If you don't defend your neighbor, you are breaking the commandments of love your neighbor as yourself and do unto others if you would rather be defended.
@benjaminraymundo6711 I hope you would not say to you friend God bless you when he is being attacked by strangers😊 Jesus said love your neighbour's as you love yourself ❤ love isn't just a word. And you are not Jesus bro😅. God belss
“If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed. “Anyone who steals must certainly make restitution, but if they have nothing, they must be sold to pay for their theft. Exodus 22:2-3 NIV Unexpected defence at night time no bloodshed, when the sun has risen its different
Also, note that the wrong has already been done (slapped is in past tense). Self-defense is avoiding being slapped or harmed (future tense). When faced with deadly force (gun, knife, baseball bat, etc.), we have the right or obligation (if a loved one is threatened) to defend ourselves. There is absolutely no Biblical evidence for simply letting someone harm you. Suffer injustice? Yes. Get shot, stabbed or beaten without cause? No. Vengeance is another matter entirely. "Mine is the vengeance, says the Lord." So, while we can defend ourselves, we should not go looking for trouble by doing what God says He will do.
And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. Luke 22:36
@@jesusislord229 Duh, Jesus had a clear plan, and Peter tried to stop that plan. The point of the swords were not to protect jesus, but to protect themselves (Lo and behold, the disciples made it out alive that day).
@wellspring2life Could have been both. To look like a transgressor to complete the prophecy, but also so that his disciples could escape and continue spreading the word.
Amen to that brother. I've always said I'd never lay down and die on my knees. I always had a gut feeling I would not be judged...I hope. I've always thought if every Christian just let people kill them without self defence over the centuries....we'd ALL already be gone from existence centuries ago.
@wellspring2life There has already been violence in heaven if you remember God and Satan having a war in heaven and all the angels that took Satan's side were all cast out too. Violence is in every realm, and so is peace after the violence. To have peace there must be violence first to know the difference. Black-white, yin-yang, positive-negative, right-wrong, action- reaction, God-Satan. It's all the same meaning of knowing the differences...that's my philosophy. If Christians and others did not go to war against evil empires eg, Assyrian empire,Babylon empire, Rome, Hittler then ALL Gods first children 'Jews' would be extinct long ago. Don't forget one of Jesus's apostles carried a sword too. To me violence is exepted by God if it is done in his name with 1 reason only "Righteousness" God is TRUTH. Satan is lies. Lies create wars & violence nothing else. That's the way I see things. It's called common sense as well. To me a person with good common sense will have a much better chance to enter heaven than someone with knowledge. Common sense cannot be taught only learnt from experiences and observations. Eg. You can tell someone for the first time seeing fire 🔥 and tell them it's hot & not to touch, but until they approach it they will never know what you mean.
@wellspring2life like I said God only forgives violence if it is done threw Righteousness. Otherwise Hittler, and Japan would have would've taken over the world. The only way to fight fire is with fire. The Jews would've been wiped out by Hittler if Christians didn't fight for them in WW2. It was the Christian nations that fought off the Germans & Japan. I know that Jesus was not gonna save them...not yet anyway. God used mortal men to do it. So to conclude what I said, without violence there is no peace because with peace there's no violence. It's always been one or the other through history. So God is just as peaceful as he is violent. He has to be as the devil is always violent. Like I said you must fight fire with fire.
@wellspring2life Have you ever been home invaded and had a knife stuck to your throat pinned against a wall in the dark and robbed. I have, I went to the cops told them what happened and who did it...they didn't give a shit and for telling the cops the bastards robbed my house again when i was out 2 days later. I said after that day I will arm myself with many weapons spread through my house and never let that happen again. Just as this world takeover that's under way. Anyone tries to come in my house and harm me my kids or my misses is leaving in a body bag. Everyone will lose on that day if it ever happens. And if go to hell for protecting my family or me so be it. I'll never be on my knees ever again for any man on this planet. If I lose I'll make sure my enemy do too. Even stevens. I'll never harm an innocent person but if you want to bring violence to me expect it 10 fold back. I've been shot,stabbed,bashed,burnt,robbed and I've drawn the line 28yrs ago. And I'd rather die fighting back than living in a cell waiting for execution. I'll never give my enemies whoever they shall be the satisfaction of domination over me..ever. So if that's a sin than maybe I'll be better off in hell being the only righteous man there.
NEEDED. I was beaten a lot in my life. I hugged them. I loved on them. But I kept getting hurt. Ive been told that thats the right thing. Hearing this makes me want to cry man all those years I couldve defended myself
In Judges ch 19 God tells an embarrassing story about two men who instead of drawing their swords and defending themselves, put a WOMAN outside for the wicked men to rape and abuse all night long. It's an embarrassing story of cowardice and it's in God's Word for a REASON.
@@Dan-jp8jrTrue. But if two men with swords were ready and willing to defend themselves and the home the men outside would have had something to think about. Any of them would have likely had second thoughts if they knew they could possibly die
@@cynthiarothrock4255 then Who was with David?...Goliath had 4 brothers who didnt show up...David had 5 stones , 1 for each of them...The only one with David was God..
"14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages". Luke 3:14 (KJV)
The Greek word there is the English word for “Extort” which is why he said be content with your wages afterward… extortion involves threats and violence obviously.
@@Dexion845 [Greek Word: διασείω Transliteration: diaseiō Phonetic Pronunciation:dee-as-i'-o Root: from and Cross Reference: Part of Speech: v Vine's Words: Violence, Violent, Violently Usage Notes: English Words used in KJV: do violence to 1 [Total Count: 1] from (dia) and (seio); to shake thoroughly, i.e. (figurative) to intimidate :- DO VIOLENCE to. -Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary] Thus the Greek scholars are quite correct. ""14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do VIOLENCE to no man".
@Sam Buzhduga Stated: " if you want to defend your view then you must also give a reasonable explanation" I purposely show the views of Almighty God vie the Scriptures. "14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages". Luke 3:14 (KJV) "38 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well" Matt 5:38-40 (ANIV) "51 But one of those with Jesus drew his sword and struck the High Priest's servant, cutting off his ear. 52 "Put back your sword again," said Jesus, "for all who draw the sword shall perish by the sword." Matt. 26:50-52 (WEY) Anyone who teaches contrary to the above is Biblically known as a "HERETIC".
@Sam Buzhduga Anyone who teaches contrary to the commands and instructions of the Lord Christ and his Apostles is Biblically known as a "HERETIC" like it or not, Sam. "10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself". Titus 3:10-11 (KJV) Do you know what 'subverted means, Sam?
So, after 20 years of Marine Corps service, somehow, I missed out on the plundering part. My take is to stop voting for those social justice civil servants warriors who would use the military to plunder. See, fix your wrong, and the plundering goes away.
@Nat Wru So, after 20 years of Marine Corps service, somehow, I missed out on the plundering part. My take is to stop voting for those social justice civil servants warriors who use the military to plunder. See, fix your wrong, and the plundering goes away.
@Nat Wru my husband did not murder and plunder. He was there to take out threats that were killing their OWN people. People who would force a mother to send their child out with a bomb in their hand and blow their self up to kill others. He was there to not only protect us at home but the ones who were there being harmed as well. Men women and children who were in constant fear of being attacked. For just selling food to my husband a man was beheaded and left in the street. Those who did that were pure evil.
Wow. That is so refreshing to hear. I totally agree. I try to keep in mind that our God is the God of the living. Everything he created is pro life, and set up so that life can continue. Death is an abomination to Him. It's not what he intended. I try to weigh things in light of this, so if someone wants to cause me harm, that falls into an anti life action. It may not cause my death, but could cause mental illness from stress which in turn brings illness to the body. The last pro life solution (if there is no other way out) is to fight back.
Pray for those who saved their lives & protected their families using their legal firearms from armed intruders. Now they thanking, glorifying, & praising God. Pray for those anti-gun & unarmed & didn't able to save themselves & their families from armed intruders. After what happened, their lives were ruined, & they even blamed God.
I don't need youre prayers! I have God on my side and he is more powerful than a gun! I am against guns and I know that God will always protect me because I have such great faith
@Isaac Lukose actually, your wrong. God told me he would always protect me as long as I believe that he will. My faith was like a mustard seed but it has grown into a huge tree
@@scrub3359 I am not against guns or capital punishment...I just don't think christians should own any guns or kill anyone....let the pagans do what they do and we who love Jesus we follow Jesus.
Not for obedient faithful followers of the Lord Christ. "27 "But to you who are listening to me I say, Love your enemies; seek the welfare of those who hate you; 28 bless those who curse you; pray for those who revile you. "29 To him who gives you a blow on one side of the face offer the other side also" Luke 6:29 (WEY)
@@thewatcher96 just because someone tries to steps from you doesn't mean they hate you, just because you stop them doesn't mean you hate them, is not hate, we are all just trying to love
@@lazonadejose4657 What does the Lord Christ declare? "You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39 But **I tell you not to oppose** an evil person" Matthew 5:38-39 (GW)
@@elleg8549 What does the Lord Christ declare? "27 "But to you who are listening to me I say, Love your enemies; seek the welfare of those who hate you; 28 bless those who curse you; pray for those who revile you. "29 To him who gives you a blow on one side of the face offer the other side also" Luke 6:29 (WEY) Are you a follower of the Lord Christ or not, Elle?.
And, they may wonder why God did not help. Speaking from experience. I learned, too late, that I was supposed to defend myself. Thank you for this talk.
This is why Christ has well declared.....26 “Anyone who wants to be my follower must love me far more than he does his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters-yes, more than his own life-otherwise he cannot be my disciple. 27 And no one can be my disciple who does not carry his own cross and follow me." Luke 14:25-27 [LB] Christ has declared we must LOVE our enemies not harm or kill them. The military is for killing enemies in man's wars. Wise Christians "Worth their salt" will stay well clear of such schools of learning to maim and destroy human life.
Bottomline is I have liberty in Christ , under grace I'm not subject to the Law of Moses ...I have the God-given right to defend myself and my family from any violence perpetrated against me or my family !
@wellspring2life wrong read Romans 13 that gives governmental authorities such as police and military to execute wrath on unjust doers with the sword making themselves ministers of god. But if you believe in pacifism you can't call police anymore because you would be sinning so don't bother calling police. The Bible says even a heathen will provide for his family.
It depends on how faithful christian's depends and trusting in the WORD in the Bible. The doubt or weaker ones will stick to the old laws the eye for an eye, life for life...and the stronger in faith ones without ceasing will leave everything into the hands of the eternal loving, caring snd protective Almighty creator.
@wellspring2life It is hard for many who proclaim the Lord to disconnect themselves from the violent patterns of this world because it is so engrained within individual cultures especially America. And so , they place there love for those within reach above the love for God because the world is so violent choosing to meet violence with violence above all other alternatives. Many professing Yeshua are so engrained in violent culture that anything other than violent resistance is passivity and cowardly. So according to many when you argue for non-violent resistance their minds automatically think your a coward or passive even though one is not nor is being passive. These professors of Yeshua are so confused of Fathers Will, placeing themselves in positions of power as agents of vengeance and wrath that decide toward and physically wield the sword against evil. Even though God commands to not be those agents because God commands to not take vengeance and to put away wrath. It is bad enough that people professing Yeshua as King, decide to vote in another leader instead of relying on Him to provide and protect that we have what we need and can by prayer on behalf of foreign rulers to have good welfare that we lead a peaceful and quite life in holiness. The West especially in America has been dominated by christian cults that love violence, trying to place themselves in positions of power to make the country they reside their own earthly jerusalem. Yet Yeshua never commanded this but instead said we are citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem awaiting the Kingdom built by Gods hands and not humanities.
@@thejesuswin4738 You can be if you pledge not to kill, to give to those who ask you things, to overcome evil with good, do good to those who persecute you......can you?
What does the Lord Christ declare? "39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also" Matthew 5:39-40 (KJV)
The Watcher Don't forget about "do not repay evil for evil but evil for good" and "bless those who persecute your and give to those who take from you. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two." And "vengeance is mine says the Lord"
@wellspring2life defending yourself is not evil. Repaying evil with evil means pettiness if I was to call someone a crook for and smash his window for smashing mine
I have a wild-card question: this is not specifically about Simon and Alba but I'll use their names anyways. What if Simon told Alba that he was going to have to apologize to his girlfriend. And Alba replies saying he would do no such thing. Simon then becomes ferocious upon seeing that Alba is not kowtowing to him and so he violently shoves Alba to the floor and commands him to kiss his shoes. Alba becomes convinced that he needs to put up with kissing Simon's shoes and that Simon would in all probability try to compound the humiliation by asking him to lick his shoes as well. Alba also realizes that if he does not completely kowtow to Simon that Simon will continue the beating. This is realized because every effort that he makes to show defiance or resistance results in him getting slapped or shoved down. He decides to wait it out, but Simon is getting more aggressive with each passing moment and it is clear that he's not going to put up with anything other than the complete humiliation of Alba. So I think I've created a situation in which a reasonable person would believe that Alba will in all probability be maimed or killed if he does not comply. I also believe that a reasonable person would believe that if Alba allows himself to be humiliated he will not be maimed or killed. Let's suppose the Alba decides he will not consent to being party to his own humiliation and thus he will use lethal force to extract himself from the confrontation. Would this be justified? And just to be repetitive, there is another alternative. He could kowtow to Simon and kiss and lick his shoes and beg for mercy. Given that there's an alternative to using lethal force, is he restricted from using lethal force?
it depends. if "alba" didn't say anything wrong then he should just tell Simon "i didn't do anything wrong, but if there is something i did wrong, i apologies, so please let me know what i can do to make things better" then if Simon is still angry and keeps insisting, alba should maintain diplomacy and then just walk away to avoid further trouble. If Simon strikes alba but it doesn't do damage, alba should just let it slide. however if simon threatens alba's family, he should involve the authirities. now if there are no authorities at all and Simon intends on immediately harming Alba's loved ones, then it his his duty as a Christian to defend his family. now me personally. I avoid problems and if problems come at me, in the past i would've fought, but now, by God's help im trying to be more diplomatic. however, if a fight ensues, i just dodge punches or block instead of hitting back and/or run away. now if someone threatened my family, friends, loved ones or anyone who didn't deserve to be threatened, there are the steps i would take: * involve authorities * if authorities aren't available or there's no need, try to de escalate * if de eacalation doesnt work, then jus fight back bro. The Bible says we should defend those we love and defend what is right. if someone hits you, let it slide, turn the other cheek, but if someone hits someone you love, then hit them back. either way, let's pray God protects us from that situation. May God bless you and guide us all, Amen.
Alba should just say no and get on with his life without any further explanations. In this case Simon speaks with false authority and it can always be countered by the Holy Spirit. When satan tempted Jesus after his forty days of fasting, he asked him to jump off a cliff to which Jesus declined. satan didn't push him down that cliff, he has no such authority. Resist satan's false authority over your life. This attempted violation of Alba by Simon should be treated as a demon manifestation. Demons should be cast out in the name of Jesus. If Simon continues in that line, Alba should exorcise the demon out of him. But saying no without any further explanations should be enough in most cases. Try it some time.
@@nate4zanyone lays a finger on anyone in my family, I’m breaking skulls period. I’m not a violent person but the Papa bear in me sees red when my loved ones are threatened. I’m actually scared of what I can potentially do. I just hope and pray I never EVER have to go through that. 🙏
THIS is what i find myself questioning the most in 2024. If the world starts to fall apart, or they come for my family, do i make it rain terror or not
Christan response to a bully "thank you sir may I have another" after all we will be entertaining Angles, and through our perserevance , the bully will be led to the love of Christ . It's the ❤️ heart warming.
oh buddy you know nothing of the real world plus the Bible say live at peace with everyone if possible if a bully won’t leave you alone go ufc mode on him
A bully at school deliberately kicked me in the nuts a couple of times. How many times should I have to experience that? As a man yourself, you know, you don't forget the experience.
I hear Wayne here saying a lot “I think”. In others words, “this is my opinion.” The early leaders in the church’s infancy where it exploded in growth was an emphasis on enemy love. The yeast of enemy love doctrine runs all throughout their sermons and letters and apologetics. Their emphasis on non violent love for neighbor AND enemy is so overwhelming it’s THE distinguishing mark of a Christian. Wayne forgets that in the garden, when Peter actually used the sword, Jesus rebukes him. Tertullian, a very early Christian leader, said that when our Lord disarmed Peter, he disarmed every soldier. Paul, likewise, when describing a Christian soldier’s weapons always differentiates a sword of the Spirit with the sword of this world. The NT emphasis on The God OF peace, love your enemy, overcome evil with good, pour out your life as Jesus, do good unto those who persecute you, do not avenge yourself but rather leave room for God’s wrath, he who says he loves God and hates another is a liar, raise your hands in prayer (contrasted with raising your hands in harm), peace on earth and goodwill towards men, the glad tidings of the gospel of peace, etc etc etc etc etc. To ignore the proactive love and nonresistance towards neighbor and enemy is to ignore the NT core and central teachings. Read the early church fathers and learn Christ. There were many disagreements in the early church just as there are today in almost every faith and practice, however, there was one nonnegotiable, LOVE. Love for God. Love for neighbor. But THE distinguishing mark of a Christian was Love for enemy. Grace and peace all. 😊
@wellspring2life The early church believed all sorts of heretical doctrines, does that mean we should accept them as well? I think we should be more concerned about what is biblical not what the early church was doing. We can learn from the early church but our final authority should always be the Bible, Sola Scriptura!!
@wellspring2life Yes I don't disagree with becoming a martyr for your testimony for Christ, that's completely biblical 100%. That isn't the issue being addressed in the video though. The issue is whether you sit back and watch as a rapist breaks into your home, ravages your wife and castrates your sons. Does the Bible teach you sit back and watch, or defend you family. The Bible clearly teaches you are responsible to protect and provide for your family. If you decide to just allow a man to come in have his way with your wife and kids, then something is massively wrong with your logic, and I mean that in a respectable way.
@wellspring2life yea I completely disagree. You must not have a wife and kids, but I would never sit back and just watch a rapists have his way with them. I find that no where in Scripture but the opposite.
While I do agree w this man, the one issue I have w his argument at the beginning is, yes, Jesus said if someone strikes you on the right cheek, but he does not say that the striker is using his right hand as to strike w the back of his hand in an insulting sort of slap. Not sure why this guy is using this argument, but at the same time, I do agree with it.
@wellspring2life How is it loving your neighbor if you don't defend your neighbor? How is it doing unto others if you would rather be defended, and you don't defend others? Either way you're sinning so you may as well defend yourself and the other and ask forgiveness. Even if I sin, God's grace abounds and I'm saved by my faith. I would shoot someone who tried to kill my family then ask forgiveness. God would grant me that forgiveness because Jesus died for the real sinner, not the imaginary sinner. Most sins aren't necessary and God's grace enables me to help others but sometimes necessary sins have to happen. God is also sovereign. If Constantine was not meant to do as he did, God wouldn't have allowed it. God controls what happens and controls what is in the Bible. God even predetermines His elect and who is saved in many cases.
@wellspring2life The Bible is silent on self-defense, just like the New Testament is silent on the issue of tattoos. The use of violence in the Bible refers to murder as an act of offense not defense.
There are biblical stories where God sends animals, people, armies, angels, etc to stop harm on good people from evil people. This is self defence as we know it and the action is within Gods good nature as he can not do evil. God will not always intervene with human affairs and may never again since we have our saviour now so it is every good person’s responsibility to minimise harm and defend the helpless.
Is turning the other cheek than more spiritual. Like: taking the higher ground. So no tooth for tooth. But if someone insult you, you do not do it back etc?
Even if it’s not “legal to carry” in your state as long as your a criminal it’s a it’s all good if your just minding your business misdeamnor at best if caught. Respect the law but remember your life must be preserved over a piece of paper of law at all times, however the 2nd ammendment says you have the right to protect yourself at all times that’s all the law you need.
HollowVision I must tell you that as a born-again Christian, I am commanded by Jesus not to engage in the act of self defense or fighting, for this world is not my eternal home and this is not my kingdom. “Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”” John 18:36 As you can see, Jesus speaks to Pilate and says that His kingdom is not of this world, or, He would command His disciples to FIGHT. But He isn't commanding His disciples to fight. In the following section, you will see that He is commanding His followers to a life of peace and pacifism. Jesus said in Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." He speaks later about it in the chapter: 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves to be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors, do they not do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Even the Gentiles, do they not do the same? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." This means that I cannot join the military and wage war against other human beings, whom Jesus died for, too. He is commanding us to love our enemies, and bless those who curse us. To give to those who want to take from us, and if someone FORCES us to go one mile, go with him two. To pray for those who persecute us for the faith, not strike them. Our eternity is not on this earth, why do you wish to preserve your life yourself, do you not trust God to bring justice and vengeance?? 38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not show opposition against an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other toward him also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your [ah]cloak also. 41 Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you." 1 Thessalonians 5:14-15 "14 We urge you, brothers and sisters, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 See that no one repays another with evil for evil, but always seek what is good for one another and for all people." Romans 12:14-2114 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. 17 Never repay evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all people. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all people. 19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written: “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. 1 Peter 2:21-24 "21 For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps, 22 He who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; 23 and while being abusively insulted, He did not insult in return; while suffering, He did not threaten, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed." Peter is making a point, that if we say that we have come to know Jesus, we are going to use His life and death as an example to follow, if the same thing happens to us. John also speaks of these same things in the book of 1 John 2:3-6 "3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever follows His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says that he remains in Him ought, himself also, walk just as He walked." Finally, in 1 John once again, the writer is making it clear that if we are actively saying that we are Christians, or having Christian fellowship with one another, but are walking and living against Jesus's commandments, WE ARE LIARS and the truth is not in us: 1 John 1:5-7 5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. Jesus also makes a point in John 14 on multiple occasions, that we can know if we have come to know Him, if we are actively keeping His commandments: "21 The one who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and the one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will reveal Myself to him.” and... "23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will follow My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our dwelling with him. 24 The one who does not love Me does not follow My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
In the context of an eye for an eye, and tooth for tooth, this refers to punishment for a crime or exacting revenge. It is not a rule for self defense.
I had a home invasion by some homeless people my daughter was trying to help. But they turned in us, there was 3 of them. I did witness one putting on gloves ready to do something to me before sleep. I trusted in GOD and Spoke out the word SHALOM, and his girlfriend was talking him out of it,but witnessed crying and went away.. My daughter and grandson was sleeping in room next to me door locked. This was in Madera Calif. They did witch and voodoo. They snuck in at night. Sometimes I would use a staff and chased them out.
I never thought about this as a religious person or in this context. As a young boy i thought we are in a way sacrificed to show some form of pacifism. Interesting
The issue with pacifism is if you see a helpless person (woman, child, elderly) being attacked and you can stop it, not stopping it would be morally bad. There are stories in the bible where God sends people,armies, angels or animals to defend the innocent from evil people, so self defence is within Gods good nature and seen as morally good because God can not do evil.
You have to read the whole chapter of that 'turn the other cheek...' because it only means for the disciples during Christ's time. It says there that during Christ time there was a great deception that many people will kill Christ's disciples thinking they are doing it for God. That is why Christ said to turn the other cheek but he did not say you should not flee or not to defend yourself. Christ was only saying that due to the confusion during that time be tolerant as much as you can but you can still defend or flee. It is somewhere in the book of John in the new testament read the whole chapter so you'll understand.
Love your enemies, forgive those who use and persecute you; the day of forgiveness is at hand. Forgive them all! All who take up the sword shall perish by the sword! Don't let your zeal blind you to the truth! Heaven will not be built by murder and uprisings! The Love and Wisdom of God will fill the Earth as water fills the sea, the lion will lie down with the lamb, there will be no more killing or destroying; and the voice of weeping should be heard no more.
When you encounter opposition - your human ego stands up bristling in self-defense. The Ego's job as "Guardian of Individuality" is to ensure your survival. Therefore - it springs to your defense and you feel that opposition in any form - is intolerable and not to be borne. As a result - you find your mind and emotions becoming agitated - resentful and heated - and you want to hit back - to make the opposition go away - whether it is justified or not. This is something that people must understand about the Ego - it is absolutely lacking in insight - objectivity and spontaneous sense of justice. When you are controlled by the Ego - the consciousness vibrations you are now emitting are so off balance - so devoid of good sense - that they adversely affect the people around you and create consciousness blueprints of so much disharmony that they begin to affect your future experiences - activities and situations. It is vitally important to your future welfare and life that you wake up to the fact that you are not the victim of your circumstances and the experiences in your life - but the CREATOR of them. For instance - if - during the day - you create a rumpus or argument with work mates or boss - when you return home from your work to your nearest and dearest in the evenings - you may be still controlled by the resentful Ego. If so - you no longer speak from the quietness of the Truth or from any spiritual values you may possess - for these will now be discolored and distorted by the run-away emotions you created for yourself at work earlier in the day. Equally - in the morning - you may emerge from your home (which should be a place where your spirit is renewed and your heart uplifted in warmth) - but you walk through your front door swathed with the disquiet of early morning grumpy reactions to and from your partner. Perhaps you had a row with your partner over one grievance or another and tried to heal it with sex - only to find that while sex seemed to bring you emotionally closer again - it did not really satisfy - and it did not heal the resentment. You must understand that when you have unprotected sex - you exchange not only your body fluids but also your consciousness. Many people's consciousness is constantly so reactive - even hostile - towards mankind and life generally - that it not only reduces the physical health of the individual but also adversely affects their partner's physical and emotional well-being. When - after a hurtful row you have sex to "make-up" the quarrel - you are then also infused with the consciousness of your partner's bad feelings. All unknowingly - you take those to work with you as well as your own. I am explaining to you exactly how the world (which many call solid) - is really CONSCIOUSNESS energy - fashioned out of bad temper consciousness forms or those of love and good humor - affecting our health and performance in life for good or ill. Whatever kind of consciousness we are creating - we leave our energy imprint on everything we encounter… including our car - our computer and anything else we may be using during the day. "How can this be?" Because the entire universe with all its galaxies - is only CONSCIOUSNESS - LOVE/INTELLIGENCE in Its highest form working through the interactions of electromagnetism. ELECTROMAGNETISM is really the "stuff" of human mind power and emotional impulses - as we are seen within the field of earthly life. You must fully understand that nothing is solid. All you see - feel and touch - are really CONSCIOUSNESS IMPULSES made visible through the interplay of electromagnetism. When you have fully understood this and have seen the true place you occupy in creating good health or non-health - happiness or non-happiness FOR YOURSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE - you may then be persuaded that the only sensible way forward is to - WALK CHRIST'S WAY... the WAY of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE How can you begin to change your normal thought patterns and master your unruly emotions? You can do it by exercising willpower. But when you rely on your willpower - you are leaning on the same Ego consciousness as causes you to lose your sense of emotional balance. This is like using treacle to wipe away a mess of treacle. Or you can learn to control the Ego by seeking to know and make contact with the SOURCE of our BEING - which Jesus termed the "Father."
Mankind has been given a natural inbuilt propensity for self-will and a controlling desire for self-gratification and self-defense. This is not sin - but part of the natural creative processes. There is no "punishment" from on high! Mankind - through the willful and harmful exercise of the Ego - draw to themselves their own punishment. For this reason - just as scientific school text-books become redundant as the human mind discovers and absorbs more advanced scientific knowledge - so should the present form of "Christianity" - built upon spurious doctrines centred around Jesus' crucifixion - be allowed to die a natural death. Our present global crisis - introducing a new break down of International Law and laying the foundation for future global terrorism - clearly indicates that no religion - including "Christianity" - possesses the requisite knowledge and effective leadership to initiate changes in human mental patterns - which will lead directly to peace and prosperity.
@I’LL TALK ABOUT IT...! The weapons of spiritual warfare are not carnal no shit Sherlock. The apostles didn't give us permission to do anything since they didn't write their letters to us. The apostles didn't give us permission to use phones or play sports but that Doesn't mean we can't. Apostle Paul did mention self defense against people commiting crimes read Romans 13 so if someone is breaking the law by trying to assault me and steal my things i do have the right to defend myself especially since they are breaking the law. Don't make us have to go into the old testament and show you.
So, it is this man's opinion that the disciples had swords in Gethsemane (which Jesus told them to get) for the purposes of self-defense when Jesus said it was to fulfill prophecy?? And rebuked them instantly when it was used; healing the person it was used upon, telling Peter to stop for those that live by the sword die by the sword? Is it really necessary to think the Son of God or his disciples needed weapons for self-defense while they are out casting out devils, curing diseases and raising the dead? Quite literally if it was God's will that they not die, one of them could die and they'd raise them back.
In my perspective when u fight U HAVE TO FIGHT FOR WHAT U BELIEVE IN NOT JUST A USELESS FIGHT IF U FIGHTING FOR JUST THE FIGHT ITSELF U ARE BUGGIN OUT IF U GOTTA PROTECT YOURSELF DO IT IF U A BOXER FIGHTING FOR PRIDE YOU ARE FOOLISH AND THAT IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO WOULD STEP IN THE BOX AND THROW THEM WITH THE BEST OF EM OR THE WORST OF EM NOT FOR PRIDE BUT FOR RESPECT THE RESPECT IN THE PRINCIPLE OF FIGHTING NOT SENSELESS FIGHTING
Luke ch 22 verses 50-51, are in regards to what he had just got done saying in verses 35-36, 35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. 36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. Luke 22: 50-51 50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear. 51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him. In Joshua ch 2, Joshua was told to obey ALL of the laws given through Moses, when instructed to be courageous and receive the Land. Commandment #6 was never excluded. Then in chapter 5, sometime after listing all of the enemies they conquered over, Joshua was confronted by the commanding Angel of the Lord's army. Joshua asked him are you on either side? The commanding angel replied "NO!" And it was in response to learning who the Angel was, and in response to the NO, Joshua fell on his face. Joshua ch 6 Men of war who were armed, made the Wall fall, with no violence, they strictly used faith in God alone, and obedience. This can be no coincidence after Joshua had fallen on his face, confronted by the commanding Angel of the Lord's army, learning the commander of the Lord's army was on neither side. Men of war, armed, not using their swords at all, to make a city wall fall to the ground, is a prophecy of Christ's instructions. Christ instructed apostles to make sure they have a sword, and nothing else at all, to prove in the exact same chapter in which he instructed them to have the sword and nothing else at all, that they never need a physical sword, if practicing faith and obedience. Got always makes sure that there is a big challenge, for any believer, no matter how obedient their walk is with him. We can all accept and embrace the challenge, the fact we are all a million miles away from where we could be, in our walk with him. The walk we do have IS very powerful and precious, but nothing like it could be. John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. For example, how many of us do you know, who get whatever they ask for in Christ? Luke 6:27-28 But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Exodus 23:4-5 If you meet your enemy's ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him. Proverbs 24:17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles. Proverbs 25:21-22 If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink, for you will heap burning coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you. Matthew 5:38-42 You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, “Do not resist the one who is evil.” Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Romans 12:17-20 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” the burning coals, are referring to a tradition they had. The coals were common. They were burning cinders, yes. They were not directly on their head. They were wrapped in a non flammable material, and offered a comforting warmth, as tradition had it.
Thank you. Turn another cheek for insults. Meet aggression with force equivalent. Ans defend yourself. After you forgive them for attacking you. † amen.
If we cannot allow what is holy to be desecrated, then we must protect the body which is also a holy creation of God. "If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."
@@thewatcher96 still counts as "resisting the evil doer" interpreting the sermon on the mount as literal commands binding in all circumstances to the letter makes our Lord a hypocrite. He thought about the morrow in Gethsemane and didn't give the pharisees a sign from heaven.
Psalm 144:1 "Blessed be the Lord my rock, He trains my fists for battle, my fingers for war." Luke 22:36 "He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
Yes Peter did possess a sword however when Peter used it as a weapon Jesus told him those who live by the sword die by the sword....I need to look into that a little more.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John are old testament He hadn't shed His blood yet that start New testament! Pursue peace and don't lay down and die fight don't kill
I cannot find any New Testament accounts, of any of the Apostles or any other Christians, using carnal weapons to defend themselves. If you can please let me know. [The one and only scripture in Luke, is often taken out of context] I believe they understood as did Stephen. From the book of Acts 6 & 7 --and they chose Stephen, a man Full Of Faith and Of The Holy Ghost... And as those who opposed him stoned him to death. Acts 7:60 - And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep. Stephen was actually praying, for those who were killing him. True Christians walk in the spirit, and not after the flesh. As the Apostle Paul plainly states; But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh. For though we walk in the flesh, We Do Not War After The Flesh. For the weapons of our warfare Are Not Carnal, but mighty Through God to the pulling down of strong holds. And again: For we wrestle Not Against Flesh And Blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against Spiritual Wickedness in high places.
you would have to backhand a person if you use your right hand, if you use your left hand your not backhanding them. there does not seem to be any basis for what he is saying. Jesus says “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who ABUSE YOU, in the verse right before this.
This is why Christ has well declared.....26 “Anyone who wants to be my follower must love me far more than he does his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters-yes, more than his own life-otherwise he cannot be my disciple. 27 And no one can be my disciple who does not carry his own cross and follow me." Luke 14:25-27 [LB] Christ has declared we must LOVE our enemies not harm or kill them. The military is for killing enemies in man's wars. Wise Christians "Worth their salt" will stay well clear of such schools of learning to maim and destroy human life.
@@User2345astdidbud That was in a different dispensation of time and the Laws given to Moses . We are now under the new rules and commandments of Christ and instructions of his ordained Apostles. "43 “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy. 44 But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! 45 In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike". Matthew 5:43-45 (NLT) "27 But I say unto you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you, 28 bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you. 29 To him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and from him that taketh away thy cloak withhold not thy coat also." Luke 6:27-29 (ASV)
Christ said love your enemies. That's right. But that has nothing to do with self defense the Bible says even a heathen will provide for his family. Read Romans 13. That gives government authorities like police and military to execute wrath with the sword on unjust doers. And if you live by not using military blah blah blah then you are a hypocrite if you have called police because in your eyes being a policemen is a sin so if someone is getting attacked and you call police you will be just as guilty as the police if they arrest him
The question is, will Jesus and his apostles, defend themselves with carnal weapons against the threat of life? Will Jesus or his disciples kill their enemies in self defense, or was Jesus and his disciples an exception to the self defense rule? Did Jesus and his disciples loved their enemies even unto death?
Whether they "Kill" or "Murder" either way, people would have failed to "Love thine enemies" as Christ has commanded his faithful followers. So there is no escape from either killing or murdering them..... As to Christ and the use of the sword by St. Peter. He was rebuked for doing so, and also gave a grave warning. "One of the men with Jesus pulled out his sword and struck the high priest’s slave, slashing off his ear. 52 “Put away your sword,” Jesus told him. “Those who use the sword will die by the sword". Matthew 26:51-52 (NLT) How many paid that terrible price in the two World Wars, Usdi?
It's written Jesus says, "Do not resist an evil person." If we murder those who murder us, are we not a murderer? We are not the judge. Therefore, we do not judge our aggressors to a fate of any harm, "Love your enemy." The One who is the Judge, He will Judge.
If we take the sermon on the mount as literal commands binding in all circumstances than our Lord is a hypocrite because he thought about the morrow in Gethsemane and didn't give the pharisees a sign from heaven.
The pharisees were supposed to be the ones who believed most. If they needed a sign, then anyone looking for the Messiah would have asked for a sign, instead of trust in our God.
How can you love your neighbor yet not defend your neighbor? How can you do unto others if you would want to be defended yet you fail to defend the others?
I may not be Christian but taking a life to defend yourself and you're family or community should be normal life is violent and there are those who wish us harm but even though we may have no enemies we should defend what we love from those who wish to take.
It's your call, be a sheep ready to be slaughtered, but were going to defend you either you want it or not, were given a different set of gifts by the spirit anyways, and for sure ther'es a lot of us out there whose design is to defend others like you...
You misunderstood the scripture being a Christian is not about what others did to us it is about what we do to them are we Glorifiying God if we hit others? It depends if we are veing hurt because of our faith or by sharing a Gospel we dont have to because God is our protection
Jude 14-16 King James Version 14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
@I’LL TALK ABOUT IT...! i think its common sense to understand that its wrong to kill someone that has done no wrong...? You don't need Jesus to tell you that..its wrong to do that aye? Cuz thats literally murder. Kill is simply ending a life...but if it means ending a person whose life has been filled with killing other people....that may just be the right thing to do? Aye? Im pretty sure Christ and his Apostles would understand that
@I’LL TALK ABOUT IT...! bruh Jesus literally tells us to sell our cloak and buy a dagger/sword, im pretty sure the bible says its okay to kill in self defense..was King David a sinner because he led a brutal military campaign against the Amalekites? Was Joshua a sinner because he led the siege on Jericho which led to many of Israel's enemies getting killed? Is Judah the Macabite a sinner cuz he led a rebellion against the Hellenist forces? So many people in the Bible killed in self defense and they were rewarded for their acts of bravery. Are soldiers sinners? They kill enemies! Are police officers who shoot armed gunmen sinners? The list goes on and on. Listen buddy, if you are a pacifist that refuses to raise a finger even when you see your wife or daughter get raped right in front of you just say it we are all cool with that. The only thing id hope is you are not in charge of the ministry of defence lmao
Too many "I think" and not what the plain words of Christ declare! "38 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. 41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles".
What about "do not repay evil for evil but evil for good" and "bless those who persecute your and give to those who take from you. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two." And "vengeance is mine says the Lord"???
@@jesusislord229 And when he (Moses) saw one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged his quarrel that had the harm done to him, and smote the Egyptian.
@@jesusislord229 Mercy is for after the incident is over. You cannot repay evil ANYTHING until the evil is done with. Some evils never stop themselves, and must be stopped by force, which is why God allows guards, military, police etc. As well as in His own Law, the right to end life if necessary. You're adding on rules which don't exist, and fir what reason?
@@jesusislord229 that's where your wrong you think defending yourself is somehow evil it's not Romans 13 gives authority to kill people who are unjust doers who are breaking the law
What happened in the Old Testament when Almighty God Himself ordered and watched over His nation Israel, and when He commanded wicked nations to be totally destroyed for their corruption and evils ways, has nothing to do with our Christian era. Almighty God is calling out for the future rulership of the world a body of "Kings and priests" who are to rule the nations of the world with Christ for 1,000 years. And our commanding officer, the Lord Christ, has instructed that we do not harm other humans in this present "Dispensation of Grace". But are to control our corrupted human nature and submit to his commands and those of his personally ordained Apostles. For this is a life of probation to see if we are fit and aspire to be faithfully obedient, and so be granted an entrance into Christ's coming Kingdom.
Im having trouble with this. If someone breaks in to my home to kill my family or if someone starts attacking me am i supposed to let them? What did Jesus mean when he was dieng on the cross and told them to buy swords? I am confused and i know confusion doesn't come from the Lord. I understand that it is wrong to watch this filth on tv and love violence. I understand to love our enemies but love them enough to kill me or a family member? If i was sitting in Church and someone came in there shooting are we supposed to let them shoot us or get away? I need help on this matter
@@jacobortwine7063 Hey Jacob, I saw your comment so I just thought I'd try to help on the matter. In Matthew 5:38,39 Jesus teaches "Do not resist the one who is evil". Now in the context of this verse Jesus is addressing an Old Testament (OT) law about retaliation, which basically was anything someone does to you, you can do to them (Exodus 21:22-25). I personally believe that Jesus is teaching us not to seek retaliation or to seek vengeance, but to forgive the other person when they insult you or harm you. Now the law that Jesus is addressing is referring to acts like a single punch in anger or something similar, not full blow fights or a person breaking into your home to murder you. In fact, when people were seeking to murder Jesus, He fled by disappearing into the crowd (because it wasn't his time to die yet), Paul, when he discovered that people were after his life, fled from the city that he preaching at in Acts 9:23-25. Also Paul harshly rebuked the Jews when they unjustly struck him in Acts 23 and sought to defend himself legally against injustice when he appealed to Cesar in Acts 25. These are all acts of self defense or resistance, maybe not through physical means, but still. In Romans 13:1-7, Paul teaches that the government is a servant of God and an avenger to punish wrongdoers and that they do "not bear the sword in vain" in verse 4 showing that the government is meant to protect people. While we are not under the OT law anymore because of Christ, Exodus 22:2-3 is an example of God showing us that self defense is acceptable, and concerning the example of the nation of Israel in the OT, the nation held a standing army and it was acceptable to defend themselves from invaders. Now concerning the swords that Jesus mentions in Luke 22:38,39, I do believe that Jesus needed the swords to be present so that the prophecy about him being "numbered with the transgressors." would be fulfilled and isn't addressing the topic of self defense. But as the video above mentions, the fact that the apostles already owned the swords maybe something to take note of. The Bible speaks in large amounts that we are never to take it upon ourselves to seek out personal vengeance, but rather wait for God to avenge us, but never speaks directly against protecting yourself. The closest verse that I know of that can be viewed as such is Matthew 5:38,39, and its concerning an OT law about personal vengeance, which leads me to believe that self defense is acceptable. These are just my thoughts on the matter though, and verses that I know that deal with this subject. Personally I would encourage to simply read your Bible and pray to God about this subject . Fast and seek Him in prayer and I'm sure God will help you in the matter, and whatever conclusion you make, be sure to that it is Biblical accurate.
purpleecho1 In his teachings, the Lord is emphasizing how it is for believers to live in humbleness and meekness. That is another case for being attacked, and defend one’s self against an attacker. Common sense, skills and ability are the issues not forgiveness.
BeyondReady7 I believe, you are misusing the text for the argument of self-defense. Luke 22:36-38 doesn’t suggest or instruct believers to kill in self-defense. The context is about the disciples’ ability to provide for their own need of the preaching materials as scripts (from the Lord’s teachings and commandments) as they go out to proclaim the gospel. They don’t have Bibles at that time yet. They only have the Lord’s words in memory. And as the word “script” suggests, if you do not have the available notes to preach then go and ask your fellow disciple to share it with you. That is the context of what buying the sword means. The Lord sternly warned his disciples, as he sent them out to preach the gospel; he told them “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”(Matthew 10:16). And with that said, arming them with swords to defend themselves doesn’t justify the sense of his words. Isaiah 53:12 is a prophesy about the Lord being reckoned by the authority in his time as a criminal, hence a capital punishment of death by crucifixion was ordered and given to him. It’s not a reference giving his disciples and followers the authority to bear swords. Self-defense in the Bible is fulfilled only when one is doing and following God’s precepts and commandments. And it is more likely accomplished with common sense and wisdom. As the Lord said-“if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.” Securing the locks of your gate and doors, or closing and locking your windows, or fencing your house against intruders are some of the common ways and means of self-defense. But above all, trusting God is the most important, for as the Bible says *”When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him”* (Proverbs 26:7).
Solarbanz Z Yes, you are partly correct. But meekness doesn’t always mean submission. Even though meekness always conveys humbleness, defending one’s self only needs common sense. When you are being attacked and you feel your life is in danger, submission is no point. If you know how to defend yourself, you can as well saved others lives even more.
If Jesus didn't really mean turn the other cheek, then why did he say it? I think you are sorely misrepresenting Jesus by trying to make it sound like he REALLY said something entirely different. Don't get me wrong; I am very, very pro-2A myself. But not because of the Bible.
If Jesus resisted those who crucified him, would we be saved? He has been sent as an example for us, so that we may follow him. He teaches absolute pacifism, does he not?
You do know Jesus is God in the flesh, he’s a God of WAR and LOVE. My God isn’t passive at all. Compassionate and long suffering yes but never passive.
But only God the Father is the Judge, who, at the time only He knows, will pass His Judgment, because He and He alone has Perfect Righteousness. Therefore, we must not pass judgment on His behalf, for man is wicked, and does not know Perfect Justice. He did not use powers of war through His Son, but the Power to Heal, and to forgive and not to condemn. Therefore, we must follow His example of His Son, who was made flesh, as we are flesh, and leave the Justice of God, Who is Our Heavenly Father, to God, Who is Our Father.
The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son, so that all people will honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 5:22-23 HCSB bible.com/bible/72/jhn.5.22-23.HCSB
If you don't defend your neighbor, you are breaking the commandments of love your neighbor as yourself and do unto others if you would rather be defended.
I don’t know about that brother… care to explain with some versus from the Bible? Please?
@benjaminraymundo6711 I hope you would not say to you friend God bless you when he is being attacked by strangers😊 Jesus said love your neighbour's as you love yourself ❤ love isn't just a word. And you are not Jesus bro😅. God belss
Biblical meaning of who is your neighbor? Who does the Bible say is our neighbor?
“If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him”
What verse?
Verse?
RideTn exodus 22:2
“If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; but if it happens after sunrise, the defender is guilty of bloodshed. “Anyone who steals must certainly make restitution, but if they have nothing, they must be sold to pay for their theft.
Exodus 22:2-3 NIV
Unexpected defence at night time no bloodshed, when the sun has risen its different
@@AFFI909 why is it different
This is Spiritual and logical gold. So sad that our culture has wandered so far from truth.
Friend, this is nonsense. Turn the other cheek - but DON'T turn the other cheek?
@@mattr.1887 turn the other check was for a slap, an insult, not attempted murder.
@@mattr.1887 Slap the GLORY out of someone that tries bodily harm! Imagine the God of the universe telling you to be a doormat
@@micahwatz1148even if they were to kill you should not fight back.
@@risunshin Nope! Just had a classmate in my martial arts school kill an intruder. You cannot convince me he sinned
Great topic ! extremely important timing , thank you
Also, note that the wrong has already been done (slapped is in past tense). Self-defense is avoiding being slapped or harmed (future tense). When faced with deadly force (gun, knife, baseball bat, etc.), we have the right or obligation (if a loved one is threatened) to defend ourselves. There is absolutely no Biblical evidence for simply letting someone harm you.
Suffer injustice? Yes. Get shot, stabbed or beaten without cause? No.
Vengeance is another matter entirely. "Mine is the vengeance, says the Lord." So, while we can defend ourselves, we should not go looking for trouble by doing what God says He will do.
And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one. Luke 22:36
Two is enough!
And the first time they use them, they are rebuked for it.
@@jesusislord229 Duh, Jesus had a clear plan, and Peter tried to stop that plan.
The point of the swords were not to protect jesus, but to protect themselves (Lo and behold, the disciples made it out alive that day).
Amen
@wellspring2life
Could have been both. To look like a transgressor to complete the prophecy, but also so that his disciples could escape and continue spreading the word.
Amen to that brother. I've always said I'd never lay down and die on my knees. I always had a gut feeling I would not be judged...I hope. I've always thought if every Christian just let people kill them without self defence over the centuries....we'd ALL already be gone from existence centuries ago.
I have difficult time seeing my family be killed for what we believe and bow down I just can't see myself doing that 😪
@wellspring2life There has already been violence in heaven if you remember God and Satan having a war in heaven and all the angels that took Satan's side were all cast out too. Violence is in every realm, and so is peace after the violence. To have peace there must be violence first to know the difference. Black-white, yin-yang, positive-negative, right-wrong, action- reaction, God-Satan. It's all the same meaning of knowing the differences...that's my philosophy. If Christians and others did not go to war against evil empires eg, Assyrian empire,Babylon empire, Rome, Hittler then ALL Gods first children 'Jews' would be extinct long ago. Don't forget one of Jesus's apostles carried a sword too. To me violence is exepted by God if it is done in his name with 1 reason only "Righteousness" God is TRUTH. Satan is lies. Lies create wars & violence nothing else. That's the way I see things. It's called common sense as well. To me a person with good common sense will have a much better chance to enter heaven than someone with knowledge. Common sense cannot be taught only learnt from experiences and observations. Eg. You can tell someone for the first time seeing fire 🔥 and tell them it's hot & not to touch, but until they approach it they will never know what you mean.
@wellspring2life like I said God only forgives violence if it is done threw Righteousness. Otherwise Hittler, and Japan would have would've taken over the world. The only way to fight fire is with fire. The Jews would've been wiped out by Hittler if Christians didn't fight for them in WW2. It was the Christian nations that fought off the Germans & Japan. I know that Jesus was not gonna save them...not yet anyway. God used mortal men to do it. So to conclude what I said, without violence there is no peace because with peace there's no violence. It's always been one or the other through history. So God is just as peaceful as he is violent. He has to be as the devil is always violent. Like I said you must fight fire with fire.
@wellspring2life Have you ever been home invaded and had a knife stuck to your throat pinned against a wall in the dark and robbed. I have, I went to the cops told them what happened and who did it...they didn't give a shit and for telling the cops the bastards robbed my house again when i was out 2 days later. I said after that day I will arm myself with many weapons spread through my house and never let that happen again. Just as this world takeover that's under way. Anyone tries to come in my house and harm me my kids or my misses is leaving in a body bag. Everyone will lose on that day if it ever happens. And if go to hell for protecting my family or me so be it. I'll never be on my knees ever again for any man on this planet. If I lose I'll make sure my enemy do too. Even stevens. I'll never harm an innocent person but if you want to bring violence to me expect it 10 fold back. I've been shot,stabbed,bashed,burnt,robbed and I've drawn the line 28yrs ago. And I'd rather die fighting back than living in a cell waiting for execution. I'll never give my enemies whoever they shall be the satisfaction of domination over me..ever. So if that's a sin than maybe I'll be better off in hell being the only righteous man there.
@@Junior51211 god works in mysterious ways. But its okay if you dont have faith in him
Excellent, concise, and thoughtful teaching.
NEEDED. I was beaten a lot in my life. I hugged them. I loved on them. But I kept getting hurt. Ive been told that thats the right thing. Hearing this makes me want to cry man all those years I couldve defended myself
In Judges ch 19 God tells an embarrassing story about two men who instead of drawing their swords and defending themselves, put a WOMAN outside for the wicked men to rape and abuse all night long. It's an embarrassing story of cowardice and it's in God's Word for a REASON.
To be fair they where outnumbered.
@@Dan-jp8jrTrue. But if two men with swords were ready and willing to defend themselves and the home the men outside would have had something to think about. Any of them would have likely had second thoughts if they knew they could possibly die
@@jeffknowlton5200 and wouldnt they win the battle, if the Lord was with them?
@@Dan-jp8jr think again
Was David alone when he struck Goliath.
No
Whom won
David lived
Goliath dead
David wasn't alone.
@@cynthiarothrock4255 then Who was with David?...Goliath had 4 brothers who didnt show up...David had 5 stones , 1 for each of them...The only one with David was God..
"14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them,
Do violence to no man,
neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages".
Luke 3:14 (KJV)
The Greek word there is the English word for “Extort” which is why he said be content with your wages afterward… extortion involves threats and violence obviously.
@@Dexion845
[Greek Word: διασείω
Transliteration: diaseiō
Phonetic Pronunciation:dee-as-i'-o
Root: from and
Cross Reference:
Part of Speech: v
Vine's Words: Violence, Violent, Violently
Usage Notes:
English Words used in KJV:
do violence to 1
[Total Count: 1]
from (dia) and (seio); to shake thoroughly, i.e. (figurative) to intimidate :- DO VIOLENCE to.
-Strong's Talking Greek & Hebrew Dictionary]
Thus the Greek scholars are quite correct.
""14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do VIOLENCE to no man".
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 to shake thoughly is equivalent to our phrase shakedown.
Thank You.
The man in the video speaks heresy by denying the Lord's words of truth....
@Sam Buzhduga Stated: " if you want to defend your view then you must also give a reasonable explanation"
I purposely show the views of Almighty God vie the Scriptures.
"14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them,
Do violence to no man,
neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages".
Luke 3:14 (KJV)
"38 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.'
39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person.
If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well"
Matt 5:38-40 (ANIV)
"51 But one of those with Jesus drew his sword and struck the High Priest's servant, cutting off his ear. 52 "Put back your sword again," said Jesus, "for all who draw the sword shall perish by the sword."
Matt. 26:50-52 (WEY)
Anyone who teaches contrary to the above is Biblically known as a "HERETIC".
@Sam Buzhduga
Anyone who teaches contrary to the commands and instructions of the Lord Christ and his Apostles is Biblically known as a "HERETIC" like it or not, Sam.
"10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; 11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself".
Titus 3:10-11 (KJV)
Do you know what 'subverted means, Sam?
@@earnestlycontendingforthef5332 how?...just asking , not an attack..thanks
@@woodgrainstudios7321
How what?
Thanks, I've always felt as a Christian carrying a weapon wasn't a no-go. Otherwise, my time in the Marines would have been difficult.
So, after 20 years of Marine Corps service, somehow, I missed out on the plundering part. My take is to stop voting for those social justice civil servants warriors who would use the military to plunder. See, fix your wrong, and the plundering goes away.
@Nat Wru So, after 20 years of Marine Corps service, somehow, I missed out on the plundering part. My take is to stop voting for those social justice civil servants warriors who use the military to plunder. See, fix your wrong, and the plundering goes away.
The same goes for my time in the Army
@Nat Wru my husband did not murder and plunder. He was there to take out threats that were killing their OWN people. People who would force a mother to send their child out with a bomb in their hand and blow their self up to kill others. He was there to not only protect us at home but the ones who were there being harmed as well. Men women and children who were in constant fear of being attacked. For just selling food to my husband a man was beheaded and left in the street. Those who did that were pure evil.
You need a weapon in this generation it's all corrupt
Wow. That is so refreshing to hear.
I totally agree. I try to keep in mind that our God is the God of the living. Everything he created is pro life, and set up so that life can continue. Death is an abomination to Him. It's not what he intended. I try to weigh things in light of this, so if someone wants to cause me harm, that falls into an anti life action. It may not cause my death, but could cause mental illness from stress which in turn brings illness to the body. The last pro life solution (if there is no other way out) is to fight back.
Pray for those who saved their lives & protected
their families using their legal firearms from armed
intruders. Now they thanking, glorifying, & praising
God. Pray for those anti-gun & unarmed & didn't able
to save themselves & their families from armed
intruders. After what happened, their lives were ruined,
& they even blamed God.
I don't need youre prayers! I have God on my side and he is more powerful than a gun! I am against guns and I know that God will always protect me because I have such great faith
@@scrub3359 You do you but church shootings happen. Don't tell me all church shootings happen because lack of faith.
@Isaac Lukose actually, your wrong. God told me he would always protect me as long as I believe that he will. My faith was like a mustard seed but it has grown into a huge tree
@@spets234 god works in mysterious ways. It’s probably a good thing
@@scrub3359 I am not against guns or capital punishment...I just don't think christians should own any guns or kill anyone....let the pagans do what they do and we who love Jesus we follow Jesus.
Yes, trade others as you want to be traded but at the same time take up for yourself and your family if necessary
It is a moral obligation to defend oneself.
Not for obedient faithful followers of the Lord Christ.
"27 "But to you who are listening to me I say, Love your enemies; seek the welfare of those who hate you;
28 bless those who curse you; pray for those who revile you.
"29 To him who gives you a blow on one side of the face offer the other side also"
Luke 6:29 (WEY)
@@thewatcher96 just because someone tries to steps from you doesn't mean they hate you, just because you stop them doesn't mean you hate them, is not hate, we are all just trying to love
@@lazonadejose4657
What does the Lord Christ declare?
"You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
39 But **I tell you not to oppose** an evil person"
Matthew 5:38-39 (GW)
@@thewatcher96 but for a bullied child? 2:12 physical abuse has no place and must be stopped. Sometimes it takes one stone to school a prideful giant.
@@elleg8549
What does the Lord Christ declare?
"27 "But to you who are listening to me I say, Love your enemies; seek the welfare of those who hate you;
28 bless those who curse you; pray for those who revile you.
"29 To him who gives you a blow on one side of the face offer the other side also"
Luke 6:29 (WEY)
Are you a follower of the Lord Christ or not, Elle?.
Thank you very much for clarifying this issue!
And, they may wonder why God did not help. Speaking from experience. I learned, too late, that I was supposed to defend myself. Thank you for this talk.
God told Noah to build the ark to wipe out nearly all humanity because they became evil and it looks like everyone allowed it to happen to xx
Amen brother! 👍🏻🙏🏻😀
THANK YOU!
Amen hallelujah!!!!
Spot on
I needed this
This is why Christ has well declared.....26 “Anyone who wants to be my follower must love me far more than he does his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters-yes, more than his own life-otherwise he cannot be my disciple.
27 And no one can be my disciple who does not carry his own cross and follow me."
Luke 14:25-27 [LB]
Christ has declared we must LOVE our enemies not harm or kill them.
The military is for killing enemies in man's wars.
Wise Christians "Worth their salt" will stay well clear of such schools of learning to maim and destroy human life.
Lord thank you for this message!!
Amen!
Bottomline is I have liberty in Christ , under grace I'm not subject to the Law of Moses ...I have the God-given right to defend myself and my family from any violence perpetrated against me or my family !
@wellspring2life wrong read Romans 13 that gives governmental authorities such as police and military to execute wrath on unjust doers with the sword making themselves ministers of god. But if you believe in pacifism you can't call police anymore because you would be sinning so don't bother calling police. The Bible says even a heathen will provide for his family.
It depends on how faithful christian's depends and trusting in the WORD in the Bible. The doubt or weaker ones will stick to the old laws the eye for an eye, life for life...and the stronger in faith ones without ceasing will leave everything into the hands of the eternal loving, caring snd protective Almighty creator.
Amen brother couldnt say it better myself
"No student is above the teacher. It is enough that the student become like the teacher."
Yet the Teacher while Mortal did not set us an example of violent force or enforcement towards people. So which teacher are the people following?
@wellspring2life if God does not grant them repentance as They did David, then you are correct.
@wellspring2life
It is hard for many who proclaim the Lord to disconnect themselves from the violent patterns of this world because it is so engrained within individual cultures especially America. And so , they place there love for those within reach above the love for God because the world is so violent choosing to meet violence with violence above all other alternatives. Many professing Yeshua are so engrained in violent culture that anything other than violent resistance is passivity and cowardly. So according to many when you argue for non-violent resistance their minds automatically think your a coward or passive even though one is not nor is being passive.
These professors of Yeshua are so confused of Fathers Will, placeing themselves in positions of power as agents of vengeance and wrath that decide toward and physically wield the sword against evil. Even though God commands to not be those agents because God commands to not take vengeance and to put away wrath.
It is bad enough that people professing Yeshua as King, decide to vote in another leader instead of relying on Him to provide and protect that we have what we need and can by prayer on behalf of foreign rulers to have good welfare that we lead a peaceful and quite life in holiness.
The West especially in America has been dominated by christian cults that love violence, trying to place themselves in positions of power to make the country they reside their own earthly jerusalem. Yet Yeshua never commanded this but instead said we are citizens of the heavenly Jerusalem awaiting the Kingdom built by Gods hands and not humanities.
@wellspring2life Can you be a police officer as a christian?
@@thejesuswin4738 You can be if you pledge not to kill, to give to those who ask you things, to overcome evil with good, do good to those who persecute you......can you?
✝️
We can self defense.
God with us.
Amen
What does the Lord Christ declare?
"39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil:
but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloke also"
Matthew 5:39-40 (KJV)
The Watcher
Don't forget about "do not repay evil for evil but evil for good" and "bless those who persecute your and give to those who take from you. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two." And "vengeance is mine says the Lord"
@@jesusislord229 none of those scriptures apply to self defense
@wellspring2life defending yourself is not evil. Repaying evil with evil means pettiness if I was to call someone a crook for and smash his window for smashing mine
@@thewatcher96 again nothing about self defense
Very good. I recently did a video on this subject on my RUclips channel and taught the same thing.
I have a wild-card question: this is not specifically about Simon and Alba but I'll use their names anyways. What if Simon told Alba that he was going to have to apologize to his girlfriend. And Alba replies saying he would do no such thing. Simon then becomes ferocious upon seeing that Alba is not kowtowing to him and so he violently shoves Alba to the floor and commands him to kiss his shoes. Alba becomes convinced that he needs to put up with kissing Simon's shoes and that Simon would in all probability try to compound the humiliation by asking him to lick his shoes as well. Alba also realizes that if he does not completely kowtow to Simon that Simon will continue the beating. This is realized because every effort that he makes to show defiance or resistance results in him getting slapped or shoved down. He decides to wait it out, but Simon is getting more aggressive with each passing moment and it is clear that he's not going to put up with anything other than the complete humiliation of Alba. So I think I've created a situation in which a reasonable person would believe that Alba will in all probability be maimed or killed if he does not comply. I also believe that a reasonable person would believe that if Alba allows himself to be humiliated he will not be maimed or killed. Let's suppose the Alba decides he will not consent to being party to his own humiliation and thus he will use lethal force to extract himself from the confrontation. Would this be justified? And just to be repetitive, there is another alternative. He could kowtow to Simon and kiss and lick his shoes and beg for mercy. Given that there's an alternative to using lethal force, is he restricted from using lethal force?
it depends. if "alba" didn't say anything wrong then he should just tell Simon "i didn't do anything wrong, but if there is something i did wrong, i apologies, so please let me know what i can do to make things better" then if Simon is still angry and keeps insisting, alba should maintain diplomacy and then just walk away to avoid further trouble. If Simon strikes alba but it doesn't do damage, alba should just let it slide. however if simon threatens alba's family, he should involve the authirities. now if there are no authorities at all and Simon intends on immediately harming Alba's loved ones, then it his his duty as a Christian to defend his family.
now me personally. I avoid problems and if problems come at me, in the past i would've fought, but now, by God's help im trying to be more diplomatic. however, if a fight ensues, i just dodge punches or block instead of hitting back and/or run away. now if someone threatened my family, friends, loved ones or anyone who didn't deserve to be threatened, there are the steps i would take:
* involve authorities
* if authorities aren't available or there's no need, try to de escalate
* if de eacalation doesnt work, then jus fight back bro.
The Bible says we should defend those we love and defend what is right. if someone hits you, let it slide, turn the other cheek, but if someone hits someone you love, then hit them back. either way, let's pray God protects us from that situation. May God bless you and guide us all, Amen.
@Български would you lick the shoes/feet of the perpetrator if that is what they are insisting you do in order to deescalate?
Alba should just say no and get on with his life without any further explanations.
In this case Simon speaks with false authority and it can always be countered by the Holy Spirit. When satan tempted Jesus after his forty days of fasting, he asked him to jump off a cliff to which Jesus declined. satan didn't push him down that cliff, he has no such authority. Resist satan's false authority over your life. This attempted violation of Alba by Simon should be treated as a demon manifestation. Demons should be cast out in the name of Jesus. If Simon continues in that line, Alba should exorcise the demon out of him. But saying no without any further explanations should be enough in most cases. Try it some time.
@@bumblebee4280 You are dodging the question.
@@nate4zanyone lays a finger on anyone in my family, I’m breaking skulls period. I’m not a violent person but the Papa bear in me sees red when my loved ones are threatened. I’m actually scared of what I can potentially do. I just hope and pray I never EVER have to go through that. 🙏
THIS is what i find myself questioning the most in 2024. If the world starts to fall apart, or they come for my family, do i make it rain terror or not
Christan response to a bully "thank you sir may I have another" after all we will be entertaining Angles, and through our perserevance , the bully will be led to the love of Christ . It's the ❤️ heart warming.
oh buddy you know nothing of the real world
plus the Bible say live at peace with everyone if possible
if a bully won’t leave you alone go ufc mode on him
A bully at school deliberately kicked me in the nuts a couple of times. How many times should I have to experience that? As a man yourself, you know, you don't forget the experience.
I hear Wayne here saying a lot “I think”. In others words, “this is my opinion.”
The early leaders in the church’s infancy where it exploded in growth was an emphasis on enemy love. The yeast of enemy love doctrine runs all throughout their sermons and letters and apologetics. Their emphasis on non violent love for neighbor AND enemy is so overwhelming it’s THE distinguishing mark of a Christian.
Wayne forgets that in the garden, when Peter actually used the sword, Jesus rebukes him. Tertullian, a very early Christian leader, said that when our Lord disarmed Peter, he disarmed every soldier.
Paul, likewise, when describing a Christian soldier’s weapons always differentiates a sword of the Spirit with the sword of this world.
The NT emphasis on The God OF peace, love your enemy, overcome evil with good, pour out your life as Jesus, do good unto those who persecute you, do not avenge yourself but rather leave room for God’s wrath, he who says he loves God and hates another is a liar, raise your hands in prayer (contrasted with raising your hands in harm), peace on earth and goodwill towards men, the glad tidings of the gospel of peace, etc etc etc etc etc.
To ignore the proactive love and nonresistance towards neighbor and enemy is to ignore the NT core and central teachings.
Read the early church fathers and learn Christ.
There were many disagreements in the early church just as there are today in almost every faith and practice, however, there was one nonnegotiable, LOVE. Love for God. Love for neighbor. But THE distinguishing mark of a Christian was Love for enemy.
Grace and peace all. 😊
Amazing
Ive been very confused about this lately, whether it is acceptable for me to fight against evil or to just accept persecution.
Stand up against evil and put a stop to it but do not take revenge or repay tit for tat.
It is for me too. He mentions the slapping of the check but doesnt mention the part where it says "do not resist evil"
@wellspring2life The early church believed all sorts of heretical doctrines, does that mean we should accept them as well? I think we should be more concerned about what is biblical not what the early church was doing. We can learn from the early church but our final authority should always be the Bible, Sola Scriptura!!
@wellspring2life Yes I don't disagree with becoming a martyr for your testimony for Christ, that's completely biblical 100%. That isn't the issue being addressed in the video though. The issue is whether you sit back and watch as a rapist breaks into your home, ravages your wife and castrates your sons. Does the Bible teach you sit back and watch, or defend you family. The Bible clearly teaches you are responsible to protect and provide for your family. If you decide to just allow a man to come in have his way with your wife and kids, then something is massively wrong with your logic, and I mean that in a respectable way.
@wellspring2life yea I completely disagree. You must not have a wife and kids, but I would never sit back and just watch a rapists have his way with them. I find that no where in Scripture but the opposite.
While I do agree w this man, the one issue I have w his argument at the beginning is, yes, Jesus said if someone strikes you on the right cheek, but he does not say that the striker is using his right hand as to strike w the back of his hand in an insulting sort of slap. Not sure why this guy is using this argument, but at the same time, I do agree with it.
@wellspring2life
That's about minor issues, not about threats to your life. The specific examples given like suing for a shirt are almost comical.
@wellspring2life
How is it loving your neighbor if you don't defend your neighbor? How is it doing unto others if you would rather be defended, and you don't defend others? Either way you're sinning so you may as well defend yourself and the other and ask forgiveness. Even if I sin, God's grace abounds and I'm saved by my faith. I would shoot someone who tried to kill my family then ask forgiveness.
God would grant me that forgiveness because Jesus died for the real sinner, not the imaginary sinner. Most sins aren't necessary and God's grace enables me to help others but sometimes necessary sins have to happen.
God is also sovereign. If Constantine was not meant to do as he did, God wouldn't have allowed it. God controls what happens and controls what is in the Bible. God even predetermines His elect and who is saved in many cases.
90% of the world is right handed. It is reasonable to assume that Jesus meant a backhanded slap
@wellspring2life Jesus literally told the disciples to get a sword for protection. Swords are deadly force weapons. Case closed.
@wellspring2life The Bible is silent on self-defense, just like the New Testament is silent on the issue of tattoos. The use of violence in the Bible refers to murder as an act of offense not defense.
Left handed people: "This is more than an insult"
There are biblical stories where God sends animals, people, armies, angels, etc to stop harm on good people from evil people. This is self defence as we know it and the action is within Gods good nature as he can not do evil.
God will not always intervene with human affairs and may never again since we have our saviour now so it is every good person’s responsibility to minimise harm and defend the helpless.
Is turning the other cheek than more spiritual. Like: taking the higher ground. So no tooth for tooth. But if someone insult you, you do not do it back etc?
AMEN!!!
What do you do if it's against the law to carry anything for the purpose of self-defense? (Welcome to Australia)
Romans 13. Be in subjection to all governing authorities
Even if it’s not “legal to carry” in your state as long as your a criminal it’s a it’s all good if your just minding your business misdeamnor at best if caught. Respect the law but remember your life must be preserved over a piece of paper of law at all times, however the 2nd ammendment says you have the right to protect yourself at all times that’s all the law you need.
Australia omggggg well protect yourself Lowkey don’t brandish weapons publicly
you can have it but remember the word i said brandish so dont brandish any weapons dont show them off but still keep it on you
HollowVision
I must tell you that as a born-again Christian, I am commanded by Jesus not to engage in the act of self defense or fighting, for this world is not my eternal home and this is not my kingdom.
“Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.””
John 18:36
As you can see, Jesus speaks to Pilate and says that His kingdom is not of this world, or, He would command His disciples to FIGHT. But He isn't commanding His disciples to fight. In the following section, you will see that He is commanding His followers to a life of peace and pacifism.
Jesus said in Matthew 5:9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."
He speaks later about it in the chapter: 43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves to be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors, do they not do the same? 47 And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Even the Gentiles, do they not do the same? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect."
This means that I cannot join the military and wage war against other human beings, whom Jesus died for, too. He is commanding us to love our enemies, and bless those who curse us. To give to those who want to take from us, and if someone FORCES us to go one mile, go with him two. To pray for those who persecute us for the faith, not strike them. Our eternity is not on this earth, why do you wish to preserve your life yourself, do you not trust God to bring justice and vengeance??
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not show opposition against an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other toward him also. 40 And if anyone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your [ah]cloak also. 41 Whoever forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks of you, and do not turn away from him who wants to borrow from you."
1 Thessalonians 5:14-15 "14 We urge you, brothers and sisters, admonish the unruly, encourage the fainthearted, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 See that no one repays another with evil for evil, but always seek what is good for one another and for all people."
Romans 12:14-2114 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. 17 Never repay evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all people. 18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all people. 19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written: “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” 21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
1 Peter 2:21-24
"21 For you have been called for this purpose, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you would follow in His steps, 22 He who committed no sin, nor was any deceit found in His mouth; 23 and while being abusively insulted, He did not insult in return; while suffering, He did not threaten, but kept entrusting Himself to Him who judges righteously; 24 and He Himself brought our sins in His body up on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live for righteousness; by His wounds you were healed."
Peter is making a point, that if we say that we have come to know Jesus, we are going to use His life and death as an example to follow, if the same thing happens to us.
John also speaks of these same things in the book of 1 John 2:3-6 "3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever follows His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says that he remains in Him ought, himself also, walk just as He walked."
Finally, in 1 John once again, the writer is making it clear that if we are actively saying that we are Christians, or having Christian fellowship with one another, but are walking and living against Jesus's commandments, WE ARE LIARS and the truth is not in us:
1 John 1:5-7
5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7 but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
Jesus also makes a point in John 14 on multiple occasions, that we can know if we have come to know Him, if we are actively keeping His commandments:
"21 The one who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and the one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will reveal Myself to him.”
and...
"23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will follow My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our dwelling with him. 24 The one who does not love Me does not follow My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine, but the Father’s who sent Me."
Amen🤲🏼
In the context of an eye for an eye, and tooth for tooth, this refers to punishment for a crime or exacting revenge. It is not a rule for self defense.
Is remote viewing or astral projection not just pretending/imagining you are doing the thing?
Amen
I had a home invasion by some homeless people my daughter was trying to help. But they turned in us, there was 3 of them. I did witness one putting on gloves ready to do something to me before sleep. I trusted in GOD and Spoke out the word SHALOM, and his girlfriend was talking him out of it,but witnessed crying and went away.. My daughter and grandson was sleeping in room next to me door locked. This was in Madera Calif. They did witch and voodoo. They snuck in at night. Sometimes I would use a staff and chased them out.
I never thought about this as a religious person or in this context. As a young boy i thought we are in a way sacrificed to show some form of pacifism. Interesting
The issue with pacifism is if you see a helpless person (woman, child, elderly) being attacked and you can stop it, not stopping it would be morally bad.
There are stories in the bible where God sends people,armies, angels or animals to defend the innocent from evil people, so self defence is within Gods good nature and seen as morally good because God can not do evil.
A slap in the face was an expression for insulting someone during those times
You have to read the whole chapter of that 'turn the other cheek...' because it only means for the disciples during Christ's time. It says there that during Christ time there was a great deception that many people will kill Christ's disciples thinking they are doing it for God. That is why Christ said to turn the other cheek but he did not say you should not flee or not to defend yourself. Christ was only saying that due to the confusion during that time be tolerant as much as you can but you can still defend or flee. It is somewhere in the book of John in the new testament read the whole chapter so you'll understand.
yes, every children should have sword...for protection.
Love your enemies, forgive those who use and persecute you; the day of forgiveness is at hand.
Forgive them all!
All who take up the sword shall perish by the sword!
Don't let your zeal blind you to the truth!
Heaven will not be built by murder and uprisings!
The Love and Wisdom of God will fill the Earth as water fills the sea, the lion will lie down with the lamb, there will be no more killing or destroying; and the voice of weeping should be heard no more.
Non of those scriptures talk about self defense. Read Romans 13.
When you encounter opposition - your human ego stands up bristling in self-defense. The Ego's job as "Guardian of Individuality" is to ensure your survival. Therefore - it springs to your defense and you feel that opposition in any form - is intolerable and not to be borne.
As a result - you find your mind and emotions becoming agitated - resentful and heated - and you want to hit back - to make the opposition go away - whether it is justified or not.
This is something that people must understand about the Ego - it is absolutely lacking in insight - objectivity and spontaneous sense of justice.
When you are controlled by the Ego - the consciousness vibrations you are now emitting are so off balance - so devoid of good sense - that they adversely affect the people around you and create consciousness blueprints of so much disharmony that they begin to affect your future experiences - activities and situations.
It is vitally important to your future welfare and life that you wake up to the fact that you are not the victim of your circumstances and the experiences in your life - but the CREATOR of them.
For instance - if - during the day - you create a rumpus or argument with work mates or boss - when you return home from your work to your nearest and dearest in the evenings - you may be still controlled by the resentful Ego. If so - you no longer speak from the quietness of the Truth or from any spiritual values you may possess - for these will now be discolored and distorted by the run-away emotions you created for yourself at work earlier in the day.
Equally - in the morning - you may emerge from your home (which should be a place where your spirit is renewed and your heart uplifted in warmth) - but you walk through your front door swathed with the disquiet of early morning grumpy reactions to and from your partner.
Perhaps you had a row with your partner over one grievance or another and tried to heal it with sex - only to find that while sex seemed to bring you emotionally closer again - it did not really satisfy - and it did not heal the resentment. You must understand that when you have unprotected sex - you exchange not only your body fluids but also your consciousness.
Many people's consciousness is constantly so reactive - even hostile - towards mankind and life generally - that it not only reduces the physical health of the individual but also adversely affects their partner's physical and emotional well-being.
When - after a hurtful row you have sex to "make-up" the quarrel - you are then also infused with the consciousness of your partner's bad feelings. All unknowingly - you take those to work with you as well as your own.
I am explaining to you exactly how the world (which many call solid) - is really CONSCIOUSNESS energy - fashioned out of bad temper consciousness forms or those of love and good humor - affecting our health and performance in life for good or ill. Whatever kind of consciousness we are creating - we leave our energy imprint on everything we encounter… including our car - our computer and anything else we may be using during the day.
"How can this be?"
Because the entire universe with all its galaxies - is only CONSCIOUSNESS - LOVE/INTELLIGENCE in Its highest form working through the interactions of electromagnetism. ELECTROMAGNETISM is really the "stuff" of human mind power and emotional impulses - as we are seen within the field of earthly life.
You must fully understand that nothing is solid. All you see - feel and touch - are really CONSCIOUSNESS IMPULSES made visible through the interplay of electromagnetism.
When you have fully understood this and have seen the true place you occupy in creating good health or non-health - happiness or non-happiness FOR YOURSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE - you may then be persuaded that the only sensible way forward is to -
WALK CHRIST'S WAY... the WAY of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
How can you begin to change your normal thought patterns and master your unruly emotions?
You can do it by exercising willpower. But when you rely on your willpower - you are leaning on the same Ego consciousness as causes you to lose your sense of emotional balance. This is like using treacle to wipe away a mess of treacle.
Or you can learn to control the Ego by seeking to know and make contact with the SOURCE of our BEING - which Jesus termed the "Father."
Mankind has been given a natural inbuilt propensity for self-will and a controlling desire for self-gratification and self-defense.
This is not sin - but part of the natural creative processes.
There is no "punishment" from on high!
Mankind - through the willful and harmful exercise of the Ego - draw to themselves their own punishment.
For this reason - just as scientific school text-books become redundant as the human mind discovers and absorbs more advanced scientific knowledge - so should the present form of "Christianity" - built upon spurious doctrines centred around Jesus' crucifixion - be allowed to die a natural death.
Our present global crisis - introducing a new break down of International Law and laying the foundation for future global terrorism - clearly indicates that no religion - including "Christianity" - possesses the requisite knowledge and effective leadership to initiate changes in human mental patterns - which will lead directly to peace and prosperity.
@I’LL TALK ABOUT IT...! The weapons of spiritual warfare are not carnal no shit Sherlock. The apostles didn't give us permission to do anything since they didn't write their letters to us. The apostles didn't give us permission to use phones or play sports but that Doesn't mean we can't. Apostle Paul did mention self defense against people commiting crimes read Romans 13 so if someone is breaking the law by trying to assault me and steal my things i do have the right to defend myself especially since they are breaking the law. Don't make us have to go into the old testament and show you.
So, it is this man's opinion that the disciples had swords in Gethsemane (which Jesus told them to get) for the purposes of self-defense when Jesus said it was to fulfill prophecy?? And rebuked them instantly when it was used; healing the person it was used upon, telling Peter to stop for those that live by the sword die by the sword? Is it really necessary to think the Son of God or his disciples needed weapons for self-defense while they are out casting out devils, curing diseases and raising the dead? Quite literally if it was God's will that they not die, one of them could die and they'd raise them back.
In my perspective when u fight U HAVE TO FIGHT FOR WHAT U BELIEVE IN NOT JUST A USELESS FIGHT IF U FIGHTING FOR JUST THE FIGHT ITSELF U ARE BUGGIN OUT IF U GOTTA PROTECT YOURSELF DO IT IF U A BOXER FIGHTING FOR PRIDE YOU ARE FOOLISH AND THAT IS COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO WOULD STEP IN THE BOX AND THROW THEM WITH THE BEST OF EM OR THE WORST OF EM NOT FOR PRIDE BUT FOR RESPECT THE RESPECT IN THE PRINCIPLE OF FIGHTING NOT SENSELESS FIGHTING
Yes but your opinion is worthless God is the only worthwhile opinion
Luke ch 22 verses 50-51, are in regards to what he had just got done saying in verses 35-36,
35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.
36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22: 50-51
50 And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.
51 And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.
In Joshua ch 2, Joshua was told to obey ALL of the laws given through Moses, when instructed to be courageous and receive the Land.
Commandment #6 was never excluded.
Then in chapter 5, sometime after listing all of the enemies they conquered over, Joshua was confronted by the commanding Angel of the Lord's army. Joshua asked him are you on either side? The commanding angel replied "NO!" And it was in response to learning who the Angel was, and in response to the NO, Joshua fell on his face.
Joshua ch 6
Men of war who were armed, made the Wall fall, with no violence, they strictly used faith in God alone, and obedience.
This can be no coincidence after Joshua had fallen on his face, confronted by the commanding Angel of the Lord's army, learning the commander of the Lord's army was on neither side.
Men of war, armed, not using their swords at all, to make a city wall fall to the ground, is a prophecy of Christ's instructions.
Christ instructed apostles to make sure they have a sword, and nothing else at all, to prove in the exact same chapter in which he instructed them to have the sword and nothing else at all, that they never need a physical sword, if practicing faith and obedience.
Got always makes sure that there is a big challenge, for any believer, no matter how obedient their walk is with him.
We can all accept and embrace the challenge, the fact we are all a million miles away from where we could be, in our walk with him. The walk we do have IS very powerful and precious, but nothing like it could be.
John 15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
For example, how many of us do you know, who get whatever they ask for in Christ?
Luke 6:27-28
But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.
Exodus 23:4-5
If you meet your enemy's ox or his donkey going astray, you shall bring it back to him. If you see the donkey of one who hates you lying down under its burden, you shall refrain from leaving him with it; you shall rescue it with him.
Proverbs 24:17
Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, and let not your heart be glad when he stumbles.
Proverbs 25:21-22
If your enemy is hungry, give him bread to eat, and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink, for you will heap burning coals on his head, and the Lord will reward you.
Matthew 5:38-42
You have heard that it was said, “An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.” But I say to you, “Do not resist the one who is evil.”
Romans 12:14
Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.
Romans 12:17-20
Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.
Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord.
To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”
the burning coals, are referring to a tradition they had. The coals were common. They were burning cinders, yes.
They were not directly on their head. They were wrapped in a non flammable material, and offered a comforting warmth, as tradition had it.
Thank you. Turn another cheek for insults.
Meet aggression with force equivalent. Ans defend yourself. After you forgive them for attacking you. † amen.
If we cannot allow what is holy to be desecrated, then we must protect the body which is also a holy creation of God.
"If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for God's temple is sacred, and you together are that temple."
That is the truth but most christians forgot that! The priests let others harm them
No so called christians forgot that Yeshua while mortal is our set example who did not live a life of violence.
Sadly I see no text in the Bible that justifies violence against people. We can rationalize as much as we want but it's not in the text
Driving the merchants from the temple.
@@christophersnedeker2065
No humans were maimed or killed during the overturning of the tables...of the "Den of thieves".
@@thewatcher96 still counts as "resisting the evil doer" interpreting the sermon on the mount as literal commands binding in all circumstances to the letter makes our Lord a hypocrite. He thought about the morrow in Gethsemane and didn't give the pharisees a sign from heaven.
I can give you two scriptures that prove otherwise
Psalm 144:1 "Blessed be the Lord my rock, He trains my fists for battle, my fingers for war."
Luke 22:36 "He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
Not enough scripture to settle it for me but thank you
he also said, sell your garments if you don’t have a sword and buy one
Yes Peter did possess a sword however when Peter used it as a weapon Jesus told him those who live by the sword die by the sword....I need to look into that a little more.
Not because he was defending the Messiah, but because he was going against the Most High's plan.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John are old testament He hadn't shed His blood yet that start New testament! Pursue peace and don't lay down and die fight don't kill
Firm Grip & Velvet Glove
Defend yourself
Did Jesus disciples carry swords after the day of Pentecost?
@I’LL TALK ABOUT IT...! amen
I cannot find any New Testament accounts, of any of the Apostles or any other Christians, using carnal weapons to defend themselves. If you can please let me know.
[The one and only scripture in Luke, is often taken out of context]
I believe they understood as did Stephen.
From the book of Acts 6 & 7 --and they chose Stephen, a man Full Of Faith and Of The Holy Ghost...
And as those who opposed him stoned him to death.
Acts 7:60 - And he kneeled down, and cried with a loud voice, Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep.
Stephen was actually praying, for those who were killing him.
True Christians walk in the spirit, and not after the flesh.
As the Apostle Paul plainly states;
But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.
For though we walk in the flesh, We Do Not War After The Flesh.
For the weapons of our warfare Are Not Carnal, but mighty Through God to the pulling down of strong holds.
And again:
For we wrestle Not Against Flesh And Blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against Spiritual Wickedness in high places.
you would have to backhand a person if you use your right hand, if you use your left hand your not backhanding them. there does not seem to be any basis for what he is saying. Jesus says “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28bless those who curse you, pray for those who ABUSE YOU, in the verse right before this.
I think we sometimes forget that spirit begat spirit, we need to put the flesh down constantly. I too struggle with this.
This is why Christ has well declared.....26 “Anyone who wants to be my follower must love me far more than he does his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, or sisters-yes, more than his own life-otherwise he cannot be my disciple.
27 And no one can be my disciple who does not carry his own cross and follow me."
Luke 14:25-27 [LB]
Christ has declared we must LOVE our enemies not harm or kill them.
The military is for killing enemies in man's wars.
Wise Christians "Worth their salt" will stay well clear of such schools of learning to maim and destroy human life.
@@User2345astdidbud
That was in a different dispensation of time and the Laws given to Moses
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We are now under the new rules and commandments of Christ and instructions of his ordained Apostles.
"43 “You have heard the law that says, ‘Love your neighbor’ and hate your enemy.
44 But I say, love your enemies!
Pray for those who persecute you!
45 In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For he gives his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and he sends rain on the just and the unjust alike".
Matthew 5:43-45 (NLT)
"27 But I say unto you that hear, Love your enemies, do good to them that hate you,
28 bless them that curse you, pray for them that despitefully use you.
29 To him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and from him that taketh away thy cloak withhold not thy coat also."
Luke 6:27-29 (ASV)
Christ said love your enemies. That's right. But that has nothing to do with self defense the Bible says even a heathen will provide for his family. Read Romans 13. That gives government authorities like police and military to execute wrath with the sword on unjust doers. And if you live by not using military blah blah blah then you are a hypocrite if you have called police because in your eyes being a policemen is a sin so if someone is getting attacked and you call police you will be just as guilty as the police if they arrest him
What if it's not self-defense what if you are the oppressor
that's murder
The question is, will Jesus and his apostles, defend themselves with carnal weapons against the threat of life?
Will Jesus or his disciples kill their enemies in self defense, or was Jesus and his disciples an exception to the self defense rule?
Did Jesus and his disciples loved their enemies even unto death?
Shut your bitch ass up you a pushover
Obviously don’t know scriptures
@@NANA-fo9ct stop swearing really just stop
Jesus didnt have to do self defense anyways but i dont know.But i think God and Jesus would understand if we do self defense
@@NANA-fo9ct swearing is not Glorifying god those words we use are not good please think about swearing and using those words
Whether they "Kill" or "Murder" either way, people would have failed to
"Love thine enemies" as Christ has commanded his faithful followers.
So there is no escape from either killing or murdering them.....
As to Christ and the use of the sword by St. Peter.
He was rebuked for doing so, and also gave a grave warning.
"One of the men with Jesus pulled out his sword and struck the high priest’s slave, slashing off his ear.
52 “Put away your sword,” Jesus told him.
“Those who use the sword will die by the sword".
Matthew 26:51-52 (NLT)
How many paid that terrible price in the two World Wars, Usdi?
Jesus loves you!
And why would they carry swords. What do you use a sword for, wood sculpting? No it's for damage or death
For fish and other things like cutting food or something, maybe?
@@Idontlikeuuu I thought knives were used for that
It's written Jesus says, "Do not resist an evil person." If we murder those who murder us, are we not a murderer? We are not the judge. Therefore, we do not judge our aggressors to a fate of any harm, "Love your enemy." The One who is the Judge, He will Judge.
If we take the sermon on the mount as literal commands binding in all circumstances than our Lord is a hypocrite because he thought about the morrow in Gethsemane and didn't give the pharisees a sign from heaven.
The pharisees were supposed to be the ones who believed most. If they needed a sign, then anyone looking for the Messiah would have asked for a sign, instead of trust in our God.
Not all killing is murder.
And what happens in the garden when Peter uses that sword to defend Jesus?
How can you love your neighbor yet not defend your neighbor? How can you do unto others if you would want to be defended yet you fail to defend the others?
Jesus said, “No more of this!” and healed the wound
@@Paul-dw2cl Yes because Jesus was predestined to die on the cross and Peter knew this. It had no choice but to happen.
Eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth.
Self defense is justified, but don't retaliate when someone come for your faith. Teach these babies to fight back
This sounds like common sense to me. Think about how the world works people!
I may not be Christian but taking a life to defend yourself and you're family or community should be normal life is violent and there are those who wish us harm but even though we may have no enemies we should defend what we love from those who wish to take.
It's your call, be a sheep ready to be slaughtered, but were going to defend you either you want it or not, were given a different set of gifts by the spirit anyways, and for sure ther'es a lot of us out there whose design is to defend others like you...
You've got it partly right. There is more cultural meaning to it than what you said. Please look into it.
You misunderstood the scripture being a Christian is not about what others did to us it is about what we do to them are we Glorifiying God if we hit others? It depends if we are veing hurt because of our faith or by sharing a Gospel we dont have to because God is our protection
Jude 14-16
King James Version
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
What about the verse "Thou shalt not kill".
its actually murder, not kill
@I’LL TALK ABOUT IT...! i think its common sense to understand that its wrong to kill someone that has done no wrong...? You don't need Jesus to tell you that..its wrong to do that aye? Cuz thats literally murder. Kill is simply ending a life...but if it means ending a person whose life has been filled with killing other people....that may just be the right thing to do? Aye? Im pretty sure Christ and his Apostles would understand that
@I’LL TALK ABOUT IT...! bruh Jesus literally tells us to sell our cloak and buy a dagger/sword, im pretty sure the bible says its okay to kill in self defense..was King David a sinner because he led a brutal military campaign against the Amalekites? Was Joshua a sinner because he led the siege on Jericho which led to many of Israel's enemies getting killed? Is Judah the Macabite a sinner cuz he led a rebellion against the Hellenist forces? So many people in the Bible killed in self defense and they were rewarded for their acts of bravery. Are soldiers sinners? They kill enemies! Are police officers who shoot armed gunmen sinners? The list goes on and on. Listen buddy, if you are a pacifist that refuses to raise a finger even when you see your wife or daughter get raped right in front of you just say it we are all cool with that. The only thing id hope is you are not in charge of the ministry of defence lmao
Why does the Bible act like no body can do anything by themself
Aw we are just door mats so we can lead them to Christ and many angels are entertained by it.
Too many "I think" and not what the plain words of Christ declare!
"38 "You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39 But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
40 And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.
41 If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles".
everyone Christian has a right to life. to defend their lives for that sake.
What about "do not repay evil for evil but evil for good" and "bless those who persecute your and give to those who take from you. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two." And "vengeance is mine says the Lord"???
@@jesusislord229 And when he (Moses) saw one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged his quarrel that had the harm done to him, and smote the Egyptian.
@@jesusislord229 Mercy is for after the incident is over. You cannot repay evil ANYTHING until the evil is done with.
Some evils never stop themselves, and must be stopped by force, which is why God allows guards, military, police etc. As well as in His own Law, the right to end life if necessary.
You're adding on rules which don't exist, and fir what reason?
@@jesusislord229 Self-defense isn't vengeance.
@@jesusislord229 that's where your wrong you think defending yourself is somehow evil it's not Romans 13 gives authority to kill people who are unjust doers who are breaking the law
You put biblical in the title and started your last two statements with “I think”
It teaches be slow to anger. Jesus specifically used the cheek. We only have 2 so after that it's game one. We shouldn't be quick to violence
What
happened in the Old Testament when Almighty God Himself ordered and
watched over His nation Israel, and when He commanded wicked nations to
be totally destroyed for their corruption and evils ways, has nothing
to do with our Christian era.
Almighty God is calling out for the future rulership of the world a
body of "Kings and priests" who are to rule the nations of the world
with Christ for 1,000 years.
And our commanding officer, the Lord Christ, has instructed that
we do not harm other humans in this present "Dispensation of Grace".
But are to control our corrupted human nature and submit to his
commands and those of his personally ordained Apostles. For this is a
life of probation to see if we are fit and aspire to be faithfully
obedient, and so be granted an entrance into Christ's coming Kingdom.
And how did having their swords in the garden with them work out... 🤦🏼♂️
Im having trouble with this. If someone breaks in to my home to kill my family or if someone starts attacking me am i supposed to let them? What did Jesus mean when he was dieng on the cross and told them to buy swords? I am confused and i know confusion doesn't come from the Lord. I understand that it is wrong to watch this filth on tv and love violence. I understand to love our enemies but love them enough to kill me or a family member? If i was sitting in Church and someone came in there shooting are we supposed to let them shoot us or get away? I need help on this matter
@@jacobortwine7063 Hey Jacob, I saw your comment so I just thought I'd try to help on the matter. In Matthew 5:38,39 Jesus teaches "Do not resist the one who is evil". Now in the context of this verse Jesus is addressing an Old Testament (OT) law about retaliation, which basically was anything someone does to you, you can do to them (Exodus 21:22-25). I personally believe that Jesus is teaching us not to seek retaliation or to seek vengeance, but to forgive the other person when they insult you or harm you. Now the law that Jesus is addressing is referring to acts like a single punch in anger or something similar, not full blow fights or a person breaking into your home to murder you. In fact, when people were seeking to murder Jesus, He fled by disappearing into the crowd (because it wasn't his time to die yet), Paul, when he discovered that people were after his life, fled from the city that he preaching at in Acts 9:23-25. Also Paul harshly rebuked the Jews when they unjustly struck him in Acts 23 and sought to defend himself legally against injustice when he appealed to Cesar in Acts 25. These are all acts of self defense or resistance, maybe not through physical means, but still. In Romans 13:1-7, Paul teaches that the government is a servant of God and an avenger to punish wrongdoers and that they do "not bear the sword in vain" in verse 4 showing that the government is meant to protect people. While we are not under the OT law anymore because of Christ, Exodus 22:2-3 is an example of God showing us that self defense is acceptable, and concerning the example of the nation of Israel in the OT, the nation held a standing army and it was acceptable to defend themselves from invaders. Now concerning the swords that Jesus mentions in Luke 22:38,39, I do believe that Jesus needed the swords to be present so that the prophecy about him being "numbered with the transgressors." would be fulfilled and isn't addressing the topic of self defense. But as the video above mentions, the fact that the apostles already owned the swords maybe something to take note of. The Bible speaks in large amounts that we are never to take it upon ourselves to seek out personal vengeance, but rather wait for God to avenge us, but never speaks directly against protecting yourself. The closest verse that I know of that can be viewed as such is Matthew 5:38,39, and its concerning an OT law about personal vengeance, which leads me to believe that self defense is acceptable. These are just my thoughts on the matter though, and verses that I know that deal with this subject. Personally I would encourage to simply read your Bible and pray to God about this subject . Fast and seek Him in prayer and I'm sure God will help you in the matter, and whatever conclusion you make, be sure to that it is Biblical accurate.
purpleecho1
In his teachings, the Lord is emphasizing how it is for believers to live in humbleness and meekness. That is another case for being attacked, and defend one’s self against an attacker. Common sense, skills and ability are the issues not forgiveness.
BeyondReady7
I believe, you are misusing the text for the argument of self-defense. Luke 22:36-38 doesn’t suggest or instruct believers to kill in self-defense. The context is about the disciples’ ability to provide for their own need of the preaching materials as scripts (from the Lord’s teachings and commandments) as they go out to proclaim the gospel. They don’t have Bibles at that time yet. They only have the Lord’s words in memory. And as the word “script” suggests, if you do not have the available notes to preach then go and ask your fellow disciple to share it with you. That is the context of what buying the sword means. The Lord sternly warned his disciples, as he sent them out to preach the gospel; he told them “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves”(Matthew 10:16). And with that said, arming them with swords to defend themselves doesn’t justify the sense of his words.
Isaiah 53:12 is a prophesy about the Lord being reckoned by the authority in his time as a criminal, hence a capital punishment of death by crucifixion was ordered and given to him. It’s not a reference giving his disciples and followers the authority to bear swords.
Self-defense in the Bible is fulfilled only when one is doing and following God’s precepts and commandments. And it is more likely accomplished with common sense and wisdom. As the Lord said-“if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.” Securing the locks of your gate and doors, or closing and locking your windows, or fencing your house against intruders are some of the common ways and means of self-defense. But above all, trusting God is the most important, for as the Bible says *”When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him”* (Proverbs 26:7).
Solarbanz Z
Yes, you are partly correct. But meekness doesn’t always mean submission. Even though meekness always conveys humbleness, defending one’s self only needs common sense. When you are being attacked and you feel your life is in danger, submission is no point. If you know how to defend yourself, you can as well saved others lives even more.
If Jesus didn't really mean turn the other cheek, then why did he say it?
I think you are sorely misrepresenting Jesus by trying to make it sound like he REALLY said something entirely different.
Don't get me wrong; I am very, very pro-2A myself. But not because of the Bible.
Bro i just realized that Christianity, and overall religion, is the same as self improvement
the diff is that christianity says you can't improve yourself on your own. the core tenet is that we need to let God in to help with that
If Jesus resisted those who crucified him, would we be saved? He has been sent as an example for us, so that we may follow him. He teaches absolute pacifism, does he not?
You do know Jesus is God in the flesh, he’s a God of WAR and LOVE. My God isn’t passive at all. Compassionate and long suffering yes but never passive.
But only God the Father is the Judge, who, at the time only He knows, will pass His Judgment, because He and He alone has Perfect Righteousness. Therefore, we must not pass judgment on His behalf, for man is wicked, and does not know Perfect Justice. He did not use powers of war through His Son, but the Power to Heal, and to forgive and not to condemn. Therefore, we must follow His example of His Son, who was made flesh, as we are flesh, and leave the Justice of God, Who is Our Heavenly Father, to God, Who is Our Father.
@@MichaelSmith-mr5dh that was a great response brother, but to call your king passive I don’t agree with! He said he’s a God that changes not!
The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son, so that all people will honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
John 5:22-23 HCSB
bible.com/bible/72/jhn.5.22-23.HCSB
@@JontheBerean the son does that which the father does though.