The caravan people have been there that long they've "forgotten" it's in their landregistry deeds. --- 13.4.3 to carry out such works at its own expense as may be necessary to realign the public footpath numbered 81 between points D and E on the plan annexed to a Diversion Order dated 1 October 1981 (a copy of which is annexed hereto) if so required by the relevant local authority such realignment to be on the Retained Land and further that if at any future time the Transferee requests in writing that the said footpath between the points E and B on the said Diversion Order plan be diverted then the transferors and their successors in title shall use all reasonable endeavours to support any application made by the Transferee to the local authority for the diversion of the said footpath so that it runs from point E in a straight line to the rear of the Property (the transferee being responsible for the cost of laying any new Title number DY315393 6 of 7 Schedule of restrictive covenants continued footpath to the rear of point E) and the provisions of clause 13.4.2 relating to the registration of a restriction shall also apply to a transfer or the grant of such a lease of any land within title number DY315393 adjoining the boundary between the said points D and E to the rear of the latter --- I'll email you.
A little more relevant info "Countryside Act 2000, s.53A provides a ‘cut off’ date of 1 January 2026 for applications based solely on historic evidence: after that date, no claim can be made solely on the basis of documentary evidence dating from prior to 1 January 1949"
@@AceAudits Contact the councils PROW officer, or failing that the ramblers association. There's a whole thing about "use it or lose it" when it comes to public footpaths, I think the date for recording and using them has been extended. They'll care much more than any planning person and be able to decipher the legalities of the register and any rerouting.
they have a lot more clout than oprdinary joe public..... remember when madonna though she could close off a public right of way... she could not do what she thought she could when the ramblers got involved.
The guy clearly doesn't know what public footpath means. There doesn't need to be a path you can physically recognise. It just needs to be a right of way. I'll definitely be contacting the council about this to add weight to the numbers.
Hi, I had an identical issue in Worcestershire. The county council sent out a "rights of way officer" who approached a similar adjacent land owner. The adjacent land owner was hostile to the ROW officer. The ROW officer returned the next day with a cordless disc cutter and re-opened the ROW to the public.
Local council must deal with this. Great vid. The company may not be aware but do need to address the issue. Credit to them at the moment, let us see what they do to be fair.
The thing that the guy couldn't get his head round was about the ownership of the land not changing. Ownership doesn't change anything. Nor does it mean anything. All public rights of way are on private property.
@@garymills7494 Nope. They are still private property. And the landowner has the legal obligation to maintain the right of way and keep it open and accessible.
I remember a lot of things happening in the late 60s like this when i was a kid and know one did anything about it, i remember a small slip road to some shops having a six foot fence put across to block it off because a bloke didn't like the road going past his property and its still like it today because nobody questioned it at the time.
I have lived here 33 years and it was a footpath/right of access untill glossop Caravans built their building, we used to play in the concrete pipes lining the path and get upto allsorts when i was a kid, you could walk straight though.
As a footpath auditor myself, the County Council map is the definitive map that Ordnance Survey take their data from. Public rights of way need to be preserved for generations to come. Nice audit, thanks for sharing.
I would love to hear how this project turns out and would like to see more of the same! I bet there are hundreds of paths blocked off all I've the country.
very interesting . i have a historical footpath blocked near me . the new landowner is a right stinker and the locals really dislike him. caught me trespassing ,but i can charm the birds out the trees and he offered my a job as security to keep out trespassers .
@@mickmcloughlin5816 constant trespasser who takes only photos and leaves only footprints . I certainly had no interest in working security for the clown .
Great content! I used to be a Lake District Warden and we did an audit on all the blocked footpaths there. Amazing how some landowners 'forgot' that the footpath existed. This, especially when they had put up notices to the contrary. It seems that you've found a niche audit experience!
This appears to be a regular problem. I used to walk my dogs along an ancient ridgeway, which was suddenly blocked off by a local landowner some 20 years ago. The fingerpost disappeared and old barbed wire, machinery was dumped in the entrance from the lane. Not wanting to risk injury to my dogs, I walked them through to gated farmyard, whereupon I was challenged by to owner. I advised him that I would continue to use his yard as an access to the ridgeway until the proper access was made safe. He then made a fuss over my dogs being off lead. This was despite them being trained gundogs, behaving perfectly in the presence of his livestock. Since that time I have noticed several attempts to close local footpaths.
Anyone found deliberately causing an obstruction without authorisation can be prosecuted. Simple as that. It seems they have simply absorbed the footpath into their property without checking? Interested to see a follow up! Great stuff.
A very interesting video. I await the outcome of this with interest. Anyone who blocks off a public right of way anywhere in the UK without following the due legal process can be prosecuted & fined.
Yes it's good that you enquired about that pathway! And it also begs the question as to how many other paths or access points are closed for "no apparent reason"!!
this wont cost the council a penny, it will be upto glossip caravans tio put the path back as it should be.... the ywont like it but tough, they know they nicked the path.. and will not like a path right next to their caravan place due to pikeys ha ha serves them right.. and they need to know the path must be open 24 hours a day..
My late Mother used to belong to the local 'Ramblers Association' and this was a common thing they often encountered on walks. Primarily it was farmers putting barbed wire and posts to block footpaths or removing a hedgerow with a parallel footpath to make 2 fields into 1 big field but the footpath now ran thru the middle of the 1 big one. House owners were also complicit in extending gardens to incorporate part of a woodland or a river at the end of their garden and blocking off either side. My mum used to say that all the people who came out aggressively new they were at fault and had been found out, whereas the ones who said they didn't know their was a footpath possibly didn't or had forgotten what their solicitor had found out during 'searches' prior to completion of sale. A property (semi detached) I purchased recently had no fence at the rear dividing the properties, but it was quite clear from the rear bed window that the neighbour had encroached 1 mtr over the boundary line. He claimed it had been that way for the last 40 yrs but after showing him the 'Land Registry Deeds', + a large scale O/S plan he reluctantly moved his greenhouse back to where it should have been in the first place. People will try it on to see if they can get away with it.
Would be good if you went to the bridal path and seen if the path was accesable from that end. You could even follow it if possible, see if their are any signs, see where it ends and if its blocked by their fence at the rear.
I'm a hiker and this is a regular area that I visit. So I'll therefore be supporting you in this campaign and contacting the relevant authority. Did you have a look from the other end of the missing footpath Ace?
His business got permission to realign the footpath in 1981 with the clause that any new path must meet up with the two points outside their boundaries. They have obviously ignored the order.
So... I have contacted the local Ramblers, Peak & Northern Footpath Association, High Peak Borough Council, and Derbyshire County Council I will also be contacting Glossop Caravans for what it's worth, to encourage them to restore the footpath as defined in the property register. How are you all getting on? The more people doing this will increase the probability of this getting sorted :)
Excellent audit! Well done. I wonder how many examples exist of what seems to be "theft by stealth" of public land. I read a number of the comments that suggest the firms just ignored their obligation to reroute the footpath. I hope this is resolved quickly and to the public benefit. Keep us all updated.
When I was a child, a number of pupils were late for school because someone blocked the right of way with a barbed wire fence. The headmaster took a saw and cut it down himself, with us all looking on. It was a quick and easy solution and never happened again.
A lot of things like this happened back in the 60s and 70s, i remember as a kid of a slip road to some shops was blocked off by someone who didn't like the road going past his property so he put a six foot fence right across the road and claimed a piece of that road as his property and no one did anything about it and its still there to this day.
Well done for highlighting thisAce. Clearly this guy knows nothing about the footpath, but he shouldn’t really be saying that the council information is wrong. Hope the council can investigate and even re-establish the public footpath. Please keep us updated with any news 👍🏼
Now ... I know that Google Maps and Street View are quite badly broken so it's no wonder that when you go to drop the lilittle orange figure on the road just the other side of that gate ... you can't drop it there as though it is a private road ... BUT ... if you drop it outside of the gate, you can see the gate then if you click on the road THROUGH the gate, it takes you through but if you then spin the viewpoint round 180 degrees ... NO GATE AT ALL !!! and BOTH pictures have 2023 watermarked on to them. Do the Ramblers Association know about this cos they go about hiking in groups using footpaths specifically to stop scumbag landowners blocking them off.
If you can do that it means the photo past the gate is from older images. Google Earth historical images should show when the change to access was made.
There is a road that's been blocked off called Hauge road that starts from the end of melandra road past glossop tip and comes out at gorsey brow in broadbottom,it would be a great route for walkers,cyclist,and horse riders. But the people that live along it don't like peasants going past there big houses and like to come out and tell you so . Think that would worth taking a look at .
Fantastic work you are doing. Keep up the good work. I like this sort of audit. See if you can find other closed public rights of wsy that have been stolen.
Ace, suspect Council Planning oversight in developing the housing estate on the east half of the footpath. The Public Footpath Glossop FP 81 was along the drive when the property was Travis Perkins and no apparent footpath signage back to 2009 street view. Glossop Caravan staff may not have been aware or long since forgot if the signage was missing - but - likely been in documents when purchasing Travis Perkins lot. Suspect at some point in the past Travis Perkins (or Council) removed the signage to secure their rear yard. Also the Council and Footpath maps show the footpath leading to a park to the east before the housing estate was constructed. Appears Council never revised the route of Glossop FP 81 or posted new signage. Need to check the housing estate plate planning application (early 2000s ???) for any revisions or closure to Glossop FP 81. When Travis Perkins owned the property, if fencing was added the footpath should have been addressed in any planning applications. Glossop FP 81 route: Public Footpath 81 went from Wooley Bridge Road along Travis Perkins drive and across the yard behind the building. Path entered the trees and connected to the cycling trail NCN 62. Path continued through the woods and beside 22 Wharncliffe Close in the housing estate. On Wharncliffe Close the asphalt public footpath is clearly visible and maintained 2009 and 2023 street view but there is No public footpath signage and appears on the Derbyshire Council definitive map as a gray walk between homes. The Council definitive map still shows the purple dash footpath south of 23 Wharncliffe crossing several gardens to the park to the east. Could also check if Council intended to reroute the west half of Glossop FP 81 from NCN 62 to the street behind the terrace cottages to the south of Glossop Caravan/Travis Perkins. No street view available. Regardless, definitive map needs updated.
He's adamant theres no problem, but there is a problem now that he has been informed, therefore he should investigate now that the issue has been highlighted, not keep brushing it off.
Great work here Ace i think he has an idea of what you are saying he has a gulp of guilt just after the 5 minute mark,He knows more than he's letting on blaming everybody but himself,will be interesting to see the outcome
Hi there i was just looking at your video and i noticed that when you looked through the green gates on the bottom left hand side you can see Double yellow lines which extend about 25 meters to where the other companies gates were, as can clearly be seen on google maps this might mean 25 meters of Highway may have been fenced off as well ??? good luck on your Endeavours keep up the good work.
The guy seemed to be pretty okay about the whole thing. Fair enough he didn't want to be on RUclips and I think an audit would probably produce some adverse reaction. But still, I think he was alright. Good luck sorting it out :)
Council rights of way officer will have something to say on the matter if brought to their attention. Check out the council definitive map for more info.
Great video again, the reaction was better than I thought usually its arrogance and anger, I think he was expecting this, lts hard to think this was an "error" or mistake
The company is not allowed to block a right of access point even if the footpath runs through private land. On private land, the footpath is maintained by the land owner who must make the path accessible and unobstructed at all times. The land buyers are made aware of this when purchasing the property.
Great video Ace. I notice travis Perkins was on the site before the caravan centre, according to google earth history the service centre was bulit between 2000 and 2003. But i did notice the manager take a glup when you asked him why the foot-path was blocked. Have you any updates on this matter. The new gates where put up after T.P was closed. ☘
Just a thought on this, but have you tried to access the footpath from the opposite end where it connects to the BridleWay? It would be interestingly see how far you can walk down it until you reach some obstruction or barrier. Fantastic discovery regarding the lack of access to the public, hope you can keep us updated on this.
So the company is willing to wait to get a legal enforcement notice from the council rather than be proactive and fix the issue themselves. So instead of getting praise for acting properly, they project a negative light about how they handle everything. How will they fix faulty caravans?
this company already have a shit name for selling caravans that are complete rubbish, the ysell old damp rubbish and pretend its a one owner or carefully looked after etc.. if someone phones up about one and arranges a preview they quickly wash them.. look at the state of the roofs on all their vans....... anyone who wants a van this place is to be avoided big time.
Glossop caravans is 2 miles from me, my son worked there but unfortunately passed away, his job was fitting carpets in the caravans, the boss Nick is a very good boss that couldnt do enough for his staff, my son thought highly of him, to be fair those caravans you see in the video are not for sale, thats the service area where they're refurbished before they go on sale at the main forecourt which is half a mile down the road, everything is ripped out to a shell before all new is refitted internally, they do have a small selection of old caravans for sale that arent refurbed, that are bought as seen but most are refurbed, this company is the largest caravan company in UK and been open since 1976, it's a family business, his father owned it before Nick, I'm not one to comment on these auditing videos but felt I had to on this occasion, Nick is a kind fair boss with a very successful company, I think you're comment it unfair to the company, as a quick Google search for reviews will tell you most customers are happy with the caravans/motor homes they've purchased and have 4.1 on trust pilot, I've never met the owner of Glossop caravans I just know what my sons opinion of him was and how much he loved working there
It is a footpath, I was born and bread in the house next door to the site in 1966, used that path everyday, it was formally known as Lee Street which was demolished in the early 70s it is a public right of way which can never be taken away, they are trying to steal land that guy is a bear faced liar and if you like I will meet you there, I saw them build Travis perking, the council used the plot for storage after the demolishing of Lee Street, prior to selling it to Travis perking with the agreement that right of way will never be denied that was in the contract 👍
I seem to remember a story about someone who built a house that covered a public footpath. They were given two choices. They would have to allow people to walk through their property or pull it down.
As a member of the public using a public right of way, if the right of way is obstructed, you are entitled to cross adjacent landowners property to continue on your way. I.e. you are entitled to abate any obstruction , climbing over obstacles is an activity within your rights. Be aware that you MUST NOT go prepared with any tools that you would not normally carry as part of your trade or business. I recommend taking a council ROW officer with you - they carry disc cutters and bolt croppers as tools of their trade. If the applicable council will not support you, you can involve legal support. I know as I have done this... Good luck. Oh, using the adjacent landowners property to abate an obstruction usually brings the right result - they will not want you crossing their land on a regular basis, as the police do not have any right to remove members of the public using said land to abate an obstruction. The county council are responsible for maintaining said ROWs. Town councils will not act for you.
So, an obstructed path is one where something is lying (or has been placed) across the path which physically prevents you from using that part of the path. It is a criminal offence, under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980, to obstruct the whole or part of the width of a public path . This should be reported to both the police and local authority and needs to be opened. Full stop.
I was amused how 35 years was considered a long time. The start would be a copy of the land reg document which, if the path is recorded would suggest "porky pies"
A footpath is a public right note right it is your right to walk along it regardless of time these paths have been there for hundreds of years they allow free access along land so prevent you walking on privet land.
Bit late to the party here but, I would have thought that Caravanning and Rambling are quite closely linked and would therefore think that someone who sells caravans would have some empathy regarding public right of way, not necessarily from a personal point of view, but it makes good business sense now that the cat is out of the bag.
It looks like someone blocked it off along time ago. Its a shame. I don't know what will happen. The council will probably side with the landlord. But its public land that has been stolen along time ago. Were losing all are open spaces and if you found that public footpath how many others have been acquired by businesses building fence to prevent access to them good 1 ace🎉
its not that long ago. look how new the green fence is. the path should be down the side of that building.. its one of those quick put you up buildings..... its why the shingle is down to hide the path.... when they bough the old wood yard thats when the new fence went up. 2 different pieces of land put as one...
Wow! Looks like you could've stirred up a hornets nest with this one! I shall follow with interest. it would be good to see along the bridleway and the other end of path 81 if anybody gets the chance.
Accessed google street view today 31st October 2023 On google street view only some of the footage is updated - this is due to the gate/fence being erected after 2016. The reason I say this you go where Ace starts her video and the fence is their data taken 2023. You click to follow the line and it changes to 2016 - Travis Perkins in operation as cement mixers outside for hire etc and no fence. Also look at the colour difference darker green not he newer fence. Then man is lieing saying it has always been like that when it clearly hasn't and is freely viewable to all the world on Google Street View
How old is the map,? as that path has been built over by a housing estate on the other side of the bridleway which was the old railway with a footbridge (no longer needed)
Great start to your investigation. The caravan man wasn’t to proactive, me thinks he will have to stump up some money to reinstate the footpath stolen from the public. Question: is there a statute of limitations regarding ownership of the land the footpath should be on?
No statute. Will change ownership I should think without a application to change ownership. At which point the caravan business owner would have stated this. Its a bit like the council don't need to declare a footpath as their own at anytime and no-one can then just declare it as their own just because no-one used it
The caravan people have been there that long they've "forgotten" it's in their landregistry deeds.
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13.4.3 to carry out such works at its own expense as may be necessary
to realign the public footpath numbered 81 between points D and E on
the plan annexed to a Diversion Order dated 1 October 1981 (a copy of
which is annexed hereto) if so required by the relevant local authority
such realignment to be on the Retained Land and further that if at any
future time the Transferee requests in writing that the said footpath
between the points E and B on the said Diversion Order plan be diverted
then the transferors and their successors in title shall use all
reasonable endeavours to support any application made by the Transferee
to the local authority for the diversion of the said footpath so that
it runs from point E in a straight line to the rear of the Property
(the transferee being responsible for the cost of laying any new
Title number DY315393
6 of
7
Schedule of restrictive covenants continued
footpath to the rear of point E) and the provisions of clause 13.4.2
relating to the registration of a restriction shall also apply to a
transfer or the grant of such a lease of any land within title number
DY315393 adjoining the boundary between the said points D and E to the
rear of the latter
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I'll email you.
Oh wow, that's amazing info. Yes please do email it over ❤️
I've pinned this as people may wish to use it in their enquiries 😊
Wow! That's brilliant!
A little more relevant info "Countryside Act 2000, s.53A provides a ‘cut off’ date of 1 January 2026 for applications based solely on historic evidence: after that date, no claim can be made solely on the basis of documentary evidence dating from prior to 1 January 1949"
@@AceAudits Contact the councils PROW officer, or failing that the ramblers association. There's a whole thing about "use it or lose it" when it comes to public footpaths, I think the date for recording and using them has been extended. They'll care much more than any planning person and be able to decipher the legalities of the register and any rerouting.
The Ramblers' Association is quite robust in maintaining rights to use footpaths.
Absolutely. My guess is this one got overlooked and forgotton about over the years. Not any more lol
they have a lot more clout than oprdinary joe public..... remember when madonna though she could close off a public right of way... she could not do what she thought she could when the ramblers got involved.
The guy clearly doesn't know what public footpath means. There doesn't need to be a path you can physically recognise. It just needs to be a right of way. I'll definitely be contacting the council about this to add weight to the numbers.
Hi, I had an identical issue in Worcestershire. The county council sent out a "rights of way officer" who approached a similar adjacent land owner. The adjacent land owner was hostile to the ROW officer. The ROW officer returned the next day with a cordless disc cutter and re-opened the ROW to the public.
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😂😂😂😂 good for him.
Local council must deal with this. Great vid. The company may not be aware but do need to address the issue. Credit to them at the moment, let us see what they do to be fair.
Hi, you need to use the highway authority, usually the county council...
The thing that the guy couldn't get his head round was about the ownership of the land not changing. Ownership doesn't change anything. Nor does it mean anything. All public rights of way are on private property.
Correction: PROW are public property. The adjacent landowners do not own the PROW, thank you.
@@garymills7494 Nope. They are still private property. And the landowner has the legal obligation to maintain the right of way and keep it open and accessible.
Over 60 years ago, was stole by the businesses previously.
Need to get path 81 reopened. Have a ribbon and you cut it to open the redeemed land. :)
I remember a lot of things happening in the late 60s like this when i was a kid and know one did anything about it, i remember a small slip road to some shops having a six foot fence put across to block it off because a bloke didn't like the road going past his property and its still like it today because nobody questioned it at the time.
I have lived here 33 years and it was a footpath/right of access untill glossop Caravans built their building, we used to play in the concrete pipes lining the path and get upto allsorts when i was a kid, you could walk straight though.
As a footpath auditor myself, the County Council map is the definitive map that Ordnance Survey take their data from. Public rights of way need to be preserved for generations to come. Nice audit, thanks for sharing.
I would love to hear how this project turns out and would like to see more of the same! I bet there are hundreds of paths blocked off all I've the country.
very interesting . i have a historical footpath blocked near me . the new landowner is a right stinker and the locals really dislike him. caught me trespassing ,but i can charm the birds out the trees and he offered my a job as security to keep out trespassers .
@@EvenBigger-Brotherpoacher turned game keeper 😂
@@mickmcloughlin5816 constant trespasser who takes only photos and leaves only footprints . I certainly had no interest in working security for the clown .
dingle in the making 🤣🤣🤣@@mickmcloughlin5816
Not been a foot path for 35 years...so that makes it right 😂
Great content! I used to be a Lake District Warden and we did an audit on all the blocked footpaths there. Amazing how some landowners 'forgot' that the footpath existed. This, especially when they had put up notices to the contrary.
It seems that you've found a niche audit experience!
This appears to be a regular problem. I used to walk my dogs along an ancient ridgeway, which was suddenly blocked off by a local landowner some 20 years ago. The fingerpost disappeared and old barbed wire, machinery was dumped in the entrance from the lane. Not wanting to risk injury to my dogs, I walked them through to gated farmyard, whereupon I was challenged by to owner. I advised him that I would continue to use his yard as an access to the ridgeway until the proper access was made safe. He then made a fuss over my dogs being off lead. This was despite them being trained gundogs, behaving perfectly in the presence of his livestock.
Since that time I have noticed several attempts to close local footpaths.
This has happened to me a few times. It’s infuriating 🤦🏻♀️
Both High Peak and Derbyshire will have Rights of Way officers.
Report it to them.
Anyone found deliberately causing an obstruction without authorisation can be prosecuted. Simple as that. It seems they have simply absorbed the footpath into their property without checking? Interested to see a follow up! Great stuff.
A very interesting video. I await the outcome of this with interest. Anyone who blocks off a public right of way anywhere in the UK without following the due legal process can be prosecuted & fined.
I presume you meant lawful process!
Yes it's good that you enquired about that pathway! And it also begs the question as to how many other paths or access points are closed for "no apparent reason"!!
Yes definitely! And thankyou!!
Very interesting that his position is everyone is wrong . definitely need a follow up video on this 1
That's a MAHOOSIVE FINE I've worked with tge forestry commission
Could see him grimacing inside at the thought of the cost of all that fence work! lol...
I wonder if he knew, but was feigning ignorance...
@@albin2232 of course he knows, he also knows the ydone a illegal landgrab.. the bullshit about it beinga private road as well.
yeah if he's been there 35yrs he knows the secret of the mystery bonus land@@albin2232
I thought that as well 😂
Excellent Ace. Very good work 100%.
The council should have an access officer , who job it is to ensure these are kept clear .
Good video. this is happening all over the country, and lots being neglected because the council does not want to spend money on keeping it open.
this wont cost the council a penny, it will be upto glossip caravans tio put the path back as it should be.... the ywont like it but tough, they know they nicked the path.. and will not like a path right next to their caravan place due to pikeys ha ha serves them right.. and they need to know the path must be open 24 hours a day..
Ramblers need to make a complaint to relevant authorities ASAP
My late Mother used to belong to the local 'Ramblers Association' and this was a common thing they often encountered on walks. Primarily it was farmers putting barbed wire and posts to block footpaths or removing a hedgerow with a parallel footpath to make 2 fields into 1 big field but the footpath now ran thru the middle of the 1 big one. House owners were also complicit in extending gardens to incorporate part of a woodland or a river at the end of their garden and blocking off either side. My mum used to say that all the people who came out aggressively new they were at fault and had been found out, whereas the ones who said they didn't know their was a footpath possibly didn't or had forgotten what their solicitor had found out during 'searches' prior to completion of sale.
A property (semi detached) I purchased recently had no fence at the rear dividing the properties, but it was quite clear from the rear bed window that the neighbour had encroached 1 mtr over the boundary line. He claimed it had been that way for the last 40 yrs but after showing him the 'Land Registry Deeds', + a large scale O/S plan he reluctantly moved his greenhouse back to where it should have been in the first place. People will try it on to see if they can get away with it.
"Nobody has walked along that public footpath in the 35 years since it was blocked off".......
Your local authority should be made aware and they will sort it.
Local public servants not authority as they have none
@@112boatman Ah, ok, the person to seek out is the rights of way officer.
Would be good if you went to the bridal path and seen if the path was accesable from that end. You could even follow it if possible, see if their are any signs, see where it ends and if its blocked by their fence at the rear.
I was hoping to see this from the drone footage as well
Interesting video 👍 please keep us all updated on this. I hope the company ends up removing the gates, making it a right of way again.
Thanks, Steve.
I'm a hiker and this is a regular area that I visit. So I'll therefore be supporting you in this campaign and contacting the relevant authority. Did you have a look from the other end of the missing footpath Ace?
Yes, it's blocked off.
His business got permission to realign the footpath in 1981 with the clause that any new path must meet up with the two points outside their boundaries. They have obviously ignored the order.
So... I have contacted the local Ramblers, Peak & Northern Footpath Association, High Peak Borough Council, and Derbyshire County Council
I will also be contacting Glossop Caravans for what it's worth, to encourage them to restore the footpath as defined in the property register.
How are you all getting on? The more people doing this will increase the probability of this getting sorted :)
Excellent audit! Well done. I wonder how many examples exist of what seems to be "theft by stealth" of public land. I read a number of the comments that suggest the firms just ignored their obligation to reroute the footpath.
I hope this is resolved quickly and to the public benefit.
Keep us all updated.
Well done for bringing this tp peoples attention, please keep us informed on your progress. Best of luck .
I have left a Google review for this company.
"Lack of respect for members of the public, especially walkers"
He's devoed because he's now going to have to shift all those empty tin cans off that land that he knows doesn't belong to him .... Well done !
He doesn't what every Tom Dick and Harry walking down his yard or not. His yard 😂😂😂.
Good video upload enjoyed watching it 👍
When I was a child, a number of pupils were late for school because someone blocked the right of way with a barbed wire fence. The headmaster took a saw and cut it down himself, with us all looking on. It was a quick and easy solution and never happened again.
A Footpath Audit. Interesting to see, public rights of way should never be obstructed unless it’s an emergency. Good one
It was an interesting find, and I enjoyed playing detective lol. I just posted the follow-up today 😁
It appears to myself to be a public footway with steps along the way 🤷🏼 it’s deffo there 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Quality approach ACE 🎉🎉🎉
Marvellous 🤩
A lot of things like this happened back in the 60s and 70s, i remember as a kid of a slip road to some shops was blocked off by someone who didn't like the road going past his property so he put a six foot fence right across the road and claimed a piece of that road as his property and no one did anything about it and its still there to this day.
Well done for highlighting thisAce. Clearly this guy knows nothing about the footpath, but he shouldn’t really be saying that the council information is wrong. Hope the council can investigate and even re-establish the public footpath. Please keep us updated with any news 👍🏼
Now ... I know that Google Maps and Street View are quite badly broken so it's no wonder that when you go to drop the lilittle orange figure on the road just the other side of that gate ... you can't drop it there as though it is a private road ... BUT ... if you drop it outside of the gate, you can see the gate then if you click on the road THROUGH the gate, it takes you through but if you then spin the viewpoint round 180 degrees ... NO GATE AT ALL !!! and BOTH pictures have 2023 watermarked on to them. Do the Ramblers Association know about this cos they go about hiking in groups using footpaths specifically to stop scumbag landowners blocking them off.
If you can do that it means the photo past the gate is from older images.
Google Earth historical images should show when the change to access was made.
The photo past the gate is from 2016 as when the car came in 2023 it could no longer get access. @@Mr-J...
It's not active because it's fenced off !!!. It is a public right of way and on an OS map. Great work, ACE 👏. Extremely good audits. 👍.
About the best audit i have ever watched ... thank you ... please keep us updated
There is a road that's been blocked off called Hauge road that starts from the end of melandra road past glossop tip and comes out at gorsey brow in broadbottom,it would be a great route for walkers,cyclist,and horse riders. But the people that live along it don't like peasants going past there big houses and like to come out and tell you so . Think that would worth taking a look at .
Checking the map that route is a designated footpath (footpath 101), perhaps a mass hike down it could be arranged?
well well done you so many public foot path closed by land owner this is the best audit I has seen well done
Fantastic work you are doing. Keep up the good work. I like this sort of audit. See if you can find other closed public rights of wsy that have been stolen.
Ace, suspect Council Planning oversight in developing the housing estate on the east half of the footpath.
The Public Footpath Glossop FP 81 was along the drive when the property was Travis Perkins and no apparent footpath signage back to 2009 street view. Glossop Caravan staff may not have been aware or long since forgot if the signage was missing - but - likely been in documents when purchasing Travis Perkins lot. Suspect at some point in the past Travis Perkins (or Council) removed the signage to secure their rear yard.
Also the Council and Footpath maps show the footpath leading to a park to the east before the housing estate was constructed. Appears Council never revised the route of Glossop FP 81 or posted new signage. Need to check the housing estate plate planning application (early 2000s ???) for any revisions or closure to Glossop FP 81. When Travis Perkins owned the property, if fencing was added the footpath should have been addressed in any planning applications.
Glossop FP 81 route:
Public Footpath 81 went from Wooley Bridge Road along Travis Perkins drive and across the yard behind the building.
Path entered the trees and connected to the cycling trail NCN 62.
Path continued through the woods and beside 22 Wharncliffe Close in the housing estate.
On Wharncliffe Close the asphalt public footpath is clearly visible and maintained 2009 and 2023 street view but there is No public footpath signage and appears on the Derbyshire Council definitive map as a gray walk between homes.
The Council definitive map still shows the purple dash footpath south of 23 Wharncliffe crossing several gardens to the park to the east.
Could also check if Council intended to reroute the west half of Glossop FP 81 from NCN 62 to the street behind the terrace cottages to the south of Glossop Caravan/Travis Perkins. No street view available. Regardless, definitive map needs updated.
He's adamant theres no problem, but there is a problem now that he has been informed, therefore he should investigate now that the issue has been highlighted, not keep brushing it off.
Good job putting the straight 😎👍🇬🇧
Great work here Ace i think he has an idea of what you are saying he has a gulp of guilt just after the 5 minute mark,He knows more than he's letting on blaming everybody but himself,will be interesting to see the outcome
The look on his face when i told him I'm a RUclipsr 😂
@@AceAudits yes agreed I think there'll be a lot of head scratching going on after this
Hi there i was just looking at your video and i noticed that when you looked through the green gates on the bottom left hand side you can see Double yellow lines which extend about 25 meters to where the other companies gates were, as can clearly be seen on google maps this might mean 25 meters of Highway may have been fenced off as well ??? good luck on your Endeavours keep up the good work.
Loving your audits❤
Tameside Ramblers have made me aware of this organisation, which I have added to the video description: www.peakandnorthern.org.uk/report.php
You get things done Fast…no MESSING ABOUT…😂
The guy seemed to be pretty okay about the whole thing. Fair enough he didn't want to be on RUclips and I think an audit would probably produce some adverse reaction. But still, I think he was alright. Good luck sorting it out :)
Council rights of way officer will have something to say on the matter if brought to their attention. Check out the council definitive map for more info.
Great video again, the reaction was better than I thought usually its arrogance and anger, I think he was expecting this, lts hard to think this was an "error" or mistake
Fascinating video. Thank you.
The company is not allowed to block a right of access point even if the footpath runs through private land. On private land, the footpath is maintained by the land owner who must make the path accessible and unobstructed at all times. The land buyers are made aware of this when purchasing the property.
Would have been interesting to see the other end of 81 at the bridleway, good vid tho 👍🏻
Another fascinating video. Well done
Great video Ace. I notice travis Perkins was on the site before the caravan centre, according to google earth history the service centre was bulit between 2000 and 2003. But i did notice the manager take a glup when you asked him why the foot-path was blocked. Have you any updates on this matter. The new gates where put up after T.P was closed. ☘
Thanks. Yes, I posted a follow up video ☺️
Just a thought on this, but have you tried to access the footpath from the opposite end where it connects to the BridleWay? It would be interestingly see how far you can walk down it until you reach some obstruction or barrier. Fantastic discovery regarding the lack of access to the public, hope you can keep us updated on this.
It's blocked
He acted like he couldnt give a dam
He should of offered you back to his office to check this out and also offered to open the gates for you
So the company is willing to wait to get a legal enforcement notice from the council rather than be proactive and fix the issue themselves. So instead of getting praise for acting properly, they project a negative light about how they handle everything. How will they fix faulty caravans?
this company already have a shit name for selling caravans that are complete rubbish, the ysell old damp rubbish and pretend its a one owner or carefully looked after etc.. if someone phones up about one and arranges a preview they quickly wash them.. look at the state of the roofs on all their vans....... anyone who wants a van this place is to be avoided big time.
They can’t be that bad as there’s a lot of stock there.
Glossop caravans is 2 miles from me, my son worked there but unfortunately passed away, his job was fitting carpets in the caravans, the boss Nick is a very good boss that couldnt do enough for his staff, my son thought highly of him, to be fair those caravans you see in the video are not for sale, thats the service area where they're refurbished before they go on sale at the main forecourt which is half a mile down the road, everything is ripped out to a shell before all new is refitted internally, they do have a small selection of old caravans for sale that arent refurbed, that are bought as seen but most are refurbed, this company is the largest caravan company in UK and been open since 1976, it's a family business, his father owned it before Nick, I'm not one to comment on these auditing videos but felt I had to on this occasion, Nick is a kind fair boss with a very successful company, I think you're comment it unfair to the company, as a quick Google search for reviews will tell you most customers are happy with the caravans/motor homes they've purchased and have 4.1 on trust pilot, I've never met the owner of Glossop caravans I just know what my sons opinion of him was and how much he loved working there
It is a footpath, I was born and bread in the house next door to the site in 1966, used that path everyday, it was formally known as Lee Street which was demolished in the early 70s it is a public right of way which can never be taken away, they are trying to steal land that guy is a bear faced liar and if you like I will meet you there, I saw them build Travis perking, the council used the plot for storage after the demolishing of Lee Street, prior to selling it to Travis perking with the agreement that right of way will never be denied that was in the contract 👍
Another brilliant video. Thank you for sharing. I live in A u L👍
I seem to remember a story about someone who built a house that covered a public footpath. They were given two choices. They would have to allow people to walk through their property or pull it down.
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@@AceAudits Oh, and added to the fact that the property was built without proper planning permission.
I lived around there going back to when it was Midco and don’t ever remember a footpath.
He’s just not getting it is he.
Let’s get this footpath back!!
Imagine how long that footpath has been there so you had better open it back up.
Thanks. Excellent as always 👍
Thank you so much ❤️
@@DavidMiller-pt5suOh no another troll. She didn't ask for money did she? If people want to give, that's up to them.
David miller the troll is no longer going to be commenting on my channel 😉
@@AceAudits He is on a lot of channels, I assume he has only just found your channel. Good decision, get rid.
@@stuartb4525 yeah doesn't surprise me lol. Clearly he hasn't seen my moderation policy in the channel description 😂
Very interesting! If you do follow this up please update us!
You got a story there.
As a member of the public using a public right of way, if the right of way is obstructed, you are entitled to cross adjacent landowners property to continue on your way.
I.e. you are entitled to abate any obstruction , climbing over obstacles is an activity within your rights.
Be aware that you MUST NOT go prepared with any tools that you would not normally carry as part of your trade or business.
I recommend taking a council ROW officer with you - they carry disc cutters and bolt croppers as tools of their trade.
If the applicable council will not support you, you can involve legal support.
I know as I have done this...
Good luck.
Oh, using the adjacent landowners property to abate an obstruction usually brings the right result - they will not want you crossing their land on a regular basis, as the police do not have any right to remove members of the public using said land to abate an obstruction.
The county council are responsible for maintaining said ROWs. Town councils will not act for you.
So, an obstructed path is one where something is lying (or has been placed) across the path which physically prevents you from using that part of the path. It is a criminal offence, under section 137 of the Highways Act 1980, to obstruct the whole or part of the width of a public path . This should be reported to both the police and local authority and needs to be opened. Full stop.
I was amused how 35 years was considered a long time. The start would be a copy of the land reg document which, if the path is recorded would suggest "porky pies"
Looking forward to a follow-up.
This is a difficult case due to the amount of time passed.
It will also depend on what the land registry have on this.
Very interested. Keep us posted
A footpath is a public right note right it is your right to walk along it regardless of time these paths have been there for hundreds of years they allow free access along land so prevent you walking on privet land.
I live in Australia but my parents were from Chesterfield moving to Australia in the 1950’s.
go girl, keep us updated please
Glossop caravans are heading for a huge fine.
Bit late to the party here but, I would have thought that Caravanning and Rambling are quite closely linked and would therefore think that someone who sells caravans would have some empathy regarding public right of way, not necessarily from a personal point of view, but it makes good business sense now that the cat is out of the bag.
The local council will have a rights of way officer. In my experience,if you can get hold of them, they are very good at sorting things like this.
Just contact your local authority.
It was never accessible when it was Travis Perkins who used it as a bulk storage yard. I am going back 20 or so years.
Good for you, to hell with these land grabbers
It looks like someone blocked it off along time ago. Its a shame. I don't know what will happen. The council will probably side with the landlord. But its public land that has been stolen along time ago. Were losing all are open spaces and if you found that public footpath how many others have been acquired by businesses building fence to prevent access to them good 1 ace🎉
its not that long ago. look how new the green fence is. the path should be down the side of that building.. its one of those quick put you up buildings..... its why the shingle is down to hide the path.... when they bough the old wood yard thats when the new fence went up. 2 different pieces of land put as one...
I support your design to get that footpath reopened even though i am from new zealand
Yup, my local branch of Travis also did this approx. 15years ago
Look forward to any progress
Wow! Looks like you could've stirred up a hornets nest with this one! I shall follow with interest. it would be good to see along the bridleway and the other end of path 81 if anybody gets the chance.
Accessed google street view today 31st October 2023
On google street view only some of the footage is updated - this is due to the gate/fence being erected after 2016. The reason I say this you go where Ace starts her video and the fence is their data taken 2023. You click to follow the line and it changes to 2016 - Travis Perkins in operation as cement mixers outside for hire etc and no fence. Also look at the colour difference darker green not he newer fence. Then man is lieing saying it has always been like that when it clearly hasn't and is freely viewable to all the world on Google Street View
Land registry will confirm it!
I drive past here a few times a week, will plough through that fence next time
How old is the map,? as that path has been built over by a housing estate on the other side of the bridleway which was the old railway with a footbridge (no longer needed)
Great start to your investigation. The caravan man wasn’t to proactive, me thinks he will have to stump up some money to reinstate the footpath stolen from the public. Question: is there a statute of limitations regarding ownership of the land the footpath should be on?
No statute. Will change ownership I should think without a application to change ownership. At which point the caravan business owner would have stated this. Its a bit like the council don't need to declare a footpath as their own at anytime and no-one can then just declare it as their own just because no-one used it
Thanks for sharing ❤❤❤
That’s what I like to see you get THINGS DONE.you walk the walk..go girl 😊😊😊