Xon did appear, albeit in non-canon form. The fan film series "Star Trek: New Voyages" added Lt. Xon as a protege of Mr. Spock several episodes in. Also Roddenberry was obsessed with sex, which was his primary motivation for Ilia's backstory.
Having two Vulcans, Xon and Spock, together in "New Voyages" was interesting. I believe that Xon also shows up in a comic book or two. Thanks for the comment!
@@MetaTrek Yes, Xon was seen as Saavik's betrothed in an early DC Comic leading up to the ST III adaptation - and more recently a story in IDW's "Waypoint". When the Paramount/"It's a Wrap!" auctions were happening, signage from ST II's office sets, adjacent to the bridge simulator room, had a directional sign for Xon's office!
@@andorianlad Do you happen to have the name of the DC Comic mentioned above? I'd love to read it! I didn't know about it until now. Also, is that sign for Xon's office visible in the movie? Either way, that's a pretty darn cool bit of trivia! Thanks for sharing it. If you've got any more interesting tid-bits, please post some more of them!
@@MetaTrek #7 Aug 1984 "Pon Farr" Saavik enters pon farr. She tells Kirk and McCoy how she met Spock and about her bonding with Xon. Kirk directs the Enterprise to Vulcan. On arrival, Saavik learns that Xon is on a secret mission. She obtains information of his whereabouts and takes a ship to the rim of the galaxy, with the Enterprise close behind. Stardate 8180.1 and #8 Nov 1984 "Blood Fever" Saavik finds Xon, who is masquerading as a Romulan to learn the secrets of a bioengineering technique which threatens the Federation. The Romulans discover Xon's treachery and begin interrogating him. The Enterprise finds Saavik and frees Xon, then lures the Romulans into the energy barrier at the galaxy's rim. Stardate 8185.35 The Xon's office signage is apparently visible in the movie but not legible (until the auction site published the photo so people could read it).
Love hearing Goldsmith's original version of the TMP! Familiar and different at the same time. For all the criticism TMP gets, it was clearly the template for TNG in so many ways
The connection between Phase II and TNG seems to mostly revolve around the new characters. The connection between TMP and TNG, which I plan to cover someday, has more to do with how TNG looks; the sets, the costumes, and so on. Thanks for commenting!
@@MetaTrek I look forward to that. I understand that the TMP sets were altered to make the TNG sets and that some of that made it into Voyager. They’re supposedly the longest standing sets in Film/TV history.
@@joemedley195 Joe, you're absolutely right. It's ironic that sets originally constructed for a tv show that was cancelled before it even began would go on to be the longest standing sets in history!
Xon was intended as a replacement for Spock primarily because Leonard Nimoy showed no initial interest in returning for Phase II Nimoy had grown tired of dealing with nerds swooning over him, and subsequently being typecast as Spock and wanted to distance himself from Star Trek. He famously entitled his first autobiography "I'm not Spock" But was eventually persuaded by his cast mates to return and subsequently his attitude towards his portrayal of the character and towards the fans changed for the better. It's rather amusing that his 2nd autobiography was titled "I am Spock" But it was also revealed decades later that Nimoy had been at the forefront of a lawsuit against Paramount/CBS on behalf of the Star Trek cast over unpaid royalties and was wanting it settled before agreeing to return to the show. Once an arrangement had been made Nimoy returned to the cast. The character of Xon was scrapped for TMP once Nimoy agreed to return, but the producers and director liked the actor so much that they gave the actor a cameo as the Station commander at the beginning so that he would at least have some screen time.
They created Sonak and killed him off instead of Xon in case they went to series after the movie premiered, so they could leave the door open to include Xon.
In TMP Decker gets the shaft twice. Demoted to commander/ science officer. Once Spock arrives, he's just commander. Hell he started as the new Captain. Maybe during the phase 2 project , he replaced Kirk as captain, and Kirk was just waiting for the later refit to come along. Then in steps Vger. Kirk's shoe in the door.
How did I not see this two years ago?! You just earned a subscriber! I wonder if Xon would have been as cringey as Sybok? If given enough time would Xon have achieved humanity? Keeping emotion just out of reach was easy to switch off at any time for an android when the plot requires but impossible for a Vulcan.
FYI: David Gerrold has said it was his idea that first officers lead the away missions and wrote it into the Star Trek: The Next Generation Writers'/Directors' Guide which Gerrold called the Star Trek bible. This was first written in 86 way after the motion picture.
As far as I know, everything you mention is correct. However, Gerrold was talking about the first officer/away mission issue much earlier. I remember him discussing it in his 1973 book, "The World of Star Trek," which was influential during the development of Phase II. Thanks for posting!
"The Questor Tapes" casino scene compared to "The Hotel Royal" was incredible. I thought I read somewhere that the changes from Ilia to Troy were made because the studio didn't want to limit casting to only women who would shave their head.
Nice work! It already seemed clear to me that the early Data stuff was digging into "The Questor Tapes". David Gerrold's novelization of "Encounter at Farpoint" postulates a background for Data originating on Kiron III and having been created by unknown aliens. Had Gerrold stuck around longer, we may have seen that origin further developed instead of what developed into "Datalore". The Trek novel "Immortal Coil" also brings in some aspects of "The Questor Tapes". At the time of TNG's pre-production, then-named Captain Julian Picard was supposedly named for a French Piccard who had explored early inventions in flight. Ballooning, IIRC. Also, I recall the criticism of captains on "landing parties" was from David Gerrold (the chapter "Whither Star Trek?" in his book, "World of Star Trek"). Gerrold was not involved in "Phase II" at all. When he was brought into pre-production on TNG, he brought his solution with him: that the First Officer lead "away missions". Shatner was very hesitant to commit to "Phase II" beyond 13 episodes. He was going to be studying the ratings very closely while awaiting a major movie role. I love that Andrew J Robinson (Garak) and Tim Thomerson (Jay Allen in the 1990 TV series pilot of "The Flash") auditioned for Willard Decker but the role was still unfilled when "Phase II" morphed into TMP. I love that TMP's alien ensign (Billy Van Zandt as a Rhaandarite) has yellow eyes. Ultimately, that was the colour also chosen for Brent Spiner's Data contact lenses. By the way, Xon ended up morphing into a male "Dr Savik" in one of the proposals for a potential TMP sequel (movie or telemovie), who morphed into the female "Lieutenant Saavik" for "The Wrath of Khan", who of course morphed into Valeris for ST VI. TMP's field jackets, at the end of that movie, definitely owe something to the field jackets used in "The Cage".
Ah! Piccard the aviator was Swiss with a French name. Auguste Antoine Piccard (28 January 1884 - 24 March 1962) was a physicist, inventor and explorer, known for his record-breaking helium-filled balloon flights, with which he studied the Earth's upper atmosphere. His sibling was Jean Felix Piccard.
Great comments, a lot of good information here! While yes, Gerrold was not involved with Phase II, his book did influence the development of the series. Having Decker lead the landing parties was an example of that. The field jackets is a good point of similarity between TMP and "The Cage," and here's another one; the cool, metallic look of the TMP bridge, which always reminded me of the bridge in "The Cage." I also liked the yellow eye comparison, which I hadn't considered until you pointed it out. Thanks for posting!
While I did know that Picard was "supposedly" named after Antoine Piccard, it would be the wildest of coincidences that Picard just happens to mean "Pike" without being in some way relevant. Thanks again for posting.
@@andorianlad Given its meaning, Kirk was an interesting choice of name from one such as Roddenberry, wouldn't you say? Roddenberry also claimed that Christine Chapel was a play on the Sistine Chapel, of which he felt Majel Barrett's beauty rivaled. Overall, it seems that Roddenberry put considerable thought into character names, and he had a good grasp on their meanings. This conclusion is, of course, based on a much broader examination of character names in TOS and beyond.
I would like to put in another possible source for Data: Bishop from _Aliens._ Considering Tasha Yar was originally going to be a Latina name “Machia Hernandez” because Roddenberry had really taken to Jeanette Goldstein (who’d actually appear in the first TNG film) as Vasquez before realizing he was being too on the nose and made her Eastern European, the idea of a soft-spoken science officer android who desired more Humanlike stature and was bound by Asimov’s Three Laws much like how Data was a realization of Asimov’s positronic matrix (Asimov was also a consultant on TMP). Interestingly, _Alien 3_ sorta returned the favor with the idea of the same actor playing the creator in whom the Android is made in the image. But that could just be a coincidence.
I believe another commenter also felt that Bishop might have been a inspiration for Data. There could very well be something to it. Thanks for posting!
It would have been awesome to have gotten a Trek series with a 70's flare to it. Was hoping that was what Tarantino would have brought to the Trek movie he was going to direct, but it looks like that probably won't happen either. Who knows what the future will bring, but I predict we're going to see a lot of things we never thought we would. Thanks for the kind words!
@@MetaTrek I've been intrigued with this concept since I first read about it in the book by Judith and Garfield Reese-Stevens. But then we wouldn't have got the movies and Trek would be in a very different form by today! 🤔
That is an excellent book, but I don't agree with their assessment that Phase II would have been short lived and would have killed Star Trek. Trek would be very different today, but maybe it would stayed fixed in the 23rd century with any additional spin-off series featuring original series actors. I'd trade all Trek that came after for more with the original cast. Yes, had Phase II gone to series we may not have gotten movies, but on the other hand, the 12 hours of film we got over the same number of years we would have gotten in the first half of the first season of a tv series.
@@MetaTrek Maybe not 13-episodes short lived, but most sci fi series in the 1970s only got a season or two so the odds aren't good. I do like their speculation on how a reboot movie would have been cast though! 😂
True, though I'd like to think Trek would have done better than Galactica or Buck Rogers, two shows I loved when they aired. Guess we'll never know. Didn't Judith and Garfield Reese-Stevens also predict that Tarantino would direct a Trek reboot? If so, life almost imitated art!
I Chris ( dope smoking (( not really)) do the Trek. I have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER seen a star wars except on ( wait for it) the Family Guy. For better or better I am a Trekker.
Yes, I always felt that way, too. In fact, I was going to include in my graphic how Xon was represented in a way by Sonak AND Commander Branch, a character created to give David Gautreaux (Xon) a role in the movie. Thanks for posting!
... no, William T Riker is named for Kirk. William Shatner and James T Kirk gets you William T Riker. Jean Luc Picard was named after Jaques Piccard, a french frogman and explorer. Will Decker's name is NOT William. It's is Willard.
Why doe's the Golgafrinchan Captain in The Hitch-Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy call his first officer 'Number One,' his second officer 'Number Two,' and ' his third officer, 'Number Three?'
aww you cut that clip with Data and Spock comparing their respective trajectories short. "I have no regrets." "No regrets. That is a human phrase." "Yes. Fascinating..."
Really interesting video... So on your comparisons between Phase II and TNG characters, did you have sources for this? Or was this supposition? I see what you're saying: I'm just curious to know if you found this in a book or anything.
It's pretty well established from multiple sources. I recommend checking out "Star Trek Phase II: The Lost Series" by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens. It's a great book on the subject.
That was actually Commander Sonak, not Xon, but essentially a sacrificial replacement for him. They left Xon out completely in case they went to series after the movie, but that never happened.
It's in limbo right now. I've started it, and hope to finish it someday, but no plans to do so any time soon. I've since learned a valuable lesson--don't tease upcoming videos!
Hmm . . . I hadn't thought about it until now, but both Decker's ended their lives by joining with machines. I guess the old saying holds true; like father, like son.
Discover more content with a FREE 7-day trial on Patreon, go to: www.patreon.com/metatrek
Xon did appear, albeit in non-canon form. The fan film series "Star Trek: New Voyages" added Lt. Xon as a protege of Mr. Spock several episodes in.
Also Roddenberry was obsessed with sex, which was his primary motivation for Ilia's backstory.
Having two Vulcans, Xon and Spock, together in "New Voyages" was interesting. I believe that Xon also shows up in a comic book or two. Thanks for the comment!
@@MetaTrek Yes, Xon was seen as Saavik's betrothed in an early DC Comic leading up to the ST III adaptation - and more recently a story in IDW's "Waypoint".
When the Paramount/"It's a Wrap!" auctions were happening, signage from ST II's office sets, adjacent to the bridge simulator room, had a directional sign for Xon's office!
@@andorianlad Do you happen to have the name of the DC Comic mentioned above? I'd love to read it! I didn't know about it until now. Also, is that sign for Xon's office visible in the movie? Either way, that's a pretty darn cool bit of trivia! Thanks for sharing it. If you've got any more interesting tid-bits, please post some more of them!
@@MetaTrek #7 Aug 1984
"Pon Farr"
Saavik enters pon farr. She tells Kirk and McCoy how she met Spock and about her bonding with Xon. Kirk directs the Enterprise to Vulcan. On arrival, Saavik learns that Xon is on a secret mission. She obtains information of his whereabouts and takes a ship to the rim of the galaxy, with the Enterprise close behind. Stardate 8180.1
and
#8 Nov 1984
"Blood Fever"
Saavik finds Xon, who is masquerading as a Romulan to learn the secrets of a bioengineering technique which threatens the Federation. The Romulans discover Xon's treachery and begin interrogating him. The Enterprise finds Saavik and frees Xon, then lures the Romulans into the energy barrier at the galaxy's rim. Stardate 8185.35
The Xon's office signage is apparently visible in the movie but not legible (until the auction site published the photo so people could read it).
Love hearing Goldsmith's original version of the TMP! Familiar and different at the same time. For all the criticism TMP gets, it was clearly the template for TNG in so many ways
The final score seems more majestic, though I love them both. I plan to do a follow-up video on the subject of TMP/TNG.
I've always thought Jonathan Frakes resembled William Shatner. I wondered if he was William Shatner's son the first time I saw him on TNG.
I noticed years ago that Roddenberry recycled ideas between Phase II and TNG. I never realized the extent of them.
The connection between Phase II and TNG seems to mostly revolve around the new characters. The connection between TMP and TNG, which I plan to cover someday, has more to do with how TNG looks; the sets, the costumes, and so on. Thanks for commenting!
@@MetaTrek I look forward to that. I understand that the TMP sets were altered to make the TNG sets and that some of that made it into Voyager. They’re supposedly the longest standing sets in Film/TV history.
@@joemedley195 Joe, you're absolutely right. It's ironic that sets originally constructed for a tv show that was cancelled before it even began would go on to be the longest standing sets in history!
Xon was intended as a replacement for Spock primarily because Leonard Nimoy showed no initial interest in returning for Phase II
Nimoy had grown tired of dealing with nerds swooning over him, and subsequently being typecast as Spock and wanted to distance himself from Star Trek. He famously entitled his first autobiography "I'm not Spock"
But was eventually persuaded by his cast mates to return and subsequently his attitude towards his portrayal of the character and towards the fans changed for the better. It's rather amusing that his 2nd autobiography was titled "I am Spock"
But it was also revealed decades later that Nimoy had been at the forefront of a lawsuit against Paramount/CBS on behalf of the Star Trek cast over unpaid royalties and was wanting it settled before agreeing to return to the show. Once an arrangement had been made Nimoy returned to the cast.
The character of Xon was scrapped for TMP once Nimoy agreed to return, but the producers and director liked the actor so much that they gave the actor a cameo as the Station commander at the beginning so that he would at least have some screen time.
They created Sonak and killed him off instead of Xon in case they went to series after the movie premiered, so they could leave the door open to include Xon.
I think my mind just had a semi-nuclear meltdown with all the Ilia-Troi connections!! 🤯😱😏
I think I may have even left a couple out.
I am SO very glad that you brought in Questor Tapes for discussing Data. I have LONG since made the association. Bravo!
I knew there had to be others out there, like you, who've made the same associations. So may I say Bravo to you in return!
@@MetaTrek I am honoured.
In TMP Decker gets the shaft twice.
Demoted to commander/ science officer.
Once Spock arrives, he's just commander. Hell he started as the new Captain. Maybe during the phase 2 project , he replaced Kirk as captain, and Kirk was just waiting for the later refit to come along. Then in steps Vger. Kirk's shoe in the door.
Seems like it runs in the family.
How did I not see this two years ago?! You just earned a subscriber!
I wonder if Xon would have been as cringey as Sybok? If given enough time would Xon have achieved humanity? Keeping emotion just out of reach was easy to switch off at any time for an android when the plot requires but impossible for a Vulcan.
Welcome aboard!
FYI: David Gerrold has said it was his idea that first officers lead the away missions and wrote it into the Star Trek: The Next Generation Writers'/Directors' Guide which Gerrold called the Star Trek bible. This was first written in 86 way after the motion picture.
As far as I know, everything you mention is correct. However, Gerrold was talking about the first officer/away mission issue much earlier. I remember him discussing it in his 1973 book, "The World of Star Trek," which was influential during the development of Phase II. Thanks for posting!
@@MetaTrek oh okay that must have been what he was referring to, thanks for clearing that up.
Decker sure got dpuble- deckered .
"The Questor Tapes" casino scene compared to "The Hotel Royal" was incredible. I thought I read somewhere that the changes from Ilia to Troy were made because the studio didn't want to limit casting to only women who would shave their head.
James T. Kirk + Willard Decker = William T. Riker .
Nice work! It already seemed clear to me that the early Data stuff was digging into "The Questor Tapes". David Gerrold's novelization of "Encounter at Farpoint" postulates a background for Data originating on Kiron III and having been created by unknown aliens. Had Gerrold stuck around longer, we may have seen that origin further developed instead of what developed into "Datalore". The Trek novel "Immortal Coil" also brings in some aspects of "The Questor Tapes".
At the time of TNG's pre-production, then-named Captain Julian Picard was supposedly named for a French Piccard who had explored early inventions in flight. Ballooning, IIRC.
Also, I recall the criticism of captains on "landing parties" was from David Gerrold (the chapter "Whither Star Trek?" in his book, "World of Star Trek"). Gerrold was not involved in "Phase II" at all. When he was brought into pre-production on TNG, he brought his solution with him: that the First Officer lead "away missions".
Shatner was very hesitant to commit to "Phase II" beyond 13 episodes. He was going to be studying the ratings very closely while awaiting a major movie role. I love that Andrew J Robinson (Garak) and Tim Thomerson (Jay Allen in the 1990 TV series pilot of "The Flash") auditioned for Willard Decker but the role was still unfilled when "Phase II" morphed into TMP.
I love that TMP's alien ensign (Billy Van Zandt as a Rhaandarite) has yellow eyes. Ultimately, that was the colour also chosen for Brent Spiner's Data contact lenses.
By the way, Xon ended up morphing into a male "Dr Savik" in one of the proposals for a potential TMP sequel (movie or telemovie), who morphed into the female "Lieutenant Saavik" for "The Wrath of Khan", who of course morphed into Valeris for ST VI.
TMP's field jackets, at the end of that movie, definitely owe something to the field jackets used in "The Cage".
Ah! Piccard the aviator was Swiss with a French name. Auguste Antoine Piccard (28 January 1884 - 24 March 1962) was a physicist, inventor and explorer, known for his record-breaking helium-filled balloon flights, with which he studied the Earth's upper atmosphere. His sibling was Jean Felix Piccard.
Great comments, a lot of good information here! While yes, Gerrold was not involved with Phase II, his book did influence the development of the series. Having Decker lead the landing parties was an example of that. The field jackets is a good point of similarity between TMP and "The Cage," and here's another one; the cool, metallic look of the TMP bridge, which always reminded me of the bridge in "The Cage." I also liked the yellow eye comparison, which I hadn't considered until you pointed it out. Thanks for posting!
While I did know that Picard was "supposedly" named after Antoine Piccard, it would be the wildest of coincidences that Picard just happens to mean "Pike" without being in some way relevant. Thanks again for posting.
@@MetaTrek I was amazed when I learned that a "kirk" was a Scottish church. So the USS Enterprise had both a Kirk and a Chapel. ;)
@@andorianlad Given its meaning, Kirk was an interesting choice of name from one such as Roddenberry, wouldn't you say? Roddenberry also claimed that Christine Chapel was a play on the Sistine Chapel, of which he felt Majel Barrett's beauty rivaled. Overall, it seems that Roddenberry put considerable thought into character names, and he had a good grasp on their meanings. This conclusion is, of course, based on a much broader examination of character names in TOS and beyond.
I can see McCoy and Xon going head to head in one of McCoy's ongoing speeches .
Definitely would have been interesting to see how their relationship would have played out.
Great video! Unrelated, they brought Robert Foxworth to DS9 some years later as Admiral Leyton.
Fascinating.
Imagine if they had modeled TNG after Wrath of Khan?!
I would like to put in another possible source for Data: Bishop from _Aliens._ Considering Tasha Yar was originally going to be a Latina name “Machia Hernandez” because Roddenberry had really taken to Jeanette Goldstein (who’d actually appear in the first TNG film) as Vasquez before realizing he was being too on the nose and made her Eastern European, the idea of a soft-spoken science officer android who desired more Humanlike stature and was bound by Asimov’s Three Laws much like how Data was a realization of Asimov’s positronic matrix (Asimov was also a consultant on TMP). Interestingly, _Alien 3_ sorta returned the favor with the idea of the same actor playing the creator in whom the Android is made in the image. But that could just be a coincidence.
I believe another commenter also felt that Bishop might have been a inspiration for Data. There could very well be something to it. Thanks for posting!
I had been long wondering why he was arbitrarily from the class of ‘78.
Refering to the first officer as "number one" is actually a British naval tradition.
Interesting. Thanks for that bit of trivia. Cheers!
You can see one of the camera guys' reflection in the green crystal after data gave sela the vulcan nerve pinch !!
at 7:10..
The first time I noticed it, it actually startled me. I was like "What was that?"
@@MetaTrek I know right ? I was thinking to myself did I just see some dude in that green crystal ???
Ah the Trek that might have been! 😁
Your choice of clips which you use in your videos is excellent, very diverse but always to the point 👍
It would have been awesome to have gotten a Trek series with a 70's flare to it. Was hoping that was what Tarantino would have brought to the Trek movie he was going to direct, but it looks like that probably won't happen either. Who knows what the future will bring, but I predict we're going to see a lot of things we never thought we would. Thanks for the kind words!
@@MetaTrek I've been intrigued with this concept since I first read about it in the book by Judith and Garfield Reese-Stevens.
But then we wouldn't have got the movies and Trek would be in a very different form by today! 🤔
That is an excellent book, but I don't agree with their assessment that Phase II would have been short lived and would have killed Star Trek. Trek would be very different today, but maybe it would stayed fixed in the 23rd century with any additional spin-off series featuring original series actors. I'd trade all Trek that came after for more with the original cast. Yes, had Phase II gone to series we may not have gotten movies, but on the other hand, the 12 hours of film we got over the same number of years we would have gotten in the first half of the first season of a tv series.
@@MetaTrek Maybe not 13-episodes short lived, but most sci fi series in the 1970s only got a season or two so the odds aren't good.
I do like their speculation on how a reboot movie would have been cast though! 😂
True, though I'd like to think Trek would have done better than Galactica or Buck Rogers, two shows I loved when they aired. Guess we'll never know. Didn't Judith and Garfield Reese-Stevens also predict that Tarantino would direct a Trek reboot? If so, life almost imitated art!
This looks very interesting. Thank you.
I Chris ( dope smoking (( not really)) do the Trek. I have NEVER, NEVER, NEVER seen a star wars except on ( wait for it) the Family Guy. For better or better I am a Trekker.
Good stuff ! I can remember watching Genisis II on tv, never saw The Questor Tapes, must have been before Mike Farrell was on MASH .
Yes, Mike Farrell joined the cast of MASH the following year. Thanks for the comment!
That. Was. Amazing.
Thanks for commenting and for subscribing!
2:31 WILLARD Decker.
Executive Meddling Rehired the Old Cast basically buried the Intended New Cast.
Data was influenced by Isaac Asimov's robots. Specifically Andrew Martin from 'The Bicentennial Man,' and R. Daneel Olivaw from the Robot Novels.
I honestly thought Xon was represented in the motion picture with Lt. Cmdr. Sonak. Or at least sorta represented.
Yes, I always felt that way, too. In fact, I was going to include in my graphic how Xon was represented in a way by Sonak AND Commander Branch, a character created to give David Gautreaux (Xon) a role in the movie. Thanks for posting!
... no, William T Riker is named for Kirk.
William Shatner and James T Kirk gets you William T Riker.
Jean Luc Picard was named after Jaques Piccard, a french frogman and explorer.
Will Decker's name is NOT William. It's is Willard.
Good video.
Thanks!
Christopher PIKE + WILLARD
Decker = Jean- Luc PICARD .
Ilea seems to be a female
alien PIcard .
Wow, I hadn't thought of that! Don't give me ideas...
I think Ilia was the inspiration for Picard.
Why doe's the Golgafrinchan Captain in The Hitch-Hikers' Guide to the Galaxy call his first officer 'Number One,' his second officer 'Number Two,' and ' his third officer, 'Number Three?'
I'm sure his second officer is glad not to be called "Number Two!"
aww you cut that clip with Data and Spock comparing their respective trajectories short.
"I have no regrets."
"No regrets. That is a human phrase."
"Yes. Fascinating..."
The whole conversation was brilliant, but not all of it was relevant to the point I was making. Thanks for watching the video and commenting!
@@MetaTrek definitely true. This was a fascinating topic!
@@kadmii Glad you enjoyed it!
Really interesting video... So on your comparisons between Phase II and TNG characters, did you have sources for this? Or was this supposition? I see what you're saying: I'm just curious to know if you found this in a book or anything.
It's pretty well established from multiple sources. I recommend checking out "Star Trek Phase II: The Lost Series" by Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens. It's a great book on the subject.
Very good video.
Glad you liked it!
I always wondered if Bishop in Aliens inspired Data.
For what it's worth Vasquez was the original inspiration for Tasha Yar.
I was class of 1978.
Any modern woman would tell Riker to “go to hell” when he demands to know the father.
Wasn't Xon the Vulcan, killed off, in ty motion picture?
That was actually Commander Sonak, not Xon, but essentially a sacrificial replacement for him. They left Xon out completely in case they went to series after the movie, but that never happened.
Also... Where's the video on how Star Trek The Motion Picture influenced TNG?
It's in limbo right now. I've started it, and hope to finish it someday, but no plans to do so any time soon. I've since learned a valuable lesson--don't tease upcoming videos!
NO WONDER I LIKE QUESTOR. HIS EMOTIONS WERE INTERFEARED WITH BY THE GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST
None of the Deckers fared well when Kirk got involved
It should be noted that both chose their fate. Thanks for commenting!
@@MetaTrek But without Kirk...no fates to be chosen
Hmm . . . I hadn't thought about it until now, but both Decker's ended their lives by joining with machines. I guess the old saying holds true; like father, like son.
@@MetaTrek The Commodore got roasted..........unless ya count Star Trek Continues
@@giantclam1822 That did put a nice twist on things. So perhaps in a way they both survived.