My own personal favorite example of foreshadowing in all of Trek is from "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," as Kirk and crew [filmed in 1966] hear the radio broadcast that states that the first manned moon shot happened in the late 1960s [actually happened 1969--after the series was canceled]. PERFECT!!!!
I also think that was really cool, and I suspect they may have had some insider information regarding the projected date of the moon landing. It's a shame the moonlanding didn't happen six months earlier, as the interest in space travel that it generated may have saved Star Trek from cancellation, and most likely led to it becoming so popular in reruns.
Useless bit of information: Kirk and Spock visited NYC twice in the twentieth century: early 30's in City On The Edge Of Forever and in 1968 -- Assignment: Earth. They're almost New Yorkers now.
“City on the edge of Forever” is no doubt in the top 10 best Star Trek tos episodes. However, my parents (who both grew up during the depression) pointed out one mistake. In the soup kitchen cafeteria just before Edith Keeler speaks there are sugar dispensers on the table. My parents explained that soup kitchens didn’t do that for fear the sugar would be stolen. The sugar was at the counter of the food line and you were permitted NO MORE than 2 teaspoons in your coffee.
After Saavik's "Kobayashi Maru" test, Kirk asks Spock, "Aren't you dead?" -- by the end of the film, Spock IS dead. Well, his BODY is dead, but his 'katra' lives on in McCoy's mind. Spock survives his 'performance' death in the KM test, just as he eventually survives his body's death by having his katra united with his regenerated body.
In reality, this had little to do with foreshadowing. A script had leaked which revealed the death of Spock as a plot point in the film. The "Aren't you dead?" line was intended to suggest to the audience that the press had gotten the death of Spock story wrong and put it out of their collective minds to "save" the surprise.
@@markallen2984 Are you sure this was added in later? It wasn't in the trailers for the film, where one might expect them to have it, if the goal is to forestall audiences fretting about Spock's death. The line fits in with the mock-seriousness of the scene, where the entire Bridge crew had to pretend to die for Saavik's benefit in her Kobayashi Maru test -- with Kirk and McCoy bantering: "Well? What did you think of my performance?" -- "I'm not a drama critic..." LOL The next scene -- with Kirk's "Aren't you dead?" line -- ties in to the end of the film, where Kirk recites the line "It was the best of times" (etc.), referencing what Spock had been trying to tell him on his birthday . . . having given him that book right after the KM test scene. I think that "Aren't you dead?" line was in there from the beginning, Nicholas Meyer knowing how to tell a great story. If Meyer himself has ever said anything to the contrary, in support of your assertion, I'd have to see it to be convinced.
Star Trek was always able to forshadow better most. For me growing up on TNG & DS9 my personal favorite was DS9. The way the show runner and writes could go back to seasons 1&2 and use stories to for shadow so much after they when full serialized
Awesome, thank you! I love foreshadowing, especially when it's cleverly done. This video, being the first I published, was meant to foreshadow the type of content my channel would feature. Glad you enjoyed it!
@@MetaTrek Back when I was a literature instructor, I could never find a decent piece of SHORT literature demonstrating both items, so I wrote one. It turned out to be one of my most popular narrative poems.
Now a narrative poem is something that I most definitely would have the time to read, and I'd be very interested in seeing how that type of foreshadowing would play out . . .
Yes, there was more at the end, just over another minute! I had to remove an opening segment due to a copyright restriction. Not sure how the end got cut, but I will repost it as a part 2. Thanks for letting me know!
@@MetaTrek 😅😂🤣😄 Nope. It's not a real issue. I was an English professor when I was taking lessons for playing the double bass in our local symphony. I was pretty good, but she was super advanced. She used the word "erudite" in conversation with me once, and I'd never heard the word before. So I told her I didn't know that word, and she was flabbergasted. She figured that I would surely know it since I'm "an English professor." But, sadly, I don't know every word in the unabridged English dictionary. It happens to us all. What is awesome is that you did look it up, and for that, once again, you get full points. BTW, I did look up "erudite," and I can honestly say that I am all the more erudite as a result. 😉 Your voice makes you sound like a somewhat younger fellow, but your content suggests that you might be a bit older. Are you also "a child of the 60s"???
Wow, a professor and a member of the symphony! Sounds like you'd been erudite for awhile without knowing it, I say with a touch of irony. With all these points I'm getting, I'm thinking that I would have liked being a student of yours. Btw, I used to pretend to play the electric bass in a band or two back in the late '80s/early'90s. You still playing bass? To quote Maxwell Smart, "Missed it by that much." I was born in July of 1970. The bi-centenial looms large in my childhood memories. But what looms largest of all (except for family members) is Star Trek. I was exposed to it at a very early age, perhaps I was even pre-verbal. SO that puts me at pushing 52. Hope that doesn't bar me from the group!
@@MetaTrek When I played in the symphony I was living in a little mountain town called Prince George, Canada. I eventually made 1st chair in 2008 or so, but I moved to Nanaimo, Canada in 2012. I played bass in church for a while but I have lost interest in the instrument. Up in P. G., I was the best in town, but in Nanaimo, I'm average, and there just are no positions in an orchestra for me. I love classical and jazz, but I'm the 5th wheel, so I've pretty much hung it up. I was born in '62, so you're old enough to be cool enough for "the group."
You raise an interesting point, and one that I will actually address in an upcoming video. Even though Chekov was not yet on the show during the first season, was he a member of the crew? Khan would say that he was, and there's a second season episode that also suggests he was . . .
Really enjoy you vid. We like to read into movies and tv and i wonder how much of that is that is planned. George Lucas has stated recently that Star Was was an allegory of Vietnam. If you watch early interviews he was just hoping to finish his movie and maybe someone would see it. We can read anything into a movie we want. Thats what made movies tv ect important. Thoughts?
Glad you enjoyed it! I believe that films are filled with latent meaning, which can change over time, and from different perspectives. Whatever meaning you find in a film is valid, at least for you, and that’s all that really matters. Thanks for the comment!
That Hitchcock clip is not him describing foreshadowing. That's actually dramatic irony because the audience knows something the characters do not and that's what creates suspense.
My own personal favorite example of foreshadowing in all of Trek is from "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," as Kirk and crew [filmed in 1966] hear the radio broadcast that states that the first manned moon shot happened in the late 1960s [actually happened 1969--after the series was canceled]. PERFECT!!!!
I also think that was really cool, and I suspect they may have had some insider information regarding the projected date of the moon landing. It's a shame the moonlanding didn't happen six months earlier, as the interest in space travel that it generated may have saved Star Trek from cancellation, and most likely led to it becoming so popular in reruns.
Useless bit of information: Kirk and Spock visited NYC twice in the twentieth century: early 30's in City On The Edge Of Forever and in 1968 -- Assignment: Earth. They're almost New Yorkers now.
“City on the edge of Forever” is no doubt in the top 10 best Star Trek tos episodes. However, my parents (who both grew up during the depression) pointed out one mistake. In the soup kitchen cafeteria just before Edith Keeler speaks there are sugar dispensers on the table. My parents explained that soup kitchens didn’t do that for fear the sugar would be stolen. The sugar was at the counter of the food line and you were permitted NO MORE than 2 teaspoons in your coffee.
That's an interesting bit of trivia, thanks for posting!
@@MetaTrek Yw
I understand that, my Grandparents told the same story about sugar (and many other things) rationing during WWII.
You are an excellent analysts please continue this podcast
Thanks, will do!
After Saavik's "Kobayashi Maru" test, Kirk asks Spock, "Aren't you dead?" -- by the end of the film, Spock IS dead. Well, his BODY is dead, but his 'katra' lives on in McCoy's mind. Spock survives his 'performance' death in the KM test, just as he eventually survives his body's death by having his katra united with his regenerated body.
In reality, this had little to do with foreshadowing. A script had leaked which revealed the death of Spock as a plot point in the film. The "Aren't you dead?" line was intended to suggest to the audience that the press had gotten the death of Spock story wrong and put it out of their collective minds to "save" the surprise.
@@markallen2984 Are you sure this was added in later? It wasn't in the trailers for the film, where one might expect them to have it, if the goal is to forestall audiences fretting about Spock's death. The line fits in with the mock-seriousness of the scene, where the entire Bridge crew had to pretend to die for Saavik's benefit in her Kobayashi Maru test -- with Kirk and McCoy bantering: "Well? What did you think of my performance?" -- "I'm not a drama critic..." LOL The next scene -- with Kirk's "Aren't you dead?" line -- ties in to the end of the film, where Kirk recites the line "It was the best of times" (etc.), referencing what Spock had been trying to tell him on his birthday . . . having given him that book right after the KM test scene. I think that "Aren't you dead?" line was in there from the beginning, Nicholas Meyer knowing how to tell a great story. If Meyer himself has ever said anything to the contrary, in support of your assertion, I'd have to see it to be convinced.
I am so happy you’re starting with TOS first and not jumping around! I look forward to watching you progress with the channel…👍
TOS is definitely my niche!
Star Trek was always able to forshadow better most. For me growing up on TNG & DS9 my personal favorite was DS9. The way the show runner and writes could go back to seasons 1&2 and use stories to for shadow so much after they when full serialized
Some great examples here.
I really like the "original broadcast" filter you use on the footage, very nostalgic! 😁👍
Awesome, thank you! I love foreshadowing, especially when it's cleverly done. This video, being the first I published, was meant to foreshadow the type of content my channel would feature. Glad you enjoyed it!
That was Lurch as the giant in the cage.He was not named.
I did not know that! Thank you for posting!
Oftentimes, a flashback scene can also be used as foreshadowing.
I love the dichotomy of that statement. It's also a great piece of narrative insight!
@@MetaTrek Back when I was a literature instructor, I could never find a decent piece of SHORT literature demonstrating both items, so I wrote one. It turned out to be one of my most popular narrative poems.
Now a narrative poem is something that I most definitely would have the time to read, and I'd be very interested in seeing how that type of foreshadowing would play out . . .
@@MetaTrek I can send you a copy of my first book of poetry. Do you have a mailing address that you can send or something?
Thank you for the offer! I will email that to you right now . . .
What happens at the end? Twelve minutes focused on Pike's thoughts ... ? Is there a part 2?
Yes, there was more at the end, just over another minute! I had to remove an opening segment due to a copyright restriction. Not sure how the end got cut, but I will repost it as a part 2. Thanks for letting me know!
@@MetaTrek
This was my question, and now I know what to look for. Just found you today, but I'm going to be watching more.
@@SailorBarsoom Thank you for your comment. I am re-posting the ending as part of a new video that I have added to. Should be up in a few days!
@@MetaTrek
Looking forward to it.
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Great video
You use the word "obtuse" a couple of times, but I think you mean to use the word "obscure" instead. You might want to look up those two words.
So, if I understand the meaning of obtuse correctly now, then I can say that it was pretty obtuse of me to use obtuse instead of obscure.
@@MetaTrek 😅😂🤣😄
Nope. It's not a real issue. I was an English professor when I was taking lessons for playing the double bass in our local symphony. I was pretty good, but she was super advanced. She used the word "erudite" in conversation with me once, and I'd never heard the word before. So I told her I didn't know that word, and she was flabbergasted. She figured that I would surely know it since I'm "an English professor." But, sadly, I don't know every word in the unabridged English dictionary. It happens to us all.
What is awesome is that you did look it up, and for that, once again, you get full points.
BTW, I did look up "erudite," and I can honestly say that I am all the more erudite as a result. 😉
Your voice makes you sound like a somewhat younger fellow, but your content suggests that you might be a bit older. Are you also "a child of the 60s"???
Wow, a professor and a member of the symphony! Sounds like you'd been erudite for awhile without knowing it, I say with a touch of irony. With all these points I'm getting, I'm thinking that I would have liked being a student of yours. Btw, I used to pretend to play the electric bass in a band or two back in the late '80s/early'90s. You still playing bass?
To quote Maxwell Smart, "Missed it by that much." I was born in July of 1970. The bi-centenial looms large in my childhood memories. But what looms largest of all (except for family members) is Star Trek. I was exposed to it at a very early age, perhaps I was even pre-verbal. SO that puts me at pushing 52. Hope that doesn't bar me from the group!
@@MetaTrek When I played in the symphony I was living in a little mountain town called Prince George, Canada. I eventually made 1st chair in 2008 or so, but I moved to Nanaimo, Canada in 2012. I played bass in church for a while but I have lost interest in the instrument. Up in P. G., I was the best in town, but in Nanaimo, I'm average, and there just are no positions in an orchestra for me. I love classical and jazz, but I'm the 5th wheel, so I've pretty much hung it up.
I was born in '62, so you're old enough to be cool enough for "the group."
Is it possibly to refer to "Shore Leave" as "Sulu's Gun"? I only ask because Chekov was not a character yet
You raise an interesting point, and one that I will actually address in an upcoming video. Even though Chekov was not yet on the show during the first season, was he a member of the crew? Khan would say that he was, and there's a second season episode that also suggests he was . . .
@@MetaTrek Can't wait! I've also wondered about that...
I would have had to save Edith, I have no choice ethically
Mirror Universe Spock: "Jim, Edith Keeler must live!"
@@MetaTrek stroking his goatee 🪐
Really enjoy you vid.
We like to read into movies and tv and i wonder how much of that is that is planned.
George Lucas has stated recently that Star Was was an allegory of Vietnam. If you watch early interviews he was just hoping to finish his movie and maybe someone would see it.
We can read anything into a movie we want. Thats what made movies tv ect important.
Thoughts?
Glad you enjoyed it! I believe that films are filled with latent meaning, which can change over time, and from different perspectives. Whatever meaning you find in a film is valid, at least for you, and that’s all that really matters. Thanks for the comment!
cool
Great job I know what that is now thanks!
Thank you, I’m glad that the video has done someone some good!
@@MetaTrek YOU RESPONDED MY HERO!!!!!!
That Hitchcock clip is not him describing foreshadowing. That's actually dramatic irony because the audience knows something the characters do not and that's what creates suspense.