(maybe) fun fact: the finnish words for snow (lumi) and sorrow (suru) are said to be the oldest words in the language. Oldest meaning that they have remained the same without changing throughout centuries
Wow, dude!!! The interpretation is insanely good, maybe even Jari didnt think of all this and could get inspiration from these ideas, even though he wrote the lyrics himself. I never paid much attention to them, but your thoughts on them make me wonder why I didn't, and they certainly make the listening experience of the two albums much more interesting. Thank you and have a nice day!
I’ve also had a lot of these thoughts. Especially with Way of the Fire, I always felt the “fire” was a metaphor for an artist’s creative drive. Cool to see you bring these thoughts together and even add to them with some of the other tracks. One with the Shadows was written back in the 90s - the demo of it from back then is pretty identical (minus the chorus) so I’m pretty certain that song doesn’t fit the theme as well.
I think the marker of true art is that it gets people thinking and talking about it. Jari IMHO has a unique talent for this. An air of mystery, profound lyrics and music that makes you wonder how someone could even imagine that let alone bring it into reality. Really cool video on this topic and we didn't even get into the music!
An interesting analysis as usual! I will counterpoint towards comparing the lyrics to the TIME project itself. I saw Wintersun in Calgary back in 2018 on their Seasons tour, where they actually played "Storm" instead of "Darkness (Autumn)", so we can assume a lot of the instrumentation was actually finished at the time, but perhaps Jari was still perfecting the recordings/mixing/editing. Back in some old interviews after Wintersun originally released their first album, Jari has stated on more than one occasion that he has notebooks full of lyrics that he wants to write in to songs, but his perfectionism gets in his way of actually releasing the songs. So I personally don't think the TIME lyrics are directly referencing the project, but perhaps Jari as an artist and person. The way I have listened to TIME I, I always interpreted the lyrics to be from the perspective of the Starchild from the original Wintersun album, with lines like: "Let go, of the stars, the stars that fell into the sea" "Destroy the walls of time Hands of the blind are holding your fate Tides of life will take you away, will take you away"" Or even the parts titles "Part II: Burning Star" and "Part IV: The Sea of Stars", make me feel a strong parallel when listening to TIME. That's not saying that the Starchild isn't Jari himself? A possibility for sure.
Very VERY interesting my man, so it seems to reason that perhaps Time was even more personal than I even thought 👍👍 very interesting about Starchild as well, I never even considered that, but honestly It absolutely makes sense
I didnt even know time 2 came out. Time 1 was released during my vocational college years and loved it. And now Time 2 is out... Worked full time for 10 years grinding my career in hope of a comfortable life at the end. I still have to listen to it but in that timespan life has been a rollercoaster, with unfortunately atm a not so great time and dealing with that. Wintersun and mostly Jari are more akin to the greatest classical composers than metal musicians. Love your breakdown of this im gonna sit down and listen to time 2 in peace when I have the chance.
It seems obvious to point out the the parallel between how long the album took to release and the concept of the album itself. But I hadnt really thought that deeply about it. But it does make it almost poetic. It makes the Time Albums as much performance art as they are music.
I usually don't get too emotional around music, but I was tearing up listening to Fields of Snow the first time because I was thinking about everything in my life between Time I & II. While I certainly wouldn't recommend a 12 year gap between albums, I really think that it made it more than just a new album. In particular, I can't help but notice how much harder this line hits with the 12 year gap: "Sleep now for a while before the storm awakes, And one day it will reward you for the burden of wait"
@@seanmakessound Definitely hit me the same way man. When Time 1 came out, I was a junior in High School. Now I have a wife, 2 kids, and a house. And hearing time 2 brought me right back into my 17 year old brain just awestruck at the music. 😭
Cheers from Calgary, here there are few in total able to admire the works of Jari, it's frustrating hahaha. I personally have been changed through this music, it lifted me up the many many times I've fallen down, and each listen reminds me of the struggles I've been through and signals perseverance. I believe Time is indeed about life. The past, present, and future, present to us many gifts and i believe it's through this album we are able to introspect and find them.
I liked the analysis. I personally don’t think that he intentionally decided to have this huge gap between the albums. But the lyrics and the story fit that narrative so well and they end up having even more impact this way.
I'm pretty sure the sound at the beginning of Time I and and the end of Time II is supposed to be wind in trees (would make sense with Silver Leaves, plus the whole tree imagery throughout both albums). Doesn't sound like seashore to me. But thanks for pointing out that the sound is also at the very beginning, I've never noticed it before!
Look,he released Time II at perfect timing because we can now understand it an feel it for what it is…just like 5yrs ago we all weren’t developed enough to percive anything we actually are today ☺️
Really good analysis of the lyrics of the entire Time saga. I've been waiting for Time II to release since 2011/2012 right around the time that I had just started high school and shooting forward 12/13 years to 2024 when it came out, it's odd to look back and think how much I've experienced/progressed since then and how much of life has gone by since those seemingly idyllic days long ago. It also makes the release a bit somber when you imagine that a non-negligable number of people likely passed away waiting for the album to finally be released, which I think is oddly fitting with the themes you were mentioning in your analysis.
The Time Saga is a living legend and Jari way more than his musical excellence. But your analysis and Interpretations are not far from being genius and deeply rooted! I literally felt in aggreement and synchronization with what you said, right from the beginning! So good - huge compliment I remember being 12years old and not knowing that in 7 years in the future I'll discover the first part Time I and wintersun. And what should I say, since the day I discovered them, the Time I Songs and Album has since been my alltime favourite music. But from now on being 24 years old, I have to say, it's the Time Saga - Time I + Time II
What a great review and interpretation of these two masterpiece albums! You have such intelligent content and thoughts about Wintersun, subscribed immediately. Having recently watched many Wintersun reviews, and most videos on RUclips being mainly just lame "look I am reacting!!1!!1" -type of videos.
I was really eager to hear your take on the Time albums, especially the lyricism, but I find that I've actually had all of my worst fears confirmed for me. I agree almost 100% with your lyrical interpretation, but it's the lyrics that I kinda hate about Time II, and are causing me to sour on it very quickly. With Time I, the music paints images in my mind, of scenery and characters, endless fields of snow, dark starry skies, heroic riders, magic... And Time II paints the image of an angry man seething in his studio, frustratedly adding another 2000 layers of synth to a song that was more or less finished a decade ago, lashing out against his fans. The meta lyrics feel very bitter and self-aggrandizing, and beyond feeling like I'm being personally attacked by the creator (CANT YOU SEE THAT I'M TRYING?!) my immersion in the music is completely broken because instead of the music being about a character, a place, or a story... it's just about how hard it is to record music. Which I already know, and is what makes it impressive when you can do something beautiful with it.
In pre-christian Europe the cyclical worldview with death and rebirth was prevelant too. I doubt Jari is christian or has a christian worldview in any way. Ensiferum debut was very much inspired by old finnish mythology (songs about Väinämöinen as an example).
Not sure but you may be interested in "The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis" by Matthieu Pageau which discusses how time is cyclical even in the Bible.
Nice analysis! I don’t think prolonged release of Time 2 was intentional though, because there are indeed huge difference in the mix between Time 1 and Time 1 2.0. Once you listen to Time 1 2.0, you can never go back to the original version on 1.5 version.
I think the album being an allegory to itself is purely unintentional as the lyrics were written very early on, before many of the technical problems arose. But it just goes to show how versatile this album is in the ways it can be interpreted.
Also from an interview we know that Jari actually wanted to sing in Chinese or Japanese for Silver Leaves but he didn't speak any of those languages so "Maybe Finnish was the next best thing." Yet it works because of this interpretation
Good video but i have a theory that basically all these songs are about his near death experience he had in the military, getting lost in the snow or something. Lots of similar themes and lines to the S/T
Having now finished to watch your video, I think you make some great points, but some others seem a bit weird to me. You're insisting a lot on the fact the lyrics are about the album itself and how Jari finally found the energy to push through it. To me, that doesn't make much sense, since the album was written before all the technical issues and the long wait (so were the lyrics). Why would he sing about something that is not even supposed to happen? On the other hand, I know had some severe medical issues and already wrote about them because he was in a very dark place at the time: Beautiful Death is about that, so maybe some other songs could be related to this too? Like, you know, despair, fear of death, then hope and renewal. I don't know, but I would be very curious to hear Jari's explanation about the lyrics.
He gave a very vague explanation and said he wants to keep it to himself so everyone can have their own interpretation. I think it was the interview on the channel 'A&P Reacts'
Time is endless. Life is not. This universe can only support life for a brief moment. It will decay and be cold, dark, and dead, but time still ticks on forever.
@@thimovijfschaft3271 The Universe cannot sustain that cycle forever. It all must come to a final end after an unimaginable amount of time. There's nothing left but ash. You cannot reverse entropy.
Time needs a reference point. If there’s no difference between point A and point B that can be a measured then there is no time. When our local universe ceases to exist then there will be not reference point anymore and thus no time in our local universe. How can you assert with certainty that it MUST come to an end? How many universes have you examined to come to that conclusion that matter will cease to exist? You’re defying your own argument. If all that will be left is ash then things won’t come to an end because the end would be the point where no energy/matter exists anymore. Ash is still made up of matter. And you cannot destroy energy/matter only convert it. Think of burning something. You’re not burning the atoms are you? You’re changing the make up of what you’re burning. You’re not destroying the atoms that make up the thing you’re burning. Atoms won’t just go away unless the universe goes away. But then again since our local universe is made out of matter it has to go somewhere if we’re following the laws of physics. Either way people like you annoy me. You think you’re spewing deep philosophical concepts when you don’t. Shit is much more complicated to be summarized with a high school level of philosophy.
@@chrisking6695 sorry for the confusion, but they’re just metaphors bud. Obviously there’s no ash. That’s silly. What I meant by ashes is that all matter in the universe was converted into radiation and light. The whole universe becomes a single homogeneous soup and it stays in this state, as far as we know, forever, thus the final end of the story of our universe.
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Thank you for the analysis! Very interesting. 🙂🤘
Thank YOU for the wonderful music!
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Also mind, that 2012 was the "year of the dragon" - and 2024 again is the "year of the dragon".
Wow!
Dude I am pleasantly surprised you did an analysis for Wintersun. I love this band.
@@metalmanny666 you are welcome my good man! 👍
(maybe) fun fact: the finnish words for snow (lumi) and sorrow (suru) are said to be the oldest words in the language. Oldest meaning that they have remained the same without changing throughout centuries
lmao no way
Wow, dude!!! The interpretation is insanely good, maybe even Jari didnt think of all this and could get inspiration from these ideas, even though he wrote the lyrics himself. I never paid much attention to them, but your thoughts on them make me wonder why I didn't, and they certainly make the listening experience of the two albums much more interesting. Thank you and have a nice day!
I’ve also had a lot of these thoughts. Especially with Way of the Fire, I always felt the “fire” was a metaphor for an artist’s creative drive. Cool to see you bring these thoughts together and even add to them with some of the other tracks. One with the Shadows was written back in the 90s - the demo of it from back then is pretty identical (minus the chorus) so I’m pretty certain that song doesn’t fit the theme as well.
I think the marker of true art is that it gets people thinking and talking about it. Jari IMHO has a unique talent for this. An air of mystery, profound lyrics and music that makes you wonder how someone could even imagine that let alone bring it into reality. Really cool video on this topic and we didn't even get into the music!
An interesting analysis as usual!
I will counterpoint towards comparing the lyrics to the TIME project itself. I saw Wintersun in Calgary back in 2018 on their Seasons tour, where they actually played "Storm" instead of "Darkness (Autumn)", so we can assume a lot of the instrumentation was actually finished at the time, but perhaps Jari was still perfecting the recordings/mixing/editing.
Back in some old interviews after Wintersun originally released their first album, Jari has stated on more than one occasion that he has notebooks full of lyrics that he wants to write in to songs, but his perfectionism gets in his way of actually releasing the songs. So I personally don't think the TIME lyrics are directly referencing the project, but perhaps Jari as an artist and person.
The way I have listened to TIME I, I always interpreted the lyrics to be from the perspective of the Starchild from the original Wintersun album, with lines like:
"Let go, of the stars, the stars that fell into the sea"
"Destroy the walls of time
Hands of the blind are holding your fate
Tides of life will take you away, will take you away""
Or even the parts titles "Part II: Burning Star" and "Part IV: The Sea of Stars", make me feel a strong parallel when listening to TIME. That's not saying that the Starchild isn't Jari himself? A possibility for sure.
Very VERY interesting my man, so it seems to reason that perhaps Time was even more personal than I even thought 👍👍 very interesting about Starchild as well, I never even considered that, but honestly It absolutely makes sense
@@VARVIS_ and musically Starchild has a lot in common with the Time albums
Good interpretation. I also had a feeling that this album is talking about itself. Especially Storm.
I didnt even know time 2 came out. Time 1 was released during my vocational college years and loved it. And now Time 2 is out... Worked full time for 10 years grinding my career in hope of a comfortable life at the end. I still have to listen to it but in that timespan life has been a rollercoaster, with unfortunately atm a not so great time and dealing with that. Wintersun and mostly Jari are more akin to the greatest classical composers than metal musicians. Love your breakdown of this im gonna sit down and listen to time 2 in peace when I have the chance.
It seems obvious to point out the the parallel between how long the album took to release and the concept of the album itself. But I hadnt really thought that deeply about it. But it does make it almost poetic. It makes the Time Albums as much performance art as they are music.
I usually don't get too emotional around music, but I was tearing up listening to Fields of Snow the first time because I was thinking about everything in my life between Time I & II. While I certainly wouldn't recommend a 12 year gap between albums, I really think that it made it more than just a new album. In particular, I can't help but notice how much harder this line hits with the 12 year gap:
"Sleep now for a while before the storm awakes,
And one day it will reward you for the burden of wait"
@@seanmakessound Definitely hit me the same way man. When Time 1 came out, I was a junior in High School. Now I have a wife, 2 kids, and a house. And hearing time 2 brought me right back into my 17 year old brain just awestruck at the music. 😭
Cheers from Calgary, here there are few in total able to admire the works of Jari, it's frustrating hahaha.
I personally have been changed through this music, it lifted me up the many many times I've fallen down, and each listen reminds me of the struggles I've been through and signals perseverance.
I believe Time is indeed about life. The past, present, and future, present to us many gifts and i believe it's through this album we are able to introspect and find them.
I'm not even half way through and I absolutely love this video! Amazing stuff. I feel like I get even more about these albums now
Okay, halfway through now, I want to say Time I and Time II are the Yin and Yang of the same story. The latter being the more positive outlook
I liked the analysis. I personally don’t think that he intentionally decided to have this huge gap between the albums. But the lyrics and the story fit that narrative so well and they end up having even more impact this way.
Thanks for the analysis! I was taken aback by how Storm in particular fit your thesis.
I'm pretty sure the sound at the beginning of Time I and and the end of Time II is supposed to be wind in trees (would make sense with Silver Leaves, plus the whole tree imagery throughout both albums). Doesn't sound like seashore to me. But thanks for pointing out that the sound is also at the very beginning, I've never noticed it before!
Look,he released Time II at perfect timing because we can now understand it an feel it for what it is…just like 5yrs ago we all weren’t developed enough to percive anything we actually are today ☺️
Really good analysis of the lyrics of the entire Time saga. I've been waiting for Time II to release since 2011/2012 right around the time that I had just started high school and shooting forward 12/13 years to 2024 when it came out, it's odd to look back and think how much I've experienced/progressed since then and how much of life has gone by since those seemingly idyllic days long ago. It also makes the release a bit somber when you imagine that a non-negligable number of people likely passed away waiting for the album to finally be released, which I think is oddly fitting with the themes you were mentioning in your analysis.
Haven’t heard of this band so I’ll try it out
Its really really good 👍
@@VARVIS_ I’ll trust you on that👍🏻
You're in for a hell of a ride!
@@seanmakessound ok👍
Not a band I had listened to before but really enjoyed this vid because its you
Been waiting for this video for a while no cap
Ayyy lets go
The Time Saga is a living legend and Jari way more than his musical excellence.
But your analysis and Interpretations are not far from being genius and deeply rooted!
I literally felt in aggreement and synchronization with what you said, right from the beginning!
So good - huge compliment
I remember being 12years old and not knowing that in 7 years in the future I'll discover the first part Time I and wintersun. And what should I say, since the day I discovered them, the Time I Songs and Album has since been my alltime favourite music. But from now on being 24 years old, I have to say, it's the Time Saga - Time I + Time II
What a great review and interpretation of these two masterpiece albums! You have such intelligent content and thoughts about Wintersun, subscribed immediately. Having recently watched many Wintersun reviews, and most videos on RUclips being mainly just lame "look I am reacting!!1!!1" -type of videos.
Wow! Very interesting interpretation!
A great RUclips metal channel
Ayy thanks man 🙏🏻
sir this is a wendy's very well done varvis
I was really eager to hear your take on the Time albums, especially the lyricism, but I find that I've actually had all of my worst fears confirmed for me. I agree almost 100% with your lyrical interpretation, but it's the lyrics that I kinda hate about Time II, and are causing me to sour on it very quickly. With Time I, the music paints images in my mind, of scenery and characters, endless fields of snow, dark starry skies, heroic riders, magic... And Time II paints the image of an angry man seething in his studio, frustratedly adding another 2000 layers of synth to a song that was more or less finished a decade ago, lashing out against his fans. The meta lyrics feel very bitter and self-aggrandizing, and beyond feeling like I'm being personally attacked by the creator (CANT YOU SEE THAT I'M TRYING?!) my immersion in the music is completely broken because instead of the music being about a character, a place, or a story... it's just about how hard it is to record music. Which I already know, and is what makes it impressive when you can do something beautiful with it.
Hmmm interesting perspective. I can definitely see where you are coming from with that. It is a bit cringe lol
As time passes the passage of time will allow us to be unburdened by what has been.
In pre-christian Europe the cyclical worldview with death and rebirth was prevelant too. I doubt Jari is christian or has a christian worldview in any way. Ensiferum debut was very much inspired by old finnish mythology (songs about Väinämöinen as an example).
@@ilikevideos4868 great point man, absolutely I should have brought that up 👍👍👍
Not sure but you may be interested in "The Language of Creation: Cosmic Symbolism in Genesis" by Matthieu Pageau which discusses how time is cyclical even in the Bible.
@@karott599 i will check this out thank you good sir 🫡
Nice analysis! I don’t think prolonged release of Time 2 was intentional though, because there are indeed huge difference in the mix between Time 1 and Time 1 2.0. Once you listen to Time 1 2.0, you can never go back to the original version on 1.5 version.
I think the album being an allegory to itself is purely unintentional as the lyrics were written very early on, before many of the technical problems arose. But it just goes to show how versatile this album is in the ways it can be interpreted.
Absolutely!
Also from an interview we know that Jari actually wanted to sing in Chinese or Japanese for Silver Leaves but he didn't speak any of those languages so "Maybe Finnish was the next best thing."
Yet it works because of this interpretation
@@thimovijfschaft3271 yep, but subconcious mind is a powerful thing.
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Good video but i have a theory that basically all these songs are about his near death experience he had in the military, getting lost in the snow or something.
Lots of similar themes and lines to the S/T
Is there Teemu in the picture.... The today Megadeths lead guitar 😮
Yes, he plays in wintersun
... and Kai on left, Jukka on right; Nightwish crew, if You didn't know...
Having now finished to watch your video, I think you make some great points, but some others seem a bit weird to me. You're insisting a lot on the fact the lyrics are about the album itself and how Jari finally found the energy to push through it. To me, that doesn't make much sense, since the album was written before all the technical issues and the long wait (so were the lyrics). Why would he sing about something that is not even supposed to happen?
On the other hand, I know had some severe medical issues and already wrote about them because he was in a very dark place at the time: Beautiful Death is about that, so maybe some other songs could be related to this too? Like, you know, despair, fear of death, then hope and renewal. I don't know, but I would be very curious to hear Jari's explanation about the lyrics.
He gave a very vague explanation and said he wants to keep it to himself so everyone can have their own interpretation.
I think it was the interview on the channel 'A&P Reacts'
a "BRIEF" analysis??
Bro I usually spend 30-40 minutes on a SINGLE song 😂
@@VARVIS_ Could... Could you do it for the songs on Time I and II..? 🥺
Time is endless. Life is not. This universe can only support life for a brief moment. It will decay and be cold, dark, and dead, but time still ticks on forever.
@@ravenwda007 Great summary.
But during spring the decay enriches the soil making way for new life. It's why Time I and II loop.
@@thimovijfschaft3271 The Universe cannot sustain that cycle forever. It all must come to a final end after an unimaginable amount of time. There's nothing left but ash. You cannot reverse entropy.
Time needs a reference point. If there’s no difference between point A and point B that can be a measured then there is no time. When our local universe ceases to exist then there will be not reference point anymore and thus no time in our local universe.
How can you assert with certainty that it MUST come to an end? How many universes have you examined to come to that conclusion that matter will cease to exist?
You’re defying your own argument. If all that will be left is ash then things won’t come to an end because the end would be the point where no energy/matter exists anymore. Ash is still made up of matter. And you cannot destroy energy/matter only convert it. Think of burning something. You’re not burning the atoms are you? You’re changing the make up of what you’re burning. You’re not destroying the atoms that make up the thing you’re burning. Atoms won’t just go away unless the universe goes away. But then again since our local universe is made out of matter it has to go somewhere if we’re following the laws of physics.
Either way people like you annoy me. You think you’re spewing deep philosophical concepts when you don’t. Shit is much more complicated to be summarized with a high school level of philosophy.
@@chrisking6695 sorry for the confusion, but they’re just metaphors bud. Obviously there’s no ash. That’s silly. What I meant by ashes is that all matter in the universe was converted into radiation and light. The whole universe becomes a single homogeneous soup and it stays in this state, as far as we know, forever, thus the final end of the story of our universe.