely characters that struggle - Seele is a sad state (though you could say the same about plenty of early Genshin limiteds), but SR also does a half decent job of dragging old characters back up. Sunday was a strong support that released, but his release has dragged Jing Yuan - one of the first limited 5* dps released up to a competetive spot, Big Herta looks like she might be helping Serval see some light for the first time despite being a launch character. If Genshin actually had more endgame content I think how dupstered the older characters are and how rare it is for any of them to be dragged up by new releases would be far worse than what SR has going on.
Yeah, I can still clear abyss with Keqing Fischl Kazuha and YaoYao. The four stars big five are really god sent. Meanwhile, in HSR I can hardly use my 1.X teams anymore, they are just not strong enough for the current endgame.
Star rail is a much more numerical game (it being turn based and all) so it makes sense that people feel the pressure there, but in Genshin I've always felt like everything works. Some things take more resets than others to make a clear happen, but old characters are still clearing the abyss just fine so I don't understand why people feel like they must improve their already OP teams just to have 45 seconds left on the clock instead of 30.
honestly i still like my Bennet, XL, XQ and Kazuha. its the best and most team i use for event. also my best team for that platinum challenge if it has one.
Literally just boredom, wanting something new to play. If it was about power they'd just throw a couple constellations on their current DPS and spare themselves months of artifact farming
feel like it’s much worse in hsr though. a lot of the endgame has started to use the best teams as a baseline to make the content harder, to prevent characters like acheron from doing 1M damage and oneshotting the boss .. just imagine how bad it is for weaker characters. yea, you can use f2p characters or older 5 star units but they’re practically nothing without their most op supports (rip dot team) even with insane investment bc of the hp inflation in this game, it’ll get worse and worse as they create newer insane kits manipulating battle mechanics to generate hype and then pay the price by making content unbeatable
@@theropayer2532 yeah it’s definitely way worse in HSR, in Genshin I’ve always pulled who I like the most and just try to get them a nice team. In HSR your fave gets left behind so fast, and the fast meta changes were too much. Plus they release a ton of characters that are barely relevant on the overall story, I had been playing since launch and I already quit, really didn’t feel like putting effort in keeping up with a game, and gacha of all things 💀
In my opinion, Genshin powercreep, while real, isn't actually that bad. I can still clear the content with my Ganyu, even though she's an "old" character (with good artifacts, weapon and team). I don't think you could do that in Star Rail: an E0S1 DHIL with Sparkle, Robin and Fu Xuan can't really clear fast enough to get all stars in MoC imo. Do with that as you will. I might also add that with Imaginarium Theater, characters that don't see that much play aren't useless because this mode encourages horizontal investment; my Hu Tao hasn't seen that much play in Abyss recently, but every IT that has Pryo I get her out, because she's still good enough. I think you get the point.
I bet my whole life you can clear with that team on 2nd half. What are you on? Lol I run Seele second half. Yes, S E E L E. 2 cycles, though tbf it is E1S1 Robin, so let's say it was 3 cycles if E0S0.
@@violet_lilacTrue. Powercreep = HP inflation isn't really the best answer. It's the environment and the enemy compositions that should be taken note of. Sure there are things that really made 1.x units like Seele, DHIL, Jingliu fall off, but they come out every now and then because the current enemy lineup and buffs favor them. People also shat on DoT being also powercrept but when it's DoT pure fiction or there are buffs in Apoc that favor them then they kinda go back in the limelight. If the boss also favors the character (e.g. Boothill against Aventurine boss, Yunli vs Kafka or Hoolay, Seele vs True Sting, Firefly vs Puppet Trio, etc.) then they would certainly pop off.
For what its worth, Genshin has always been great at handling powercreep and really its because of units like Bennett. For how much the playerbase bemoans his existence, him and units like Fischl and XQ provide an incredibly important service, that being extremely strong baselines for accounts. Almost everyone has a Bennett, a XQ, a Fischl, and with these core units, no matter what 5 star you have, you can make them work regardless. Its a safety net which keeps the 5 star supports in check. Thats why Star Rail feels so harsh with its powercreep. Because it completely lacks those really strong, versitile 4 stars that create a baseline of account power, and in its place are extremely overtuned supports that become borderline necessary for team comps. Want to use any Break Dps? Better have Ruan Mei, wanna play FuA, better have pulled Robin and Aventurine, want to use that shiny new Rememberance path? Did you remember to pull Sunday before he left? Its the complete lack of options. Sure, people complain about lack of Bennett alternatives, but thats a minor inconvenience as opposed to the crippling flaw that it would be in Star Rail. Furthermore, Star Rail has massive HP bloat. Teams that used to dominate the end game now are struggling to even get by and now need to dedicate resources to a new character just to keep their old teams competitive. Genshin doesn't have this problem. Hu Tao is still as strong as she always was, even with stronger options in her class shes still more than enough for endgame. Star Rail cant say the same.
@@депресијагејмер tbf, Eula and Ganyu are less about Powercreep and more so a lack of support in Eulas case and the game really not liking freeze for Ganyu. Hu Taos still doing well enough, especially with modern supports like Furina, Citlali, etc
@@thegamewoods8473 agreed about hu tao but eula's main source of damage takes like ages to charge after bursting whereas mauvika is just doing more damage in an instant with her burst, without any er requirements... ganyu pretty similar as her damage takes a lot (aiming, high er periodic application, high-value supports) to optimize whereas neuvilette is just doing her damage with barely any optimization
I think most of this will fall on deaf ears. A lot of people have to learn about FOMO the hard way. I started Genshin knowing I should be and thinking I would be selective with my pulls but still eventually fell for the hype on a character I've never enjoyed playing.
ahahaha true, i fall for that Fomo for Yae Miko, also because the JP VA too. but till now Yae didnt really have that much appear and not really i enjoy it playing her.
@el7284 I'm F2P, and having a plan has allowed me to stay on top of the meta for nearly 3 years now. If Im unable to spend money on the game, I just use my brain and dedicate a lot of time to get the results I want. And it never failed me once.
The thing is i dont actually play with the characters in hsr, i just watch them play on auto battle, so i feel much less encouraged to actually pull. For Genshin or wuwa, liking a character play style means much more, at least for me…
I don't understand you lot honestly like?? if you don't bother to play the game and just doing everything auto might as well uninstalled the game? no Playing the game by not playing the game? Where's the fun in that?
@@edimasv4581 yeah that's why i'm thinking of dropping actually. the only reason im still sticking around is to farm jade for the fate collab lol. ~500 pulls and counting now.
HSR powercreep is not even close to Genshin. HSR released 2 broken characters with broken light cones every patch, while Genshin very rarely has 2 new characters per patch. Sadly, HSR endgame will be designed and scaled around this new character, which will become a struggle the more you skip a character. And YOU WILL skip characters unless you spend a lot of money in the game. Honestly, my urge to drop HSR is getting bigger with each patch. If nothing changes by the time Arknight Endfield comes, I'll drop this game.
I still remember pulling Klee because I just like her, and every time I play her team I just smile because the idea of a small child with massive nukes going fishblasting in the lake is just too funny for me. I do not regret her one bit even though some people think she's clunky and too fragile. Try juggling some geovishaps with explosions and then you tell me if you're not having a great time. I always follow the same rules for every character I want to pull: it needs to be a character I like and have a gameplay that I can enjoy. The amount of character that satisfy both become so little that I never had primo problems ever
People see Mavuika as varying forms of DPS Powercreep. I see Mavuika as finally the Xiangling that works in more teams without 3000 ER. The Pyro I was looking for as an alternative to Dehya for Melt Aloy. We are not the same.
Preach I have had no interest in her dps playstyle however shes been a godsend support in like 6 of my teams and not needing 300er to be effective is the absolute best
It's like how people will likely pull her c1 now for the damage boost while I'll pull her c1 on her rerun to get maximum hold skill uptime where there's no phlogiston, long after the Natlan arc has ended. DPS cap is temporary, bike is forever.
I've stopped getting Constellations in Genshin and stopped spending in Star Rail because I've realized it's not worth it for me anymore. I can already clear anything with ease, so I don't see the point in getting C2 Mavuika when she's already competing with my C2+ characters. Even if she was a bit weaker, I still 36-star at the end of the day so why does it matter 😂 P.S: Not shitting on how anyone else plays the game btw, I love watching low-to-high-cost runs but I've set a bar for myself that I don't want to cross
There is one thing I didn't think of when I was still pulling C2 in the old days. It makes new characters without C2 less valuable. You are trapped in the money sink. Nowadays I pull C1 max and in ZZZ I don't pull constellation/cinema anymore
I'm at the opposite. Because my primogems is overflowing, I started getting cons since Fontaine. Yes they didn't really help for clearing Abyss / IT since we can do it with C0, but it gives a bit of QoL like Furina C2 or Arle/Clorinde C1, and a sense of special waifu / husbandos. It's a gacha game after all, a game about getting waifus / husbandos, rather than having my primo collecting dust, might as well spend them for cons and flex Citlali AoE shield or Arle instant Blood Debt in co-op 😂. Note: I rarely pull, only pulled on a few select waifus.
FOMO in Genshin is generally very mild since characters tend to have a wide range of Team Comp options and even if you don't have the premium option the difference is very minimal. In HSR a DPS is lucky to have more than one Team option, and even when they do they are still stuck with a single Support option since the game insists on never releasing side-grades or 4 Star options for premium options (Robin is the only FuA Support, Ruam Mei is the only Break Support, Sunday is the only Summon Support, etc...) which increases the pressure on you to go after premium supports even more since if you don't have them you're screwed.
I feel like in star rail the game gives a lot of FOMO, while with Genshin it's more the community. People being pressed that you need to pull Xilonen, that Furina is a must for abyss, that Mavuika can't be skipped, Neuvillette is must pull... It's so so easy to 36* abyss without pulling all the top meta characters or keeping up with the latest gimmicks, but with the way people make fun of weaker units and praise the shiny new thing, it's easy to see why so many people fall for FOMO regardless.
That's really true. The elemental system in genshin makes it so you have more options for finding synergy between different characters, but in HSR everything is tied to what team archetype your dps is, path and element really don't matter anymore.
I'm a little hesitant to lump Genshin and HSR together in this respect because the rate of powercreep is somewhat different between them. Genshin's had a rise in Abyss enemy HP by roughly 60% since 4.0, and at the current pace is averaging a year-on-year rise of about 30-50% per year. This is in the range where if you like a character and want to keep using them, you can keep up with the pace through vertical investment in constellations, signature, supports, etc. Most forms of vertical investment these days clock in around 20% DPS per pity (i.e. this is around where a "good" constellation or signature weapon land, with the best ones being even higher than this), so if you really like a character, even if they get powercrept, it's not unreasonable to keep investing in them and keep using them over the course of several years by investing into them. HSR's year-on-year rise in enemy HP in the endgame modes has by contrast been around 200-300%, while not really having vertical investment options that corresponds to such a larger increase--constellations and signature light cones still clock in around that 20% range. This means that if 3.x doesn't slow down the rate at which these modes inflate HP, it becomes much harder to continue using a character beyond their second year, even with vertical investment. New supports and new teams help--but they can only do so much if the next year represents *another* 200-300% inflation. Investing heavily in your favorites help to alleviate this in the short term, but does not ultimately help in the long-term when the rate of inflation exceeds the improvement offered by vertical investment. The rate of increase is...concerning, even if it's not necessarily a problem for people yet. It's just hard to see HSR ending up in a spot like Genshin where 1.x DPSes like Hu Tao and Xiao are still good 4-5 years later (even if they aren't the best anymore) simply because of this rate of increase. Like even as well as Jing Yuan has aged with new supports and teams, it's still hard to envision him being able to keep up if MoC enemy HP is 800-1000% higher than it is now--which is where it will be if the current pace continues. If Hoyo drastically slows down the rate of increase through 3.x, it's a different story, but thus far there are no signs that Hoyo even sees this as something that needs to change.
I agree with your points in general however i dont think it is pertinent to the point of the video, which is that both games are increasing the fomo and releasing stronger characters yet we as a community need to avoid falling for it and chasing every new toy. gacha game gonna gacha game, we need to be strong.
@@jamiekb9v Stronger characters than what ? Furina xilonen and kazuha is still the strongest characters in the game , hyperbloom still can easily clear all content assuming you have nahida
You can't just look at the HP numbers in a vacuum for HSR. The HP numbers are balanced around the blessing, and it is expected that you are abusing the blessing as part of your strategy. For example, in the current MoC the swarm bug has ~3.3 million HP between its two phases, but killing a trotter deals ~140k damage. So let's say you kill 10 trotters over the course of 5 cycles, then that is over 1.4 million damage just from trotters, or over 40 percent of the boss's total HP. So the "insane HP inflation" that there appears to be on paper is to some extent illusory. That said, the HP inflation is obviously quite noticeable even when accounting for the blessing. But it's not as extreme as people make it out to be. I full starred this MoC 12 with DoT (5 cost) first half and Jingliu (6 cost) second half. Based on your napkin math, I literally should not be able to clear with these old characters, but I did.
Actually it means there is illusion of choice. If you take an old character you need more vertical investments to make it relevant and it has shorter lifespan. So only the latest character exists. Until you meet your favourite character which you would like to play forever you have to chase the meta. HP inflation practice must be treated as a fraud. Like Apple artificially slows down iPhones with iOS updates to sell a new model. Difficulty of end game content must be rebalanced each time depending on your selected characters.
The fomo is strong with Genshin's phase 1 and people talking about Citlali is Cryo and she will receive Shenhe treatment makes people more fomo but personally I feel she won't get that treatment because she looks like generating revenue for Hoyo.
Yeah, it's funny how people think Genshin doesn't like Cryo, when really they don't like characters that underperform. If Skirk does well, and she should, then she will absolutely get rerun as often as other successful characters (Hu Tao, Yelan, Raiden, etc.)
@@wallacehoward2792 its even funnier remember the Inazuma meta time when people where complaining that Ayaka didn't need other buff in form of Shenhe because cryo was super broken
@@wallacehoward2792 underperform as in sales then why are they running stuff like alhaitham,lyney,baizhu, ayato,cyno,itto,yoimia,wanderer and so on we have buch of underpeforming units yet mostly only the cryo ones take forever to rerun and on avrage have the lowest amount of reruns
@@erronblack3462 thats because they know that cryo isnt winning in the meta rn thats why they havent rerun them becauase they know that most wont pull. Thats common sense if youre running a business. Since we'll be heading to snezhnaya expect for cryo to be the leading element in months. The characters you listed are units who still excel in their niche well except for ayato, yoimiya and wanderer. Cryo with freeze and reverse melt isnt in the best spot right now
There is a difference between getting a character because they do something new or because they are a good alternative to a character you already have and thus being able to free that character to another team in Genshin and having to pull for a character because they are the only character that fits the team that you already spent a lot of resources to abandon in Star Rail I got Mavuika and Citlali because they are good alternatives to Xiangling and Zhongli while in Star Rail I don't have Ruan Mei and because of that my break teams are mediocre and I have no alternatives
also while in Genshin I still have fun playing with Hu Tao and Keqing in the abyss, IT and battle events in Star rail my Blade and Jingliu have cobwebs all over them because they are no longer able to complete the challenges the game throws at me and from my understanding FOMO was about content and not characters, Genshin has FOMO with its limited events
@@Keiki-kun Ahhhh thats quite reasonable and solid argument. the Limited time event especially with those special character quest prize and 500 primo for doing story and exploration. But if Genshin the only gacha game you play i think those kind of Fomo wont that big matter. even you have 7-8 hour office work its still doable since you can play it with phone. but yea if you have familly and playing this game, look at the missing rewards will be...... yea not feel that good.
@@Keiki-kunwell you do have an alternative and that's fugue well ofc the 50% break effiency Is locked by C1 but She's Better than ruan mei at e0 in break teams and gets even better at e1,so If you don't have her go for Her since RMC true Dmg goes in combo with Her meaning that characters like FF rappa etc can benefits from that.
I recently quit Star Rail because the constant increase in difficulty was getting too frustrating. Seeing all my characters that I liked becoming nearly useless and even top tier meta teams were being intentionally countered to sell whatever new character. And I hadn't enjoyed the story in a long time... So I dropped it. /shrug
honestly that good choice, my friend also who i think really lucky with his pull and able to gather Feixiaobteam withn a month (he got Feixiao, Topaz with LC, Robin, and Aven) feels presure and cant clear end game content becuase his 2nd team not that strong agains this Super Break Meta. i do told him play at your own pace we been play genshin together and i mostly coop with him in VC talking random stuff. but when we doing like MoC and PF i can feels the frustation in his voice. And he just drop the game because its no longer fun for him. That maybe the reason he droping but i think the core reason because im introduce him to Balatro 😂
I did the same. I wasn't even struggling with content I just saw the constant increase and hp and knew where the game was going. Seeing my previous 1-2 cycle clears turn to 6 put me off.
honestly i'm getting close to dropping HSR myself. i love the lore in it but the powercreep is brutal. it's just painful to pull for a character you like, spend so much time spelunking to get good relics, and see them fall off meta just as you get good stats. i've dropped it before and picked it back up for ratio, but i'll probably drop it again soon if amphoreus storyline doesn't pique my interest.
And they are exploring unbreakable enemies next patch, 2 weeks after Fugue mind you. Hsr is disgusting and people fail to see that it's Hoyo's most notorious game in greediness. The amount of premium currency relative to the number of limited units released is the lowest among their main gacha games.
Grinding mats is already hard enough (especially mora), so I naturally just leaned into vertically investing on my favourites, and even making different builds for them so things don't get stale. I find myself giving up early whenever I try to build characters that I just don't care for.
For real. Am important point that some ppl miss is that when they advice for a player to "pull who you want" (thankfully jamie didn't) is that you are responsible to then keep pulling any future new better supports/weapons/sets and even some early cons over time if you want that character to in the long term still be able to comfortably clear endgame like in ver 12.4 for example. Not talking anything crazy here like c6 but 1.0 c0 wgs dulic main for example finding difficulty clearing abyss in 5.3 shouldnt be surprised if they r running him with fischl/bennett/xinqui still. A worst case senerino example im sure but a nice way i think of this is like an old school final fantasy-like RPG inwhich you always have your MC playable but during your quest you meet new teammates so overtime the game loop is continuing lvling your MC while slowly replacing your supports with the newer stronger ones
The 1 thing that keeps Genshin from feeling as powercrept as Star Rail is just the kind of game it is. With Genshin the "feel" and gameplay of a character matters just as much as raw numerical value. But in HSR there isn't that "feel" factor that needs to be accounted for when designing characters kits. So the only way to actually get people to get new characters is to numerically powercreep them. Neuvillette and Mualani are a prime example. Sure Mualani can hit bigger nukes than Neuv and is better than him in Speedrun content, but the comfort and ease of use Neuvillettes gameplay provides is more valuable to most people. So the powercreep feels less agregious.
The cryo on field dps is even more unique experience lmao. There are Eula, Ayaka, Ganyu, and Wriothesley. Literally NONE of them have similar playstyle
On that point as well, Mualani and Neuvi's playstyles feel different enough to where their difference in damage output doesn't matter quite as much as which gameplay feels more fun. I personally play Mualani more than Neuvi these days but that's definitely my personal preference haha
I've taken breaks in both GI and HSR, and the difference between returning player experience is so wild it's hard to think these games are from the same company lol taking a few months off before returning in Natlan, I don't have any problems with my good old Raiden National and NaXingKu team. But returning in 2.1 HSR after a few months with Kafka and Jingliu as invested characters was really miserable, as they don't really feel good to play in 2.x patches lol
I start playing genshin in 3.5 and during that time I had to plan who to pull and when I was searching for advice I saw your "pull who you like" video and I liked it a lot and was useful to have and idea to how I should ve take the game back then However I ended up pulling only my favorites C0R0 and others character I liked to make a viable team with them without following the meta for both star rail and genshin. So in the end my answer to enjoy those games is just collecting my fav (I like most of the existing roaster😅), and with what I have finding their best team to play I don't have problem clearing the endgame anyway Sorry for the yap and thanks for sharing your point of view with this kind of video!
As a veteran, concentrate on pulling the best supports only, or new ones such xilonen wich is clear the will be impactful. Once you level and save enough, wait for s new dps and ride the wave of the best team for at least s year in abyss.
Players don't realize how much planning your wishes helps in the long run. I have gotten C3 Raiden, C2 Nahida, C2 Furina, and C0R1 of Ayaka, Xilonen, Mavuika, and Citlali as a F2P player. It took years, sure, but if you really want to dedicate a lot of time into this game, then start saving for units you actually NEED. Bennett and Xiangling are always in the monthly shop rotating twice a year, so exchanging your starglitters for constellations rather than 6 wishes will help you in the long run. Theres no need to meticulously plan everything, but knowing what you need and having a proper goal instead of pulling whenever you have 160 primogems will show results.
@@tufol33k78 Yep with all the doomposting about Acheron all you had to do was pull Jiaoqiu and she lasted from 2.1 to 2.7 at the very lesat if we look at the early access 3.0 MOC than Acheron is good there as well. I never seen so many people malding about pulling a male character until I played Star Rail.
@@hiimapop7755 It's not about planning. All these things depend on luck. The fact that you managed to collect many characters and constellations for them while being f2p does not mean that others will be able to do the same. There are people who get a character on 80 pulls, and also lose on Qiqi. There can be no talk of any constellations when you can't even get a character. And in addition to characters, you also want weapons. No need to talk about planning and blaming other players for ignorance or inability when luck is on your side. And also, for players who have been playing since release, collecting so many characters, weapons and broken constellations is even easier. How long have you been playing?
@@kianamain-sp he literally said it took years. And you can still plan around your luck if you don't want constellations. The pull averages for weapons and characters have been known for ages. All you have to do is allocate a higher average for our long term pulls, and then hope for good luck.
@@agiant5715 to be completely fair towards Hi3 (i was a former player myself), the "powercreep" in that game is only within the context of reaching top 1% of the leaderboards in their version of abyss. If we're talking "just clearing for max gacha currency rewards", you do not need even high leaderboard placements, you just need to clear within the time limit. The powercreep in this context is more bearable for f2p/low spenders, you can play whatever teams you like as long as they have actual synergy. The leaderboard chasers are those who want special in-game "emblems" that give small powerup that can carry over to subsequent "abyss resets", and other in-game rewards (NO EXTRA GACHA CURRENCY).
@adriandaliva1341 oooh so that's what the so-called "PVP" is. While i didnt play it, i heard PGR has a similar system inwhich there is a server wide leaderbored ingame for the fastest clear times. Competition brings drive which is why i love CSGO but when p2w is involved it honestly sucks even thou as you said, the reward doesn't matter anyways if your already good enough tobe to 1% in the lbs, u dont need the power buff anyways.
@@adriandaliva1341 yep that was my thoughts in this video. in hi3, you could still maintain agony ranks with scuffed investment in recent characters, cause the new characters were both good and heavily shilled with the current content. despite that, if you actually wanted to be competitive and go for nirvana and t100 thats when u had to give into the fomo banner tactics and get the proper investment. so even though genshin and hsr don't have pvp, and the fomo isn't quite on the level of hi3 yet, it reminded me of similar arguments.
even tho we don’t need this power in genshin it’s still very enticing for players to pull them now. especially with the cryo curse. or even characters like xianyun not rerunning
I think overall I'm just a bit disappointed by the recent choices in Genshin and HSR in terms of character releases, powercreep, etc.,. In Genshin for the first time we have two new characters releasing in the same half who have each other as their best teammate by a significant margin. And in HSR we have had a level of HP inflation in recent months that has eclipsed anything we've seen so far. Overall we can always say "just wait" or "don't get baited" but I think Hoyo has definitely ramped up the FOMO in both of their games to an unprecedented level in the past patches thanks to their design and banner choices. I think one thing that might need to be mentioned is that going vertical might actually make FOMO even worse if you're focused on getting "the best" teams because while it might give you a bit of a buffer damage-wise, it means if you are susceptible to trying to get the next best team then you might actually feel even more pressured to vertically invest in that new team so that it actually does more damage than your existing team. For example you might go for C1 Arle, then realize that C0 Mav isn't better but C0R1 or C2 Mav is so you go for that, then the next best DPS comes out but only beats C2 Mav at C2 as well so you go for that, etc., etc.,. It's a very expensive and dangerous hole to fall into, that's also accentuated by how early cons are a lot better than others. If you go for C2 Mav for example the rest of her cons are a lot less valuable and you hit diminishing returns for further vertical investment. That basically means after a certain point the pressure to just throw your old DPS out for a new one who does more vs just throwing more primos into a vertical investment black hole becomes more tempting. There's also the fact that low cons and especially C6 is a lot more prone to powercreep than C0 in Genshin, where from 2.0 to 5.0 C6 DPS has literally quintupled. Of course someone can say "well it's your fault" for falling for FOMO. But Gacha is literally a psychological game between the devs and players, one which devs always come out on top (or else they wouldn't make the huge wads of money they do). It's not that going for the best is required, but it's no surprise that players want the strongest characters or teams anyways. For many players, the enjoyment of the game itself is building strong teams and clearing the hardest content intrinsically, not just to collect 50 primogems or stellar jades or whatever.
I don't see the problem in how yeah a new character at lower invest will be better than the old one that's how they get you. But generally speaking you would choose the character you actually like and enjoy rather than seeing an extra 10% dmg when both characters can comfortably clear end game content
idk about hsr, but for genshin, most older teams are still capable of clearing abyss 36* so unless u cant 36*, imo the real question is, why are you pulling in the first place?
Exactly this! Its not that is the fault of the players for feeling FOMO, is that the game is build up like that. It affects some people and from the affected only a portion will fall for it, but when you do it will get highly addictive. I love Genshin (never tried HSR) but the gacha model as a whole feels like a never ending fight that players will always lose and it makes me sad how as a community we argue with each other instead of acknowledge all the good and bad things this game have....
zzz also starting to be like them with Miyabi release +m2 bait and mustpull signature and on next patch they gonna release her bis support Astra Yao. I feel like hoyo starting to be corrupted with capitalism
Thats why as F2P it's better to invest in support chars than in DPS. I have only C2 Nahida and C2 Furina and am happy about that i can use them in many teams. (Also i have C1 HuTao and C1 Neuvi comfort bait for me as mobile player..). But so i don't feel that sorry to pull a newer DPS i like. Maybe some day pull Constellations on Citlali too but after lost 50/50s on both Mavuika and Citlali, no primos left and now have to save for Snezhnaya 😅
Other players in 2025: Pull Mauvika to play the most powerful team Me in 2025: Farming Oceanid because i've never played Morgana and it sounds really fun if we get a swirl (therefore likely freeze) friendly abyss with Mizuki
I think that there's going to be swarms of hydro enemies next year because of the electrocharged and shatter buff. 3.0 adjustments to hydro resonance were a year in advance. Thanks for adding another note to my conspiracy board
Powercreep in Dokkan last year is quite wild, now every units need at least 30 mil damage per super attack and guard with damage reduction to make them good enough. Now I'm terrified about how much more powercreep inflation on their 10th anniversary this month..
I stopped playing Dokkan right about when I started playing Genshin in 3.2, and I truly have no regrets. Not only is Dokkan a pretty bad game overall now that I look back on it, which as a Dragon Ball fan I could close my eyes on to an extent and just treat it as a card collection ig, but the powercreep really took a turn for the worst around the time I left. My brother still plays to this day and I sometimes see stuff about the new units and endgame, and yeah, the HP/damage inflation is unfathomable. Characters who were super meta back then, are now absolute dogshit despite getting very direct buffs in the meantime in the form of an awakening, if not several awakenings I still remember the era when the powercreep was slow enough that TEC Gohan remained a god tier unit for like 3 years in a row, and then remained relevant for 1 or 2 additional years despite his low damage, just because of how rare his defensive features were at the time (guard + greatly stacking defense). Nowadays, if a new character/awakening doesn't have guard or 50+% dmg reduction AND insane defensive values in their kit, they're dead on release - literally, they'll get oneshot in any recent endgame content. Oh and they should also deal some good dmg too, nothing crazy, just a few DOZENS OF MILLIONS per super attack (and the ability to get multiple super attacks ofc, and guaranteed crits as well because why not ?) It's so funny because when I was still a quite new Dokkan player, I remember getting the free Goku and Vegeta SSRs from the Broly movie event (around 2018 - 2019 I believe ?) and thinking that they were great F2P options with their 50K def stat and maybe 100K damage on SA... and I'm not even an OG player, the true OG ones will tell you that they used to play characters who couldn't even reach 10K damage and had virtually no defense to speak of, but who were super meta at the time lmao
Great video. Especially for a newer player they would feel the push for needing the to hyper horizontal invest in every new dps and support (like getting emilie for kinich) meanwhile an older ver 2.0 player like me can still clear with a bit vertical invested ayaka freeze comp or a simple melt ganyu team so i know chasing the new shiny dps for the highest dmg screenshot or dpr isnt as important in the long run. As what jamie said, play who you want and dont ever shy about skipping the new shinny new character to vertically invest a bit on someone who you actually enjoy because with how the genshin meta is, it would probably go back a full circle and now your "powercrepted" old favourite character now does almost the same dmg as the newest shiniest new hyped team just by replacing 1 or 2 supports.
i am not denying that this type of hyping the next thing every time can be bad, but for me its actually kinda what i enjoy about genshin and what gives it longevity for me. i really like to "get into the ecosystem" of a new nation, getting a carry and then perfecting that team over the duration of the version. i pulled for mualani knowing her teams at the time sucked and i would be replacing everyone soon, i built kachina and shortly after replaced her with xilonen, built dehya and replaced her with mavuika. basically i am trapping myself in this team so i have stuff to do. did the same with neuvilette during fontaine hope this makes sense idk if im crazy here
Agreed completely. Pulling for new characters is fun. I don't care if I won't play them anymore next year because I'd be using new characters. I'm still having fun lol.
Pulling for new characters and getting into community hype is fun. I don't care if I won't play them anymore next year because of new characters. I'd still be having fun then lol.
Firefly LC is the one exception. I would not pull that thing. I would rather get her E1 because it has more long term utility. I got lucky and got E2 FF and that is absolutely crazy. E2 FF just dumpsters on most of my other teams that are even more expensive. E2 FF, E0 Ruan Mei, E6 HMC, and E6 Gallagher will clear just about everything this game can throw at you currently. Only weakness lock shuts you down. That is only a 4 cost team. A lot of other so called F2P level teams like E0S1 Feixiao, E0S0 Robin, Hunt March7th, and Aventurine are the same cost yet I consider the E2 FF team stronger.
they should have just made the banners run the whole patch like ZZZ. then just put arlechinno and clorinde after lantern rite. as for HSR I gave up on that game more because of the artifact system than the character power creep. I just really hate how artifacts and sets work in HSR. I just wish all 3 games were like ZZZ artifacts then I would be happy.
I fell for the hype and pulled on Xianyun, Sunday, Hu Tao, and Mavuika to a lower extent. I pulled on Hu Tao's rerun even though I had an invested Raiden International team and even a Yoimiya because of the supposed damage difference even though it ended up being a matter of one extra rotation in the best case scenario. Both my Sunday and Xianyun have yet to be used in endgame content and I pulled both on the promise that they unlock new gameplay teams instead of what my account has at the time. Feels pretty bad man.
Important thing is to reflect on what happened and what you'd like to do different in the future. Lots of people have gotten carried away by FOMO, unfortunately, but it doesn't need to happen a next time.
Almost everything you said makes sense (Xianyun especially resonated with me) except for Sunday.. and tbh I don't even like the dude. But who do you use in hsr? Cuz he really is that good, he's BIS on genuinely almost every team except for Break or DoT
Mihoyo makes money farms which on the first glance resemble good looking games. And recently all the cattle woke up and started complaining that they don't like to be milked. I'll tell guys a secret - Genshin needs maybe 2-5 mil per month maximum to be a sucessful/profitable business, yet they still chose to overmonetize the game (which directly ruins the gameplay quality) for massive overprofits (same thing in all other Hoyo products).
Amazing take imo. My philosophy is always to pull and build the teams that feel the most ”complete” and good feeling teams. And I mostly pull vertical investments for that purpose, to make characters more universal or stronger in new areas. I also try to not pull too many things with conflicting teamates. Like I skipped Arlechinno completely and I am SO happy how that turned out for me, since I like Mavuika a lot more, and those two wouldnt be well to play on two sides of the abyss. And a hot take, I never really liked Arlechinno as a character, so im glad I didnt buy into her hype, since I enjoy Mavuika a lot more, so I am feeling better about vertically investing into her.
My genshin account is incredibly lucky. I've never regretted any characters that I've pulled, except for maybe Childe because I was clueless back then. I pulled basically all the hype characters like the Archons, Arle, etc. None of which I regretted or didn't enjoy playing. All of the characters in my account are useful in some way, and even if their role might be redundant with the other characters I have, I still find enjoyment out of everything. My rule of thumb is either the character is a much needed support for my acc or that I like the character (design/personality/story) enough for me to pull. Since I'm also invested in the story, my pulls naturally went into the most interesting character from the story. No FOMO for me. As an f2p and a long time player, I can comfortably clear this game end game content and just pull whoever I want.
I pulled Mavuika because I liked her from her first appearance in the Natlan storyline and because I like collecting tall and beautiful women on my account. I took Citlali because cryo is my favorite element (Eula and Ayaka's main is in touch). It so happened that Hoyo decided to put two interesting characters for me on one banner. If Skirk has a cryo element, I will 100% take her. I try not to take everything, but only what corresponds to my favorite type and what is interesting to play with. Everyone is looking for something different in this game. Efficiency is not the first priority. At the end of the day, there are always a thousand reasons to pull characters, there are just times when you pick a character that is overpowered or meta-defining, and it can be really hard to explain to people that you like the character itself, not the numbers the developers fed it.
I 100% agree with you, and I feel the same in ZZZ. We should always try to focus to have fun. I even try to advise my friends that are gacha newcomers "don't let the game play you, you should be the one playing it. Go for the characters you want, and not for the characters the game wants you to have"
this is like an updated companion video to your old "pull who you like" vid, which is one of my fav vids! Ever since then i only main characters that i think are hot and are fun to play! So Clorinde and Chasca are my mains at the moment! And next patch im gonna get C1 for my Shenhe, not cos of meta, but just cos shes my fav and i want to :D Meta changes but Shenhe will always be hot 😁❤️
One reason why I don't feel like the powercreep in Genshin is particularly harsh is because the endgame modes don't take a big enough part of the game for the meta to matter that much. Abyss and Imaginarium can be harsh at times, but I don't spend as much time on it as I spend on exploration and quests, where the combat is much more lenient. I went through most of the early game playing very off-meta DPSes like physical Kaeya and Ningguang and it wasn't bad at all. It's more important that I like the character and/or enjoy their playstyles tbh
I love how we never talked about this at all in genshin until Mavuika came out, not even when there was Mualani and Neuvillette. And it's all because Arlechinno, Arlechinno simps be strong I suppose. Heaven forbid an Archon is the strongest character of their respective element. Seriously though some will have to admit it's dumb how this wasn't a topic until Mavuika when it's been a thing since like Sumeru perhaps even before then. However in star rail it's very present and it's ridiculous, but most of it is because of Hoyo's definition of endgame which is increase health pool while adding stronger units for profit, at the same time not buffing older units because then people wouldn't buy newer characters.
I agree. I don't watch Jello anymore, but I think he's the best CC for more casual Genshin players in general On the contrary of "pseudo meta CCs", ihe recognizes his skill issues, and give his thought about the teams, and often offers a wide choice of teams in general, so you could pick the one you'd enjoy the most
"And their best supports" this is somewhat an issue, it's fine if your support only needs 4* characters like Bennett, Xingqiu, Shinobu, etc. Those supports are cheap. But what about characters who need expensive supports? I hope I am wrong but I've heard 4* are kinda "rare" in HSR...
i understand how this is effecting the players even me myslef got fomoed, however as a general rule get the character that you like AND help your account in genshin that what i do on my F2P account, but i do indulge in my light spender account (i did pull yoimiya on her re run and that cost 160 pulls she was my on fielder dps and i playedher in overload team till i got mavuika) in hsr i was f2p for a year then became a light spender (my luck is like my light spender account in genshin) i usually invest into 2 archetype per year and as you said my bad character i got during first year JY and Topaz were usable through the year and became more relevant in recent updates For people still thinking on the current/upcoming banners in genshin and hsr realistically in genshin if you can get 1 character then citlali can work with older pyro units and archons do get more frequent reruns in hsr the value of rerun is significantly worse than new units and elemental coverage so that cross out most rerun dps and silver wolf has zero rule in the meta, so then its robin lingsha and the new characters for new player prioritize the healer as its very difficult to just play natasha for non new player you can go either for new dps or robin however robin is on second half so you can wait for the livestream and find out what Tribbe do as she might be a robin 2.0 or she might work better with the roster you have
Mavuika is so artificially powerful, all they did was make her burst free with no energy charge and just steroid pump her numbers when all I really wanted was a xiangling 2
i've noticed for a long time now that the people who say "this character is awesome!" are the same people who says "they're not that great" a moment later.
That’s so funny, I never saw the HSR video in which you mentioned my cringe ‘broken’ meme 😂 I actually think it got a bit better since then, because HSR’s powercreep got so insane that CC’ers are a tad more careful to hype new units. Ever since they told us that Silverwolf will *always* be relevant, most broken unit in the game, HSR’s Kazuha, mono-quantum until EoS (looking at you, Braxophone…). Good video btw!
I think with the whole vertical vs horizontal investment issue it depends. If you vertically invested in someone like Acheron, than you don't feel powercreep. If it's Black Swan, Jingliu, etc. you're bricked. You can clear but a high investment Jingliu feels the same or worse as a low investment Firefly. Also, I think getting new units is always more exciting instead of using the same team over and over again. Unfortunately, this makes me fall for fomo HARD. Well, pick you poison ig
When I first saw the Natlan teaser released by Hoyo I decided to get Chasca, Xilonen and Mavuika and Citlali, saved enough to guarantee all. The decision was based solely on vibes and how they looked, but I got to like each of them more after each of their appearances. I managed to guarantee all of them (plus the 2 new sigs) and this is the first time in the game that my favorites from the nation (Granny, Himeko and Lucio) are actually the most meta team. After 4 years of ""bad luck"" (my absolute favorites were always the lesser DPS such as Yoi, Eula, etc) I am thriving, thanks hoyo that the best waifus are finally meta.
its sad because some of my favorite honkai star rail videos are (well, used to be) from creators doing 4 star only runs in moc. i enjoy them because it showed that if you know the game in and out, have those key 4 star light cones and 4 star character eidolons, then with enough investment, you can clear the hardest content. unfortunately this hasnt been the case for the past few months, now with all the hp inflation its literally impossible to clear moc 12 within 20 cycles with only 4 star characters, no matter how hyper invested they are. something seriously needs to be done, and soon. i've seen genshin creators clear abyss floor 12 with 36 stars recently with only 2 4 star characters on each side, even with overpowered characters like neuvilette existing in the game.
I think it comes back to an understanding that many teams can clear the abyss and shaving off three seconds isn’t the end all be all. I got Mavuika because I always pull for archons as a rule, even if I don’t have the best supports for her.
Honestly my main issue is just how blatantly they did the double banner right before the free pulls, and then finally bringing back old characters people wanted like shenhe and wrio after said double banner… like how blatant does it gotta be until people see the manipulation. Just seems the business model is going towards artificial fomo to make up for their declining sales.
People have to recognize "not the best option" doesn't mean bad. Star rail endgame modes, and to a lesser extent for genshin, are tailored to the current banner, but it doesn't mean you can't clear. I'm one of those who don't pull just to make my favourites stronger. On the first half of this moc12, I had to use this team of acheron (e0s1), kafka (e0s0), fu xuan (e0s0), guinaifen to clear with 5 cycles. Take a guess why guinaifen is there. It's just a given that if don't want to fall to fomo/whaling, you have to make up for it by artifact investment, teambuilding, understanding game mechanics, and how to solve the problems the game throws at you with tools you do have. In other words, you have to play the game. In genshin, you often don't even have to change the teams if your old team is good enough.
My playstyle in Genshin is to pull C0 every unit, but no constellations and no signature weapons (literally the content creator playstyle). It's so much fun to mix different units and create new teams, especially mixing older units with the latest units. For most META players, Genshin is still way too easy of a game. The difficulty will never reach a level where we can't 36-star. Everything is dying way too quickly, I see no point in killing everything even quicker. Dabbling into low gold cost speedrunning is plenty of fun already, I don't need to move up to medium-high gold cost investment level. If you have the proper combat skills and game knowledge, you can afford "bricking" your account by spreading the resources thinly across the board. Half the fun of Genshin for me is derived from participating in the latest discourse surrounding latest characters and learning how to play them properly alongside all the other META players.
That's also my bar, what speedrunners like Jamie call 4 gold cost teams iirc. No 5* constellations, DPS carry gets a signature, no support signature, try to fit at least one 4* support.
As someone who always saves primogems unless necessary, Mavuika is probably the only time I've been incentivized to pull out of FOMO more than a genuine love for the character. Not to say she isn't great, but the FOMO is stronger than the love.
12:43 this is exactly why I pulled for thousand blazing suns, but not Mavuika (or at least 1 of them). She can be however strong she wants, but I can already clear pretty much everything that the game has to offer with Diluc and Arlecchino
With regards to IWinToLose, I ran the same (Bennet/Diona/Kachina/Mavuika) team (vid with builds soon) and I got 700-920K nukes. I believe he built the team correctly but the showcase was scuffed. For example against the vishaps he missed Diona's Q completely and hit 520K WITHOUT it whereas I hit 870K. He also made errors against flying Drake by not sprinting earlier to build fightning spirit. And then he probably didnt show the Papilla start which has a fun Mavuika tech to break it easily. It wasnt a thorough video with the necessary detail.
My take on this topic is the same as yours, it's not a pvp game, so if for example, you have a Raiden and she is the one who you like the most, just invest in her c2r1. It has been quite a long time since her release, enough time to already pulled all that stuff for her. I still don't think Genshin's powercreep is that bad, the Liyue's big 3 can clear the abyss, Keqing can clear Abyss, Diluc can clear abyss. Ofc, it's just natural for a gacha game to always release a stronger character (or with more QOL). I think Abyss just needs to introduce a new system honestly, like adding a new floor, where you have to use 3 teams. So you can use more teams and not let the old characters fall in limbo.
I didn't know you can get Xianyun from TCG (/s). Jokes aside, you don't need every character in the game, especially Genshin, as long as you know what you're doing when it comes it building characters & playing the game. I've been helping my viewers clear abyss on top of doing guides for Abyss & Theatre, & I can say that Genshin does a rare thing where no characters are ever truly useless. Even someone like Xinyan has some use for Mualani. Sure, its not the best option, but at least it is an option that works. Also, we know this by now, but Genshin having 4-stars that are still meta till today is such a rare thing given how gachas work in general. While it doesn't have the "Ascension" mechanic that other gachas have, where older lower rarity units can be ascended to a higher rarity through farming "Shards" & this tends to make them meta again. It's nice to have lower rarity units that have some value to the game regardless of how much time passes. I pull new characters just to see what kind of gameplay they can offer to game, so I guess I'm neither the waifu or meta kind of person (though I wish they'd stop releasing a DPS every patch). As I play more Imaginarium Theatre for the purpose of guide-making, I learn to appreciate a lot of the less played 4-star units since each of them have certain niches that they fulfill or do, that 5-star units tends to not have. (E.g. Amber w/ fast Pyro app w/ her Burst which helped in breaking Electro Regisvine corolla or Chongyun being a Cryo Claymore character which helps with the Suanni boss). TLDR: Genshin is pretty casual friendly & powercreep may be evident, but the effect is rather minimal given the current state of the endgame content.
I pulled for Citlali first because I loved her character, but after finding myself searching for every wish I could get for Mavuika after wasting all my reserves for her, I stopped to think if I actually wanted her, or if it was because I still thought it would improve my Mualani? Turns out, I kind of don't care that much for her, and I will be saving my wishes for the next characters I really want to get. If she reruns and I have some extra wished, I'll pull for her, but it is wise to know when to stop.
The only character I feel the most needed and the status quo didn't change for an extremely long time is Kazuha. At least if you were a Keqing simp, you badly needed him to keep up during version 2.0 of genshin before dendro and even after dendro he 1 of the important irreplaceable core as Nahida end up facing competition from Kirara and Baizhu later. Also bad when his rerun gap from 1.6 to 2.8 is long.
When I was just starting to full star abyss I came across a CN creator who would recommend even f2p to full send it on C2 Raiden, with conditions ofc, and I didn't agree with him back in 2.1, but after 3 years of watching the careers of "meta DPS"s play out, I get what he's saying. Multipliers will always get higher but some kits are just special.
@Pheonee yes there are examples that people are more likely to agree with haha that's the point, the same thing that happened to raiden will happen to them
I have a freind whos deep into Theorycrafting and thats his take too. Basically he said if at any point in the future genshin releases endgame content with higher lvl enemies than current abyss f12, most current dpses would feel the powercrept except shougn c2 cus the def sherd is one of the few things that actually scales in importance with the lvl gap. 100% agree no matter the mutliplers some kits and cons have special parts that would always be relevant no matter how the game grows.
The great thing about slowly investing in Raiden's C2 is that the introduction of Chevreuse in Fontaine, a 4 star, created the only niche she needs to perform at her best, which in turn meant units like XQ, XL, Bennett and Kazuha were freed to be used in other team comps for Abyss.
@@agiant5715 more than the defense shred there are many great things about her that took 2 years to start feeling irrelevant or for other characters to match at similar cost, namely her interruption to resistance at C0 and other buffs that make her a great driver for all those off field burst users that were popular back then
Aside from the character, genshin gave less pressure to build a character cause it has off-piece so piece that good on one set still can be used even after new set released
In all honesty, Genshin’s curve is still pretty well managed. Realistically speaking, having Bennett with your Mavukia is still going to let you kill everything without much hassle. There’s a lot of meta characters in genshin that don’t need their best teams to succeed. You can run Arlecchino’s third best team and still be okay. Some people are just obsessed with a one shotting in a perfect rotation. HSR is different on the other hand with how some teams really don’t exist without specific characters. There’s no such thing as a Kafka replacement and we’re only now getting a second 5 star ice dps. What’s crazy is if they just consistently made 4 star versions or existing archetypes and kits, people could round out teams so much better. There’s no 4 star quantum designed for PF and that’s pretty insane cause they will always make a quantum weak floor.
I hope you do some more HSR content. We could use a more level-headed voice in that community. The online discussion around HSR is so ridiculous and completely at odds with my experience playing the game.
Yes, it's really sad, I agree. As a guidemaker, Pokke is great (from CN unit analysis), but his streaming content sometimes create issues. I'd honestly admit I don't think Iyo, Gacha Smack, Braxophone are close from Pokke's good content (when he wants to release it lol) I have a friend who really hates Pokke because of his attitutde and behavior (showman), and outside of him, there is honestl mainly Ruri Goko (if you like tryhard content) and EODGamer (which has done nice job in helping people in investing imo)
@@tufol33k78 I used to watch Mr Pokke a ton, but I told youtube to stop recommending his stuff to me a little while ago. I also blocked Iyo and Smack a long time ago too. EODGamer is alright, but I only really watch Guoba Certified and Lisara's 0-cycle showcase stuff. Guoba is very level-headed too and I wish he put out more content besides guides. I feel like all the most vocal HSR CCs, the "thought leaders" in that community, are the ones constantly feeding the gacha hype/FOMO cycle and exaggerating how meta-breaking every new unit is and acting like every old unit is worthless, powercrept trash after like 2 patches. It's really exhausting.
i only really make videos if I think of something to contribute. and the thing with HSR is, because of the abundance of leaks+creator experience server, by the time new things come out I never really have something to contribute 😥
@@jamiekb9v I would disagree that you have nothing to contribute, because as you said in this video you have been successfully clearing all endgame modes as a F2P and have been able to do so with older teams like DoT that the community largely (and incorrectly imo) regards as unviable and powercrept. That kind of perspective is incredibly rare in the HSR community because most CCs are on the constant hype train every patch, and are usually whales who pull and build every character. I think videos of your thoughts on units' pull value and sharing your thought process on how you decide to pull on your account would be useful to some people. Many people in the HSR community clearly struggle to build their accounts effectively and are frustrated that they cannot win with their old favorites. Someone like you who is a known and respected voice in this space could act as a good role model and give them a template of how they can find the same success you have. I think one of the reasons F2Ps think so highly of Genshin is because there are CCs like Zajef who are committed to providing advice and TC for F2P teams and strategies, and not simply focusing on the latest flavor of the month 5 star with their optimal (usually 5+ cost) team. There is a serious dearth of that kind of content in the HSR space that desperately needs to be filled imo
@@mitrettavrednik I think HSR partly causes that problem themselves because of the exact way they build the fotm mechanics into their endgame; it is much more influential than anything I've seen in Genshin. Like in genshin Zajef always ends up saying "keep in mind this character's performance is inflated this abyss due to blessing" but never has to say "Keep in mind these characters are all going to perform like dog this abyss because of the blessing", which would often have to be said in HSR, if you know what I mean? Like Genshin's fotm blessing simply makes the strong look stronger but the weak are still fine; whereas in HSR, the fotm blessing makes you use the fotm characters to fulfil it's conditions, and the weak look even weaker
1st powercreep is a thing to every gacha game its never going away just accept it. 2nd Fomo is just your willpower or patient testing you. just be patient pull for the character you need to fill your goal if youre a meta player or pull for who you like if youre a casual player.
Regarding IWinToLose... Yes, some teams look weaker than Citlali/Xilonen teams, but that's not the problem. What was he trying to point out is that you can do massive amounts of damage without Citlali/ Xilonen. Yes, you do more damage with them in the team but even without them you can do more damage than Neuvi or Arlechino teams
It shows that you can still clear, but clearing in over a minute is not that impressive for someone that has played as much as him, and he could surely do considerably better playing Neuvi or Arlechino.
@@ssarellas With Citlali and/or Xilonen. Definitely not without them. And even then in something like the 4.x abysses that were made to make Neuv look extra good, he would still probably beat her.
@@deltaspecies1697 I mean at this point everyone must have Xilonen or Citlali, it's not that hard to get at least one of them Besides Arle is also dependent on Bennett or Kazuha, just like Neuvi is dependent on Furina or Kazuha. Every character needs a strong support to give the best performance, it's not like Mavuika invented the wheel
I'm somehow fine with powercreep and/or Fomo. The very problem i have with HSR is the time needed to attempt endgames contents. It's feel good when i do it "first try" but very meaningless when i need 4, 5 or more try.... to admit my characters are not good enough.
They might get me with the FOMO if I had anything to do with the characters. I quit the game after they went to an 8week abyss reset cycle, just nothing to do.
Oh god yeah the light cones are absolutely necessary, another reason I quit HSR but not Genshin is how even meta characters at E0 still really need their S1 to make endgame not a horrible RNG-fest.
i think this is a great take that should be normal although yes i don’t think it should be about pointing fingers at each other since other perspectives also have valid points. i have always been a strong believer of pulling who i like and not being afraid to skip characters. however i think hyper investment for f2ps is sometimes an unrealistic expectation as i have never been able to get enough pulls for the weapon banner and ended up getting nothing. and i dont even have the greatest meta units either. perhaps for hardcore/og/lucky players it works out but unlucky f2p/casuals will have it rough. my main gripe with hsr is that i just dont enjoy a lot of the designs so when i pull for what i like, they end up being very underwhelming even though i have no interest in their supports. you do need certain characters to support the character you like whether or not you like them. this is perfectly normal but this contributes to feeling forced to pull. i personally prefer hyper investment into the character i like rather than their teams
I just started playing HSR this year (edit: 2024) and pulled on Sparkle because of online hype. I don't have ILDH or E4 QQ. She almost never sees play. Come to find out later that they keep making the same crit damage/action advancement support over and over again, and now I have her successor Sunday who I also rarely use. I should have followed what I wanted and waited for Fugue.
This a topic that's always been looming about but you're one of the few CCs to articulate it well in video format. At the end of the day all these games is going to EOS eventually so just pick who you like, learn how to make them to the best they can be and go on about your business so you can look back at your time with the game with no regrets. Until we run into a situation like the OG main DPS (Klee, Diliuc, Keqing, etc) not being able to 36 star Abyss then all this power creep panic discussion don't have much weight at the moment and just usual content/clickbait farming.
In retrospect i usually can dodge FOMO, because i usually pull the DPS i like first then try build the rest of the team around that DPS until i'm bored with that playstyle. Also i usually spend most of my primos budget to get supporting characters which actually a benefit for me in the long run because i can mix and match the team so i don't get bored quickly. My goal for now it's to have DPS representative from each element. I already have Pyro (Arlle/Hu Tao), Electro (Clorinde/Raiden), Hydro (Mualani), Geo (navia) and Dendro (Tighnari). Just need Cryo and Anemo to complete my DPSdex. For the powercreep, honestly i don't feel it. For now. I played from the beginning of Fontaine and barely noticed the difference. Like i said earlier, i spend most of my primos budged to collect supporting char even in this Natlan era, which in turn make my account feels very flexible against the abyss.
Yes! This is true :) I'm pulling with 4 rules - waifu, play style, personal power and synergy. I'm only regret about Neuvillette pulling because gameplay is bored for me, and im happy with new Citlali - Ganyu - Arlecchino synergy.
I have to admit, I do pull some meta characters. But not because they are meta but instead because I like them. I have characters like Neuvilette, Furina, Nahida, Kazuha, Raiden, Navia, Alhaitham, and Citlali. And some of the characters I am planning to pull are meta too. Mavuika and Xilonen for instance. I’m also trying to get Chasca, Kinich, and Xianyun. But I didn’t choose any of them, be it from the characters I already have, or am trying to get, for their meta value but instead because I either liked their playstyle, or I liked them as a character. And no even if I have those characters I will not do things like Neuvilette, Citlali, Xilonen Mavuika. I will still use Neuvilette, Zhongli, Kazuha, Furina or Neuvilette, Zhongli, Furina, Bennet (depending on if I want vape or not) and I still play Ayaka Freeze with Ayaka, Furina/Mona, Kazuha, Charlotte/Diona. Same with Navia, Zhongli, Bennet, Xiangling. That won’t change. But I will also get to make other teams like a pyro main dps team once I have Mavuika because I currently don’t have a Pyro DPS except for Diluc and Dehya but I don’t like the playstyles of either of them, or Chasca’s playstyle looks so fun for example. Same with Kinich. I will still use Alhaitham Hyperbloom even if I have Kinich though. I like having the option to try different styles. I guess this might be the only case where I like having a lot of options. I’m someone who plays a character if I like them even if they may not be the best. Granted some characters I like are definitely very good. Neuvilette and Furina are examples of that, but I also still play Ayaka Freeze and cryo focused Freeze is kind of in a sad state right now.
You're telling this as if it was easy not to fall for FOMO while these games keep getting harder and harder ! Not every player knows which choice is the best to do ! Not every player is lucky enough to get the best supports ! Not every player can afford to get the 5* weapons/light cones ! Not every player can have 200 CV on their builds ! And more importantly, not every player is good enough to constantly clear endgame content, which is the primal source of powercreep ! So ofc, some players want to keep up with the current meta and pull for the latest and more powerful options instead of following the "Pull who you like" motto ! The whole gacha system in itself in encouraging players to spend more so the companies arethe real ones to blame !
yes thats what this video is about! im precisely not blaming the players but the system. instead i'm spreading awareness on how to beat the system by not falling for the latest shiny toys and focusing on the characters and teams you do build
@jamiekb9v I mostly agree with what you said but the fact is that not every player is skillful enough to clear with who they like if these characters are on the mid-Tier ! Also you gave the example of Navia's best teams changing from double Pyro to Plunge to double Pyro again ! That's also where players can get tricked by pulling the current best teammates for their characters only to get replaced by better options later on !
Any gacha's biggest and first enemy is FOMO. If you have FOMO, you lose already. Then how do you battle FOMO? As an experienced 10-years F2P gacha player here are some ways: 1. Define what kind of player you are. Are you a Meta chasers? Then you dont need to read this, i hope you have enough money to back it up. Are you a casual player that dont care about 9-starring Abyss floor 12? Then pull whoever you like, your investment doesnt mean anything. But what if you want every characters with their weapons ASAP? Then you are a lost cause, i hope you have enough money to back it up or get lucky or stop playing. Are you like me, who like some characters but still want to clear abyss with them or just want to have their weapons? Then proceed to the next step. 2. Choose characters that you REALLY like, and i mean it. You need to consider a lot of things to choose the character like their gameplay, characterization/lore, design, element/vision, etc. There are a lot more things to consider but for me, i need those four things to fit my preference. After you chose, then STICK with them. Set your target on them. Save your primos until you guaranteed or has high enough chance to get them, do not falter of other temptation. If you are a person that cant do that because you are easily influenced, then you have FOMO, you lost. And if you don't, proceed to the next step. 3. PLAY THE GAME. Start saving by doing dailies, weeklies, and explorations. Spend your resin wisely, starting from the level/ascension and talent of the characters and their weapons that you use for farming, and then their artefacts. Not only it makes a faster farming, but also a more enjoyable experience playing the game since you are not struggling. After that you can start pre-farm for the target character until you have enough resources and eventually get them. If you don't feel like clearing abyss with them, then stop reading this, rinse and repeat. if you do, proceed to the next step. 4. Build the team around that character. Almost every character has more than one archetype of team style, choose the one that you prefer the most like in step 2. if you dont like any of the character, find the alternatives by looking guide videos and articles. Even then, your character will most likely want (or their alternatives) either of these: Bennet, Xinqiu, Dendro, Fischl, Anemo (for VV) and/or Natlan characters (for Scroll of Cinder City). Plus a dedicated shielder if you are a mobile player or have issues in dodging. Pay a bit more attention to any of the high value 5* team members unit like Furina, Xilonen, Kazuha, Nahida, etc; they are great support for the team DPS and can be used in many team. Rinse and repeat. 5. Rome is not built in one day, and so is your account. My account (from 2.2) takes 8 months to 9-star Floor 11 by myself and 9 months 9-star Floor 12 by other person who is more proficient playing abyss. And by the 12th month i can 9-star Floor 12 by myself. Since then, i dont miss 9-starring Floor 12 ever again except the infamous 3.6 Abyss and 3.3 Abyss the one with Golden Wolflord. Now, i have 18 copies of limited 5* (Two characters are C2 and one at C1) and 8 limited 5* weapons completely F2P (except for 4 welkins i won from giveaways). Have patience, if dont then you have FOMO, you lost.
![Seungmin "그렇게, 천천히, 우리(As we are)" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kAzmhLHePqU/mqdefault.jpg)
I don't think fighting amongst the community or supporting the latest fomo helps. as I say in the video, the games naturally makes us content creators hype up the latest things.
Instead i believe the best way of combating this is knowing how to avoid the hype whilst learning to improve your favourites and account.
I can understand your POV, but at the same time I never really felt like I needed to invest in my favourite characters in Genshin in particular like that, the endgame is already easy and if I have to struggle a bit more to get good clears it makes it more fun and I can try out different teams as well (although at a certain point benching certain characters becomes easy as well). Maybe in starrail there is that incentive, but definitely not in Genshin.
@@ginger2114 if you are clearing all the content with your favourites, then you have already invested in your favourites 🧠
Hi. Are you gonna play Limbus Company?
@@basty_gaming5750 i haven't heard about it before
@jamiekb9v “As the Executive Manager of Limbus Company. lead your group of twelve Sinners venture into the buried facilities of Lobotomy Corporation, and lay claim on the Golden Boughs.”
One of the standouts is that you don’t take any damage from must attacks if you win that battle and the fights are challenging, even if you have the SS tier unit, with one of the best stories in gaming in general.
Honkai Star Rail actually has the powercreep problem that people say Genshin has
Fwiw I agree with the overall point of "don't get too sucked into hype around the new thing". IMO the difference is that in Genshin, as long as you don't pull for every new character, it's pretty reasonable to get the characters you like and something close to their best in slot team. It's not too hard to keep up with. Star Rail has faster number powercreep, more new unit releases, more team-specific best in slot supports, and more different modes you might want a unit for (Pure Fiction in particular). I've never felt like it mattered almost at all when I missed a unit I wanted in Genshin, it's only happened like once or twice in three years and it was never a big deal. In Star Rail it's already been at least three times and feels awful every time. And if anything I've pulled for more new DPS characters in Genshin.
At least in Genshin I can make up any alleged loss in power on my older characters by having functioning hands. Meanwhile you're just fucked in HSR.
It stupid to say that if you compare pf or as difficulty with IT.
I'm not sure I agree with that - what power disparity is there is just more tangible since HSR actually has endgame content that stresses it.
There are definitely characters that struggle - Seele is a sad state (though you could say the same about plenty of early Genshin limiteds), but SR also does a half decent job of dragging old characters back up. Sunday was a strong support that released, but his release has dragged Jing Yuan - one of the first limited 5* dps released up to a competetive spot, Big Herta looks like she might be helping Serval see some light for the first time despite being a launch character.
If Genshin actually had more endgame content I think how dupstered the older characters are and how rare it is for any of them to be dragged up by new releases would be far worse than what SR has going on.
Yeah, I can still clear abyss with Keqing Fischl Kazuha and YaoYao. The four stars big five are really god sent. Meanwhile, in HSR I can hardly use my 1.X teams anymore, they are just not strong enough for the current endgame.
Star rail is a much more numerical game (it being turn based and all) so it makes sense that people feel the pressure there, but in Genshin I've always felt like everything works. Some things take more resets than others to make a clear happen, but old characters are still clearing the abyss just fine so I don't understand why people feel like they must improve their already OP teams just to have 45 seconds left on the clock instead of 30.
I think its more to do with QoL
Newer characters are so much easier to play
Which makes a big difference when abyss has annoying enemies
honestly i still like my Bennet, XL, XQ and Kazuha. its the best and most team i use for event. also my best team for that platinum challenge if it has one.
Literally just boredom, wanting something new to play. If it was about power they'd just throw a couple constellations on their current DPS and spare themselves months of artifact farming
They all crying because of powercreep but Hyperbloom,international and rational can still clear the abyss
Diluc will demolished abyss if you run him with xianyun.
The necessity of needing the "best" team instead of just a team "good enough" will always put you in scenarios like this.
I agree on that. You can clear most content in an f2p team full of only 4 stars
feel like it’s much worse in hsr though. a lot of the endgame has started to use the best teams as a baseline to make the content harder, to prevent characters like acheron from doing 1M damage and oneshotting the boss .. just imagine how bad it is for weaker characters. yea, you can use f2p characters or older 5 star units but they’re practically nothing without their most op supports (rip dot team) even with insane investment bc of the hp inflation in this game, it’ll get worse and worse as they create newer insane kits manipulating battle mechanics to generate hype and then pay the price by making content unbeatable
@@theropayer2532 yeah it’s definitely way worse in HSR, in Genshin I’ve always pulled who I like the most and just try to get them a nice team. In HSR your fave gets left behind so fast, and the fast meta changes were too much. Plus they release a ton of characters that are barely relevant on the overall story, I had been playing since launch and I already quit, really didn’t feel like putting effort in keeping up with a game, and gacha of all things 💀
@@theropayer2532 Exactly the reason why I quit HSR and just focus on Genshin instead
@@Dom5SDamn To Bad I love HSR
In my opinion, Genshin powercreep, while real, isn't actually that bad. I can still clear the content with my Ganyu, even though she's an "old" character (with good artifacts, weapon and team). I don't think you could do that in Star Rail: an E0S1 DHIL with Sparkle, Robin and Fu Xuan can't really clear fast enough to get all stars in MoC imo.
Do with that as you will.
I might also add that with Imaginarium Theater, characters that don't see that much play aren't useless because this mode encourages horizontal investment; my Hu Tao hasn't seen that much play in Abyss recently, but every IT that has Pryo I get her out, because she's still good enough.
I think you get the point.
I bet my whole life you can clear with that team on 2nd half. What are you on? Lol
I run Seele second half. Yes, S E E L E. 2 cycles, though tbf it is E1S1 Robin, so let's say it was 3 cycles if E0S0.
@@violet_lilacTrue. Powercreep = HP inflation isn't really the best answer. It's the environment and the enemy compositions that should be taken note of. Sure there are things that really made 1.x units like Seele, DHIL, Jingliu fall off, but they come out every now and then because the current enemy lineup and buffs favor them. People also shat on DoT being also powercrept but when it's DoT pure fiction or there are buffs in Apoc that favor them then they kinda go back in the limelight. If the boss also favors the character (e.g. Boothill against Aventurine boss, Yunli vs Kafka or Hoolay, Seele vs True Sting, Firefly vs Puppet Trio, etc.) then they would certainly pop off.
For what its worth, Genshin has always been great at handling powercreep and really its because of units like Bennett.
For how much the playerbase bemoans his existence, him and units like Fischl and XQ provide an incredibly important service, that being extremely strong baselines for accounts. Almost everyone has a Bennett, a XQ, a Fischl, and with these core units, no matter what 5 star you have, you can make them work regardless. Its a safety net which keeps the 5 star supports in check.
Thats why Star Rail feels so harsh with its powercreep. Because it completely lacks those really strong, versitile 4 stars that create a baseline of account power, and in its place are extremely overtuned supports that become borderline necessary for team comps.
Want to use any Break Dps? Better have Ruan Mei, wanna play FuA, better have pulled Robin and Aventurine, want to use that shiny new Rememberance path? Did you remember to pull Sunday before he left? Its the complete lack of options.
Sure, people complain about lack of Bennett alternatives, but thats a minor inconvenience as opposed to the crippling flaw that it would be in Star Rail.
Furthermore, Star Rail has massive HP bloat. Teams that used to dominate the end game now are struggling to even get by and now need to dedicate resources to a new character just to keep their old teams competitive. Genshin doesn't have this problem. Hu Tao is still as strong as she always was, even with stronger options in her class shes still more than enough for endgame. Star Rail cant say the same.
Tingyun, Pela, Harmony MC, Hunt March 7th and Gallagher are all good free characters that fit into most team archetypes.
@@danielcarrilho5217yes but there are often/ always better 5 star options and non is as versatile as bennett
my eula disagrees :( my ganyu and hu tao also kinda falling out of favor for arlecchino, neuvilette, mavuika...
@@депресијагејмер tbf, Eula and Ganyu are less about Powercreep and more so a lack of support in Eulas case and the game really not liking freeze for Ganyu.
Hu Taos still doing well enough, especially with modern supports like Furina, Citlali, etc
@@thegamewoods8473 agreed about hu tao but eula's main source of damage takes like ages to charge after bursting whereas mauvika is just doing more damage in an instant with her burst, without any er requirements... ganyu pretty similar as her damage takes a lot (aiming, high er periodic application, high-value supports) to optimize whereas neuvilette is just doing her damage with barely any optimization
I think most of this will fall on deaf ears. A lot of people have to learn about FOMO the hard way. I started Genshin knowing I should be and thinking I would be selective with my pulls but still eventually fell for the hype on a character I've never enjoyed playing.
True. Knowing something and understanding something is two really different things unfortunately
ahahaha true, i fall for that Fomo for Yae Miko, also because the JP VA too. but till now Yae didnt really have that much appear and not really i enjoy it playing her.
Play the game, dont let the game plays you ❤
I pulled childe only to never want to use him again 😭
And it takes so many resources to build them….
I agree, all new characters are hyped at the beginning. Always she same thing. Just pull for who you like and spend wisely your pulls and resources!
Pull with a plan, I'd say.
@el7284 yes, true
@el7284 I'm F2P, and having a plan has allowed me to stay on top of the meta for nearly 3 years now. If Im unable to spend money on the game, I just use my brain and dedicate a lot of time to get the results I want. And it never failed me once.
What have you pulled for lately? @@hiimapop7755
@@hiimapop7755 absolutely this. It also kills fomo for the most part, as well as other petty marketing gimmicks.
The thing is i dont actually play with the characters in hsr, i just watch them play on auto battle, so i feel much less encouraged to actually pull. For Genshin or wuwa, liking a character play style means much more, at least for me…
I even dont watch them XDD I watch yt or play other game while they auto
this so much. i auto so much im asking myself why im still "playing" the game lol. it's pretty much waifu collector
@@ixirionThis lol,I leave it in the background and mute
I don't understand you lot honestly like??
if you don't bother to play the game and just doing everything auto might as well uninstalled the game? no
Playing the game by not playing the game? Where's the fun in that?
@@edimasv4581 yeah that's why i'm thinking of dropping actually.
the only reason im still sticking around is to farm jade for the fate collab lol. ~500 pulls and counting now.
HSR powercreep is not even close to Genshin.
HSR released 2 broken characters with broken light cones every patch, while Genshin very rarely has 2 new characters per patch.
Sadly, HSR endgame will be designed and scaled around this new character, which will become a struggle the more you skip a character. And YOU WILL skip characters unless you spend a lot of money in the game.
Honestly, my urge to drop HSR is getting bigger with each patch. If nothing changes by the time Arknight Endfield comes, I'll drop this game.
HSR isn't worth it anymore. Reverse: 1999 serves well as a replacement and really F2P friendly. Also have you dropped HSR now? I wanna know.
I still remember pulling Klee because I just like her, and every time I play her team I just smile because the idea of a small child with massive nukes going fishblasting in the lake is just too funny for me. I do not regret her one bit even though some people think she's clunky and too fragile. Try juggling some geovishaps with explosions and then you tell me if you're not having a great time.
I always follow the same rules for every character I want to pull: it needs to be a character I like and have a gameplay that I can enjoy. The amount of character that satisfy both become so little that I never had primo problems ever
I quit HSR already, just waiting for Genshin to finish their story so I can finally be done with hoyoverse in general
People see Mavuika as varying forms of DPS Powercreep.
I see Mavuika as finally the Xiangling that works in more teams without 3000 ER. The Pyro I was looking for as an alternative to Dehya for Melt Aloy.
We are not the same.
Preach I have had no interest in her dps playstyle however shes been a godsend support in like 6 of my teams and not needing 300er to be effective is the absolute best
thats because as a support shes *fairly* balanced but as a dps she is most assuredly not
It's like how people will likely pull her c1 now for the damage boost while I'll pull her c1 on her rerun to get maximum hold skill uptime where there's no phlogiston, long after the Natlan arc has ended.
DPS cap is temporary, bike is forever.
@@DeathTheWolfxten8 *what’s your artifact set for your Skill-based sub-DPS Mavuika? 4-piece Golden Troupe?*
@@skyhart9926 the support set in Natlan
I've stopped getting Constellations in Genshin and stopped spending in Star Rail because I've realized it's not worth it for me anymore. I can already clear anything with ease, so I don't see the point in getting C2 Mavuika when she's already competing with my C2+ characters. Even if she was a bit weaker, I still 36-star at the end of the day so why does it matter 😂
P.S: Not shitting on how anyone else plays the game btw, I love watching low-to-high-cost runs but I've set a bar for myself that I don't want to cross
good to hear you've set a bar and sticking to it!
There is one thing I didn't think of when I was still pulling C2 in the old days. It makes new characters without C2 less valuable. You are trapped in the money sink. Nowadays I pull C1 max and in ZZZ I don't pull constellation/cinema anymore
Exactly. I share and approve of your approach. The value of constellations is artificial.
I'm at the opposite. Because my primogems is overflowing, I started getting cons since Fontaine. Yes they didn't really help for clearing Abyss / IT since we can do it with C0, but it gives a bit of QoL like Furina C2 or Arle/Clorinde C1, and a sense of special waifu / husbandos. It's a gacha game after all, a game about getting waifus / husbandos, rather than having my primo collecting dust, might as well spend them for cons and flex Citlali AoE shield or Arle instant Blood Debt in co-op 😂.
Note: I rarely pull, only pulled on a few select waifus.
FOMO in Genshin is generally very mild since characters tend to have a wide range of Team Comp options and even if you don't have the premium option the difference is very minimal.
In HSR a DPS is lucky to have more than one Team option, and even when they do they are still stuck with a single Support option since the game insists on never releasing side-grades or 4 Star options for premium options (Robin is the only FuA Support, Ruam Mei is the only Break Support, Sunday is the only Summon Support, etc...) which increases the pressure on you to go after premium supports even more since if you don't have them you're screwed.
True. genshin its so much better that we have 4 year old characters that don't even have good supports so no fomo whatsoever.
look at Blade and Jingliu man, at this point pulling rerun dps character is kinda trap if you dont have the team to run those
I feel like in star rail the game gives a lot of FOMO, while with Genshin it's more the community. People being pressed that you need to pull Xilonen, that Furina is a must for abyss, that Mavuika can't be skipped, Neuvillette is must pull... It's so so easy to 36* abyss without pulling all the top meta characters or keeping up with the latest gimmicks, but with the way people make fun of weaker units and praise the shiny new thing, it's easy to see why so many people fall for FOMO regardless.
That's really true. The elemental system in genshin makes it so you have more options for finding synergy between different characters, but in HSR everything is tied to what team archetype your dps is, path and element really don't matter anymore.
I'm a little hesitant to lump Genshin and HSR together in this respect because the rate of powercreep is somewhat different between them.
Genshin's had a rise in Abyss enemy HP by roughly 60% since 4.0, and at the current pace is averaging a year-on-year rise of about 30-50% per year. This is in the range where if you like a character and want to keep using them, you can keep up with the pace through vertical investment in constellations, signature, supports, etc. Most forms of vertical investment these days clock in around 20% DPS per pity (i.e. this is around where a "good" constellation or signature weapon land, with the best ones being even higher than this), so if you really like a character, even if they get powercrept, it's not unreasonable to keep investing in them and keep using them over the course of several years by investing into them.
HSR's year-on-year rise in enemy HP in the endgame modes has by contrast been around 200-300%, while not really having vertical investment options that corresponds to such a larger increase--constellations and signature light cones still clock in around that 20% range. This means that if 3.x doesn't slow down the rate at which these modes inflate HP, it becomes much harder to continue using a character beyond their second year, even with vertical investment. New supports and new teams help--but they can only do so much if the next year represents *another* 200-300% inflation. Investing heavily in your favorites help to alleviate this in the short term, but does not ultimately help in the long-term when the rate of inflation exceeds the improvement offered by vertical investment. The rate of increase is...concerning, even if it's not necessarily a problem for people yet.
It's just hard to see HSR ending up in a spot like Genshin where 1.x DPSes like Hu Tao and Xiao are still good 4-5 years later (even if they aren't the best anymore) simply because of this rate of increase. Like even as well as Jing Yuan has aged with new supports and teams, it's still hard to envision him being able to keep up if MoC enemy HP is 800-1000% higher than it is now--which is where it will be if the current pace continues. If Hoyo drastically slows down the rate of increase through 3.x, it's a different story, but thus far there are no signs that Hoyo even sees this as something that needs to change.
I agree with your points in general however i dont think it is pertinent to the point of the video, which is that both games are increasing the fomo and releasing stronger characters yet we as a community need to avoid falling for it and chasing every new toy. gacha game gonna gacha game, we need to be strong.
@@jamiekb9v
Stronger characters than what ?
Furina xilonen and kazuha is still the strongest characters in the game , hyperbloom still can easily clear all content assuming you have nahida
You can still easily clear with 1.0 units without signature or constellations , just get thier best supports like furina xilonen kazuha etc
You can't just look at the HP numbers in a vacuum for HSR. The HP numbers are balanced around the blessing, and it is expected that you are abusing the blessing as part of your strategy. For example, in the current MoC the swarm bug has ~3.3 million HP between its two phases, but killing a trotter deals ~140k damage. So let's say you kill 10 trotters over the course of 5 cycles, then that is over 1.4 million damage just from trotters, or over 40 percent of the boss's total HP. So the "insane HP inflation" that there appears to be on paper is to some extent illusory.
That said, the HP inflation is obviously quite noticeable even when accounting for the blessing. But it's not as extreme as people make it out to be. I full starred this MoC 12 with DoT (5 cost) first half and Jingliu (6 cost) second half. Based on your napkin math, I literally should not be able to clear with these old characters, but I did.
Actually it means there is illusion of choice. If you take an old character you need more vertical investments to make it relevant and it has shorter lifespan. So only the latest character exists. Until you meet your favourite character which you would like to play forever you have to chase the meta.
HP inflation practice must be treated as a fraud. Like Apple artificially slows down iPhones with iOS updates to sell a new model. Difficulty of end game content must be rebalanced each time depending on your selected characters.
The fomo is strong with Genshin's phase 1 and people talking about Citlali is Cryo and she will receive Shenhe treatment makes people more fomo but personally I feel she won't get that treatment because she looks like generating revenue for Hoyo.
Yeah, it's funny how people think Genshin doesn't like Cryo, when really they don't like characters that underperform. If Skirk does well, and she should, then she will absolutely get rerun as often as other successful characters (Hu Tao, Yelan, Raiden, etc.)
@@wallacehoward2792 its even funnier remember the Inazuma meta time when people where complaining that Ayaka didn't need other buff in form of Shenhe because cryo was super broken
@@wallacehoward2792 underperform as in sales then why are they running stuff like alhaitham,lyney,baizhu, ayato,cyno,itto,yoimia,wanderer and so on we have buch of underpeforming units yet mostly only the cryo ones take forever to rerun and on avrage have the lowest amount of reruns
@@erronblack3462 thats because they know that cryo isnt winning in the meta rn thats why they havent rerun them becauase they know that most wont pull. Thats common sense if youre running a business. Since we'll be heading to snezhnaya expect for cryo to be the leading element in months. The characters you listed are units who still excel in their niche well except for ayato, yoimiya and wanderer. Cryo with freeze and reverse melt isnt in the best spot right now
@@ngm6541 yoimiya isn't meta or particularly successful revenue wise yet she gets reruns every other patch.
There is a difference between getting a character because they do something new or because they are a good alternative to a character you already have and thus being able to free that character to another team in Genshin
and having to pull for a character because they are the only character that fits the team that you already spent a lot of resources to abandon in Star Rail
I got Mavuika and Citlali because they are good alternatives to Xiangling and Zhongli
while in Star Rail I don't have Ruan Mei and because of that my break teams are mediocre and I have no alternatives
also while in Genshin I still have fun playing with Hu Tao and Keqing in the abyss, IT and battle events
in Star rail my Blade and Jingliu have cobwebs all over them because they are no longer able to complete the challenges the game throws at me
and from my understanding FOMO was about content and not characters, Genshin has FOMO with its limited events
@@Keiki-kun Ahhhh thats quite reasonable and solid argument. the Limited time event especially with those special character quest prize and 500 primo for doing story and exploration. But if Genshin the only gacha game you play i think those kind of Fomo wont that big matter. even you have 7-8 hour office work its still doable since you can play it with phone. but yea if you have familly and playing this game, look at the missing rewards will be...... yea not feel that good.
@@Keiki-kunwell you do have an alternative and that's fugue well ofc the 50% break effiency Is locked by C1 but She's Better than ruan mei at e0 in break teams and gets even better at e1,so If you don't have her go for Her since RMC true Dmg goes in combo with Her meaning that characters like FF rappa etc can benefits from that.
I recently quit Star Rail because the constant increase in difficulty was getting too frustrating. Seeing all my characters that I liked becoming nearly useless and even top tier meta teams were being intentionally countered to sell whatever new character. And I hadn't enjoyed the story in a long time... So I dropped it. /shrug
honestly that good choice, my friend also who i think really lucky with his pull and able to gather Feixiaobteam withn a month (he got Feixiao, Topaz with LC, Robin, and Aven) feels presure and cant clear end game content becuase his 2nd team not that strong agains this Super Break Meta. i do told him play at your own pace we been play genshin together and i mostly coop with him in VC talking random stuff. but when we doing like MoC and PF i can feels the frustation in his voice. And he just drop the game because its no longer fun for him. That maybe the reason he droping but i think the core reason because im introduce him to Balatro 😂
I did the same. I wasn't even struggling with content I just saw the constant increase and hp and knew where the game was going. Seeing my previous 1-2 cycle clears turn to 6 put me off.
honestly i'm getting close to dropping HSR myself. i love the lore in it but the powercreep is brutal. it's just painful to pull for a character you like, spend so much time spelunking to get good relics, and see them fall off meta just as you get good stats. i've dropped it before and picked it back up for ratio, but i'll probably drop it again soon if amphoreus storyline doesn't pique my interest.
If Amophoreus doesn’t impress me, I will quit.
And they are exploring unbreakable enemies next patch, 2 weeks after Fugue mind you.
Hsr is disgusting and people fail to see that it's Hoyo's most notorious game in greediness.
The amount of premium currency relative to the number of limited units released is the lowest among their main gacha games.
Grinding mats is already hard enough (especially mora), so I naturally just leaned into vertically investing on my favourites, and even making different builds for them so things don't get stale. I find myself giving up early whenever I try to build characters that I just don't care for.
4:06. Yes, this. Don't just pull random whatever. Pick a unit you like that you CAN play, then pick relevant supports
For real. Am important point that some ppl miss is that when they advice for a player to "pull who you want" (thankfully jamie didn't) is that you are responsible to then keep pulling any future new better supports/weapons/sets and even some early cons over time if you want that character to in the long term still be able to comfortably clear endgame like in ver 12.4 for example. Not talking anything crazy here like c6 but 1.0 c0 wgs dulic main for example finding difficulty clearing abyss in 5.3 shouldnt be surprised if they r running him with fischl/bennett/xinqui still. A worst case senerino example im sure but a nice way i think of this is like an old school final fantasy-like RPG inwhich you always have your MC playable but during your quest you meet new teammates so overtime the game loop is continuing lvling your MC while slowly replacing your supports with the newer stronger ones
The 1 thing that keeps Genshin from feeling as powercrept as Star Rail is just the kind of game it is. With Genshin the "feel" and gameplay of a character matters just as much as raw numerical value. But in HSR there isn't that "feel" factor that needs to be accounted for when designing characters kits. So the only way to actually get people to get new characters is to numerically powercreep them. Neuvillette and Mualani are a prime example. Sure Mualani can hit bigger nukes than Neuv and is better than him in Speedrun content, but the comfort and ease of use Neuvillettes gameplay provides is more valuable to most people. So the powercreep feels less agregious.
The cryo on field dps is even more unique experience lmao. There are Eula, Ayaka, Ganyu, and Wriothesley. Literally NONE of them have similar playstyle
On that point as well, Mualani and Neuvi's playstyles feel different enough to where their difference in damage output doesn't matter quite as much as which gameplay feels more fun.
I personally play Mualani more than Neuvi these days but that's definitely my personal preference haha
I really like these kind of videos. Not many people talking about those things and they are quite important.
I've taken breaks in both GI and HSR, and the difference between returning player experience is so wild it's hard to think these games are from the same company lol
taking a few months off before returning in Natlan, I don't have any problems with my good old Raiden National and NaXingKu team. But returning in 2.1 HSR after a few months with Kafka and Jingliu as invested characters was really miserable, as they don't really feel good to play in 2.x patches lol
I start playing genshin in 3.5 and during that time I had to plan who to pull and when I was searching for advice I saw your "pull who you like" video and I liked it a lot and was useful to have and idea to how I should ve take the game back then
However I ended up pulling only my favorites C0R0 and others character I liked to make a viable team with them without following the meta for both star rail and genshin.
So in the end my answer to enjoy those games is just collecting my fav (I like most of the existing roaster😅), and with what I have finding their best team to play
I don't have problem clearing the endgame anyway
Sorry for the yap and thanks for sharing your point of view with this kind of video!
im glad all my fav character is support, Zhongli, Kazuha, Xilonen(same birthday).. pull c0 put fav weapons and dodge FOMO 😂
As a veteran, concentrate on pulling the best supports only, or new ones such xilonen wich is clear the will be impactful. Once you level and save enough, wait for s new dps and ride the wave of the best team for at least s year in abyss.
yep, and that's exactly the same with HSR, but ppl like to womp womp :(
Players don't realize how much planning your wishes helps in the long run. I have gotten C3 Raiden, C2 Nahida, C2 Furina, and C0R1 of Ayaka, Xilonen, Mavuika, and Citlali as a F2P player. It took years, sure, but if you really want to dedicate a lot of time into this game, then start saving for units you actually NEED. Bennett and Xiangling are always in the monthly shop rotating twice a year, so exchanging your starglitters for constellations rather than 6 wishes will help you in the long run. Theres no need to meticulously plan everything, but knowing what you need and having a proper goal instead of pulling whenever you have 160 primogems will show results.
@@tufol33k78 Yep with all the doomposting about Acheron all you had to do was pull Jiaoqiu and she lasted from 2.1 to 2.7 at the very lesat if we look at the early access 3.0 MOC than Acheron is good there as well. I never seen so many people malding about pulling a male character until I played Star Rail.
@@hiimapop7755 It's not about planning. All these things depend on luck. The fact that you managed to collect many characters and constellations for them while being f2p does not mean that others will be able to do the same. There are people who get a character on 80 pulls, and also lose on Qiqi. There can be no talk of any constellations when you can't even get a character. And in addition to characters, you also want weapons.
No need to talk about planning and blaming other players for ignorance or inability when luck is on your side.
And also, for players who have been playing since release, collecting so many characters, weapons and broken constellations is even easier. How long have you been playing?
@@kianamain-sp he literally said it took years.
And you can still plan around your luck if you don't want constellations. The pull averages for weapons and characters have been known for ages.
All you have to do is allocate a higher average for our long term pulls, and then hope for good luck.
good take jamie, i cannot imagine the chaos within the playerbase if these 2 mainstream mihoyo games had any semblance of Hi3's pvp system lmao
yes, imagine a real OG atrocity of a gacha like Hi3 or SW
luckily they are mainstream (or unluckily, bcz we get all these bullshit drama)
I herad about Hi3 sky high powercrept and any player still playing it tells me to avoid it like thr plague
@@agiant5715 to be completely fair towards Hi3 (i was a former player myself), the "powercreep" in that game is only within the context of reaching top 1% of the leaderboards in their version of abyss. If we're talking "just clearing for max gacha currency rewards", you do not need even high leaderboard placements, you just need to clear within the time limit. The powercreep in this context is more bearable for f2p/low spenders, you can play whatever teams you like as long as they have actual synergy.
The leaderboard chasers are those who want special in-game "emblems" that give small powerup that can carry over to subsequent "abyss resets", and other in-game rewards (NO EXTRA GACHA CURRENCY).
@adriandaliva1341 oooh so that's what the so-called "PVP" is. While i didnt play it, i heard PGR has a similar system inwhich there is a server wide leaderbored ingame for the fastest clear times. Competition brings drive which is why i love CSGO but when p2w is involved it honestly sucks even thou as you said, the reward doesn't matter anyways if your already good enough tobe to 1% in the lbs, u dont need the power buff anyways.
@@adriandaliva1341 yep that was my thoughts in this video. in hi3, you could still maintain agony ranks with scuffed investment in recent characters, cause the new characters were both good and heavily shilled with the current content. despite that, if you actually wanted to be competitive and go for nirvana and t100 thats when u had to give into the fomo banner tactics and get the proper investment. so even though genshin and hsr don't have pvp, and the fomo isn't quite on the level of hi3 yet, it reminded me of similar arguments.
I like to go with the meta because over time you can get a very wide roster of characters anyway.
even tho we don’t need this power in genshin it’s still very enticing for players to pull them now.
especially with the cryo curse.
or even characters like xianyun not rerunning
I think overall I'm just a bit disappointed by the recent choices in Genshin and HSR in terms of character releases, powercreep, etc.,. In Genshin for the first time we have two new characters releasing in the same half who have each other as their best teammate by a significant margin. And in HSR we have had a level of HP inflation in recent months that has eclipsed anything we've seen so far. Overall we can always say "just wait" or "don't get baited" but I think Hoyo has definitely ramped up the FOMO in both of their games to an unprecedented level in the past patches thanks to their design and banner choices.
I think one thing that might need to be mentioned is that going vertical might actually make FOMO even worse if you're focused on getting "the best" teams because while it might give you a bit of a buffer damage-wise, it means if you are susceptible to trying to get the next best team then you might actually feel even more pressured to vertically invest in that new team so that it actually does more damage than your existing team. For example you might go for C1 Arle, then realize that C0 Mav isn't better but C0R1 or C2 Mav is so you go for that, then the next best DPS comes out but only beats C2 Mav at C2 as well so you go for that, etc., etc.,.
It's a very expensive and dangerous hole to fall into, that's also accentuated by how early cons are a lot better than others. If you go for C2 Mav for example the rest of her cons are a lot less valuable and you hit diminishing returns for further vertical investment. That basically means after a certain point the pressure to just throw your old DPS out for a new one who does more vs just throwing more primos into a vertical investment black hole becomes more tempting. There's also the fact that low cons and especially C6 is a lot more prone to powercreep than C0 in Genshin, where from 2.0 to 5.0 C6 DPS has literally quintupled.
Of course someone can say "well it's your fault" for falling for FOMO. But Gacha is literally a psychological game between the devs and players, one which devs always come out on top (or else they wouldn't make the huge wads of money they do). It's not that going for the best is required, but it's no surprise that players want the strongest characters or teams anyways. For many players, the enjoyment of the game itself is building strong teams and clearing the hardest content intrinsically, not just to collect 50 primogems or stellar jades or whatever.
I don't see the problem in how yeah a new character at lower invest will be better than the old one that's how they get you. But generally speaking you would choose the character you actually like and enjoy rather than seeing an extra 10% dmg when both characters can comfortably clear end game content
idk about hsr, but for genshin, most older teams are still capable of clearing abyss 36*
so unless u cant 36*, imo the real question is, why are you pulling in the first place?
Exactly this! Its not that is the fault of the players for feeling FOMO, is that the game is build up like that. It affects some people and from the affected only a portion will fall for it, but when you do it will get highly addictive. I love Genshin (never tried HSR) but the gacha model as a whole feels like a never ending fight that players will always lose and it makes me sad how as a community we argue with each other instead of acknowledge all the good and bad things this game have....
zzz also starting to be like them with Miyabi release +m2 bait and mustpull signature and on next patch they gonna release her bis support Astra Yao. I feel like hoyo starting to be corrupted with capitalism
Thats why as F2P it's better to invest in support chars than in DPS. I have only C2 Nahida and C2 Furina and am happy about that i can use them in many teams. (Also i have C1 HuTao and C1 Neuvi comfort bait for me as mobile player..). But so i don't feel that sorry to pull a newer DPS i like.
Maybe some day pull Constellations on Citlali too but after lost 50/50s on both Mavuika and Citlali, no primos left and now have to save for Snezhnaya 😅
Other players in 2025: Pull Mauvika to play the most powerful team
Me in 2025: Farming Oceanid because i've never played Morgana and it sounds really fun if we get a swirl (therefore likely freeze) friendly abyss with Mizuki
I think that there's going to be swarms of hydro enemies next year because of the electrocharged and shatter buff. 3.0 adjustments to hydro resonance were a year in advance. Thanks for adding another note to my conspiracy board
I feel old after hearing about Morgana again
Powercreep in Dokkan last year is quite wild, now every units need at least 30 mil damage per super attack and guard with damage reduction to make them good enough.
Now I'm terrified about how much more powercreep inflation on their 10th anniversary this month..
I stopped playing Dokkan right about when I started playing Genshin in 3.2, and I truly have no regrets. Not only is Dokkan a pretty bad game overall now that I look back on it, which as a Dragon Ball fan I could close my eyes on to an extent and just treat it as a card collection ig, but the powercreep really took a turn for the worst around the time I left. My brother still plays to this day and I sometimes see stuff about the new units and endgame, and yeah, the HP/damage inflation is unfathomable. Characters who were super meta back then, are now absolute dogshit despite getting very direct buffs in the meantime in the form of an awakening, if not several awakenings
I still remember the era when the powercreep was slow enough that TEC Gohan remained a god tier unit for like 3 years in a row, and then remained relevant for 1 or 2 additional years despite his low damage, just because of how rare his defensive features were at the time (guard + greatly stacking defense). Nowadays, if a new character/awakening doesn't have guard or 50+% dmg reduction AND insane defensive values in their kit, they're dead on release - literally, they'll get oneshot in any recent endgame content. Oh and they should also deal some good dmg too, nothing crazy, just a few DOZENS OF MILLIONS per super attack (and the ability to get multiple super attacks ofc, and guaranteed crits as well because why not ?)
It's so funny because when I was still a quite new Dokkan player, I remember getting the free Goku and Vegeta SSRs from the Broly movie event (around 2018 - 2019 I believe ?) and thinking that they were great F2P options with their 50K def stat and maybe 100K damage on SA... and I'm not even an OG player, the true OG ones will tell you that they used to play characters who couldn't even reach 10K damage and had virtually no defense to speak of, but who were super meta at the time lmao
Great video. Especially for a newer player they would feel the push for needing the to hyper horizontal invest in every new dps and support (like getting emilie for kinich) meanwhile an older ver 2.0 player like me can still clear with a bit vertical invested ayaka freeze comp or a simple melt ganyu team so i know chasing the new shiny dps for the highest dmg screenshot or dpr isnt as important in the long run. As what jamie said, play who you want and dont ever shy about skipping the new shinny new character to vertically invest a bit on someone who you actually enjoy because with how the genshin meta is, it would probably go back a full circle and now your "powercrepted" old favourite character now does almost the same dmg as the newest shiniest new hyped team just by replacing 1 or 2 supports.
i am not denying that this type of hyping the next thing every time can be bad, but for me its actually kinda what i enjoy about genshin and what gives it longevity for me. i really like to "get into the ecosystem" of a new nation, getting a carry and then perfecting that team over the duration of the version. i pulled for mualani knowing her teams at the time sucked and i would be replacing everyone soon, i built kachina and shortly after replaced her with xilonen, built dehya and replaced her with mavuika. basically i am trapping myself in this team so i have stuff to do. did the same with neuvilette during fontaine
hope this makes sense idk if im crazy here
Agreed completely. Pulling for new characters is fun. I don't care if I won't play them anymore next year because I'd be using new characters. I'm still having fun lol.
Really interesting topic, love your view on it.
Praises, from France 🙏🏼
Pulling for new characters and getting into community hype is fun. I don't care if I won't play them anymore next year because of new characters. I'd still be having fun then lol.
Firefly LC is the one exception. I would not pull that thing. I would rather get her E1 because it has more long term utility. I got lucky and got E2 FF and that is absolutely crazy. E2 FF just dumpsters on most of my other teams that are even more expensive. E2 FF, E0 Ruan Mei, E6 HMC, and E6 Gallagher will clear just about everything this game can throw at you currently. Only weakness lock shuts you down. That is only a 4 cost team. A lot of other so called F2P level teams like E0S1 Feixiao, E0S0 Robin, Hunt March7th, and Aventurine are the same cost yet I consider the E2 FF team stronger.
they should have just made the banners run the whole patch like ZZZ. then just put arlechinno and clorinde after lantern rite. as for HSR I gave up on that game more because of the artifact system than the character power creep. I just really hate how artifacts and sets work in HSR. I just wish all 3 games were like ZZZ artifacts then I would be happy.
4:50 such a good section!! once u notice the pattern it'll help u decide whether the new char actually brings anything new to ur acc
I fell for the hype and pulled on Xianyun, Sunday, Hu Tao, and Mavuika to a lower extent. I pulled on Hu Tao's rerun even though I had an invested Raiden International team and even a Yoimiya because of the supposed damage difference even though it ended up being a matter of one extra rotation in the best case scenario. Both my Sunday and Xianyun have yet to be used in endgame content and I pulled both on the promise that they unlock new gameplay teams instead of what my account has at the time.
Feels pretty bad man.
Important thing is to reflect on what happened and what you'd like to do different in the future. Lots of people have gotten carried away by FOMO, unfortunately, but it doesn't need to happen a next time.
winning is teaching. losing is learning 👍 so now you've learned, which is the most important thing for the future
Almost everything you said makes sense (Xianyun especially resonated with me) except for Sunday.. and tbh I don't even like the dude. But who do you use in hsr? Cuz he really is that good, he's BIS on genuinely almost every team except for Break or DoT
Mihoyo makes money farms which on the first glance resemble good looking games. And recently all the cattle woke up and started complaining that they don't like to be milked. I'll tell guys a secret - Genshin needs maybe 2-5 mil per month maximum to be a sucessful/profitable business, yet they still chose to overmonetize the game (which directly ruins the gameplay quality) for massive overprofits (same thing in all other Hoyo products).
real af, said the same on genshin release, people like to be milked ig
Amazing take imo. My philosophy is always to pull and build the teams that feel the most ”complete” and good feeling teams. And I mostly pull vertical investments for that purpose, to make characters more universal or stronger in new areas.
I also try to not pull too many things with conflicting teamates. Like I skipped Arlechinno completely and I am SO happy how that turned out for me, since I like Mavuika a lot more, and those two wouldnt be well to play on two sides of the abyss. And a hot take, I never really liked Arlechinno as a character, so im glad I didnt buy into her hype, since I enjoy Mavuika a lot more, so I am feeling better about vertically investing into her.
My genshin account is incredibly lucky. I've never regretted any characters that I've pulled, except for maybe Childe because I was clueless back then. I pulled basically all the hype characters like the Archons, Arle, etc. None of which I regretted or didn't enjoy playing. All of the characters in my account are useful in some way, and even if their role might be redundant with the other characters I have, I still find enjoyment out of everything. My rule of thumb is either the character is a much needed support for my acc or that I like the character (design/personality/story) enough for me to pull. Since I'm also invested in the story, my pulls naturally went into the most interesting character from the story. No FOMO for me. As an f2p and a long time player, I can comfortably clear this game end game content and just pull whoever I want.
Jamie. . . thank you, finally a rational nuanced take about the current situation that isn't just knee jerk reactions.
I pulled Mavuika because I liked her from her first appearance in the Natlan storyline and because I like collecting tall and beautiful women on my account. I took Citlali because cryo is my favorite element (Eula and Ayaka's main is in touch). It so happened that Hoyo decided to put two interesting characters for me on one banner. If Skirk has a cryo element, I will 100% take her. I try not to take everything, but only what corresponds to my favorite type and what is interesting to play with. Everyone is looking for something different in this game. Efficiency is not the first priority. At the end of the day, there are always a thousand reasons to pull characters, there are just times when you pick a character that is overpowered or meta-defining, and it can be really hard to explain to people that you like the character itself, not the numbers the developers fed it.
I 100% agree with you, and I feel the same in ZZZ. We should always try to focus to have fun. I even try to advise my friends that are gacha newcomers "don't let the game play you, you should be the one playing it. Go for the characters you want, and not for the characters the game wants you to have"
this is like an updated companion video to your old "pull who you like" vid, which is one of my fav vids!
Ever since then i only main characters that i think are hot and are fun to play!
So Clorinde and Chasca are my mains at the moment!
And next patch im gonna get C1 for my Shenhe, not cos of meta, but just cos shes my fav and i want to :D Meta changes but Shenhe will always be hot 😁❤️
happy to hear you liked that vid!
One reason why I don't feel like the powercreep in Genshin is particularly harsh is because the endgame modes don't take a big enough part of the game for the meta to matter that much. Abyss and Imaginarium can be harsh at times, but I don't spend as much time on it as I spend on exploration and quests, where the combat is much more lenient.
I went through most of the early game playing very off-meta DPSes like physical Kaeya and Ningguang and it wasn't bad at all. It's more important that I like the character and/or enjoy their playstyles tbh
"Pull who you like! You'll get another copy of Bailu because we don't give a fuck what you like!" - Mihoyo
Mavuika : I can't reach my full potential without other natlan characters.
The other Archons : Are you Mavuika the Archon of Limited Banners.
I love how we never talked about this at all in genshin until Mavuika came out, not even when there was Mualani and Neuvillette. And it's all because Arlechinno, Arlechinno simps be strong I suppose. Heaven forbid an Archon is the strongest character of their respective element. Seriously though some will have to admit it's dumb how this wasn't a topic until Mavuika when it's been a thing since like Sumeru perhaps even before then.
However in star rail it's very present and it's ridiculous, but most of it is because of Hoyo's definition of endgame which is increase health pool while adding stronger units for profit, at the same time not buffing older units because then people wouldn't buy newer characters.
Its like Jello Impact also says, pull your favorites and their best supports, you will always be happy.
I agree. I don't watch Jello anymore, but I think he's the best CC for more casual Genshin players in general
On the contrary of "pseudo meta CCs", ihe recognizes his skill issues, and give his thought about the teams, and often offers a wide choice of teams in general, so you could pick the one you'd enjoy the most
@@tufol33k78 Why did you stop watching him? I have a problem with his newer content that revolves around leaks.
"And their best supports" this is somewhat an issue, it's fine if your support only needs 4* characters like Bennett, Xingqiu, Shinobu, etc. Those supports are cheap. But what about characters who need expensive supports? I hope I am wrong but I've heard 4* are kinda "rare" in HSR...
i understand how this is effecting the players even me myslef got fomoed, however
as a general rule get the character that you like AND help your account
in genshin that what i do on my F2P account, but i do indulge in my light spender account (i did pull yoimiya on her re run and that cost 160 pulls she was my on fielder dps and i playedher in overload team till i got mavuika)
in hsr i was f2p for a year then became a light spender (my luck is like my light spender account in genshin) i usually invest into 2 archetype per year and as you said my bad character i got during first year JY and Topaz were usable through the year and became more relevant in recent updates
For people still thinking on the current/upcoming banners in genshin and hsr
realistically in genshin if you can get 1 character then citlali can work with older pyro units and archons do get more frequent reruns
in hsr the value of rerun is significantly worse than new units and elemental coverage so that cross out most rerun dps and silver wolf has zero rule in the meta, so then its robin lingsha and the new characters
for new player prioritize the healer as its very difficult to just play natasha
for non new player you can go either for new dps or robin however robin is on second half so you can wait for the livestream and find out what Tribbe do as she might be a robin 2.0 or she might work better with the roster you have
Mavuika is so artificially powerful, all they did was make her burst free with no energy charge and just steroid pump her numbers when all I really wanted was a xiangling 2
She still is a xiangling 2
Mavuika is Xiangling 2...
Mavuika e is better
@@eff-fumeno she’s not 💀
@@thatoneartist24 shes closer to Xiangling, but shes not Xiangling.. Goube told me that
i've noticed for a long time now that the people who say "this character is awesome!" are the same people who says "they're not that great" a moment later.
Games of today: “If I can’t get everything I see no point in getting anything.”
That’s so funny, I never saw the HSR video in which you mentioned my cringe ‘broken’ meme 😂 I actually think it got a bit better since then, because HSR’s powercreep got so insane that CC’ers are a tad more careful to hype new units. Ever since they told us that Silverwolf will *always* be relevant, most broken unit in the game, HSR’s Kazuha, mono-quantum until EoS (looking at you, Braxophone…).
Good video btw!
oh that was your post?
very thoughtfull video, thank you
first good take i hear on powercreep in gacha from a content creator
on star rail, my favorite was seele since the start. just love it
I think with the whole vertical vs horizontal investment issue it depends. If you vertically invested in someone like Acheron, than you don't feel powercreep. If it's Black Swan, Jingliu, etc. you're bricked. You can clear but a high investment Jingliu feels the same or worse as a low investment Firefly. Also, I think getting new units is always more exciting instead of using the same team over and over again. Unfortunately, this makes me fall for fomo HARD. Well, pick you poison ig
When I first saw the Natlan teaser released by Hoyo I decided to get Chasca, Xilonen and Mavuika and Citlali, saved enough to guarantee all. The decision was based solely on vibes and how they looked, but I got to like each of them more after each of their appearances. I managed to guarantee all of them (plus the 2 new sigs) and this is the first time in the game that my favorites from the nation (Granny, Himeko and Lucio) are actually the most meta team. After 4 years of ""bad luck"" (my absolute favorites were always the lesser DPS such as Yoi, Eula, etc) I am thriving, thanks hoyo that the best waifus are finally meta.
its sad because some of my favorite honkai star rail videos are (well, used to be) from creators doing 4 star only runs in moc. i enjoy them because it showed that if you know the game in and out, have those key 4 star light cones and 4 star character eidolons, then with enough investment, you can clear the hardest content. unfortunately this hasnt been the case for the past few months, now with all the hp inflation its literally impossible to clear moc 12 within 20 cycles with only 4 star characters, no matter how hyper invested they are. something seriously needs to be done, and soon. i've seen genshin creators clear abyss floor 12 with 36 stars recently with only 2 4 star characters on each side, even with overpowered characters like neuvilette existing in the game.
I think it comes back to an understanding that many teams can clear the abyss and shaving off three seconds isn’t the end all be all. I got Mavuika because I always pull for archons as a rule, even if I don’t have the best supports for her.
Honestly my main issue is just how blatantly they did the double banner right before the free pulls, and then finally bringing back old characters people wanted like shenhe and wrio after said double banner… like how blatant does it gotta be until people see the manipulation. Just seems the business model is going towards artificial fomo to make up for their declining sales.
me when im white and i dont celebrate chinese new year:
@@ngm6541yup the chinese greed is on another level
@@ngm6541 and they couldnt make Mavuika and Citlali last the whole patch like they just did in zzz for what reason again 🤔
what declining sales? the real question is what they're doing with hsr and zzz because those are some interesting choices
@@bulletpunch9317 welcome to Chinese gacha games kid
People have to recognize "not the best option" doesn't mean bad. Star rail endgame modes, and to a lesser extent for genshin, are tailored to the current banner, but it doesn't mean you can't clear. I'm one of those who don't pull just to make my favourites stronger. On the first half of this moc12, I had to use this team of acheron (e0s1), kafka (e0s0), fu xuan (e0s0), guinaifen to clear with 5 cycles. Take a guess why guinaifen is there.
It's just a given that if don't want to fall to fomo/whaling, you have to make up for it by artifact investment, teambuilding, understanding game mechanics, and how to solve the problems the game throws at you with tools you do have. In other words, you have to play the game. In genshin, you often don't even have to change the teams if your old team is good enough.
Keeping this video in my playlist to remind myself to not fall for FOMO
My playstyle in Genshin is to pull C0 every unit, but no constellations and no signature weapons (literally the content creator playstyle). It's so much fun to mix different units and create new teams, especially mixing older units with the latest units. For most META players, Genshin is still way too easy of a game. The difficulty will never reach a level where we can't 36-star. Everything is dying way too quickly, I see no point in killing everything even quicker. Dabbling into low gold cost speedrunning is plenty of fun already, I don't need to move up to medium-high gold cost investment level. If you have the proper combat skills and game knowledge, you can afford "bricking" your account by spreading the resources thinly across the board. Half the fun of Genshin for me is derived from participating in the latest discourse surrounding latest characters and learning how to play them properly alongside all the other META players.
this is what i did and i only limit myself to 1 5* weapon per team in abyss.
That's also my bar, what speedrunners like Jamie call 4 gold cost teams iirc. No 5* constellations, DPS carry gets a signature, no support signature, try to fit at least one 4* support.
As someone who always saves primogems unless necessary, Mavuika is probably the only time I've been incentivized to pull out of FOMO more than a genuine love for the character. Not to say she isn't great, but the FOMO is stronger than the love.
Good fucking input, lovely stuff. Thanks for speaking your mind
12:43 this is exactly why I pulled for thousand blazing suns, but not Mavuika (or at least 1 of them). She can be however strong she wants, but I can already clear pretty much everything that the game has to offer with Diluc and Arlecchino
With regards to IWinToLose, I ran the same (Bennet/Diona/Kachina/Mavuika) team (vid with builds soon) and I got 700-920K nukes. I believe he built the team correctly but the showcase was scuffed. For example against the vishaps he missed Diona's Q completely and hit 520K WITHOUT it whereas I hit 870K. He also made errors against flying Drake by not sprinting earlier to build fightning spirit. And then he probably didnt show the Papilla start which has a fun Mavuika tech to break it easily. It wasnt a thorough video with the necessary detail.
No Xiangling powercreep yet she is still best pyro applicator sadly
HSR powercreep problem and predatory behavior is getting worse to the point they making FGO devs look like a saint lmao
My take on this topic is the same as yours, it's not a pvp game, so if for example, you have a Raiden and she is the one who you like the most, just invest in her c2r1. It has been quite a long time since her release, enough time to already pulled all that stuff for her. I still don't think Genshin's powercreep is that bad, the Liyue's big 3 can clear the abyss, Keqing can clear Abyss, Diluc can clear abyss. Ofc, it's just natural for a gacha game to always release a stronger character (or with more QOL).
I think Abyss just needs to introduce a new system honestly, like adding a new floor, where you have to use 3 teams. So you can use more teams and not let the old characters fall in limbo.
I didn't know you can get Xianyun from TCG (/s).
Jokes aside, you don't need every character in the game, especially Genshin, as long as you know what you're doing when it comes it building characters & playing the game. I've been helping my viewers clear abyss on top of doing guides for Abyss & Theatre, & I can say that Genshin does a rare thing where no characters are ever truly useless. Even someone like Xinyan has some use for Mualani. Sure, its not the best option, but at least it is an option that works.
Also, we know this by now, but Genshin having 4-stars that are still meta till today is such a rare thing given how gachas work in general. While it doesn't have the "Ascension" mechanic that other gachas have, where older lower rarity units can be ascended to a higher rarity through farming "Shards" & this tends to make them meta again. It's nice to have lower rarity units that have some value to the game regardless of how much time passes.
I pull new characters just to see what kind of gameplay they can offer to game, so I guess I'm neither the waifu or meta kind of person (though I wish they'd stop releasing a DPS every patch). As I play more Imaginarium Theatre for the purpose of guide-making, I learn to appreciate a lot of the less played 4-star units since each of them have certain niches that they fulfill or do, that 5-star units tends to not have. (E.g. Amber w/ fast Pyro app w/ her Burst which helped in breaking Electro Regisvine corolla or Chongyun being a Cryo Claymore character which helps with the Suanni boss).
TLDR: Genshin is pretty casual friendly & powercreep may be evident, but the effect is rather minimal given the current state of the endgame content.
I pulled for Citlali first because I loved her character, but after finding myself searching for every wish I could get for Mavuika after wasting all my reserves for her, I stopped to think if I actually wanted her, or if it was because I still thought it would improve my Mualani? Turns out, I kind of don't care that much for her, and I will be saving my wishes for the next characters I really want to get. If she reruns and I have some extra wished, I'll pull for her, but it is wise to know when to stop.
The only character I feel the most needed and the status quo didn't change for an extremely long time is Kazuha.
At least if you were a Keqing simp, you badly needed him to keep up during version 2.0 of genshin before dendro and even after dendro he 1 of the important irreplaceable core as Nahida end up facing competition from Kirara and Baizhu later.
Also bad when his rerun gap from 1.6 to 2.8 is long.
I think this makes sense. Just play what you like
When I was just starting to full star abyss I came across a CN creator who would recommend even f2p to full send it on C2 Raiden, with conditions ofc, and I didn't agree with him back in 2.1, but after 3 years of watching the careers of "meta DPS"s play out, I get what he's saying. Multipliers will always get higher but some kits are just special.
Considering the amount of C0 DPSes who can match C2 Raiden's performance, I don't know that this is the best example?
@Pheonee yes there are examples that people are more likely to agree with haha that's the point, the same thing that happened to raiden will happen to them
I have a freind whos deep into Theorycrafting and thats his take too. Basically he said if at any point in the future genshin releases endgame content with higher lvl enemies than current abyss f12, most current dpses would feel the powercrept except shougn c2 cus the def sherd is one of the few things that actually scales in importance with the lvl gap. 100% agree no matter the mutliplers some kits and cons have special parts that would always be relevant no matter how the game grows.
The great thing about slowly investing in Raiden's C2 is that the introduction of Chevreuse in Fontaine, a 4 star, created the only niche she needs to perform at her best, which in turn meant units like XQ, XL, Bennett and Kazuha were freed to be used in other team comps for Abyss.
@@agiant5715 more than the defense shred there are many great things about her that took 2 years to start feeling irrelevant or for other characters to match at similar cost, namely her interruption to resistance at C0 and other buffs that make her a great driver for all those off field burst users that were popular back then
Aside from the character, genshin gave less pressure to build a character cause it has off-piece so piece that good on one set still can be used even after new set released
In all honesty, Genshin’s curve is still pretty well managed. Realistically speaking, having Bennett with your Mavukia is still going to let you kill everything without much hassle. There’s a lot of meta characters in genshin that don’t need their best teams to succeed. You can run Arlecchino’s third best team and still be okay. Some people are just obsessed with a one shotting in a perfect rotation.
HSR is different on the other hand with how some teams really don’t exist without specific characters. There’s no such thing as a Kafka replacement and we’re only now getting a second 5 star ice dps. What’s crazy is if they just consistently made 4 star versions or existing archetypes and kits, people could round out teams so much better. There’s no 4 star quantum designed for PF and that’s pretty insane cause they will always make a quantum weak floor.
I hope you do some more HSR content. We could use a more level-headed voice in that community. The online discussion around HSR is so ridiculous and completely at odds with my experience playing the game.
Yes, it's really sad, I agree. As a guidemaker, Pokke is great (from CN unit analysis), but his streaming content sometimes create issues. I'd honestly admit I don't think Iyo, Gacha Smack, Braxophone are close from Pokke's good content (when he wants to release it lol)
I have a friend who really hates Pokke because of his attitutde and behavior (showman), and outside of him, there is honestl mainly Ruri Goko (if you like tryhard content) and EODGamer (which has done nice job in helping people in investing imo)
@@tufol33k78 I used to watch Mr Pokke a ton, but I told youtube to stop recommending his stuff to me a little while ago. I also blocked Iyo and Smack a long time ago too. EODGamer is alright, but I only really watch Guoba Certified and Lisara's 0-cycle showcase stuff. Guoba is very level-headed too and I wish he put out more content besides guides.
I feel like all the most vocal HSR CCs, the "thought leaders" in that community, are the ones constantly feeding the gacha hype/FOMO cycle and exaggerating how meta-breaking every new unit is and acting like every old unit is worthless, powercrept trash after like 2 patches. It's really exhausting.
i only really make videos if I think of something to contribute. and the thing with HSR is, because of the abundance of leaks+creator experience server, by the time new things come out I never really have something to contribute 😥
@@jamiekb9v I would disagree that you have nothing to contribute, because as you said in this video you have been successfully clearing all endgame modes as a F2P and have been able to do so with older teams like DoT that the community largely (and incorrectly imo) regards as unviable and powercrept.
That kind of perspective is incredibly rare in the HSR community because most CCs are on the constant hype train every patch, and are usually whales who pull and build every character.
I think videos of your thoughts on units' pull value and sharing your thought process on how you decide to pull on your account would be useful to some people.
Many people in the HSR community clearly struggle to build their accounts effectively and are frustrated that they cannot win with their old favorites. Someone like you who is a known and respected voice in this space could act as a good role model and give them a template of how they can find the same success you have.
I think one of the reasons F2Ps think so highly of Genshin is because there are CCs like Zajef who are committed to providing advice and TC for F2P teams and strategies, and not simply focusing on the latest flavor of the month 5 star with their optimal (usually 5+ cost) team. There is a serious dearth of that kind of content in the HSR space that desperately needs to be filled imo
@@mitrettavrednik I think HSR partly causes that problem themselves because of the exact way they build the fotm mechanics into their endgame; it is much more influential than anything I've seen in Genshin. Like in genshin Zajef always ends up saying "keep in mind this character's performance is inflated this abyss due to blessing" but never has to say "Keep in mind these characters are all going to perform like dog this abyss because of the blessing", which would often have to be said in HSR, if you know what I mean? Like Genshin's fotm blessing simply makes the strong look stronger but the weak are still fine; whereas in HSR, the fotm blessing makes you use the fotm characters to fulfil it's conditions, and the weak look even weaker
I enjoy this game by making the most team that can beat the abyss with the restrictions that each characters belong to one and only team.
1st powercreep is a thing to every gacha game its never going away just accept it. 2nd Fomo is just your willpower or patient testing you. just be patient pull for the character you need to fill your goal if youre a meta player or pull for who you like if youre a casual player.
Regarding IWinToLose... Yes, some teams look weaker than Citlali/Xilonen teams, but that's not the problem. What was he trying to point out is that you can do massive amounts of damage without Citlali/ Xilonen. Yes, you do more damage with them in the team but even without them you can do more damage than Neuvi or Arlechino teams
It shows that you can still clear, but clearing in over a minute is not that impressive for someone that has played as much as him, and he could surely do considerably better playing Neuvi or Arlechino.
@@farius8506 F2p Mavuika can do better than f2p Neuvi or Arlecchino
@@ssarellas With Citlali and/or Xilonen. Definitely not without them. And even then in something like the 4.x abysses that were made to make Neuv look extra good, he would still probably beat her.
Mav without Citlali or Xilonen aint doing more dmg than Arle teams.
@@deltaspecies1697 I mean at this point everyone must have Xilonen or Citlali, it's not that hard to get at least one of them
Besides Arle is also dependent on Bennett or Kazuha, just like Neuvi is dependent on Furina or Kazuha. Every character needs a strong support to give the best performance, it's not like Mavuika invented the wheel
I'm somehow fine with powercreep and/or Fomo. The very problem i have with HSR is the time needed to attempt endgames contents. It's feel good when i do it "first try" but very meaningless when i need 4, 5 or more try.... to admit my characters are not good enough.
The community is really need to get rid of "i need this char for him/her to work properly"
They might get me with the FOMO if I had anything to do with the characters. I quit the game after they went to an 8week abyss reset cycle, just nothing to do.
Oh god yeah the light cones are absolutely necessary, another reason I quit HSR but not Genshin is how even meta characters at E0 still really need their S1 to make endgame not a horrible RNG-fest.
i think this is a great take that should be normal although yes i don’t think it should be about pointing fingers at each other since other perspectives also have valid points. i have always been a strong believer of pulling who i like and not being afraid to skip characters. however i think hyper investment for f2ps is sometimes an unrealistic expectation as i have never been able to get enough pulls for the weapon banner and ended up getting nothing. and i dont even have the greatest meta units either. perhaps for hardcore/og/lucky players it works out but unlucky f2p/casuals will have it rough.
my main gripe with hsr is that i just dont enjoy a lot of the designs so when i pull for what i like, they end up being very underwhelming even though i have no interest in their supports. you do need certain characters to support the character you like whether or not you like them. this is perfectly normal but this contributes to feeling forced to pull. i personally prefer hyper investment into the character i like rather than their teams
I just started playing HSR this year (edit: 2024) and pulled on Sparkle because of online hype. I don't have ILDH or E4 QQ. She almost never sees play. Come to find out later that they keep making the same crit damage/action advancement support over and over again, and now I have her successor Sunday who I also rarely use. I should have followed what I wanted and waited for Fugue.
I'm really close to quitting Star Rail because the enemies in the Caverns and Calyx seem to be getting stronger.
This a topic that's always been looming about but you're one of the few CCs to articulate it well in video format. At the end of the day all these games is going to EOS eventually so just pick who you like, learn how to make them to the best they can be and go on about your business so you can look back at your time with the game with no regrets. Until we run into a situation like the OG main DPS (Klee, Diliuc, Keqing, etc) not being able to 36 star Abyss then all this power creep panic discussion don't have much weight at the moment and just usual content/clickbait farming.
In retrospect i usually can dodge FOMO, because i usually pull the DPS i like first then try build the rest of the team around that DPS until i'm bored with that playstyle. Also i usually spend most of my primos budget to get supporting characters which actually a benefit for me in the long run because i can mix and match the team so i don't get bored quickly. My goal for now it's to have DPS representative from each element. I already have Pyro (Arlle/Hu Tao), Electro (Clorinde/Raiden), Hydro (Mualani), Geo (navia) and Dendro (Tighnari). Just need Cryo and Anemo to complete my DPSdex.
For the powercreep, honestly i don't feel it. For now. I played from the beginning of Fontaine and barely noticed the difference. Like i said earlier, i spend most of my primos budged to collect supporting char even in this Natlan era, which in turn make my account feels very flexible against the abyss.
Yes! This is true :) I'm pulling with 4 rules - waifu, play style, personal power and synergy. I'm only regret about Neuvillette pulling because gameplay is bored for me, and im happy with new Citlali - Ganyu - Arlecchino synergy.
I have to admit, I do pull some meta characters. But not because they are meta but instead because I like them. I have characters like Neuvilette, Furina, Nahida, Kazuha, Raiden, Navia, Alhaitham, and Citlali. And some of the characters I am planning to pull are meta too. Mavuika and Xilonen for instance. I’m also trying to get Chasca, Kinich, and Xianyun. But I didn’t choose any of them, be it from the characters I already have, or am trying to get, for their meta value but instead because I either liked their playstyle, or I liked them as a character.
And no even if I have those characters I will not do things like Neuvilette, Citlali, Xilonen Mavuika. I will still use Neuvilette, Zhongli, Kazuha, Furina or Neuvilette, Zhongli, Furina, Bennet (depending on if I want vape or not) and I still play Ayaka Freeze with Ayaka, Furina/Mona, Kazuha, Charlotte/Diona. Same with Navia, Zhongli, Bennet, Xiangling. That won’t change. But I will also get to make other teams like a pyro main dps team once I have Mavuika because I currently don’t have a Pyro DPS except for Diluc and Dehya but I don’t like the playstyles of either of them, or Chasca’s playstyle looks so fun for example. Same with Kinich. I will still use Alhaitham Hyperbloom even if I have Kinich though. I like having the option to try different styles. I guess this might be the only case where I like having a lot of options.
I’m someone who plays a character if I like them even if they may not be the best. Granted some characters I like are definitely very good. Neuvilette and Furina are examples of that, but I also still play Ayaka Freeze and cryo focused Freeze is kind of in a sad state right now.
You're telling this as if it was easy not to fall for FOMO while these games keep getting harder and harder ! Not every player knows which choice is the best to do ! Not every player is lucky enough to get the best supports ! Not every player can afford to get the 5* weapons/light cones ! Not every player can have 200 CV on their builds ! And more importantly, not every player is good enough to constantly clear endgame content, which is the primal source of powercreep ! So ofc, some players want to keep up with the current meta and pull for the latest and more powerful options instead of following the "Pull who you like" motto ! The whole gacha system in itself in encouraging players to spend more so the companies arethe real ones to blame !
yes thats what this video is about! im precisely not blaming the players but the system. instead i'm spreading awareness on how to beat the system by not falling for the latest shiny toys and focusing on the characters and teams you do build
@jamiekb9v I mostly agree with what you said but the fact is that not every player is skillful enough to clear with who they like if these characters are on the mid-Tier ! Also you gave the example of Navia's best teams changing from double Pyro to Plunge to double Pyro again ! That's also where players can get tricked by pulling the current best teammates for their characters only to get replaced by better options later on !
This is the reason i started vertically investing into some of my favourites
C2 Nahida and C1 Neuvillette will stay satisfying until we reach celestia
Any gacha's biggest and first enemy is FOMO. If you have FOMO, you lose already. Then how do you battle FOMO? As an experienced 10-years F2P gacha player here are some ways:
1. Define what kind of player you are. Are you a Meta chasers? Then you dont need to read this, i hope you have enough money to back it up. Are you a casual player that dont care about 9-starring Abyss floor 12? Then pull whoever you like, your investment doesnt mean anything. But what if you want every characters with their weapons ASAP? Then you are a lost cause, i hope you have enough money to back it up or get lucky or stop playing. Are you like me, who like some characters but still want to clear abyss with them or just want to have their weapons? Then proceed to the next step.
2. Choose characters that you REALLY like, and i mean it. You need to consider a lot of things to choose the character like their gameplay, characterization/lore, design, element/vision, etc. There are a lot more things to consider but for me, i need those four things to fit my preference. After you chose, then STICK with them. Set your target on them. Save your primos until you guaranteed or has high enough chance to get them, do not falter of other temptation. If you are a person that cant do that because you are easily influenced, then you have FOMO, you lost. And if you don't, proceed to the next step.
3. PLAY THE GAME. Start saving by doing dailies, weeklies, and explorations. Spend your resin wisely, starting from the level/ascension and talent of the characters and their weapons that you use for farming, and then their artefacts. Not only it makes a faster farming, but also a more enjoyable experience playing the game since you are not struggling. After that you can start pre-farm for the target character until you have enough resources and eventually get them. If you don't feel like clearing abyss with them, then stop reading this, rinse and repeat. if you do, proceed to the next step.
4. Build the team around that character. Almost every character has more than one archetype of team style, choose the one that you prefer the most like in step 2. if you dont like any of the character, find the alternatives by looking guide videos and articles. Even then, your character will most likely want (or their alternatives) either of these: Bennet, Xinqiu, Dendro, Fischl, Anemo (for VV) and/or Natlan characters (for Scroll of Cinder City). Plus a dedicated shielder if you are a mobile player or have issues in dodging. Pay a bit more attention to any of the high value 5* team members unit like Furina, Xilonen, Kazuha, Nahida, etc; they are great support for the team DPS and can be used in many team. Rinse and repeat.
5. Rome is not built in one day, and so is your account. My account (from 2.2) takes 8 months to 9-star Floor 11 by myself and 9 months 9-star Floor 12 by other person who is more proficient playing abyss. And by the 12th month i can 9-star Floor 12 by myself. Since then, i dont miss 9-starring Floor 12 ever again except the infamous 3.6 Abyss and 3.3 Abyss the one with Golden Wolflord. Now, i have 18 copies of limited 5* (Two characters are C2 and one at C1) and 8 limited 5* weapons completely F2P (except for 4 welkins i won from giveaways). Have patience, if dont then you have FOMO, you lost.