i was literally discussing this with my brother last night telling him the animators are literally admiral haters and then i got this video in my feed today💀💯
2:53 the problem with this is that it is stated by Garp,releigh and Whtebeard in story they don't have the strength they used to have. which contradicts this SBS. since it is also by the Author of the series.
It could just mean he wants to portray the elderly where they don’t lose *all* of their strength in old age (Garp having half his prime strength would still be an absurd amount for example vs irl where most people his age have way less than half their strength then when they were in their own respective primes plus have a bunch of other age related issues) so this statement could still stay consistent with what the manga says directly. Also remember when translating Japanese to English there’s high potential for the nuance of certain things to be lost, there’s a good chance Oda intended to mean something similar to what I said here but it was simply just translated differently.
Garp said when throwing his canon balls that they didn’t fly half as fast So prime Garp’s strength is over two times more than pre timeskip Garp who then doesn’t fight again from Marineford till Kuzan But Kuzan fights and haki blooms off of Akainu,fights BM pirates and BB pirates
Garp was still confirmed by Oda to be at least close to his prime, Rayleigh is just lacking in the stamina depertment and Whitebeard is also really sick not just old, similar to Garp who also snacks all the time and no longer trains
2:55 I wonder if Oda decided to make Garp the exception as almost every panel we have of Garp in any combative form is that he constantly refers to himself as being weaker normally around half as strong.
Dude the entire Marineford saga was about the end of Newgate and his legend and the transition from an old and stable era to a new and chaotic one represented by Blackbeard. He was far from being the strongest at the time, he admitted it himself when Crocodile trashed him after being stabbed by Squardo (litteraly said I can't stay the strongest forever), even Marco said that he should have normally dodged that with ease, a title isn't absolute, if no one challenged him for it then he keeps his reputation wich seems to be the case 2 years ago when the yonkou were silently doing their thing without ever trying to get involved in each other's stuff... I mean honestly even people like Yamato or Zoro could have clashed with him at that point. Without being able to use conqueror's haki, with his unstable health and his decrease in terms of fruit mastery (Teach being able to do better that him after just eating the fruit), Kaido, Shanks, Teach, Luffy or even Big Mom would have beaten this dude with relative ease. Plus we need to contextualize Whitebeard's loss. I mean litteraly the entire navy force tried to beat this dude, it took hundreds of bullets and swords strikes, dozens of canon balls, a special wall that could negate his fruit and protect the soldiers, attacks from the 3 admirals, and the treason of his own son who litteraly pierced him in the heart and caused him to have an heart attack a few moments after (but no it didn't affect him because I interpreted litteraly a passage of Newgate saying it didn't do anything to reassure his son and his crew, yeah Akainu will take time bullshiting and manipulating a pirate for an action that will have no importance lol), and despite all of this, he ringed out Akainu and was on the verge of killing Teach before the Blackbeard crew all jumped him with relentless attacks. Oda wanted to make the reader understand that despite his bad state, he was still an exception on this battlefield, an anomaly, a monster. And I think that this is the main difference between admirals and yonkous. While admirals are excellent fighters pushed to the peak of strenght by hard work and broken devil fruit, yonkous are natural born monsters who lived their life fighting constantly against people as strong as them, not knowing if they would still be able to live tomorrow. During their career they weren't protected and supported by a whole system with possible reinforcments and shit, they created their empire with their own strenght, working for nobody but themselves. And I think that's why Oda didn't give Aokiji, Kizaru, Fujitora or Greenbull conqueror's haki, they are just followers submitted to a system or someone else's will... And that's the main difference between admirals and yonkous, their abnormality : -Big mom was litteraly born nearly indestructible with incredible strenght, capable of defeating Elbaf warriors like ants, the potential of a fleet admiral at 5. -Kaido's battle prowess as a fucking child were so incredible that the navy excluded Kaido's country from heavenly tribute, something thet never happened before, in exchange for Kaido. -Shanks conqueror's haki is so incredibly strong that even an admiral can end up paralyzed, sweating and screaming out of pain, even Marco himself pointed out that Shanks conqueror's haki was monstruous, and we're talking about a dude who knew Roger, Newgate, Kaido, Big Mom... -Blackbeard broke the only rule of One Piece wich is the limitation to one devil fruit, and this dude took 2 of the strongest, one that can absorb everything and another that can destroy everything. -Luffy is the reincarnation of a fucking god and a prophecy hero or something, he litteraly doesn't respond to the laws of physics. -The Navy thinks that Buggy was able to submit Crocodile and Mihawk, so he's an anomaly in their eyes... Without even bringing the Ryokugyu humiliation on the table, the recent interactions between Luffy and Kizaru should tell us everything. Yeah Luffy gassed out, but like he said himself he took most of the damages when he passed the barrier two times (that's not me but his words) in gear 4th, so the biggest of the damage wasn't the admiral's doing, when he used gear 5th Kizaru litteraly couldn't even damaged him and was taken out in one hit before Luffy gassed out, a complete domination of a Kizaru refusing to fight Luffy head on and being one shotted when he tried by shooting a lazer at his enemy. Then when Luffy became serious against Kizaru and Saturn he just turned him into a pizza and the fight was mostly over, Kizaru couldn't do shit against gear 5th from begining to end, now do you remember how the fight between gear 5th and Kaido went ? Yeah that was an all out war where both sides took an incredible amount of damages and big shots, that's a fight between two yonkous, like how Kaido and Big Mom ended up allying because after an intense fight during an entire night one couldn't take the advantage on the other (and yeah you can cope saying that Kaido wasn't serious or shit, but nah, that doesn't make any sense regarding their will to kill each other at the start of the fight and the deep hatred and rresentment that the yonkous have for one another). In a pure 1vs1 situation an admiral can keep a yonkou occupied for some time, like Lucci did to Zoro or Who's who to Jinbei, or like whitebeard's commanders did to the admirals offscreen, some might even hurt or surprise a yonkou, but I can't see a world where even Akainu is beating someone like Luffy or Big Mom in a duel, and that's okay because individual strenght isn't really the point of the navy anyway. The 4 admirals, the control of a gigantic economic system that enables a colossal amount of human ressources and powerfull technologies that can basically beat any yonkou, that's the reason the navy is so dominant, because this is an hegemonic authority that have an unparalleled amount of funds and influence over the world...
Can't wait to see the embarassment You Feel When Oda Shows Admirals True Power , Kizaru got one shoted, Really?? you can see kizaru literally holding back, ever since he got introduced, he killed vegapunk and was depressed about about fighting his friends (bonny , sentomaru ) and Navy goal was to kill vegapunk and stop the voice broadcast, they weren't even taking luffy(luffy was unexpected in Egghead) seriously 😂 😂 bro read the chapters carefully, I don't know why you guys downplay admirals , There real strength is even revealed yet still you downplaying the head of the navy bro 🤣
@@SelfProClaimed_Psychic "Can't wait to see the embarassment You Feel When Oda Shows Admirals True Power " --> lol how can you be so deluded? Oda already proved many times how yonko are superior to admirals by far, yet you're sill not embarrassed and still claim "one day Oda will show the truth, one day" 🤣 Pro-yonko: facts Pro-admirals: One day... 🤣
Saying that wb was at his prime strength during marineford is just stupid, did you not read the manga? Multiple old legends have stated that they arent as strong as they were in their prime, rayleigh did, so did garp and wb. Youre just gonna ignore that?
So many people completely ignore the statement Jinbei made saying that under akainu's rule, the marines have become the strongest they've ever been. Stronger than when prime garp, prime tsuru, prime bogard, prime sengoku, prime kong, dragon, and the seven warlords were all apart of the navy. Im pretty damn sure that the vice admirals aren't the reason for this.
@@jasonmatthews52 Dude, we're in 2024. We know now the Marines are just a showcase for the WG. Sakazuki main job now is to find lobster for tenryubitos. Let Garling and the gorosei handle the situation when things become very serious.
@gontrandjojo9747 "We know now the marines are just a showcase for the WG" Even though all 5 Gorosei with CP0 couldn't do shit to stop the strawhats or Vegapunk's broadcast. These bum asses are Dragon/Revolutionary army victims lol.
To be fair that has just as much to do with his expansion of striking into the Redline, and over all strengthening the Navy with Vegapunks inventions. and recruiting powerful individuals into the Navy we did not see at Marineford like Fujitora and Greenbull.
Bro its legit not the same strength being sick defenetly reduces ur strength.Bro was mad injured.If Whitebeard was not sick id agree kinda his still has same strength.😤
A lot of issues with this take. First off, both Garp and Rayleigh have commented on their strength waning with age (Garp commenting on his Galaxy Impact, Rayleigh after his face off with Blackbeard). Second, while the SBS is useful, it’s important to prioritise the actual moments in the manga. I interpret that SBS response more so as a statement that the old generation aren’t weakling bc they’re old, but at the same time that doesn’t mean they’re as strong as they were in their prime. Third, you both heavily underplayed the significance of Whitebeard’s illness AND completely overlooked Akainu’s own initial cheapshot that took advantage of a mid battle heart attack (which was a result of said illness). All of this is just a messy way of putting Akainu near the top of the verse while putting a lot of other characters down unnecessarily. I get that the admiral slander can be frustrating but this is no better
@@chibkthe statement itself is describing their overall power which includes physical strength doesn’t take a rocket science to realize garp whitebeard and Rayleigh obviously aren’t as strong as they were when young.
I agree. I don't think Oda's statment literally ment they havent lost any strength. Its just that they are still strong, unlike In our world where a 70+ year old where its night and day.
People keep talking about WB "cheap shotting" Akainu, which is stupid by the way cause how can an old and not really the fastest moving dude managed to walk behind Akainu who had Advance Observation Haki (meaning, even without future sight, his normal haki should've been enough to see it. HECK he should've heard it). But they don't talk about Akainu cheap shotting WB who had a heart attack, meaning he was WAAAYYYY more defenceless than the behind the back attacked Akainu.
That sbs you showed of old people is wrong, the real translation said in my own short words, oda hates old people getting disrespected so he created a fantasy world where old people in general are still “relevant” and “could” beat strong young people
Anyone reading MF knows that WB pirates wouldnt last 5 minutes if the marines and warlords went all out. Only Akainu gave a fuck about WB while Kuzan, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk and the Warlords were just spectators.
Exactly, by the end the only admiral that was hurt was Akainu. Aokiji and Kizaru were still clean, Garp and Sengoku were just starting to fight and were holding BB and his whole crew. Meanwhile WB and Ace died, most of it by Akainu solo. And if the warlords actually fought together and all out, especially if mihawk did it, the war wouldve been over in no time. One yonko crew aint enough for the whole navy.
@@orbboom6119 too bad all the “fans” will always downplay the fuck out of the admirals in anything. Watched the show in 2 months and know more than half these ppl🤦♂️
Most One Piece fans have NEVER read Marineford, they only watched it. The admirals were literally trolling Kuzan and Borsalino were literally trolling WB and Sakazuki dispatched of him with 2 hits, it took 10 days to take down Kuzan of which he only managed to take his leg. Sakazuki then used one of WB's attacks to swim underground to reach Luffy faster then proceed to square up agaisnt WBs crew solo lol
All yonko still slam the admirals cope. Old dying WB couldn't even use base conquers lmao. Reminder Acoc >>>>>> muh magma fruit. Haki transcends all. DF merchants = fodder.
@@arin7776 we don't know how magma interacts with ACOC as no one has fought Akainu on screen, are you a One Piece fan or just someone who likes to stir the pot? BB ran from Akainu post time skip and was sweating when Kuzan was soloing his crew, Akainu scales above that. I personally have BB > BM but others see it the other way, regardless every admiral beats her apart from Issho and Aramki as they scale above g4 Luffy who stunlocked Kaido without future sight. BM is relative to base Kaido so she would've been pushed by that Luffy. Borsalino shits on a stronger version of g4 snakeman Luffy. This all happened in the manga, feats don't lie. Kuzan and Sakazuki are both stronger than Borsalino in my opinion also they have superior portrayal, with Sakazuki having the best portrayal of anyone in the series bar WB, Mihawk, Garp, Roger. As the manga showed. G5 Luffy > Borsalino > G4 Luffy > LinLin
@@arin7776ah yes, acoc > all. I guess base form Yamatos thunder bagua has higher ap than uranus according to Kaido's objective(no) opinion, you all hold so dear?
@@10clearr I literally support admirals in like 80% of comment sections. What u talking about. I literally said it's a high extreme diff fight. Do u actually believe kizaru beats Luffy....after wano ......after beating kaido. Now you're the one who's an admiral glazer. And that's coming from smn who defends admirals every day of the week
@@Mater_K , the only black blades that have been shown to us as the audience are Yoru and Shisui, but yes Whitebeard's Bisento is one of the 13 Supreme Grade Blade Swords.
@@Soulxe1 how do i not old character themselves know they got weaker💀 why would sengoku retire if he didnt get weaker. Rayleigh got weaker as well. Theres a reason it says prime or old theres a direct distinction💀.
@@Soulxe1 he says himself pre timeskip i cant throw these cannons as fast as i used to💀 meaning he got weaker to throe something fast u need hella strength
@@philemonkwakye5031 nga no one says they haven’t gotten overall weaker ofc they have. they just don’t lose their AP strength or DC. Garp made that statement laughing in a joking manner. You need more reading comprehension
I won't lie I have a admiral agenda but the admirals are still portrayed pretty strong. Kizaru was contending with Luffy and wasn't even trying to fight him. Only came out with minor injuries. More upset he popped his friend more than anything. I hope that's not too much copeiem.
this is crazy glaze, bro Akainus melted a marine he does not care about the people around him he went to kill Koby 2 and over half of MarineFord was destroyed they went all out to barely out class him
Whitebeard’s problem was not age. It was his sickness. Don’t get those two mixed up. Garp is old but garp is still healthy. That’s the difference. So yes, strength does not decline in one piece with age. Destructive capacity remains the same.
@@SuprotipOfficial Garp literally said his canons used to fly twice as fast, meaning he's half of his prime strength and also said he was disappointed at galaxy impact, meaning it was more devastating in his prime. Meaning, strength and AP do decrease by age. Stop ignoring these things to glaze you favourite characters.
@@Dracule18 Well, garp is in my top 5 favourite characters, so if I should be glazing anyone then it’s him. But facts are facts. With old age, one piece characters do get slower, perception gets weaker, haki gets weaker (if sick). But the strength they possessed remains the same as before. Oda literally said that himself. Other stats get weaker, but their destructive capacity doesn’t change lmao. Garp says that he is disappointed because that’s what his character has always been. Right after he says that, the others around that place call him out on his bullshit and say “are you kidding me?” It’s just garp’s way of joking around even after causing possibly the biggest one shot destruction ever. Please understand storytelling nuance. Every statement is not to be taken at face value.
@@SuprotipOfficial You didn’t even debunk what I said and made a headcanon that Garp was joking, he's just like that, bla bla bla. The characters being surprised doesn’t discredit his statement wtf. It Just goes to show how much of a beast he was in his prime. Even at old age, he caused so much destruction. Then Oda made him say he was disappointed just to give an idea that he was way more devastating in his prime. That is the storytelling here. "Garp was joking, Garp was lying" is a hard cope lmao. Stop misinterpreting it based on how it fits your agenda. And I see you're one of those people who at first brag that "this guy is my favourite character" and then proceed to downplay them. I've seen a lot of people like you. Oda said it A LONG TIME AGO! You think he writes his story based on what he says in an interview? If he says something, he's bound to be consistent with that forever and forbidden to change it? He literally contradicted himself by pointing out Garp's weakness due to old age TWICE! Garp admitted in post enies lobby that his physical strength used to be twice as much in his prime, directly contradicting Oda's statement in the sbs. And you just wanna put a blind eye to that or call it a joke or lie cause you got no counter argument. From where the hell are you even getting this DC and AP thing? Oda never mentioned these factors. He just said strength which he already contradicted. And we saw Garp's DC did decrease as he said he was disappointed at galaxy impact. "Every statement is not to be taken at face value" Oh yea? Who the hell are you to decide what statement matters and what statement doesn’t? Jimbei said that the marines are at their strongest in Akainu's rule. But so far, they've just been a disappointment. The og admirals are stronger than the current admirals. Garp has gotten weaker due to aging. Sengoku is also retired now. But you admiral glazers will still say that Jimbei statement is a fact just because it would upscale your favourite character "Papazuki". Only those statements that fit your agenda are meaningful to you and the ones that put a scar in your agenda are meaningless jokes.
@@Dracule18 Bruh the marines haven’t become useless at all lmao. Nobody is admiral glazing here. The only problem with the majority of the one piece community is that they can’t accept the fact that even the new gen characters are just as strong as the old gen characters in the same position if not more. Oda has always written one piece that way. I don’t even like sakazuki but it’s a fact that he is the strongest marine currently. And look at you getting all worked up and saying “who the hell are you to decide?” As if I ever decided. I’m voicing my opinion on a matter and that opinion is based on statements made by the author himself as well as statements made in the show. Oda did say that due to old age their other stats do go down and that is seen in most old characters, even garp. But their raw strength has always been relative to when they were in their prime. That’s how Oda has always written one piece. At least the way I see it. Not to disregard your opinion. But i don’t agree with your opinion. It’s only a matter of opinion because we don’t have hard facts/feats to discredit Sakazuki nor do we have any visible feats of prime garp. So someone who is currently a fleet admiral will always be considered at the same level in power as someone who was fleet admiral/fleet admiral level in the past. And based on that Sakazuki should scale relative to Garp/Sengoku, since there is really no evidence whatsoever that he is weaker than them. So stop being a child and getting so worked up over theories.
Yo Kirtsugu good video lol, as a Mihawk and an Admiral fan i can say that you were SPITTING FACTS. But I want to ask u, do you need a video editor? I can edit well for a somewhat low price, if you do need one pls link your other social media like discord because it's a pain to talk on RUclips. But even if you don't need one, good luck for the future of your channel.
bro… this actually might be the most factual op video ive ever seen… like u quite literally have the exact same opinions as me😭🔥 W keep spitting and putting these yonkotards to shame🙏🏽 u just earned another sub fr💯
so wb did sneak akainu. but akainu s very first hit wasnt a cheapshot ? and u forget to mention wb was SO SICK he got stabbed by SQUIRDO . he started fighting akainu with a stab wound u forget to mention also he basically had a heart attack the only reason akainu got a huge hit on wb. then everything fell apart ofc.
You know that whitebeard in his sick state was stated to be the strongest pirate alive right? Also whitebeard literally told squard that squardro's stab didn't hurt him at all
@@faceagain5703 you have no proof WB said that to make squard feel better. It would make squard feel worse since he literally hated WB at that moment not to mention WB told sqaurd that his attack didn't damage him before hugging squard .
@@faceagain5703 No WB was stated to be the strongest man while he was on meds . During marineford whitebeard was stated several times to be the strongest pirate alive and no I am not even talking about buggy or sengoku's statement.
Had to be a blitz, he didn’t come from behind akainu and the shot where he stopped him people are spread out making it Impossible for him to “sneak” in an open battlefield unless akainu has no peripheral vision.
On logia intangible argument, you don't need haki to hurt them all the time if you have the elemental weaknesses or elemental strengths to hurt them and the tremor fruits provide that power which is the reason why whitebeard was able to hit them and even hurt them and also he can't use haki because of his disease because if he did use haki, he would have already unleashed the conquerors haki but it didn't happen. And also sure on oda but even then, recent chapters showed this with garp not being strong anymore like in his prime, so even he contradicts his answers in sbs because if it's accurate, none of the blackbeard commanders would have survived the galaxy impact.
10:22 I mean this is just nonsense. Oldbeard is obviously not on the level of his prime self. Not sure how a single statement which is debunked by what we see in the manga holds any water.
Sbs 83 : Fan " Oda sensei, last time you taught us how to run away from ghosts, bears and Akainu. But when I tried with my mother, she was furious, she even hit me. Is my mother stronger than Akainu? " Oda : " You're being too impudent, be careful. A Mother is the strongest being in the world, even stronger than Kaido. "
Garp and Rayleigh both admit to being weaker due to age. So it seems like oda walked back on that statement or meant something else. Regardless Newgate was already nerfed throughout the war due to his sickness and being stabbed by squard. Bro even admitted he couldn’t stay the strongest forever.So him have his prime lvls of strength is a huge reach
Forgets to mention that akainu literally had someone stab a hole in WB where even marco notices that he should’ve defended it. (meaning his haki wasn’t at normal levels and he himself said he didn’t want to have the medicine so that he doesn’t look weak) Akainu was afraid of seeing any type of healthy WB.
People confuse what the anime did instead of what the manga did. The anime just used filler for keeping behind the manga. Akainu used Hellhound on Whitebeard's face in the manga. In the anime, the half of Newgate's "Whitebeard" was just a silly touch. The real substitute was two holes in his chest instead of his face.
Bro read wrong asf even if oda said all that he never said all that applies to white beard , u don’t see any other old men on life support machines fam make ur shii make sense, if white beared was all healthy etc and in tip top shape then he’d be more feared than shanks right? So why shanks presence stop the war when white beared was just seen as someone that needs to retire?
Sure old age may not have made him weaker but what about his repeated heart attacks terminal cancer, and him not being able to use even basic conquerors let alone advanced imbuement
@jaywbell2002 dude that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard by that logic everytime luffy used conquerors to intimidate people nami and ussop would just die, also the first time we see i properly confirmed implementation of conquerors it's by Rayleigh and he makes it a point that you can choose who it effects, and more importantly we literally see whitebeard trying to use conquerors to stop ace from dying and failing , so to say he's capable of using it the way he would when not in sickness or like big mom and kaido do is beyond absurd
did bro forget that Grap just choose not to be an admiral, he's not weaker than the admirals he just wants the freedom that comes with being a vice admiral
Thank you for the SBS about old people bearing overwhelming strength. A long retired Rayleigh's haki was more than enough to make Blackbeard tremble and comply with his demands. Yes, Rayleigh admitted that he would not be able to beat Blackbeard. But being defeated by Blackbeard would not be easy. Edit: You earned a sub within the first three minutes. You cook :)
@@CloneCommando-mo5nq WB is because of his disease and Rayleigh is because of being old that would obviously hinder his agility. And in Rayleigh's case, that's NOT EVEN counting how he kept up with Kizaru who is literally made of light. I believe Rayleigh does lose to BB, but not easily AT ALL given how he made BB tremble. As for Garp, you're in the right about the SBS being outdated. Oda can't keep up with that kind of memory forever especially with how busy he is.
@@riiddisbuk2496 Tbh I think that SBS has just been taken way out of context and even in some cases some people use wrong translations. My interpretation of the SBS is old people can still keep up with the new generation more than old people don't weaken 🤷
@@CloneCommando-mo5nq If I know anything about ballistics, it's that weight and speed matter. Especially where Kizaru says "speed is weight". Old people being just as strong or stronger, but lose speed to where they are ultimately weaker in striking strength makes a bit of sense. You don't expect someone like Rayeligh to retire just to make an emperor like BB tremble if they have grown rusty. Would Rayleigh lose? That's for certain. But clearly not without a fight that can leave BB critically injured.
my final verdict is that this must be a april fools review because in the data books he shows if you read them fully they disagree with a lot of the things he saying like hes getting contradicted by the databook itself 11: 18 says that it doesnt specify that it is the strongest but of the highest tier. GUYS WE CANT JUST READ ONE SENTENCE THAT HELPS OUR NARRATIVE and be like yea thats correct read the whole sentence and the determine yes its of the highest tier of fruit its is among the strongest not THE NUMBER 1 STRONGEST it just sounds like biased anyone saying any fruit is the strongest about to feel stupid when blackbeard and luffy and imu are fighting with powers other then magma
The hardest admiral rider,lmao. WB clearly low diffed Bitchkainu. No one dared to fight him in a fair 1v1 in the entire war. When someone did,WB 2 tapped his ass. Also,the way you pick and choose the statements,I could do the very same to put someone like Beckman above Roger or relative to Primebeard which he clearly isn't.( tho he still claps all the admirals).
I would say that although they dont get weaker when older, they dont have the Stamina to keep using their max strength consistently. Plus Whitebeard is so weakened from his illness as well as his heart being literally stabbed and having a fuckin heart attack. This Whitebeard is pretty consistently Admiral level and isnt even close to max strength Akainu. Whitebeard only really is equal to or greater in AP due to his devil fruit. If you really wanna go far, whitebeard is so close to death that he cant even use conquerers haki(He does use normal Haki). Admiral outplay him at every turn. If Garp and Sengoku even started trying then the whitebeard pirates wouldhave lost. The only thing about keeping strength from prime that is contested is that the power scaling over time has changed due to Oda changing his mind and trying to fit strength into the story. Anyways, Kizaru and Rayleigh fight and they are pretty evenly matched by its kinda obvious that both of them are holding back. Kizaru because of the innocence around(Awakening is too dangerous) and Rayleigh doesnt want to use too much stamina too quickly since he has to keep up with the fasted character in the series. The only other thing that could be used against oda saying old characters arent any weaker when they get old, is that Rayleigh says that he doesnt think he could have beaten whitebeard since he was in his prime. Akainu is just a beast
So your saying Oda's SBS is contradicting himself since Garp and Rayleigh note a decline in their power as they have aged. Nevermind sick Whitebeard was not able fo use conquerers haki properly as noted by Marco.
And if your going to say how strong and well equipped the admirals were the how did akainu not sense (SHANKS) out of all ppl his observation did pick up the man with the strongest current haki in the series @shanks sneak how can that guy sneak his presence can’t be hidden
Agree with the video but some of the points are wrong, Garp literally stated that galaxy impact was weak, Oda's statement can be interpreted as him wanting to show old mans strong as irl people over 40 already lose a lot of strength while people in one piece become only half as weak in 80 But it doesn't really change situation with Akainu because devil fruit power shouldn't decease with age and Whitebeard hit him with potentially the strongest punch he ever thrown
2:49 pretty sure this is referring to if they keep fighting and training? Otherwise, this contradicts rayleigh and garp. Who outright stated they're not as strong as they once were. And think there's also an age cap.
I agree and I’m glad for the context but if they’re so strong how do they keep getting sneaked over and over? Like there are some situation where they were detracted but on the other hand it’s like there at war what are you doing bro
U realize you just can not touch a logia without haki. Like it’s physically impossible he never said he couldn’t use haki by the way show me where he did
Not bad but some things are off Like the greats not losing their ap, Garp literally stated he did after Galaxy Impact, and pre timeskip he said his cannons don’t fly half as far anymore(he lost more than half his strength) and from Marineford didn’t fight anyone till Kuzan But Kuzan haki bloomed vs Akainu, fought some BM pirates and some BB pirates. So we can see who was already disadvantaged. And saying Akainu beat wb is crazy, that wasn’t actually half of his face even and wb just left him or sumn Crocodile also stated that sickbeard BEFORE going off his meds wasn’t the monster that beat him, and that’s literally why he kept trying to kill him I mean imagine being blitzed by damn SQUARD😭 ofc all the admirals would be able to react to him
Personally I feel like many of the manga to anime differences are negligible. In a single sudden exchange, it is completely reasonable for either whitebeard to physically overwhelm kizaru or for kizaru to cleverly evade and counter. They are both top tiers, it is not like either of them can be defeated easily and its not like a single exchange is suggestive of how a 1v1 death match would go. Of all the admirals, akainu obviously gets credit for doing the most against whitebeard. But its not as if this feat is as great as you think it is considering the context. Whitebeard is a dying man who was being artificially kept alive with medications, and got off his life support to fight in this battle for his son. Marineford for all intents and purposes and especially in hindsight, highlights the absolute weakest a yonko tier character can be, which is pretty crazy considering whitebeard was the strongest character introduced to that point. Admiral tier is comfortably below yonko tier, but its not like yonko's can defeat admirals with a sneeze. Would obviously be a difficult fight. For akainu, the strongest admiral to consistently match and take the upper hand on oldbeard, the weakest yonko, is a completely expected result. The marines didn't prep the battle field for the whitebeard they actually got, they prepped it for the whitebeard that was trading blows with roger for days at a time.
14:05 your talking about a world where people have observation haki, and you also keep saying that admirals have adv observation too. even if your saying that shanks concealed his presence here, then that's still more of a shanks feat than anything else. blitzed all the way 😋
@@ImaginaryAce565 u also don’t understand how future sight works. You have to be calm akainu was yelling and about to kill Coby, he wasn’t calm and didn’t use future sight I said this in the video but yet y’all find a way to act like I didn’t
Whitebeard was fighting though with one foot in the grave, when he fought the admirals even in the Manga it is acknowledged he is not actually at full strength there. he also before even fighting any of them is already mortally wounded from the backstab of one of his sons and other wounds. He was also acknowledged as the Strongest man alive so, one v one. he would probably win over any of three admirals in peak condition. (But undoubtely lose in a 2v1 or 3v1 or 1v1-1v1-1v-1 Admirals are among the strongest people of the World. But fights in one piece are rarely ever just 1v1 perfect conditions. I mean let's take Kaido versus G5 luffy. Before fighting Luffy he had fought his daughter, he had fought the strongest Samurai of Wano. He had Fought Luffy at his absolute peak. and he was overpowering Luffy in basically most of their match Still.
I pretty much agree with everything said but correct me if I´m wrong, WB didnt use advanced conquerors haki in all of Marineford so his AP is at least a lil bit worse than it used to be. Cuz come on if Akainu got directly hit with the attack Wwhitebeard threw at Roger, he would have taken MUCH more damage
Akainu can beat an OLD and SICK Whitebeard all he wants, but until he does anything to someone of Kaido’s level like Shanks did before stopping the war, bro is not that guy!!! If Akainu tried to keep fighting and attack Shanks, bro is getting folded!!! Sengoku saved Akainu’s life twice, one from Shanks and the other from Garp!!!!
Akainu stayed behind to defend against the execution because He saw kizaru,aokiji going at it realized the place will need to be defended. He only went out for the plan and garp was defending. Also the admirals doesn't have to transform islands to go all out. Akainu and aokiji fought for 10 days so the climate changed so much. Marineford took like hours another thing why would aokiji, kizaru,akainu not go all out against a yonko crew bro. The anime akianu got whitebeard mustache because of censor reasons so you can't do the face. You say shanks caught akainu off guard kizaru did the same for marco hello. Marco saw whitebeard get a heart attack and looked away then kizaru shot him saying oh don't look away from the fight. Whitebeard easily by far the weakest yonko going into marineford having 2 heart attacks. Clearly shown he is not in his prime whitebeard strength isn't the same he is still a beast but having heart attacks and old age decrease everything. We multiple comments saying oh he's old and sick if he wasn't he would have caught that.
whitebeard is not the same as prime beard the attack potency was on a different level this whitebeard barely using haki attacking is not the same as when he was younger he would imbue conquerors haki which he didnt do. was the whole island shaking like it did against gold roger after that attack no it wasnt was everyone being blown away no so it not the same
2:09 ur reasoning is diabolical. What akainu meant by that is who would protect the maine fortress from pirates and the opposing faction if the admirals went out to the frontlines. IT DOES NOT MEAN they had to hold back. Work on ur inference skills
its funny how toei even removed Akainus fkn hands off his pockets when stepping down WB🤣. Like they dont even wanna give him a single moment
Exactly bro u get it
i was literally discussing this with my brother last night telling him the animators are literally admiral haters and then i got this video in my feed today💀💯
Fr people can’t accept Akainu because he’s to manly for them lol😂😂😂
Because it's WB last moment
2:53 the problem with this is that it is stated by Garp,releigh and Whtebeard in story they don't have the strength they used to have. which contradicts this SBS. since it is also by the Author of the series.
Ikr? Garp himself After the galaxy impact wasnt very satisfied since he's old
It could just mean he wants to portray the elderly where they don’t lose *all* of their strength in old age (Garp having half his prime strength would still be an absurd amount for example vs irl where most people his age have way less than half their strength then when they were in their own respective primes plus have a bunch of other age related issues) so this statement could still stay consistent with what the manga says directly.
Also remember when translating Japanese to English there’s high potential for the nuance of certain things to be lost, there’s a good chance Oda intended to mean something similar to what I said here but it was simply just translated differently.
Garp said when throwing his canon balls that they didn’t fly half as fast
So prime Garp’s strength is over two times more than pre timeskip Garp who then doesn’t fight again from Marineford till Kuzan
But Kuzan fights and haki blooms off of Akainu,fights BM pirates and BB pirates
These glazers seriously need to realize that Oda doesn’t write the story based on what he says in interviews or sbs.
Garp was still confirmed by Oda to be at least close to his prime, Rayleigh is just lacking in the stamina depertment and Whitebeard is also really sick not just old, similar to Garp who also snacks all the time and no longer trains
2:55 I wonder if Oda decided to make Garp the exception as almost every panel we have of Garp in any combative form is that he constantly refers to himself as being weaker normally around half as strong.
Well I respect garp and really love his character. But oda wouldn’t forget Oda him as apart of the marines
Dude the entire Marineford saga was about the end of Newgate and his legend and the transition from an old and stable era to a new and chaotic one represented by Blackbeard. He was far from being the strongest at the time, he admitted it himself when Crocodile trashed him after being stabbed by Squardo (litteraly said I can't stay the strongest forever), even Marco said that he should have normally dodged that with ease, a title isn't absolute, if no one challenged him for it then he keeps his reputation wich seems to be the case 2 years ago when the yonkou were silently doing their thing without ever trying to get involved in each other's stuff... I mean honestly even people like Yamato or Zoro could have clashed with him at that point. Without being able to use conqueror's haki, with his unstable health and his decrease in terms of fruit mastery (Teach being able to do better that him after just eating the fruit), Kaido, Shanks, Teach, Luffy or even Big Mom would have beaten this dude with relative ease.
Plus we need to contextualize Whitebeard's loss. I mean litteraly the entire navy force tried to beat this dude, it took hundreds of bullets and swords strikes, dozens of canon balls, a special wall that could negate his fruit and protect the soldiers, attacks from the 3 admirals, and the treason of his own son who litteraly pierced him in the heart and caused him to have an heart attack a few moments after (but no it didn't affect him because I interpreted litteraly a passage of Newgate saying it didn't do anything to reassure his son and his crew, yeah Akainu will take time bullshiting and manipulating a pirate for an action that will have no importance lol), and despite all of this, he ringed out Akainu and was on the verge of killing Teach before the Blackbeard crew all jumped him with relentless attacks. Oda wanted to make the reader understand that despite his bad state, he was still an exception on this battlefield, an anomaly, a monster.
And I think that this is the main difference between admirals and yonkous.
While admirals are excellent fighters pushed to the peak of strenght by hard work and broken devil fruit, yonkous are natural born monsters who lived their life fighting constantly against people as strong as them, not knowing if they would still be able to live tomorrow. During their career they weren't protected and supported by a whole system with possible reinforcments and shit, they created their empire with their own strenght, working for nobody but themselves. And I think that's why Oda didn't give Aokiji, Kizaru, Fujitora or Greenbull conqueror's haki, they are just followers submitted to a system or someone else's will...
And that's the main difference between admirals and yonkous, their abnormality :
-Big mom was litteraly born nearly indestructible with incredible strenght, capable of defeating Elbaf warriors like ants, the potential of a fleet admiral at 5.
-Kaido's battle prowess as a fucking child were so incredible that the navy excluded Kaido's country from heavenly tribute, something thet never happened before, in exchange for Kaido.
-Shanks conqueror's haki is so incredibly strong that even an admiral can end up paralyzed, sweating and screaming out of pain, even Marco himself pointed out that Shanks conqueror's haki was monstruous, and we're talking about a dude who knew Roger, Newgate, Kaido, Big Mom...
-Blackbeard broke the only rule of One Piece wich is the limitation to one devil fruit, and this dude took 2 of the strongest, one that can absorb everything and another that can destroy everything.
-Luffy is the reincarnation of a fucking god and a prophecy hero or something, he litteraly doesn't respond to the laws of physics.
-The Navy thinks that Buggy was able to submit Crocodile and Mihawk, so he's an anomaly in their eyes...
Without even bringing the Ryokugyu humiliation on the table, the recent interactions between Luffy and Kizaru should tell us everything. Yeah Luffy gassed out, but like he said himself he took most of the damages when he passed the barrier two times (that's not me but his words) in gear 4th, so the biggest of the damage wasn't the admiral's doing, when he used gear 5th Kizaru litteraly couldn't even damaged him and was taken out in one hit before Luffy gassed out, a complete domination of a Kizaru refusing to fight Luffy head on and being one shotted when he tried by shooting a lazer at his enemy. Then when Luffy became serious against Kizaru and Saturn he just turned him into a pizza and the fight was mostly over, Kizaru couldn't do shit against gear 5th from begining to end, now do you remember how the fight between gear 5th and Kaido went ? Yeah that was an all out war where both sides took an incredible amount of damages and big shots, that's a fight between two yonkous, like how Kaido and Big Mom ended up allying because after an intense fight during an entire night one couldn't take the advantage on the other (and yeah you can cope saying that Kaido wasn't serious or shit, but nah, that doesn't make any sense regarding their will to kill each other at the start of the fight and the deep hatred and rresentment that the yonkous have for one another).
In a pure 1vs1 situation an admiral can keep a yonkou occupied for some time, like Lucci did to Zoro or Who's who to Jinbei, or like whitebeard's commanders did to the admirals offscreen, some might even hurt or surprise a yonkou, but I can't see a world where even Akainu is beating someone like Luffy or Big Mom in a duel, and that's okay because individual strenght isn't really the point of the navy anyway. The 4 admirals, the control of a gigantic economic system that enables a colossal amount of human ressources and powerfull technologies that can basically beat any yonkou, that's the reason the navy is so dominant, because this is an hegemonic authority that have an unparalleled amount of funds and influence over the world...
I love this take
Can't wait to see the embarassment You Feel When Oda Shows Admirals True Power ,
Kizaru got one shoted, Really?? you can see kizaru literally holding back, ever since he got introduced, he killed vegapunk and was depressed about about fighting his friends (bonny , sentomaru ) and Navy goal was to kill vegapunk and stop the voice broadcast, they weren't even taking luffy(luffy was unexpected in Egghead) seriously 😂 😂 bro read the chapters carefully,
I don't know why you guys downplay admirals , There real strength is even revealed yet still you downplaying the head of the navy bro 🤣
Quand j'ai lu ton commentaire je me suis dit obligé celui là c'est un français, un pur ryoboy 🤣
@@SelfProClaimed_Psychic
"Can't wait to see the embarassment You Feel When Oda Shows Admirals True Power "
--> lol how can you be so deluded? Oda already proved many times how yonko are superior to admirals by far, yet you're sill not embarrassed and still claim "one day Oda will show the truth, one day" 🤣
Pro-yonko: facts
Pro-admirals: One day... 🤣
@@gontrandjojo9747 shows not over bitch ass
Ngl, you slurping the Admirals kinda hard but I agree with a lot of this
Akainu is the strongest person in OP.
Kaido kills him
Blackbeard will rawdog akainu. Lmao
Kaido, Shanks, Mihawk, Imu, Blackbeard laughing in the corner.
@@Dracule18
Not Mihawk.
Joyboy slams him into the dirt Mid-High Dif
Saying that wb was at his prime strength during marineford is just stupid, did you not read the manga? Multiple old legends have stated that they arent as strong as they were in their prime, rayleigh did, so did garp and wb. Youre just gonna ignore that?
Not only that but their are characters at the war pointing out WB isn't at his usual strength. They know this and ignore it so they can glaze akainu.
So many people completely ignore the statement Jinbei made saying that under akainu's rule, the marines have become the strongest they've ever been. Stronger than when prime garp, prime tsuru, prime bogard, prime sengoku, prime kong, dragon, and the seven warlords were all apart of the navy. Im pretty damn sure that the vice admirals aren't the reason for this.
And that's despite Aokiji, who's relative to Akainu, leaving the marines. Putting Akainu anywhere below top 3 rn is just disrespect.
@@jasonmatthews52
Dude, we're in 2024. We know now the Marines are just a showcase for the WG. Sakazuki main job now is to find lobster for tenryubitos. Let Garling and the gorosei handle the situation when things become very serious.
@gontrandjojo9747 "We know now the marines are just a showcase for the WG" Even though all 5 Gorosei with CP0 couldn't do shit to stop the strawhats or Vegapunk's broadcast. These bum asses are Dragon/Revolutionary army victims lol.
To be fair that has just as much to do with his expansion of striking into the Redline, and over all strengthening the Navy with Vegapunks inventions.
and recruiting powerful individuals into the Navy we did not see at Marineford like Fujitora and Greenbull.
Umm was jinbei born at the time of prime Garp tsuru sengoku kong dragon ,etc.
Bro its legit not the same strength being sick defenetly reduces ur strength.Bro was mad injured.If Whitebeard was not sick id agree kinda his still has same strength.😤
A lot of issues with this take.
First off, both Garp and Rayleigh have commented on their strength waning with age (Garp commenting on his Galaxy Impact, Rayleigh after his face off with Blackbeard).
Second, while the SBS is useful, it’s important to prioritise the actual moments in the manga. I interpret that SBS response more so as a statement that the old generation aren’t weakling bc they’re old, but at the same time that doesn’t mean they’re as strong as they were in their prime.
Third, you both heavily underplayed the significance of Whitebeard’s illness AND completely overlooked Akainu’s own initial cheapshot that took advantage of a mid battle heart attack (which was a result of said illness).
All of this is just a messy way of putting Akainu near the top of the verse while putting a lot of other characters down unnecessarily. I get that the admiral slander can be frustrating but this is no better
true true but garp’s galaxy impact was weaker due to weaker haki, not physical strength
@@chibkthe statement itself is describing their overall power which includes physical strength doesn’t take a rocket science to realize garp whitebeard and Rayleigh obviously aren’t as strong as they were when young.
I agree. I don't think Oda's statment literally ment they havent lost any strength. Its just that they are still strong, unlike In our world where a 70+ year old where its night and day.
@@chibkwhen garp was throwing cannonballs at the strawhats he said he used to be able to throw them twice as fast, so no it's not just haki
People keep talking about WB "cheap shotting" Akainu, which is stupid by the way cause how can an old and not really the fastest moving dude managed to walk behind Akainu who had Advance Observation Haki (meaning, even without future sight, his normal haki should've been enough to see it. HECK he should've heard it).
But they don't talk about Akainu cheap shotting WB who had a heart attack, meaning he was WAAAYYYY more defenceless than the behind the back attacked Akainu.
That sbs you showed of old people is wrong, the real translation said in my own short words, oda hates old people getting disrespected so he created a fantasy world where old people in general are still “relevant” and “could” beat strong young people
Admirals my beloved
Anyone reading MF knows that WB pirates wouldnt last 5 minutes if the marines and warlords went all out. Only Akainu gave a fuck about WB while Kuzan, Kizaru, Garp, Sengoku, Mihawk and the Warlords were just spectators.
Someone who can read
@@Vertics_ YESSS like bro i genuinely love this video so much😭🙏🏽🙏🏽
Exactly, by the end the only admiral that was hurt was Akainu. Aokiji and Kizaru were still clean, Garp and Sengoku were just starting to fight and were holding BB and his whole crew. Meanwhile WB and Ace died, most of it by Akainu solo.
And if the warlords actually fought together and all out, especially if mihawk did it, the war wouldve been over in no time.
One yonko crew aint enough for the whole navy.
@@orbboom6119 too bad all the “fans” will always downplay the fuck out of the admirals in anything. Watched the show in 2 months and know more than half these ppl🤦♂️
@@isaacjohnson7573 yeah they take everything at face value.
They Nerf the Marines forces because that it will be the last moment of WB
Most One Piece fans have NEVER read Marineford, they only watched it. The admirals were literally trolling Kuzan and Borsalino were literally trolling WB and Sakazuki dispatched of him with 2 hits, it took 10 days to take down Kuzan of which he only managed to take his leg. Sakazuki then used one of WB's attacks to swim underground to reach Luffy faster then proceed to square up agaisnt WBs crew solo lol
yonkotards will still find a way to cope and argue
All yonko still slam the admirals cope. Old dying WB couldn't even use base conquers lmao.
Reminder Acoc >>>>>> muh magma fruit. Haki transcends all. DF merchants = fodder.
@@arin7776 we don't know how magma interacts with ACOC as no one has fought Akainu on screen, are you a One Piece fan or just someone who likes to stir the pot? BB ran from Akainu post time skip and was sweating when Kuzan was soloing his crew, Akainu scales above that. I personally have BB > BM but others see it the other way, regardless every admiral beats her apart from Issho and Aramki as they scale above g4 Luffy who stunlocked Kaido without future sight. BM is relative to base Kaido so she would've been pushed by that Luffy. Borsalino shits on a stronger version of g4 snakeman Luffy. This all happened in the manga, feats don't lie. Kuzan and Sakazuki are both stronger than Borsalino in my opinion also they have superior portrayal, with Sakazuki having the best portrayal of anyone in the series bar WB, Mihawk, Garp, Roger.
As the manga showed. G5 Luffy > Borsalino > G4 Luffy > LinLin
@@arin7776ah yes, acoc > all. I guess base form Yamatos thunder bagua has higher ap than uranus according to Kaido's objective(no) opinion, you all hold so dear?
@@JT-km6thIssho and Aramaki above g4? Luffy vs Kizaru had no advanced haki at all, and Kaido was stunlocked with ryuo plus acoc.
Your point?
Completely unbiased #BigNews📰 here. He’s actually correct with everything he said.
not Big News Morgans😭🙏🏽
@@NotTheWEJ 0 reading comprehension.
@@chibkare you going to every comment glazing? Like dawg bro stop glazing every one that agrees with the glazer in the video.
3:11 he said age not sickness
Also haki gets weaker due to age
Bro the World strongest swordman goes hand in hand in with skilled.its not like Mihawk was tryna defeat Vista.🤦
No one thought that that amount of marine forces were needed to kill a yonko. Everyone saw that the Whitebeard pirates were getting shit on
Only old beard was a threat
My goat whitebeard slams anyone at Marineford 1v1
@@Gold_hairo
Not even top 5 at Marineford
@@theseeker7692 I can see Shanks or mihawk beating Whitebeard but anyone else gets slammed against a healthy Beard without cancer
@@Gold_hairo
Without sickness, it is a different story yes
please do one for egghead i need kizaru glazing bad👀👀
I got u
"b-b-but luffy made kizaru bleed and flung him across the island" 🤡
@@10clearrHe did win tho. It was an high-extreme diff fight, but he still won.
@@davidamadi9837 keep telling yourself that yonko glazer
@@10clearr I literally support admirals in like 80% of comment sections. What u talking about.
I literally said it's a high extreme diff fight. Do u actually believe kizaru beats Luffy....after wano ......after beating kaido. Now you're the one who's an admiral glazer. And that's coming from smn who defends admirals every day of the week
Akainu solos Whitbeard’s Pirate (when he has cancer), WB meatriders/admirals haters can cope
Ofc he solos wb pirates if there isn't wb
Bro really called whitebeards bisento a black blade
Prolly not a black blade but Fs one of the supreme grade blades
@@Mater_K , the only black blades that have been shown to us as the audience are Yoru and Shisui, but yes Whitebeard's Bisento is one of the 13 Supreme Grade Blade Swords.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr that’s what I said😂 but yeah
Garp himself states he cant throw cannons as fast as he used to 💀 meaning he literally got weaker
You literally don’t understand garps character 🤦♂️
@@Soulxe1 how do i not old character themselves know they got weaker💀 why would sengoku retire if he didnt get weaker. Rayleigh got weaker as well. Theres a reason it says prime or old theres a direct distinction💀.
@@Soulxe1 if wb was moving like he was against roger in marineford then id agree but he wasnt
@@Soulxe1 he says himself pre timeskip i cant throw these cannons as fast as i used to💀 meaning he got weaker to throe something fast u need hella strength
@@philemonkwakye5031 nga no one says they haven’t gotten overall weaker ofc they have. they just don’t lose their AP strength or DC. Garp made that statement laughing in a joking manner. You need more reading comprehension
I won't lie I have a admiral agenda but the admirals are still portrayed pretty strong. Kizaru was contending with Luffy and wasn't even trying to fight him. Only came out with minor injuries. More upset he popped his friend more than anything. I hope that's not too much copeiem.
Kirtusgu emiya scaling one piece now
this is crazy glaze, bro Akainus melted a marine he does not care about the people around him he went to kill Koby 2 and over half of MarineFord was destroyed they went all out to barely out class him
Oda : Old age doesnt mean your strength is not the same.
Also WB after being stabbed by Squardo : " I cant be the strongest forever. "
Whitebeard’s problem was not age. It was his sickness. Don’t get those two mixed up. Garp is old but garp is still healthy. That’s the difference. So yes, strength does not decline in one piece with age. Destructive capacity remains the same.
@@SuprotipOfficial
Garp literally said his canons used to fly twice as fast, meaning he's half of his prime strength and also said he was disappointed at galaxy impact, meaning it was more devastating in his prime. Meaning, strength and AP do decrease by age. Stop ignoring these things to glaze you favourite characters.
@@Dracule18 Well, garp is in my top 5 favourite characters, so if I should be glazing anyone then it’s him. But facts are facts. With old age, one piece characters do get slower, perception gets weaker, haki gets weaker (if sick). But the strength they possessed remains the same as before. Oda literally said that himself. Other stats get weaker, but their destructive capacity doesn’t change lmao. Garp says that he is disappointed because that’s what his character has always been. Right after he says that, the others around that place call him out on his bullshit and say “are you kidding me?” It’s just garp’s way of joking around even after causing possibly the biggest one shot destruction ever. Please understand storytelling nuance. Every statement is not to be taken at face value.
@@SuprotipOfficial
You didn’t even debunk what I said and made a headcanon that Garp was joking, he's just like that, bla bla bla. The characters being surprised doesn’t discredit his statement wtf. It Just goes to show how much of a beast he was in his prime. Even at old age, he caused so much destruction. Then Oda made him say he was disappointed just to give an idea that he was way more devastating in his prime. That is the storytelling here. "Garp was joking, Garp was lying" is a hard cope lmao. Stop misinterpreting it based on how it fits your agenda. And I see you're one of those people who at first brag that "this guy is my favourite character" and then proceed to downplay them. I've seen a lot of people like you. Oda said it A LONG TIME AGO! You think he writes his story based on what he says in an interview? If he says something, he's bound to be consistent with that forever and forbidden to change it? He literally contradicted himself by pointing out Garp's weakness due to old age TWICE! Garp admitted in post enies lobby that his physical strength used to be twice as much in his prime, directly contradicting Oda's statement in the sbs. And you just wanna put a blind eye to that or call it a joke or lie cause you got no counter argument. From where the hell are you even getting this DC and AP thing? Oda never mentioned these factors. He just said strength which he already contradicted. And we saw Garp's DC did decrease as he said he was disappointed at galaxy impact.
"Every statement is not to be taken at face value"
Oh yea? Who the hell are you to decide what statement matters and what statement doesn’t? Jimbei said that the marines are at their strongest in Akainu's rule. But so far, they've just been a disappointment. The og admirals are stronger than the current admirals. Garp has gotten weaker due to aging. Sengoku is also retired now. But you admiral glazers will still say that Jimbei statement is a fact just because it would upscale your favourite character "Papazuki". Only those statements that fit your agenda are meaningful to you and the ones that put a scar in your agenda are meaningless jokes.
@@Dracule18 Bruh the marines haven’t become useless at all lmao. Nobody is admiral glazing here. The only problem with the majority of the one piece community is that they can’t accept the fact that even the new gen characters are just as strong as the old gen characters in the same position if not more. Oda has always written one piece that way. I don’t even like sakazuki but it’s a fact that he is the strongest marine currently. And look at you getting all worked up and saying “who the hell are you to decide?” As if I ever decided. I’m voicing my opinion on a matter and that opinion is based on statements made by the author himself as well as statements made in the show. Oda did say that due to old age their other stats do go down and that is seen in most old characters, even garp. But their raw strength has always been relative to when they were in their prime. That’s how Oda has always written one piece. At least the way I see it. Not to disregard your opinion. But i don’t agree with your opinion. It’s only a matter of opinion because we don’t have hard facts/feats to discredit Sakazuki nor do we have any visible feats of prime garp. So someone who is currently a fleet admiral will always be considered at the same level in power as someone who was fleet admiral/fleet admiral level in the past. And based on that Sakazuki should scale relative to Garp/Sengoku, since there is really no evidence whatsoever that he is weaker than them. So stop being a child and getting so worked up over theories.
Yo Kirtsugu good video lol, as a Mihawk and an Admiral fan i can say that you were SPITTING FACTS. But I want to ask u, do you need a video editor? I can edit well for a somewhat low price, if you do need one pls link your other social media like discord because it's a pain to talk on RUclips. But even if you don't need one, good luck for the future of your channel.
he’s spitting fax ong🔥🔥🔥
bro… this actually might be the most factual op video ive ever seen… like u quite literally have the exact same opinions as me😭🔥
W keep spitting and putting these yonkotards to shame🙏🏽
u just earned another sub fr💯
so wb did sneak akainu. but akainu s very first hit wasnt a cheapshot ? and u forget to mention wb was SO SICK he got stabbed by SQUIRDO . he started fighting akainu with a stab wound u forget to mention also he basically had a heart attack the only reason akainu got a huge hit on wb. then everything fell apart ofc.
You know that whitebeard in his sick state was stated to be the strongest pirate alive right? Also whitebeard literally told squard that squardro's stab didn't hurt him at all
@@pearsfashions5426 bro he was stabbed right through . he was bleeding from the mouth. wb said that to make squirdo feel better
@@pearsfashions5426 also wb was stated strongest before he went off his meds. off meds wb was way weaker then stabilized wb
@@faceagain5703 you have no proof WB said that to make squard feel better. It would make squard feel worse since he literally hated WB at that moment not to mention WB told sqaurd that his attack didn't damage him before hugging squard .
@@faceagain5703 No WB was stated to be the strongest man while he was on meds . During marineford whitebeard was stated several times to be the strongest pirate alive and no I am not even talking about buggy or sengoku's statement.
Had to be a blitz, he didn’t come from behind akainu and the shot where he stopped him people are spread out making it Impossible for him to “sneak” in an open battlefield unless akainu has no peripheral vision.
On logia intangible argument, you don't need haki to hurt them all the time if you have the elemental weaknesses or elemental strengths to hurt them and the tremor fruits provide that power which is the reason why whitebeard was able to hit them and even hurt them and also he can't use haki because of his disease because if he did use haki, he would have already unleashed the conquerors haki but it didn't happen.
And also sure on oda but even then, recent chapters showed this with garp not being strong anymore like in his prime, so even he contradicts his answers in sbs because if it's accurate, none of the blackbeard commanders would have survived the galaxy impact.
10:22
I mean this is just nonsense. Oldbeard is obviously not on the level of his prime self. Not sure how a single statement which is debunked by what we see in the manga holds any water.
Sbs 83 :
Fan " Oda sensei, last time you taught us how to run away from ghosts, bears and Akainu. But when I tried with my mother, she was furious, she even hit me. Is my mother stronger than Akainu? "
Oda : " You're being too impudent, be careful. A Mother is the strongest being in the world, even stronger than Kaido. "
Earned a sub today,W vid.
Garp and Rayleigh both admit to being weaker due to age. So it seems like oda walked back on that statement or meant something else. Regardless Newgate was already nerfed throughout the war due to his sickness and being stabbed by squard. Bro even admitted he couldn’t stay the strongest forever.So him have his prime lvls of strength is a huge reach
Cook pookie
Most people hate admiral akainu because of akainu gave 🍩 to ace
Forgets to mention that akainu literally had someone stab a hole in WB where even marco notices that he should’ve defended it. (meaning his haki wasn’t at normal levels and he himself said he didn’t want to have the medicine so that he doesn’t look weak) Akainu was afraid of seeing any type of healthy WB.
People confuse what the anime did instead of what the manga did.
The anime just used filler for keeping behind the manga.
Akainu used Hellhound on Whitebeard's face in the manga.
In the anime, the half of Newgate's "Whitebeard" was just a silly touch.
The real substitute was two holes in his chest instead of his face.
Whitebeard sometimes couldn’t use his full strength because of his crew but the same does go with admirals
Toei had to change it from half of the face to only a bit of a moustache it wasn't toeis fault
U read marine-ford very wrong wb💀 got weaker and his ap did get weajer as even attakcing having himself hold his heard
I was would also like to remind that kizaru was flat out trolling everyone he faced in the war. Especially Whitebeard
Bro read wrong asf even if oda said all that he never said all that applies to white beard , u don’t see any other old men on life support machines fam make ur shii make sense, if white beared was all healthy etc and in tip top shape then he’d be more feared than shanks right? So why shanks presence stop the war when white beared was just seen as someone that needs to retire?
Sure old age may not have made him weaker but what about his repeated heart attacks terminal cancer, and him not being able to use even basic conquerors let alone advanced imbuement
@jaywbell2002 dude that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard by that logic everytime luffy used conquerors to intimidate people nami and ussop would just die, also the first time we see i properly confirmed implementation of conquerors it's by Rayleigh and he makes it a point that you can choose who it effects, and more importantly we literally see whitebeard trying to use conquerors to stop ace from dying and failing , so to say he's capable of using it the way he would when not in sickness or like big mom and kaido do is beyond absurd
@jaywbell2002 he does not have conquerors lil bro stop coping😂
@@chibkhe did
@@mayankbhaskar8545what proves he didn’t have conquerors? All you said was he was weakened
@@chibk Lol. The Roger and whitebeard flashback in Wano confirms it.
to be fair when oda says old men keep their strength that doesn't necessarily mean haki and everything, could be only physical strength
did bro forget that Grap just choose not to be an admiral, he's not weaker than the admirals he just wants the freedom that comes with being a vice admiral
Whitebeard literally had cancer and pro thinks he’s as strong his his prime self🤡🤡 Admiral stans need something to cope with ig💀💀
I mean, everyone knows it'd be a different story if he was in his prime. But he wasn't
My GOAT
Just earned a sub. Great vid🫡
Thank you for the SBS about old people bearing overwhelming strength.
A long retired Rayleigh's haki was more than enough to make Blackbeard tremble and comply with his demands.
Yes, Rayleigh admitted that he would not be able to beat Blackbeard. But being defeated by Blackbeard would not be easy.
Edit: You earned a sub within the first three minutes. You cook :)
Surely using that SBS is outdated? Oda literally contradicts this idea with Garp, Rayleigh and WB
@@CloneCommando-mo5nq WB is because of his disease and Rayleigh is because of being old that would obviously hinder his agility.
And in Rayleigh's case, that's NOT EVEN counting how he kept up with Kizaru who is literally made of light.
I believe Rayleigh does lose to BB, but not easily AT ALL given how he made BB tremble.
As for Garp, you're in the right about the SBS being outdated.
Oda can't keep up with that kind of memory forever especially with how busy he is.
@@riiddisbuk2496 Tbh I think that SBS has just been taken way out of context and even in some cases some people use wrong translations. My interpretation of the SBS is old people can still keep up with the new generation more than old people don't weaken 🤷
@@CloneCommando-mo5nq If I know anything about ballistics, it's that weight and speed matter. Especially where Kizaru says "speed is weight".
Old people being just as strong or stronger, but lose speed to where they are ultimately weaker in striking strength makes a bit of sense.
You don't expect someone like Rayeligh to retire just to make an emperor like BB tremble if they have grown rusty.
Would Rayleigh lose? That's for certain.
But clearly not without a fight that can leave BB critically injured.
my final verdict is that this must be a april fools review because in the data books he shows if you read them fully they disagree with a lot of the things he saying like hes getting contradicted by the databook itself 11: 18 says that it doesnt specify that it is the strongest but of the highest tier. GUYS WE CANT JUST READ ONE SENTENCE THAT HELPS OUR NARRATIVE and be like yea thats correct read the whole sentence and the determine yes its of the highest tier of fruit its is among the strongest not THE NUMBER 1 STRONGEST it just sounds like biased anyone saying any fruit is the strongest about to feel stupid when blackbeard and luffy and imu are fighting with powers other then magma
No, *you* read Marineford wrong
That's what I was thinking. Admiral riders are insane 😂
Burden of prove
You got him with that one Jonny
@@LoganDodson-jk9gp prove him wrong then😂
it’s ok. cope all the pain away💨💨💨🥹
This whole video is just trying to have the admirals save face so it doesn’t look like they had to jump a sick old man.
Bro istg when will this fandom be cleansed... It's too dirty
The hardest admiral rider,lmao. WB clearly low diffed Bitchkainu. No one dared to fight him in a fair 1v1 in the entire war. When someone did,WB 2 tapped his ass.
Also,the way you pick and choose the statements,I could do the very same to put someone like Beckman above Roger or relative to Primebeard which he clearly isn't.( tho he still claps all the admirals).
Garp bodies all of them due to him turning down the admiral position many times even in his old age
Outro too fire 😂😂😂🔥🔥🔥
Garb literally refused to be an Admiral and I don’t even watch one piece and I know better then bro.
11:28 I do believe Oda is talking about ONE PIECE the story would finish within a year, not about in universe time
In universe time, Luffy isn't on the sea for a year if you take away the time skip (wich an overpowered MC wouldn't need) right?
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I would say that although they dont get weaker when older, they dont have the Stamina to keep using their max strength consistently. Plus Whitebeard is so weakened from his illness as well as his heart being literally stabbed and having a fuckin heart attack. This Whitebeard is pretty consistently Admiral level and isnt even close to max strength Akainu. Whitebeard only really is equal to or greater in AP due to his devil fruit. If you really wanna go far, whitebeard is so close to death that he cant even use conquerers haki(He does use normal Haki). Admiral outplay him at every turn. If Garp and Sengoku even started trying then the whitebeard pirates wouldhave lost. The only thing about keeping strength from prime that is contested is that the power scaling over time has changed due to Oda changing his mind and trying to fit strength into the story. Anyways, Kizaru and Rayleigh fight and they are pretty evenly matched by its kinda obvious that both of them are holding back. Kizaru because of the innocence around(Awakening is too dangerous) and Rayleigh doesnt want to use too much stamina too quickly since he has to keep up with the fasted character in the series.
The only other thing that could be used against oda saying old characters arent any weaker when they get old, is that Rayleigh says that he doesnt think he could have beaten whitebeard since he was in his prime.
Akainu is just a beast
I meant Black Beard not Whitebeard*
Saying The average admiral is stronger than Garp and Sengoku is a Crime, i could see Akainu and maybe Aokiji. But no one else
what is bro yapping about??
only people who can read will understand
Read the Manga ODA SAID IN A INTERVIEW AKAINU IS THE STRONGEST MARINE OF ALL TIME SEARCHE IT UP
The truth.
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So your saying Oda's SBS is contradicting himself since Garp and Rayleigh note a decline in their power as they have aged.
Nevermind sick Whitebeard was not able fo use conquerers haki properly as noted by Marco.
Could white beard use haki in that state? And white beard strength was actually decreased bc he was sick, this had nothing to do with his age.
And if your going to say how strong and well equipped the admirals were the how did akainu not sense (SHANKS) out of all ppl his observation did pick up the man with the strongest current haki in the series @shanks sneak how can that guy sneak his presence can’t be hidden
Agree with the video but some of the points are wrong, Garp literally stated that galaxy impact was weak, Oda's statement can be interpreted as him wanting to show old mans strong as irl people over 40 already lose a lot of strength while people in one piece become only half as weak in 80
But it doesn't really change situation with Akainu because devil fruit power shouldn't decease with age and Whitebeard hit him with potentially the strongest punch he ever thrown
2:49 pretty sure this is referring to if they keep fighting and training? Otherwise, this contradicts rayleigh and garp. Who outright stated they're not as strong as they once were. And think there's also an age cap.
not just marineford but even marinetoyota
no way bro said garp is weaker than the admirals 😂
I agree and I’m glad for the context but if they’re so strong how do they keep getting sneaked over and over? Like there are some situation where they were detracted but on the other hand it’s like there at war what are you doing bro
12:04 wrong.
Marco specifically call out whitebeard no longer being capable of using basic observation haki and much less conquerors haki.
U realize you just can not touch a logia without haki. Like it’s physically impossible he never said he couldn’t use haki by the way show me where he did
GARP REJECT BEING ADMIRAL AND SENGOKU WAS FLEET ADMIRAL MEANS HE WAS MORE POWERFUL THEN 3 ADMIRLS AT SAME TIME
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These brainless comments always have terrible grammar, I have noticed this pattern
Not bad but some things are off
Like the greats not losing their ap, Garp literally stated he did after Galaxy Impact, and pre timeskip he said his cannons don’t fly half as far anymore(he lost more than half his strength) and from Marineford didn’t fight anyone till Kuzan
But Kuzan haki bloomed vs Akainu, fought some BM pirates and some BB pirates. So we can see who was already disadvantaged.
And saying Akainu beat wb is crazy, that wasn’t actually half of his face even and wb just left him or sumn
Crocodile also stated that sickbeard BEFORE going off his meds wasn’t the monster that beat him, and that’s literally why he kept trying to kill him
I mean imagine being blitzed by damn SQUARD😭 ofc all the admirals would be able to react to him
Personally I feel like many of the manga to anime differences are negligible. In a single sudden exchange, it is completely reasonable for either whitebeard to physically overwhelm kizaru or for kizaru to cleverly evade and counter. They are both top tiers, it is not like either of them can be defeated easily and its not like a single exchange is suggestive of how a 1v1 death match would go.
Of all the admirals, akainu obviously gets credit for doing the most against whitebeard. But its not as if this feat is as great as you think it is considering the context. Whitebeard is a dying man who was being artificially kept alive with medications, and got off his life support to fight in this battle for his son. Marineford for all intents and purposes and especially in hindsight, highlights the absolute weakest a yonko tier character can be, which is pretty crazy considering whitebeard was the strongest character introduced to that point.
Admiral tier is comfortably below yonko tier, but its not like yonko's can defeat admirals with a sneeze. Would obviously be a difficult fight. For akainu, the strongest admiral to consistently match and take the upper hand on oldbeard, the weakest yonko, is a completely expected result.
The marines didn't prep the battle field for the whitebeard they actually got, they prepped it for the whitebeard that was trading blows with roger for days at a time.
That's only cuz halo wasn't fleshed out but yuh I see what you talk bout
Glad to see another member of the admiral agenda
WB was a chump
14:05 your talking about a world where people have observation haki, and you also keep saying that admirals have adv observation too. even if your saying that shanks concealed his presence here, then that's still more of a shanks feat than anything else. blitzed all the way 😋
@@ImaginaryAce565 u also don’t understand how future sight works. You have to be calm akainu was yelling and about to kill Coby, he wasn’t calm and didn’t use future sight I said this in the video but yet y’all find a way to act like I didn’t
Yeah I've read everything wrong, Vista no diffs Shanks lmfao
At least you mentioned it. Even if you just spewed garbage you gave Wista the credit he deserves. The strongest swordmans equal
@@LKZ405💀💀💀💀💀
Whitebeard was fighting though with one foot in the grave, when he fought the admirals even in the Manga it is acknowledged he is not actually at full strength there.
he also before even fighting any of them is already mortally wounded from the backstab of one of his sons and other wounds.
He was also acknowledged as the Strongest man alive so, one v one.
he would probably win over any of three admirals in peak condition.
(But undoubtely lose in a 2v1 or 3v1 or 1v1-1v1-1v-1
Admirals are among the strongest people of the World.
But fights in one piece are rarely ever just 1v1 perfect conditions.
I mean let's take Kaido versus G5 luffy.
Before fighting Luffy he had fought his daughter, he had fought the strongest Samurai of Wano.
He had Fought Luffy at his absolute peak.
and he was overpowering Luffy in basically most of their match Still.
I pretty much agree with everything said but correct me if I´m wrong, WB didnt use advanced conquerors haki in all of Marineford so his AP is at least a lil bit worse than it used to be. Cuz come on if Akainu got directly hit with the attack Wwhitebeard threw at Roger, he would have taken MUCH more damage
Bro where are people getting these thumbnails! Plz tell
I say it at the very end of the video
Akainu the cherished one 🌋💪🍩
Shanks still one taps
@@arin7776 sea beast victim 💩
@@arin7776 akainu isn't kid bruh
@@Saitamaedit "are you that afraid of my father?!" Lhanks the rat
@@pearsfashions5426insurgent serpent dragon one shots that red dog
not an admiral fan but def agree with the take
Akainu can beat an OLD and SICK Whitebeard all he wants, but until he does anything to someone of Kaido’s level like Shanks did before stopping the war, bro is not that guy!!! If Akainu tried to keep fighting and attack Shanks, bro is getting folded!!! Sengoku saved Akainu’s life twice, one from Shanks and the other from Garp!!!!
Make a video like this but for Wano
Calling shanks a rat after that one chapter is kinda stupid
7:39 wow there bud
WB has a black blade? Cap
Na na bro your just beach of red dog
Yeah no, you read Marineford horribly wrong.
10/10 rage bait
Dude i didn't read it wrong
Good stuff my body. But where did you get the content in the beginning of the video for the Marineford clips?
Random high quality clips I find and piece together
Akainu stayed behind to defend against the execution because He saw kizaru,aokiji going at it realized the place will need to be defended. He only went out for the plan and garp was defending. Also the admirals doesn't have to transform islands to go all out. Akainu and aokiji fought for 10 days so the climate changed so much. Marineford took like hours another thing why would aokiji, kizaru,akainu not go all out against a yonko crew bro. The anime akianu got whitebeard mustache because of censor reasons so you can't do the face.
You say shanks caught akainu off guard kizaru did the same for marco hello. Marco saw whitebeard get a heart attack and looked away then kizaru shot him saying oh don't look away from the fight. Whitebeard easily by far the weakest yonko going into marineford having 2 heart attacks. Clearly shown he is not in his prime whitebeard strength isn't the same he is still a beast but having heart attacks and old age decrease everything. We multiple comments saying oh he's old and sick if he wasn't he would have caught that.
No I didn't.
whitebeard is not the same as prime beard the attack potency was on a different level this whitebeard barely using haki attacking is not the same as when he was younger he would imbue conquerors haki which he didnt do. was the whole island shaking like it did against gold roger after that attack no it wasnt was everyone being blown away no so it not the same
Sorry but everything you are saying about the admirals is head cannon. Bringing up punk hazard is the only argument u use only
You're telling me there is a point in which admiral fans actually ate well? Blasphemy.
2:09 ur reasoning is diabolical. What akainu meant by that is who would protect the maine fortress from pirates and the opposing faction if the admirals went out to the frontlines. IT DOES NOT MEAN they had to hold back. Work on ur inference skills