Frankford Arsenal Universal Precision Case Trimmer
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This is super sweet, I've been the Worlds Finest Trimmer for a few years now but its cartridge specific, this little versatile thing will make a fine trimmer.
I have added this trimmer to my shopping cart several times but haven't purchased it yet, now I will.
I'm really happy with the universal-series tools by FA. What I like the most about this tool is that it indexes off of the shoulder of a bottleneck rifle case. That gives me consistency where I want it. And I couldn't agree more that it works really well.I appreciate your unboxing and showcasing.
Great review. Clear and concise. I'm ordering one now.
Very interesting tutorial on the trimming tool. probably going to get one now. Amazed at the tidy workshop, i'm a toolmaker and work clean and tidy but, wow.
As with any trimmer that indexes on the shoulder, you have to have consistent sizing. Any variation in shoulder bump will also vary in OAL. Gavin mentioned this and it’s true.
I use the Little Crow WFT2 with great results, and this tool uses a similar process. What I do is keep one case of each caliber I use with the length I want, put in the trimmer to adjust the length and done. Obviously, if you use different sizing dies or have brass allocated to a specific rifle, then you have to use a case for each combination.
Your videos are always top notch and answer important questions with 0 rambling. Thanks for the review, I'm going to pick one of these up
Awesome, thank you!
I use the Giraud Tri Way Trimmer and a cordless drill for 5.56 and 7.62 Lake City brass. Which works really well. It trims, chamfers, and deburs in one step. Slick product.
Awesome just got mine today and about to give it a try now
I look forward to all your videos. Well done as usual.
I've been using my Frankford trimmer now for over two years and have had zero problems so far
Hello Gavin, great review. I subscribe and watch all of your videos. You are my "GO TO" for reloading information. I've ordered many reloading items based on your recommendation without issue. Well, I ordered one of these trimmers. It worked as advertised and perfectly trimmed around 20 cases until it seized. I suspect some of the brass trimming migrated down to the bearing. Perhaps you could show your viewers how to disassemble and remove the cutting shaft because I'm sure this will happen to many of your viewers who purchase this trimmer. Thanks, LC
Hi Gavin,
Good video of a great trim tool. I purchased one last year.
Picked up one of these, found a 6.5 CM case in need of a trim...followed the step by step instructions, wow, one of the cleanest cuts from any trimmer I've tried in the past. No visible burrs or "chatter" marks, still gave it a quick "de-burring" on my Lyman Case Prep Xpress.
Good deal, mine has worked flawlessly!
@@Ultimatereloader Originally had my eye on the L.E. Wilson, which are awesome, but then your review of the Franford Arsenal and thought, hmm, why spend close to $200 when the FA will do an impressive job for under $80
Mini-lathe works awesome with this. Ran about 1,000 rds of .223 through it in a couple hours.
Just ordered one. I like the possum/ultimate trimmers and have a few for some cartridges, but this looks like a better option/value as it costs about the same as one of the other choices and does more.
I bought one of these trimmers based on this video. Mine is pretty terrible. When adjusted only one index mark (and/or back), I get anywhere from .004” to .012” variance in trim length. Also, not one case, ever, is trimmed flat across the mouth. Always .002 to .004 “wobble” across the mouth, as I turn the case in the caliper. Luckily, I trimmed the few cases I did, longer than needed, just to check quality and consistency. There is a lot of shaft wobble , the case shakes in the collet, too. I’m not seeing the value here. I finished trimming on my RCBS trim pro trimmer. I’ll be sending this back. I may try a WFT/WFT2.
I literally came on this video to see if anyone else's does this cause mine is impossible to get a flat cut. I just started reloading, and I wasn't sure if this is supposed to be normal or if it's a bad thing, and I'm gunna assume it's not a good thing. I'll be sending mine back as well.
How can the case shake in the collet? Your supposed to tighten the outer collar until the collet slightly grips the case. Is everything assembled correctly? Are you using a drill? If the whole tool is wobbling, your drill chuck is junk. Many drills I've used in my life wobble. Wear n tear, poor quality, etc. Find a drill where the chuck spins true AND tightens up true.
The drill is fine. Same for the chuck. I believe that the bearings are poor quality. I ordered several better quality bearings.
When using a trimmer that stops against the shoulder, we should also measure the trim length from the shoulder and also set the bullet from shoulder to ogive. Bullet jump to the lands will always be constant no matter what the head space is.
Gavin, thanks again for a clear video.
Can you please show what a trimmed case looks like close up.
Does it use a flat type cutter or a "V" shape like a lot of the speed trimmers?
Perfect for me, thx Gavin
One tip that would benefit desired trimmings, would be using the butt end of the mircometer while adjusting. Adjust the cutting head to the neck, then check case stick out with mircometer. If that makes sense
I've been use the black widow trim it 2. Cuts, chamfers and deburrs all at once. I can do a 1000 .223 in about an hour and a half. I chuck it into an electric drill, mount that in a vice and go to town. Best money spent on a reloading tool. This looks nice but I doubt it will be a tool that will last as long as the trim it so I'll spend the little bit extra for a better tool.
Hey Gavin. Put that in a mini-lathe and build a tail stock fixture to hold the brass. That would make a nice "making with metal" project. You could sell it too.
McJ Tools makes a cutter with a pilot that when fitted in the Arsenal Trimmer makes the case a very solid fit and should extend the life of that plastic insert/collet.
Have to admit from an engineering standpoint picking up on a datum in the center of a shoulder is smart, it's how fluid fittings poppets are validated, super good way to go about it, now I'm just thinking about getting one of these, mutilating a brushless corded drill and printing a housing that holds the drill Chuck and motor to make it bench mounted. Plus to hold on those wrench flats so the body with the markings stays stationary.
When you do, I'll buy one from you.
Nice... might get on my Christmas list.. thanks Gavin... the lee trimmers can now be backup for my drill.. ;-)
Good deal Randall :)
Just bought one because of how Gavin was impressed...hope I am.
Thanks. Looks like a great add on!
But Come on...need more of the 300prc and 300rum comparisons🙏🏻😜
Coming!
This is great it help me alot
Nifty lil tool....wish they made it so that it chamfered and deburred cases too. There are several other similar cutters that will do all 3 functions but this one has some cool features like the micrometer style sleeve.
I will pass that feedback on to FA!
Works just like a micro stop counter sink for rivets and screws.
I’ll have to get 1 of these! 👍🏻
did i miss if it inside /outside chamfers as well?
I bought one and it works great, just used it to trim 500+ cases for my Service Rifles. My only complaint is that there isn't a bushing to catch the 308 and 30/06 family of cartridges in the center of the shoulder at the datum line. One bushing is a little to large contacting the shoulder at the top and one is a to small hitting at the very base, consistency might be a little better with a bushing hitting in the center of the shoulder. I would also mention the collet should drag a little on the brass. If it's even slightly loose the brass can wobble slightly and the trim dimension will vary. Otherwise IMHO it's a great tool.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't best consistency near the shoulder? Not half way between neck and shoulder. What if to have case dents from too much lube? Not the obvious kind but the dents small enough where you don't see or feel them. One or two thou kind.
Hey gavin was wondering if you have seen the trimmer Henderson precision has? Wish you would do a video on the motorized version they have
That is awesome that’s for sharing.
I. Would have like to seen you adjust the body collet after you sized your brass and not before.
Thanx
Thank you for the review, just what I've been looking for the last couple of weeks. I don't care if its a knock-off but the fact that it will do all my calibers sealed the deal and one is on the way. Anything is better then the ole' cheapo Lee drill/handheld job ive been using, not that it doesn't do a great job, my hands still haven't gotten all the feeling back in them yet. Oh and new sub here! I like the content and presentation.
No anything is not better than a Lee case trimmer. You get a squared uniform and correct length cut every time with a Lee without set up. I have a lot of case trimmers that need to be set up and get out of adjustment but worse do not square the cut. Lee is a bit of time using but is more reliable than anything on the market that needs adjustment. I am looking for a better way myself and this trimmer has possibilities and is a consideration. My statement was that not everything is better than a Lee trimmer. I have a RCBS and a Lyman that are not. They are old school trimmers but quite expensive even today. They trim cases to length but the cut on the neck is uneven not squared.
@@garrytalley8009 I totally agree with you, I've bought several different case trimmers, none if them work as good as the lee. The lee is spot on everytime.
If it hurts your hand get the wooden ball adapter.
Great vid. Will you be doing something on the new RCBS MATCHMASTER
POWDER DISPENSER?
Gavin is awesome presentation. Clear and concise without ambiguity. The “gotoguy” for definitive reviews.
Thanks Joe!
I like it. Might have to get me one.
Gavin, do you still use this and if so, how is it holding up?? I've been using the WFT2 for awhile and they are great BUT setting trim can be a serious pain! This seems like a much easier endeavor and also unlikely to change from trimming session to session which I have found to be a problem. 😔
Would this work for shorter bottle necked pistol cartridges, ie Tokarev, 30 Mauser, 22 tcm? Or would they be too short to reach to the cutter and still have some base to be able to hold onto?
That’s most accurate than my reading micrometer trimmer
So, u set the amount to trim off? Not to the trim length u want? So, if i have a bunch of different length 223 cases this still wont true them to the same length?
Gavin where can it be purchased it doesn't shop up on their website?
No way to know how long it will last, but while it does, I am sold on mine !
Does it also chamfer/debur the cases?
I just can’t seem to get a consistent concentric trim with this thing… particularly with 300WSM.
the plastic inserts are getting worn.
Not sure what’s out there that’s much better in the budget category.
Do I have to step up to a henderson or a guraud???
I’m having a hard time understanding hours to dial this in, but I’m not ready to give up yet.
Update: I gave up.
I need to replace the cutter head, What size is the shaft on the head?
I have a need to trim some 45 lc cases down to accept the Hornady FTX bullets. No shoulder to index off of. will this work?
Does it deburr and chamfer at the same time?
I was first told that trimming 45-70 was not necessary. However I have purchased some once fired brass and some of them are longer than the factory new COL recomended in my reloading manual. My question is will this trimmer handle the 45-70 cases.
Does it trim, chamfer, and deburr?
If it would have also deburred and chamfered, it would have taken over the market in a heartbeat.
rcbs makes just such a trimmer, chamfer, deburring tool. I have it and it works great
@@1122ss but can that 1 go into a drill? I personally hate those bench mounted trimmers.
@@AZIROC Lee makes a press mounted 3 in one cutter which is the cheapest option. Another 3 in one cutter that hasn't already been mentioned in the comments is the Trim it II. It's more $ than the FA tho
@@DusToDeath agreed. But that's why I'm saying if F.A. made the deburr/chamfer included, in addition to what they have now, they would take over the market. It really isnt much more needed. Just instead of 1 blade it would be 2.
@@1122ss I just don't get why RCBS (Or anyone else) haven't put that cutter in their prep stations.
Hello Gavin, excellent review. I am writing to you from the Argentine Republic, please excuse my English. Do you consider this tool appropriate for trimming the .357 SIG cases? Thank you
Will it trim a .243wssm case and other short rifle cases like 6mm BR ??
If it works that's really cool
I have the original FA trimmer, works great. I got tired of the separate chamfer and deburring. Just recently went to the Giraud TriWay for 308, 300BO & 223 so much faster and does all three functions at one time. Yes it is more expensive but when doing hundreds of cases the times savings is HUGE...!!!
I would get one but it seems like it takes a lot of material off on the chamfer/deburr. Almost like it leaves a knife blade. Is there any way to adjust that?
Most reloaders will already know this but you should mention that this trimmer is for bottleneck cases only.
It’s the same trimmer that is on the FA prep station which I have. One limitation I found is that I can’t use it to trim 300 BLK cases because after inserting the case there isn’t enough sticking out from the trimmer to hold onto.
Good point, thanks Terry!
Thanks, Gavin. What are you going to use to chamfer inside and outside?
Erik Schuit Would be good to see one of these trim tools come with a 3-way cutter.
Looks good something else thats excellent is the lee collet resizing die check it out
I recently purchased a Frankford Arsenal Universal case trimmer. I have watched your video several times but can't get the first part right of making sure that the case is up against the cutter. Do you do it just by sight? or by feel? or is there some trick to it? any advice would be helpful.
waiting on mine
You only need to trim to 0.010" less than max length. No need to go 0.020" shorter than max length. I actually have 1 gun that I run my case necks 0.005 longer than max length, but that is a special scenario.
Were your cases same length before trimming?
will this do pistol cases ie 9mm and .38/.357
When loading plinking ammo (.223) on progressive press do you prefer to resize first (off the progressive press) and trim, or do you trim to a lower length (predicting the expansion of the neck) and then trow at your progressive press to resize?
How does this unit compare to the little crow (WFT)?
This appears to just be the trimmer that is on their case prep station. Not that that is a bad thing, because that thing works great when you get it dialed in.
I agree
I’ve always thought that FA M press was a shottier version of the co-ax. After watching you struggle to size those tiny 224 cases I am convinced I’m right.
Looks like the same trimmer on their prep station. Great option and looks really repeatable.
That said though, trim to length on 224 Valkyrie is actually 1.590 with a max length of 1.600 according to all the sources I've seen, so you may be trimming them a bit short for use
Slightly updated from the one on my prep station, I'd say. Same design and principal though. I just wish they'd have pout a three-way cutter in it. Would have killed the market....
He and many people trim 20 thou or so below SAAMI spec as they know the brass will grow. That way you don't have to trim after every firing.
Gavin have you used RCBS Trim Pro Case Trimmer 3-Way Cutter ? Is it worth for instance to use in 5.56 competition reloads for 3gn and rifle, IPSC?
or the VLD 3 way cutter which uses standard pilots
Is there something similar foe straight neck cases,
Will this do 45a c p
Will it work with the 5.7x28mm?
So, what's wrong with the Lee Zip Trim at a fraction of the cost, not including the drill, every bit as consistent, and just as quick?
Can we trim 7.5x55swiss to7.5x53.5
swiss ?
My question is was all the brass the same length to start with or were they random length? Point is does the trimmer trim to a set length or a given set trim amount? Perhaps i missed that in the presentation.
trims to a set trim length based off of the shoulder
Will this work on stright wall cases like 444 marlin?
Will it work for 30/30 win, and is everything needed to trim included in set ? Thanks
YES I have the FA prep station and has all the same collets as this. I do 204 to 30-06 and yes 30-30.
Gavin,
you said you specified 1.600 case length. why did you trim to 1.580?
Where can I find this tool?
Nice 👌
The giraud tri way trimmer is still better in my opinion.. chamferes and deburrs at the same time.. it is case specific, but in my case, I'm only mass reloading a few different cases
If I may ask a shoulder bumping question....? I load on a RL 550b with Dillon dies. Question: will the Dillon full length sizing die (.223) bump my shoulder back .020 or do I need a bushing sizing die like what Redding offers??
watching an Erik Cortina video will answer all your questions
Do they make one for pistol calibers or just rifle?
LakeViewOutdoors it needs the shoulder to size on. So straight walls are a no go.
Be good if you compared and contrasted the Lil Crow with Frankford.
Can this do straight wall cases accurately for overall length?
Obviously not. It is using the case shoulder to limit the length...
Is it better than Little Crow Gunworks
Dose it chafer the case a s well
no
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Do you have t-shirts for sale somewhere
On his website
Sorry, I was contemplating one of these, I couldn’t see how the gadget stopped you trimming to much off.
very nice can you do a lot
That would be even better if it could be screwed on to a case prep center.
"lets see where this takes us" the top of your head, apparently
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@@Ultimatereloader He's making reference to your head blocking the shot right after you said "let's see where this takes us"
Haha- got it now. We will be adjusting that camera angle for future videos, I did notice that! Thanks.