Faulty premise; every old character in one piece complains about their age. Rayleigh admits he cannot fight Blackbeard anymore, therefore old characters do not keep their strength.
@_General_Grievous__ there is evidence that they do NOT keep their strength, specifically Whitebeard. There is no evidence of any old character "keeping" their strength look at Whitebeard, Big Mom, Rayleigh, Perospero, Crocus, Don Chinjao, Buckingham Stussy. On the other hand, stamina is synonymous with endurance, so listing that twice is redundant; also the story of one piece never classifies character strength or endurance as 2 separate variables for fighting but has quantified strength and endurance together. Luffy has been shown to depelete "Haki"(versus Doflamingo), and had been shown to take a nap from having no strength/stamina (versus Crocodile round 3).
@_General_Grievous__ So, old beard who clashed with Shanks was as strong as Prime Beard. ur delusional, and garp says he's not as strong as he used to be when he used galaxy impact😂😂
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf Thank you, using your example prime Whitebeards' clash with Roger got to the point where their swords don't even touch, yet old Whitebeard can't manage the same feat with either a one armed Shanks or Akainu.
He also keeps saying Garp lost to Kuzan like he wasn’t fighting off the entirety of BB’s crew. The most damage done to Garp came from Shiryu not Kuzan lmfao.
@@ngockjunior848 Black Beard currently has the strongest yonko crew. His crew was split in 3 different places but was able to beat the Heart pirates, beat Garp and get the marines he came with running, and has other members still in places we don't know. He did all this with his crew not going all out and Aokiji mentally holding back his ice.
First of all i agree with you on about kuzan cooking all the 1yc. My only nitpick is like your kuzan vs garp scaling, yeah kuzan was holding back 100%. But garp was holding back the same way. He used 3 named attacks that arc and only used 1 against kuzan. He was speedblitzing kuzan twice one being right after getting weakened by shiryuu. And clashed equally with kuzan after getting stab by shiryuu too. If he was really serious at fighting kuzan he whould be hitting him with galaxy impact and divine doing insane damage beacuse them attacks are potienally acoc attacks. So i whould not say kuzan vs garp was really a serious fight like that beacuse of there connection. But great video ❤
Garp was definitely not holding back He was literally telling Kuzan,wavering is for the weak Although he was injured so…yeah he wasn’t at full strength
@@Gravity_Ws_onlyno garp wavered a lot in that fight…he did not hit kuzan with any killing blows, he said that to kuzan to build his own resolve along with Muzak’s bcz they had to clash…he was mentally trying to prepare himself and was basically affirming to kuzan that he should also aim for the kill bcz only 1 can survive yet non of them threw killing blows.
Fr most people won't even put Shanks or Kaido over PrimeGarp/Roger. I know admiral get's disrespected in the community but this is just overhyping them to the moon. Akainu is definitely Top Tier along with Shanks Dragon Mihawk rn. Kuzan a beat below. But there's no way Fuji or Greenbull can beat Yonko. They can give a good fight though. High diff.
My guy came up with the video title first then tried to came up with excuses. When he doesn’t have any evidence that a character is stronger that Aokiji : Beckman , Reigligh he says there is no feat or statement that proves that. What a joke ! 90% of your argument of Aokiji strength is from a 10 second clip freezing a biscuit man and black beard being a coward
Beckman was too much of a coward to stop Kizaru from firing his jewels of light at Luffy, and current Rayleigh was sweating from just fighting a Kizaru that wasn't trying. His points are valid.
@@izayasaychow4002 Beckmen is nearly strong as shanks in other stats, not as that close in haki or speed. No other marines or higher ups didn''t notice him come up beside kizaru, he just appeared once shanks did and to mention another 1st commander is mihawk, the person who went on par with shanks during his old times, rayleigh can just stall and pop up on him as he isn't just stupid if he knows someone is stronger (Kid was one-shotted by shanks, I doubt beckmen would lose quickly) they got this, aokiji just doesn't a chance at all if they fought all at once.
I would say that Garp in their fight was stronger. Aokiji could not do anything to him and it was a fight between him and the entire crew minus a couple titanic captains. Rayleigh was sweating as an old man who is 30 yrs his senior. Both garp and Rayleigh stated that they aren’t as strong as they used to be both in pre and post. As far as zoro, we do not know if aoc has the same touching of the subtle body that armament has. Kuzan is not as durable as king or kaidou. His devil fruit is what makes him have durability feats. By your logic he would be stronger than Roger and whitebeard since they only fought for 3 days when they meet and he got oden to join his crew. I would agree he could beat the current garp & Rayleigh, I doubt he would beat them in their primes. He is weak to fire and we seen his attacks get melted by ace and he lost to akainu who uses a fire based df. It would come down to haki and we know sabo uses advanced armament too. Nothing is conclusive to say that he could beat sabo who has a df type advantage.
bruh zoro aint beating kuzan yet this isnt a discussion, prime garp>kuzan high diff uhhh wankleigh is a toss up imo, sabo is weaker than aokiji but due to elemental matchup as shown by ace-kuzan clash the fight could be interesting
i would say kuzan takes it mid diff cus he outstats sabo overall however sabo js as benn wankman strength is up in the air so who knows could be higher
You are saying it comes down to haki? Name me one notable observation feat for Sabo? Aokiji demonstrated advanced observation by avoiding a haki coated attack from Whitebeard (Whitebeard's bisento was able to touch Akainu, a logia user's foot) and is was not afraid of trading punches using color of arms haki against Garp who was using conquerors, he also takes nearly every physical stat.. and as for the devil fruit weaknesses, we can reason that quake is a much greater weakness for Kuzan than fire and yet he still confronted WB and Blackbeard just fine, Wuzan Slams
Just because Kuzan has the df disadvantage against Sabo doesn't mean Sabo would win. Him being able to go 10 days with Akainu despite being at a major disadvantage should tell you that. Akainu's magma is way more powerful than Sabo's fire, and Kuzan holding his own for 10 days against magma should tell you that Sabo isn't on that level yet
Never let bro cook. I can dispute this with 2 facts. 1. Pre time skip rock papers scissors logic. In pre time skip era one piece where Haki wasnt as center stage the devil fruits power generally determined the outcome. Example is Crocodile one shot cutting Akainu in half with one attack where he killed ace one shot whitebeard commanders and crippled Aokiji because Magma doesn't really affect sand. The same applies with Marco or Sabo vs Aokiji. 2. Its heavily implied garp holding back against Aokiji and Aokiji being a sleeper agent in the Blackbeard pirates confirmed by both Jesus Burgees Blackbeard and the rest being suspicious of Aokiji joining the Blackbeard pirates. It wasn't really revealed how Aokiji took down Garp because it happened off screen but even there its heavily implied that the rest of the Blackbeard pirates chipped in as they did vs whitebeard when Blackbeard lost. But Going off this logic pre time skip luffy beat garp so pre time skip luffy>roger and shanks
Fr this is getting out of hand lol Prime Garp/Roger >Kuzan High diff. Admiral fans prolly thinks Greenbull can go Extreme diff with Prime Garp/Roger lol. It's a mid diff. The video is very biased over the fact that Old Garp is almost similar to his prime which is definitely not the case as after Galaxy impact Garp said " He's Completely Weakened" (Japanese raw literal translation). Also during Water 7.
With regard to Lucci vs Zoro, did anyone notice Zoro didn't even bother to whip out his third sword? I think Zoro was trolling Lucci. He probably spent the entire time whispering treasonous thoughts in his ear, trying to break his loyalty to the WG.
I'm really on the fence about the old people keeping their prime strength. Rayleigh said he can't beat blackbeard cause he was old and whitebeard basically had stage 4 cancer and a heart attack with no meds. he also couldnt use his haki properly so there is no way he was in his prime. Even if you argue its just in terms of physical strength and their stamina is just worse, that still means theyre stronger in their prime because they would have been able to fight longer and use their full power longer. maybe im just yapping, but thats just my perspective on the argument. Great video all together though.
They definitely do get some what weaker as they get older maybe not to the degree in real life. Because sengoku seems to instantly retire after losing his prime and getting gray hair most likely signifying the loss of power
I agree with you except with the Garp fight because Garp noticed that galaxy impact was not as strong as it was when he was younger, so Garbon knew that he wasn’t at his strongest Kuzan was holding back but so was Garp Garp trained Kizan and is his former student you can’t tell me that he was going all out plus he fought all the other commanders while fighting Kuzan even Akainu would struggle against all that and in my opinion, he’s the strongest Marine right now
What are you yapping about?! Take note that: - Garp galaxy impact is weaker (He stated it himself) meaning that HE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PRIME GARP. - Garp is also mentally nerfed, what is that look after doing a blue hole?! - Marco getting hit by kizaru is due to marco having those sea prism cuffs on his legs, put the same cuffs on aokiji and he would lose his df abilities (he would lose his legs)
I puts him at top 5 on my list if we goes by power , narrative , match ups : Sakazuki (100) Mihawk ( 98 ) Kaido ( 97-99 ) Blackbeard ( 95 - 98 ) Kuzan ( 95 - 97 )
Old characters don't compare to their Prime selves as seen with Whitebeard and Garp has 2 Statements talking about how aging has affected his power that being his Canon Balls didn't fly as far or fast as they used to and after he did the INSANE GALAXY IMPACT he says that he's lost his touch and his prime self could likely do more. Imu's Arrow/Tail Attack probably has the Breath of All things and only intended to hurt Sabo or it affects Devil Fruit users differently OR KING COBRA HAS NO ANTIFEATS AND IS CRACKED.
Bro Blackbeard feared of old Rayleigh also , Rayleigh himself said he would loose of he fught Blackbeard. Similarly the case for kuzan just don't defend or scale based on that if you don't have any information lol
Nah Mihawk>kuzan mid-high dif Kuzan>old ray low-no dif Kuzan>Ben no dif Kuzan>zoro no dif Kuzan>other commander neg dif That's how I see it. slightly different than urs😊
Not trying to be funny, but I don’t really agree with everything that you just said . One. Aokiji only won aginst garb because he had help . Before that garb was actually winning.. and you was also wrong about Zoro high diff lucci . It was already clear that Zoro was actually holding back. And I also disagree with Beckman case . This is the same guy that even kizaru hesitate to fight . And it was already stated that his strength is comparable to that of shanks. Which means in many ways he’s more likely in many ways a yonko level
Garp was equal with kuzan with a normal punch and no acoc. While kuzan used a named attack. Garp knocked him out for a good amount of time with a throw the difference is clear
I feel like Garp did mention that he could've destroyed more with his Galaxy Impact implying that his attack power has decreased by a little. But Kuzan tanking those and not using his full awakening power shows that he could've beaten Garp and you could maybe even argue Kuzan vs Luffy would go either way because of Kuzan's durability and endurance.
the anime goes out of its way to show how weakened queen and king are . queen literally got too tired after firing 1 laster . king didnt have his flame on ... his entire stick
Only thing I’m calling bs on is “strength greater than garp” that wouldn’t make sense for his physical strength to be greater then that of GARP THE FIST and what statement shows he was MASSIVELY holding back and what’s to say garp wasn’t on top of the fact that even tho they keep physical strength what about other categories such as haki proficiency, speed, endurance and the number of heavy attacks they can throw out and how drained they would be even tho I agree that an admiral vs a 1st commader isnt close your video does hold a bit of bias and the reasoning for something’s stated is a lil off, Zoro wasn’t really serious when he faced Lucci and ended the fight in 1 attack it would make sense for him to still be standing due to him being an Awakened Zoan fruit Jimbe isn’t carrying him due to any injuries it’s because there in a hurry and trusting Zoro to make it back to the ship by himself is idiotic, either way your reasoning for the Rayleigh argument is dumb asl to comparing an old Rayleigh who clearly wouldn’t be as fast, as durable, or to have the same stamina in his prime and it’s not like Rayleigh’s goal there was to defeat Kizaru it was to stop him from getting to the straw hats being able to keep pace with the fastest character in the verse in his late 70’s, garp went down as quick due to being caught off guard and we don’t know how the clear clear fruit affect’s haki yet due to the fact that garp didn’t see him with observation and the fact that he was dealing with hoards upon hoards of pirates the other members of Blackbeards crew and Kuzan whom he’s in his 70’s and it’s not like he was actively using acoc why would he try to kill his former strudent who he practically raised all I’m saying is they had to jump a 77 year old man that wasn’t going all out, and I would hope kuzan would be able to hit an old and tired garp who was dealing with someone else
8:59 Agreed with the video but I take issue with the mindless Lucci slander. Oda has made it very clear that Lucci is very tough and resilient; his feats are deadass better than Alber’s. Zoro being stalled and put in a high-extreme diff fight by him doesn’t mean that Zoro was nerfed at all; Lucci was just that tough which I kept telling people. Zoro fans keep saying he was nerfed to cope for the fact that Zoro didn’t one-shot him and that he’s not like Luffy.
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf Zoro was serious, there’s no other way to interpret it. If Zoro was just that much stronger and wasn’t taking Lucci seriously(which he was) then he’s stupid for wasting time with someone that he should supposedly be much stronger than just for shits and giggles even though he’s on a time limit and needs to get back to the sunny. Also Zoro literally used king of hell with three swords and was breathing heavily; he was trying.
@Ghostface833 when have zoro ever been smart 💀💀 and zoro use king of hell at the start of the fight then used 2ss if u didn't pay attention, and then soon as sanji insulted him he use 3ss and one shot him and he didn't use koh or ashura u need too reread the manga💀💀😭
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf It’s not about being smart, it’s about common sense and character consistency, genius. It’s also more about battle IQ which Zoro does have. It doesn’t take rocket science to know this. Zoro isn’t going to intentionally do something that he knows would put the crew at risk for no reason. That would just be plot induced stupidity if that were the case and if what you are saying were to be true then it would be bad writing but it’s not true. Also Zoro didn’t one shot him. It took multiple attacks for Zoro to take down Lucci.
@Ghostface833 zoro did one shot him at the end. What was u watching? He used one attack at the end and he didn't even use koh to finish him u talking like the whole show supposed to be perfect it's gone be bad writing sometimes in an anime it's not gone always make sense it's not real life💀💀🤣🤣
yes they do. Sengoku an admiral was on par with Roger. Luffy needed gear 5 to beat kziaru just like he needed it to defeat Kaido. Regardless of Luffys Haki without gear 5 admirals will wreck him.
Blackbeard's number 2 is undoubtedly Shiryu. Shiryu vs Zoro is Zoro's final fight, it has to follow that Shiryu will eventually be the 2nd strongest. And I actually think Aokiji is operating independently, neither on Navy or BB's side. He has his own desires (actual justice)
I wouldn’t say Aokiji had an elemental disadvantage against magma Punk Hazard clearly was split evenly with magma and ice on each side Not to mention, Aokiji’s DF technically isn’t the ice ice fruit, it’s the chill chill fruit (which the correct translation of its japanese name) so his devil fruit could reach to absolute zero and would most likely freeze magma
Garp himself said he’s off his game so wym he had his prime strength…only advanced haki users would be able to stand up to kuzan admittedly I mean we all know kuzan ain’t fodder but he ain’t HIM👌🏽
This is how it goes warlord = 1st/2nd captain commander, < Admirals < Yonko 1 admiral vs 1 Yonko = Yonko 2 admirals vs 1 Yonko = Admirals 1 warlord vs Admiral = Admiral 3 warlords vs 1 admirals = Warlords There are exceptions to all of this, Mihawk => 1 admiral Kuma > most 1st commanders Ben beckmen > Kuma Akainu > most current Yonko Old Yonko over every admirals Zoro over half the warlords Simple 😮
Saying Old characters keeping their prime strength is such head canon bullshit. I don’t care about that one Q&A statement that’s patently against everything in the story regarding the old gen.
Also Blackbeard is generally scared of everybody from what we saw law basically 1 tapped Blackbeard then bepo no diffed most Blackbeards crew which is crazy
While I don't disagree with some of the power stuff and results of these fights I certainly do feel the need to point out the fact old characters do get weaker.
Bro watched two piece. When did aokiji faught garp one on one? It was the black beard pirates against garp whose purposely sacrificing himself for the new gen marines to escape. Dude left out important details just to glaze kuzan lol
7:59 common What you mean by " King has a week to recover" anime showed us that he is not recovered. Like argueing with the fact that was revealed in the anime is Stupid AF. King wasn't fresh, Quinn wasn't fresh and that is the fuct.
Blackbeard feared Kuzan is not that big of a deal. We can even make argument that S hawk is comparable to Blackbeard cuz BB look worried when he fought S Hawk. while S Hawk was worried whh]en he fought zoro😂 if using ur logic, we can even make argument that Zoro is stronger than BB since Zoro scared S hawk while S hawk scared BB. 😂
0:54 Bro Garp isnt in his prime anymore Theyre monsters But NOT as monsterous as they where in their prime and it is confirmed in the manga Rayleigh got weaker OP fans just cant accept that (Thanks to subreddit for the info)
@@Vertics_ bro what u talking about ? Jinbe carried Zoro because of time. It is high diff when U really use a lot of strength and get hurt. Not when " oo Lucci made drop zoro's sword " "Oo Zoro used haki against Lucci " Like WTF. Zoro vs King - it is high diff. Luffy vs Kaido - extreme diff.
I think he beats Zoro, mid diff. And Sabo extreme dif. I think we don’t know much about Sabo but we know don’t know about dragon either and I think we all know, dragon is one of the top 5 in the verse. Also Zoro just clashed ACOC with what looks like the strongest elder lol
well..first of all, Zoro is > Sabo And Aokiji is strugglin against Zoro like a mf i got Aokiji winnin But if Hybrid Kaido couldn't "react" to 30broken bones pre ACoC Ashura Zoro... Healthy ACoC Ashura Zoro gon take the one leg that Aokiji has left
I don’t know if Ben Beckmann is a for sure win for akoji. Isn’t it stated that his power is close to shanks that statement is enough. Cause we know he’s not beating shanks
That statement is iffy, it’s more saying it’s comparable in the sense of zoro to luffy. When Oda directly says things are comparable it kinda confuses the power scaling community. For example, Oda said vista is equal to skill than Mihawk. It’s also confirmed Mihawk skill> shanks. So if vista skill is = to Mihawk it would be above shanks. You have to consider Oda isn’t a power scaler any more he used to be for a bit.
Bro is admiral meat gobbling I agree Kuzan beats every commander and extreme diffs prime Rayleigh. But garp was definitely not as strong as he used to be as said multiple times.
Yes it’s not crazy to say there are several statements to back the admirals being stronger then those old gen guys as well. Don’t let tiktok and Instagram scaling cloud ur mind. They tarnished the admirals name completely where this isn’t crazy at all to say when u think about it but bc of the massive downplay the community puts on the them, the admirals get no respect. Akainu and aokiji especially are TOP TOP tiers
@@Vertics_ fair enough yes but correct me if I'm wrong but are you trying to say that Aokiji and akainu are stronger than prime garp and Roger?? Let's forget about all the scaling from Tik Tok and the rest but is that what you mean
Its not he couldnt keep down a luffy he wanted to see how far luffy could go kat is boxing wit kuzan he might still lose but its not a stomp as u implied
You missed one... Buggy’s right-hand-man, Mihawk
Hahaha! That just put the whole video in check.
I mean its still not close it just so happens to also be in mihawks favour
Mihawk is WSS, just means he is stronger with the sword. Being WSS doesnt make u strongest in the verse.
@@SoyBoy-f9eMihawk is definitely above every admiral Akainu included
people STILL overhyping mihawk when on his very introduction he told luffy that becoming the pirate king is a greater challenge than surpassing him.
Faulty premise; every old character in one piece complains about their age. Rayleigh admits he cannot fight Blackbeard anymore, therefore old characters do not keep their strength.
They keep their strength but have shit stamina and endurance
@_General_Grievous__ there is evidence that they do NOT keep their strength, specifically Whitebeard. There is no evidence of any old character "keeping" their strength look at Whitebeard, Big Mom, Rayleigh, Perospero, Crocus, Don Chinjao, Buckingham Stussy. On the other hand, stamina is synonymous with endurance, so listing that twice is redundant; also the story of one piece never classifies character strength or endurance as 2 separate variables for fighting but has quantified strength and endurance together. Luffy has been shown to depelete "Haki"(versus Doflamingo), and had been shown to take a nap from having no strength/stamina (versus Crocodile round 3).
@_General_Grievous__ So, old beard who clashed with Shanks was as strong as Prime Beard. ur delusional, and garp says he's not as strong as he used to be when he used galaxy impact😂😂
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf Thank you, using your example prime Whitebeards' clash with Roger got to the point where their swords don't even touch, yet old Whitebeard can't manage the same feat with either a one armed Shanks or Akainu.
@@brond.8009wb split the sky with shanks
Garp didn't keep his prime strength he even said it after he used galaxy impact and said it again when he was throwing cannon balls at luffy😂😂💀
Fr like he just purposely ignored that
He also keeps saying Garp lost to Kuzan like he wasn’t fighting off the entirety of BB’s crew. The most damage done to Garp came from Shiryu not Kuzan lmfao.
So what? This old garp is still beating all yonko commanders so whats your point?
@-_pro-_-nab_-777 If u watched the video, you'll know my point💀💀🤦♂️
@@BeastBoy557 stopped watching the video after 2 minutes because of that too. Dude just conveniently leaves out points which don’t fit his agenda.
Zoro getting carried by Jinbe isnt because of his Lucci fight. He'd get lost
Hes biased
Garp legit says he wasn’t as powerful when he used that galaxy impact
blackbeard is scared to fight literally everyone except law for some reason
Cuz his crew is weak of course. I doubt if law was the captain of the straw hats or the red haired pirates that black beard would attack
He isnt scared he just follow his plans
@@1tonyjaa literally just looking at his face proves this comment wrong
😂😂@@flaminpirates💀
@@ngockjunior848 Black Beard currently has the strongest yonko crew. His crew was split in 3 different places but was able to beat the Heart pirates, beat Garp and get the marines he came with running, and has other members still in places we don't know. He did all this with his crew not going all out and Aokiji mentally holding back his ice.
I am amazed people are putting admirals at the same level as yc1. That is insulting
And that’s a insulting to put the admiral at the same level as the yonko
@@rtx9430 for admirals, since they are stronger then yonko
@@maliksoltukiev
Delusional
Yeah pro admirals are so duuuuuuumb aokiji level yonko. The big joke
@@rtx9430 only admirals or former admirals i see thay have a chance against a yonko is aokiji and akainu
First of all i agree with you on about kuzan cooking all the 1yc. My only nitpick is like your kuzan vs garp scaling, yeah kuzan was holding back 100%. But garp was holding back the same way. He used 3 named attacks that arc and only used 1 against kuzan. He was speedblitzing kuzan twice one being right after getting weakened by shiryuu. And clashed equally with kuzan after getting stab by shiryuu too. If he was really serious at fighting kuzan he whould be hitting him with galaxy impact and divine doing insane damage beacuse them attacks are potienally acoc attacks. So i whould not say kuzan vs garp was really a serious fight like that beacuse of there connection. But great video ❤
Garp was definitely not holding back
He was literally telling Kuzan,wavering is for the weak
Although he was injured so…yeah he wasn’t at full strength
He had to. Only used one named attack on kuzan@@Gravity_Ws_only
@@Gravity_Ws_only wavering is for the weak while he was fighting his former student.
@@faith4657 by the time he threw the first punch he was firm on saving Koby at all costs even if it means killing Kuzan
@@Gravity_Ws_onlyno garp wavered a lot in that fight…he did not hit kuzan with any killing blows, he said that to kuzan to build his own resolve along with Muzak’s bcz they had to clash…he was mentally trying to prepare himself and was basically affirming to kuzan that he should also aim for the kill bcz only 1 can survive yet non of them threw killing blows.
Tell me one character from the entire series that was able to one shot a yonko crew in a second. Its kuzan
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@@emirLonelyone shot 3 people
Akainu at marineford
me
A 3rd commander crew…
My opinion on admirals have never changed. Above every first commander but beneath a yonko
Akainu is stronger than all yonkos(old whitebeard, luffy, blackbeard,big mom, buggy) but below kaido only.
@@abhishekdas8313 Terrible take
scaling Kuzan to Prime Garp in any way is absolute madness.
Nuh uh
@@BROOKISTHEGOATyuh uh
@@ThedreadrogueYT Nga what brought you here?
It should be a crime to scale any admiral to against prime garp 😂🐐🐐
Fr most people won't even put Shanks or Kaido over PrimeGarp/Roger.
I know admiral get's disrespected in the community but this is just overhyping them to the moon.
Akainu is definitely Top Tier along with Shanks Dragon Mihawk rn. Kuzan a beat below.
But there's no way Fuji or Greenbull can beat Yonko. They can give a good fight though. High diff.
My guy came up with the video title first then tried to came up with excuses.
When he doesn’t have any evidence that a character is stronger that Aokiji : Beckman , Reigligh he says there is no feat or statement that proves that.
What a joke !
90% of your argument of Aokiji strength is from a 10 second clip freezing a biscuit man and black beard being a coward
also fighting akainu for 10 days straight the same akainu thats was putting the works on whitebeard and its his weakness
Beckman was too much of a coward to stop Kizaru from firing his jewels of light at Luffy, and current Rayleigh was sweating from just fighting a Kizaru that wasn't trying. His points are valid.
@@izayasaychow4002 Beckmen is nearly strong as shanks in other stats, not as that close in haki or speed. No other marines or higher ups didn''t notice him come up beside kizaru, he just appeared once shanks did and to mention another 1st commander is mihawk, the person who went on par with shanks during his old times, rayleigh can just stall and pop up on him as he isn't just stupid if he knows someone is stronger (Kid was one-shotted by shanks, I doubt beckmen would lose quickly) they got this, aokiji just doesn't a chance at all if they fought all at once.
I would say that Garp in their fight was stronger. Aokiji could not do anything to him and it was a fight between him and the entire crew minus a couple titanic captains. Rayleigh was sweating as an old man who is 30 yrs his senior. Both garp and Rayleigh stated that they aren’t as strong as they used to be both in pre and post. As far as zoro, we do not know if aoc has the same touching of the subtle body that armament has. Kuzan is not as durable as king or kaidou. His devil fruit is what makes him have durability feats. By your logic he would be stronger than Roger and whitebeard since they only fought for 3 days when they meet and he got oden to join his crew. I would agree he could beat the current garp & Rayleigh, I doubt he would beat them in their primes. He is weak to fire and we seen his attacks get melted by ace and he lost to akainu who uses a fire based df. It would come down to haki and we know sabo uses advanced armament too. Nothing is conclusive to say that he could beat sabo who has a df type advantage.
bruh zoro aint beating kuzan yet this isnt a discussion, prime garp>kuzan high diff uhhh wankleigh is a toss up imo, sabo is weaker than aokiji but due to elemental matchup as shown by ace-kuzan clash the fight could be interesting
i would say kuzan takes it mid diff cus he outstats sabo overall however sabo js as benn wankman strength is up in the air so who knows could be higher
Fuck are you talking about? Kuzan won.
You are saying it comes down to haki? Name me one notable observation feat for Sabo? Aokiji demonstrated advanced observation by avoiding a haki coated attack from Whitebeard (Whitebeard's bisento was able to touch Akainu, a logia user's foot) and is was not afraid of trading punches using color of arms haki against Garp who was using conquerors, he also takes nearly every physical stat.. and as for the devil fruit weaknesses, we can reason that quake is a much greater weakness for Kuzan than fire and yet he still confronted WB and Blackbeard just fine, Wuzan Slams
Just because Kuzan has the df disadvantage against Sabo doesn't mean Sabo would win. Him being able to go 10 days with Akainu despite being at a major disadvantage should tell you that. Akainu's magma is way more powerful than Sabo's fire, and Kuzan holding his own for 10 days against magma should tell you that Sabo isn't on that level yet
Just when I was thinking the admiral glazing couldn’t get any worse.
Never let bro cook.
I can dispute this with 2 facts.
1. Pre time skip rock papers scissors logic. In pre time skip era one piece where Haki wasnt as center stage the devil fruits power generally determined the outcome. Example is Crocodile one shot cutting Akainu in half with one attack where he killed ace one shot whitebeard commanders and crippled Aokiji because Magma doesn't really affect sand. The same applies with Marco or Sabo vs Aokiji.
2. Its heavily implied garp holding back against Aokiji and Aokiji being a sleeper agent in the Blackbeard pirates confirmed by both Jesus Burgees Blackbeard and the rest being suspicious of Aokiji joining the Blackbeard pirates. It wasn't really revealed how Aokiji took down Garp because it happened off screen but even there its heavily implied that the rest of the Blackbeard pirates chipped in as they did vs whitebeard when Blackbeard lost. But Going off this logic pre time skip luffy beat garp so pre time skip luffy>roger and shanks
Garp said he lost his punch
But the last bit of the video about kuzan being stronger than Roger no way bro😂😂
Fr this is getting out of hand lol Prime Garp/Roger >Kuzan High diff.
Admiral fans prolly thinks Greenbull can go Extreme diff with Prime Garp/Roger lol. It's a mid diff.
The video is very biased over the fact that Old Garp is almost similar to his prime which is definitely not the case as after Galaxy impact Garp said " He's Completely Weakened" (Japanese raw literal translation). Also during Water 7.
With regard to Lucci vs Zoro, did anyone notice Zoro didn't even bother to whip out his third sword? I think Zoro was trolling Lucci. He probably spent the entire time whispering treasonous thoughts in his ear, trying to break his loyalty to the WG.
Great video keep the work on 👍👍👍👍
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I'm really on the fence about the old people keeping their prime strength. Rayleigh said he can't beat blackbeard cause he was old and whitebeard basically had stage 4 cancer and a heart attack with no meds. he also couldnt use his haki properly so there is no way he was in his prime. Even if you argue its just in terms of physical strength and their stamina is just worse, that still means theyre stronger in their prime because they would have been able to fight longer and use their full power longer. maybe im just yapping, but thats just my perspective on the argument. Great video all together though.
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They definitely do get some what weaker as they get older maybe not to the degree in real life. Because sengoku seems to instantly retire after losing his prime and getting gray hair most likely signifying the loss of power
The admirals were stated to be the strongest force of the military even back than multiple times by the way
@@Vertics_ ik I was just arguing garp isn’t at his prime strength anymore
@@Vertics_are u saying admiral over fleet admiral???😭😭💀
12:10 i mean i'd be sweating too if i was fighting the literal sun? Shit's hot 😂
You missed Rocks right hand man 💀
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That carti in the back🔥
That beat hitting!!!🔥🔥
I agree with you except with the Garp fight because Garp noticed that galaxy impact was not as strong as it was when he was younger, so Garbon knew that he wasn’t at his strongest Kuzan was holding back but so was Garp Garp trained Kizan and is his former student you can’t tell me that he was going all out plus he fought all the other commanders while fighting Kuzan even Akainu would struggle against all that and in my opinion, he’s the strongest Marine right now
1:10 they jumped a 80 year old man
bro all shiryu did was finish him off
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Kuzan would have won regardless
What are you yapping about?!
Take note that:
- Garp galaxy impact is weaker (He stated it himself) meaning that HE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE PRIME GARP.
- Garp is also mentally nerfed, what is that look after doing a blue hole?!
- Marco getting hit by kizaru is due to marco having those sea prism cuffs on his legs, put the same cuffs on aokiji and he would lose his df abilities (he would lose his legs)
I puts him at top 5 on my list if we goes by power , narrative , match ups :
Sakazuki (100)
Mihawk ( 98 )
Kaido ( 97-99 )
Blackbeard ( 95 - 98 )
Kuzan ( 95 - 97 )
Mihawk (100)
Akainu (99)
Kaido (98-99)
BB (95)
Kuzan (97-98)
Mihawk (120)
Akainu (100)
Kuzan (98)
Kaido (96)
BB (90)
That's how I see it
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf Mihawk is that much stronger than akainu ?
@dripthanos2703 That's how I see it, but that just me. I thought we were stating our opinion🤔
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf yeah 👍
Yo, Vertics can you do a video about Katakuri vs Sanji cuz I've been seeing many people debating about this.
Sanji no joking one taps him
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Rayleigh legit said in his state right now he can’t be Blackbeard
Old characters don't compare to their Prime selves as seen with Whitebeard and Garp has 2 Statements talking about how aging has affected his power that being his Canon Balls didn't fly as far or fast as they used to and after he did the INSANE GALAXY IMPACT he says that he's lost his touch and his prime self could likely do more.
Imu's Arrow/Tail Attack probably has the Breath of All things and only intended to hurt Sabo or it affects Devil Fruit users differently OR KING COBRA HAS NO ANTIFEATS AND IS CRACKED.
surprised you only at 1k subs 😭
Old people definitely lose their strength in one piece, you took it wrongly from what Oda said
Bro Blackbeard feared of old Rayleigh also , Rayleigh himself said he would loose of he fught Blackbeard. Similarly the case for kuzan just don't defend or scale based on that if you don't have any information lol
Can Kuzan catapult his ship up in the air?😂
W here’s how he does in my opinion
Mihawk>=kuzan
Kuzan>ray low-mid diff
Kuzan>ben no diff
Kuzan>zoro neg diff
Kuzan>anyone else one shot
Cyanduck always having the most based takes, Common W
Can't one shot king but still low diffs him
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Nah
Mihawk>kuzan mid-high dif
Kuzan>old ray low-no dif
Kuzan>Ben no dif
Kuzan>zoro no dif
Kuzan>other commander neg dif
That's how I see it. slightly different than urs😊
I hope the real reason Aokiji joined the blackbeard pirates is so he can freeze the ocean over blackbeard if he ever falls in the water.
Garp did not keep his prime strength that’s a blatant lie. He said after galaxy impact. When did I get so weak.
Wouldn't be surprised if Aokiji one shots any first commander, maybe except Zoro and Marco
Not trying to be funny, but I don’t really agree with everything that you just said . One. Aokiji only won aginst garb because he had help . Before that garb was actually winning.. and you was also wrong about Zoro high diff lucci . It was already clear that Zoro was actually holding back. And I also disagree with Beckman case . This is the same guy that even kizaru hesitate to fight . And it was already stated that his strength is comparable to that of shanks. Which means in many ways he’s more likely in many ways a yonko level
Garp was equal with kuzan with a normal punch and no acoc. While kuzan used a named attack. Garp knocked him out for a good amount of time with a throw the difference is clear
I feel like Garp did mention that he could've destroyed more with his Galaxy Impact implying that his attack power has decreased by a little. But Kuzan tanking those and not using his full awakening power shows that he could've beaten Garp and you could maybe even argue Kuzan vs Luffy would go either way because of Kuzan's durability and endurance.
the anime goes out of its way to show how weakened queen and king are . queen literally got too tired after firing 1 laster . king didnt have his flame on ... his entire stick
Manga showed King with no bandages and the original source material should always be used when scaling.
The anime changes a lot of things, just look at Vertic's Marineford video, which came out two days ago
@@Roman-fj9my did he use flames ?
@@faceagain5703 Manga he's already defeated so no way of telling.
Either way it makes no sense for him to not be able to use his flames.
Only thing I’m calling bs on is “strength greater than garp” that wouldn’t make sense for his physical strength to be greater then that of GARP THE FIST and what statement shows he was MASSIVELY holding back and what’s to say garp wasn’t on top of the fact that even tho they keep physical strength what about other categories such as haki proficiency, speed, endurance and the number of heavy attacks they can throw out and how drained they would be even tho I agree that an admiral vs a 1st commader isnt close your video does hold a bit of bias and the reasoning for something’s stated is a lil off, Zoro wasn’t really serious when he faced Lucci and ended the fight in 1 attack it would make sense for him to still be standing due to him being an Awakened Zoan fruit Jimbe isn’t carrying him due to any injuries it’s because there in a hurry and trusting Zoro to make it back to the ship by himself is idiotic, either way your reasoning for the Rayleigh argument is dumb asl to comparing an old Rayleigh who clearly wouldn’t be as fast, as durable, or to have the same stamina in his prime and it’s not like Rayleigh’s goal there was to defeat Kizaru it was to stop him from getting to the straw hats being able to keep pace with the fastest character in the verse in his late 70’s, garp went down as quick due to being caught off guard and we don’t know how the clear clear fruit affect’s haki yet due to the fact that garp didn’t see him with observation and the fact that he was dealing with hoards upon hoards of pirates the other members of Blackbeards crew and Kuzan whom he’s in his 70’s and it’s not like he was actively using acoc why would he try to kill his former strudent who he practically raised all I’m saying is they had to jump a 77 year old man that wasn’t going all out, and I would hope kuzan would be able to hit an old and tired garp who was dealing with someone else
Bro did not cook 😂
8:59 Agreed with the video but I take issue with the mindless Lucci slander. Oda has made it very clear that Lucci is very tough and resilient; his feats are deadass better than Alber’s. Zoro being stalled and put in a high-extreme diff fight by him doesn’t mean that Zoro was nerfed at all; Lucci was just that tough which I kept telling people. Zoro fans keep saying he was nerfed to cope for the fact that Zoro didn’t one-shot him and that he’s not like Luffy.
But as soon as zoro got serious he one shot him and that fight was mid dif zoro didn't use his full power form most of the fight he mostly used 2ss
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf Zoro was serious, there’s no other way to interpret it. If Zoro was just that much stronger and wasn’t taking Lucci seriously(which he was) then he’s stupid for wasting time with someone that he should supposedly be much stronger than just for shits and giggles even though he’s on a time limit and needs to get back to the sunny. Also Zoro literally used king of hell with three swords and was breathing heavily; he was trying.
@Ghostface833 when have zoro ever been smart 💀💀 and zoro use king of hell at the start of the fight then used 2ss if u didn't pay attention, and then soon as sanji insulted him he use 3ss and one shot him and he didn't use koh or ashura u need too reread the manga💀💀😭
@@QuentonGriffin-he3qf It’s not about being smart, it’s about common sense and character consistency, genius. It’s also more about battle IQ which Zoro does have. It doesn’t take rocket science to know this. Zoro isn’t going to intentionally do something that he knows would put the crew at risk for no reason. That would just be plot induced stupidity if that were the case and if what you are saying were to be true then it would be bad writing but it’s not true. Also Zoro didn’t one shot him. It took multiple attacks for Zoro to take down Lucci.
@Ghostface833 zoro did one shot him at the end. What was u watching? He used one attack at the end and he didn't even use koh to finish him u talking like the whole show supposed to be perfect it's gone be bad writing sometimes in an anime it's not gone always make sense it's not real life💀💀🤣🤣
And he fought garp after Garp had already beat everybody’s ass
Admirals = Yonko
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yes they do. Sengoku an admiral was on par with Roger. Luffy needed gear 5 to beat kziaru just like he needed it to defeat Kaido. Regardless of Luffys Haki without gear 5 admirals will wreck him.
I wonder where you found the source for Aokiji one shotting Cracker. Could it be using anime only elements? Of course not😅
Looks like you're still in dressrosa, lil bro.
U have the most bias agena piece scaling😂
too harsh on Rayleigh
Give bro more views
Ben Beckman would make Aokiji work for it.. either way it’s a high diff fight maybe extreme for the winner.
Admiral is the power house of the Navy. How could Aokiji lose?
Blackbeard's number 2 is undoubtedly Shiryu. Shiryu vs Zoro is Zoro's final fight, it has to follow that Shiryu will eventually be the 2nd strongest.
And I actually think Aokiji is operating independently, neither on Navy or BB's side. He has his own desires (actual justice)
I wouldn’t say Aokiji had an elemental disadvantage against magma
Punk Hazard clearly was split evenly with magma and ice on each side
Not to mention, Aokiji’s DF technically isn’t the ice ice fruit, it’s the chill chill fruit (which the correct translation of its japanese name) so his devil fruit could reach to absolute zero and would most likely freeze magma
Garp himself said he’s off his game so wym he had his prime strength…only advanced haki users would be able to stand up to kuzan admittedly I mean we all know kuzan ain’t fodder but he ain’t HIM👌🏽
If Aokiji had the same physical strength as prime Garp, there would've been no chance of him losing to lava boy and he would've been fleet admiral.
We still don’t know how akainu won this fight and matter of a fact, if he lost to akainu then akainu is above prime Garp too
This is how it goes warlord = 1st/2nd captain commander, < Admirals < Yonko
1 admiral vs 1 Yonko = Yonko
2 admirals vs 1 Yonko = Admirals
1 warlord vs Admiral = Admiral
3 warlords vs 1 admirals = Warlords
There are exceptions to all of this, Mihawk => 1 admiral
Kuma > most 1st commanders
Ben beckmen > Kuma
Akainu > most current Yonko
Old Yonko over every admirals
Zoro over half the warlords
Simple 😮
Aokiji cant beat Buggys right hand, Mihawk
Saying Old characters keeping their prime strength is such head canon bullshit. I don’t care about that one Q&A statement that’s patently against everything in the story regarding the old gen.
Also Blackbeard is generally scared of everybody from what we saw law basically 1 tapped Blackbeard then bepo no diffed most Blackbeards crew which is crazy
op be like -Aokiji won against global warming😂😂😂
Admiral Agenda is strong with this one
W vid but I feel you didn't do much justice to Zoro and katakuri
While I don't disagree with some of the power stuff and results of these fights I certainly do feel the need to point out the fact old characters do get weaker.
I agree with a lot other than you.Trying to justify him throwing harder punches than garp just because they trained together
Zoro giving aokiji a high diff fight💀 especially with his ap if aokiji gets hit he not brushing it off
Aokiji blitz
Only one that would even make kuzan worry a little bit is zoro and shiryuu.
Fax and zoro low diff
Glad to see another member of the admiral agenda
Didn't garp mentioned that his punches got weaker after he used galaxy impact?
He didn't donut garp garp rescinded a fatal wound saving koby and still match him
Admiral glazed
Da
Bro watched two piece. When did aokiji faught garp one on one? It was the black beard pirates against garp whose purposely sacrificing himself for the new gen marines to escape. Dude left out important details just to glaze kuzan lol
1:00 WOW unbelievable mental gymnastics only 1 minute into the video. L
@@bubalfred260 I showed u the verbatim evidence and u still say no keep coping lil buddy
@@Vertics_ Fr bro. Keep cooking man. Forget about these clowns
Kuzan hasn’t been confirmed to be a advance coc user so his punches aren’t on par with garp don’t troll like that man
Whitebeard is 2nd in command for rocks
7:59 common What you mean by " King has a week to recover" anime showed us that he is not recovered. Like argueing with the fact that was revealed in the anime is Stupid AF. King wasn't fresh, Quinn wasn't fresh and that is the fuct.
Blackbeard feared Kuzan is not that big of a deal. We can even make argument that S hawk is comparable to Blackbeard cuz BB look worried when he fought S Hawk. while S Hawk was worried whh]en he fought zoro😂 if using ur logic, we can even make argument that Zoro is stronger than BB since Zoro scared S hawk while S hawk scared BB. 😂
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Stupid ahh logic bro this guy needs to stop making OP vids lol
0:54 Bro Garp isnt in his prime anymore Theyre monsters But NOT as monsterous as they where in their prime and it is confirmed in the manga Rayleigh got weaker OP fans just cant accept that
(Thanks to subreddit for the info)
Where is Mihawk??
He forgot but mihawk slams extreme diff
Prime garp and Rayleigh slam aokiji
8:51 high diff ahahahah wtf. It was solid low-midd diff
U don’t low diff someone and get carried out the battle after lol
@@Vertics_ bro what u talking about ? Jinbe carried Zoro because of time. It is high diff when U really use a lot of strength and get hurt. Not when " oo Lucci made drop zoro's sword " "Oo Zoro used haki against Lucci " Like WTF. Zoro vs King - it is high diff. Luffy vs Kaido - extreme diff.
@@Vertics_ Zoro vs Pika took even more chapters than Zoro vs Lucci. But it doesn't mean that Zoro vs Pika high diff.
Can you do a king vs Katakuri
This guy it has always been said said Rayleigh was as strong as Roger. No way bikini would beat him
I think he beats Zoro, mid diff. And Sabo extreme dif. I think we don’t know much about Sabo but we know don’t know about dragon either and I think we all know, dragon is one of the top 5 in the verse. Also Zoro just clashed ACOC with what looks like the strongest elder lol
Dont make a gauntlet video again kuzan glazer😂😂😂
Kuzan is not stronger than prime Garp/roger but regardless of that I think kuzan is closer to yonko strength than yc1
Yo, do you think sanji gonna fight aokiji as his BB pirate matchup? would love to see it
Fire vs Ice would be really badass ngl
Aokiji will die ... Theory : Lafitte will found out that aokiji is working under dragon as a spy. It will be oakiji Vs BB pirates!
what song is that at the end?
well..first of all, Zoro is > Sabo
And Aokiji is strugglin against Zoro like a mf
i got Aokiji winnin
But if Hybrid Kaido couldn't "react" to 30broken bones pre ACoC Ashura Zoro...
Healthy ACoC Ashura Zoro gon take the one leg that Aokiji has left
I don’t know if Ben Beckmann is a for sure win for akoji. Isn’t it stated that his power is close to shanks that statement is enough. Cause we know he’s not beating shanks
That statement is iffy, it’s more saying it’s comparable in the sense of zoro to luffy. When Oda directly says things are comparable it kinda confuses the power scaling community. For example, Oda said vista is equal to skill than Mihawk. It’s also confirmed Mihawk skill> shanks. So if vista skill is = to Mihawk it would be above shanks. You have to consider Oda isn’t a power scaler any more he used to be for a bit.
Kuzan destroys all yc1 commanders
Bro is admiral meat gobbling I agree Kuzan beats every commander and extreme diffs prime Rayleigh. But garp was definitely not as strong as he used to be as said multiple times.
Cook, Kuzan or every admiral are too much commanders.
Are you trying to say that kuzan is physically strong than prime garp??
Yes it’s not crazy to say there are several statements to back the admirals being stronger then those old gen guys as well. Don’t let tiktok and Instagram scaling cloud ur mind. They tarnished the admirals name completely where this isn’t crazy at all to say when u think about it but bc of the massive downplay the community puts on the them, the admirals get no respect. Akainu and aokiji especially are TOP TOP tiers
@@Vertics_ fair enough yes but correct me if I'm wrong but are you trying to say that Aokiji and akainu are stronger than prime garp and Roger?? Let's forget about all the scaling from Tik Tok and the rest but is that what you mean
@@Vertics_ Or are you saying that Aokiji and akainu are stronger than a prime white Beard?
While kuzan does solo all the yonko commanders except Mihawk, just say you're an admiral fan lol, most bs powerscaling video I've seen by far
Mihawk >= Aokiji > prime ray > ben beckman > Yamato > zoro > sanji > old ray > Marco > king > queen > midkuri > midryu
Its not he couldnt keep down a luffy he wanted to see how far luffy could go kat is boxing wit kuzan he might still lose but its not a stomp as u implied