Because Q is limited to our universe where as Guinan us the same in all universes throughout the multiverse. She's beyond his reach therefore she's more powerful than the Q.
Especially when Q says "this creature is not what she appears to be. She is an imp, and where she goes trouble always follows" Many fans assumed Q was just insulting Guinan, but there's a recent fan theory that what Q meant was Guinan is NOT actually an El-Aurian, but a much more malevolent entity merely posing as one. Sadly, they never explored the possibility.
Their indifference towards Q makes sense. They know that the Continuum is not going to tell them anything or do anything significant for them. As carefree and nonchalant as Q acts, it’s pretty clear that the Q are as strict about not interfering with less advanced races as starfleet is. Janeway knew that Q wouldn’t even send Voyager home even though it would be nothing for him. She asks once because she had to at least try, but she’s not surprised when he refuses and she doesn’t try to force the point.
@@Janoha17 The Q don't know what happens after THEIR death. Everyone else, they have clear knowledge and access to, as demonstrated in Tapestry. As for the indifference, it doesn't make sense. Quinn was a reasonable Q and yet no one picked his brain for anything, even though he and Q were dropping knowledge bombs during the trial.
@@joeboxter3635 No where in Star Trek canon does it say that Starfleet doesn't believe that Q's power is real. They've seen more than enough evidence that it's real. They know very well that by human standards the Q are omnipotent. But they also know that it's pointless trying to learn anything from them.
@@jayb8934 exactly, it's like asking a cat to do something. Maybe it will listen, but will likely either ignore you or knock something breakable onto the floor.... or the next galaxy over. You simply can't trust the Q. It's simply best just to not attract their attention and hope they just go away.
I remember being a kid and having my mind blown with the common ancestor episode. And when they completely ignored it in the next one I was confused. I think I waited for months to see if it ever came back up, never did lol
I posted above that I was unsurprised... No matter if you're a believer in science and evolution, or a believer in creationism, most people believe all humans are related in some way, either through Adam and Ave or a common ancestor. Hasn't made much difference about how much we other people and hate the others as a species...
@@jsworpin Why is it ridiculous? Each species evolved specifically for their own planet's environment. Seems plausible and in line with our understanding of evolution.
As far as #2, I wonder how many people looking back at that episode realize that not only is the actress the same as the lead founder changeling in DS9, but that the form is similar to the changeling "default". Add to that the fact that the first encounter on the changeling homeworld has her explain that their species was solid and limited, once upon a time... coincidence?
Makes sense. When they were originally solid her ancestors were cool cats baby, reaaaaal smooth. The, when they evolved into goo they because total douchebags because that's what happens when you become goo-thing, you become an asshole.
I've always gone with the head cannon that the ancient humanoid and the Founders were distant relative for the same race, explaining the resemblance and the same actor..
Surely when they brought her (Salome Jens) back to play the lead Founder the idea must have occurred to them. Maybe they were even going to tie them together somehow but the idea got shot down for one reason or another. I would love to ask this question at a Star Trek convention!
Backup any crew member periodically, so you can be restored to your last "save" if you die. (Those who consent, obviously.) Hell, any citizen who wishes.
@@1FatLittleMonkey it would not be like that unless somehow you can put your own consioness in it. Otherwise it be more like you die but your identical twin lives on
10:58 People really need to stop confusing the universe with a galaxy, they are not the same thing. They only seeded our galaxy, that's a big difference compared to an entire universe.
The Star Trek universe absolutely cares about Q even if some individuals do not. I would have replaced that spot with the Dyson Sphere they discovered then never brought up again.
@@DoctorX17 I've always gone with the headcanon that the Intrepid-class was the test bed for variable geometry nacelles and Voyager's disappearance meant that Starfleet suspended testing indefinitely while the tech was gone over with a fine tooth comb in case it was the cause for Voyager disappearing. By the time Voyager's crew used the Hirogen communications network to call home, refinements to fixed position nacelles had come along to make VG nacelles pointless due to increased maintenance needs.
The variable geometry nacelles are stupid, really, what's the point? Why not just duct tape them or whatever in the angled position and leave them there. It's just stupid but people dig it because, weeeeeeee, lookie here, the nacelles move...weeeeeeeeee.
Correct. The writers HATED the warp speed limit, so they pretty much ignored it and then “solved the problem” with things like Voyager’s variable position nacelles.
The warp speed limit was only for that narrow corridor. It was in a nebula. It wasn't for general space. They even explain in the episode it was like people walking on the same carpet in a narrow hallway and wearing it out.
Well they did care about #6, they mention the warp speed limit a couple times after the episode and later warp engines, including the Intrepid's fancy variable-geometry pylons, were designed to be gentiler on subspace.
this maybe late but thats also the reason why the newer sovereign class (enterprise E) has a narrower profile, and everytime after that episode on TBG they mention they have permission, i doubt every episode is just the next day, its just that we only see episodes of adventures where something happens so it looks like they go passed 5 every episode, but in between the episodes with everyday life they dont go passed warp 5
But remember that was not what happened that was an alternate version so that technically never happened so that’s not the first time because that never happened
@@dboymax1 Now we’re just gonna make suppositions about things that never happened I mean what the heck that never happened so you’re gonna say that could’ve happened while that’s not what happened in the show I could say 1 million things happened
And also why even bring up Spore Drive as an alternative? The reason it never gets brought up again is because the idea was from the Kurtzmann writing team writing a prequel series 15 years later. There is no reason to try to work a theory to explain why it's never brought up in universe, because the real world reason is the only explanation you need.
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 Then the question potentially gets flipped - if you're going to retcon something into existence so hard to the point that it makes no sense that it wasn't brought up in the future, why didn't they think about giving a reason for it not being available in the future?
I've always thought it odd that the original humanoid looked a lot like Odo and the Founders, in particular the female changeling. I've often wondered if there was something deeper there, and hoped the writers would explore that more.
Exactly. I always thought that Janeway kept up with his antics because deep down she still hoped that Q would bring her and the Voyager home one day. Sisko knocked him on his ass and Q never bothered messing with him again. And Picard simply didn't have it in him to get any control over Q.
Star Trek throws away advance tech all the time. In TOS Nomad enhances the warp engines and Kirk tells him to reverse the changes when he should have just told Nomad to slow the ship down but keep the changes. There are many more examples form TOS alone. Never mind next gen or DS9.
Yes, that’s a big one. Since Nomad states that in his accident “there was much damage”, and he thinks Kirk is The Creator, Kirk should have told him he wanted to check him over to be sure everything is ok, then convince him to shut down so Scotty could disassemble him and reverse engineer all the goodies.
I remember in the old days even in TOS; in one episode they encounter some group that can make humans act super-mega fast by throwing something into the tea.. and just because they lied to them that her aging weapon was a sideeffect if getting hurt during super-speed they never ever ever took on that again.
This list was surprisingly good. I did get annoyed when Voyager didn't use the slipstream drive after discovering that red-lining it would make it blow up. They could have used it in short trips. Or could have used the Delta Flyer as a taxi service - didn't it also have the slipstream drive installed? The pro-genitor looks so much like the dominion founder that it was probably her, and it was a massive hoax. She tried to trick them all into...... hmmm, no, i haven't thought this through.
@@orlock20 - Do we know if the founders being Odo's race was planned from the start? or were they a creation later on in the writing process that just happened to fit in nicely with Odo - or were otherwise inspired by him? IE did they plan a big bad enemy and only later did they make them the same race as Odo?
Yea and this film was soooooo mutch Star Trek...... "Hey we have Pockettransporters that can beam us to Chronos".... Yes that was real Star Trek.... NOPE.
#6 - they actually do mention the warp speed limit in ONE additional episode - Picard mentions invoking an emergency so they can go to high warp. But that is it. Never mentioned again.
I think it made sense for Keiko and (to a lesser degree) Picard. Considering how long El-Aurians live, Guinan might not have wanted to extend her life.
@@wolftitan That episode was heavy handed about climate change. In my head cannon subspace self healed, or maybe Q just reset it because he was bored one day.
the restrictions on warp speed were only meant for that particular area and the data about warp drive damaging subspace did influence ship designs moving forward. that's why later federation ships were sleeker, more "streamlined", it was more efficient and cut down on the damage they did to subspace.
12:27 Presenter Sean Ferrick? Way to go Sean, I'm very impressed by your Cross-Dressing skills, didn't notice it was you at all. All humor aside, good presentation Ellie, thank you.
They also just forgot that they can travel across the galaxy virtually instantly after Reg Barclay got zapped by the Cytherian probe. Guess no-one saved Reg's holodeck program...
@@cb-gz1vl motorbikes and small prop planes have the same internal combustion engine layout but just cause you know how to ride a motorbike, controlling the throttle, clutch and gears and can start a prop engine, doesn't mean you understand slats, cord, rudder, flaps, what to do at stall angles, prop overspeed, egt temp, radio, etc. Hell, people are able to drive cars but ask them to change a fuse or jump start it with an external battery and you're asking for trouble XD.
6.) The Federation established a Warp Speed Limit, but then they also developed more 'environmentally-friendly' warp drives. That's why the M/ARAs of the Defiant, Ent-E, and Voyager are different than the Ent-D's, and it's the explanation for Voyager's variable geometry nacelles.
@@gspendlove I can see that conversation..... "Sooooooo hi. Yeah that com array you use is SUPER destructive. Use this subspace radio instead. We also brought the whales back, uh, sorry."
4. The creature is akin to a Q, who was trapped there by the Q and other similar entities. They need help leaving the barrier because it vastly reduces it's abilities.
When you think about it, the Q love to mess with and torment other species (Q himself even admitted that much in Deja Q) so the fact that there is a being wicked enough that even the Q are like 'yeah, he/it can't be allowed to roam free' is actually terrifying.
@@ariadnefrolich7243 - Q forced the encounter with the Borg and as a result the federation made preparations. Yes Enterprise crew died - but how many more people would have died had the Borg just shown up one day without warning?
@@JohnnyWednesday ok. How about a warning, that also didn’t speed up the Borg coming for the federation? Kinda pointless to give an early warning , AND also speed up the process by how many decades?
About number 6, the damage to sub space in the Hekaran sector was explained in the Voyager episode ‘The Omega Directive’. It was not warp travel that damaged sub space, but it was actually the Omega molecule. Starfleet found about it, suppressed it and limited knowelege to Captains and admirals. That’s why it was never brought up till Voyager.
The Omega Molecule damage was in the Lantaru sector, not Hekaran. Plus if that was the case, Picard would have known the reason as to why subspace was so jacked up in that area.
I initially thought this too, because it sounded too similar/familiar, but if I'm not mistaken, the past Omega incident Janeway mentions happened in the 23rd century. Kirk/Spock's era not Picard's.
Great new content from TrekCulture with only one small flaw. Here's hoping you can soon afford to improve the audio so you don't sound like you are recording in the bathroom. Thank you though for the time and effort you put in to researching these topics.
Cetacean Ops and the dolphins within were mentioned by Geordi to a Ferengi in the TNG episode "The Perfect Mate." (The one with Famke Janssen.) They weren't shown, but that was the first canon reference to Cetacean Ops.
Now, for the Borg Nanoprobes argument and the Quantum Slipstream Drive argument 1. The Nanoprobes could possibly try to re-assimilate Seven back into the collective, so it would be too risky to try. 2. We saw Voyager using the Quantum Slip Drive once and it ended BADLY for them.
There are others, like Trelane possibly being a Q or what humans supposedly evolve into in that infamous Voyager episode about Warp 10, but I'd say these 10 are probably the biggest.
The Voth play a major role in Star Trek Online and have their lore and technology further expanded upon. So while not followed up on the TV shows they did do a fair bit with them in beta canon material. Same with the quantum slipstream drives which are standard technology on ships in STO as well.
I've got to wonder how a space fairing civilization could evolve on Earth however and not leave any detectable trace even by future archaeologist standards. We didn't even find a clay pot or a steam train or a fossilised car. They must have gone straight from mud huts to space travel.
@@bukster1 Or they were more environmentally minded, and didn't litter. Perhaps the asteroid hit their capital, maybe they nuked themselves, and asteroid is a human theory.
Re the warp limit, pretty sure at least once after Picard briefed the crew before a mission and said we have permission from starfleet to exceed warp 6. Or was that me just dreaming I'm Picard again 😊
I dont think they "forget" about these things... but ultimately they are explorers and have to keep exploring. Once they discover something, they make their report and collect data and send it back to scientists and academies in the federation.
Harry Kim- “Oh crap, he’s dead, Doc!” Doctor- “Well, there’s that one thing we could do to fix it… but nah, we’ve successfully done that before. Let’s explore new options to see if something else might work.”
There is also The Traveller - wasn't he the first visitor from another Galaxy to enter the Milkey Way? Didn't he transport the Enterprize to another Galaxy for a few minutes? Also, I think they address the "all humanoids share a common ancestor" thing in the TOS episode when Kirk becomes an American Indian.
Warp speed on its own doesn't damage sub-space it is higher warp frequency's coupled with certain ship designs. Basically if the ship design has a sleek profile the warp bubble won't affect subspace.
@@1978rharris I don't remember if he was Cytherian but Q showed Picard the battle. I can't remember the book it was in. I do remember a huge asteroid being thrown and a fold in space/time was opened. Picard noticed in the fold that the planet the asteroid was heading towards looked really familiar (as it was earth) and Q says, "Bye-Bye dinosaurs."
@@charlesjohnson7458 It's in the Q Continuum series, so either _Q-Space, Q-Zone_ or _Q-Strike._ But novels aren't canon unless what happens in them is mentioned or appears on-screen at some point, which hasn't happened for that.
Yeah I always hated the “warp damages space” story arc. They do reference being approved for exceeding warp 5 restrictions in at least one episode after, but then it’s completely abandoned. It was clearly a clunky analogy for climate change that they realized would unnecessarily hamper the series if it was adhered to.
I watched this, and then later when I was watching ST:TNG, I was delighted to hear Geordi ask some Ferengi if they wanted to go see the dolphins LOL (S5E21)!
I just want to know more about the Dyson Sphere! TNG introduces a long lost Dyson sphere which has such large implications. A race that could make that would probably be the most advanced species ever, and as far as I know, we learn nothing more about the sphere and its creators ever again. It's the coolest concept ever. give me more spheres :(
@@travissmith2848 In that episode the star was unstable and nearly destroyed the Enterprise D when it was trapped inside the sphere for just a few hours. While the Sphere itself is probably still around, the inner surface is probably pure ash.
Exactly!!! Building that would require more technology and resources which the Federation, Borg, Dominion and the others have together in 1000 years. Or 100 times more. It would be the biggest discovery ever, even by ST standards. And it is there to study, free access to the Federation. They can claim the whole thing. And it is forgotten…
OMG, Ellie's accent is so pleasant and she looks like a doll! *Glomps* (glomping is a running hug, no one freak out. I'm trying to bring it back into fashion.) Fun video.
My personal favorite not on this list is the _Graviton Catapult,_ from ST:V/S6E9, _The Voyager Conspiracy_ -- THAT's some serious tech that no one apparently bothered with.....
Voyager was DESIGNED to minimize damage to subspace. Every ship built after her had warp tech that minimized subspace damage. And other older ships were retrofitted with the safer warp technologies as they were designed.
Thought you would have mentioned the Cytherians and that amazingly cool hologram tech that lets you create whatever you want based on your thoughts from that wonderful episode with the line "I said shut up! As in close your mouth and stop talking".
I imagine they also didn't really try very hard to find a way to synthesize the material or find other ways around it - considering transwarp and spatial trajectors are more accessible and easier to replicate. The Borg assimilated the species that invented slipstream and didn't bother to use the technology because they already had something more efficient.
@@jamesbizs Since it doesn't conflict with what was said before, explains why every federation ship isn't rocking a slipstream drive the material he mentioned was used by Voyager to build it's prototype and we aren't manbabies
Yes but that Warp scale in the TOS and TOS movies was changed/revamped by TNG time so TOS Warp 10 is NOT Warp 10 by TNG time. Warp 10 is infinite speed in TNG time...
There was a TNG episode where a a "future" Riker orders warp 13 (the episode where there's an anomaly across several time zones & Picard flips backwards & forwards between them).
Can we also point out that the internal combustion engine in use today uses the same basic design principles as 100+ years ago and that is a tweak to the piston based steam engine from 200+ years ago?
What about the incredible discoveries during TOS that were completely forgotten about/ignored in future episodes? Two immediately come to mind: (1) The hyperspeed-up water on that super-populated planet that McCoy developed an antidope for that could used to temporarily speed up crew members so that they could more effectively perform repairs on the ship. (2) the device that those beings from another galaxy in “A Rose by Any Other Name” that can temporarily turn humans into small portable styrofoam-like shapes, which could used to save space and resources when ferrying humans when traveling long distances.
What about the time that Barclay got connected to the ships computer and basically took over everything. Wouldn't that connection be a groundbreaking advance?
When was it established that the Q can read minds? They are highly intelligent and very intuitive, but I don't remember them as having telepathic abilities.
Worse than that, Q offered to send her home in thanks and she's like "Nah, that's cheating. We're gonna do it the *right* way." Not Pictured: The right way apparently is rewriting history and bringing future tech back. Gotta stick to those principals.
@@counterfeitsaint7479 - That's not the reason she said no - he was trying to use it as a bargaining tool in order to get his hands on Q the suicidal - asking a starfleet officer to sacrifice somebody for their personal benefit isn't asking at all.
@@counterfeitsaint7479 janeway contradicts herself. In the episode where Qs son is sent to Voyager and in gratitude Q sends them a few light years home and she asks why not send them all the way, he doesn’t, but I can’t remember the reason he gives.
Cetaceans are specifically whales, dolphins etc - it's an order - not a general description for aquatic life. Aquatic Xindi are not Cetacean - they're Xindi.
Star Trek writers saying that all humanoid life came from one species, that we are all kindred-spirits - that's great writing, that humans really should look deeply into. If they did, racism and bigotry would be called out as being pointless. We are all family.
In Starfleet’s defense. The one Q they had the most contact with was often so obnoxious most crews didn’t want him around. Making him more relatable really saved the character imo.
Hyperspace and sub space are the SAME thing… There is an episode in SGA “McKay and Mrs. Miller” where Genie asks Carter “so, subspace is real?” And carter just says “you’re flying in it”
About Q... They also never really explored Guinan's reaction to seeing Q. Like she wanted to kill him, and was confident enough to do it.
That’s coming, possibly in Picard season 2
Because Q is limited to our universe where as Guinan us the same in all universes throughout the multiverse. She's beyond his reach therefore she's more powerful than the Q.
That wasn't Guinan, that was just Whoopi Goldber's reaction to seeing John de Lancie
Especially when Q says "this creature is not what she appears to be. She is an imp, and where she goes trouble always follows"
Many fans assumed Q was just insulting Guinan, but there's a recent fan theory that what Q meant was Guinan is NOT actually an El-Aurian, but a much more malevolent entity merely posing as one. Sadly, they never explored the possibility.
@@jaredjones1752 maybe because that's not what it means
Their indifference towards Q makes sense. They know that the Continuum is not going to tell them anything or do anything significant for them. As carefree and nonchalant as Q acts, it’s pretty clear that the Q are as strict about not interfering with less advanced races as starfleet is. Janeway knew that Q wouldn’t even send Voyager home even though it would be nothing for him. She asks once because she had to at least try, but she’s not surprised when he refuses and she doesn’t try to force the point.
And as Death Wish showed, even the Q don't really know what happens after death (though Q does pretend to be a psychopomp for Picard in Tapestry)
@@Janoha17 The Q don't know what happens after THEIR death. Everyone else, they have clear knowledge and access to, as demonstrated in Tapestry. As for the indifference, it doesn't make sense. Quinn was a reasonable Q and yet no one picked his brain for anything, even though he and Q were dropping knowledge bombs during the trial.
@Jay B No. Everything Q does is an illusion. That is Starfleet theory. Not everyone believes it.
@@joeboxter3635 No where in Star Trek canon does it say that Starfleet doesn't believe that Q's power is real. They've seen more than enough evidence that it's real. They know very well that by human standards the Q are omnipotent. But they also know that it's pointless trying to learn anything from them.
@@jayb8934 exactly, it's like asking a cat to do something. Maybe it will listen, but will likely either ignore you or knock something breakable onto the floor.... or the next galaxy over. You simply can't trust the Q. It's simply best just to not attract their attention and hope they just go away.
Ellie: But, here he is, displaying *powers beyond belief*
Q: absolutely wailing with his Mariachi band
I remember being a kid and having my mind blown with the common ancestor episode. And when they completely ignored it in the next one I was confused. I think I waited for months to see if it ever came back up, never did lol
I posted above that I was unsurprised...
No matter if you're a believer in science and evolution, or a believer in creationism, most people believe all humans are related in some way, either through Adam and Ave or a common ancestor.
Hasn't made much difference about how much we other people and hate the others as a species...
Agreed, I loved that episode!
Same.
They hopefully ignored it because it’s utterly ridiculous and shows a complete lack of understanding of evolution.
@@jsworpin Why is it ridiculous? Each species evolved specifically for their own planet's environment. Seems plausible and in line with our understanding of evolution.
Sisko's not impressed by Q because Sisko is also a god.
He didn't know he was Bajoran Jesus at the time though.
@@lovehawks2814 Q knew though
Q probably know the Prophets backed him and didn't want to fuck with him.
Best answer!
That's why Q never came back. When Sisko punched him Q realized he'd been knocked on his ass by another God.
As far as #2, I wonder how many people looking back at that episode realize that not only is the actress the same as the lead founder changeling in DS9, but that the form is similar to the changeling "default". Add to that the fact that the first encounter on the changeling homeworld has her explain that their species was solid and limited, once upon a time... coincidence?
great point!
Makes sense. When they were originally solid her ancestors were cool cats baby, reaaaaal smooth. The, when they evolved into goo they because total douchebags because that's what happens when you become goo-thing, you become an asshole.
I've always gone with the head cannon that the ancient humanoid and the Founders were distant relative for the same race, explaining the resemblance and the same actor..
Perhaps they are two species from the same planet. Solids influenced the liquid then things changed.
Surely when they brought her (Salome Jens) back to play the lead Founder the idea must have occurred to them. Maybe they were even going to tie them together somehow but the idea got shot down for one reason or another. I would love to ask this question at a Star Trek convention!
They ignored that accident that created two Commander Rikers. Starfleet could have reversed engineered tech to duplicate humans perfectly
Backup any crew member periodically, so you can be restored to your last "save" if you die. (Those who consent, obviously.) Hell, any citizen who wishes.
Duplicate ships and crews, turn a few star system's mass into a fleet.
@@1FatLittleMonkey it would not be like that unless somehow you can put your own consioness in it. Otherwise it be more like you die but your identical twin lives on
@@leto-nl I mean for all we know that's what every transporter trip is
@@jessicantina possible yes
10:58 People really need to stop confusing the universe with a galaxy, they are not the same thing. They only seeded our galaxy, that's a big difference compared to an entire universe.
The Star Trek universe absolutely cares about Q even if some individuals do not. I would have replaced that spot with the Dyson Sphere they discovered then never brought up again.
No doubt, how ITF could they forget the Dyson Sphere? That is utter madness.
Voyager gets a pass on the warp thing because that's why they have nacelles that move to keep from damaging anything.
Good point! I know I've seen it before, but like that idea.
Yeah, the variable nacelle geometry is supposed to lessen the damage and make warp travel more efficient, but we never see it on any other ship...
@@DoctorX17 I've always gone with the headcanon that the Intrepid-class was the test bed for variable geometry nacelles and Voyager's disappearance meant that Starfleet suspended testing indefinitely while the tech was gone over with a fine tooth comb in case it was the cause for Voyager disappearing. By the time Voyager's crew used the Hirogen communications network to call home, refinements to fixed position nacelles had come along to make VG nacelles pointless due to increased maintenance needs.
The variable geometry nacelles are stupid, really, what's the point? Why not just duct tape them or whatever in the angled position and leave them there. It's just stupid but people dig it because, weeeeeeee, lookie here, the nacelles move...weeeeeeeeee.
That's just such a stupidly easy fix to something that was presented as a massive problem.
I thought starfleet made a fix on the warp drive thing with the re-designed nacelles?
Correct. The writers HATED the warp speed limit, so they pretty much ignored it and then “solved the problem” with things like Voyager’s variable position nacelles.
Yes, it is solved.
Yeah I was going to say. Starfleet just develop better ships and nacelles. Like us converting to electric cars or w/e
The warp speed limit was only for that narrow corridor. It was in a nebula. It wasn't for general space. They even explain in the episode it was like people walking on the same carpet in a narrow hallway and wearing it out.
@@cb-gz1vl - It was all space - that narrow corridor was just the worst affected part at the time.
Well they did care about #6, they mention the warp speed limit a couple times after the episode and later warp engines, including the Intrepid's fancy variable-geometry pylons, were designed to be gentiler on subspace.
this maybe late but thats also the reason why the newer sovereign class (enterprise E) has a narrower profile, and everytime after that episode on TBG they mention they have permission, i doubt every episode is just the next day, its just that we only see episodes of adventures where something happens so it looks like they go passed 5 every episode, but in between the episodes with everyday life they dont go passed warp 5
Technically, the first life on earth to make contact with an alien was when Q fiddled around with the primordial protein goo in All Good Things 😁
But remember that was not what happened that was an alternate version so that technically never happened so that’s not the first time because that never happened
@@Peaceforall20111 - You sure do love the word "happened"
Who is to say Q was not there in the actual "Prime Timeline". Remember he is omnipotent so something like is easily possible for him.
@@JohnnyWednesday What happens in an alternate timeline, stays in an alternate timeline
@@dboymax1 Now we’re just gonna make suppositions about things that never happened I mean what the heck that never happened so you’re gonna say that could’ve happened while that’s not what happened in the show I could say 1 million things happened
Warp drive damaging space is literally why the Voyager was built. They didn't forget about it.
Fuck space, what did space ever do for anyone.
This is very interesting and makes sense, but where is this mentioned? I'd like to find out more about this.
@@JustWasted3HoursHere its the whole reason for the redesigned nacelles.
And also why even bring up Spore Drive as an alternative? The reason it never gets brought up again is because the idea was from the Kurtzmann writing team writing a prequel series 15 years later. There is no reason to try to work a theory to explain why it's never brought up in universe, because the real world reason is the only explanation you need.
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 Then the question potentially gets flipped - if you're going to retcon something into existence so hard to the point that it makes no sense that it wasn't brought up in the future, why didn't they think about giving a reason for it not being available in the future?
Geordi asks some guy “have you seen the dolphins?” in the episode “The perfect mate”
@Dern Vadar, the 'some guy' was the Kriosian Ambassador in the episode "The Perfect Mate".
I've always thought it odd that the original humanoid looked a lot like Odo and the Founders, in particular the female changeling. I've often wondered if there was something deeper there, and hoped the writers would explore that more.
I thought that also.
They also look a lot like the original Martians from the Martian Chronicles TV series.
Not only does she look similar, it's the same actress as the female changling in DS9.
In my head cannon, the Founders and the Seeders are one and the same. They seeded life, evolved and became shapeshifters
Since the Dominion changelings on Earth perfectly mimicked humans, why did the female changeling make herself look like Odo?
@11:47 It can easily be explained why the crew doesn't ask Q any bigger questions: You can't trust anything he says to be the truth.
Exactly. I always thought that Janeway kept up with his antics because deep down she still hoped that Q would bring her and the Voyager home one day. Sisko knocked him on his ass and Q never bothered messing with him again. And Picard simply didn't have it in him to get any control over Q.
Yeah he’s just going to lie to you.
Star Trek throws away advance tech all the time. In TOS Nomad enhances the warp engines and Kirk tells him to reverse the changes when he should have just told Nomad to slow the ship down but keep the changes. There are many more examples form TOS alone. Never mind next gen or DS9.
Yes, that’s a big one. Since Nomad states that in his accident “there was much damage”, and he thinks Kirk is The Creator, Kirk should have told him he wanted to check him over to be sure everything is ok, then convince him to shut down so Scotty could disassemble him and reverse engineer all the goodies.
Any unproven tech should be thoroughly tested before use though.
I remember in the old days even in TOS; in one episode they encounter some group that can make humans act super-mega fast by throwing something into the tea.. and just because they lied to them that her aging weapon was a sideeffect if getting hurt during super-speed they never ever ever took on that again.
This list was surprisingly good.
I did get annoyed when Voyager didn't use the slipstream drive after discovering that red-lining it would make it blow up.
They could have used it in short trips.
Or could have used the Delta Flyer as a taxi service - didn't it also have the slipstream drive installed?
The pro-genitor looks so much like the dominion founder that it was probably her, and it was a massive hoax. She tried to trick them all into...... hmmm, no, i haven't thought this through.
@Brendan Kent IIRC, the Founders discovered the wormhole quite a while back. Odo wasn't the first explorer sent out .
The Founders were retconned as the Progenitors before they became "liquid lifeforms", metaphors/shapeshifters.
@FirstDan2000 no, voyager was the only ship that had the drive. the flyer was just inside the field being generated.
They didn't know the Delta flyer could succesfully get there.
@Brendan Kent The actress for both the progenitor woman and the female changeling was Salome Jens
a warm welcome to the TrekCulture family, Ellie :)
Really hard to watch the "dna computer" episode without thinking that the result looks excatly like The Founder leader.
Same actress.
@@lasarith2 In the same makeup. Maybe that's why they are called Founders.
@@orlock20 - Do we know if the founders being Odo's race was planned from the start? or were they a creation later on in the writing process that just happened to fit in nicely with Odo - or were otherwise inspired by him? IE did they plan a big bad enemy and only later did they make them the same race as Odo?
@@JohnnyWednesday Planning on Star Trek? There are several videos that point out that Star Trek franchise does not plan.
@@orlock20 No 's completely different makeup.
Yeah. In "Into Darkness" it turns out Khans blood literally can bring Kirk back from the dead.
And no one bats an eye.
Yea and this film was soooooo mutch Star Trek...... "Hey we have Pockettransporters that can beam us to Chronos".... Yes that was real Star Trek.... NOPE.
#6 - they actually do mention the warp speed limit in ONE additional episode - Picard mentions invoking an emergency so they can go to high warp. But that is it. Never mentioned again.
There’s no way in a million years I would have made myself an adult again in that episode ‘Rascals’.
Agreed. That’s insane. There’s literally no downside.
I think it made sense for Keiko and (to a lesser degree) Picard. Considering how long El-Aurians live, Guinan might not have wanted to extend her life.
Voyager's redesigned nacelles were supposed to fix the problem. With damaging space
Actually pretending the episode never happened fixed the problem. 🤣
@@wolftitan That episode was heavy handed about climate change. In my head cannon subspace self healed, or maybe Q just reset it because he was bored one day.
Remember in season 1 when Starfleet was infiltrated by body snatching bugs? Yeah, they forgot pretty quickly as well.
Ugh I will never and cannot forget. Gross!
I just was thinking about that one.
My favorite is the uninhabited Dyson Sphere in Next Generation that they just leave behind.
the restrictions on warp speed were only meant for that particular area and the data about warp drive damaging subspace did influence ship designs moving forward. that's why later federation ships were sleeker, more "streamlined", it was more efficient and cut down on the damage they did to subspace.
Star Trek is like each episode is its own parallel universe in the multiverse. What happens in one episode has no effect in any other episode…
Unless you kill Tasha
Time travel makes all history temporary anyway.
12:27 Presenter Sean Ferrick? Way to go Sean, I'm very impressed by your Cross-Dressing skills, didn't notice it was you at all.
All humor aside, good presentation Ellie, thank you.
if I had to guess Sean, doesnt need much encouragement to give it a go.
They also just forgot that they can travel across the galaxy virtually instantly after Reg Barclay got zapped by the Cytherian probe. Guess no-one saved Reg's holodeck program...
They don't understand how to operate it
Not to mention the aliens they met.
@@crabobserver Yes but it was all done with the Enterprise resources and the ship would have logged how it was done.
@@cb-gz1vl motorbikes and small prop planes have the same internal combustion engine layout but just cause you know how to ride a motorbike, controlling the throttle, clutch and gears and can start a prop engine, doesn't mean you understand slats, cord, rudder, flaps, what to do at stall angles, prop overspeed, egt temp, radio, etc. Hell, people are able to drive cars but ask them to change a fuse or jump start it with an external battery and you're asking for trouble XD.
You sound like a Zoomer that just watched their first episode and it was with Barcley
12:30 "Presenter: Sean Ferrick" MY GAWD has Sean undergone a rapid change!
Starfleet meets a near-omnipotent being that puts them on trial, and systematically negs him until he's chasing after them for attention.
6.) The Federation established a Warp Speed Limit, but then they also developed more 'environmentally-friendly' warp drives. That's why the M/ARAs of the Defiant, Ent-E, and Voyager are different than the Ent-D's, and it's the explanation for Voyager's variable geometry nacelles.
Actually there was a book published after ST IV titled "Probe". It's all about the alien probe that contacted the whales.
I read that. IIRC, pretty good book about teaching the Probe to communicate with other species _without_ wiping them out. I enjoyed it.
@@gspendlove I can see that conversation..... "Sooooooo hi. Yeah that com array you use is SUPER destructive. Use this subspace radio instead. We also brought the whales back, uh, sorry."
I bought the audiobook.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
@@charlesjohnson7458 You're welcome
4. The creature is akin to a Q, who was trapped there by the Q and other similar entities. They need help leaving the barrier because it vastly reduces it's abilities.
When you think about it, the Q love to mess with and torment other species (Q himself even admitted that much in Deja Q) so the fact that there is a being wicked enough that even the Q are like 'yeah, he/it can't be allowed to roam free' is actually terrifying.
@@ariadnefrolich7243 - Q forced the encounter with the Borg and as a result the federation made preparations. Yes Enterprise crew died - but how many more people would have died had the Borg just shown up one day without warning?
Number 4 goes to the fact the movie was just bad. It could have been worst. So bad that all the actors almost quit.
@@JohnnyWednesday ok. How about a warning, that also didn’t speed up the Borg coming for the federation? Kinda pointless to give an early warning , AND also speed up the process by how many decades?
@@jamesbizs They didn't speed up the process; the Borg were already scooping up Federation and Romulan border colonies.
Transporting to and from an entire alternate evil universe, never seemed to get much attention from Starfleet command either.
Spoiler warning :::::::: :::: perhaps starfleet heads know secretly that the universes are drifting apart anyway and the issue will resolve itself.
About number 6, the damage to sub space in the Hekaran sector was explained in the Voyager episode ‘The Omega Directive’. It was not warp travel that damaged sub space, but it was actually the Omega molecule. Starfleet found about it, suppressed it and limited knowelege to Captains and admirals. That’s why it was never brought up till Voyager.
The Omega Molecule damage was in the Lantaru sector, not Hekaran. Plus if that was the case, Picard would have known the reason as to why subspace was so jacked up in that area.
@@Trent957 I think it is more factor that they didn't know that damage spread there. They most likely didn't know that cases could be related.
@@Trent957 But they make it clear that other sectors were affected too. They said that other areas you can only travel at sub-light.
I initially thought this too, because it sounded too similar/familiar, but if I'm not mistaken, the past Omega incident Janeway mentions happened in the 23rd century. Kirk/Spock's era not Picard's.
@@tetravega567 Hm? But I would still guess that incidents could be related. It isn't really a plot hole in larger picture.
Great new content from TrekCulture with only one small flaw.
Here's hoping you can soon afford to improve the audio so you don't sound like you are recording in the bathroom. Thank you though for the time and effort you put in to researching these topics.
Dyson Sphere - the most amazing discovery but then ignored
Cetacean Ops and the dolphins within were mentioned by Geordi to a Ferengi in the TNG episode "The Perfect Mate." (The one with Famke Janssen.) They weren't shown, but that was the first canon reference to Cetacean Ops.
Now, for the Borg Nanoprobes argument and the Quantum Slipstream Drive argument
1. The Nanoprobes could possibly try to re-assimilate Seven back into the collective, so it would be too risky to try.
2. We saw Voyager using the Quantum Slip Drive once and it ended BADLY for them.
"Guys, I think we might have found actual gods. They are pricks though, so try to ignore them."
Now I LOVE this channel, but THIS vid is FANTASTIC!!! Definitely things to think about!
The Voth don't really count here because they are actively against any further contact. Janeway didn't get much choice in it.
There are others, like Trelane possibly being a Q or what humans supposedly evolve into in that infamous Voyager episode about Warp 10, but I'd say these 10 are probably the biggest.
There was no Episode called Threshold where they attained Warp 10 and turned into Salamanders. You Imagined it.
That Warp 10 episode should have ended with Paris waking up from a dream and saying, "What the hell did I eat?"
missing dyson sphere
The Voth play a major role in Star Trek Online and have their lore and technology further expanded upon. So while not followed up on the TV shows they did do a fair bit with them in beta canon material. Same with the quantum slipstream drives which are standard technology on ships in STO as well.
I've got to wonder how a space fairing civilization could evolve on Earth however and not leave any detectable trace even by future archaeologist standards. We didn't even find a clay pot or a steam train or a fossilised car. They must have gone straight from mud huts to space travel.
@@bukster1 Or they were more environmentally minded, and didn't litter.
Perhaps the asteroid hit their capital, maybe they nuked themselves, and asteroid is a human theory.
@@bukster1 I thought they were abducted and placed in Delta Quadrant by some other species while they were still dinosaurs?
Great job, Ellie! Welcome to the channel. Hope to see many more videos presented by you 🙂🖖
Ellie is fabulous!!!
Great job Ellie!! Glad to have you aboard! Love the jokey jokes and well placed snark 😂 🖖
Voyager did try to explain away the warp thing as the reasoning why it has moving nacelles.
I feel like the Romulan / Human connection, at least for Picard, could have been his relationship / motivation in ST: Picard.
Re the warp limit, pretty sure at least once after Picard briefed the crew before a mission and said we have permission from starfleet to exceed warp 6. Or was that me just dreaming I'm Picard again 😊
I deffo remember that line being said once or twice, following the speed limit being introduced, and then it was quietly dropped
I dont think they "forget" about these things... but ultimately they are explorers and have to keep exploring. Once they discover something, they make their report and collect data and send it back to scientists and academies in the federation.
And then said scientists and academics forget about them.
Harry Kim- “Oh crap, he’s dead, Doc!”
Doctor- “Well, there’s that one thing we could do to fix it… but nah, we’ve successfully done that before. Let’s explore new options to see if something else might work.”
@@mrimmortal1579 Pretty much.
There is also The Traveller - wasn't he the first visitor from another Galaxy to enter the Milkey Way? Didn't he transport the Enterprize to another Galaxy for a few minutes?
Also, I think they address the "all humanoids share a common ancestor" thing in the TOS episode when Kirk becomes an American Indian.
That bubble that surrounds the galaxy.
lmao you mean like the real life one?
Read a book.
Warp speed on its own doesn't damage sub-space it is higher warp frequency's coupled with certain ship designs. Basically if the ship design has a sleek profile the warp bubble won't affect subspace.
Yea she just didn't watch the show or bother to research
So you can't make a sleek warp bubble, apparently. Or maybe thats what improvements were made: sleeker warp bubbles
The entity in ST V was believed to be a Cytherian that was imprisoned on a planet.
Uh….nope
@@1978rharris I don't remember if he was Cytherian but Q showed Picard the battle. I can't remember the book it was in. I do remember a huge asteroid being thrown and a fold in space/time was opened. Picard noticed in the fold that the planet the asteroid was heading towards looked really familiar (as it was earth) and Q says, "Bye-Bye dinosaurs."
@@charlesjohnson7458 Ha! That's such a Q thing for him to say lol
@@charlesjohnson7458 It's in the Q Continuum series, so either _Q-Space, Q-Zone_ or _Q-Strike._ But novels aren't canon unless what happens in them is mentioned or appears on-screen at some point, which hasn't happened for that.
EDITORS NOTE: I credited Sean where in fact it was Ellie. I will make sure to plug my brain in next time.
Was going to comment that did also notice that sound quality changes at point 3.
@@stephenwray4950 yes, a few issues with sound towards the end. Tried my best to match it to the rest. Thanks for all the feedback.
Yeah I always hated the “warp damages space” story arc. They do reference being approved for exceeding warp 5 restrictions in at least one episode after, but then it’s completely abandoned. It was clearly a clunky analogy for climate change that they realized would unnecessarily hamper the series if it was adhered to.
I watched this, and then later when I was watching ST:TNG, I was delighted to hear Geordi ask some Ferengi if they wanted to go see the dolphins LOL (S5E21)!
I thought the Dyson Shell (Sphere) would be on here from TNG: "Relics" .
That's the first thing I thought about when I saw the video title.
I agree that nano probes should have been used more but wondering if it deemed to dangerous to try
Yes, StarFleet is not too keen on using Borg technology. They remember Wolf 359.
@@StarFleet_Tech1701 exactly
You were a wonderful host and this was a great episode!
I just want to know more about the Dyson Sphere! TNG introduces a long lost Dyson sphere which has such large implications. A race that could make that would probably be the most advanced species ever, and as far as I know, we learn nothing more about the sphere and its creators ever again. It's the coolest concept ever. give me more spheres :(
Didn't they say that the DS creator had either died from radiation from their star or had left long ago as it seemed abandoned.
Even if the creators are gone the structure seems stable and with that much interior surface area must have some remains that can be learned from.
@@travissmith2848 In that episode the star was unstable and nearly destroyed the Enterprise D when it was trapped inside the sphere for just a few hours. While the Sphere itself is probably still around, the inner surface is probably pure ash.
Most advanced? I would have suspected the Iconians would be the most advanced
Exactly!!! Building that would require more technology and resources which the Federation, Borg, Dominion and the others have together in 1000 years. Or 100 times more. It would be the biggest discovery ever, even by ST standards.
And it is there to study, free access to the Federation. They can claim the whole thing. And it is forgotten…
OMG, Ellie's accent is so pleasant and she looks like a doll! *Glomps* (glomping is a running hug, no one freak out. I'm trying to bring it back into fashion.) Fun video.
My personal favorite not on this list is the _Graviton Catapult,_ from ST:V/S6E9, _The Voyager Conspiracy_ -- THAT's some serious tech that no one apparently bothered with.....
Voyager was DESIGNED to minimize damage to subspace. Every ship built after her had warp tech that minimized subspace damage. And other older ships were retrofitted with the safer warp technologies as they were designed.
Er, right, where did you hear that?
@@owenshebbeare2999 it IS canon in the shows and the books and novels
What Star Trek would have benefited from most would have been a hybrid between episodic and serialized styles, using an "evolving" writers' bible.
It was not T'Pol's ancestor, it was T'Pol herself who gave the Velcro to humans. It was a time travel episode.
The aliens that the singing whales were in contact with might have been the Xindi Aquatics.
Another addition to the TrekCulture team?
Very nice and a warm welcome
Thought you would have mentioned the Cytherians and that amazingly cool hologram tech that lets you create whatever you want based on your thoughts from that wonderful episode with the line "I said shut up! As in close your mouth and stop talking".
3:30
As data said to isac Newton.
"that is a myth"
Q was just trolling her
Eh, it's a bit more than trolling. That Isaac Newton stuff was being used as evidence in a trial, wasn't it?
To be fair about Slipstream, it requires a rare material to function. I think Book mentioned in Discovery Season 3 that practically nobody has that.
I imagine they also didn't really try very hard to find a way to synthesize the material or find other ways around it - considering transwarp and spatial trajectors are more accessible and easier to replicate. The Borg assimilated the species that invented slipstream and didn't bother to use the technology because they already had something more efficient.
I’m sorry, since when do we cere about what they say in discovery?
Discovery isn't canon. It's literally not canon at all.
@@jamesbizs Since it doesn't conflict with what was said before, explains why every federation ship isn't rocking a slipstream drive the material he mentioned was used by Voyager to build it's prototype and we aren't manbabies
@@topogigio7031 I don't think you know what the word "literarily" means.
I don’t think starfleet would embrace immortality. There could be a Prime Directive argument in there.
They also found a dyson sphere, then sorta shrugged and moved on.
They dispatched a research vessel to study it.
This was surprisingly intelligent.
While I like Sean, I'm hoping we see Elly a lot more often.
I agree. Clear, articulate, intelligent, and significantly less hairy.
This is a fun list! I like Ellie's take on Trek!
The warps tech not changing is not true
The excelsior class had transwarp that could go beyond TOS warp 10, and in TNG warp 10 was the absolute speed
Yes but that Warp scale in the TOS and TOS movies was changed/revamped by TNG time so TOS Warp 10 is NOT Warp 10 by TNG time. Warp 10 is infinite speed in TNG time...
@@dboymax1 logically from the excelsior class technology requiring the warp scale to be redefined from a linear to asymptotic scale
There was a TNG episode where a a "future" Riker orders warp 13 (the episode where there's an anomaly across several time zones & Picard flips backwards & forwards between them).
@@ericpode6095 'All Good Things' An actual good ending for a Trek series.
Can we also point out that the internal combustion engine in use today uses the same basic design principles as 100+ years ago and that is a tweak to the piston based steam engine from 200+ years ago?
What about the incredible discoveries during TOS that were completely forgotten about/ignored in future episodes? Two immediately come to mind: (1) The hyperspeed-up water on that super-populated planet that McCoy developed an antidope for that could used to temporarily speed up crew members so that they could more effectively perform repairs on the ship. (2) the device that those beings from another galaxy in “A Rose by Any Other Name” that can temporarily turn humans into small portable styrofoam-like shapes, which could used to save space and resources when ferrying humans when traveling long distances.
What about the time that Barclay got connected to the ships computer and basically took over everything. Wouldn't that connection be a groundbreaking advance?
i love the presenters accent! so adorable! those eyes!
When was it established that the Q can read minds? They are highly intelligent and very intuitive, but I don't remember them as having telepathic abilities.
Nice new presenter and interesting subject!
I've always found it curious that even though Janeway helped Q out on several occasions she never thought to ask him to get them home.
would be cheating
Worse than that, Q offered to send her home in thanks and she's like "Nah, that's cheating. We're gonna do it the *right* way." Not Pictured: The right way apparently is rewriting history and bringing future tech back. Gotta stick to those principals.
@@counterfeitsaint7479 - That's not the reason she said no - he was trying to use it as a bargaining tool in order to get his hands on Q the suicidal - asking a starfleet officer to sacrifice somebody for their personal benefit isn't asking at all.
@@counterfeitsaint7479 janeway contradicts herself. In the episode where Qs son is sent to Voyager and in gratitude Q sends them a few light years home and she asks why not send them all the way, he doesn’t, but I can’t remember the reason he gives.
@@francessimmonds5784 Janeway is a psychopath that constantly contradicts herself.
Thank you for this itemized list. Excellent! :)
I like to think the Cetacean ops are for the Xindi aquatic, who are now involved with the Federation and maybe even camping out in Earth's oceans.
I think the same thing
Cetaceans are specifically whales, dolphins etc - it's an order - not a general description for aquatic life. Aquatic Xindi are not Cetacean - they're Xindi.
@@JohnnyWednesday Yes, but the tanks were build for Delphinus. Though it would make sense that various aquatic species would work there.
Excellent presentation
The being in ST V fought against several Q, lost, and was imprisoned.
Yeah, but that's from a novel and not considered canon until it's mentioned/appears on-screen. It's the same for all the novels & comics.
Great touch with the Trek hair!
Star Trek writers saying that all humanoid life came from one species, that we are all kindred-spirits - that's great writing, that humans really should look deeply into. If they did, racism and bigotry would be called out as being pointless. We are all family.
We all know we're one race. That doesn't stop anyone from being a racist or bigoted, unfortunately.
The various Humanoid races in Star Trek always find reasons to hate and fight each other sadly.
@@ContemporaryCompendium it's also more complicated then that
In Starfleet’s defense. The one Q they had the most contact with was often so obnoxious most crews didn’t want him around. Making him more relatable really saved the character imo.
Love the new narrator. Please tell us more about Star Trek Ellie!
The Voth discovery was mentioned as a in a later Voyager episode.
You forgot finding out that humans will evolve into 2 legged amphibians that are no longer sapient and can reproduce amazingly fast.
that's just one possible evolutionary state; remember wesley became q-like and "Enterprise" had regressed humans living underground.
The common ancestor took me back to the TOS episode "The Paradise Syndrome"
Why they never looked into Hyperdrive engines is beyond me. Stargate ships are so much faster than anything Star Trek has
Trademark and Copywrite laws? 😉😅
Different 'in universe' physics. Trek has Subspace and SW has Hyperspace, with it's mapped lanes for safe travel.
Hyperspace and sub space are the SAME thing…
There is an episode in SGA “McKay and Mrs. Miller” where Genie asks Carter “so, subspace is real?” And carter just says “you’re flying in it”
There's the Voyager episode "Threshold," where we find out evolution is predetermined, and humanity's ultimate fate is a nonsapient salamander.