Katakuri vs Wano (Rant)- One Piece
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- I haven't done a rant in a while so I thought it would be a good idea to tackle one of the worst downplays. Katakuri is big moms strongest commander, and takes the mantle of control whenever she goes beserk. Big mom is one of the four emperors so it only makes sense that her right hand man would be comporable to other commanders in the story.
So allow to work my way through the beast pirates including yamato, Until we can accurately scale the Minister of Flour.
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Mfs would rather say ulti>katakuri, then acknowledge obvious writing inconsistencies. Odas writing is never perfect but he’d be punching the air rn if he could hear yall opinions.
Imagine being an award winning author and u create katakuri only for ur fans to think a headliner beats him💀
The dumbest opinions are "Perospero scales to Jack so after WCI he became stronger than Kat. Idk how, he wasn't shown training or anything, but he just is" and "base post-Udon Luffy is stronger than WCI Gear 4 Luffy" and I'm wondering which one of these is dumber, it's a tough decision.
Anime Fans are dumb anyway, what you expect?@@Zero-ef4sc
Queen negging base udon luffy does mean something, bc katakuri couldn’t do that to base bloody luffy, even if katakuri was also bloody that just makes it even with bloody luffy
Also let’s say katakuri is faster like you said, bro can’t even do enough damage to end bloody luffy, how’s he going to do anything to a tanks dinosaur who has weapons hidden in that beastly body
@@edi1499
1. That Luffy still had Seastone cuffs on him and was still weakened from getting 1 shot by Kaido.
2. Katakuri cannot take down Luffy because Luffy is stronger than both him, Queen, and King. Queen was taken down by a few hits from Sanji, and while Katakuri is most likely weaker than Sanji, he can still hit Queen enough times and it's gg.
Sanji victim finally gets his props, I'm proud 😮
Sanji is now the most overrated character
@@shrewd42 he’s not wrong tho
How you manage to disrespect but also compliment someone at the same time💀
@@fuzzo2734 he is tho. No character that was talked about in the video actually fought sanji. Other than queen and queen did not get any props In the video.
@@shrewd42 Hilarious
the big mom pirates gets downplayed so much its so stupid, this mainly because BM pirates are more of a side antagonist rather than an the main one. WCI arc is literally just a side arc prior to wano, if sanji didnt get kidnapped no WCI, but that aside the beast pirates had so much screen time and more significance to the story making the bias favor them, but in reality BM pirates and beast pirates are very relative.
ulti > katakuri is crazy. Imagine thinking Katakuri is a Nami victim
Interesting point about Big Mom having to use COA hardening to block Luffy in Gear 4. It's insane to think that a drunk Kaido was taking those for fun.
We found out that Kaido actually gets stronger when he's drunk too.
@@daeshaanmoore9649 I dont think it ever stated that.
@@thestrongestman1008 it literally is tho
I honestly don't think big mom needed as she ate a lot of eustass kids attacks but ig you could scale WCI g4 over wano eustass midd
@@clinged2711 no because kidd was tanking multiple kaido advanced conq attacks while beginning of wano luffy couldnt handle 1
If Katakuri gets buffed and gets advanced CoC , that'd be great, if he is supposed to take lead over his family.
i think that will come but its just head canon for now
Now that you mention it, Kat is the only first commander confirmed to have conquerors. Ben Beckman is likely tho.
@@remus4283 and zoro too if you count him as a yonko first commander
Dark king Rayleigh as well
But I agree with this theory. Kat will develop ACOC, he'll get a buff
I use to hate Katakuri ( in power level) since everyone used to overrate him but in only a matter of two arcs zou and wano I stan him and hate when everyone underrate him
I feel this way about sanji. He gets so overrated. That I’m starting to hate him (power scaling wise, he’s still a great written character).
You mean reverie? Because zou was before whole cake.
Sanji overrated? You must mean Zoro
saying that ulti is stronger than katakuri is like saying bepo is stronger than kaido .
No it isn’t at all
lmao
No it's not? Katakuri isn't strong 💀
@@Tapedat_stk Neither is ulti but here you are lmao
@@mister_meme3608 still doesn't compare to a power gap between bepo and kaido
Must disagree on Kata vs King.
Kata would be able to predict when King's flame off would be and his battle iq is higher than Zoro so he would be able to figure it out faster.
This combined with his DF abilities completely negates King's ranged attacks too.
King's attack power and durability are greater when his flames are in the proper modes, but Kata has the more versatile devil fruit given his awakening, better predictive haki, better battle iq and is by no means in a completely different league from King in terms of power and durability, simply not as good when the appropriate flame modes are activated.
Ergo, I say Kata takes this but with extreme difficulty.
You are just biased fan😂😂😂
@Nightshadow3_7 comparison is worthless.....oda writes in such a way that you can't really tell who would win but I think king gonna win or be at equal of kata...and queen have no chance in pure form of strength of combat abilities....
@Nightshadow3_7 accurate
Naw, this some biased sht. No amount of Mochis nor Future-sight would save Katakuri from being incinerated by King. All you would see is a burning doughnut at the end.
finally a one piece powerscaler that knows how to read. subbed
Idk how katakuri even went form the most loved and respected to the most hated and disrespected among one piece fans
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Powerscaling bro. Why you think people hate Saitama or goku so much. Fandom makes everything good and shit.
Everyone loves katakuri
Just power scalling gets toxic
Cuz those people have 10 brain cells and take the first thing they hear as a fact
Katakuri vs someone like Sanji:
Peros Peros = Jack (lost to dog storm and cap viper who are equals)
Peros
Great video, katakuri became from one of the most overrated characters among fanbase to "ulti victim" "queen victim" "king low diffs him" which is pretty hilarious 😂
So we gonna pretend like the luffy that beat katakuri didn't get oneshot by kaido and yet zoro was able press and even injure him. Luffy could easily no diff katakuri in base and ulti was able to press him. Perospero got an easily lick by cat viper with like 2hp and absolutely exhausted from using sulong. The sweet generals get absolutely washed in wano smoothie did good to hide
@@obezy8705no the sweet commanders do not. It's just the power scaling changed when the onigashima event start also one piece power scaling does not make sense
@@Nani1234_ it makes PERFECT sense its just that its a you issue meaning you re incapable of comprehending it
@@obezy8705 how do they get washed when oda's commander structure has their portrayal to be about equals?
3YC cracker is a defensive character capable of creating tough warriors essetially being an army creator where as 3YC jack is also a defensive character with tons and tons of endurance and high durability and stamina being able to outlast plenty of characters on his way to W if the circumstances allow that to happen he's also a one man army, he defeated mink troops TWICE and people say he's got no W
2YC smoothie is this powerful sword user who can increase her size granting her increased power overall while also being able to throw VERY powerful windslashes more powerful than zoro ever shown at that point back then proving she is a tanky beast with powerful ranged attacks where as queen is pretty much the same he can increase size due to hybrid form and shoot from wide range using the weapons he has from his cyborg body
1YC katakuri was implied by luffy to be invincible when he regains his composure and calms down and 1YC king was said by zoro to be pretty much invincible when the flames are on his back...
in one piece the intent of a character MATTERS!!! kaido exclusively states countless times that he wants to be thrilled and feel challenged... he had future sight and never used it pre ch 1042 proving how consisten oda is not only with his powerscaling but also with the actions his characters take when they express an emotion to which the audience should listen to OTHERWISE YOU SHOULDNT BE TALKING!!! ACOC fresh buffed luffy was mocked by kaido who no diffed him off screen while he was holding back massively not using FS not using bigger hybrid nor drunk phases... and u think zoro could actually be an adversity if kaido actually tried? NO NO NO it aint happening until EOS learn to read!
luffy also says that he "underestimated them" when he talked about page one and ulti, he wanted to save as much energy as possible to be healthy for the big battle so thats a nerf and its not like ulti overpowered luffy by being stronger at any rate, the floor collapsed from the impact where luffy was standing giving ulti an advantage there, he also didnt use acoa otherwise they would both get clapped MIND U base armament luffy g3 broke page one's jaw.... katakuri scales massively above that version of AP unless luffy uses ryuo which he didnt in this instance... katakuri destroys your favorite commander buddy
Huge W. These people are or blind haters or bad powerscaler to dont see obvious things
I have to disagree, Katakuri is not underrated he still gets the respect that he deserves, the only people that downplay him are Sanji/Zoro fans (agenda pushers), if you ask any other people that aren't Sanji/Zoro fans the majority will say that katakuri is stronger than King
if you ask people with a nonzero iq the majority will say Katakuri is one of the most overrated characters in the series and doesn’t get past King because of Wano’s powercliff
edit: but like seriously, how is Katakuri supposed to even hurt King? King is leagues above him in speed even in his flames on mode (kept up with Zoro who point blank speedblitzed hybrid Kaido while injured) and even if he does hit King how is he supposed to damage him (no aCoC)?
Naw I see it on youtube that the katakuri disrepect is insane
Than king is a joke i hope
😂katakuri is one of the overrated character. Like how can people even think that he is gonna be the next gen wb.King > katakuri
@@wrath788 thats entirely possible read magazine 14, its easy to see the parrallel if u read the story
The fight starts, and sanji simply…disappears
Fair. Can’t wait for his return power up oda owes us after that cover story. And does anything change if katakauri has advanced armourment haki ( internal destruction ) and has better durability above jinbei.
Great points and I agree with the Katakuri respect, only minor quibble -- Perespero is portrayed to be relative to a heavily INJURED Jack
By your point on Izou I know Oda likes to be all over the place with endurance, basically unless a character is unconscious or dead they're often still hitting at full power, but the distinction here does seem important because Oda was heavily emphasizing Neko/Inu/Jack's injuries
Yeah I agree. Taking damage is more stamina based. Like zoro breaking every bone in his body and still scarring Kaido, he attacked at full power but was unable to fight right after using ashura.
@@lilsam6434 durability is whacky in OP and really doesn't operate by standard shonen logic, best example is like Doflamingo getting his organs filleted, acknowledging that he was tired mid-battle with Luffy, only to then fight Gear 4 twice while clamping an entire island with bird cage lol. It somewhat matters but also doesn't, hence Kaidou having fought scabbards and roof piece and then still clapping Yamato with thunder bakuga
this is why i said at worst cracker=jack, and perospero scales to the mid range scabbards, but still above the tobi roppo by far
-Perospero was injured as well, though not as much
-Spero was attacked offguard, unlike Jack
-Jack had Beast pirates helping him for a period of time, unlike Perospero who was alone all the time
-Neko attacked him in Sulong and fought him like that for a period of time, which put Perospero in even more of a disadvantage
@@D.Strawhat how perospero was struggling to fight an injured cat viper while Jack was able to fight both dogstorm and cat viper back to back for multiple days and nights with no rest theres no way u think they are = at worst?
I like the fact that you acknowledge scaling inconsistencies
I think you're the best powerscaler
It is really a sad world we live in where people think Katakuri isn't going toe to toe with only the 'right hand men' of these crews rather than simple officers. I cannot express how, while there is indeed Wano power creep, there is the much worse power creep, being offscreen. Nearly every returning villain has had some boost to allow them to be in the club for a little while in comparison to their previous iteration, with current Lucci being a prime example.
5:10 There is NO way G4 Luffy would actually scratch big mom during that confrontation. She has durability relative to base form Kaido, and yet a much stronger version of Luffy in act 1 of Wano didn't do jack shit to Kaido after a free round of whack-a-mole going all out
their durability is not relative, endurance is arguable.
he has dragon scales she does not. Simple
@@D.Strawhat Kaido 100% has higher durability than BM in his hybrid/dragon form.
However, when Luffy "fought" Kaido in chapter 923, Luffy on gear 4 gets several panels of free hits on a base form scale-less haki-less Kaido.
This was a Luffy who definitely got much stronger from fighting Katakuri for twelve hours, since he went from not even being able to clash with him (Katakuri had stronger armament at the beginning of their fight) to eventually overcoming him.
To reiterate, this vastly superior gear 4 enraged luffy didn't even put a scratch on Kaido, who is base form is closer to Big Meme's somewhat underrated durability.
Linking back to the video (giant tangent, sorry lmao) I do agree with Kat stopping at King, however, I do think Queen has the durability and endurance to give Kat a really tough fight
@@snoipe6365 Kaido Have scales even in base, he is mad durable in that form, Big mom is not Kaido, nowhere as durable as even Base kaido and nowhere states that Start wano arc luffy is far superior to WCI Luffy that fought Kat.
Kaido himself says that Scabbards can't cut or pierce him before the scabbards landed their blows. kaido was in base form when he said this.
So Yes, Luffy can hurt Big mom, independent how much you dislike it, she needing to use haki to protect herself confirms Luffy can hurt her if she doesn't use haki.
@@psykos233 Kaido doesn't have any scales in base form, the closest thing is his fish scales tattoo on his left arm. Big Mom has been portrayed multiple times to be on a similar level to Kaido in physical ability, she just has the IQ of a disabled brick.
The physical stat gap between Kaido in base form and BM is a lot smaller than people say, but the fact is, it's got nothing on the titanic fuckin store brand G A P between WCI Luffy and BM, if she had the IQ of at least a semi sapient being, Luffy woulda gotten the Kuri treatment early
@@snoipe6365 Doesn't matter, he is still mad durable in Base form because of his Devil fruit, that's why Base Kaido to scabbards "your swords can't pierce my scales" when he was in Base. Kaido in Base have far better durability than Big mom easily. He didn't need any haki to protect himself against G4 attacks, Big mom needed and she used to protect herself vs Luffy.
If Luffy couldn't hurt her she wouldn't use it, she using haki is same as luffy using haki to protect himself from attacks of others who could hurt him. Characters don't use Haki for no purpose.
people have been downplaying katakuri so much lately, thank u man
One piece fans can’t be trusted
Thank you for touching this topic, cuz Kata slander gets out of control nowadays. Despite I watch different guys who overrate or downplay Katakuri, I always make own decisions based on what ive seen. And must say that your video is the most unbiased, neutral and the best to comprehend without any circuses aka "Ulti wins". King wins? Yes. Does bums like Jack or Queen win? No. On facts
This is the kind of video needed to actually give respect to Katakuri! It’s wild that people think that another yonko’s crew, Kaido’s, would wipe the floor with the BM Pirates when narratively yonkos should be relative! Crew and all! Like are we forgetting that Kaido had the most in his crew which should warp individual member strength lower than the BM Pirates
One of the Few times i agree with your takes
Katakuri scale above queen and loses to king
simply beautiful video. the voice lowk soothing, the points clear, simple and straightforward. Could've also added that Katakuri probably lost against Luffy in WCI because he gave up mentally and/or stabbed his own vitals at an advanced stage of the fight
Katakuri getting put to sleep by act 1 kaido: 😴
Snakeman who extreme diffed Katakuri treated Kaido like a bitch. Kaido is Katakuri's punching bag relax
thanks for putting some much needed respect on katakuri
lol, respect.
Love your powerscaling videos they leave no room for debate been binging them.
Now that this is settled it's time for the Sanji vs Katakuri video
Part of the Katakuri disrespect comes from people not realising that Oda is not a powerscaler and also that narrative matters when powerscaling.
Ulti is used as a example of a character stronger that Katakuri because of her interaction with Luffy. What Katakuri haters don’t factor in is that Luffy did not Even attempt to dodge Ulti’s head butt and only used gear 5 to get away from her. She showed no feats of being overwhelming powerful just strong enough to hold base Luffy (a below 6ft rubber man) in her Zoan form.
The other reason is that Chart showing how many hits Katakuri got on Luffy vs how many he took. With the recent revelations about Luffy’s fruit and obviously plot armour this is irrelevant. Luffy is immune to blunt force damage due to his fruit, so the only attacks that would do damage are when he puts spikes on his mochi and when he stabs Luffy. Btw why the F Luffy live that he had a decent portion of his abdomen severed? Plot armour that’s why.
Thank you for showing katakuri some love he's been really getting disrespected lately especially by sanjitards who for some reason thinks Sanji low to mid diff katakuri. I still think Sanji would win but all I'm saying is it wouldn't be that easy it would be high to extreme diff
I really don't think it will be an extreme diff fight for Sanji but whatever mate.
I am a sanji stance but I also belief that it will definitely not be easy for sanji to win against katakuri
Sanji will have an easy fight with Katakuri, cope harder
Katakuri being somewhere beetween King and Queen imo
He is only below those who have FS/speed on Snakeman level. Neither King nor Queen fits that they are below Katakuri
@@lolonoazolo8918bro wci snakeman is not that guy, and he was fatigued too, even pre awakened sanji is comparable
Lore and feats are the most essential when power scaling.
In the story, Who's Who is the strongest Tobi Roppo but when it comes to feats, Ulti has taken way more damage than WW and got back up (BM's Maser Cannon + Nami & Zeus, on top of Yamato's Thunder Bagua).
When one contradicts the other, usually feats are put above lore. Cases like Ulti are odd. I know she's not YC level but her durability easily is, so idk tbh. She won't keep up for sure but she might hang in there.
People will say big mom blocking luffy gear 4th punch is impressive, because that shows luffy can hurt her, but in the same breath say Kidd needed law to damage big mom lol, when we know kids attacks are were stronger then gear 4th luffy punch
King and katakuri are some of my favorite characters in one piece and I've always wondered who could possibly take the W in a fight. I always personally thought king since his abilities, defense and speed are some of the most broken in the series. Love both of these characters but yeah to me king got it
Hold on now , i can understand the powerscaling comparability bs with kat and king but how can king be even one of the fav for anyone, i mean dude's just a plot Device to give us some lore with barely any character
@@Ray_Kaminari I mean I understand that but he's not like in my top 5😭😭. For me sometimes it's not always a characters importance or relevance they have to the story that makes me like them or think their cool. I think design wise, his devil fruit power, his race and how that translates to the seraphim I think are all things to like about him. I agree that he isnt the deepest character or has the most importance but I can't sit here and not say "damn...he's so badads"😭😭
@@jaysanchez8159 honestly, you do you bro. Who am I to question someone's subjective opinions lol and op is filled with characters so there's no way people can always agree on everything anyways. And i do like king's design a lot too tbh.(the one yet to be revealed in the anime)
@@Ray_Kaminari Exactly man! But yea your definitely right, anyone can enjoy any character they want and I think that's one of the best things about one piece
He is like a indestructible wall. No amount of future-sight or mochi-shrines would help Kat getting incinerated by King's imperial flaming wings. 🔥 > 🍩
Without power creep, while also using Perospero argument, Katakuri power level only ranges from Jack to Queen. He has no argument to win against Marco, King, Rayleigh, or any notable YC1.
He has though since none of them has shown FS or speed on Snakeman level to hit Katakuri while Katakuri has no trouble blitzing them. Snakeman is the fastest character in the series after Kizaru looking how Snakeman blitzing Kaido and Katakuri kept up with Snakeman
@@lolonoazolo8918Luffy with snakeman against kaido is much stronger and faster than against Katakuri because of advanced conquerors, and kaido with future sight outspeeds Luffy in dragon form
@@TheAetherPlatform advanced conquerors is an amp
Luffy also trained with weights and buffed his power so he should also be faster
@@TheAetherPlatform it gives a stat boost and you can see Luffy getting blitzed before udon
Post udon he could kind of fight Kaido with gear 4
Post advanced conquerors Luffy could fight in base
Zoro doesn't matter here, also he was dominating king after advanced conquerors
Yo strawhat ive been loving your videos lately could you make a top 15 or 30 wano list since the arc is over now
Thing is, many One Piece fans get fooled by simple power scaling
Ulti being physically strong enough in her full beast form and clashing with base Luffy initially doesn’t downplay Katakuri. It shows how strong she is. She is among the top members in a Yonko’s crew after all
Who is to say Gear 4 Luffy would have difficult time beating her? He may be able to beat her fast in gear 4 unlike with Katakuri
I have Katakuri clearly as a 1st Commander level character, duh, and think that the people who scale the Tobbi Roppo, Jack and Queen above him are ridicioulous. However he is basically at the bottom of my 1st Commader level characters (who have feats), for now. I have people like Marco, Sanji, King, Zoro etc... above him. The Wano powerscale did increase, but not to the degree that the Tobbi Roppo would defeat Katakuri. There may also be other 1st Commander characters above WCI Katakuri, like some of the Red hair pirates, like Lucky Roo and Yasopp. Or maybe Crocodile or Boa, but that depends on how much of a buff Oda will give them. They do have 1.9 bill and 1.6 bill bounties and we haven't see a lot of Boa and have not seen a post-timeskip Crocodile yet. I do think that Katakuri will recieve a buff, when he comes back.
@@D.Strawhat Ok, yes, but I meant more like a buff that will put him higher like characters like current Sanji or King etc... Maybe he gets Advanced Conquerors Haki or just we see an overall improvement in his strength.
WCI clearly shows you need FS and speed on Snakeman level to beat Katakuri. None of the character you put above him has that. Katakuri blitzes them and beats them
@@lolonoazolo8918 The Luffy who got one shot speed blitzed by base Kaido in Kuri, was stronger than what he was on WCI, when he beat Katakuri. Katakuri gets destroyed the same way by base Kaido as Luffy did. All the people who I put him above him are far stronger than that Kuri Luffy. Zoro obviously, just look at the rooftop battle. Than King was man handalling post- rooftop Zoro, until Zoro took control of his Haki. And Katakuri can't damage King anyway. Sanji has high level Observation, superior durability, hax, speed, has healing. Was able to low diff Queen after his Germa awakening, so incredible power that could destroy an ancient Zoan, Meanwhile Katakuri got bloodied by base WCI Luffy punches.That stuff not doing anything to Queen. Sanji also has flames to deal with the Mochi. The only person I would put under Kat, maybe is Marco. And even he held of King and Queen, has flames to deal with the Mochi, has healing, has speed that could match Kizaru. His AP is the only question.
@@nikjovan4816 Luffy did not train his speed in Udon so same speed when he was fighting Katakuri. ACoC does n ot boost speed so same speed as he who was fighting Kata. Zoro does not have Future Sight and he's much slower than Snakeman he cannot hit Kata even in his wet dream. You need speed capable of blitzing Kaido to hit Kata Zoro is not that guy. Sanji is also not that guy Queen is slow not hard to beat him. Vanishing in front of someone with pure speed is not impressive as base Niji who is fodder to Kata, vanished in front of Sanji with pure speed. Garp got bloodied by pre TS Luffy. Zoro got bloodied by gifters. lol Kata tanked multiple Boundman that Big Mom needed armament to block while Queen got put down from 2 non haki Big Mom attacks. Queen's durability is worse than Katakuri.
Luffy is much more durable than Queen though he no sold ACoC Kaido so Katakuri not being able to put down Luffy has no relation to Queen since Queen got put down from 2 non haki Big Mom attacks.
Marco is much slower than Snakeman and does not have Future Sight. He cannot hit Katakuri. He gets bltzed and loses
@@nikjovan4816 Snakeman treating Kaido like a bitch tells you that what would happen if Kaido fights Katakuri. Kaido without Future Sight cannot beat Katakuri. Luffy who got 1 shot by Kaido was non FS Boundman Luffy who lost to Cracker. Katakuri body bags Boundman non FS Luffy faster than Kaido did.
Let's not act like Katakuri also did not get stronger after his fight with Luffy so their speed gap did not change. Luffy trained his armament in udon so the speed gap did not change again. And CoC coating did not boost Luffy's speed so the speed gap did not change again. Snakeman blitzing Kaido shows you Katakuri will do the same to Kaido treating him as his punching bag.
5:40, I just wanna say that X Drake taking out a number doesn’t mean that he has equal ap to gear 4 luffy because that would also imply he has the ap to at least slightly damage kaido which doesn’t make sense. This just means that they both have the power to take down a number but luffy is clearly stronger
no, luffy didnt use ryou and yes he is, but kats ap would still scale higher than this by a lot
and yes it doesnt make sense but im just making sense of what oda wrote
@@D.Strawhat oda wrote luffy beating katakuri, unless you genuinely think the luffy at 5:40 has less attack power than MF PEROSPERO💀💀
unless x drake does too then yea pero and kats AP would be above that specific attack
lmao i alreayd proved pero>>drakw
W vid
I agree with everything, King is the only character that Kat should be compared to as they are both YC1s, anything other than that would be bad writing (saying he's weaker than ulti).
I got King beating him mid-high diff
I think people forget that haki was said to get stronger after intense battles so it is 100% fact that Kay is stronger right now that he was when he fought Luffy, by how much idk but the fact that he has CoC makes his potential crazy
pls consider doing a video about how strong is sengoku in my opinion he is the most underated toptier in the verse he was stated to be on the level of roger and garp one of prob 3 marines alogside garp and prob akainu to have coc haki and i believe he has adv coc and still people think kaido like mid diff him
good vid but I disagree on Oda not caring ablut consostency. Just because drake has as much ap as a kong gun does not mean the cp9 agents dont make up for it with speed or durabllity. The fights were offscreen
Mommy Yammi bends Katakuri
I hope this is facts rn but if the only thing you relie on is the perospero situation even though katakuri has no feats to show that he is over them.
I'm tryna get that smoothie treatment frfr.
I agree on some parts. I have Jack above the sweet 3, only because there's no conceivable way they can outlast him in a 1v1. Maybe smoothie because of her DF, but even Kat doesn't have the AP to put Jack down in a few hits considering even Zunisha couldn't kill this man with a trunk slap... It's not that i think Jack can "beat" Katakuri or Smoothie, he'll definitely outlast them though. Him boxing with Neko and Inu for 5 days is just pressure considering they know how to use Ryou and can pierce Kaido's scales.
We established Zoro at that point >> Luffy in his fight against Kat, which is correct. Zoro's stats at this point are way beyond WCI Snake man with the KoH conq coating/Ryou and everything. Despite that, King was still punishing this suped up Zoro. It's logical to me to conclude that Kat would get speed blitzed and one tapped by King. Considering he barely took hits from WCI luffy and got dropped. We learned from Luffy that if you're too fast, future sight isn't worth anything, because you'll just get blitzed.
The same should be true of Sanji as well against Queen. Dodged Kats bean flick 😏 without looking but got tagged by queen a few times. Having enough AP to knock out BM even off guard is kinda nuts. But I'll chalk that up to comedy because that's what this manga is mostly about. And I hate queen too, so there's that
All in all, the beast pirates were stronger than the Mom pirates but Not by a huge margin..(only king, he was in a whole other tier) but really, it comes down to Durability and Endurance for Top Tiers. Beast pirates have more of that.
The only low diff is King vs any minister. Everything else is mid high
@@silvertongue.242_99 yeah. I give characters with conqueror's haki credit and room to grow though so who knows. Maybe Katakuri will be the strongest commander in a year's time, and maybe Doffy will be a yonkou one day 😂 anything's possible now with oda lol
More rants please
welp I got my popcorn
Katakuri would get a Haki bloom in Wano for sure
Oda decides that, not you 🤷🏽♂️
I think people forget that one piece doesn't have the same power increses like Black Clover or Dragon Ball it has a very slow incres in power with usally end of saga villains being definetly stronger than the previous and even that could be debateble depending at the lenght of the saga so it's more accurate to say that WCI monster trio would go Sanji and Zoro being able only able to defeate Tobi roppo rank members of BM pirates while Luffy being able to fight and defeate yonko comanders.
And lets not forget that Oda also likes to give certain kicks in for certain characters to show that they can at least fight back like Persopero having a way to "beat" Marco even if in a fair and propar battle he would lose to Marco in a few minutes
I would actually put Kat. As pretty much equal to king:
Defense mode: Too fast for King to tag Kat. With having future sight, while Zoro without even having future sight or an observation halo specialist being able to counter attack against speed King and dodge his Head spear attack, and magma flame attacks. but at the same time not really having the power to knock out King, but would likely still hurt him since he has conquers coating and Advanced armament haki,
Speed mode: Likely comparable in speed, with both likely having the power to take each other down: Kings over all raw power, but no longer having his raw durability
Flight ability canceling out Kat. Ability to manipulate the terrain
Both having ranged attacks with flames and power mochi
King likely having the raw power; but Kat, being the much smarter and slightly faster fighter overall
Good video but the queen downplay is crazy! Also the ultimate downplay is even worse she is clearly the strongest Tobi roppo by feats and should not be compared to x drake. Her durability due to the big mom and nami attacks is off the charts and she clashed with a post udon luffy and they tied. Not saying she would beat him at all but that is a significant feat. Kat is definitely somewhere between king and queens level but the gap between king and queen isn’t as big as you say and lastly most of the katakuri downplay has seem to come as a result of the new Sanji agenda but to be fair all the characters that people say Sanji can beat … he can beat them including king Marco and kat
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idk if sanji can beat king, still debatable
Good video as much as I meme on Katakuri you were spittin with this one. I'm just wondering why you didn't mention the Oven fight🤔
He is the coat
Hard take but king has the worst biq in all of one piece like why does he wait he attack with flames off then just stand there instead of instantly putting flames back on
katakuri relavistic+ and all wano top tiers are ftl +queen speed blitz
He def got stronger
headcanon
Watching wano then going back and watching luffy vs katakuri the wano fights make that fight look so fodder 😭
thats true for literally any arc, marineford didnt even have any conquerors lmao and WB got put on his knee by squardo
Lol o find it funny. We don’t even know where kat stands at the moment. For all we know after luffys fight he’s learned advanced conqueror’s haki as well.
Nah none of the tobi ropo scale to Ulti she’s an anomaly trading blows with conquerors coating Yamato.
I agree that Drake is probably a lot weaker than Scabbards, but that logic doesn't work for Ulti. For some reason u tied up Ulti and Drake in the same power tier, and that doesn't make any sense. In my opinion Drake, Sasaki and PageOne are definitely the weakest tobi roppo, Maria being solid third (I would say she relative to most of Scabbards), Who'sWho and Ulti are strongest, based off of feats Ulti takes first place.
Now to Ulti. I understand that Luffy going to 4th gear wasn't desperate move, he just needed to end that fight quicker, but let's not forget that Ulti literally overwhelmed him in headbutting. Luffy using his Armament haki, plus we seen black lightning meaning Luffy was adding Coq to that, is very impressive. Also she was able to overwhelm him by not letting him go, and we know how physically strong Luffy is, she almost knocked him off. Ulti literally didn't lose, she was snuck by Yamato, BY THUNDER BAGUA, and got back up minutes later, fighting Yamato again.
Ppl don't talk about how she has been struck by BIG MOM's COMBO ATTACK, and she still got up after that.
Those lightning strike by Nami did nothing to her, until after she got stroke by Big Mom.
SO THERE's NO WAY YOU CAN COMPARE HER TO DRAKE, who as you said was blitzed by CP0 agents.
I would say Ulti definitely can take out most of the Scabbards like Izo, Kiku, Kinemon, Kanjuro, Dogstorm and Catviper (when they are not sulong), Raizo. I think she can overwhelm Ashura Doji, but it's debatable. Dogstorm and Catviper in sulong, Kawmatsu and Denjiro defeat her, but it's not gonna be a wash.
Ulti has very high durability, physical strength, stamina and speed, what makes her Commander material already in my opinion, i just don't buy Usopp and Nami running from her for 5-7 chapters than defeating her at her lowest state as a W, she fought unfortunately happen to fight much stronger characters like Yamato, Luffy and attacked by BigMom.
I would even push agenda that she has a legitimate chance against Jack, because we never seen haki from him. He litearlly lost to dogstorm, which is a anti-feat. Jack being third commander doesn't make sense to me, considering his feats.
Also Persoper fought tired and injured Catviper, so that feat doesn't work. Perospero is very slow in fights which is byproduct of his devil fruit, he relies on it too much. I would say Perospero is a great against fodders, bcuz of his range, but his speed, durability, stamina helds him being relative to Maria, who has the same problem. WhosWho definitely mopping floor with him.
Putting the Deserve Respect on da boy Kat 🔥🙏🏽
i wanna see the inconsistency you were talking about
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@@D.Strawhat yea i saw it i commented before watching
@@D.Strawhat i honestly think perospero would just give cracker a good fight
@@Relax_Rombey Perospero loses to Snack who lost to Urouge who lost to Cracker. Cracker negs him
@@lolonoazolo8918 have u thought about a massive power leap though? Law didn’t train and is so strong now that he can probably low diff his dressrosa version without his fruit
Remember, future sight is nulled if your opponent is faster than you
Luffy is faster than Katakuri, but couldn’t do anything until he learned future sight. Speed alone is never gonna counter future sight
that makes 0 sense
That only counts if your FAR in speed future sight works relatively in speed still
there’s no proof that bm was “forced” to block luffys attack, and that’s ykur whole basis for Katakuris ap
LMAOO SO SHE BLOCKED IT FOR FUN?😂😂
lemme get this straight, in the same sequence big mom completely allows judge to attack her and stomps him, but for luffy not only blocks but coats herself with haki and u say
“she didnt need to do it”
excellent bias as always
A alot of these topics are heavily debatable. I'd rather see you debate someone who has a different opinion on where katakuri stands. So at least we can get a common ground.
Tbf I really don't care how powerful Katakuri is. He's just cool guy. Same with Crocodile, Crocodile is just cool, he doesn't have to be all powerful
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But how would you explain Izo not scaling higher than the Luffy who beat Kata who got one shot by Kaido who actually had to kinda try to defeat red scabbards and Izo literally dealt more damage than act 1 Luffy. Idk how Izo gonna lose to Kata
All the Scabbards have ryuo which is needed to hurt Kiado. Kinemon is shown arcs ago to be weaker than chracters like Dressrosa Luffy but just had the exact haki to cut someone like Kiado whereas Luffy when in act one did not. This is my personal problem with the scaling in Wano because people use durability and AP to scale in an arc where an enitre pirate crew is centred around that. So many people completely ignore the fact that outside of King, Kaido and Yamato none of the beats pirates have the speed to hit Katakuri since none have scaling anywhere close to a Snakeman Luffy who was using future sight to track Katakuri.
@@CameronkAK a drunk Kaido still blitzed Luffy, the scabbards weren't blitzed
@@editimpact66 kaido used a named move on Luffy whilst none of the Scabard’s got thunder baguyed. Plus he himself said that he was having a mental nerf vs the scabbards since he was having ptsd of Oden. And it was straight after he got his mind back on track that he squashed them.
@@CameronkAK you forgot what cut Kiku's arm? What Kanjuro sliced?
@@editimpact66 Kaido used Thunder Bagua his fastest move to blitz act 1 non Future Sight Luffy. Thunder Bagua blitzes and beats current Zoro tbf since Zoro does not have Future Sight and has not shown tanking yonko's attack to the head. Chapter 1000 Luffy dodging Kaido's nameless club swing while with Future Sight he barely dodged Thunder Bagua is a proof that Thunder Bagua is much faster than Kaido's nameless club swing that he used on scabbards. Katakuri being much faster than base rooftop Luffy can dodge Thunder Bagua in his sleep.
King And katakuri are same strenght
Why katakuri would twerk on the yonko down you have me screaming?
As a man who puts Katakuri as an overwanked bum: this video had some fair things, and things I don’t think hold up at all. Persospero being above the Tobi Roppo: ehhh. You acknowledge yourself he was beating down on a pre sulong Neko who was injured. Once Sulong came out he got whooped. Especially when you tried to compare to Jack who was holding off both of them non stop for 5 days until Sulong came out. Using that is all is kinda jank. Especially when the inciting incident of the arc shows off the power creep. To me saying the flying six are all relative is like saying warlord level is a thing. I don’t get the amount of people who say Who’s who’s is the strongest Tobi roppo when nothing backs that up. Ulti is by miles. She has an actual feat against Luffy, she has the best durability/endurance compared to the rest by miles. And the biggest reach of this video: Saying Katakruri has good AP due to the Big Mom block. We acknowledge as a community by now: Big Moms a dumbass when it comes to using her Haki. Wether or not she used it: Luffy wasn’t going to damage in G4. This is supported when he couldn’t hurt Kaido at all with stronger move while also being stronger stat wise than before. later who wasn’t using armament, and was in base. Trying to upscale Kat off of that is the weirdest argument I’ve seen. So no Kats AP, along with durability isn’t great by any means. I agree that Kat probably beats everyone up to King: but that’s purely if he keeps dodging, and then wails on them for ages.
@@silvertongue.242_99 agreed. Honestly a lot of this video felt like a reach compared to his other content.
@@silvertongue.242_99 yeah. There were several points where I was thinking “that’s not how that works”, or that he was leaving out important info that contradicts it.
good video overall. the best point you made was about perospero, you can't argue with that but you could also argue that the other scabbards are relative to them in sulong forms which low diffed him. i agree he beats queen but it's not as much of a wash as you made it out to be, the part about luffy making big mom use haki is a bit disingenuous (she used haki to punch law, does that mean she can't hurt him without it?) you don't always need a good reason to use haki in a fight.
I think oda intentionally made the Big Mom Pirates stay at the bottom of Wano so that we wouldnt be abke to see there power to make it seem like the beast pirates are waaay stronger. And if they were in the fight there was no way the fleet was winning in wano. Plot saved them so imagine if Big Mom kids were there
Yamato? Yamato badly loses? 🤔
she one taps
Katakuri is by far one of the coolest anime characters ever made.
Great video, you know the part I disagree with 😂. But keep up the great work bro
Rob Lucci's victim finally gets his props, W
You either got the people who think queen mid diffs katikuri or think katikuri is a untouchable god because his observation haki who pushes a yonko high diff
All he has to do is return with conquerors coating and its a wrap
Best i could see is katkuri should be as strong as the rooftop characters being above killer imo
Oda sucks at Powerscaling, anyone should know this by now. Yet People still think Katakuri would lose against Jack in canon. He is Nr 1 Sweet Pirate for a reason, otherwise Big Mom wouldn't be a Yonko with a weak Crew like this
the way i look at it king marco and kat are all equal,y relative each being slightly stronger in certain aspects same with zoro currently. zoro will be way stronger later in
This video is gas
Yeah I mostly agree to even get queen at kats level of speed is an extreme high ball and not narratively there
Great video!
Katakuri beats zoro, sanji, king
I admit that you def gave Katakuri some respect he desperately needed, however he definitely stops at queen for one simple reason. He LOST to a Luffy who’s getting genuinely one shot by queen and king. King was stronger than rooftop zoro who’s as strong as rooftop Luffy who’s stronger than the Wci version of himself who Katakuri is = to. And queen by relativity to king would beat kat.
@@D.Strawhat king is not doing any significant damage to queen 💀😭 the fight would pretty much be the same as pre awakening sanji vs queen we see a bloodlusted king hit queen in chapter 1027 and it barley even gives queen a reaction while zoro was flung around huffing and puffing
@@D.Strawhat the fight would be extreme difficulty for king and queen with some winning factors like if queen does land any germa enchanted attacks on king even those where doing some damage to sanji post genetic awakening sanji a dmited that his legs where more durable then ever meaning his more durable with his awakening then the raid suit which king coudlt even stracht after a full dive attack
@@ryanmattioli9790 The fuck? King is ranked higher than Queen and the Beast pirates are a meritocracy, which would mean that King is stronger Queen, and he is also faster, has better durability, and better AP . Queen is nothing more than a glorified punching bag, he would get steamrolled by King and Katakuri.
@@leonardostefanucci4106 I never said queen was stronger I said king would have a hard time defeating queen do to him lacking the ap to critically damage queen like pre awakening sanji that was the hole point of the fight sanji was superior then queen in every stat but was struggling to damage him
@@ryanmattioli9790 Ifrit jambe folded queen.
Now kings attack which are hotter than magma as zoro said will fold him.
And king spammed that attack 3 times
there is letteraly no difference between udon luffy and rooftop luffy in terme of haki he just mastered ryuo that's all
King's drill peck is op
in my view King > Katakuri >> Queen >> Tobiroppo, it doesn't make sense to say that Queen > Katakuri, it just seems that people have forgotten who the Minister of Flour is!
im ngl king>>kat, his defense is Insane and his AP is ridiculous, Kats speed and IQ is helping him not die. But once he gets hit king is going to break him
The power scaling is borderline retarded tbh it's pretty bad especially in these two arcs, people try to jump through hoops to explain things but the more you think about it the less sense it makes, oda just does stuff
Amazing video I agree with every take
Katakuri is way too cool bruh I can’t help but fan boy 😭 he solos da verse as far as my bias goes 😭
Kat-fanboys are the worst.
Kat getting his shine I'm crying 😭
Goat
Don't sleep on any of Big Mom's kids, even the weak looking ones like Perospero got that dawg in them.
whered u get the picture at 7:41
Tcb i think its from chapter 1035
really good video facts.
And hear I thought this man was good at scaling, cat viper literally was in sulong form then went out of it which we know if they use their sulong form for too long they might die even if they don’t die they get incredibly weak to the point they might pass out we saw this with the first time carrot transformed
Dog and Cat went out of sulong because the moon got covered up mid fight, not because they were tired. They activated sulong again when Luffy split the sky and clapped up Perospero and Jack easily. They would have lost in their normal forms.
@@plus-delta4477 it doesn’t matter if they didn’t come out of it them selves just using the sulong form too long is a toll on there body even if they went back in it that’s there crazy endurance, and saying cracker is stronger than Jack is crazy same Jack who was holding his own against cat viper, cat viper who was able to damage kaido some what when a gear 4 luffy way stronger than the one who went up against cracker couldn’t even damage him then got one shoted come on man the information is there
@@Ehstynago you don't know how to scale, be quiet.
@@EhstynagoJack is not even half as strong as gear 4th and he is extremely slow, like how the fuck will he even hit cracker? Not even gear 4th was fast and strong enough to beat cracker
@@TheFellHeartayo my man actually stfu after you said this that's crazy. ☠️