This can show even if characters are not considered strong by the community, it's possible if you are dedicated to the character & practice you can get unbelievable performance. Pull who you like and learn them! Also be nice to the other creators, we just did this on stream for fun. Its ok to have different opinions since we all play differently
There maybe two or three genshin CC I am still subscribed, you are one of them, because you talk the talk and walk the walk, pre-release takes is another story. You absolutely right about it depending about try-hard vs casual, I personally think "how well this character clicks with me" and nobody takes this in account, despite everyone having their opinion based on their experience with that character, which is exactly means how well they work for you. Eula clicks with me so well, I can clear abyss easily ignoring most mechanics by face tanking, she feels braindead easy, and she still doesn't have perfect support yet like Neuvi and Arle, so she still have room to grow. And the fact you know their potential outside of spreadsheet, and account for nuances, You are winner, and still my top CC I like to watch. Thank you
I'm still baffled at why Hoyo thought Mika, the dedicated Physical buffer, should buff Attack Speed...when every character meant to be a Physical DPS is a *Claymore* (Eula, Xinyan, Razor - Xinyan also does CAs which Mika doesnt work on, and Razor already has 40% ATK speed from his Burst. And then the next Phys DPS they made, Freminent was another Claymore) and gets little to nothing at all from Attack Speed. Dedicated ATK Speed buffer and dedicated Phys buffer should have been two separate characters. Mika could go crazy if Hoyo ever releases a Physical DPS with low or no hitlag though, such as a Bow Normal Attack DPS, or maybe Sword or Polearm.
Because Eula builds her stack from the number of attacks she can do. The faster she can swing, the higher the stack can be. Song of Broken Pine buffs attack speed too.
The problem is his kit is good, but very much like Dehya feels like they shaved a bit of their kit here and there just for them to not be functional, like someone sawing legs off a table. Mika could've better uptime on the buffs, apply cryo off field, give crit rate, reduce phys resistance and restore energy for the on fielder. And if they followed Faruzan design, on the C6 add an AoE effect like the abyss has which deals aoe phys dmg around for the on fielder when they deal physical dmg and boom, Eula is reworked. She would run with Furina, Mika and an Electro char Also, attack speed isn't even a bad stat for Eula, hitlag of claymore, unlike most community think, reduces atk speed effects by at most 15% depending on the char. The problem still is that Eula has a piece of rotting garbage shit kit design which cucks her way too hard.
I completely agree that unpopular characters tend to get a ton of misinformation thrown around. From Klee being described as having no good team, wanting to vape but not having enough offfield hydro, or being very weak and bad, to Ayaka being described as having very bad damage (???) once a character's usage rate goes down, it's only a matter of time before misconceptions form and people who have never played the characters end up criticising them for things that are often false or exaggerated. Regarding Ayaka, she is a funny character. When lineups aren't awful to her, she feels super comfortable to play. Probably one of the easiest teams I have. But when the lineup is bad for her, as happened several times in Fontaine, her team becomes more sweaty tryhard and requires more skill and effort to clear. As a sweaty tryhard who occasionally likes playing strong easy teams that works out perfectly for me, but I can understand some people being frustrated at the variance, or not wanting to bother with her because they prefer a team that's always easy to clear with.
From a mathematical perspective if a character is unpopular there is less people that is knowledgeable about the character and more chance that less knowledgeable people spread more misinformation, and less opportunities to read about correct information... Damn.
@planetary-rendez-vous the easy solution would be for people to not speak about things they don't know about, or doing research for themselves instead of trusting some random RUclips or Reddit comment. but that's too much work for some people lol
Yeah, the bit about "most enemies nowadays is resistant to Physical" is false too. There's an entry in Genshin Wiki about enemy resistance, and it shows that the only enemies that are truly resistant to Physical are Ruin machines. Human-type enemies like the Fatui and Eremites are actually WEAKER to Physical.
another thing that I think makes people underestimate Eula is the fact that she can't pick up particles during her burst animation, they'll like play mika or rosaria or whatever with fav and try and catch the particles with eula mid animation, only to learn that she is missing 40 energy in when they start their next rotation. it's very clunky and doesn't *feel* good to play, so it makes the character seem worse off. and it's not their fault too, hoyo should fix this but apparently it's a feature according to them
yea only a few characters have that 'feature' like bennett and kaeya have it too but eula gets punished for it the hardest as an 80 burst cost hypercarry
Jamie fighting an uphill battle with these Eula takes, but I respect it. I’m coping heavy that she eventually gets some of the Xiao treatment cause Mika and Raiden are not it.
@@purechi_You still need a cryo battery on eula team despite raiden, you cannot fit in raiden supports so she does pathetic damage, and no damage buff for eula. I've never understood why raiden was considered that good for eula anyways.
Ayaka's problem was never about damage. Kinda weird seeing takes all the time about her damage specifically. Well, I know it's just people with goldfish memories and new toy bias. Eula too, but she was always an unpopular unit for whatever reason.
This is exactly what I'm saying too. It's like people have just forgotten about how Ayaka was dominating everything when freeze was good. She does good damage, the game is just perma shafting her.
@@Glast04 her damage is not top tier now but still high tier her burst alone are able to produce clears on par with Hutao, Raiden c2 etc. Why would she suddenly becomes a low tier is beyond me. There's alot of pretender around trying to say that they got c2 yadayada and losing dps to new carries, but imo in reality they are just parrots or just actually suck at playing her. I am confident with Jamie's skill he can demonstrate how Ayaka is underrated.
@@ChiyoTachi Well, you said it yourself. Ayaka being on pair with raiden and hutao in the past was amazing, being on pair with them now just means she is another old unit that got powercreept. I love Ayaka and i will love that they give freeze teams a buff/change, but compared with characters like Neuv, Arle... the amount of damage that you expect from a dps + the comfort you sacrifice tom get that damage got way higher than what Ayaka offers you atm. Doesnt mean that she as a character is bad but she got powercreept (same as hutao and raiden) and it was bound to happen. She will remain a comfort pic for those who already have her but another character that you play on specific situations or just when you feel like it.
I can't say I'm speaking for a general populace but I can at least explain what I don't like about Ayaka, mine is c0 with a 4 star sword, I don't have shenhe so my most commonly used team for her is rosaria kokomi kazuha. My main problem with her is she just feels inconsistent and doesn't have a lot of good match ups like content with multiwave enemies that spawn far away from each other were very common in 4.X and 3.X updates. She also feels extremely bad when she comes just short of one rotating an enemy based on my investment level which usually results in me having to decide between setting up a second rotation to burst with and massively overkill an enemy leaving me with not enough ER for the next chamber/wave or having to use my normal attacks to slowly whittle away at the enemy. I know if you're speedrunning/minmaxxing your investment you're not gonna necessarily have the same problems as me but if I'm setting up a tier list for which units are better for general use I'd imagine a skill based dps with a consistent output and more generally favorable match ups like Rizzley would wind up on a higher spot than Ayaka or Eula for me (Although not sure how I'd compare him to ganyu)
I am a bit more invested (Mistsplitter) and i think you are correct. I did clear this Abyss with Ayaka first side because this was the first Abyss in a long time in which she didn't felt meh or bad. But the Beasts were still an issue with the reduced Freeeze time as sometimes they just yeeted themself out with an attack they do. Yes, with some resetting i got it consistently but this wasn't worth the extra time spent. Add that Zajeff looks at C0 and some of these teams did have some very impactfull cons which is the reason why they clear so fast. And their artifact Investment is often stupidly high + the ER is optimized for those rooms while also booking which is all stuff Zajeff doesn't considerd/has lower standards.
As a tryhard, I see most people say easier=better. So any character with conveniences are just rated better, even if dmg is similar. Personally, i think Ayaka and Wriothesly are on par with each other. Wrio is just easier to use. People try to cite his team diversity as a strength over Ayaka, which is true...but does that really matter? That's more of a "pull value" argument, not the strength of a character.
I mean, if you can get equal performance for less work, that DOES make the easier character better. The harder character should be doing more damage to make up for it in order to be considered on par.
idk sometimes my ayaka (c4) does somehow worse than my wrio (c1), even though i play like for ever on ayaka (ganyu feels even worse sadly, i would love to get some cryo bufs, bcs i love cryo characters) but it rlly depends on the abyss, i think they are more or less the same at c0, but how easy wrio is (in general bcs u can do the dash cancel to get most dmg), u have like 1 character that only plays in freeze and the other one can go in almost any team and do the same, maybe thats why people say he is better? In general i would agree he is better (but it rlly does depens on the type of enemies, like the 3 fatui guys in natlan, i killed them with easy on ayaka while with wrio i was so hard sweating, maybe bcs he doesnt have enough cons xd) now i am only waiting for ayakas and wrios rerun to get them some cons, i think ayaka c6 is gonna be hella broken , cant wait for there reruns ^-^ (btw i dont hate ayaka nor wrio, i like them both veeeery much)
@Pheonee You're making the case that easier= better, but that's the premise I disagree with. I see it as effort vs simple characters, where players like me prefer characters that aren't just button mashing.
@@PheoneeI think the main issue with Wrio vs. Ayaka is match up. If Ayaka has a good match up she kinda stomps. Ayaka should be stronger than Wrio but her bad match ups are really bad and that's what made her so meh the last Abyss cycles. You can make her work but the question is: Is it worth the time doing that? Or is using a slightly weaker carry with much more consistent match ups not just better? Yes, his match ups are never as good as Ayakas good match ups but he isn't as bad as Ayaka in her bad match ups. And i do think that's the main reason why i rate Wrio higher (and i think that's the main arugment for Zajeff too if i understood him correctly).
as a cryo lover (cos of shenhe and ayaka :D), i loved watching this and getting your insights on all of it! im glad u think Eula is good and just needs better teammates! And its good to hear your confirmation on Mika being bad for her. I tried him out with her and just didnt like it, even though a lot of ppl on Eulamains recommended him in their fav team
I mean Mika does everything you want, nice buffs (at C6), team heals for Furina and batteries with cryo particles+fav. Saying he's bad with Eula is just wrong. He's only specifically bad for C6 Eula that wants to pop the burst with switch out.
i think you might have got unlucky, a quick search on reddit shows many eula mains recently complaining about him 😅r/EulaMains/comments/1gfe29a/do_many_people_actually_consider_mika_as_a_bad/
that is whats so frustrating eula is a good carry with a shit team and she takes all the fault for it, also i appriciate you man you are pretty much the only genshin cc that actually understands physical
I love Eula, but the problems are her energy issues and backloaded damage into one hit, not the team. The team is actually great for a theoretical physical DPS focused on fast normal attacks.
She can use Bennet and furina and they’re def not dooky , so I wouldn’t blame her team for her issues. Yea the electro slot is never ideal but like 1 mid slot should not ruin a good character’s team (all the top dps’s r still good w 1 not-ideal teammate). She prob straight up just doesn’t have good multipliers anymore when compared to newer characters.
@@danielcarrilho5217 she outputs all her dmage in 10 seconds and you can detonate any time for lower damage tell me if we assume same damage per roataion how would someone like xiao clear faster when he needs 17 seconds to do it? being backloaded is not the issue people think it is. The real issues is the energy and rotation lenght, which is sure eula fault but also something that can esily be solved with a good team, xiao also has prefunnel issues to a lesser extent the solution is a charcater that generates particles during the carries field time, or better yet a 5* burst support that does what xilonen's c2 does for electro characters very simple math team with 52k dps in a 26 sec rotation is 84.5k dps in 16 sec and it works fo eula because she has 12 second downtime 6 goes for setup 6 is just do nothing right now and that last point awfully feels like bennet/kazuha/yelan is great for a pyro vape carry but its bad for itto so itto, when i say shit team i mean for the carry, and even then furina loses more than 12k personal dps in a phys team and i would not call that good
@@nazarboghosian there is a difference between a mid support and an active dps sink like raiden, its really easy to demonstarte put raiden in a neuvilette team and do a full burst with raiden and see how much of dps loss she is compared to the best options and even in this position raiden will deal more damage because of either kazuha or xilonen. im not kidding albedo in mono geo from offield outperforms raiden in physical, her buff equals to about 12% dmg bonus and her teamwide energy restore is aband aid solution to a team where every member has anti synergy with everyone else and its 3 not ideal teamates in fact find me a character that still performs well after you replace everyone on their team by their second best option there are a few like neuvilett but most aren't like that. Furina staright up loses half her dmage in a phys team she should a be an atk scaling cryo that does phys dmg, massively reducing both her and eul's er requirenments and now she would benefit from the teamwide 60% atk and 65% phys res shred. Raiden should be a burst support like xilonen c2 electro part 52k dps in 26 sec rotation is 84.5k in 16 sec rotation And bennet is nice but most characters have better options he really is most valuable to pyro carries because in those cases he also gives pyro resonance and 15% dmg bonus at c6 and he aslo gets better when you have someone to snapshot his burst
@danielcarrilho5217 she outputs all her dmage in 10 seconds and you can detonate any time for lower damage tell me if we assume same damage per roataion how would someone like xiao clear faster when he needs 17 seconds to do it? being backloaded is not the issue people think it is. The real issues is the energy and rotation lenght, which is sure eula fault but also something that can esily be solved with a good team, xiao also has prefunnel issues to a lesser extent the solution is a charcater that generates particles during the carries field time, or better yet a 5* burst support that does what xilonen's c2 does for electro characters very simple math team with 52k dps in a 26 sec rotation is 84.5k dps in 16 sec and it works fo eula because she has 12 second downtime 6 goes for setup 6 is just do nothing right now and that last point awfully feels like bennet/kazuha/yelan is great for a pyro vape carry but its bad for itto so itto, when i say shit team i mean for the carry, and even then furina loses more than 12k personal dps in a phys team and i would not call that good
Honestly the biggest problem with Ayaka is how most of her best teams uses a character that doesn't exist anymore... The fact that Shenhe didn't re run before natlan and they plan to put a new cryo unit make me thing that a new better version of her will be put out and she will never re run probably, but that will buff ayaka as well. I feel bad for her since she is still one of my fav designs in game but she is basically tied to Ayaka and I don't enjoy her gameplay.
Bad planning on Hoyo’s part - Chevy, Sara, Mika, Faruzan, etc. - niche supports should be four starts, not limited 5 stars. Yes, it’s a crime many of them are locked behind C6, but at least they’re not locked behind the rerun iron gate.
Definitely think you are over estimating Chong. The Abyss cycles he saw speedrun usage for were for some of the lowest hp bosses to ever be in abyss. Triple Kenki, Ruin serpent and Wenut have low hp in abyss to account for their mechanics. Especially old Ruin serpent which had an hp penalty putting it at around 800k hp
Mika was a stab in the heart of us Eula fan. But yes. We could get an electro off fielder that does some electro to keep up superconduct, a cryo damage amplifier that work also as a battey, and a way to free us from bennet.
Yeah, Eula needs a third same element character like that buffs after triggering superconduct and does some off field physical dmg. An electro physical off field DPS would help Eula’s overall team DPR quite significantly to competitive levels. She needs those two things. Mika is alright but he’s not enough. I truly believe Citlali will be for Eula what Xianyun was for Xiao.
Rosaria as my carry today against the electro turtle event boss was refreshing (used to main her). Hope cryo gets more unique support down the pipeline.
I wouldn't really say Kinich has much in common with Wrio especially in terms of speedrunning. Kinich is more like Natlan's Clorinde with currently scuffed teammates but solid numbers (which wrio lacks even at C1R1), like Kinich's mid cost runs are neck to neck with post Xilonen Arlecchino runs at similar cost and there's an actual C0 Kinich run at 60s on youtube.
The problem of freminet is he (like eula) is also a DPS who requires and rewards great amount of investment, but as far as i know there are -2 dedicated freminet mains out there. Overall he is surprisingly one of the good 4* dps's out there
What I love about Wriothesley is that he is a bit easier to build and to put in with different team comps because hunter set is universal, unlike blizzard set that is best used in freeze team so Ayaka lost there and if I remember correctly, if you have c6 Bennet then Ayaka lose her cryo infusion. And as I'm a mobile user, Ganyu is too clunky to play for me. Too bad my first limited 5* character is Ayaka and she's still stayed at lv1 😢 I don't know if I'd still build her. Anyway I only have 4* weapons and only Itto and Arlecchino have their signature weapon.
ha! I pulled Ganyu because I'm mobile. But that's more for overworld exploration like popping the balloon flowers and not having to worry about super precise than abyss
@lulufortytwo3884 that's nice. I just don't like bow characters usually since they have to charge their bow to attack and for me it's a bit clunky. The only bow character I like with this playstyle is Tighnari since his charged attack is instant with the first 3.
Hunter set is applicable b/c of internal HP manipulation mechanics. At C0, you must monitor his HP, and his CA damage is capped. Ayaka is more complicated to build and play, but in my opinion, she’s still a better damage dealer.
@@CarlosAnglada yes that's what I mean. Hunter set on Wrio can be used in every team comp and he's easier to play for me. And as you said as well, Ayaka is more complicated to play. I like her design, she's so beautiful, but playing as her is a bit hard. Also if you miss her ult, that's too much dps loss.
If we had generic supports that were cryo and electro and were as good as Bennett, Xilonen, Furina, Kazuha, etc., Eula might actually be alright. Huge problem right now is that she wants a lot of specific things in her teams (tons of cryo energy, superconduct, some defensive utility, the usual hypercarry buffs) and there aren't a lot of units that provide those things that are also very good.
And if I said I've been clearing abyss with Eula and MonoGeo ever since her chronicled wish run, with Furina, Mika c0, and an EM Kuki bc I'm too lazy to swap to a tenacity build 😭 I'm scared for the next abysses every time, but I wanna believe she'll still do ok...
@lazyremnant380 yeah! Timing's not pretty, but she manages to clear. I believe for PMA's half I use the MonoGeo team, then just use Eula in the other one (unless one half specifically benefits Geo a lot, and it happens to not be on the PMA's side). To be honest though? Ruin machines don't feel too terrible to fight against. Elemental checks I can't brute-force are more of an issue imo, but that's not something I can complain with those 2 being my favorite teams (°v°") even mobile enemies can get decently grouped up with patience/practice/learning attack patterns. The toughest abysses for me are the iniquitous baptist ones, but if need be, the dreaded Eula hyperbloom makes an appearance 😅 (usually with Baizhu, Furina and Kuki)
@@Kuz_Quartz Damn, your Eula can bruteforce Ruin machines' massive 70% physical resistance? Well I guess the "ultimate Eula main" showcased in this video did that too... Did you give her Song of Broken Pines?
@lazyremnant380 she's c0, running pale flame and Verdict. I didn't start recording my successful clears until this very abyss, but I'll see if by any chance I find a screenshot from the PMA abyss summary!! Just to confirm the other team + see if she went on that half or the other. Edited to add: found one! On the August 16th 2024 abyss update, she indeed went against the PMA, with Monogeo on the second half.
@@Kuz_Quartz I have Verdict too, but I loathe putting it on my Eula because it looks so out of place on her hand 😂 I've been building her around the assumption of not using crit weapon (because Broken Pines is not a crit weapon), but I'm just stuck at 72/158.... I'll need a godly roll on a double crit Pale Flame physical goblet for further improvement 🥲
I would love to see an entire video dedicated to Eula misconceptions and how to actually use her. I love her caracter and really wanna pull for her, but everyone keeps saying that she's trash and cannot clear abyss without wale investment 😢
no shit you play more viewer accounts with ayaka. shes one of the top 3 simped for characters. while wriothesley is literally the most unowned rarest 5 star in the entire game. outside of speed runs id say ayaka is worse than wrio. I also wouldn't say he's more expensive either lets be honest shenhe is just an ayaka constellation. weapon wise he has access to widsith which is hard to beat far as 4 star weapons go.
As far as Mika and Eula are concerned, I have to strongly disagree. The problem is that you judge the powerlevel, function and usefulness of a character primarily by speedruns. I know that from many past videos and I can see it in this one. Yes in theory, Bennett is better for speedruns at C5 than Mika. However, very few players are speedrunners and a team consisting of Eula, Raiden, Furina and Mika is much more comfortable and easier to play as the mentioned team in the clips. This is mainly because there is more overall team DMG and Mika is a much better cryo battery than Bennett. In addition, the days of not activating Bennett's C6 are long gone. Far too many characters benefit from Bennett's C6 while there are enough alternatives for the few characters that used to be slowed down by Bennett's C6. I think a TC/CC should at least mention these facts before labeling a character as trash just because he needs a bit longer to clear the abyss.
@@jamiekb9v Rosaria beeing a Battery is true but I don't know about the "inconsistency". Rosaria + Bennett is extremly circle impact. For a Character like Eula who permanently moves while attacking, this is a huge downside. Yes, as I said, for a player who has lot's of practice and/or is okay with resetting several times to get the fastest clear this might be not that big of a deal but I can guarantee, as a player who plays Eula since her Release in so many different teams, the Furina, Mika and Raiden team is the most comfy and is able to clear the content without resetting dozens of times. And as I mentioned, stay with Bennett at C5 in 2024 is also a huge downside for many accounts and probably a turn down for most players.
@@viewsloo581 that's true. i think the problem with jamie's statements is that they are super “elite”? focused. for the minority with super high farming and practice investment his statements are pretty reliable. however, your points are very much in line with my own criticism about that. the majority of people doesn't play like that and your argument with the circle impact and benny c6 is one of the best he doesn't even address.
@@jamiekb9v maining eula for years and benny + rosa is probably the most inconsistent team ever especially when oppponents movin around. Very strong tho but also very inconsistent. ofc you could just retry until you get a nice run but depending on enemie lineup it's pain and not fun most of the time.
I mained Eula for close to 2 years upon her initial release back in 1.5/6 and 36 star cleared every abyss from 2.1 all the way to 3.5 on mobile. It is possible. That said I have to acknowledge that it would have been a lot easier if I had just used national.
Yeah I was running Eula/Raiden & Hyperbloom right up until Navia and getting 30-36 stars and Id probably pick her back up if I could get constellations
Eula is basically xiao but without faruzan bennett xianyun and furina. Xiao with sucrose as his battery is basically diona as eula's battery were both do nothing aside from batterying their carries but most supprts since then buffed xiao a lot so eula has been left in the dust. I think a way to buff eula is have a burst damage support that is physical centric. And the future dps physical characters should just be desinged around their burst.
Cryo has stayed the same the past 2 years and that’s kind of the problem since all the other elements either changed massively (hydro) or small (geo with navia + xilonen and maybe chiori) cryo hasn’t received any new game breaking dps units or buffers for cryo and it kinda shifts it to being the worst element, the teams are still strong but there are just better options but AYE META IS JUST WHAT BLINDS YOU FROM FREEDOM OF CHOICE PLAY WHOEVER U WANT
I wouldn't say they're underrated, they're pretty accurately rated - the damage you can achieve with them simply isn't worth all the frustration. Cryo on-fielders are desperate for supports and sets that can finally provide a DPS incentive to put up with them, and an overdue freeze rework.
@@vladdyru it depends on how the you play the game. If you are willing to practice and optimise them then I think they are stronger than you think. Some characters are easier than others it is what it is
They need their kits fixed, extra damage wouldn't do much to fix their issues. Ayaka needs her pushback on ult removed, and eula needs... well idk how to fix eula, her kit is terrible in general on top of being physical.
@@jamiekb9v I guess it depends on the metric. If you value speedruns and are fine with resetting, some of them are still strong. But if you simply want the most DPS for the cost - they kind of aren't. Ayaka's OG premium team sheets at 70k despite being 5-cost - for that price, you can get something like a C1R1 Neuvillette with a C1 Furina, or a C2R1 Mualani with Xilonen, which would not only be infinitely stronger, but also way less skill-dependant. My hot take is that they should just powercreep Shenhe to oblivion with a Faruzan-level support and be done with it if they aren't willing to implement the long-overdue freeze update - people should at least finally get an incentive to play those units, because high skill & cost - low reward simply doesn't cut it for most.
@@musicaddict9058 pushback on Ayaka ult doesn't do anything, all the enemies where this should be a problem are freezable, so these are the scenarios where she shines the most
@@lucasayabe Removing pushback would remove her dependency on a hydro unit, and make her teams more flexible. Her mono cryo teams have the highest damage in theory, but they are barely playable when you have a lot of movable enemies.
I super agree that stuff like Chongyun makes me side eye a lot of takes. For a "worst character in the game" he still clears a shit ton of stuff and his playstyle of massive burst is what people salivate over. But he's not a unique case in people just underating the non-popular characters (like Eula, or even Wrio).
17:46 I think with the newer more aggressive enemies (even outside Abyss), Diona is not “okay for casual players”. Fontaine and Natlan’s overworld elite enemies can pop Diona’s shield in 1-2 hits, and her heal needs more skill that most casuals to use. Specifically Diona’s heal relies on burst so it isn’t available all the time, and it requires you to put the injured character in a circle. A “casual” player usually doesn’t have the skill to find a safe location or timing in enemy patterns to heal up. They’d be better off with a shield or a heal that works when the injured character is off field.
It's been nearly 4 years since Eula released and she has always been catching constant strays from members of the community who overvalue their own opinions and takes. The worst offenders were always parts of the KQM community who are pretty much a walmart version of eastern TCers. Eula has everything going against her sadly from sets, weapons to teammates. All respect to you, Jamie. You're amazing because you do not confidently state insane wrong takes like Zajef or Juice do in these clips, instead you actually took the time to explain the situation of these units. (actually made me wanna revisit Chongyun too) I was a Eula main for a long time but I've given up on Eula ever receiving proper care from Hoyo, her options are just completely messed up. Firstly: Her signature, the PF set, and constellations do not help her biggest issues which are energy and crit rate. It's very hard to build a consistent Eula because you really want to crit but your burst also sucks to charge because hoyo screwed up the funneling. Even after a lot of time and resin wasted in her domain I still lack both the energy and crit rate, and the crafting option in natlan also screwed me over, so i can't do much. While modern carries get sets that give them 36% or 40% crit rate, crit weapons and ascensions Eula only has Phys% stats on most of her stuff, the only crit she has is a cdmg ascension. It's also scummy that these new sets place arbitrary limitations on proccing the 4p effect but they take no consideration to activate and are always active, whereas the PF set takes longer to activate the 4p of for far less benefit. (25% extra phys and some attack% versus 40% crit rate from obsidian lol) Secondly: Even if you get a good build with reliable crit and ER, all her teammates are bad. Mika is terrible because you do not want attack speed; he is a bad battery and his buffs are lackluster even at c6, Bennett is terrible because he locks you into a circle and you can't unlock c6; he is also Pyro which is unhelpful. Furina needs a healer to work but partywide healers are not really good in Eula teams because none of them provide physical related buffs and she is neither cryo nor electro (duh), and we don't have a good 5* cryo battery or off field physical dps so all the strain falls on Eula to do damage in the team. It feels as if she needs 6 teammates because we do not have the role for phys that EVERY OTHER carry has in the game: someone who can do at least 2 roles in one well enough. (heal+buff, off-field+buff, battery+buff, battery+off-field or any combination like this that is an actual good unit) The closest good teammate is Raiden, I honestly like how she works but the electro app and burst damage bonus are not enough and the Tenacity set buff is very small compared to the Natlan set that gives 40% elemental damage lmao. I'm not a game dev but imho what Eula needed for a long time was a dedicated cryo-phys off fielder that can complement and buff her, then a Mika who doesn't suck (maybe his c6 should give CRate instead to make eula easier to build), and an electro that is consistent and does something for superconduct maybe or gives a higher buff than raiden. The worst offender is still her signature and set imho, they do not make it easier to build her at all and I hate that. C2 and C4 also do nothing pretty much. (not that i'm advocating for cons because i'm only a welkin guy, i did not pull for eula cons)
Honestly I haven't used them in a long time aside ayaka for travel in the open world. In abyss I used to use ganyu all the time but now I barley ever use them for geo or national team. Same with the theater troupe where I combo pyro hydro electro dendro more often
The ONLY Cryo DPS I even play anymore is Aloy. I dunno, the other Cryo DPS' (except Rizzley except he plays like Aloy) just aren't interesting to me anymore. Mika is more of a Fun healer with the Atk Speed. Makes Frenchloy so much more fun as a direct result of Him.
Cryo kinda fell when hoyo realized freeze is too broken. I remember back then that whenever abyss content is freezable, ayaka would rip it to pieces. Then they added bosses on both sides and enemies that are either unfreezable, has low freeze time duration or has sky high cryo res.
Sincere question: is Juice a TC? Or just the yapping type of content creator? Besides the asinine takes of Zajeff, I still prefer his takes, or the more neutral from Jamie, than from a yapping youtuber.
She's a yapper :D I've only watched her since 5.0 but only because cryo is in hiding and she says her favorite element is cryo so she's not instantly hating on every cryo characters like some. But she's not very memorable to me so it sounds like you probably wouldn't like
@@lulufortytwo3884 She only like Arlechinno, Lyney and Neuvillette. For her, the rest is just shit. She is also the biggest Ayaka haters I have seen and it was the case before Fontaine. Everyone was considering Ayaka a top tiers dps, she was saying she is mid at best.
I really like Chongyun's burst design and wish there were more characters like this. you swap in press button and see huge numbers. not every character needs to have a 14 second pyronado for off field app. Also the reason why I puled Zhongli constellations, I swap in and a big meteor hits for now absurd damage with Xilonen C2. wrio c0 stinks, ayaka clears. no way hes just as good as kinich one day mika will be good. one day kaeya goat faruzan c6 is fucking god, do no regret whaling getting her c6 on initial run. off fielf burst res shred that provides energy and her buff lasts longer than bennetts and has 0 restrictions, what else could you ever ask for.
I remember people saying that Citlali would be a premium physical support which sounds good but now people said she's just a better Layla so idk anymore
@@minhduc21i'm from the future so I can confirm she is a better layla. Now hoyo better make her cryo app no icd so forward melt yoimiya and diluc is viable
honestly, I think you're right. this is a much more balanced take imo, especially since both zajeff and juice probably don't play any of cryo carries all that much. I also appreciate how you give some love to the unpopular characters -- like chongyun especially. I didn't know he could do 100k per burst spirit blade. he was my first main but I want to build him properly now (I'm on c4). also going to unbench ayaka. also I appreciate how courteous you always are even when disagreeing.
One thing i love about eula that isnt usually brought up is her damage profile in 2 wave/multi wave content. Killing a wave then immediate burst killing 2nd wave is always satisfying
I feel like with all the gymnastics needed to place characters when Zajef and Juice had disagreeing opinons, it would've been easier to just make a tier list and focus on discussing where you disagree with them.
Wrio is helped a lot by the fact he can be played with Xiangling and Bennet. It's both a blessing but also a curse, because his non melt team are ungoldy ass. And someone like Bennet is fought over by way too many dps to give him to a mid dps. Wrio has by far the worst damage of the fontaine dps at c0. But this may change soon if we can get an alternative to Bennet. Still I don't think any cryo dps is underrated, they just aren't very good compared to the other dps. Be it quality of life or just damage, and the qol aspect just can't be changed even with better supports. No the future of cryo, is just to make Capitano or any other future cryo dps busted on the lvl of the best dps.
his bias towards hating ganyu is insufferable. Her dmg is still more than relevant if you try hard enough and she has multiple teams and also slots in as a cryo sub dps or a elegy buffer perfectly. You have to question the credibility of his logical fallacies when he has neither ayaka, ganyu or eula. Putting ganyu below kaeya and diona is just ignorance at its best.
People talking about Chongyun for DPS potential when his forte is to provide Cryo Infusion to the whole team. his burst is great yeah, but the main value is to use the infusions to do all those thermo-electrical reactions all at once with a proper national team full of melees.
I was literally using my Eula yesterday. I miss when she was smacking enemies with 25k NAs in Inazuma 😔 Now everything has stupid physical resistance in overworld. I got Raiden last year but I've been using her in overload with Chevy. I guess I'll try to see what to do with artifacts so I can try Eula. I did keep my Bennet c5 for her, after all :D My thing about Wriothesley vs Ayaka is that Wriothesley at his "base" wants a lot more investment of primogems. Not only the c1 constellation but his sig weapon has a big difference in damage even compared to other 5 star weapons. Ayaka can still have a solid bump from using many other 5 star swords. Not to mention that the comparison they made of Ayaka freeze vs Wriothesley melt. If you're comparing a vape character vs a melt one, at least both of them have a multiplier reaction. I have Wriothesley 3 crowned, so I'm not a hater, but I definitely wouldn't recommend him to most people because he's a huge investment. I'm still torn on whether I should go for his c1 or give up and consider him a trophy character.
In my opinion physical needs a debuffer kinda like xilonen but only a cryo character that can lower physical resistances and heal not a buffer but for a separate character if its a buffer that buffer needs to be an enabler (Sub DPS If Possible) of the reaction so either a cryo centric battery like fischl or a fischl with buffing capabilities for physical as another electro sub DPS Freeze needs an overhaul on how it affects everything in the game to be more effective and popular again otherwise it will continue to stay one of the worst reactions in the game due to how limited it can be for all content overall What I hope for in the future is for double electro *(Sub DPS)* comps for physical carries to become a thing like how double hydro is for pyro units but maybe in snezhnaya... Another thought that crossed my mind is a sub DPS that does purely physical DMG would be cool tho
We've only really seen non attack physical damage from clam and weapons, I expect if we get a physical support it won't be an off field damage dealer, it'll be a quiller
Hot take feel free to share your opinion. In my opinion the most and honestly only meta cryo character right now is Kaeya. Okay hear me out am not talking about some hyperfridge/freeze melt with rosaria etc Specifically am talking forward melt with arlecchino and only at c6. In team of arlecchino c6kaeya kazucha bennet. In this team you have all standard arlecchino supports but you swap out hydro option like furina yelan xingqiu (which are concidered her best teams) for Kaeya. Why Kaeya and why only at c6? That’s because arlecchino has standard icd and vapes/melts every 3th hit and c6kaeya is the only character in the game who can enable concistant cryo application, so the vape hits simply became melts instead.Melt has higher multiplayers of 2.0 instead of vape 1.5. And if you want to argue kaeya can’t possibly be good of field dps think about what makes xingling great, it’s her no icd so she can do her job with reactions and she snapshots. Guess what? In this team Kaeya is also adding support by enabling reactions and also snapshots. bennet and kazucha is there to buff arlecchino but kaeya as well. And his personal dmg is better then most would imagine on emblem set and with c6 which also buffs his dmg from c0 up to 88 % ,also kaeya burst is aoe not like xingqiu or yelan and his c2 can extend his uptime (depending on number of enemies it can be base duration or up to infinite uptime), while as well following your active character. And that’s not all! Arlecchino is very front loaded with her bond of life mechanic meaning the more dmg you deal at the start of rotation the better. Melt takes advantage of that alowing her to do more dmg quickly and alowes her to end rotation early giving her more bond of life for second rotation. Now obviously there are some disadvantages like in every team for example if you use kazucha burst you want to infuse cryo which is not hard but can be inconsistent due to for example getting hit with elemental dmg on kazucha or difficulty to swirl pyro on second wave after dealing with first without messing up cryo application, but other then that I believe what’s the most important factor of no one playing this team is just simply the % of people having c6kaeya or trying to get it in starglitter shop, maybe also the fact that hes a starter character. So in short he can support one of if not the best team in the game but nobody talks about it/knows about it. If anybody is interested I have perfect rotation for that team that I can share.
As a Freminet player I really can't see what Eula has overall over him, plus he makes use of Mika C6 extremely well with Furina and Fischl as his teammates. Kinda sad he gets glazed over here as usual.
well higher dmg for starters, resh shred so better against ruin enemies and freminets reliance on shatter makes his dmg plummit aginst bosses and abyss is full of them
No one is under estimating Eula. She feels the worst to play of all the available limited DPS claymore users. I got her on her only rerun still to this day no full clear with her. Shes just awful even compared to Diluc. Ganyu, Ayaka and Shenhe are definitely underrated now. Xilonen helped them out. Mono cryo is never talked about now. Other than the Fontaine era i clear most abysses with that team.
Zajeff is pretty annoying with his nonsensical Eula takes. It’s fine to not like a unit but holy shit it’s frustrating to see someone supposedly intelligent parroting nonsense and borderline lies.
I mean Zajef aside but tbh even Eula's teams,dmg aside as we k they can be fine to good u k What I actually wanna say is...EULA does have issues tho, a bunch u could say but mainly this one thing which is imo the most impactful that is first of all being backloaded, then ofc her ult being a possible miss/ pre determined so u can really control it ,it will deliver at X moment regardless of whether or not u d like the DMG being done at that moment. It's just opposite of frondloaded which is as opposed to backloaded, perfect for both speedrun but also just delivering at ur needy time, chare like that like Arle,Int and ofc Navia. I especially think Navia and EULA r polar opposite and both have similar concept of being a nuke dps with high scalings but one is significantly stronger but forget the strong part , she's better mainly cause of the issues of EULA not being Navia's
Making another comment, I think you kinda heavily underestimate how much effort goes into making a Eula team good. The Eula team you showed by the billibili guy, is not the reality of 90% of players. It was a high skilled high invstment clear sure but that is how it is. I agree there is a lot of misinformation when characters are hard to play and therefore misunderstood (Xiao and Lyney main here fighting the fight for years) but in the case of Eula it is just not worth it man. The "meta" speedrun teams rely on one singular crit to function, and it is just not feasible both from an emotional frustration point and the actual investment you need to execute this. People will always prefer ease of access. I don't disagree that Eula on paper has decent damage but you actually need to get to the investment threshold there, which most people don't, you know? And zajef sees it similarily too. I am also sure he knows Mika is "bad" for her. People saying Ayaka has bad damage though is weird, but from a pure all f2p items and teammates perspective, maybe lacking kazuha too, she def feels a lot worse in good setups than she did back then or even pre fontaine. Ayaka perception is cursed by "the higher you are the lower you can fall". She was extremely meta and so easy to use, that flipped completely so she is considered bad now because why do I gotta try hard.
its because right now there is a huge team diff and you need to brindge that and the only way is good investment, this would not be neccesary if she had a premium team lik epretty much every character has but henstly she is still missing 3 good teamates
@alexownn382 Well that's false, Kaeya has faster cryo application at c6 or even at c0 so he's good in Forward melt like Arlecchino. No one ever uses Rosaria in a Arlecchino team
@@Daverf1f first time hearing that Kaeya is used in Arlecchino’s team. I’ve only seen Charlotte for whale speedruns and Yelan in reverse vape. Also I have doubts about his faster cryo, fast enough to enable forward melt. In my experience, Rosaria has really good cryo app and I’ve seen her more in forward melt teams. Albeit not Arlecchino teams. Edit: it seems that Kaeya cannot support Arlecchino forward melt by himself and still needs a second cryo applier. Additionally he needs his c6 to have a better cryo application. So argument about enabling Arlecchino forward melt is irrelevant. Also, it’s false. Rosaria is used in forward melt Arlecchino teams. Just as Kaeya, she’s used with a second cryo or anemo cryo infusion. I would argue that Rosaria is better, because higher damage and bigger utility. Thought you can run Kaeya alongside her, so that’s a plus 🤷♀️
I have been using Ayaka for a long time, I use her in my overworld/exploration team(Ayaka, Kazooha, Sayu, Yelan) and she's still really good. I have mistsplitter, so that likely helps. Why are people saying Freeze is done? It works on like, what? 75-90% of enemies? I don't get it. Freeze is still so broken.
Because of abyss lineups. A ton of enemies are freezable, but they keep putting enemies that can't be frozen. The current abyss is amazing for her, but in Fontaine there was a long spell with hyper mobile freeze resistant enemies, cryo shields, enemies with very high resistance to cryo, boss spam, or just unfreezable lineups. Not that I think that makes her awful. Just that it took a lot more skill and effort for me to clear those lineups with her than other characters.
Because most enemies on abyss either are inmune to freeze (like bosses) or have freeze resistance (like congregated beasts and other elites). Also, freeze as a reaction doesnt really benefit your damage to a similar level like dendro, pyro or electro reactions do, making her need higher investment than other dps's to compensate for the loss of damage from reactions. With abyss increasing the hp of enemies each cycle, its becoming hard for Ayaka to keep up, but thats something almost every dps suffers from. This is just my opinion
@@arigatiu you're not wrong overall, but as a complementary note, Ayaka doesn't really suffer at all facing the consecrated beasts if you have a good hydro. With Mona they can be quite tough to deal with, but with Furina or Kokomi they remain frozen for nearly the entire time. I remember back in the sumeru abyss where we had like three waves of double consecrated beasts I ran Ayaka freeze and she just destroyed them very consistently and easily. I'd say a better example of a freeze resistant enemy that's bad for her are the Fontaine fatui agents that zip around and jump a ton. Ayaka ends up needing super tight rotations or sacrificial sword Kazuha to cheese those enemies in order to clear in good time.
What's Eula's recommended best team without Bennett? (unfortunately C6'd). Is it a large DPS loss with C6? It still feels like it's a lot more comfy tanking wise due to Bennett's healing, even Layla's shield or Diona healing can feel a little less comfy sometimes (compared to when my Bennett wasn't c6)
I can see why you can think that Ayaka is underrated, even tho i would disagree, but come on bro, eula is barely functional unless you wanna play the reset simulator, on top of having some of the worst dps in the game.
@@jamiekb9vThat's definitely skill issue on your part, on top of eula mains crit fishing until the end of time But i'm talking in terms of general purpose carry. There are probably 20 carriers i would use before i decide to play that backloaded mess.
@@musicaddict9058 she’s bad but she’s def underrated when people are calling her“barely functional” while she has to run scuffed ass supports like Mika and fav ToM Raiden and can still clear fine. Also there’s so much misinfo about Eula (which is expected i guess considering how unpopular she is), like crit fishing is a parroted meme that generally gets looked down upon my Eula mains.
@@FirstLast-qq9zh I was talking about crit fishing because jamie used the speedrunning argument, and there is no way eula is clearing faster than his meta carries unless they are crit fishing eula's burst with 10:400 ratio She is barely functional because backloaded damage is the worst thing you wanna have on your carry, on top of her dps being amongst some of the worst in the game, ON TOP of like half the common enemies in abyss having high phys resistances.
@@musicaddict9058 Like I said she is bad for sure but that doesn’t mean she cant also be underrated. Being backloaded has always been a bit of an over exaggerated issue, it can be annoying against certain enemies but against others it can be somewhat of a positive. The current 2nd half for example has geo shields that Eula can stack on with her ult and have the sword fall when the shields are down. Or you can have her stack against a weak first wave and then pop against the next wave like in current 12-2-1. But against most enemies it’s pretty irrelevant and more of a problem in theory than in practice. And yes again, i’m not disagreeing on the dps or the phys res but despite that and having shit teammates, she can still clear. Calling her barely functional i think qualifies her as underrated but we’ll have to agree to disagree. (Also the dude in the Bilibili vid ran a ~50% cr Eula, which is pretty low but they also run Rosaria and play for cryo res so it’s closer to 75%)
I find it a little surprising that you’re glazing Eula but downplaying Kinich. He does so, so much more damage in my experience. But I’m a C0R0 non-speed runner (can still get platinums in combat events, but that’s pretty much my limit) with most damage dealing characters at ~200CV so we have very different accounts
Kinich’s damage for a carry that is played onfield with Bennett is nothing special. On teams where you play him with Emilie and you have deepwood in the team his damage contribution is not that much higher than the zero fieldtime sub dps that doesn’t snapshot. Kinich is definitely a good unit but I’ve some insane takes about him especially when his stats were padded to the moon by the last couple abyss blessings. Same thing happened in Fontaine with discourse around Wrio so I understand Jamie’s pov.
also ive been playing kinich in the abyss for hours recently on stream and he might just be the most rng character to optimise HOLY. he's fun though i like playing him
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac Yeah, I’m not saying he’s busted. He’s ~75k dps char not so unlike Alhaitham or Clorinde, good but mot insane. But even that’s a full 50% more dps than Eula’s teams. It’s hard for investment to overcome that in my experience
@@jamiekb9v Yeah he can be fun, I like him. I’m not trying to come for you or anything either, mostly just commenting on our different levels of investment and how it can change perspectives on certain units
@@NotAName1 Kinich’s team at c0r0 with Emilie Bennett and XL is indeed calced around 75k. However removing Emilie from that team for someone like Deyha or Kirara makes team damage plummet to around 55k. (As per TGS) All of a sudden Kinich’s team is doing Eula’s teams levels of damage. And this is team that still has free damage from XL snappshotting Bennett. Even with that you’re straying dangerously close to that 50k mark. That 50% damage gap you were talking about comes not from Kinich’s superior strength but from Emilie’s damage. Lose that and he’s operating at Eula level despite being four years newer having a more streamlined kit, having access to a stronger artefact set, better weapons and better team buffs. This what I mean when I say that people don’t really understand what they’re saying when they evaluate Kinich. And it also shows what Eula numbers could become by swapping out literally any of her three supports for a synergistic offield phys dps.
assuming u fully stay on eula without switching and mika actually procs fav and batteries eula with his scuffed skill having a massive cooldown and he doesnt have much cryo app. rosaria does the job cleaner and the team is more versatile
Eula has several problems even if we put her perfect party problems aside, enemies spawning too far, enemies teleporting or dashing away or flying/burrowing, loads of physical resistance from enemies. She suffers from this more than every other characters just because how her burst works. Her problems with energy, set, buffer, off field damage might get fixed by some character in future but the enemy problems will stay and keep her away from ever being a great hypercarry at c0
Jamie would you be willing to make a guide to speedrunning on Ayaka? I have a C2R1 that I've had benched for a long time and I'd love an excuse to pull her out again.
Shenhe is overated cos she only has Aya team and her kit is very limited without const. mid invest Eula is bad cos its worse than basic HB. Wryo is my fav char but he is mid and I am suprised he is ranked so high. probably many ppl have const and sig Faruzan ruined Wanderer imo. They made her OP so Xiao can be viable but they nerf Wanderer to compensate.
every element and reactions are already strong and OP but of course hoyo always released specialized support for those reaction and elements to make them more more stronger. Eula/physical already weak since begining and she has low % dmg multiplier compared to recent non reaction hypercarry but hoyo almost never released physical specialized support (only mika released but we know he sucks not even close to level of faruzan for Anemo, and his buff uptime is not really comfortable for eula burst rotation and he dont fix eula huge problems that is energy and cryo app for cryo crit resonance thats why i prefer run rosaria). so we can say that hoyo intentionaly ignore physical and eula. if hoyo care they should release 3 characters tailored for eula/physical. irony today we can see eula long burst collecting stack rotation dmg is equal to 1 Mualani NA Vape 😢
That's what I am trying to say, there's alot of anti Ayaka out there and they have allied themselves with Wrio simps to dethrone Ayaka using catch words like Freeze is bad therefore Ayaka is bad. Imo these players are very bad and what's worse they parrot these zombie takes.
Wryo teams are very easy - everyone have Furina, XL, Beny. Everyone farmed the MaruHunter. Throw him a Widsith and his team slaps. Aya needs Koko, Shenhe, Mistpliter and heavy artifact grind to Shine.
@@ChiyoTachi I have C2R1 ayaka, and mained her for 2 years. She is simply not up to standard these days. Her inconsistency would be fine if she had better damage than other carries to compensate, but she is both inconsistent, and not particularly high on the damage output scale.
Ayaka simps are worse, sunk cost fallacy in a nutshell. Not saying she is bad, but the only way she's competes with newer DPS teams is with dolphin level investment.
People are dumb, big surprise! Over half on the community probably relies on guides and can't think for themselves, this is how we end up with these "opinions".
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This can show even if characters are not considered strong by the community, it's possible if you are dedicated to the character & practice you can get unbelievable performance. Pull who you like and learn them!
Also be nice to the other creators, we just did this on stream for fun. Its ok to have different opinions since we all play differently
Hello jamie. i notice you never upload about nilou team anymore for like a year, can you explore more about nilou in the current meta?
@@internetcommenters5101 i made a nilou video when emilie came out, did you watch that? but yes I definitely plan on making future nilou videos
@@jamiekb9v oh, i haven't. Surely will watch it.
@@jamiekb9vlong gone are the days of the Nilou speedrun every abyss
There maybe two or three genshin CC I am still subscribed, you are one of them, because you talk the talk and walk the walk, pre-release takes is another story.
You absolutely right about it depending about try-hard vs casual, I personally think "how well this character clicks with me" and nobody takes this in account, despite everyone having their opinion based on their experience with that character, which is exactly means how well they work for you.
Eula clicks with me so well, I can clear abyss easily ignoring most mechanics by face tanking, she feels braindead easy, and she still doesn't have perfect support yet like Neuvi and Arle, so she still have room to grow.
And the fact you know their potential outside of spreadsheet, and account for nuances, You are winner, and still my top CC I like to watch. Thank you
Us Eula fans just want a tiny fraction of what Xiao fans have been getting
It's coming, just in Sneznaya
I just wanted mika was to Eula what faruzan is to xiao 😢
My 10/10/10 Eula benched because I believed that crowning would make me clear. It doesn't.
@@planetary-rendez-vous clearing is actually possible, but it's definitely not the most comfortable or effective one
The devs don’t like her man it’s time to give up the fantasy, they’ve shown how spiteful they are throughout the years
I'm still baffled at why Hoyo thought Mika, the dedicated Physical buffer, should buff Attack Speed...when every character meant to be a Physical DPS is a *Claymore* (Eula, Xinyan, Razor - Xinyan also does CAs which Mika doesnt work on, and Razor already has 40% ATK speed from his Burst. And then the next Phys DPS they made, Freminent was another Claymore) and gets little to nothing at all from Attack Speed.
Dedicated ATK Speed buffer and dedicated Phys buffer should have been two separate characters.
Mika could go crazy if Hoyo ever releases a Physical DPS with low or no hitlag though, such as a Bow Normal Attack DPS, or maybe Sword or Polearm.
Ayato style gameplay but Physical 🙏🙏🙏🙏 (hoping)
Because Eula builds her stack from the number of attacks she can do. The faster she can swing, the higher the stack can be. Song of Broken Pine buffs attack speed too.
@@lazyremnant380yeah except hitlag makes it so its only one more stack at most, its counter intuitive in that sense
The problem is his kit is good, but very much like Dehya feels like they shaved a bit of their kit here and there just for them to not be functional, like someone sawing legs off a table.
Mika could've better uptime on the buffs, apply cryo off field, give crit rate, reduce phys resistance and restore energy for the on fielder. And if they followed Faruzan design, on the C6 add an AoE effect like the abyss has which deals aoe phys dmg around for the on fielder when they deal physical dmg and boom, Eula is reworked. She would run with Furina, Mika and an Electro char
Also, attack speed isn't even a bad stat for Eula, hitlag of claymore, unlike most community think, reduces atk speed effects by at most 15% depending on the char. The problem still is that Eula has a piece of rotting garbage shit kit design which cucks her way too hard.
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I completely agree that unpopular characters tend to get a ton of misinformation thrown around.
From Klee being described as having no good team, wanting to vape but not having enough offfield hydro, or being very weak and bad, to Ayaka being described as having very bad damage (???) once a character's usage rate goes down, it's only a matter of time before misconceptions form and people who have never played the characters end up criticising them for things that are often false or exaggerated.
Regarding Ayaka, she is a funny character. When lineups aren't awful to her, she feels super comfortable to play. Probably one of the easiest teams I have. But when the lineup is bad for her, as happened several times in Fontaine, her team becomes more sweaty tryhard and requires more skill and effort to clear.
As a sweaty tryhard who occasionally likes playing strong easy teams that works out perfectly for me, but I can understand some people being frustrated at the variance, or not wanting to bother with her because they prefer a team that's always easy to clear with.
@@lily-_- yep I agree, ayaka teams can be tryhard or easy depending on the scenario
From a mathematical perspective if a character is unpopular there is less people that is knowledgeable about the character and more chance that less knowledgeable people spread more misinformation, and less opportunities to read about correct information... Damn.
@planetary-rendez-vous the easy solution would be for people to not speak about things they don't know about, or doing research for themselves instead of trusting some random RUclips or Reddit comment.
but that's too much work for some people lol
Yeah, the bit about "most enemies nowadays is resistant to Physical" is false too. There's an entry in Genshin Wiki about enemy resistance, and it shows that the only enemies that are truly resistant to Physical are Ruin machines. Human-type enemies like the Fatui and Eremites are actually WEAKER to Physical.
ayaka sheets like 50k and is even worse in multi wave
I wish they'd remove the knockback from Ayaka's burst, and ideally give it a minor vacuum effect instead.
another thing that I think makes people underestimate Eula is the fact that she can't pick up particles during her burst animation, they'll like play mika or rosaria or whatever with fav and try and catch the particles with eula mid animation, only to learn that she is missing 40 energy in when they start their next rotation. it's very clunky and doesn't *feel* good to play, so it makes the character seem worse off. and it's not their fault too, hoyo should fix this but apparently it's a feature according to them
yea only a few characters have that 'feature' like bennett and kaeya have it too but eula gets punished for it the hardest as an 80 burst cost hypercarry
@@leonthomas2020 also long ass burst animation + Bennett is a battery and Kaeya can still get his particles from E>Q if you time it right
she was good back then because she used "unwanted" sub-dpses like fischl/rosaria but dendro came and fischl became too important
cryo traveller mogs all of them 🥶🥶🥶
The amount of ignorance regarding the damage that Ayaka and Ganyu can actually do is surprising.
Jamie fighting an uphill battle with these Eula takes, but I respect it. I’m coping heavy that she eventually gets some of the Xiao treatment cause Mika and Raiden are not it.
Why the Raiden stray?
@@purechi_You still need a cryo battery on eula team despite raiden, you cannot fit in raiden supports so she does pathetic damage, and no damage buff for eula. I've never understood why raiden was considered that good for eula anyways.
You're right, Fischl is way better than Raiden
@@H2Ocup Well Eula has incredible downtime and ER issues, where Raiden solves that puzzle. I don’t really see another solution
@@H2OcupRaiden's lvl 9 skill gives Eula 24% burst dmg bonus and you can use Raiden's burst while your Eula is on cooldown to get her energys back.
Ayaka's problem was never about damage. Kinda weird seeing takes all the time about her damage specifically. Well, I know it's just people with goldfish memories and new toy bias. Eula too, but she was always an unpopular unit for whatever reason.
This is exactly what I'm saying too. It's like people have just forgotten about how Ayaka was dominating everything when freeze was good. She does good damage, the game is just perma shafting her.
I mean in the past her damage was top tier but powercreep has pushed her down quite a lot
@@jijidu69 no said she's top tier.
@@Glast04 her damage is not top tier now but still high tier her burst alone are able to produce clears on par with Hutao, Raiden c2 etc. Why would she suddenly becomes a low tier is beyond me. There's alot of pretender around trying to say that they got c2 yadayada and losing dps to new carries, but imo in reality they are just parrots or just actually suck at playing her. I am confident with Jamie's skill he can demonstrate how Ayaka is underrated.
@@ChiyoTachi Well, you said it yourself. Ayaka being on pair with raiden and hutao in the past was amazing, being on pair with them now just means she is another old unit that got powercreept. I love Ayaka and i will love that they give freeze teams a buff/change, but compared with characters like Neuv, Arle... the amount of damage that you expect from a dps + the comfort you sacrifice tom get that damage got way higher than what Ayaka offers you atm.
Doesnt mean that she as a character is bad but she got powercreept (same as hutao and raiden) and it was bound to happen. She will remain a comfort pic for those who already have her but another character that you play on specific situations or just when you feel like it.
I 1000000% agree with cons toggle being a thing. I've been putting it every survey. Please give us Cons toggle!
I can't say I'm speaking for a general populace but I can at least explain what I don't like about Ayaka, mine is c0 with a 4 star sword, I don't have shenhe so my most commonly used team for her is rosaria kokomi kazuha. My main problem with her is she just feels inconsistent and doesn't have a lot of good match ups like content with multiwave enemies that spawn far away from each other were very common in 4.X and 3.X updates.
She also feels extremely bad when she comes just short of one rotating an enemy based on my investment level which usually results in me having to decide between setting up a second rotation to burst with and massively overkill an enemy leaving me with not enough ER for the next chamber/wave or having to use my normal attacks to slowly whittle away at the enemy.
I know if you're speedrunning/minmaxxing your investment you're not gonna necessarily have the same problems as me but if I'm setting up a tier list for which units are better for general use I'd imagine a skill based dps with a consistent output and more generally favorable match ups like Rizzley would wind up on a higher spot than Ayaka or Eula for me (Although not sure how I'd compare him to ganyu)
I am a bit more invested (Mistsplitter) and i think you are correct. I did clear this Abyss with Ayaka first side because this was the first Abyss in a long time in which she didn't felt meh or bad.
But the Beasts were still an issue with the reduced Freeeze time as sometimes they just yeeted themself out with an attack they do. Yes, with some resetting i got it consistently but this wasn't worth the extra time spent.
Add that Zajeff looks at C0 and some of these teams did have some very impactfull cons which is the reason why they clear so fast. And their artifact Investment is often stupidly high + the ER is optimized for those rooms while also booking which is all stuff Zajeff doesn't considerd/has lower standards.
As a tryhard, I see most people say easier=better. So any character with conveniences are just rated better, even if dmg is similar.
Personally, i think Ayaka and Wriothesly are on par with each other. Wrio is just easier to use.
People try to cite his team diversity as a strength over Ayaka, which is true...but does that really matter? That's more of a "pull value" argument, not the strength of a character.
I mean, if you can get equal performance for less work, that DOES make the easier character better. The harder character should be doing more damage to make up for it in order to be considered on par.
idk sometimes my ayaka (c4) does somehow worse than my wrio (c1), even though i play like for ever on ayaka (ganyu feels even worse sadly, i would love to get some cryo bufs, bcs i love cryo characters) but it rlly depends on the abyss, i think they are more or less the same at c0, but how easy wrio is (in general bcs u can do the dash cancel to get most dmg), u have like 1 character that only plays in freeze and the other one can go in almost any team and do the same, maybe thats why people say he is better? In general i would agree he is better (but it rlly does depens on the type of enemies, like the 3 fatui guys in natlan, i killed them with easy on ayaka while with wrio i was so hard sweating, maybe bcs he doesnt have enough cons xd) now i am only waiting for ayakas and wrios rerun to get them some cons, i think ayaka c6 is gonna be hella broken , cant wait for there reruns ^-^ (btw i dont hate ayaka nor wrio, i like them both veeeery much)
@Pheonee You're making the case that easier= better, but that's the premise I disagree with.
I see it as effort vs simple characters, where players like me prefer characters that aren't just button mashing.
@@PheoneeI think the main issue with Wrio vs. Ayaka is match up.
If Ayaka has a good match up she kinda stomps. Ayaka should be stronger than Wrio but her bad match ups are really bad and that's what made her so meh the last Abyss cycles. You can make her work but the question is: Is it worth the time doing that? Or is using a slightly weaker carry with much more consistent match ups not just better? Yes, his match ups are never as good as Ayakas good match ups but he isn't as bad as Ayaka in her bad match ups.
And i do think that's the main reason why i rate Wrio higher (and i think that's the main arugment for Zajeff too if i understood him correctly).
as a cryo lover (cos of shenhe and ayaka :D), i loved watching this and getting your insights on all of it!
im glad u think Eula is good and just needs better teammates! And its good to hear your confirmation on Mika being bad for her. I tried him out with her and just didnt like it, even though a lot of ppl on Eulamains recommended him in their fav team
I mean Mika does everything you want, nice buffs (at C6), team heals for Furina and batteries with cryo particles+fav.
Saying he's bad with Eula is just wrong. He's only specifically bad for C6 Eula that wants to pop the burst with switch out.
i think you might have got unlucky, a quick search on reddit shows many eula mains recently complaining about him 😅r/EulaMains/comments/1gfe29a/do_many_people_actually_consider_mika_as_a_bad/
that is whats so frustrating eula is a good carry with a shit team and she takes all the fault for it, also i appriciate you man you are pretty much the only genshin cc that actually understands physical
I love Eula, but the problems are her energy issues and backloaded damage into one hit, not the team.
The team is actually great for a theoretical physical DPS focused on fast normal attacks.
She can use Bennet and furina and they’re def not dooky , so I wouldn’t blame her team for her issues. Yea the electro slot is never ideal but like 1 mid slot should not ruin a good character’s team (all the top dps’s r still good w 1 not-ideal teammate). She prob straight up just doesn’t have good multipliers anymore when compared to newer characters.
@@danielcarrilho5217 she outputs all her dmage in 10 seconds and you can detonate any time for lower damage tell me if we assume same damage per roataion how would someone like xiao clear faster when he needs 17 seconds to do it? being backloaded is not the issue people think it is.
The real issues is the energy and rotation lenght, which is sure eula fault but also something that can esily be solved with a good team, xiao also has prefunnel issues to a lesser extent the solution is a charcater that generates particles during the carries field time, or better yet a 5* burst support that does what xilonen's c2 does for electro characters very simple math team with 52k dps in a 26 sec rotation is 84.5k dps in 16 sec and it works fo eula because she has 12 second downtime 6 goes for setup 6 is just do nothing right now
and that last point awfully feels like bennet/kazuha/yelan is great for a pyro vape carry but its bad for itto so itto, when i say shit team i mean for the carry, and even then furina loses more than 12k personal dps in a phys team and i would not call that good
@@nazarboghosian there is a difference between a mid support and an active dps sink like raiden, its really easy to demonstarte put raiden in a neuvilette team and do a full burst with raiden and see how much of dps loss she is compared to the best options and even in this position raiden will deal more damage because of either kazuha or xilonen. im not kidding albedo in mono geo from offield outperforms raiden in physical, her buff equals to about 12% dmg bonus and her teamwide energy restore is aband aid solution to a team where every member has anti synergy with everyone else
and its 3 not ideal teamates in fact find me a character that still performs well after you replace everyone on their team by their second best option there are a few like neuvilett but most aren't like that.
Furina staright up loses half her dmage in a phys team she should a be an atk scaling cryo that does phys dmg, massively reducing both her and eul's er requirenments and now she would benefit from the teamwide 60% atk and 65% phys res shred.
Raiden should be a burst support like xilonen c2 electro part 52k dps in 26 sec rotation is 84.5k in 16 sec rotation
And bennet is nice but most characters have better options he really is most valuable to pyro carries because in those cases he also gives pyro resonance and 15% dmg bonus at c6 and he aslo gets better when you have someone to snapshot his burst
@danielcarrilho5217 she outputs all her dmage in 10 seconds and you can detonate any time for lower damage tell me if we assume same damage per roataion how would someone like xiao clear faster when he needs 17 seconds to do it? being backloaded is not the issue people think it is.
The real issues is the energy and rotation lenght, which is sure eula fault but also something that can esily be solved with a good team, xiao also has prefunnel issues to a lesser extent the solution is a charcater that generates particles during the carries field time, or better yet a 5* burst support that does what xilonen's c2 does for electro characters very simple math team with 52k dps in a 26 sec rotation is 84.5k dps in 16 sec and it works fo eula because she has 12 second downtime 6 goes for setup 6 is just do nothing right now
and that last point awfully feels like bennet/kazuha/yelan is great for a pyro vape carry but its bad for itto so itto, when i say shit team i mean for the carry, and even then furina loses more than 12k personal dps in a phys team and i would not call that good
Honestly the biggest problem with Ayaka is how most of her best teams uses a character that doesn't exist anymore... The fact that Shenhe didn't re run before natlan and they plan to put a new cryo unit make me thing that a new better version of her will be put out and she will never re run probably, but that will buff ayaka as well. I feel bad for her since she is still one of my fav designs in game but she is basically tied to Ayaka and I don't enjoy her gameplay.
shenhe rerun soon trust
Ppl still use blizzard strayer even though it only buff 20% crit at this point cus freeze doesnt work
Bad planning on Hoyo’s part - Chevy, Sara, Mika, Faruzan, etc. - niche supports should be four starts, not limited 5 stars. Yes, it’s a crime many of them are locked behind C6, but at least they’re not locked behind the rerun iron gate.
Shenhe is good but u could use Charlotte and Furina instead and she has a quill issue
@@meikkuikamuzu5869 I have a freeze team with Ayaka, Furina, Layla and Charlotte. It’s great.
Well with mavuika releasing soon we can expect a good buff to wrio and ganyu if ever so im excited for that as a cryo lover
Definitely think you are over estimating Chong. The Abyss cycles he saw speedrun usage for were for some of the lowest hp bosses to ever be in abyss. Triple Kenki, Ruin serpent and Wenut have low hp in abyss to account for their mechanics. Especially old Ruin serpent which had an hp penalty putting it at around 800k hp
thats what I say in the video, he has an amazing nuke to burst down but not much sustain after.
Mika was a stab in the heart of us Eula fan.
But yes.
We could get an electro off fielder that does some electro to keep up superconduct, a cryo damage amplifier that work also as a battey, and a way to free us from bennet.
Yeah, Eula needs a third same element character like that buffs after triggering superconduct and does some off field physical dmg. An electro physical off field DPS would help Eula’s overall team DPR quite significantly to competitive levels. She needs those two things. Mika is alright but he’s not enough. I truly believe Citlali will be for Eula what Xianyun was for Xiao.
I would rather play melt Ganyu w/o a shield, than c0 wrio. I regret pulling for him
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Rosaria as my carry today against the electro turtle event boss was refreshing (used to main her). Hope cryo gets more unique support down the pipeline.
I wouldn't really say Kinich has much in common with Wrio especially in terms of speedrunning. Kinich is more like Natlan's Clorinde with currently scuffed teammates but solid numbers (which wrio lacks even at C1R1), like Kinich's mid cost runs are neck to neck with post Xilonen Arlecchino runs at similar cost and there's an actual C0 Kinich run at 60s on youtube.
neck and neck where the times where he was fast was during his abyss with 80% buff
@@karrot6941nope, for this abyss his 5 cost run is 34s.
@@karrot6941the buff alr long gone and he clear 5.1 abyss faster than most character at the same cost
@@Matthew-qt3jkcan i have the link to the run?
The problem of freminet is he (like eula) is also a DPS who requires and rewards great amount of investment, but as far as i know there are -2 dedicated freminet mains out there. Overall he is surprisingly one of the good 4* dps's out there
While everyone is waiting for Eula’s support, I’m waiting at the same time for Freminet’s physical support…
What I love about Wriothesley is that he is a bit easier to build and to put in with different team comps because hunter set is universal, unlike blizzard set that is best used in freeze team so Ayaka lost there and if I remember correctly, if you have c6 Bennet then Ayaka lose her cryo infusion. And as I'm a mobile user, Ganyu is too clunky to play for me.
Too bad my first limited 5* character is Ayaka and she's still stayed at lv1 😢 I don't know if I'd still build her. Anyway I only have 4* weapons and only Itto and Arlecchino have their signature weapon.
ha! I pulled Ganyu because I'm mobile. But that's more for overworld exploration like popping the balloon flowers and not having to worry about super precise than abyss
@lulufortytwo3884 that's nice. I just don't like bow characters usually since they have to charge their bow to attack and for me it's a bit clunky. The only bow character I like with this playstyle is Tighnari since his charged attack is instant with the first 3.
Hunter set is applicable b/c of internal HP manipulation mechanics. At C0, you must monitor his HP, and his CA damage is capped. Ayaka is more complicated to build and play, but in my opinion, she’s still a better damage dealer.
@@CarlosAnglada yes that's what I mean. Hunter set on Wrio can be used in every team comp and he's easier to play for me. And as you said as well, Ayaka is more complicated to play. I like her design, she's so beautiful, but playing as her is a bit hard. Also if you miss her ult, that's too much dps loss.
If we had generic supports that were cryo and electro and were as good as Bennett, Xilonen, Furina, Kazuha, etc., Eula might actually be alright. Huge problem right now is that she wants a lot of specific things in her teams (tons of cryo energy, superconduct, some defensive utility, the usual hypercarry buffs) and there aren't a lot of units that provide those things that are also very good.
And if I said I've been clearing abyss with Eula and MonoGeo ever since her chronicled wish run, with Furina, Mika c0, and an EM Kuki bc I'm too lazy to swap to a tenacity build 😭
I'm scared for the next abysses every time, but I wanna believe she'll still do ok...
Did you use Eula to tackle Ruin machines and PMA too? Because I believe the prevalence of PMA in abyss is a significant factor that brought her down.
@lazyremnant380 yeah! Timing's not pretty, but she manages to clear. I believe for PMA's half I use the MonoGeo team, then just use Eula in the other one (unless one half specifically benefits Geo a lot, and it happens to not be on the PMA's side). To be honest though? Ruin machines don't feel too terrible to fight against. Elemental checks I can't brute-force are more of an issue imo, but that's not something I can complain with those 2 being my favorite teams (°v°") even mobile enemies can get decently grouped up with patience/practice/learning attack patterns.
The toughest abysses for me are the iniquitous baptist ones, but if need be, the dreaded Eula hyperbloom makes an appearance 😅 (usually with Baizhu, Furina and Kuki)
@@Kuz_Quartz Damn, your Eula can bruteforce Ruin machines' massive 70% physical resistance? Well I guess the "ultimate Eula main" showcased in this video did that too... Did you give her Song of Broken Pines?
@lazyremnant380 she's c0, running pale flame and Verdict. I didn't start recording my successful clears until this very abyss, but I'll see if by any chance I find a screenshot from the PMA abyss summary!! Just to confirm the other team + see if she went on that half or the other.
Edited to add: found one! On the August 16th 2024 abyss update, she indeed went against the PMA, with Monogeo on the second half.
@@Kuz_Quartz I have Verdict too, but I loathe putting it on my Eula because it looks so out of place on her hand 😂 I've been building her around the assumption of not using crit weapon (because Broken Pines is not a crit weapon), but I'm just stuck at 72/158.... I'll need a godly roll on a double crit Pale Flame physical goblet for further improvement 🥲
I would love to see an entire video dedicated to Eula misconceptions and how to actually use her. I love her caracter and really wanna pull for her, but everyone keeps saying that she's trash and cannot clear abyss without wale investment 😢
Chongyun with xiangyun for cryo plunge with furina and Rosaria as a support sub dps is so underrated.
no shit you play more viewer accounts with ayaka. shes one of the top 3 simped for characters. while wriothesley is literally the most unowned rarest 5 star in the entire game. outside of speed runs id say ayaka is worse than wrio. I also wouldn't say he's more expensive either lets be honest shenhe is just an ayaka constellation. weapon wise he has access to widsith which is hard to beat far as 4 star weapons go.
As far as Mika and Eula are concerned, I have to strongly disagree.
The problem is that you judge the powerlevel, function and usefulness of a character primarily by speedruns. I know that from many past videos and I can see it in this one.
Yes in theory, Bennett is better for speedruns at C5 than Mika. However, very few players are speedrunners and a team consisting of Eula, Raiden, Furina and Mika is much more comfortable and easier to play as the mentioned team in the clips. This is mainly because there is more overall team DMG and Mika is a much better cryo battery than Bennett.
In addition, the days of not activating Bennett's C6 are long gone. Far too many characters benefit from Bennett's C6 while there are enough alternatives for the few characters that used to be slowed down by Bennett's C6.
I think a TC/CC should at least mention these facts before labeling a character as trash just because he needs a bit longer to clear the abyss.
mika's cryo battery should be compared with rosaria not bennett. he is terribly inconsistent compared to rosaria.
@@jamiekb9v Rosaria beeing a Battery is true but I don't know about the "inconsistency". Rosaria + Bennett is extremly circle impact. For a Character like Eula who permanently moves while attacking, this is a huge downside. Yes, as I said, for a player who has lot's of practice and/or is okay with resetting several times to get the fastest clear this might be not that big of a deal but I can guarantee, as a player who plays Eula since her Release in so many different teams, the Furina, Mika and Raiden team is the most comfy and is able to clear the content without resetting dozens of times. And as I mentioned, stay with Bennett at C5 in 2024 is also a huge downside for many accounts and probably a turn down for most players.
@@viewsloo581 that's true. i think the problem with jamie's statements is that they are super “elite”? focused. for the minority with super high farming and practice investment his statements are pretty reliable. however, your points are very much in line with my own criticism about that. the majority of people doesn't play like that and your argument with the circle impact and benny c6 is one of the best he doesn't even address.
@@jamiekb9v maining eula for years and benny + rosa is probably the most inconsistent team ever especially when oppponents movin around. Very strong tho but also very inconsistent. ofc you could just retry until you get a nice run but depending on enemie lineup it's pain and not fun most of the time.
I mained Eula for close to 2 years upon her initial release back in 1.5/6 and 36 star cleared every abyss from 2.1 all the way to 3.5 on mobile. It is possible. That said I have to acknowledge that it would have been a lot easier if I had just used national.
Yeah I was running
Eula/Raiden & Hyperbloom right up until Navia and getting 30-36 stars and Id probably pick her back up if I could get constellations
Eula is basically xiao but without faruzan bennett xianyun and furina.
Xiao with sucrose as his battery is basically diona as eula's battery were both do nothing aside from batterying their carries but most supprts since then buffed xiao a lot so eula has been left in the dust.
I think a way to buff eula is have a burst damage support that is physical centric. And the future dps physical characters should just be desinged around their burst.
Cryo has stayed the same the past 2 years and that’s kind of the problem since all the other elements either changed massively (hydro) or small (geo with navia + xilonen and maybe chiori) cryo hasn’t received any new game breaking dps units or buffers for cryo and it kinda shifts it to being the worst element, the teams are still strong but there are just better options but AYE META IS JUST WHAT BLINDS YOU FROM FREEDOM OF CHOICE PLAY WHOEVER U WANT
I wouldn't say they're underrated, they're pretty accurately rated - the damage you can achieve with them simply isn't worth all the frustration.
Cryo on-fielders are desperate for supports and sets that can finally provide a DPS incentive to put up with them, and an overdue freeze rework.
@@vladdyru it depends on how the you play the game. If you are willing to practice and optimise them then I think they are stronger than you think. Some characters are easier than others it is what it is
They need their kits fixed, extra damage wouldn't do much to fix their issues.
Ayaka needs her pushback on ult removed, and eula needs... well idk how to fix eula, her kit is terrible in general on top of being physical.
@@jamiekb9v I guess it depends on the metric. If you value speedruns and are fine with resetting, some of them are still strong. But if you simply want the most DPS for the cost - they kind of aren't. Ayaka's OG premium team sheets at 70k despite being 5-cost - for that price, you can get something like a C1R1 Neuvillette with a C1 Furina, or a C2R1 Mualani with Xilonen, which would not only be infinitely stronger, but also way less skill-dependant. My hot take is that they should just powercreep Shenhe to oblivion with a Faruzan-level support and be done with it if they aren't willing to implement the long-overdue freeze update - people should at least finally get an incentive to play those units, because high skill & cost - low reward simply doesn't cut it for most.
@@musicaddict9058 pushback on Ayaka ult doesn't do anything, all the enemies where this should be a problem are freezable, so these are the scenarios where she shines the most
@@lucasayabe Removing pushback would remove her dependency on a hydro unit, and make her teams more flexible.
Her mono cryo teams have the highest damage in theory, but they are barely playable when you have a lot of movable enemies.
I super agree that stuff like Chongyun makes me side eye a lot of takes. For a "worst character in the game" he still clears a shit ton of stuff and his playstyle of massive burst is what people salivate over. But he's not a unique case in people just underating the non-popular characters (like Eula, or even Wrio).
thanks for the comment evolutez! hope you didn't mind the brief wriothesley slander 😅
Unrelated but your voice is nice to listen, it’s easier to take in the information 🙏✨
yea Juice voice gives the ick
@@Norcobikezz i can't watch her at all because of that it's so distracting
Eula is not a cryo unit, she’s a unit who uses cryo
17:46 I think with the newer more aggressive enemies (even outside Abyss), Diona is not “okay for casual players”.
Fontaine and Natlan’s overworld elite enemies can pop Diona’s shield in 1-2 hits, and her heal needs more skill that most casuals to use.
Specifically Diona’s heal relies on burst so it isn’t available all the time, and it requires you to put the injured character in a circle. A “casual” player usually doesn’t have the skill to find a safe location or timing in enemy patterns to heal up. They’d be better off with a shield or a heal that works when the injured character is off field.
I have faith Snezhnaya will undo the cryo vision hunt decree and return Eula to her former glory
It's been nearly 4 years since Eula released and she has always been catching constant strays from members of the community who overvalue their own opinions and takes. The worst offenders were always parts of the KQM community who are pretty much a walmart version of eastern TCers. Eula has everything going against her sadly from sets, weapons to teammates.
All respect to you, Jamie. You're amazing because you do not confidently state insane wrong takes like Zajef or Juice do in these clips, instead you actually took the time to explain the situation of these units. (actually made me wanna revisit Chongyun too)
I was a Eula main for a long time but I've given up on Eula ever receiving proper care from Hoyo, her options are just completely messed up.
Firstly: Her signature, the PF set, and constellations do not help her biggest issues which are energy and crit rate. It's very hard to build a consistent Eula because you really want to crit but your burst also sucks to charge because hoyo screwed up the funneling. Even after a lot of time and resin wasted in her domain I still lack both the energy and crit rate, and the crafting option in natlan also screwed me over, so i can't do much. While modern carries get sets that give them 36% or 40% crit rate, crit weapons and ascensions Eula only has Phys% stats on most of her stuff, the only crit she has is a cdmg ascension. It's also scummy that these new sets place arbitrary limitations on proccing the 4p effect but they take no consideration to activate and are always active, whereas the PF set takes longer to activate the 4p of for far less benefit. (25% extra phys and some attack% versus 40% crit rate from obsidian lol)
Secondly: Even if you get a good build with reliable crit and ER, all her teammates are bad. Mika is terrible because you do not want attack speed; he is a bad battery and his buffs are lackluster even at c6, Bennett is terrible because he locks you into a circle and you can't unlock c6; he is also Pyro which is unhelpful. Furina needs a healer to work but partywide healers are not really good in Eula teams because none of them provide physical related buffs and she is neither cryo nor electro (duh), and we don't have a good 5* cryo battery or off field physical dps so all the strain falls on Eula to do damage in the team. It feels as if she needs 6 teammates because we do not have the role for phys that EVERY OTHER carry has in the game: someone who can do at least 2 roles in one well enough. (heal+buff, off-field+buff, battery+buff, battery+off-field or any combination like this that is an actual good unit)
The closest good teammate is Raiden, I honestly like how she works but the electro app and burst damage bonus are not enough and the Tenacity set buff is very small compared to the Natlan set that gives 40% elemental damage lmao.
I'm not a game dev but imho what Eula needed for a long time was a dedicated cryo-phys off fielder that can complement and buff her, then a Mika who doesn't suck (maybe his c6 should give CRate instead to make eula easier to build), and an electro that is consistent and does something for superconduct maybe or gives a higher buff than raiden.
The worst offender is still her signature and set imho, they do not make it easier to build her at all and I hate that. C2 and C4 also do nothing pretty much. (not that i'm advocating for cons because i'm only a welkin guy, i did not pull for eula cons)
15:15 he’s so blinded by hatred for Eula that he can’t even say her name.
Eye opening video. A lot of people will look over these characters without a second thought
Honestly I haven't used them in a long time aside ayaka for travel in the open world.
In abyss I used to use ganyu all the time but now I barley ever use them for geo or national team. Same with the theater troupe where I combo pyro hydro electro dendro more often
The ONLY Cryo DPS I even play anymore is Aloy.
I dunno, the other Cryo DPS' (except Rizzley except he plays like Aloy) just aren't interesting to me anymore.
Mika is more of a Fun healer with the Atk Speed. Makes Frenchloy so much more fun as a direct result of Him.
Cryo kinda fell when hoyo realized freeze is too broken. I remember back then that whenever abyss content is freezable, ayaka would rip it to pieces. Then they added bosses on both sides and enemies that are either unfreezable, has low freeze time duration or has sky high cryo res.
Sincere question: is Juice a TC? Or just the yapping type of content creator? Besides the asinine takes of Zajeff, I still prefer his takes, or the more neutral from Jamie, than from a yapping youtuber.
Myself just saw her this vid lol, I thought she's one of those hundreds of randomass Genshin YTers
She's a yapper :D I've only watched her since 5.0 but only because cryo is in hiding and she says her favorite element is cryo so she's not instantly hating on every cryo characters like some. But she's not very memorable to me so it sounds like you probably wouldn't like
@@lulufortytwo3884 She only like Arlechinno, Lyney and Neuvillette.
For her, the rest is just shit.
She is also the biggest Ayaka haters I have seen and it was the case before Fontaine.
Everyone was considering Ayaka a top tiers dps, she was saying she is mid at best.
yes her channel also works with Thundah another tc
I’m waiting for the cryo renaissance
I really like Chongyun's burst design and wish there were more characters like this. you swap in press button and see huge numbers. not every character needs to have a 14 second pyronado for off field app. Also the reason why I puled Zhongli constellations, I swap in and a big meteor hits for now absurd damage with Xilonen C2.
wrio c0 stinks, ayaka clears. no way hes just as good as kinich
one day mika will be good. one day
kaeya goat
faruzan c6 is fucking god, do no regret whaling getting her c6 on initial run. off fielf burst res shred that provides energy and her buff lasts longer than bennetts and has 0 restrictions, what else could you ever ask for.
Dam cryo would have been good. IF THEY FUKING RERUNNED SUPPORTS BETTER. SAVE US CITLALI
I remember people saying that Citlali would be a premium physical support which sounds good but now people said she's just a better Layla so idk anymore
Physical support is just cope. Better Layla is sus leak.
@@minhduc21i'm from the future so I can confirm she is a better layla. Now hoyo better make her cryo app no icd so forward melt yoimiya and diluc is viable
Wriothesley is highly rated because he is easy to play. Eula and Ayaka are underrated because they are hard to play.
Genshin community for the most part has skill issue so that's always gonna be a thing
@@Doobydoe There's a reason why Zhongli so popular too lmao
honestly, I think you're right. this is a much more balanced take imo, especially since both zajeff and juice probably don't play any of cryo carries all that much. I also appreciate how you give some love to the unpopular characters -- like chongyun especially. I didn't know he could do 100k per burst spirit blade. he was my first main but I want to build him properly now (I'm on c4). also going to unbench ayaka. also I appreciate how courteous you always are even when disagreeing.
Finally some love for Ganyu, Eula, Rosaria and Chongyun :')
Chungyun as a burst support quip-swap character is really great imo.
They included ease of use and building. You were including try-hards. Apples and oranges.
One thing i love about eula that isnt usually brought up is her damage profile in 2 wave/multi wave content. Killing a wave then immediate burst killing 2nd wave is always satisfying
I feel like with all the gymnastics needed to place characters when Zajef and Juice had disagreeing opinons, it would've been easier to just make a tier list and focus on discussing where you disagree with them.
AYAKA IS THE QUEEN OF CRYO AND NO ONE IS DISAGREEING WITH THAT 🔪
Wrio is helped a lot by the fact he can be played with Xiangling and Bennet. It's both a blessing but also a curse, because his non melt team are ungoldy ass. And someone like Bennet is fought over by way too many dps to give him to a mid dps. Wrio has by far the worst damage of the fontaine dps at c0.
But this may change soon if we can get an alternative to Bennet.
Still I don't think any cryo dps is underrated, they just aren't very good compared to the other dps. Be it quality of life or just damage, and the qol aspect just can't be changed even with better supports.
No the future of cryo, is just to make Capitano or any other future cryo dps busted on the lvl of the best dps.
I actualy think Zajef had mostly good takes for once.
Except the Eula slander, but thats to be expected of him at this point...
Putting ganyu below diona rosaria and kaeya is not good take imo
his bias towards hating ganyu is insufferable. Her dmg is still more than relevant if you try hard enough and she has multiple teams and also slots in as a cryo sub dps or a elegy buffer perfectly. You have to question the credibility of his logical fallacies when he has neither ayaka, ganyu or eula. Putting ganyu below kaeya and diona is just ignorance at its best.
People talking about Chongyun for DPS potential when his forte is to provide Cryo Infusion to the whole team. his burst is great yeah, but the main value is to use the infusions to do all those thermo-electrical reactions all at once with a proper national team full of melees.
10:46 Isn’t Fischl (and Xiangling) already Physical? It just completely non-meta for them.
The way I pulled eula, broken pines, Raiden and Mika c6 and still dont use her says a lot.
You have to see the game more from a casual perspective, all your recent content assumes everyone wanna speedrun the abyss
i make upload for myself and what i find interesting. i only make casual videos when i think of a casual video
I was literally using my Eula yesterday. I miss when she was smacking enemies with 25k NAs in Inazuma 😔 Now everything has stupid physical resistance in overworld. I got Raiden last year but I've been using her in overload with Chevy. I guess I'll try to see what to do with artifacts so I can try Eula. I did keep my Bennet c5 for her, after all :D
My thing about Wriothesley vs Ayaka is that Wriothesley at his "base" wants a lot more investment of primogems. Not only the c1 constellation but his sig weapon has a big difference in damage even compared to other 5 star weapons. Ayaka can still have a solid bump from using many other 5 star swords.
Not to mention that the comparison they made of Ayaka freeze vs Wriothesley melt. If you're comparing a vape character vs a melt one, at least both of them have a multiplier reaction.
I have Wriothesley 3 crowned, so I'm not a hater, but I definitely wouldn't recommend him to most people because he's a huge investment. I'm still torn on whether I should go for his c1 or give up and consider him a trophy character.
0:41 he does. He just glazes kaeya too much to see anything beyond him
14:55 I'm out of my depth here bc I haven't gotten all the artifacts yet. But isn't C1 Physical Fischl cracked with Echoes?
Xinyan is a physical unit.... but pyro fucks up my rotations with eula being cyro
In my opinion physical needs a debuffer kinda like xilonen but only a cryo character that can lower physical resistances and heal not a buffer but for a separate character if its a buffer that buffer needs to be an enabler (Sub DPS If Possible) of the reaction so either a cryo centric battery like fischl or a fischl with buffing capabilities for physical as another electro sub DPS
Freeze needs an overhaul on how it affects everything in the game to be more effective and popular again otherwise it will continue to stay one of the worst reactions in the game due to how limited it can be for all content overall
What I hope for in the future is for double electro *(Sub DPS)* comps for physical carries to become a thing like how double hydro is for pyro units but maybe in snezhnaya...
Another thought that crossed my mind is a sub DPS that does purely physical DMG would be cool tho
Love your content
We've only really seen non attack physical damage from clam and weapons, I expect if we get a physical support it won't be an off field damage dealer, it'll be a quiller
i think physical main dps mika is the way
Hot take feel free to share your opinion.
In my opinion the most and honestly only meta cryo character right now is Kaeya.
Okay hear me out am not talking about some hyperfridge/freeze melt with rosaria etc
Specifically am talking forward melt with arlecchino and only at c6. In team of arlecchino c6kaeya kazucha bennet. In this team you have all standard arlecchino supports but you swap out hydro option like furina yelan xingqiu (which are concidered her best teams) for Kaeya. Why Kaeya and why only at c6?
That’s because arlecchino has standard icd and vapes/melts every 3th hit and c6kaeya is the only character in the game who can enable concistant cryo application, so the vape hits simply became melts instead.Melt has higher multiplayers of 2.0 instead of vape 1.5. And if you want to argue kaeya can’t possibly be good of field dps think about what makes xingling great, it’s her no icd so she can do her job with reactions and she snapshots. Guess what?
In this team Kaeya is also adding support by enabling reactions and also snapshots. bennet and kazucha is there to buff arlecchino but kaeya as well. And his personal dmg is better then most would imagine on emblem set and with c6 which also buffs his dmg from c0 up to 88 % ,also kaeya burst is aoe not like xingqiu or yelan and his c2 can extend his uptime (depending on number of enemies it can be base duration or up to infinite uptime), while as well following your active character.
And that’s not all!
Arlecchino is very front loaded with her bond of life mechanic meaning the more dmg you deal at the start of rotation the better. Melt takes advantage of that alowing her to do more dmg quickly and alowes her to end rotation early giving her more bond of life for second rotation.
Now obviously there are some disadvantages like in every team for example if you use kazucha burst you want to infuse cryo which is not hard but can be inconsistent due to for example getting hit with elemental dmg on kazucha or difficulty to swirl pyro on second wave after dealing with first without messing up cryo application, but other then that I believe what’s the most important factor of no one playing this team is just simply the % of people having c6kaeya or trying to get it in starglitter shop, maybe also the fact that hes a starter character.
So in short he can support one of if not the best team in the game but nobody talks about it/knows about it.
If anybody is interested I have perfect rotation for that team that I can share.
Bro cooked nothing
Me and C3 Kaeya 🗿
Needs literal years to get C6
@@jsk1429tell me why?
@@crazyanimeguycag8953 u could just do everything u said w ayaka hyperbloom that does more dmg. Plus wriothsley +ganyu melt simply does more damage
@@jsk1429no it doesn’t you haven’t even played it fontain goes harder then you think
I just wish my Aloy had a home. Any home 😞
Comparing wrio and kinich is kinda wild imo
As a Freminet player I really can't see what Eula has overall over him, plus he makes use of Mika C6 extremely well with Furina and Fischl as his teammates. Kinda sad he gets glazed over here as usual.
well higher dmg for starters, resh shred so better against ruin enemies and freminets reliance on shatter makes his dmg plummit aginst bosses and abyss is full of them
Makes me wanna take a Eula another spin in the abyss
the most dehydrated eula main has responded to the clickbait
also CN players critting consistently with her burst scares me
No one is under estimating Eula. She feels the worst to play of all the available limited DPS claymore users. I got her on her only rerun still to this day no full clear with her. Shes just awful even compared to Diluc. Ganyu, Ayaka and Shenhe are definitely underrated now. Xilonen helped them out. Mono cryo is never talked about now. Other than the Fontaine era i clear most abysses with that team.
Zajeff is pretty annoying with his nonsensical Eula takes. It’s fine to not like a unit but holy shit it’s frustrating to see someone supposedly intelligent parroting nonsense and borderline lies.
I mean Zajef aside but tbh even Eula's teams,dmg aside as we k they can be fine to good u k
What I actually wanna say is...EULA does have issues tho, a bunch u could say but mainly this one thing which is imo the most impactful that is first of all being backloaded, then ofc her ult being a possible miss/ pre determined so u can really control it ,it will deliver at X moment regardless of whether or not u d like the DMG being done at that moment.
It's just opposite of frondloaded which is as opposed to backloaded, perfect for both speedrun but also just delivering at ur needy time, chare like that like Arle,Int and ofc Navia.
I especially think Navia and EULA r polar opposite and both have similar concept of being a nuke dps with high scalings but one is significantly stronger but forget the strong part , she's better mainly cause of the issues of EULA not being Navia's
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Making another comment, I think you kinda heavily underestimate how much effort goes into making a Eula team good. The Eula team you showed by the billibili guy, is not the reality of 90% of players. It was a high skilled high invstment clear sure but that is how it is. I agree there is a lot of misinformation when characters are hard to play and therefore misunderstood (Xiao and Lyney main here fighting the fight for years) but in the case of Eula it is just not worth it man. The "meta" speedrun teams rely on one singular crit to function, and it is just not feasible both from an emotional frustration point and the actual investment you need to execute this. People will always prefer ease of access. I don't disagree that Eula on paper has decent damage but you actually need to get to the investment threshold there, which most people don't, you know? And zajef sees it similarily too. I am also sure he knows Mika is "bad" for her.
People saying Ayaka has bad damage though is weird, but from a pure all f2p items and teammates perspective, maybe lacking kazuha too, she def feels a lot worse in good setups than she did back then or even pre fontaine. Ayaka perception is cursed by "the higher you are the lower you can fall". She was extremely meta and so easy to use, that flipped completely so she is considered bad now because why do I gotta try hard.
its because right now there is a huge team diff and you need to brindge that and the only way is good investment, this would not be neccesary if she had a premium team lik epretty much every character has but henstly she is still missing 3 good teamates
I think Zajef just hates Rosaria's circle and Annoying E so he thinks she's ass lol
Zajeff likes Kaeya and Rosaria is direct Kaeya upgrade, so ofc he hates her.
Similar situation with Yelan and Furina in relation to Xingque.
@alexownn382 Well that's false, Kaeya has faster cryo application at c6 or even at c0 so he's good in Forward melt like Arlecchino. No one ever uses Rosaria in a Arlecchino team
@@Daverf1f first time hearing that Kaeya is used in Arlecchino’s team. I’ve only seen Charlotte for whale speedruns and Yelan in reverse vape.
Also I have doubts about his faster cryo, fast enough to enable forward melt. In my experience, Rosaria has really good cryo app and I’ve seen her more in forward melt teams. Albeit not Arlecchino teams.
Edit: it seems that Kaeya cannot support Arlecchino forward melt by himself and still needs a second cryo applier. Additionally he needs his c6 to have a better cryo application. So argument about enabling Arlecchino forward melt is irrelevant.
Also, it’s false. Rosaria is used in forward melt Arlecchino teams. Just as Kaeya, she’s used with a second cryo or anemo cryo infusion.
I would argue that Rosaria is better, because higher damage and bigger utility. Thought you can run Kaeya alongside her, so that’s a plus 🤷♀️
I have been using Ayaka for a long time, I use her in my overworld/exploration team(Ayaka, Kazooha, Sayu, Yelan) and she's still really good. I have mistsplitter, so that likely helps. Why are people saying Freeze is done? It works on like, what? 75-90% of enemies? I don't get it. Freeze is still so broken.
Because of abyss lineups. A ton of enemies are freezable, but they keep putting enemies that can't be frozen. The current abyss is amazing for her, but in Fontaine there was a long spell with hyper mobile freeze resistant enemies, cryo shields, enemies with very high resistance to cryo, boss spam, or just unfreezable lineups.
Not that I think that makes her awful. Just that it took a lot more skill and effort for me to clear those lineups with her than other characters.
Because most enemies on abyss either are inmune to freeze (like bosses) or have freeze resistance (like congregated beasts and other elites). Also, freeze as a reaction doesnt really benefit your damage to a similar level like dendro, pyro or electro reactions do, making her need higher investment than other dps's to compensate for the loss of damage from reactions. With abyss increasing the hp of enemies each cycle, its becoming hard for Ayaka to keep up, but thats something almost every dps suffers from.
This is just my opinion
@@arigatiu you're not wrong overall, but as a complementary note, Ayaka doesn't really suffer at all facing the consecrated beasts if you have a good hydro. With Mona they can be quite tough to deal with, but with Furina or Kokomi they remain frozen for nearly the entire time.
I remember back in the sumeru abyss where we had like three waves of double consecrated beasts I ran Ayaka freeze and she just destroyed them very consistently and easily.
I'd say a better example of a freeze resistant enemy that's bad for her are the Fontaine fatui agents that zip around and jump a ton. Ayaka ends up needing super tight rotations or sacrificial sword Kazuha to cheese those enemies in order to clear in good time.
@arigatiu ohhhh OK. Abyss is such a small part of the game. If that's primary metric they're using then more power to them I guess 🤷
@@lily-_- You're right, the fatui agents would've been a better example
Is raiden national team better than raiden chevreuse xiangling Bennett? My raiden is c1
What's Eula's recommended best team without Bennett? (unfortunately C6'd). Is it a large DPS loss with C6? It still feels like it's a lot more comfy tanking wise due to Bennett's healing, even Layla's shield or Diona healing can feel a little less comfy sometimes (compared to when my Bennett wasn't c6)
if your bennett is c6 then i would use mika then
@@jamiekb9v even if Mika is c0? or would Charlotte be better? And I'm assuming you mean for Eula Raiden Furina Mika?
I can see why you can think that Ayaka is underrated, even tho i would disagree, but come on bro, eula is barely functional unless you wanna play the reset simulator, on top of having some of the worst dps in the game.
@@musicaddict9058 barely functional clearing faster than most of my other “meta” dps 😅peak times
@@jamiekb9vThat's definitely skill issue on your part, on top of eula mains crit fishing until the end of time
But i'm talking in terms of general purpose carry. There are probably 20 carriers i would use before i decide to play that backloaded mess.
@@musicaddict9058 she’s bad but she’s def underrated when people are calling her“barely functional” while she has to run scuffed ass supports like Mika and fav ToM Raiden and can still clear fine.
Also there’s so much misinfo about Eula (which is expected i guess considering how unpopular she is), like crit fishing is a parroted meme that generally gets looked down upon my Eula mains.
@@FirstLast-qq9zh I was talking about crit fishing because jamie used the speedrunning argument, and there is no way eula is clearing faster than his meta carries unless they are crit fishing eula's burst with 10:400 ratio
She is barely functional because backloaded damage is the worst thing you wanna have on your carry, on top of her dps being amongst some of the worst in the game, ON TOP of like half the common enemies in abyss having high phys resistances.
@@musicaddict9058 Like I said she is bad for sure but that doesn’t mean she cant also be underrated. Being backloaded has always been a bit of an over exaggerated issue, it can be annoying against certain enemies but against others it can be somewhat of a positive. The current 2nd half for example has geo shields that Eula can stack on with her ult and have the sword fall when the shields are down. Or you can have her stack against a weak first wave and then pop against the next wave like in current 12-2-1. But against most enemies it’s pretty irrelevant and more of a problem in theory than in practice.
And yes again, i’m not disagreeing on the dps or the phys res but despite that and having shit teammates, she can still clear. Calling her barely functional i think qualifies her as underrated but we’ll have to agree to disagree.
(Also the dude in the Bilibili vid ran a ~50% cr Eula, which is pretty low but they also run Rosaria and play for cryo res so it’s closer to 75%)
I find it a little surprising that you’re glazing Eula but downplaying Kinich. He does so, so much more damage in my experience. But I’m a C0R0 non-speed runner (can still get platinums in combat events, but that’s pretty much my limit) with most damage dealing characters at ~200CV so we have very different accounts
Kinich’s damage for a carry that is played onfield with Bennett is nothing special. On teams where you play him with Emilie and you have deepwood in the team his damage contribution is not that much higher than the zero fieldtime sub dps that doesn’t snapshot. Kinich is definitely a good unit but I’ve some insane takes about him especially when his stats were padded to the moon by the last couple abyss blessings. Same thing happened in Fontaine with discourse around Wrio so I understand Jamie’s pov.
also ive been playing kinich in the abyss for hours recently on stream and he might just be the most rng character to optimise HOLY. he's fun though i like playing him
@@Daniele-PierreDuLac Yeah, I’m not saying he’s busted. He’s ~75k dps char not so unlike Alhaitham or Clorinde, good but mot insane. But even that’s a full 50% more dps than Eula’s teams. It’s hard for investment to overcome that in my experience
@@jamiekb9v Yeah he can be fun, I like him. I’m not trying to come for you or anything either, mostly just commenting on our different levels of investment and how it can change perspectives on certain units
@@NotAName1 Kinich’s team at c0r0 with Emilie Bennett and XL is indeed calced around 75k. However removing Emilie from that team for someone like Deyha or Kirara makes team damage plummet to around 55k. (As per TGS) All of a sudden Kinich’s team is doing Eula’s teams levels of damage. And this is team that still has free damage from XL snappshotting Bennett. Even with that you’re straying dangerously close to that 50k mark. That 50% damage gap you were talking about comes not from Kinich’s superior strength but from Emilie’s damage. Lose that and he’s operating at Eula level despite being four years newer having a more streamlined kit, having access to a stronger artefact set, better weapons and better team buffs. This what I mean when I say that people don’t really understand what they’re saying when they evaluate Kinich. And it also shows what Eula numbers could become by swapping out literally any of her three supports for a synergistic offield phys dps.
What do you think the problem is with Eula calcs?
assuming u fully stay on eula without switching and mika actually procs fav and batteries eula with his scuffed skill having a massive cooldown and he doesnt have much cryo app. rosaria does the job cleaner and the team is more versatile
Eula has several problems even if we put her perfect party problems aside, enemies spawning too far, enemies teleporting or dashing away or flying/burrowing, loads of physical resistance from enemies. She suffers from this more than every other characters just because how her burst works. Her problems with energy, set, buffer, off field damage might get fixed by some character in future but the enemy problems will stay and keep her away from ever being a great hypercarry at c0
Jamie would you be willing to make a guide to speedrunning on Ayaka? I have a C2R1 that I've had benched for a long time and I'd love an excuse to pull her out again.
ive been streaming ayaka speedruns recently on twitch, if i get a cool run i could upload it to yt
Its funny how Qiqi didn't make the list 😂
Wow in that case I don't think cryo needs any buffs if all cryo are underrated, keep them this way then😂
Guys i m sorry what Is the goated diona team? I m curius because i wanna play her
Shenhe is overated cos she only has Aya team and her kit is very limited without const.
mid invest Eula is bad cos its worse than basic HB.
Wryo is my fav char but he is mid and I am suprised he is ranked so high. probably many ppl have const and sig
Faruzan ruined Wanderer imo. They made her OP so Xiao can be viable but they nerf Wanderer to compensate.
every element and reactions are already strong and OP but of course hoyo always released specialized support for those reaction and elements to make them more more stronger.
Eula/physical already weak since begining and she has low % dmg multiplier compared to recent non reaction hypercarry but hoyo almost never released physical specialized support (only mika released but we know he sucks not even close to level of faruzan for Anemo, and his buff uptime is not really comfortable for eula burst rotation and he dont fix eula huge problems that is energy and cryo app for cryo crit resonance thats why i prefer run rosaria). so we can say that hoyo intentionaly ignore physical and eula. if hoyo care they should release 3 characters tailored for eula/physical. irony today we can see eula long burst collecting stack rotation dmg is equal to 1 Mualani NA Vape 😢
That's what I am trying to say, there's alot of anti Ayaka out there and they have allied themselves with Wrio simps to dethrone Ayaka using catch words like Freeze is bad therefore Ayaka is bad. Imo these players are very bad and what's worse they parrot these zombie takes.
with hate comes jealousy, wrio could never step anywhere near where ayaka has stepped before
Wryo teams are very easy - everyone have Furina, XL, Beny. Everyone farmed the MaruHunter. Throw him a Widsith and his team slaps.
Aya needs Koko, Shenhe, Mistpliter and heavy artifact grind to Shine.
@@ChiyoTachi I have C2R1 ayaka, and mained her for 2 years. She is simply not up to standard these days.
Her inconsistency would be fine if she had better damage than other carries to compensate, but she is both inconsistent, and not particularly high on the damage output scale.
Ayaka simps are worse, sunk cost fallacy in a nutshell.
Not saying she is bad, but the only way she's competes with newer DPS teams is with dolphin level investment.
@@musicaddict9058 Ayaka consistency is ok, she is far to have as much issues as Mualani in terms of consistency.
People are dumb, big surprise!
Over half on the community probably relies on guides and can't think for themselves, this is how we end up with these "opinions".
I miss the days of C6 Ganyu techs and the sheer artistry paired with technical skill is so goddamn dope