I agree, as jumping is gaining height on the vertical axis, and dropping from the ceiling is literally losing height. Also, other moves requiring the B button are legal. Therefore, the challenge is possible.
Personally, I think it's as much of a jump as jumping as a goomba is in Odyssey. Meaning the reason it isn't a jump is that you're transformed into another creature. Is that logic kinda stupid and flimsy? Probably, but I don't care.
@@hinzbxIf you consider this as jumping, you force the challenge to be impossible as you need to gain height. The idea of this type of challenge is not to press the jump button
If you’re taking suggestions for challenges in this game, here’s a individual-level challenge I found interesting: Equip the Rhythm Jump badge, and try to clear the level without breaking the streak by either jumping off-rhythm or missing one of the points you’re meant to jump at.
I'd say that since it wasn't technically a jump, but instead just you letting go of the wall, that bit where you dropped onto the Wonder Seed from above is legal.
Amazingly done, didn’t think it would be possible at all. On the topic of jumpless challenges I would like to suggestion one for the heroes in another dimension mode from Kirby star Allies as it looks like it could be interesting
Of course dropping from the ceiling is legal! No matter what button you pressed, it's quite clear that dropping from the ceiling isn't the same thing as jumping.
It was thought of because another game has an in game jump counter (that’s only visible once you beat the game) and some gamer enby decided to beat the whole game without jumping just to see it at 0
There is a trick with the safety bounce batch: Mount a Yoshi! If you mount a yoshi, the yoshi can jump on any pit/lava/poison 2 times before he dies, boosting the character on top in the air AND this character has a third jump on the pit! And with two yoshies you can do a flutter jump in between each, giving you 7 movements upwards wirhout any plattform! You can just skip giant parts of a level that way!
You have no idea how badly I want some indie dev to create a platformer without a jump button. Your character can have all kinds of tools at their disposal to progress through Mario or Sonic-style obstacle courses. Just no ability to jump.
Disregarding safety bounce badge is crazy, as long as you touch ground after a bounce you refresh it and it works for poison/lava which would've helped immensely in some levels here.
I think the Wubba drop does count as a jump. Based on a wall jump counting as a jump, it doesn’t matter what the angle of the surface is. Especially, since it is activated by the jump button. It’s a stupid, contrived jump since you should be able to drop by pressing down like on the underside of dash rails but it’s still a jump.
Dang that last level in Fungi Mines is the challenge run killer. Must jump, must touch coin, etc. Also I guess if you glitch into World 4, the game no longer checks for the World 3 Royal Seed? I was expecting you to have to come back to it somehow.
No jumping, what is this black magic like? Honestly, it's impossible like you need to get the goals and fly pool. You need to jump on certain things to get to the flagpole. Either jump some obstacles. I don't know if that's even possible if someone didn't let me know. And I would be impressed. Like honestly there's no way I can do it
I tried my own jump challenge recently where I didn't allow ghosting, but I did allow one player to jump. I also decided wall jumps were fine, and I managed to make it to W5 with the help of Spring Feet and Jet Run
I'd say a jump is only a jump if it actually increases your speed in a direction. When you drop from the ceiling it doesn't do that, it only let's gravity take over.
14:45 my first idea is bubble flower since you can shoot some on the ground and with good rng bounce up without use of jump buttons your idea was better
Rad video!! Love the multiplayer strats. I do want to ask, CMeeCraft have you seen GameChamp's recent no coins whatsoever Mario Wonder video? If so, any thoughts, since you did something similar? She just went crazy with it
The upside jump definitely counts as a jump, gravity was just flipped, if you simply flip the camera view, you’ll see that the jump gains height, just in the inverse, so instead of gaining positive height, you’re gaining negative height, still a jump though
ok so im a minute in, i'm gonna say yes because of what gamechamp did in her coinless on The Way of the Goomba. If you allow co-op's bounce from a ghost release then I don't know what stops you, though iirc that was somewhat reliant on ONLINE multiplayer so maybe if you ban that you're fine. oh i forgot there was a mandatory race ok interesting good vid!
I'd say the drop at the end of Fungi Mines is legally a jump, since you are jumping off the ceiling, which I know sounds strange. If you were to do this at any other ceiling, the force at which you fall is greater than if you jumped off the ground and fell. Not only that, but you could also argue that your perspective has changed, reversing up and down, thus the ceiling is ground. So no, I'd say it's not possible to beat _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ without jumping.
I don't think it's a jump because there is no initial velocity like there would be with a jump. It all comes from the pull of gravity. It's the same thing as if the character were holding themselves with their arms and just let go.
@@azelfdaboi5265 Yes but you're also not the book itself. If you consider this from the POV of the Wubba, they are pushing themself "upwards" from the "ground". Directions are relative.
Apparently not, It seems entering Castle Bowser requires just the first royal seed, sense you are required to get that one. It is just assumed you get all the others, too.
The challenge where two Yoshis mercilessly murder themselves (and in some cases each other) in their quest of never being caught leaving the ground with positive vertical speed.
"Spin JUMP" badge. Yeah this video is just complete lies. You used a jump. Im so sick of mario challenges pretending they did something or got close when they outright cheated. Not a good video.
1:04 have you not watched the literal first two minutes of the video? he provides a definition for jumping for the challenge, and mid-air height gain was explicitly stated as legal. it may have jump in the name, but by the bounds of the challenge it is a perfectly legal move.
HE CHEATED, THE FINAL UNCHARTED AREA POISON RUINS IS IMPOSSIBLE, EVEN WITH THE EXCLAMATION MARK BLOCKS BADGE, YOU NEED TO JUMP ONCE TO GET TO THE OTHER WALL Sorry for the complain, I got an answer
I believe the portion you're talking about is the Wubba section right after you ignore the flagpole. I assure you that jumping there is not necessary. You just need to ghost from the right location to stick to the other wall. It was actually such a simple process that I didn't feel the need to dwell on it in the video. Sorry for the confusion.
@@CMeeCraftGaming ok can you give me it so I know what I should try in my no b/y/a press challenge? I can't get through that part, so I must use 2 player mode and I still can't make it
To make watching the video more bearable, you should trim the silence in between each sentence to make it flow better. I really want to watch the video but the pauses are killing me
These NO JUMP videos are terrible for a challenge since you have to jump on curtain points of games in order to progress the story/gameplay to finish the NO JUMP challenge, so you really need to change ALL titles to LEAST AMOUNT of jumps to each game that require you to jump, since making acceptances ruing the purpose of the said challenge. Like take the Kirby And the Forgotten Land NO JUMP challenge since you want to use a curtain ability to upgrade it to make a glitch, BUT that actually requires JUMPING to get that said upgrade, in order to get to that glitch.
I think dropping from the ceiling should be legal. That's a drop, not a jump. You're quite literally losing elevation - the opposite of a jump.
And considering you're "letting go" off the surface rather than propelling from it, well, it should be legal
I agree, as jumping is gaining height on the vertical axis, and dropping from the ceiling is literally losing height. Also, other moves requiring the B button are legal. Therefore, the challenge is possible.
Personally, I think it's as much of a jump as jumping as a goomba is in Odyssey.
Meaning the reason it isn't a jump is that you're transformed into another creature. Is that logic kinda stupid and flimsy? Probably, but I don't care.
Also, that's not a player jumping
@@hinzbxIf you consider this as jumping, you force the challenge to be impossible as you need to gain height. The idea of this type of challenge is not to press the jump button
Wow, it’s not just Mario dropping yoshi into pits, it’s other yoshis too 😱
If the Flutter JUMP and Safty JUMP are allowed in a no jump challange, then cancelling holding on to a wall is allowed, too.
It’s the safety bounce and bouncing isn’t jumping you just jump when bouncing so you have a point and this comment has no purpose
Flutter kick and safety bounce. But simply letting go of the ceiling definitely isn't a jump anyway.
I stopped watching like 3 minutes in because I could tell they were just going to abuse flutter jump. Even though jump is right in the name
It has been called both hover and flutter kick as well in the past. So valid.
@@johnathanmetzger7597 its flutter jump im p sure
If you’re taking suggestions for challenges in this game, here’s a individual-level challenge I found interesting: Equip the Rhythm Jump badge, and try to clear the level without breaking the streak by either jumping off-rhythm or missing one of the points you’re meant to jump at.
I'd say that since it wasn't technically a jump, but instead just you letting go of the wall, that bit where you dropped onto the Wonder Seed from above is legal.
Yeah, you basically let gravity do the job for you, since the characters dont propel themselves from the ceiling to fall at max speed almost instantly
This seems like a very fun Co-op challenge more then a solo challenge.
Would definitely be a lot less annoying with another person.
Amazingly done, didn’t think it would be possible at all. On the topic of jumpless challenges I would like to suggestion one for the heroes in another dimension mode from Kirby star Allies as it looks like it could be interesting
Of course dropping from the ceiling is legal! No matter what button you pressed, it's quite clear that dropping from the ceiling isn't the same thing as jumping.
I tried this a while back but gave up since it was just too difficult. Great work on actually completing this!
I was wondering how helpful the Spring Feet badge would be... before realising its behind "Jump! Jump! Jump!" Good luck.
a cinematic level is impossible, yet CROUCHING HIGH JUMP IS. i think it might be possible.
@@evanhanchett893jump jump jump is way too fast for the challenge
Reminder that this challenge was thought of by complete accident.
It was thought of because another game has an in game jump counter (that’s only visible once you beat the game) and some gamer enby decided to beat the whole game without jumping just to see it at 0
There is a trick with the safety bounce batch:
Mount a Yoshi!
If you mount a yoshi, the yoshi can jump on any pit/lava/poison 2 times before he dies, boosting the character on top in the air AND this character has a third jump on the pit!
And with two yoshies you can do a flutter jump in between each, giving you 7 movements upwards wirhout any plattform! You can just skip giant parts of a level that way!
You have no idea how badly I want some indie dev to create a platformer without a jump button. Your character can have all kinds of tools at their disposal to progress through Mario or Sonic-style obstacle courses. Just no ability to jump.
captain toad (not indie)
VVVVVV may be somewhat along the lines of what you're looking for
I've been waiting for someone to make this video ever since I beat 1-1 without jumping myself, knowing that it might just be possible.
Same, i was gonna do it myself, but I took so long i knew someone would do it
Now do it without moving, breathing, seeing, hearing, jumping, getting wonder seeds, getting coins, killing enemies, and without hands.
Disregarding safety bounce badge is crazy, as long as you touch ground after a bounce you refresh it and it works for poison/lava which would've helped immensely in some levels here.
That was some nice foreshadowing on the final level badge. Didn't see it coming at all.
Watching you skip a badge and then immediately encounter 2 stages where that badge would've been practically necessary hurts.
I feel like the wubba is literally holding onto the ceiling, so he's just... letting go.
I think the Wubba drop does count as a jump. Based on a wall jump counting as a jump, it doesn’t matter what the angle of the surface is. Especially, since it is activated by the jump button. It’s a stupid, contrived jump since you should be able to drop by pressing down like on the underside of dash rails but it’s still a jump.
Dang that last level in Fungi Mines is the challenge run killer. Must jump, must touch coin, etc.
Also I guess if you glitch into World 4, the game no longer checks for the World 3 Royal Seed? I was expecting you to have to come back to it somehow.
The game only checks for world 4 5 and 6 wonder seeds since it assumes you've done the first three
I would say that it doesn’t count as a jump
No jumping, what is this black magic like? Honestly, it's impossible like you need to get the goals and fly pool. You need to jump on certain things to get to the flagpole. Either jump some obstacles. I don't know if that's even possible if someone didn't let me know. And I would be impressed. Like honestly there's no way I can do it
This is cool, is it possible to do the special world without jumping?
I tried my own jump challenge recently where I didn't allow ghosting, but I did allow one player to jump. I also decided wall jumps were fine, and I managed to make it to W5 with the help of Spring Feet and Jet Run
I'd say a jump is only a jump if it actually increases your speed in a direction. When you drop from the ceiling it doesn't do that, it only let's gravity take over.
Holy shit, is that the highly underrated DoubleE of the wonderous series Daily Silksong Sacrifices?!?!?!
@@Sylvia_Corvidev Yes, it is I, piss gaming.
in the wiggler races, couldn't you just eat the mushroom guys instead of damage boosting?
You can't eat them, but if you picked nabbit you can just power through since he doesn't get knocked back after damage.
Super Mario Bros. Wonder but everyone had their legs amputated.
My rule is that a jump is defined by what makes a Hoppycat jump
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
22:01 it’s kinda controversial but you did have it count as a jump based on your gameplay on the previous level.
6:30 i feel an obvious solution here is using nabbit?
8:40 have a player as elephant
11:50 foreshadowing?
12:50 it doesnt appear that doing that single player would be hard?
13:50 this glitch was found by burgerandfreys and expanded upon by zimbo7 roblox8192 pigpopper and luigifan
14:45 my first idea is bubble flower since you can shoot some on the ground and with good rng bounce up without use of jump buttons
your idea was better
That wasnt jumping, that was falling with style!
Rad video!! Love the multiplayer strats.
I do want to ask, CMeeCraft have you seen GameChamp's recent no coins whatsoever Mario Wonder video? If so, any thoughts, since you did something similar? She just went crazy with it
Funny how that one specific cinematic level seems to screw over every challenge run
I really like this challenge!! I atenpted myself before and was wanting to you to do this
The upside jump definitely counts as a jump, gravity was just flipped, if you simply flip the camera view, you’ll see that the jump gains height, just in the inverse, so instead of gaining positive height, you’re gaining negative height, still a jump though
Dropping from the ceiling is good.
I personally wouldn’t consider the wubba drop legal, but I’m sure there is another work-around in the game somewhere
The wubba situation has an easy solution treat it like how you treat it to dropping with a drill mushroom.
I feel like the midair flutter could get some more utility
Nice video! Love the. Work keep it up!
I Think You Should Bring The Unnecessary Series Back For Wonder
Question is swimming with the B button before you get dolphin kick a jump or?
Is no one going to talk about how he illegally skipped the wonder flower in swaying ruins?
Yeah I also saw that
Would Outmawey Valley had been easier if you used one of the other chatacters with a Fire Flower?
yaaay! youre back!!!
bro ghosted himself more times than my ex ghosted me
ok so im a minute in, i'm gonna say yes because of what gamechamp did in her coinless on The Way of the Goomba. If you allow co-op's bounce from a ghost release then I don't know what stops you, though iirc that was somewhat reliant on ONLINE multiplayer so maybe if you ban that you're fine.
oh i forgot there was a mandatory race ok interesting
good vid!
21:47
this is legal you are dropping not jumping
If you drop of fall down the stairs, you are not jumping.
Is it just me, or does EVERY challenge run in this game so far require that glitch?
An small challange idea you could maybe do try beatng mario wonder without talking to a talking flower
Dang dude. Amazing.
why does operation poplin rescue cause the most problems in challenge runs💀
I'd wager it's the combo of forced wonder seed in a cinematic level. Each of those things reduce your options significantly but together...
do jumps on the world map count?
I'd say the drop at the end of Fungi Mines is legally a jump, since you are jumping off the ceiling, which I know sounds strange.
If you were to do this at any other ceiling, the force at which you fall is greater than if you jumped off the ground and fell. Not only that, but you could also argue that your perspective has changed, reversing up and down, thus the ceiling is ground.
So no, I'd say it's not possible to beat _Super Mario Bros. Wonder_ without jumping.
I don't think it's a jump because there is no initial velocity like there would be with a jump. It all comes from the pull of gravity. It's the same thing as if the character were holding themselves with their arms and just let go.
@@JacobIczkowski You're still fundamentally pushing yourself off of a surface via the jump button.
Dropping isnt jumping. When you drop a book, you dont say the book jumped.
@@azelfdaboi5265 Yes but you're also not the book itself. If you consider this from the POV of the Wubba, they are pushing themself "upwards" from the "ground". Directions are relative.
You're just being a contrarian. You know you're wrong.@@ArgentuTA164-2
Dropping from the ceiling uses a different, clearly-just-letting-go animation from the squishy jump animation, so it's not a jump.
I remember doing this myself but then giving up on world 3 boss level thing cuz it was too hard
If I had the capability, I could help you with Wiggler Race Mountaineering
Legit just got this game for Christmas lol
Same
Hey, you have a typo in the description. It says "ow normally", instead of what I assume should be "Now normally".
Great video as usual! Now im curious about how much of the game when going for 100% is possible!
I think I might try that soon. I'll start the series on the second week of January, and will hopefully be done by early fall of 2024.
Finally, a reason to use the auto jump badge
You are not pushing off of a solid object to let go, so I don't think it count's as a jump.
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Merry Christmas 2023
does jumping off a gumba count?
Fun fact: Did you know nabit doesn't get knocked back wen damaged
The drop from the ceiling is a drop, not a jump.
i don't consider dropping from the ceiling illegal
it's a DROP
it's literary the opposite of jump
falling its falling
So, do you not need all the royal seeds to access bowser?
Apparently not, It seems entering Castle Bowser requires just the first royal seed, sense you are required to get that one. It is just assumed you get all the others, too.
This guy is a hidden hem of the RUclips community keep on posting!
YOSHI IS LEGAL FOR THIS CHALLENGE?
I thought Yoshi’s thing was literally a flutter jump how is that legal
I always play Mario with only spin jump
A wubba dropping doesn't count
First! Also, you make great videos!
The challenge where two Yoshis mercilessly murder themselves (and in some cases each other) in their quest of never being caught leaving the ground with positive vertical speed.
It's hilarious to see how every single challenge in this game uses the glitch of getting out of bounds on the world map...
nice
That wubba jump isnt a jump. It just... unsticks itself. Plus you dont gain elevation but lose it. NOT A JUMP.
Is the level with wubba drop mandatory to beat at all? To beat the flower of?
Sadly, yes.
Mandatory, otherwise the screen at the start of the level doesn't scroll which makes the level impossible otherwise
you make the rules besides you loose height
"Spin JUMP" badge. Yeah this video is just complete lies. You used a jump. Im so sick of mario challenges pretending they did something or got close when they outright cheated. Not a good video.
Also, Flutter JUMP
1:04 have you not watched the literal first two minutes of the video? he provides a definition for jumping for the challenge, and mid-air height gain was explicitly stated as legal. it may have jump in the name, but by the bounds of the challenge it is a perfectly legal move.
jist use two half joycons
its legal, your not jumping at all
HE CHEATED, THE FINAL UNCHARTED AREA POISON RUINS IS IMPOSSIBLE, EVEN WITH THE EXCLAMATION MARK BLOCKS BADGE, YOU NEED TO JUMP ONCE TO GET TO THE OTHER WALL
Sorry for the complain, I got an answer
I believe the portion you're talking about is the Wubba section right after you ignore the flagpole. I assure you that jumping there is not necessary. You just need to ghost from the right location to stick to the other wall. It was actually such a simple process that I didn't feel the need to dwell on it in the video. Sorry for the confusion.
@@CMeeCraftGaming O I tried only in single player on that part that explains it, do you have the footage?
@@pannenkoeksus I believe I still have it.
@@CMeeCraftGaming ok can you give me it so I know what I should try in my no b/y/a press challenge? I can't get through that part, so I must use 2 player mode and I still can't make it
No you CANT beat the game WITHOUT JUMPING since its impossible and you never said it on the videos TITLE
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This is not a challenge where all use of the B button is banned, so dropping is fine.
why do you sound like your nose is blocked?
It’s a drop and not a jump so you’re good
To make watching the video more bearable, you should trim the silence in between each sentence to make it flow better. I really want to watch the video but the pauses are killing me
These NO JUMP videos are terrible for a challenge since you have to jump on curtain points of games in order to progress the story/gameplay to finish the NO JUMP challenge, so you really need to change ALL titles to LEAST AMOUNT of jumps to each game that require you to jump, since making acceptances ruing the purpose of the said challenge.
Like take the Kirby And the Forgotten Land NO JUMP challenge since you want to use a curtain ability to upgrade it to make a glitch, BUT that actually requires JUMPING to get that said upgrade, in order to get to that glitch.
Yeah it does not count because it is a drop not a jump
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