Andreas M. Antonopoulos on What Happens When Bitcoin Takes Over
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- Опубликовано: 4 мар 2019
- In this episode, I talk with the man the legend Mr Andreas M. Antonopoulos. We talk about his influences, how the aggregate decisions of humans lead to adverse outcomes, Bitcoin use cases and ah-ha moments and what maximalists miss with Ethereum.
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“We’re talking about a change in how humanity organises itself.”
- Andreas M. Antonopoulos
Interview location: Skype
Interview date: Thursday 28th Feb, 2019
Company: Independent
Role: Bitcoin & Open Blockchain Expert, Speaker, Author
Bitcoin, the decentralised, trustless, censorship-resistant money.
Bitcoin, digital gold and the hardest form of money the world has.
Bitcoin, a financial infrastructure built for the digital age.
Whatever Bitcoin is to you, it is young, it is maturing, and it is growing in its use cases. Individuals and companies around the world are increasingly adopting Bitcoin; governments are regulating; institutions are investing and developers are building.
Bitcoin is still on the edges; it is niche; it is for the geeks and the speculators, the early adopters and entrepreneurs. But as Bitcoin continues to grow its impact upon humanity will be profound. It is a fundamental shift in what money and value are and how it is held and moved.
In this interview, I talk with Andreas M. Antonopoulos about what happens when Bitcoin takes over. We also discuss Bitcoin use cases and the ah-ha moments which can shift your perception of what Bitcoin is and what it means.
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00:03:54: Introductions
00:05:08: Andreas’ background and passion for reading
00:11:07: Bitcoin’s unsolvable problems
00:12:36: Exploring our flawed current system and the architecture behind it
00:18:54: Where does Bitcoin fit within 21st Century institutions
00:20:20: What is Bitcoin?
00:31:35: The implications of increased Bitcoin adoption on the modern day world
00:35:41: A potential new information society and how this might change humanity
00:41:37: Do we need mass adoption in the Western world to drive Bitcoin forward?
00:47:28: Andreas’ experiences with Bitcoin around the world
00:52:14: Having ‘Aha’ moments with Bitcoin
00:54:47: Discussing Ethereum
00:57:57: Bitcoin maximalism and Andreas’ critiques of this thining
01:02:20: Exploring if you could improve Ethereum by linking it more closely to Bitcoin
01:07:00: Further exploring maximalism in Crypto
01:14:10: Have Bitcoin and Ethereum had a positive impact on the world?
01:21:10: Final comments
Andreas speaks in simple, understandable terms. That’s why The Internet of Money was the first book I read when I tumbled into the rabbit hole.
Welcome to the Freedom Underworld.
Wasn’t it nice when it was still about bitcoin
“The technology has been resilient” this guy is so sad along with the rest of the core camp.
Vanquish Audio What’s up with core dude?
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good job letting him speak not interrupting like some do
SHUSH! We're trying to listen FSF, I mean FFS.
the way Andreas describes the main issue as one of scaling and architecture and how banking was a great liberalizer and poverty reducer that is not scaling well due to its hierarchical, bureaucratic architecture and how decentralized systems will allow us to move governance models into the 21st century was a brilliant insight - wow.
I rarely if ever comment on RUclips videos but feel compelled to now.
What an exciting interview! So much to learn from this. Really interesting to hear the ideas about this being 25 years into the fourth stage of humanity (hunter gatherer, agricultural revolution, industrial revolution, information revolution) and that bitcoin brings money and horizontal organisational structures into this fourth stage of the Internet and information exchange.
Andreas seems to get a bit defensive towards the end when the interviewer challenges him on his claim that speculative investment in bitcoin is a negative side effect of this software technology.
Thank you to whoever made this interview happen and for us to be able to hear these crucial ideas that are of great significance to humanity and can have such a positive effect on the future of communities around the world. Great work.
meh, he is kinda right about the speculative investment part, there are tons of people invested in all kind of coins out there that only do it due to fomo and greed, and iam probably one of them, i do this because of MONEY, and it can have a very negative outcome, noone knows, i think we will see a mania sooner or later, and thats whats iam betting on.
Andreas bets on the technology, and is one of the person in the space that has a pretty clear view on this technology, and is also very open minded, in contrary to someone like tone vays who is extremly close minded, and frankly makes him look more stupid then actually knowledgable.
Oh Man, I love listening to this man. He always offers such deep insight into crypto.
you mean Anton ? Caus the Peter guy should be sued for calling himself a journalist ....
It would be great if Andreas could put up a book list and review of what he's read!
Interesting discussion on hierarchical systems at 17:00, thank you great podcast.
Starts 3:55
@@WhatBitcoinDid if your business model is dependent on people not knowing how to skip forward, you should rethink that model
@@WhatBitcoinDid I wasn't trying to be a prick, but ok. I just feel like you can't be mad at people for not wanting to listen to ads. You can get kids to eat their veggies by hiding it in something they like, but if you make it obvious they'll reject it.
@@WhatBitcoinDid Just put a short 20sec every 15 min
Cyril Claire god no. I will listen to one long one at the beginning don’t fuck this up like RUclips gamers have.
Thank you!
By far, one of the top 10 BTC interviews of all time, IMO! In this video, Andreas proves again why he is the preeminent thinker in this space. His grasp of the area and quick mindedness spans well beyond his knowledge of just the crypto area. Thank you so much for delivering, Peter! I will definitely seek you out for a donation albeit a quite modest one, in the next couple of days.
@@alyzesamwomeninblockchain1238 for sure! Very informative.
Which other ones would you include in your top 10?
@@benwehrman Great question, very difficult to answer. there's just been soo much great content I've seen for almost 5 yrs. now. I would say it depends on your experience level, conviction, as well as what brought you into this space. Some folks are intrigued by the pure technology while others are motivated by other factors such as the economics, philosophy, or geopolitical implications. I would say more recently the Breedlove/Saylor - 5 part "What is Money?" series has been really good. Also, there's a Hass McCook presentation from a year ago called "Bitcoin in 90 mins." that's also really good.
My ah ha moment was when i heard Andreas describe Bitcoin as 'money as a content type'. Everywhere you look, when something has become a content type, the industries involved have ignored it, resisted, then been turned completely upside down
I really enjoyed this interview, subbed and scribed now and looking forward to listening to more.
What a great discussion, i think i would direct people towards this vid to help them understand what bitcoin means
Holy shit that was one of the best interviews ever
Good interview, thank you. Even some civilised argument there.
Top notch interview.
One of the coolest podcasts 😉
"It will change the woooorld !!!", "Do your homework and clean your room"
....and eat your vegetables!! :D
Lol
New term I coined years ago, I think, malevolendipity, fits many of the explanations Andreas gives. The antonym of malevolendipity is serendipity, so it's definition is something like this: "malevolendipity is the occurrence and development of events by chance in a sad or destructive way". The aggregate of all of our choices and actions is producing current outcomes.
OMG! That's me he is talking about in the beginning 🤣 Antonopoulos is the best!
I heard that. the quirky discussions on twitter.
Andreas Antonopoulous is my Satoshi Nakamoto Even Vitalik is sending him his white papers asking for his point of View !
Lilit & the Sun Shine Band How many degrees does he have? (18)?
Andrea Antonopoulos is a master mind!
Great book on the human factor of markets. Extraordinary popular delusions and the Madness of Crowds
aantonop is amazing! great interview
The Best interview ever..Peace
Awesome conversation. I hate the interruptive ads with a passion though. Makes me feel like I’m watching cable television again except I can skip through. Consider putting them at the end or beginning of the show pls!!!
He’s so correct it’s not about good and bad people it’s about tweaking the incentives and disincentives for a good and bad behavior
Great job, thanks! I try to use only btc for tipping, so i can control if my tip arrived
This is great man 👌
Thanks for this, Andreas is such a beneficially articulate emissary/teacher
Actually Andreas is a charlatan, and Peter is a clown
Fantastic discussion!
Great interview!
Essential listening now...Props
Great Interview!
These ideas still hold up today. Wise words from Andreas.
Andreas tends to make sense to me on many issues.
Great video, with good content!
The best podcaster with the best Bitcoin evangelist
I love this guy. I hope he stays alive long enough too spread the message to my grandkids. They always kill brave people who oppose the system in such a strong way. Stay safe
they keep referring to a "Stefan". They only discussion I can find b/w Anton and Stefan Molyneux is from 2014... So what discussion _are_ they referring to? A different Stefan perhaps?
Great show
13:30 word!!! Thanks
Love this guy
Sup Dudes, just stopping by to subscribe and enjoy the great content!
Brooklyn in the House !!!!
the end of fiat is fast approaching simply due to the exponential nature of the debt that it’s based on.
Modern monetary theory sees no problem with increasing debt. Practice of this is evident - world does not fail. Why would FIAT fall? (devil's advocate)
@@yomajo because what you see in Venezuela is the tip of the iceberg because the entire world is on a currency that has no backing of anything real. This allows massive money-printing which ends up hyper inflating all currencies. If you understand fractional Reserve banking then you understand that the debt must increase simply as a matter of how that operation proceeds when it creates the money for a loan but not the interest. It is mathematically certain to go exponential.
@@endthefed5304 Venezuela's crash is not the evidence of faulty monetary system. Oil based economy (crash in oil prices, hence GDP), massive corruption, debt in US dollars, politics, SOCIALISM are among the most crucial factors that led to Bolivars lying on the streets.
Again - I would like to remind, that I'm playing devil's advocate.
@@yomajo I think that as more people realize that fiat (and MMT) get their value, for lack of a better phrase, from State violence they will switch over to an alternative. Crypto seems like the most viable replacement currency, especially as blockchain technology becomes more and more integrated into the internet. If MMT keeps getting pushed by the socialists in the US then I think the threat of violence it requires will become easier for the public to see. I hope so, at least.
Rubbish; debt is just a number that grows over time, the death of fiat will only ever happen if our creditors (owners) 'call the loan' on the National debt (which is just about every country on earth). They will never call the loan as there isnt enough fiat in the system to pay it back....and these people aint after fiat, theyre after more power
Be careful advertising for Blockfi. Interest accounts are verrry questionable. If you continue accepting money from them you should stipulate that you must mention that their interest rate is variable in the ad.
G'day mate and what a great Brooklyn accent U have!
The very first book he mentioned, The Denial of Death by Ernest Becker profoundly changed me.
how? Can you explain what its about? Need to read something worth my time
What bitcoin dip?
Andreas could humbly say that he is satoshi and people are likely to agree because of the knowledge he has in the background
Some of my favorite books :-
Count of Monte Cristo - Alexander Dumas
Mastering Bitcoin - Andreas Antonopolous
Creature From Jekyll Island - J Edward Griffin
Gordon Gecko said "greed is good" but is it ?
Andreas makes some very well considered points here - he really is a kind of an "evangelist" but is tempered by a healthy dose of realism - but he's still a "believer" at heart.
Heh heh heh dumb ass
You got an exciting intro lol I impulsively liked the video because it sounded like a party was started for Andreas
What Happens When Bitcoin Takes Over? 34:05
thanks
Can you get an interview with Matt D'Souza from blockware ? Keep up with the great interviews
Amazing...
What was the 1st, 2nd , 3rd and 4th generational monies ?
Great interview. But how do you know how much to ask for...a haircut with bitcoin...baklava in bitcoin or any thing else? would love to do this...don't know how to price in satoshis....LOVE LISTENING TO ANDREAS! Thanks...
do you always wholeheartedly recommend platforms from which you have no experience? You are a noob at Kraken, no? I am not implying that Kraken is bad, I am merely stating that you are recommending them right out of the gate without having had a good experience over any length of time. Thank you for your interview with Andreas.
Great!
Been waiting for this one. Listened to it two times today. Thanks!
41:35 to skip an ad in the middle
Thanx
Peter, hope you were able to understand now nicely Andreas was helping you understand your own bias. As he stated, when time passes it will become crystal clear how foolish maximalism is.
@Cosmin C u offer your cred further below in comments when you call Andreas a scammer pumping scam coins.
Right on
Blockfi's minimum deposits are a little high. If they lowered the minimums for earning interest, they'd get more customers. Til then, probably waiting for Nexo.
Blindspots is by far the key takeaway. Be aware and focus on them. Look at both sides of arguement....buy more btc
A book is about the journey not the destination :)
Quality!
11:13 Bitcoin conversation starts.
So the question- “what happens when bitcoin takes over” .. to my understanding it’s going to be 5th generation of money and co-exist with all fait currency; added it will only be used primarily if there is a void to fill - such as international payments and or hyper inflation?
Correct or Nah?
yes, the first person one needs to listen is Andreas.
54:49 ethereum
56:30 unstoppable code
His comments about banking system were toned down a lot compared to his recent public speeches during which he strongly condemned the banking system.
Andreas speaking of fear being a motivator for coin maximalism rings very true. Another factor that many see (especially in bitcoin maximalists) is frustration. Imagine you made a couple million or more off bitcoin. Then you did not invest in Ethereum and did not get cheap Ether. You resent missing out. Then you watch as your millions get a very notable amount bitten out of it by this damn Ether token and that Ethereum skinny nerdy Vitalik teenager GRR!
How am I just now discovering this episode?!?! Amazing! Andreas is so good at articulating his thoughts.
I also really love andreas for pulling me into this and his video's can actually get me through the dips lol. Wud like to know his stance on bsv and craig, allround btc development and top 5 alts for their tech instead of profits.
he made an interesting point about poocoins paying to train new blockchain devs.
sometimes those blockchain devs then later discover bitcoin and contribute
'poocoins' lol
Smart guy
I don't think Saifedean Ammous has a fear response about alt coins.
I hope Pierre does not hurt you too badly Peter. Be strong and call him on his brow beating of you.
When?!
Hate to say it but you behind.
When are you inviting him back on?
Like #700 - Good show!
Andreas is beautifully smart. He is like a walking library
now go clean your room :)
good people following bad orders. i think that’s what he meant around 14:30 .
Every time I listen to Andreas speak, I buy a little more Bitcoin! 🤓
Idiot
31:45
Nyc in the house
Im going to need my coder put back like it origonally was.
1:17:20 👽 The alt Singularity. It could implode into a new cryptoverse white hole into another dimension 😜
interview starts at 03:56...
How has he got that much time reading??
He's got reliable income and manages his commitments well. Mixed with no parenting obligations and you leave yourself with loads of time.
People send his patron persona BTC for free
it really is that simple THE BIGGEST HUMAN PROBLEM NOT SOLVE IS HUMAN NATURE . People over think this. We have definitely shown a demand for it..look at any survey of bitcoin. Millennial don't just trade it, they view it as a long term thing
did he really said diwali?
Can we create crypto currencies on values memes
The title of the video should be called: What happens when cryptocurrency takes over?
hello guys
Andreas should go on the JoeRogan podcast
He's been on a couple times already
I think there are 3 episodes already. New one due soon I hope. Search Rogan Andreas...
i've used kraken for about a year now.... no problems at all..... get your crypto off immediately after buying it. only real issue for US customer is funding - the only method available is xfer crypto in or bank wire. other issue is only a limited number of crypto to choose - but it has all the ones i'm interested in.
1:06:00 true?
I thought they discovered people could pay on eth network with other tokens.
I'm mainly in bitcoin, but I feel sorry that u feel sorry because someone defended Ethereum a bit. It's a bitcoin cast and that's great and fine, but I don't think it should be a maximalist and intolerant cast.