Genshin's meta is so weird the way we lack good off-field pyro application and a good excuse to use traveller that when Pyro MC's role is to do the bare fucking minimum, he becomes the least replaceable MC element. That is genuinely as hilarious as it is depressing as a triple-crowned traveller main lol.
@jamiekb9v definite not a hardcore one since the only element I (used to) play was Geo, but yeah it just feels weird when the MAIN character gets benched lol
Traveler main here too and yeah it's really disappointing. I really hope we get the special boss cons without restrictions, that would elevate Pyro MC so much as a great healer and pyro shredder.
He's definitely going to be a staple for my Imaginary Theater lineups because that artifact set is THAT good. Can't really see myself using him for all that much else though.
I love (hate) how they give you the Gosoythoth skills as a base (aka nothing) so you use the flint to upgrade them. It’s just a basic constellation system but they hid it so well not even leakers knew that’s how it worked until preload.
After Hoyoverse fucked up made HYDRO MC unplayable gameplay elemental power for market trend online game, Hoyo made Pyro MC ridiculous bonus just weekly Nathan boss not whole challenges apply strength
@@raihanrusli2720 The speculation was that Flints would *upgrade* normal constellations. And as we found out, they do “upgrade” them. Because we start with 6 constellations with no overworld effect. In a way that can’t even be considered an upgrade.
I think it’s worth noting that the pyro units on Kinich teams are often holding Deepwood. You’d be forced to go Deepwood Emilie if PMC gets Scroll so the trade off is worth consideration.
@@sylent0253that’s not entirely true. Emilie on deepwood loses 18% Atk and gains 5% DMG bonus (15% deepwood + 40% hero compared to burning set) She will do less damage but is definitely worth giving kinich 40% DMG bonus. Unfortunately it stops being worth it in the second rotation when hero set stops working. If we get a second Dendro natlan unit, they’ll likely be BIS.
0:03 correction you get their boss cons for only the boss you still have to unlock their cons though the Tribes reputation to get the flint for the overworld cons just wanted to put this here if no-one knew ( good video btw)
@@jamiekb9v True i know I just wanted to point that out because the game doesn't tell you anything like that or show an indication of that when you finish so i just wanted to point it out again cool show case on c0 traveler
True but i just wanted to point this out because the game doesn't tell you anything anything about this nor show you that you just a have a C0 version it tripped me up after the quest so sry for the intrusion I just hope they fix it in the future
It's so stupid that they can't trigger Nightsoul Burst. 2pc Scroll is absolutely useless if you don't have an actual Natlan teammate. For Burning team, you need another Element to remove the Aura for the next rotation. Here's what I found: - Furina works as usual - Sigewinne's lack of Hydro is ironically helpful this time - Citlali has enough Cryo to remove Burning & enabling Melt for Traveler/Mavuika's Burst - Zhongli can remove Burning with his Burst - Any Electro works - Yelan & Xingqiu might be too much Hydro
@@putent9623 technically yes , practically u need another unit who holds deepwood, and no putting it on emilie removes more than waht ur getting for , especially if both are c0 with 4 star weapon
@@k5nz15 downtime is fine but the application is bad (1 pyro app per 3 second), maybe only good on burgeon or/and just for Cinder city artifact holder
i'm waiting for someone make the C2 comparasion if the def reduction + Mavuika personal damage is enough to bridge the gap with Bennet atk buff lol. I guess i will need to test myself once i activate Mavuika con 2 after making all the tests that i want at C0
I tried PMC in Mualani with Emilie and it felt kind of better than Dehya. With Dehya you are tied to cirle impact and her slow coordinated attack shenanigans which sometimes misses some enemies. But with PMC In this team you're chasing enemies with Mualani to mark them at point blank range anyway so it felt way more consistent. Plus PMC buffs Emilie with Scroll.
18:03 i dont completely agree here, i still prefer dmc over nahida in thundering furry and the same would go for cyno if i had him, im ignoring baizhu and emilie as viable supports here because i dont think many people have those
Dmc and nahida for cyno is iffy. Pre nahid made my cyno as weak as my xiao (no c6 faruzan, no xianyun, lvl 80) even while my cyno had his SiG. But with nahida he is comfortably one cycling without while being level 80, so he became on par with my crowned alhaitham and arle (arle has homa but alhaitham admittedly doesn't have a 5star at all).
@putent9623 of course nahida is *technically* better than dmc in every way, except for the off field dendro application. and since both razor and cyno cant swap out without losing their burst, i much prefer just running dmc (in multiwave at least)
@OfficialFo ye I think it has to do with threshold. Your cyno is at the threshold and mine isn't so he basically useless unless I plop nahida and can actually kill enemies. But I totally understand your sentiment.
Traveler isn’t from Natlan so they don’t reduce Nightsoul Burst’s Cooldown, even if they have Nightsoul mechanics. If you don’t have any Natlanese characters, you won’t be able to activate Nightsoul Burst even with Pyro Traveler. If it’s Kinich + Pyro Traveler, the game calculates Nightsoul Burst CD as if there was only 1 Natlan character
afaik traveler only counts as natlan in terms of nightsoul for activating the scrolls artifact set, but not actually natlan in that he uses a nightsoul burst.
Wait I'm confused by this thread - since you're helping Kinich in this team, you have a Natlan character in the team... Yknow, Kinich. Apparently he won't reduce the cooldown of Nightsoul Bursts (which is determined by how many Natlan characters are in the team), so if it's just Kinich and PMC and like... Emilie Dehya, I guess your Nightsoul Burst has the same cooldown as if you replaced PMC with Thoma...
@@KategariYamipretty much, the first natlan character you have (Kinich) allows nightsoul bursts to trigger at a 18 sec cooldown. Having a second Natlan character like Mavuika would make it 12 seconds and a third like Ororon gives the minimum cooldown at 9 seconds. Traveler technically has no affiliation as seen in their profile tab so they won’t provide any reduction to the cooldown unlike Natlan characters whose affiliation section lists their tribes’ names.
"Don't even use them for Mualani teams" *proceeds to show why they're really good for Mualani* seriously, yes you need to hug enemies for the pyro application but... you already do that with Mualani anyway to get her shark bite stacks up? Like, I don't see the issue here...
The issue is simply that it doesn't really work in AoE. Not only does the skill have really poor range (as can be seen in this footage), but Mualani also attacks faster in AoE than in ST (and thus requires faster pyro app) due to her mechanics, which can and will make her miss vapes with PMC. As a result, a few pyro characters, some of them 4*, are better for her in AoE. There's also the fact that Mavuika just gives more buff to Mualani + has much higher personal dmg contribution, so even in single-target there's a better option. Does it make PMC bad with her ? Not really, they're at least a solid option in single-target, and you get them 100% for free as opposed to Mavuika As someone who doesn't have Mavuika, if I had Mualani, I'd play PMC with her in ST, but otherwise, I'd stick to other pyro off-fielders
@clementlassalle4317 I saw a teamcomp with PMC and Nahida to maintain the pyro aura while also buffing Mualani with scroll, so it's definitely usable, it won't be as strong as Mavuika or Xilonen but it's definitely a viable option if you have Nahida who's a good support for Mualani anyway
@Lanso-01 wdym, is it not worth using nahida? She gives EM for mualani and can help maintain the burning aura for her while also contributing with burgeon dmg every now and then, which helps with AoE dmg. I agree Emilie is a stronger pick cuz she does more dmg, but she doesn't contribute with anything else for mualani. Xiangling needs 300+ er to get her burst every rotation for mualani while traveler and mavuika only need their skill. They are both viable choices.
@@dina_solaire xiangling needs 280 50cr 2pc cinder fav R5, If you dont have that its on you. Nahida Q takes too much time, Kirara is a better alternative, because of c6 and aranara sword If c0r0 milie dont makeup for being with less 1 buffer or PMC cant hold pyro for e3n3q then better stick with the old team
Aren't u being a bit dramatic jamie? You shit on Pyro Traveler range but your gameplay in this video just proves it works... "you need to hug enemies with Mualani"... I mean... the gal just hugs enemies in general to mark them, what's the difference? Same thing with Thoma, he may have more range but you need to NA in the proper direction. I'd take a hitbox around me with little to no condition for activation over that. It just sucks if you use a range DPS that can't get closer. Like sure, it's ok to say Shinobu is vastly better for Hyperbloom, but sounds like you're overdoing it stating how bad Pyro Traveler's range is... Or at least show footages that actually prove your point and the flaw of the character. Like I sure do love your peak gameplay. But after watching the Thoma and Pyro Traveler Comparison for burgeon I was like... "It's the same thing". Anyway glad we get a viable traveler. Not what I imagined, but cool. Still a huge fan of Dendro Traveler tho. His range when his E is infused with Hydro is awesome. My only issue tbh is how he doesn't work with Pyro unless you're painfully careful.
they made him a pretty good unit against the boss but the base version is so replaceable, this goes to show that hoyo can make him good if they wanted but they refuse to
@ most of the female community who plays genshin are extremely casual players who doesn’t give a f about clearing all challenge content. So “aka girls”
@@danifit24 couldve just made your point without being cringe. there are guys that are casual and girls that follow the meta. just look at someone like moga vs sevy
I’ve been using PMC in the Emilie-PMC-Bennett-Furina team where you on field Emilie. Emilie has some insane multipliers and while there are a lot of options for last slot for the Emilie-Bennett-Furina core, PMC gives a bit of off field pyro to keep Burning going, gives pyro resonance and pops burgeons you get here and there. The problem with this team is that you’d have to give Deepwood to PMC and that means no Scroll buff, and swapping artifact sets is very, very annoying.
What about giving Deepwood to Emilie and Scroll to PMC ? I haven't farmed her burning set so that's what I would do I presume it would be worse than the hypothetical scenario where you she could hold the burning set and a third character deepwood, but unless you give it to Furina... (I mean, I guess it's possible, I know that in some teams Furina can hold TotM, but considering she should be getting some vapes in this team, harming her pseronal dmg doesn't sound too good either)
@ I don’t want to re farm the deepwood set. I think on paper Deepwood is only 1-2% behind the burning set but my burning set is top 2% on Akasha. It really depends on whether a potential 40% hydro and dendro buff is stronger than dendro res shred which benefits Emilie and the burgeons. I don’t think the Scroll set is worth it here, but I do have C2 Furina so maybe it is.
They're an upgrade over xiangling for my kinich and Raiden and Technically clorinde too Mainly because shorter rotation giving a buff can use a support weapon like freedom sworn of course these teams doesn't really care about single target or aoe or stealing aura
Honestly.. I remember seeing Wriothesley used with Pyro MC. It was really decent and fun to play, compared to Xiangling. Even though Xiangling is objectively better/stronger, it's still fun.
Let's gooooo a good burgeon trigger that triggers with their skill. My thoma doesn't have the energy restore constellation so using him as a burgeon trigger feels p annoying so I am looking forward to Pyro Traveller. The downside is that I'll have to sit through hours of Genshin yapping to unlock them
people forget kinich can also play in burgeon teams, which allows pyro traveler and mavuika to give a consistent scroll buff to dendro, hydro and pyro simultaneously. ofc, pyro traveler is very iffy in kinich burgeon cuz of their range, but mavuika is excellent, especially since she can even vape her burst nuke.
ini Kinich team with Emillie, what if I use Thoma with deepwood instead of Bennett (to free Bennett), It's annoying to not have defence option for Kinich and tied to Bennett Circle, how much difference of damage will it has? or will it create problem with refreshing the buffs on other enemies because there's a chance Thoma can accidentaly apply pyro instead of pyro traveler?
If it's a fight that lasts longer than 20s (for example a boss in Abyss) it's a good option. Otherwise scroll is better (Deepwood would be on another character like Emillie)
@@shion.amamiya hard to say since the team that suffers the most from range is burgeon but that team also needs the fastest hits. And unfortunately the hold E attacks a lot slower than tap
@@jamiekb9v I was mostly thinking Kinich and Mualani teams! Since they don't need as much pyro application? I only have Kinich & tap is kinda miserable to play in wave content or against very mobile enemies, so I usually hold PMC's skill...
@@shion.amamiya I was mentioning the interval for burgeon, but for kinich teams both tap and hold doesn't matter it just has slightly higher multiplier
Does pyro mc’s hold skill see any viability? It has a 3 second interval in application so could it be applicable for mualani teams? Kinich when in more ranged situations?
As a Kinich enjoyer I was one of the few satisfied with PMC's lackluster kit. I can fix the burning cinder city issue with burgeon but I'm a liiiiittle 🤏 bit bothered by PMC not triggering a nightsoul burst for Kinich's passive. Unless we get another pyro Natlan unit Kinich's full potential will be with Mavuika whom is obviously best played as a DPS.
I like how you always make unique videos. While every other creator talks about Citlali and Mavuika you are the only one I saw who bothered with Pyro traveler.
Although Tap E attacks faster than Hold E, they should have similar rates of application (once every 3s) due to ICD; Burgeon will clearly favor Tap E due to not caring about ICD, but outside of that, they have similar DMG multipliers (each hit of Tap E is approximately 1/3 the DMG as one hit of Hold E), so there shouldn't be a big difference in performance. I haven't tried yet, but just based on what I've seen, I'd expect to favor Hold E in teams like Clorinde and Kinich, as the coordinated attack from Hold E occurs at the opponent's position and should be effective at range. Though keep in mind that Tap E also doesn't risk losing procs during periods where you aren't attacking.
The fact i canjust put him on xilonen's weapon and cinder city set, and he becomes a very good support. My xilonen can just run another fav for my burn vape mualani/emelie team
Pyro traveller is good in a melt team with Citlali as well. Thats what I'm using them for until I get Mavuika to replace them. If I win the 50/50 that is...
im avoiding covering spoilers in the video but basically after the quest you hand in the flint ores at a specific area to unlock the real coinstellations. just google for more info 👍
for me it's been working in mualani teams personally,even though I'm not great at playing mualani. one thing is I can't seem to get her ult to vape so that's a pity
See my pyro traveler is a sub dps in my raiden team. 70-200 crit ratio on scroll. His hold skill does some decent damage. Plus his burst hits like 70k ish with 11k ish skill hits. Plus the extra overloads youre applying. I think in theory it could be better than the bennet variant. Once ive invested more into pmc skill lvl itll be better i think.
thoma is still the better choice for burgeon. his only downside is being burst reliant, but his cons reduce its cost by 15, kitain by 12, and bloom based teams in general does not have strict rotations so you can swap anytime to catch some particles. also fav is a great choice for any of his teammates so it can alleviate it further. mainly depends on the enemy (bosses and single enemies drop fewer particles) but you should still burst every rotation and still have close to 1000 em. tried pmc but their uptime is so bad. you can for sure use sac, but the em drop does not feel nice. didnt notice the aoe issues from my limited testing, but ig that just further shows how pmc might be comfier but better choices are present
1st rotation for procing overload: Sara E - Chevreuse Q, hold E - Mavuika tap E, Q - Sara Q - Clorinde Q then combo i guess that's the rotation? for second rotation onwards the overloads for Chevy have been occuring already, so you can skip Sara E in the beginning. i'm not that into playing Sara, so at the end where she bursts you may want to do the E then CA on the ground stuff. but i don't remember anymore, i think Q can buff the same
You get “C6” Pyro Traveler for free instantly, but the constellation effects only apply when fighting the Natlan weekly boss. You get their real cons by exchanging the Blazing Flint Ore (obtained from maxing reputation for each Natlan Tribe) in Ochkanatlan, but since only 5 tribes are available right now, you can only get C5 of their real cons. We’ll get access to C6 Pyro Traveler when we get Iansan & Varesa’s tribe, the Collective of Plenty, added
yes because they have the night soul mechanic. The only thing that doesn't work is the nightsoul burst for the cinder city set since they are technically not from Natlan which is funny after being the hero of Natlan.
Yeah Citlali is the key. On Natlan mobs, my damage doubled as I used to have. Ofcourse I got a strong piece recently, but your highest bullet doesnt just go up from 31k to 67k with just from substat improvement.
I like how I can hear the constant m1 clicking. It sounds exactly the same when me and my girlfriend play! *Click click click click click click click click click click*
Curious what his 6th Capitano buff is going to be. Noticed Ult doesn't heal team like it did in the final boss fight so personally kinda hoping that's what it will be.
it's genuinely a shame that she's not better, or even remotely comparable to xiangling in the raiden chevreuse team, especially since im doing less damage rotations with peak patrol r1 lmao. maybe if they reduced sara's burst to 18 seconds to line up with raiden instead of the 20 seconds, what were they thinking.
@@squallleonhart1463 ororon can hold scroll, but so does mavuika. hard to tell. need an actual dps calc compared to fischl. i'm not a theorycrafter, so can't help you. sorry
The fact that the Constellations only works in boss fight is a big middle finger to the traveler... Who the hell came up with this shit ? his skill doesn't even last 5 seconds.
Daim, they did Kinich so bad. None of the best Natlan supports work for him. Xilonen: does not support dendro, and no dendro reaction Citlali: does not support dendro, and no dendro reaction Ororon: scroll works, but Kinich is burning, not spread Traveler: can't refresh scroll Mavuika: can't refresh scroll, and she'll make this a Mavuika team Kachina: not even Kachina lol, no dendro reaction = no scroll
The dude forgot to add that you can further boost your oyro traveler if you give capitano flint stones which you can earn by maxing out tribe reputations
Pyro MC constellation sucks outside against Nathan weekly boss unable use Pyro infusion burst cast and whole bonus like DMG SPD and survivability than offer throne looks cooldown elemental pyro reaction standard apply can't deal 0.01sec elemental power without bother multiply talent dmg
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o7 Tomorrow jamie.
Genshin's meta is so weird the way we lack good off-field pyro application and a good excuse to use traveller that when Pyro MC's role is to do the bare fucking minimum, he becomes the least replaceable MC element. That is genuinely as hilarious as it is depressing as a triple-crowned traveller main lol.
@@nottherealendie wow nice to see a traveler main!
@jamiekb9v definite not a hardcore one since the only element I (used to) play was Geo, but yeah it just feels weird when the MAIN character gets benched lol
Traveler main here too and yeah it's really disappointing. I really hope we get the special boss cons without restrictions, that would elevate Pyro MC so much as a great healer and pyro shredder.
"insert xiangling copypasta"
@@nottherealendie Hoyo wants more money when Kuro doesn't like that
He's definitely going to be a staple for my Imaginary Theater lineups because that artifact set is THAT good. Can't really see myself using him for all that much else though.
yeah I used him in this theater cycle with random +0 4 star pieces and still worked out pretty well
Lets wait to see what the c6 does though, it might make the kit a lot better
@@leonardomadona his c6 is useless it gives pyro infusion and 40 cdmg on na
@@leonardomadona we already know. It gives pyro infusion. So it makes them a main dps
he is my +1 pyro for IT 😂
I love (hate) how they give you the Gosoythoth skills as a base (aka nothing) so you use the flint to upgrade them. It’s just a basic constellation system but they hid it so well not even leakers knew that’s how it worked until preload.
I think you really dont need leakers to understand that those flints are going to be used for pyro mc's cons. There are 6 tribes and there are 6 cons
After Hoyoverse fucked up made HYDRO MC unplayable gameplay elemental power for market trend online game, Hoyo made Pyro MC ridiculous bonus just weekly Nathan boss not whole challenges apply strength
@@arocomisgamusclademork1603c6 will be good
That's so funny because on the story/lore enjoyer side of things, everyone has known since September.
@@raihanrusli2720 The speculation was that Flints would *upgrade* normal constellations. And as we found out, they do “upgrade” them. Because we start with 6 constellations with no overworld effect. In a way that can’t even be considered an upgrade.
Wooooh, a 6% damage buff that's top notch exciting stuff.
To genshin players that's 60% lol
better than i expected honestly 😅
I mean, it could have been worse... It could have been 5%.
and the natlan versión was buff, used to be 12% insted of 15% more damage, minuscule, i know
15% dmg bonus at c1 is better than 12% dmg bonus from c6 of dendro mc
I think it’s worth noting that the pyro units on Kinich teams are often holding Deepwood. You’d be forced to go Deepwood Emilie if PMC gets Scroll so the trade off is worth consideration.
ye and emilie is damage is worth more than 40% dmg bonus that comes here and there , so the trade off is not good , just dont run it
@@sylent0253that’s not entirely true. Emilie on deepwood loses 18% Atk and gains 5% DMG bonus (15% deepwood + 40% hero compared to burning set)
She will do less damage but is definitely worth giving kinich 40% DMG bonus.
Unfortunately it stops being worth it in the second rotation when hero set stops working. If we get a second Dendro natlan unit, they’ll likely be BIS.
Deepwood is obviously on Dehya 😊
Damn... still nobody can beat bennett in terms of buffing potential. Even the goddamn pyro archon.
Circle Impact.
For the record, it's up to C5 available currently. Sounds like someone didn't do all their Tribal quests!
More like C11
Fun fact you get what equals their boss talent materials. From doing all quests in natlan that influence your pilgrims croicle.
I haven't done quest since inazuma. I guess PMC just ain't for me 😢
@@putent9623 I think Genshin just isn't for you
@@Hunter-im3tg highkey
0:03 correction you get their boss cons for only the boss you still have to unlock their cons though the Tribes reputation to get the flint for the overworld cons just wanted to put this here if no-one knew ( good video btw)
@@Kumi_Conners yep I just don’t want to go into too much detail to avoid spoilers for players since it’s new story
@@jamiekb9v True i know I just wanted to point that out because the game doesn't tell you anything like that or show an indication of that when you finish so i just wanted to point it out again cool show case on c0 traveler
True but i just wanted to point this out because the game doesn't tell you anything anything about this nor show you that you just a have a C0 version it tripped me up after the quest so sry for the intrusion I just hope they fix it in the future
It's so stupid that they can't trigger Nightsoul Burst. 2pc Scroll is absolutely useless if you don't have an actual Natlan teammate.
For Burning team, you need another Element to remove the Aura for the next rotation. Here's what I found:
- Furina works as usual
- Sigewinne's lack of Hydro is ironically helpful this time
- Citlali has enough Cryo to remove Burning & enabling Melt for Traveler/Mavuika's Burst
- Zhongli can remove Burning with his Burst
- Any Electro works
- Yelan & Xingqiu might be too much Hydro
Wait, you can't? But he has nightsoul state
the fact that you can do 1 milion damage with his burst makes him a good character in my book and so play him as main dps
1:10 its an additional 9%, so 6% for non natlan characters, and 15% for natlan characters
So kinich gets 65% not bad
@@putent9623 technically yes , practically u need another unit who holds deepwood, and no putting it on emilie removes more than waht ur getting for , especially if both are c0 with 4 star weapon
@sylent0253 on my account emilie C0R0 and I don't burning arti 😭 but my kinich is at least R1 so I think it might be worth it
I think my major problem with PMC is that the off field Skill lasts for... Half a millisecond. And that C1 is absolutely hilarious.
You can extend it to 10 sec by reacting with pyro
@@entropy8634
and by bursting
@@k5nz15 then it’d be 13 ish sec
@@entropy8634
then 18-13 is a 5 second downtime.
which is fine 'cuz the rotation needs to be refreshed anyway
@@k5nz15 downtime is fine but the application is bad (1 pyro app per 3 second), maybe only good on burgeon or/and just for Cinder city artifact holder
I was actually surprised by his high burst damage when it melts or vapes
If you have Mavuika c1 she should be able to burst reliably in raiden teams and that fixes that problem (in a very expensive way)
i'm waiting for someone make the C2 comparasion if the def reduction + Mavuika personal damage is enough to bridge the gap with Bennet atk buff lol.
I guess i will need to test myself once i activate Mavuika con 2 after making all the tests that i want at C0
@@lucasayabe tbh mavuika herself outdamages raiden with 3 buffs soooo
the hold skill was not shown in this, it has more consistent application but slightly slower once every 3 seconds has better AOE as well
I tried PMC in Mualani with Emilie and it felt kind of better than Dehya. With Dehya you are tied to cirle impact and her slow coordinated attack shenanigans which sometimes misses some enemies. But with PMC In this team you're chasing enemies with Mualani to mark them at point blank range anyway so it felt way more consistent. Plus PMC buffs Emilie with Scroll.
AAHHH I’ve been waiting for this thank youuu!!!
18:03 i dont completely agree here, i still prefer dmc over nahida in thundering furry and the same would go for cyno if i had him, im ignoring baizhu and emilie as viable supports here because i dont think many people have those
Dmc and nahida for cyno is iffy. Pre nahid made my cyno as weak as my xiao (no c6 faruzan, no xianyun, lvl 80) even while my cyno had his SiG. But with nahida he is comfortably one cycling without while being level 80, so he became on par with my crowned alhaitham and arle (arle has homa but alhaitham admittedly doesn't have a 5star at all).
@putent9623 of course nahida is *technically* better than dmc in every way, except for the off field dendro application. and since both razor and cyno cant swap out without losing their burst, i much prefer just running dmc (in multiwave at least)
@OfficialFo ye I think it has to do with threshold. Your cyno is at the threshold and mine isn't so he basically useless unless I plop nahida and can actually kill enemies. But I totally understand your sentiment.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown!
Does Pyro MC help trigger Kinich's A4 Passive? I've heard some people say that he doesn't help Kinich trigger it
Traveler isn’t from Natlan so they don’t reduce Nightsoul Burst’s Cooldown, even if they have Nightsoul mechanics.
If you don’t have any Natlanese characters, you won’t be able to activate Nightsoul Burst even with Pyro Traveler. If it’s Kinich + Pyro Traveler, the game calculates Nightsoul Burst CD as if there was only 1 Natlan character
afaik traveler only counts as natlan in terms of nightsoul for activating the scrolls artifact set, but not actually natlan in that he uses a nightsoul burst.
Wait I'm confused by this thread - since you're helping Kinich in this team, you have a Natlan character in the team... Yknow, Kinich. Apparently he won't reduce the cooldown of Nightsoul Bursts (which is determined by how many Natlan characters are in the team), so if it's just Kinich and PMC and like... Emilie Dehya, I guess your Nightsoul Burst has the same cooldown as if you replaced PMC with Thoma...
@@KategariYamipretty much, the first natlan character you have (Kinich) allows nightsoul bursts to trigger at a 18 sec cooldown. Having a second Natlan character like Mavuika would make it 12 seconds and a third like Ororon gives the minimum cooldown at 9 seconds.
Traveler technically has no affiliation as seen in their profile tab so they won’t provide any reduction to the cooldown unlike Natlan characters whose affiliation section lists their tribes’ names.
"Don't even use them for Mualani teams" *proceeds to show why they're really good for Mualani*
seriously, yes you need to hug enemies for the pyro application but... you already do that with Mualani anyway to get her shark bite stacks up? Like, I don't see the issue here...
The issue is simply that it doesn't really work in AoE. Not only does the skill have really poor range (as can be seen in this footage), but Mualani also attacks faster in AoE than in ST (and thus requires faster pyro app) due to her mechanics, which can and will make her miss vapes with PMC. As a result, a few pyro characters, some of them 4*, are better for her in AoE. There's also the fact that Mavuika just gives more buff to Mualani + has much higher personal dmg contribution, so even in single-target there's a better option. Does it make PMC bad with her ? Not really, they're at least a solid option in single-target, and you get them 100% for free as opposed to Mavuika
As someone who doesn't have Mavuika, if I had Mualani, I'd play PMC with her in ST, but otherwise, I'd stick to other pyro off-fielders
@clementlassalle4317 I saw a teamcomp with PMC and Nahida to maintain the pyro aura while also buffing Mualani with scroll, so it's definitely usable, it won't be as strong as Mavuika or Xilonen but it's definitely a viable option if you have Nahida who's a good support for Mualani anyway
@@dina_solaireno, doesnt worth using Nahida. Maybe emilie, If not Candace/succrose/xiangling remains the best team without Xilonen
@Lanso-01 wdym, is it not worth using nahida? She gives EM for mualani and can help maintain the burning aura for her while also contributing with burgeon dmg every now and then, which helps with AoE dmg. I agree Emilie is a stronger pick cuz she does more dmg, but she doesn't contribute with anything else for mualani. Xiangling needs 300+ er to get her burst every rotation for mualani while traveler and mavuika only need their skill. They are both viable choices.
@@dina_solaire xiangling needs 280 50cr 2pc cinder fav R5, If you dont have that its on you.
Nahida Q takes too much time, Kirara is a better alternative, because of c6 and aranara sword
If c0r0 milie dont makeup for being with less 1 buffer or PMC cant hold pyro for e3n3q then better stick with the old team
Aren't u being a bit dramatic jamie?
You shit on Pyro Traveler range but your gameplay in this video just proves it works...
"you need to hug enemies with Mualani"... I mean... the gal just hugs enemies in general to mark them, what's the difference?
Same thing with Thoma, he may have more range but you need to NA in the proper direction. I'd take a hitbox around me with little to no condition for activation over that. It just sucks if you use a range DPS that can't get closer.
Like sure, it's ok to say Shinobu is vastly better for Hyperbloom, but sounds like you're overdoing it stating how bad Pyro Traveler's range is...
Or at least show footages that actually prove your point and the flaw of the character. Like I sure do love your peak gameplay. But after watching the Thoma and Pyro Traveler Comparison for burgeon I was like... "It's the same thing".
Anyway glad we get a viable traveler. Not what I imagined, but cool. Still a huge fan of Dendro Traveler tho. His range when his E is infused with Hydro is awesome.
My only issue tbh is how he doesn't work with Pyro unless you're painfully careful.
Its kind of cool the pyro traveler has 12 constellation effects.
they made him a pretty good unit against the boss but the base version is so replaceable, this goes to show that hoyo can make him good if they wanted but they refuse to
@@mickysaifthey are not stupid, they know what they can sell. For super casual players aka girls - this is enough
@@danifit24wdym by “aka girls”?
@ most of the female community who plays genshin are extremely casual players who doesn’t give a f about clearing all challenge content. So “aka girls”
@@danifit24 couldve just made your point without being cringe. there are guys that are casual and girls that follow the meta. just look at someone like moga vs sevy
pmc and mualani can work in aoe and the trick is sucrose burst, i find it quite easy to pyro infuse it with pmc.
I’ve been using PMC in the Emilie-PMC-Bennett-Furina team where you on field Emilie. Emilie has some insane multipliers and while there are a lot of options for last slot for the Emilie-Bennett-Furina core, PMC gives a bit of off field pyro to keep Burning going, gives pyro resonance and pops burgeons you get here and there.
The problem with this team is that you’d have to give Deepwood to PMC and that means no Scroll buff, and swapping artifact sets is very, very annoying.
What about giving Deepwood to Emilie and Scroll to PMC ? I haven't farmed her burning set so that's what I would do
I presume it would be worse than the hypothetical scenario where you she could hold the burning set and a third character deepwood, but unless you give it to Furina... (I mean, I guess it's possible, I know that in some teams Furina can hold TotM, but considering she should be getting some vapes in this team, harming her pseronal dmg doesn't sound too good either)
@ I don’t want to re farm the deepwood set. I think on paper Deepwood is only 1-2% behind the burning set but my burning set is top 2% on Akasha.
It really depends on whether a potential 40% hydro and dendro buff is stronger than dendro res shred which benefits Emilie and the burgeons. I don’t think the Scroll set is worth it here, but I do have C2 Furina so maybe it is.
wait, so basically, if you use Sac Sword, you get more Nightsoul points, which means more E uptime if you use it twice in a row?
Yes but u have to have a low amount of night soul for it actually gain for if that make sense
No. The skill has a line saying using it will always set you to 42 nightsoul points, so sac sword doesnt work
@Meese12 well, that sucks. I guess one of the cons increases the duration of the E?
@@HaxHaunter yeah c2 generates nightsoul whenever someone triggers a pyro reaction
They're an upgrade over xiangling for my kinich and Raiden and Technically clorinde too
Mainly because shorter rotation giving a buff can use a support weapon like freedom sworn of course these teams doesn't really care about single target or aoe or stealing aura
Thanks for the thorough guide & showcase, man
Is pmc a good replacement to xiangling as a cinder city buffer for navia?
Geo doesn’t exist as an aura so the traveler cannot trigger cinder city for navia. Kachina is pretty good for her tho
You can use Navia/PMC( 4pc tenacity)/kachina(scrolls)/Bennet(noblesse) as an f2p team
Honestly.. I remember seeing Wriothesley used with Pyro MC.
It was really decent and fun to play, compared to Xiangling. Even though Xiangling is objectively better/stronger, it's still fun.
Xiangling copypasta
Let's gooooo a good burgeon trigger that triggers with their skill. My thoma doesn't have the energy restore constellation so using him as a burgeon trigger feels p annoying so I am looking forward to Pyro Traveller. The downside is that I'll have to sit through hours of Genshin yapping to unlock them
Thoma still fine for burgeon. Only upside of pmc is no need to be auto attacking. Other upside is natlan nightsoul mechanics
how does nightsoul matter here in burgeon
@mickysaif i didnt (and wouldn't) say nightsoul helps burgeon. But it enables other shenanigans too
so excited to hear your thoughts on mavuika and citlali! you are one of the most important pillars in our genshin community
people forget kinich can also play in burgeon teams, which allows pyro traveler and mavuika to give a consistent scroll buff to dendro, hydro and pyro simultaneously. ofc, pyro traveler is very iffy in kinich burgeon cuz of their range, but mavuika is excellent, especially since she can even vape her burst nuke.
You cant have 2 scroll buffs active from 2 different holders at the same time.
What do u think of neuvillette burn vape with pyro traveller?
ini Kinich team with Emillie, what if I use Thoma with deepwood instead of Bennett (to free Bennett), It's annoying to not have defence option for Kinich and tied to Bennett Circle, how much difference of damage will it has? or will it create problem with refreshing the buffs on other enemies because there's a chance Thoma can accidentaly apply pyro instead of pyro traveler?
About kinich, is PMC Scroll better than deepwood?
yes, put deepwood on literally any other member of the party, you want kinich to get as many buffs as possible.
If it's a fight that lasts longer than 20s (for example a boss in Abyss) it's a good option. Otherwise scroll is better (Deepwood would be on another character like Emillie)
I use the hold E for kinich temas which is better for the problem about AoE since the hold E is a coordinated attack
Useful information. Thanks.
Would holding his E not solve some of the issues of range in some teams?
@@shion.amamiya hard to say since the team that suffers the most from range is burgeon but that team also needs the fastest hits. And unfortunately the hold E attacks a lot slower than tap
the hold skill has 3 secs interval which is worse than dehya
@@jamiekb9v I was mostly thinking Kinich and Mualani teams! Since they don't need as much pyro application?
I only have Kinich & tap is kinda miserable to play in wave content or against very mobile enemies, so I usually hold PMC's skill...
@@mickysaif I was talking about range, not rate of application...
@@shion.amamiya I was mentioning the interval for burgeon, but for kinich teams both tap and hold doesn't matter it just has slightly higher multiplier
Does he apply enough in a Wriothesley burn melt team?
Burn doesn’t involve cryo last time I checked
@@Ben-v6z3s burn enemies for consitent pyro then melt
Yes
Does pyro mc’s hold skill see any viability? It has a 3 second interval in application so could it be applicable for mualani teams? Kinich when in more ranged situations?
As a Kinich enjoyer I was one of the few satisfied with PMC's lackluster kit. I can fix the burning cinder city issue with burgeon but I'm a liiiiittle 🤏 bit bothered by PMC not triggering a nightsoul burst for Kinich's passive.
Unless we get another pyro Natlan unit Kinich's full potential will be with Mavuika whom is obviously best played as a DPS.
lots of people have c2/c3 raiden despite being f2p
I agree I pulled one copy every banner as f2p and got my c2 last year on 4.3 along with c6 sara and c5 chevreuse
that doesnt mean that the first ascencion pasive of the travaler isnt working propely?
constellation is lock for the weekly boss only?
Finally someone post something about this
Pls do an in depth guide for overload teams also great work on this video once again!
I like how you always make unique videos. While every other creator talks about Citlali and Mavuika you are the only one I saw who bothered with Pyro traveler.
Have you experienced his hold E? Does it make a difference in other team options like Mualani or small ranged teams?
🤔 never found a use for his hold E yet unless enemies were out of range e.g high above
@@jamiekb9vwould hold E for Clorinde teams be better? 🤔
Although Tap E attacks faster than Hold E, they should have similar rates of application (once every 3s) due to ICD; Burgeon will clearly favor Tap E due to not caring about ICD, but outside of that, they have similar DMG multipliers (each hit of Tap E is approximately 1/3 the DMG as one hit of Hold E), so there shouldn't be a big difference in performance. I haven't tried yet, but just based on what I've seen, I'd expect to favor Hold E in teams like Clorinde and Kinich, as the coordinated attack from Hold E occurs at the opponent's position and should be effective at range. Though keep in mind that Tap E also doesn't risk losing procs during periods where you aren't attacking.
@@jamiekb9v I feel like his hold E is only useful if you're trying to melt with him or something.
I made a burgeon team with traveler and even though I only have YaoYao for dendro, it's still great
The fact i canjust put him on xilonen's weapon and cinder city set, and he becomes a very good support. My xilonen can just run another fav for my burn vape mualani/emelie team
Why isn't mine doing the slash attack, i saw him doing it in the archon quest 😮.
fairly sure you could one-rotate that boss with pyro traveler if you upgrade his stats and use sara to buf his nuke.
Pyro Kuki?
Pyro traveller is good in a melt team with Citlali as well. Thats what I'm using them for until I get Mavuika to replace them. If I win the 50/50 that is...
yes you can get nice nuke showcases with travelers burst
Am i missing something all i got are the domain effects from his constelations
im avoiding covering spoilers in the video but basically after the quest you hand in the flint ores at a specific area to unlock the real coinstellations. just google for more info 👍
for me it's been working in mualani teams personally,even though I'm not great at playing mualani. one thing is I can't seem to get her ult to vape so that's a pity
Are you planning to do mavuika/citlali post realese review/testing?
Question:
how will mauvika's 200 fighting spirit interact the wavefin breaker spear?
Does raiden E could buff mauvika's burst ?
energy and spirit are completely different, you won't get any buff from raiden skill or the weapons that rely on energy cost
See my pyro traveler is a sub dps in my raiden team. 70-200 crit ratio on scroll. His hold skill does some decent damage. Plus his burst hits like 70k ish with 11k ish skill hits. Plus the extra overloads youre applying. I think in theory it could be better than the bennet variant. Once ive invested more into pmc skill lvl itll be better i think.
U never talked about his hold elemental skill??
thoma is still the better choice for burgeon. his only downside is being burst reliant, but his cons reduce its cost by 15, kitain by 12, and bloom based teams in general does not have strict rotations so you can swap anytime to catch some particles. also fav is a great choice for any of his teammates so it can alleviate it further. mainly depends on the enemy (bosses and single enemies drop fewer particles) but you should still burst every rotation and still have close to 1000 em.
tried pmc but their uptime is so bad. you can for sure use sac, but the em drop does not feel nice. didnt notice the aoe issues from my limited testing, but ig that just further shows how pmc might be comfier but better choices are present
what's the rotation for that clorinde overload with mavuika?
1st rotation for procing overload:
Sara E - Chevreuse Q, hold E - Mavuika tap E, Q - Sara Q - Clorinde Q then combo
i guess that's the rotation?
for second rotation onwards the overloads for Chevy have been occuring already, so you can skip Sara E in the beginning.
i'm not that into playing Sara, so at the end where she bursts you may want to do the E then CA on the ground stuff. but i don't remember anymore, i think Q can buff the same
I’m here for it let’s go!
wait how did u get his c6? 0:05
You have to complete the Archon quest
The C6 is the one used on the archon quest, not it’s “true” C6. We will only get it when Hoyo release Iansan’s tribe (I forgot the name)
You get “C6” Pyro Traveler for free instantly, but the constellation effects only apply when fighting the Natlan weekly boss.
You get their real cons by exchanging the Blazing Flint Ore (obtained from maxing reputation for each Natlan Tribe) in Ochkanatlan, but since only 5 tribes are available right now, you can only get C5 of their real cons. We’ll get access to C6 Pyro Traveler when we get Iansan & Varesa’s tribe, the Collective of Plenty, added
@@douglanmar Collectors of Plenty
thats not a real c6 its just the story mode boss one. The max real constellation you can get is c5
I've a question, does that natlan only dps artifacts set works on traveler for crit rate or no?
Yes, it works with them...
it does work
yes because they have the night soul mechanic. The only thing that doesn't work is the nightsoul burst for the cinder city set since they are technically not from Natlan which is funny after being the hero of Natlan.
What about Chasca? She's my only Natlan DPS but Traveler doesn't seem to be an upgrade over her Ororon/Furina/Bennett team...
if you want upgrades to her you should get citlali
Yeah Citlali is the key. On Natlan mobs, my damage doubled as I used to have. Ofcourse I got a strong piece recently, but your highest bullet doesnt just go up from 31k to 67k with just from substat improvement.
He's okay for chasca reverse melt ( Layla, Bennett and pyro Mc) but of course forward melt should be better (any cryo, Bennett and citlali)
Citlali is S, to you, SSS+
oh yes i do use him on my raiden chev team
7:00 important thing to mention
PMC does not contribute to the global cooldown of Nighsoul Bursts, as he his not a Natlan character
Traveler being the crowned hero of Natlan with an ancient name made after them and still not being included in this is fucking hilarious
@@Doobydoe actually hilarious 🤣
Oh wow
Nice pfp
Is the raiden you used in the showcase c2?
Yeah I believe it is as mentioned in another video.
he showed cons
Is tap E always better than hold E?
I like how I can hear the constant m1 clicking. It sounds exactly the same when me and my girlfriend play! *Click click click click click click click click click click*
Can you get pyro traveler without having to do the natlan main missions ? 🤔
You unlock in Natlan chapter 5
Curious what his 6th Capitano buff is going to be. Noticed Ult doesn't heal team like it did in the final boss fight so personally kinda hoping that's what it will be.
its a pyro infusion with a normal attack crit dmg buff.
40% NA Crit Dmg 😲🥵🫡🤑🔥💀
I think holding his skill instead of tapping on the kinich team is better, but im not 100% sure
It's just lame they locked the resonance behind the latest story, because clearly the best scenario is if this character is available to new players.
3:14 fym she's not amazing?
She's the *GOAT*
>before you ask about mualani, don't bother
nooooooo
it's genuinely a shame that she's not better, or even remotely comparable to xiangling in the raiden chevreuse team, especially since im doing less damage rotations with peak patrol r1 lmao. maybe if they reduced sara's burst to 18 seconds to line up with raiden instead of the 20 seconds, what were they thinking.
i use him with mualani and it really buffing mualani.
So who is better for clorinde?
mavuika
@k5nz15 with fishl?or better ororon
@@squallleonhart1463
ororon can hold scroll, but so does mavuika.
hard to tell. need an actual dps calc compared to fischl.
i'm not a theorycrafter, so can't help you. sorry
@@squallleonhart1463 i would say c6 sara > ororon > fischl for damage ceiling, but for ease of use it may be the reverse order.
The fact that the Constellations only works in boss fight is a big middle finger to the traveler...
Who the hell came up with this shit ?
his skill doesn't even last 5 seconds.
Daim, they did Kinich so bad. None of the best Natlan supports work for him.
Xilonen: does not support dendro, and no dendro reaction
Citlali: does not support dendro, and no dendro reaction
Ororon: scroll works, but Kinich is burning, not spread
Traveler: can't refresh scroll
Mavuika: can't refresh scroll, and she'll make this a Mavuika team
Kachina: not even Kachina lol, no dendro reaction = no scroll
I like dendro traveler the most
Try holding the e-skill.
The dude forgot to add that you can further boost your oyro traveler if you give capitano flint stones which you can earn by maxing out tribe reputations
@@afroman8001 I’m avoiding covering story spoilers in the video.
Pyro MC constellation sucks outside against Nathan weekly boss unable use Pyro infusion burst cast and whole bonus like DMG SPD and survivability than offer throne looks cooldown elemental pyro reaction standard apply can't deal 0.01sec elemental power without bother multiply talent dmg
Are we really judging a kit that is not even complete as it lacks *A FULL CONSTELLATION???*
Wow.
Well the last constellation turns him into a dps which not many are interested in
anemo traveler for speedrun enjoyers where?
This being the best traveler kit so far is very sad
traveler multipliers are so bad that he only works with Dendro - HMC,DMC, PMC, EMC
now he is good enough to make it to the bottom of the tierlist!
Hydro MC above pyro MC who can hold cinder city?????
@@zyrr1an why the ????? they are not ranked by strenght
TLDW; Dendro Trav still best Trav, Hydro Trav still worst Trav.
notification gang 🗣️
i feel like pyro traveler makes dehya look good
No, you're wrong
@@olyabutorina6869😂 icant
This thread is tripping balls. Dehya is good coz she's a great defensive option. Chill everyone haiyah
@@olyabutorina6869 she has better uptime + defensive utility, no?
@@olyabutorina6869 but dehya has better pyro application + some defensive utility
ngl you did a really bad job of showcasing traveler’s aoe…
I would suggest a top down comparison with Kuki as a start.
I tried playing this bozo in burgeon 😭😭😭😭
Finally