I like seeing regular people getting involved with space travel and working in space becoming an option for wage earners. Ed not wanting to go back home because it would likely be the end of his time as an astronaut also feels like a nice setup. This felt like a solid start all the way around. Let me know what you think.
I don’t, astronauts and the military, thats who space is meant for. My favorite theoretical age would be height of the Cold War, astronauts on the moon
I don’t like so much detail about their family life. Too much to follow … don’t make this story go off in too many directions. I like the Margo storyline.
Ed smoking it might be a cigarett not weed, we know 10 years before it was banned in nasa, so the smoking might just be banned, so he might have smuggled tobaccos and used regular paper for it.. 2. also it looks like striking will be a major plot point. 2.5 in the newsreel there was an atleast 2 week strike by moon workers. 2.75 in 1 of the trailers there was a scene with the new character says we getting paid pennies on the dollar so a strike on/in mars. also nk is a stand in for china in s3.
God I cried like a baby during the intro news sequence. The world just seems so optimistic. Also maybe I haven’t realised earlier just how much of a space nerd I am. Love this show.
If you love this show it means you’re not a space nerd as it is full of physics related mistakes and is falsely optimistic to manipulate the audience into believing progressive crap brings happiness and success while in reality it brings doom and destruction to society.
@@mryan89 hahaha - i had more women than you will ever have… am a 6’4” tal, dark, handsome and successful man. Simply know fefails better than you, loser!
If, in the alternate timeline, it takes just 31 days to get to Mars, one would expect that they also send a manned exploratory mission to Jupiter. That would be, in ideal conditions, done in around 45 days. Saturn takes roughly 90 days, all less than it took to fly to Mars in season 3. In any case a great start of a new season!
I was so happy to see Commander Kuznetsov return, it was great to finally have a main character Cosmonaut to root for, but damn :/ I’m really interested to continue seeing stories from the Soviet side of this world. I think the greatest part of season one besides just cool space stuff was seeing Ed’s cosmonaut prisoner-turned-ally and seeing that there’s just real people behind all of these conflicts. Getting to see our heroes befriend Kuznetsov took that to another level and I think those real human connections and relationships are ultimately what makes the heart of this show. I’m still depressed rn but I can’t wait to see what they do next.
Man it's gonna be so sad when Joel leaves the show. We've followed Ed for basically his whole adult life. That said, I feel like he either won't make it back to Earth or he'll die towards the end of this season after getting back to Earth. Either way, I'm happy the show is back on but I have a bad feeling about this🥺
My headcannon with Danny is kinda sad but makes sense. I think he took his own life. He was exiled, Ridden with grief and guilt and left alone to stew in all this with almost no human contact. What was also left out there near the North Korean ship was a handgun. Maybe Danielle blames herself bc she thinks that if she didn’t exile him, he would’ve have had the support he needed.
@@dailyqwikbytes It's exceedingly easy to kill yourself on Earth too. You seem to have totally missed the point about the gun here though. If he took his life he would want something quick and painless ergo the gun.
I like Miles. I was worried I wasn't going to but he seems like a solid addition. I DO hope we get some flashbacks of Kuz and Poole on Mars to see how they became friends and how they helped each other. The guy that plays Kuz is a really good and natural actor. Would love to see how he warms up to Dannielle over time.
I don't like him very much so far because he's a stereotype we've seen before: the working class guy looking to recover the love of his family. I hope we see more complexity with him. But, I suppose, Toby Kebbells wouldn't have agreed to play this character if he didn't have a lot of layers to him.
I normally don’t like programs when they get far away from the original season, the first season is what you fall in love with, and while I miss the show in the 60s and the characters from then, this show is doing a great job in making me enjoy the new seasons as they come out, will be sad to see Ed move on, as I do worry about the risk of a new lead being someone I dislike, but enjoying where the show is heading, I know it’s only been episode one, but has it been approved for a season 5? Would love to be able to enjoy the season knowing it isn’t the end. Ps I wasn’t expecting Pete to upload this today! I was expecting Sunday maybe by the time he got round to a script and getting the clips, great work. Love his breakdown of this show, only watched the show for the first time 2 months ago, then watched his breakdown videos, it’s incredible how he predicts things so well in previous seasons, so looking for ward to this run of videos, this is my first time watching along as the show airs, looking forward to the ride
From what I hear about this season, that might be intentional. The workers on Mars aren't getting their fair share or recognition, which is signified by one of their deaths being "one other astronaut"
The names got messy, but he was not the commander. Just a worker as the other comment pointed out. I thought he was for a split second when they mentioned the commander's name too@@soupafi
I felt like Aleida's struggle presented to us this season is a conjunction of things: PTSD from the bombing, which to me is like the 9/11 event in an alternate timeline, hence the beefed up security, and second, her Dad's issues he suffered when he was on in the earlier seasons. Probably foreshadowing of things to come.
They didn’t mention 9/11, so it either didn’t happen or it’s just not that important to the show. Though, it’s interesting that they didn’t mention 9/11 yet they mentioned a death of a famous director. I also like how JFK Jr is still alive in this timeline. Bet if they did a 5th season, he’d become president. They seem to like the idea of a Kennedy in office
I am almost certain those scenes of her walking around in a 'Russian' town were actually filmed in Sofia, Bulgaria. I lived there and some of the buildings looked very familiar.
@@williamerazo3921 Maybe Estonia - I don't think Finland looks like that anywhere. All those formerly communist countries have a similar look and feel.
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I dont know what initially spawned my dream of space mining, but it's one I've always been fascinated by it. This episode left me in awe, it was equal parts inspiring and terrifying
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With Russia I think the attempt cue against corbershov that happened in our time line is going to happen here but a little later and one side is looking to recruit her
I don't see Ed being excluded from space travel in season 5, if he doesn't die or something. I can see him being a celebrity guest on a space yacht around the Moon ala Clarke's 2061.
Ed could be in season 5, hell he could still be season 7, just means he'll be very, very old but in the show as a character and in the show as an astronaut are two very different things. It's been suggested season 7 would be within the realms of 2030's which would put him over 100, so it's unlikely but things could change. At the start of season 4 he is 72 which is getting pretty out there in terms of plausibility. Can people of 70+ go into space and do stuff, yes, of course, sure but plausibly is it going to be likely? No. No it's not. Commanding in his 60's last season was a bit on the edge too. It's not so much about whether it can be done in theory it's about whether it's plausible. Experience is only a single facet out of hundreds for why they would pick someone to go up out of a large selection pool. He's either going to die or retire in this season as the seasons tend to encompass a decade each at the very least and as said he's 72 right now.
@@phillipleavenworth I hope they do. I'm about 50/50 unsure whether they'll kill him off or have him as secondary supporting character, effectively an old man relegated to advisory. By extension his screen time would diminish quite a bit. It would be nice if Ed, Ellen and Danielle could kick around until the shows end though, original pioneers from the earliest days. Margo I'm unsure about, she'd also be original too but I think her story is being set up as a big espionage side of the show which is also a way of letting us see more of the Russian side.
@@CoffeeFiend1 I can definitely see that. Keeping my fingers crossed. I was thinking they'd do something in later seasons involving a mission to a nearby star. But I think a mission to Saturn is next after the asteroids.
Grigory was never gonna be able to do anything to fix those anchors while that asteroid was under load. They should've just stopped, detached and then started again. The asteroid was obviously not solid enough for those anchors. Sack the geologist.
so far the space accidents have been somewhat believable (suspension of disbelief is a big part of sci-fi) but the whole asteroid sequence, from the contraption they made to the astronauts going out because reasons was a head scratcher. On the show's direction, i get where they're going and why but I'm not entirely convinced how well received this shift will be. And on Danny Stevens destiny, his actor is not credited in any of the episodes so yeah, he died in Mars
@@gerardanderson9665Yeah, things were made a bit too vague with that. I believe we are being lead to believe he's dead, but there is something else going on. Or (if he's actually dead), it will get revealed in a flashback.
This season really feels so far like the equivalent of NASA’s “Faster, Better, Cheaper,” era irl, which notably featured multiple major mission failures due to it not being possibly to do all 3 successfully.
Nope - it looks nice and could be one of the best shows if it wasn’t filled with communistic propaganda about minority hires, women replacing men against all odds and capabilities as well as portraying actual conquerors (men) like weak and troubled kids and losers (astronauts!!! Drinks and emotionally unstable! Sic!)
@@kalen1702 Not really. Even with the new drive (which, if I understood correctly, is not yet deployed) it would take more than 30 days. So a seat will simply not cut it. That manual labor still needs to sleep, move around, wash up etc. I guess there are some communal spaces for all of that but still - a big difference between an astronaut and an ordinary worker is that astronauts are trained to live for an extended periods of time in a tin can, ordinary people are not. Imagine having a plane flight for 30+ days non-stop. Also, the layout of the "cruiser" does not make much sense here - it has decks that are co-linear with the thrust vector, it should be perpendicular. Also, astronauts are basically technicians (their words, not mine) so there is no real difference between them and the "manual labor" in terms of skill/value. They are not sending manual labor in a sense that they are sweatshop kinda labor, but highly skilled and specialized workforce. They are VERY valuable. One could argue even more than astronauts at this point - with the whole mining and industry going on. Daniel gets the suite not because she is an astronaut, but because she is a celebrity and a VIP. Any other astronaut would have probably be in the seat next to the driller guy. Which also rises a new question - astronaut/cosmonaut is a name we add to anyone who goes into space (the one sailing the stars, or cosmos). So that driller guy is also technically an astronaut.
Everyone keeps sayin that an I get it but I just had a sick idea. Instead of expanse prequel... it's Dune. The events in this timeline has already laid the groundwork to make all these space industry corporations the sole gatekeepers to mankind's advancement. Given enough time, their wealth an power would swell to the size dynasties we seen in Dune. Especially when fueled by a history where humanity values superiority in space an resources over freedom an human life. Especially after finding that asteroid to mine. And that's not even factoring in all the surface deep nationalism driving all these powers. In this timeline we also focused on space/travel/fusion power tech an exotic space metals instead of creating computers first. I'm sure you could find a way to this leading to the thinking machine jihad from Dune. Anyways, jus a fun idea to think about
hey delighted the show is back aswel as your videos. please remember to do videos on the mini web episodes. the news of the alt world is my fav part of the show. please dont tae to long. xxx
You love commie propaganda aimed at destroying humanity? You realise it’s all an infeasible pipe dream meant to reprogram society into believing women can be forced to be engineers and basically to replace men without having any abilities to do so?
To be fair, this USSR and ours are not the same, they have different practices - so it would make sense that in the 1990's and onward, USSR would create a centralized space agency. In our timeline, Russia did it in the same time period. So USSR creating in the 1990's as well makes sense. Would it be called Roskosmos? Probably not. It would have been something less "national" in the name. But the show writers went for something people would recognize. As for the English text, it was normal. It is not "local newspaper", it is International Tribune. And USSR, along with other countries, had those kinds of newspaper throughout the Cold War. You could not get them at every stand, but you could read western newspapers. That being said, there were also specialized newspapers, International Herald Tribune being one of them, for audiences abroad. It is not really strange, it is in fact a nice touch and a wink at historical accuracy.
No, the papers she bought were specifically the international (ENglish) ones. It's like how you can read the French paper at your local library if you wanted to in 2003. Normal stuff.
I'm baffled that they didn't name it SovKosmos or just create a ministry of Space. That's literally how Soviets named 90% of the government organizations.
Hey Pete and thanks as always for your great content! Gonna watch S4E01 now, but I needed to ask you an unrelated question: why did you abruptly stop covering Succession?
I was covering a few shows at that time and the schedule wasn't working. Succession was performing much worse in every metric so it was the one I dropped.
As much as I despise Ed still being around, I also like that the show at least acknowledges that he himself knows his time is almost up. That if he goes home, this is it. Hopefully with the jump S5 will likely make he just retires already or is forced to. I can't imagine Ed in the 2010s still be around, he'd be in his late 80s early 90s. Otherwise this season has me excited, seems like it's back on course from the more lighthearted S3 setting.
i think ed wants to die on mars or be buried on mars like the s1 guy and maybe even be buried next to the soviet guy, there will be a time jump in season too 3-5/6 years.
He doesn't seem like the type of guy who would be happy do retire. He will probably have a glorious kinda of death at the end of the season. There isn't much to do with him since he's old, Karen is dead and Kelly is now a mother. There's no way he will simply retire and have a normal life until he dies of old age.
@@ipodman1910 Wayne was so loved/relatiba guy, sould have done a major side plot line in s2 with him gliding the finance's/spouses/husbands/wives of the ascans he meets the ascans at the bar in s2 ep1 talks to them say hi im wanye for those with spouses meet up with me here x location i can talk to them.
When we humans eventually do move out into space someday to the moon, mars, and beyond new cultures and new languages will emerge it's a given it will happen it's only a matter of time. Unfortunately i will not live long enough to see humanity move deeper into space much less live long enough to see new cultuers and new languages emerge on other worlds.
Seriously, who thought that not having a navigation unit when doing the eva from ranger 1 was a good idea. I was shocked when I saw that. I'm not a mechanical or construction engineer, but I thought that a single push point on a asteroid wasn't going to work either. I guess it would be a cost issue, which I can understand, but I would have expected some type of "tripod" extension from ranger 1. I'm guessing the wobble was due to an uneven weight distribution within the internals of the asteroid. If someone has better engineering info, I'd love to hear it.
There is no better engineering info. The show, from season 2 already, started making questionable design choices so that accidents could happen and create the narrative. In reality, no, a concept like this would never work or be seriously proposed. If we skip for the moment the energy requirements for moving such a rock and talk just about the rig - you wouldn't attach anything anywhere. You'd actually bury the main craft in it. For multiple reasons - and structural integrity being one of them. Those engines are extremely powerful (they need to be) and any maneuver that is not strictly linear would lead to a disaster that would take about a fraction of a second - no joint would be able to sustain the stresses involved. The whole rig, as depicted, would be pointless and useless. Also, the whole cable system is meaningless when you are pushing the asteroid. It does not help in any shape or form. As a matter of fact, it harms the whole structure. Any stress on the main mast and the increase in tension would immediately be distributed to the anchors along the line, causing fractures in the asteroid which is NOT a solid one-piece rock. In a realistic scenario (let us say you have the engines that are able to do the pushing), you'd excavate the area on the asteroid enough to slot in the nose of the ship/engine rig, using its entire surface area/cross section as a push plate, distributing the load as much as possible and gaining more precise maneuver capabilities. Any and all turning would then be done via different power distribution to the engine array and/or gimbal. But, as I said, the show has been utilizing stupid designs in everything since the start of season 2 in order to create those drama moments and scenarios. So this is nothing new really.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Thanks. I was thinking along some of these lines. A few years ago, I read up on asteroid mining because I knew someone that was working at a company and I saw him on a national tv show talking about it. I thought the idea was to mine in place and then transport the recovered minerals back so that they could use the least amount of engine propellent possible. Of course, it was all theoretical then, just like it is now. I do enjoy all of these "what if" shows. I'm glad the show is back. I'm waiting on the next 9 episodes.
@@WallaceBMcClure In theory, yes, you'd mine and ideally even refine the ore at the site, and return only the finished goods back to Earth/Mars/Moon. As you stated, due to the propellant issues and the inherent dangers of moving an asteroid. They are usually in steady orbits, you know how will they react. So you'd go there and do what you need to do. To move a fairly loose mountain of rocks over huge distances into an orbit of an inhabited celestial body - no one in their sane mind would dare to do such a thing. You have absolutely no idea how will it behave even if you manage to move it intact from point A to point B. Just like, an equivalent of the Earth mining, we do not pick up a mountain, bring it next to a city and then start mining it. No, we create mines where the ore is, preferably far away from any major city due to health and safety concerns among other things, and we do all the dirty and dangerous work on site and ship the final product from there. For asteroid mining, same logic would be applied. The only reason you have for actually trying to move an asteroid is if it was on a collision course with some human colony/inhabited celestial body. A that point, you'd risk it, because the worst option is already a collision, so anything that you do can hardly cause more harm.
See that was not even my issue with the scene. Mine is how in the hell are they supposed to flip that thing around to do the capture burn at mars even if the mission went smooth they would over shoot not to mention it didn’t even look designed to handle being retrograde to the rock as the cables would slack and the rock crushes the ship.
@@lilkris3008 I didn’t even articulate that. :-). I’m with you. Yeah, they’d have to rotate and apply some force to drop into orbit. And who thinks that moving a mountain sized asteroid is a safe idea to begin with. And we never got to another issue is that I doubt that asteroids are really hard rocks. I’ve always read they some are piles of rock that clumped together via some static electrical attraction and weak gravity. The key being it’s not one big solid rock. Of course, if all of these problems were solved, we wouldn’t have a tv show to watch. :-)
Defense contractors don't have feelings about who gets the credit, except that it's the government person they support because they are the wind beneath their customer's wing.
With the time jump, there’s a brief newspaper story about how on October 8th, 1999, JFK Jr (3 months after his real life death) was running for senate. This, coupled with no Hillary Clinton, would indicate he’d be an incredibly important politician, and I would bet a SIGNIFICANT amount of money he’s the president in season 5.
This show is real good, it's been scratching my "The Expanse" itch, and it's the only reason I have Apple TV. So far, everything has been remarkably accurate, but the one thing I just can't get over is in this episode. When the asteroid rig is coming apart under thrust, why didn't they just cut thrust and coast? Like they're firing the engines and shit starts breaking and they just keep running the engines like it's not going to get worse. An object at motion stays in motion and all that, the ship and the asteroid are going the same velocity, just stop applying stress and work it out. It's really driving me nuts but I know I gotta let it go 😅
I was surprised/disappointed they didn’t put dates on screen - when did the accident take place? When / how much later was Danielle on the way to Mars?
Pete, can this show hold a place in your head as a spiritual prequel to The Expanse? It has Naren Shankar in the higher up roles, so one can certainly feel the similarities.
Naren was only involved in the first season. I love The Expanse and can't deny that it's fun to imagine these stories taking place in the same timeline. I think the For All Mankind Universe is imagined as a more hopeful one though. It feels like there is a connection because both shows follow a realistic path to explore the Solar System, but The Expanse is closer to the trajectory we're on in our timeline while FAM is more likely imagined as a spiritual successor for a universe closer to Star Trek's. Which makes sense since Ronald Moore and Naren both came up writing for Star Trek: The Next Generation.
I like that bit of comparison there. The whole idea of the prolonged space race that continued into our near contemporary times having a positive impact on humanity and our planet as a whole is extremely intriguing. The continued push for fusion technology and away from fossil fuels has a wonderful “What If…” vibe that is one of the reasons I enjoy this show.
My theory, remember when they buried the pistol that the DPRK (first man on Mars from S3) they marked it with what looked like a normal lugwrench and was sticking up above the surface - I bet Dani saw that, bored and dug it up and did exactly what the DPRK character was about to do in S3
In the Mars Launch Window animation 2:13 Mars zooms around it's orbit at twice the speed of the Earth. It's ridiculous considering what it's supposed to be demonstrating.
I want to see what happened on 9/11 Like did a similar terrorist attack like was it the JSC bombing because of no funding of the taliban in the Afganastan civil war or did it still happen
Does anyone know Latin well enough to translate the JSC Bombing Memorial's inscription of "Non Est Ad Astra Mollise Terris Via"? The only thing I can come up with that makes sense using web translators is "There is no way to the stars and a weak Earth".
I clearly sensed something bad happened to Danny too. We will probably find out in the next episode or two, but I suspect that the extreme isolation caused him to go crazy. I'm unsure how that played out since, while Will and Danielle's conversation clearly stated she had something to do with it, it's unclear whether that's in reference to the decision to banish Danny or if she was involved in something after that. Since Lee Jung-Gil's pistol was buried near the North Korean capsule, I'm guessing it was dug up and either Danny shot himself just like Lee almost did or Danielle was forced to shoot him after he became violent during a resupply.
Since the university on the form of the other person that Miles was looking at was different from the one the interviewer questions him about, I was wondering if he got instantly caught in the lie but it was kept a secret from him. Just me?
Someone "knows" he lied but still allowed his training, and Flight to Mars to happen? Suppose they could play that angle... But they've already jumped ahead so unless he has been Blackmailed or will be... They'll maybe just give us a simple "Working Man" that has the practical knowledge when/where others will spout off their "book learning" and reasons why things might not work. Kind of expect he and Ed will hit it off... Having to make decisions on the Fly might not always work out but being willing to make them and continue on Rain or Shine seems like something both would do
It will be interesting to see what happens to the price of these rare elements if they can successfully mine asteroids. I’m sure that tn financial analysis is based on either. High constant value or an increasing one. With mining, it would probably increase the available supply of these elements by a large enough amount as to negatively effect the price, driving the price down. That would set of political turmoil in the ussr, just like the turmoil shown in Saudi’s Arabia in the newsreels. I bet that is how the put in the coup in Moscow.
Well, just saying...I don't like the bald cap they've plastered on Joel Kinnaman's head to supposedly create a receding hairline. It just makes him look like a character from Fox Mulder's dreams in X-Files. PS: So far, I really like the Miles character. Refreshing! 👍
Alternate timelines, especially when cleverly conceived and executed, present windows to what might have been. The only two quibbles I have regarding this particular alternate timeline is the inclusion of North Korea in any capacity as a real player in the space race and the absurd minimization of the global collapse of fossil fuel industries. On the upside: a lesbian (Republican from Texas!) re-elected president; Ion-drive which is a monumental breakthrough in and of itself; John Lennon lives.
On the North Korea topic - if you look at it, it is actually a very ghastly storyline. They used old soviet style capsule for the trip to Mars and did not plan, in any capacity, for their people to come back. It was supposed to be just a propaganda victory with dead astronauts. And, frankly, if a country can send a lander to Mars, they can send a human as well. Both USA and USSR could have technically done it in the 1970's... it's just that it would be one way trip and unpleasant does not even begin to describe it. In the eyes of a regime like North Korea, it would make complete sense to refurbish an ICBM to send a relatively low payload to Mars, just so they could say that they landed humans first. If you look at the soft landings on Mars, they successfully landed 4+ tons craft on Mars in the 1970's. A human, packed with enough food for one round trip, is less than 500kg of payload... leaving you with a 3.5t landing vehicle. If they basically wanted to send a tin-can with people and enough food and water to just get them to Mars alive, yes, they could have probably done it, and they are one of the rare governments in the world that would even attempt something like that. Story wise? Does not make any sense so far, there are no effects of it yet. Will there be? I have no idea. It is actually less likely that N. Korea would be able to pull it off without anyone knowing, than the whole mission itself. During the Cold War, every single launch was monitored in detail. While it would be possible, even for N. Korea, to pull of a suicide mission like that in hopes that humans at least land alive, there is no snowball's chance in hell that other players would not notice it.
You two has a very biased thinking about North Korea... first, North Korea was an industrial power back in the 70's and was very prosperous to the point it was used as an example of a successful communist country by the soviets. Without the collapse of the communist block in the 90's North korea was able to keep developing their economy and industry. About the mission, it was not planed to be 100% suicidal to begin with, the probe was the closest to happy valley for a reason. The plan was to land first on mars in the same place they knew the soviets would land, that way the other missions would be forced to bring the north koreans back for them...
@@Lordkantou They were indeed used as a propaganda example of success... but they were not. Like border nations of the western block, foreign capital was pumped into it to make it a shield against the other side. In the same way West Germany was brought from the ashes, while other countries "behind" it were not to the same extent. USA and USSR promoted and maintained their "border" countries in order to prepare and keep them as the waterbreak in case of any future war. Communist block collapsing has nothing to do with it - China started its meteoric rise in the same period, while also being in the same economic block in general. N. Korea failed not because the block failed, but because their "economic miracle" was simply - fake. Artificial. Made and kept by foreign investment. In the show, the probe was not sent close to anything - they had to drive for quite some time in a rover to get to the N. Korean site. Also, N. Korean was there for quite a long time and had no way of getting to the Happy Valley site - even if, by some miracle, he knew where the damn thing even is. The whole plan was made under the assumption that they 100% knew where everyone else is planning to land, plans not changing, sending the crew that will survive the trip, actually manage to land close to the same site in the tin-can they arrived, and somehow manage to get to the other colony and get a ride back. Yeah... it was 100% suicidal mission, even with all the odds working in their favor - because the things that made the N. Korean survive were in fact NOT planned at all, and as such, North Korea could not count them in either in their mission plan. I can see a mission like that being attempted, but even in a alternative universe like this one, it was always planned to be one way trip. And when you say biased, you need to say towards what or whom. Realism? Common sense? Sure. Even though I consider myself a radical socialist, you'd never hear from me talking about such propaganda nonsense as N. Korea being anything else, or could become anything else, than it was/is. So I am probably the least biased person about N. Korea (except some N. Korean patriot I guess) that you are likely to find yet still I call bullshit.
Not sure I buy Micheal Jordan becoming a great baseball player and one still good at a old age in 2003. He must of really hated playing for the Portland Trailblazers.
I was watching with my friend and when I saw the new guy show up in his jumpsuit and he had the name Miles on it, I knew he was screwed. Ronald D Moore made Mile O'Brien suffer for years on Deep Space Nine. He has made Ed suffer for decades on this show and now that Ed is an old man and about to face the sweet release that is death, Ronald created a new Miles to sufferings onto. This poor basta is about to experience psychological pain the like he can't even fathom.
I think I liked this premiere more than season 3’s.Though it likely has the 2nd weakest newsreel out of the four so far. Season 2 still has the best one.
How do they brush over the ages of these characters? I mean they were in their 20-30's in the 1960's in season 1, now its 2003 so they should all be around 60-70 years old and still flying ships and going to mars etc.
ed said in season 3 that he would be “pushing 70” by the second mars mission in 1998, prior to the launches being moved up, so he’s definitely somewhere in his early to mid 70s now
Actually, by the time of the Moon landing, Baldwin is 40 years old. His in-show birthyear is 1929 +-1 year. So, in 2003 he is 74. While there are no astronauts in our timeline being active at that age, the closest we currently have is 68 years old, it has been stated in the previous season that Baldwin is taking steroids and other medicine in order to be viable for space missions for longer. Also, in this timeline, medicine is more advanced so it helps even more. They do not brush over their age, but they did prolong the active years for some of them to the reasonable limit within the universe they created. As I said, current oldest active astronaut is 68, so Baldwin's 74 is not that far off, and that 6 years difference between our world and the show is covered by explaining that advanced medicine is involved, prolonging the time one would be able to do certain things.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Also doesn't hurt that he's been living a LONG time in a low-grav environment, so less stress on his joints and heart. Coming back to Earth must be a bitch for him!
I think basically everything before the late 60s is supposed to be the same in this timeline. So this world still has a lot of similarities to ours as well. There’s a great twist involving North Korea in the last season that seems very in character for them
Her Russian was pretty good to be fair. She's gifted in physics, mathematics, engineering (and I guess piano?), she's intelligent but it doesn't necessarily entail she'll be super gifted with languages. I've known people with multiple PhDs that suck with languages. She also seems to be very isolated, so she's not going to get much practice beyond interacting with people in shops.
Maybe they never happened, since the Mideast plays a lesser role due to tech from the space race. Unless the attacks happen this season since they will be further marginalized. The bombing of Space Center Houston last season was basically the Federal Building bombing that happened under Clinton.
I can understand why China didn't join the M7 but I would like them to explain Canada because we would have joined just to make sure that we don't get affected by the US.
I don’t view it as this universe being irresponsible, more so not “slowing down” like the modern real world did. They simply have the same zeal as 15th century explorers, and accept such levels of risk, which looks irresponsible from our perspective. They didn’t slow down.
@@4DRC_ We didn't slow down because of the risks, but because there was no need/point. In their world, they landed a lunar station to one-up the Soviets. OK, made sense. Everything past it, there was no real justification in-world for it. Jamestown growing to a size of a village... why, exactly? What was the drive, the benefit? We could say the rule of cool, we could say the expansion of humanity... but that is not really what drives and funds those things. Those 15th century explorers were not doing exploring for the adventure and betterment of humanity, they were exploring for new trade routes and new lands to conquer. There was a massive economic drive behind it all. In For all Mankind, there is no such thing past Season 1. Things just... happen. They grow without any apparent explanation and reasoning. That's the reason why we "slowed down" in our timeline. There was no real reason for it. Several Saturn V rockets were already built, missions planned, when the thing was shut down. Not because we didn't have the zeal or couldn't accept the risk... but because there wasn't any point to it beyond a certain stage at a certain time. That is probably one of my biggest problems with the world building of the show (scientific and engineering stupidities being the biggest one), they gave 0 explanation as to how their world got to the point where it is now, what drove them to make those steps that we didn't take at that time. Season 2 - a whole village on the Moon. Why? Well, it is a natural growth of the single-module station from Season 1. No, it is not. There was no explanation what so ever. What were all those people doing there, why, what justified the funding of such a base? Season 3 - we are going to Mars. OK, why? It is a natural step after the Moon, true, but any reason other than "well, because!"? Season 4 - there is a whole city on Mars and industry on the Moon. OK, cool. But why the hell would you do that?! Again, rule of cool, I like seeing it, I like thinking about it, but there is little to no actual reason for those things to happen (which is why they didn't happen in our timeline) and the show offers no explanation either, nor does it bother with it at all.
I like seeing regular people getting involved with space travel and working in space becoming an option for wage earners. Ed not wanting to go back home because it would likely be the end of his time as an astronaut also feels like a nice setup. This felt like a solid start all the way around. Let me know what you think.
I don’t, astronauts and the military, thats who space is meant for. My favorite theoretical age would be height of the Cold War, astronauts on the moon
I don’t like so much detail about their family life. Too much to follow … don’t make this story go off in too many directions. I like the Margo storyline.
Ed smoking it might be a cigarett not weed, we know 10 years before it was banned in nasa, so the smoking might just be banned, so he might have smuggled tobaccos and used regular paper for it..
2. also it looks like striking will be a major plot point. 2.5 in the newsreel there was an atleast 2 week strike by moon workers. 2.75 in 1 of the trailers there was a scene with the new character says we getting paid pennies on the dollar so a strike on/in mars.
also nk is a stand in for china in s3.
I also like this episode - spectacular visuals! Miles is cool, Toby K is a fantastic actor. Thanks Pete!
I haven’t watched it yet, but I’m wondering if there’s going to be a 9/11 moment in the season
God I cried like a baby during the intro news sequence. The world just seems so optimistic. Also maybe I haven’t realised earlier just how much of a space nerd I am. Love this show.
same!
If you love this show it means you’re not a space nerd as it is full of physics related mistakes and is falsely optimistic to manipulate the audience into believing progressive crap brings happiness and success while in reality it brings doom and destruction to society.
I agree with the physics being at best wonky but tell me more about how being progressive brings doom to society
@@ipodman1910settle down incel 😂
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If, in the alternate timeline, it takes just 31 days to get to Mars, one would expect that they also send a manned exploratory mission to Jupiter. That would be, in ideal conditions, done in around 45 days. Saturn takes roughly 90 days, all less than it took to fly to Mars in season 3. In any case a great start of a new season!
There's probably gonna be traditional cliffhanger outro in Jovian system in the last episode
@@nicoledreamcr4666 Europa is the obvious choice.
@@nicoledreamcr4666that’s my hope too. It’ll be a great season
I suspect Ganymede would be set up as a colony
@@alexwalker9803with space mirrors!
I was so happy to see Commander Kuznetsov return, it was great to finally have a main character Cosmonaut to root for, but damn :/
I’m really interested to continue seeing stories from the Soviet side of this world. I think the greatest part of season one besides just cool space stuff was seeing Ed’s cosmonaut prisoner-turned-ally and seeing that there’s just real people behind all of these conflicts. Getting to see our heroes befriend Kuznetsov took that to another level and I think those real human connections and relationships are ultimately what makes the heart of this show. I’m still depressed rn but I can’t wait to see what they do next.
Right? When I saw what happened to Kuznetsov, I said "Aw, s***, not him."
I was pissed they killed off Grigory. That actor played Arkady in The Americans and I loved him in that show. Was sad to see him go
Man it's gonna be so sad when Joel leaves the show. We've followed Ed for basically his whole adult life. That said, I feel like he either won't make it back to Earth or he'll die towards the end of this season after getting back to Earth. Either way, I'm happy the show is back on but I have a bad feeling about this🥺
I think they have to close his arc i mean his wife is dead and idrr if danny died or not and his other kids a terrorist its fitting if he dies
Yeah. They should end the show if he is gone. Unless they find a good replacement which i still don't see in Ep 1 of season 4.
I have been thinking the same thing. 😢
@@BlackEagle352many people could replace him in the show they said they want to do season 5
My headcannon with Danny is kinda sad but makes sense. I think he took his own life. He was exiled, Ridden with grief and guilt and left alone to stew in all this with almost no human contact. What was also left out there near the North Korean ship was a handgun. Maybe Danielle blames herself bc she thinks that if she didn’t exile him, he would’ve have had the support he needed.
Of maybe he just found that poor Korean guy's gun which Kuznetsov burried near the spacecraft
It's exceedingly easy to kill yourself in space or on Mars. It's hard enough staying alive.
@@dailyqwikbytes It's exceedingly easy to kill yourself on Earth too. You seem to have totally missed the point about the gun here though. If he took his life he would want something quick and painless ergo the gun.
@@dailyqwikbytesexcruciating death vs a death a lot of people even here on earth choose because it’s believed to be quick at the very least
I like Miles. I was worried I wasn't going to but he seems like a solid addition. I DO hope we get some flashbacks of Kuz and Poole on Mars to see how they became friends and how they helped each other. The guy that plays Kuz is a really good and natural actor. Would love to see how he warms up to Dannielle over time.
I don't like him very much so far because he's a stereotype we've seen before: the working class guy looking to recover the love of his family. I hope we see more complexity with him. But, I suppose, Toby Kebbells wouldn't have agreed to play this character if he didn't have a lot of layers to him.
I hope the North Korean guy comes back in some capacity
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I think that might be what's going on.
I normally don’t like programs when they get far away from the original season, the first season is what you fall in love with, and while I miss the show in the 60s and the characters from then, this show is doing a great job in making me enjoy the new seasons as they come out, will be sad to see Ed move on, as I do worry about the risk of a new lead being someone I dislike, but enjoying where the show is heading, I know it’s only been episode one, but has it been approved for a season 5? Would love to be able to enjoy the season knowing it isn’t the end.
Ps I wasn’t expecting Pete to upload this today! I was expecting Sunday maybe by the time he got round to a script and getting the clips, great work. Love his breakdown of this show, only watched the show for the first time 2 months ago, then watched his breakdown videos, it’s incredible how he predicts things so well in previous seasons, so looking for ward to this run of videos, this is my first time watching along as the show airs, looking forward to the ride
Second rewatch of this show and subsequent channel episodes. I enjoyed this content. ♥️
Grigory's death was so sad, but I laughed when they basically referred to Parker as "another astronaut"
From what I hear about this season, that might be intentional. The workers on Mars aren't getting their fair share or recognition, which is signified by one of their deaths being "one other astronaut"
@@XOXFilmStudio but Parker wasn’t “another astronaut”. He was the commander
@@soupafi he definitely was not. Watch the episode again.
The names got messy, but he was not the commander. Just a worker as the other comment pointed out. I thought he was for a split second when they mentioned the commander's name too@@soupafi
@@XOXFilmStudioRed Faction crossover confirmed😂
I felt like Aleida's struggle presented to us this season is a conjunction of things: PTSD from the bombing, which to me is like the 9/11 event in an alternate timeline, hence the beefed up security, and second, her Dad's issues he suffered when he was on in the earlier seasons. Probably foreshadowing of things to come.
The JSC bombing is more directly analogous to the OKC bombing in our timeline.
They didn’t mention 9/11, so it either didn’t happen or it’s just not that important to the show. Though, it’s interesting that they didn’t mention 9/11 yet they mentioned a death of a famous director. I also like how JFK Jr is still alive in this timeline. Bet if they did a 5th season, he’d become president. They seem to like the idea of a Kennedy in office
I am almost certain those scenes of her walking around in a 'Russian' town were actually filmed in Sofia, Bulgaria. I lived there and some of the buildings looked very familiar.
Probably Finland or Estonia
@@williamerazo3921 Maybe Estonia - I don't think Finland looks like that anywhere. All those formerly communist countries have a similar look and feel.
I was wondering where they would have been filmed, due to obvious reason why filming can’t be in Russia
looks a bit like Poland too
@@jesse7631 aka: Shitty ;)
I can't wait to see all the new episodes of this series! and especially your videos about it! I wanted to ask you if you will also do a series for " Monarch: legacy of The monster " and " Masters of The Air " are both on Apple TV+!!
I'll probably cover Masters of the Air when that comes out.
I dont know what initially spawned my dream of space mining, but it's one I've always been fascinated by it. This episode left me in awe, it was equal parts inspiring and terrifying
Happy to be watching the new series and u are the first person I thought of when watching I was hoping u were still
Makin vids on ur and u didn’t disappoint brother !! Thank u
With Russia I think the attempt cue against corbershov that happened in our time line is going to happen here but a little later and one side is looking to recruit her
Looking forward to the intro recap. Great breakdown. Greetings from Argentina! 🇦🇷
Thanks man ! For this breakdown. As soon as I came here after watching new episode. 🌒🧑🚀🚀
No problem
I don't see Ed being excluded from space travel in season 5, if he doesn't die or something. I can see him being a celebrity guest on a space yacht around the Moon ala Clarke's 2061.
Ed could be in season 5, hell he could still be season 7, just means he'll be very, very old but in the show as a character and in the show as an astronaut are two very different things. It's been suggested season 7 would be within the realms of 2030's which would put him over 100, so it's unlikely but things could change. At the start of season 4 he is 72 which is getting pretty out there in terms of plausibility. Can people of 70+ go into space and do stuff, yes, of course, sure but plausibly is it going to be likely? No. No it's not. Commanding in his 60's last season was a bit on the edge too. It's not so much about whether it can be done in theory it's about whether it's plausible. Experience is only a single facet out of hundreds for why they would pick someone to go up out of a large selection pool. He's either going to die or retire in this season as the seasons tend to encompass a decade each at the very least and as said he's 72 right now.
@@CoffeeFiend1 There's certainly an opportunity to dive into the "life after space" aspect of his story. I agree with you.
@@phillipleavenworth I hope they do. I'm about 50/50 unsure whether they'll kill him off or have him as secondary supporting character, effectively an old man relegated to advisory. By extension his screen time would diminish quite a bit. It would be nice if Ed, Ellen and Danielle could kick around until the shows end though, original pioneers from the earliest days. Margo I'm unsure about, she'd also be original too but I think her story is being set up as a big espionage side of the show which is also a way of letting us see more of the Russian side.
@@CoffeeFiend1 I can definitely see that. Keeping my fingers crossed. I was thinking they'd do something in later seasons involving a mission to a nearby star. But I think a mission to Saturn is next after the asteroids.
John Glenn went to space at 77 so definitely plausible but for long periods thats debatable
Aw was looking forward to your breakdown Pete, love when you cover shows I watch and always your video was great 😊
I'm glad I could watch the show and then your video! The opening news sequence really got to me.
"just need to wrangle [asteroids] into Mars' orbit" 🤣😆🤣 I am curious to know why Canada and China are not participating in M7. I hope we find out.
Grigory was never gonna be able to do anything to fix those anchors while that asteroid was under load. They should've just stopped, detached and then started again. The asteroid was obviously not solid enough for those anchors. Sack the geologist.
so far the space accidents have been somewhat believable (suspension of disbelief is a big part of sci-fi) but the whole asteroid sequence, from the contraption they made to the astronauts going out because reasons was a head scratcher. On the show's direction, i get where they're going and why but I'm not entirely convinced how well received this shift will be. And on Danny Stevens destiny, his actor is not credited in any of the episodes so yeah, he died in Mars
He still part of the Character List in Season 4. The Show pointed out so many signs that he's dead that I'm sure he's not dead.
@@gerardanderson9665Yeah, things were made a bit too vague with that. I believe we are being lead to believe he's dead, but there is something else going on. Or (if he's actually dead), it will get revealed in a flashback.
This season really feels so far like the equivalent of NASA’s “Faster, Better, Cheaper,” era irl, which notably featured multiple major mission failures due to it not being possibly to do all 3 successfully.
Yeah, well they've got a Capitalist in charge, so things aren't gonna be pretty...
I don't get tired to say it, but this is one of the best sci-fi shows on air right now.
Nope - it looks nice and could be one of the best shows if it wasn’t filled with communistic propaganda about minority hires, women replacing men against all odds and capabilities as well as portraying actual conquerors (men) like weak and troubled kids and losers (astronauts!!! Drinks and emotionally unstable! Sic!)
That episode brought back so many emotions, really happy to see the show has not lost its magic :)
It never had any magic… it’s nauseating progressive anti human propagit…
So good to be back in this universe! Great First Episode
Thank you Pete for making these explanations videos and for your voice too...
Love how Daniel gets the suite on the transport and Miles gets the cheap seats
The suites are for the actual astronauts, and the cheap seats are for the manual labor people so makes sense tbh
@@kalen1702 Not really. Even with the new drive (which, if I understood correctly, is not yet deployed) it would take more than 30 days. So a seat will simply not cut it. That manual labor still needs to sleep, move around, wash up etc. I guess there are some communal spaces for all of that but still - a big difference between an astronaut and an ordinary worker is that astronauts are trained to live for an extended periods of time in a tin can, ordinary people are not.
Imagine having a plane flight for 30+ days non-stop. Also, the layout of the "cruiser" does not make much sense here - it has decks that are co-linear with the thrust vector, it should be perpendicular.
Also, astronauts are basically technicians (their words, not mine) so there is no real difference between them and the "manual labor" in terms of skill/value. They are not sending manual labor in a sense that they are sweatshop kinda labor, but highly skilled and specialized workforce. They are VERY valuable. One could argue even more than astronauts at this point - with the whole mining and industry going on.
Daniel gets the suite not because she is an astronaut, but because she is a celebrity and a VIP. Any other astronaut would have probably be in the seat next to the driller guy.
Which also rises a new question - astronaut/cosmonaut is a name we add to anyone who goes into space (the one sailing the stars, or cosmos). So that driller guy is also technically an astronaut.
@@Wustenfuchs109 yeah I just meant the worker gets the cheap seats as in “cheap tickets”. I understand there are likely bunks and common areas
My head-canon is that this show is a direct prequel to The Expanse
I see this series as an unofficial prequel to The Expanse.
Not really since in the expand climate change causes a global crisis and here it's been fixed since the 80s
Everyone keeps sayin that an I get it but I just had a sick idea. Instead of expanse prequel... it's Dune.
The events in this timeline has already laid the groundwork to make all these space industry corporations the sole gatekeepers to mankind's advancement. Given enough time, their wealth an power would swell to the size dynasties we seen in Dune. Especially when fueled by a history where humanity values superiority in space an resources over freedom an human life. Especially after finding that asteroid to mine. And that's not even factoring in all the surface deep nationalism driving all these powers.
In this timeline we also focused on space/travel/fusion power tech an exotic space metals instead of creating computers first. I'm sure you could find a way to this leading to the thinking machine jihad from Dune.
Anyways, jus a fun idea to think about
I've missed you my friend
hey delighted the show is back aswel as your videos. please remember to do videos on the mini web episodes. the news of the alt world is my fav part of the show. please dont tae to long. xxx
Honestly, this alternate reality is my reality 🤣 I love this show!
You love commie propaganda aimed at destroying humanity? You realise it’s all an infeasible pipe dream meant to reprogram society into believing women can be forced to be engineers and basically to replace men without having any abilities to do so?
S04 started?! omg, drop everything, i'll be back in 45 mins, (edit) make that 65 mins
No Roskosmos in USSR. Not to mention english text in local newspapers. Golden Raspberry nomination.
Maybe it's the english edition since the us and ussr are buddies now.
To be fair, this USSR and ours are not the same, they have different practices - so it would make sense that in the 1990's and onward, USSR would create a centralized space agency. In our timeline, Russia did it in the same time period. So USSR creating in the 1990's as well makes sense. Would it be called Roskosmos? Probably not. It would have been something less "national" in the name. But the show writers went for something people would recognize.
As for the English text, it was normal. It is not "local newspaper", it is International Tribune. And USSR, along with other countries, had those kinds of newspaper throughout the Cold War. You could not get them at every stand, but you could read western newspapers.
That being said, there were also specialized newspapers, International Herald Tribune being one of them, for audiences abroad. It is not really strange, it is in fact a nice touch and a wink at historical accuracy.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Agreed. Missed that she got 2 newspapers.
No, the papers she bought were specifically the international (ENglish) ones. It's like how you can read the French paper at your local library if you wanted to in 2003. Normal stuff.
I'm baffled that they didn't name it SovKosmos or just create a ministry of Space. That's literally how Soviets named 90% of the government organizations.
Cables.
It's always the cable...
The old age make-up is ten times better than last season and ten years older. So convincing.
Hey Pete and thanks as always for your great content! Gonna watch S4E01 now, but I needed to ask you an unrelated question: why did you abruptly stop covering Succession?
I was covering a few shows at that time and the schedule wasn't working. Succession was performing much worse in every metric so it was the one I dropped.
@@PetePeppers1 Thanks for the response, makes sense.i would’ve loved to hear your breakdown on Connor’s wedding episode ;)
As much as I despise Ed still being around, I also like that the show at least acknowledges that he himself knows his time is almost up. That if he goes home, this is it. Hopefully with the jump S5 will likely make he just retires already or is forced to. I can't imagine Ed in the 2010s still be around, he'd be in his late 80s early 90s. Otherwise this season has me excited, seems like it's back on course from the more lighthearted S3 setting.
i think ed wants to die on mars or be buried on mars like the s1 guy and maybe even be buried next to the soviet guy, there will be a time jump in season too 3-5/6 years.
He doesn't seem like the type of guy who would be happy do retire. He will probably have a glorious kinda of death at the end of the season. There isn't much to do with him since he's old, Karen is dead and Kelly is now a mother. There's no way he will simply retire and have a normal life until he dies of old age.
What is wrong with you to despise ed being around?!? He is the only liable and semi realistic character left in this poor excuse for good sci-fi show…
@@ipodman1910 lol what
@@ipodman1910 Wayne was so loved/relatiba guy, sould have done a major side plot line in s2 with him gliding the finance's/spouses/husbands/wives of the ascans he meets the ascans at the bar in s2 ep1 talks to them say hi im wanye for those with spouses meet up with me here x location i can talk to them.
Al Gore instead of George Bush, how do I hop to this timeline?
I will watch your video after I watch the show this evening
When space gets more populated, it is going to be interesting to see if a new culture is born like that of the Expanse.
When we humans eventually do move out into space someday to the moon, mars, and beyond new cultures and new languages will emerge it's a given it will happen it's only a matter of time.
Unfortunately i will not live long enough to see humanity move deeper into space much less live long enough to see new cultuers and new languages emerge on other worlds.
I wish I could be alive to see that too. @@G-Man-half-life
There’s a common fan theory that this is in fact a prequel to The Expanse, and it seems increasingly possible.
Space will not get more populated- it’s a pipe dream.
Seriously, who thought that not having a navigation unit when doing the eva from ranger 1 was a good idea. I was shocked when I saw that. I'm not a mechanical or construction engineer, but I thought that a single push point on a asteroid wasn't going to work either. I guess it would be a cost issue, which I can understand, but I would have expected some type of "tripod" extension from ranger 1. I'm guessing the wobble was due to an uneven weight distribution within the internals of the asteroid. If someone has better engineering info, I'd love to hear it.
There is no better engineering info. The show, from season 2 already, started making questionable design choices so that accidents could happen and create the narrative.
In reality, no, a concept like this would never work or be seriously proposed. If we skip for the moment the energy requirements for moving such a rock and talk just about the rig - you wouldn't attach anything anywhere. You'd actually bury the main craft in it. For multiple reasons - and structural integrity being one of them.
Those engines are extremely powerful (they need to be) and any maneuver that is not strictly linear would lead to a disaster that would take about a fraction of a second - no joint would be able to sustain the stresses involved. The whole rig, as depicted, would be pointless and useless. Also, the whole cable system is meaningless when you are pushing the asteroid. It does not help in any shape or form.
As a matter of fact, it harms the whole structure. Any stress on the main mast and the increase in tension would immediately be distributed to the anchors along the line, causing fractures in the asteroid which is NOT a solid one-piece rock.
In a realistic scenario (let us say you have the engines that are able to do the pushing), you'd excavate the area on the asteroid enough to slot in the nose of the ship/engine rig, using its entire surface area/cross section as a push plate, distributing the load as much as possible and gaining more precise maneuver capabilities. Any and all turning would then be done via different power distribution to the engine array and/or gimbal.
But, as I said, the show has been utilizing stupid designs in everything since the start of season 2 in order to create those drama moments and scenarios. So this is nothing new really.
@@Wustenfuchs109 Thanks. I was thinking along some of these lines. A few years ago, I read up on asteroid mining because I knew someone that was working at a company and I saw him on a national tv show talking about it. I thought the idea was to mine in place and then transport the recovered minerals back so that they could use the least amount of engine propellent possible. Of course, it was all theoretical then, just like it is now.
I do enjoy all of these "what if" shows. I'm glad the show is back. I'm waiting on the next 9 episodes.
@@WallaceBMcClure In theory, yes, you'd mine and ideally even refine the ore at the site, and return only the finished goods back to Earth/Mars/Moon. As you stated, due to the propellant issues and the inherent dangers of moving an asteroid.
They are usually in steady orbits, you know how will they react. So you'd go there and do what you need to do. To move a fairly loose mountain of rocks over huge distances into an orbit of an inhabited celestial body - no one in their sane mind would dare to do such a thing. You have absolutely no idea how will it behave even if you manage to move it intact from point A to point B.
Just like, an equivalent of the Earth mining, we do not pick up a mountain, bring it next to a city and then start mining it. No, we create mines where the ore is, preferably far away from any major city due to health and safety concerns among other things, and we do all the dirty and dangerous work on site and ship the final product from there.
For asteroid mining, same logic would be applied.
The only reason you have for actually trying to move an asteroid is if it was on a collision course with some human colony/inhabited celestial body. A that point, you'd risk it, because the worst option is already a collision, so anything that you do can hardly cause more harm.
See that was not even my issue with the scene. Mine is how in the hell are they supposed to flip that thing around to do the capture burn at mars even if the mission went smooth they would over shoot not to mention it didn’t even look designed to handle being retrograde to the rock as the cables would slack and the rock crushes the ship.
@@lilkris3008 I didn’t even articulate that. :-). I’m with you. Yeah, they’d have to rotate and apply some force to drop into orbit. And who thinks that moving a mountain sized asteroid is a safe idea to begin with.
And we never got to another issue is that I doubt that asteroids are really hard rocks. I’ve always read they some are piles of rock that clumped together via some static electrical attraction and weak gravity. The key being it’s not one big solid rock. Of course, if all of these problems were solved, we wouldn’t have a tv show to watch. :-)
Sometimes the astronauts really make the worst decisions 🤦♂️🤦♂️
This show has always stretched credulity, but that was so ridiculous it was a huge turn off. Seriously wtf
Defense contractors don't have feelings about who gets the credit, except that it's the government person they support because they are the wind beneath their customer's wing.
The Expanse is by far the best space series. With this coming in at a distant second
Great show, glad it's back.
thanks for letting me know the new season dropped!
It’s a crime this show isn’t known beyond a handful of people! And thank god for getting rid of the bastard sons of Danny and Jimmy.
PETE- will you be doing FARGO season 5???????????
The moment when you realize we're living in the Mirror Universe timeline.
With the time jump, there’s a brief newspaper story about how on October 8th, 1999, JFK Jr (3 months after his real life death) was running for senate.
This, coupled with no Hillary Clinton, would indicate he’d be an incredibly important politician, and I would bet a SIGNIFICANT amount of money he’s the president in season 5.
This show is real good, it's been scratching my "The Expanse" itch, and it's the only reason I have Apple TV. So far, everything has been remarkably accurate, but the one thing I just can't get over is in this episode. When the asteroid rig is coming apart under thrust, why didn't they just cut thrust and coast? Like they're firing the engines and shit starts breaking and they just keep running the engines like it's not going to get worse. An object at motion stays in motion and all that, the ship and the asteroid are going the same velocity, just stop applying stress and work it out. It's really driving me nuts but I know I gotta let it go 😅
I was surprised/disappointed they didn’t put dates on screen - when did the accident take place? When / how much later was Danielle on the way to Mars?
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Non est ad astra mollis e terris via
There is no soft way to the stars from the earth
Pete, can this show hold a place in your head as a spiritual prequel to The Expanse? It has Naren Shankar in the higher up roles, so one can certainly feel the similarities.
Naren was only involved in the first season. I love The Expanse and can't deny that it's fun to imagine these stories taking place in the same timeline. I think the For All Mankind Universe is imagined as a more hopeful one though. It feels like there is a connection because both shows follow a realistic path to explore the Solar System, but The Expanse is closer to the trajectory we're on in our timeline while FAM is more likely imagined as a spiritual successor for a universe closer to Star Trek's. Which makes sense since Ronald Moore and Naren both came up writing for Star Trek: The Next Generation.
I like that bit of comparison there. The whole idea of the prolonged space race that continued into our near contemporary times having a positive impact on humanity and our planet as a whole is extremely intriguing. The continued push for fusion technology and away from fossil fuels has a wonderful “What If…” vibe that is one of the reasons I enjoy this show.
the for all mankind universe feels like the precursor to james cameron's avatar universe.
O My God... I'm thinking what could be the theme of Season 5... and it would have to be AI in space by 2012... or am I thinking Season 6 in 2021?
the joint legality would probably depend on the flag of the ship since space follows maritime law
So why does Margot get the card with a phone number in American 3 segment format (but without a leading international +1 dial code)?
Massey and, uhh... that other guy are clearly the first belters.
My theory, remember when they buried the pistol that the DPRK (first man on Mars from S3) they marked it with what looked like a normal lugwrench and was sticking up above the surface - I bet Dani saw that, bored and dug it up and did exactly what the DPRK character was about to do in S3
Well crap, you addressed that at the end LOL - thanks for thinking like I was
In the Mars Launch Window animation 2:13 Mars zooms around it's orbit at twice the speed of the Earth. It's ridiculous considering what it's supposed to be demonstrating.
The news is trying to be simplistic. Have you seen some of their pictures for things in season three
I want to see what happened on 9/11
Like did a similar terrorist attack like was it the JSC bombing because of no funding of the taliban in the Afganastan civil war or did it still happen
They probably ate Danny on mars.
Does anyone know Latin well enough to translate the JSC Bombing Memorial's inscription of "Non Est Ad Astra Mollise Terris Via"? The only thing I can come up with that makes sense using web translators is "There is no way to the stars and a weak Earth".
It is a saying from Seneca (ancient Rome), means "The trip from the earth to the stars is not an easy one".
@@Wustenfuchs109 Thx
@@ianbui5356You're welcome.
Pete Peppers , Thanks Much !.......
"Miner strike at two moon COAL mines" ?!?!?!?
like the attention to detail - no sound in space
I clearly sensed something bad happened to Danny too. We will probably find out in the next episode or two, but I suspect that the extreme isolation caused him to go crazy. I'm unsure how that played out since, while Will and Danielle's conversation clearly stated she had something to do with it, it's unclear whether that's in reference to the decision to banish Danny or if she was involved in something after that. Since Lee Jung-Gil's pistol was buried near the North Korean capsule, I'm guessing it was dug up and either Danny shot himself just like Lee almost did or Danielle was forced to shoot him after he became violent during a resupply.
And Pete is on...
I find myself uttering What Could Go Wrong... every episode. Only to find out exactly what
That asteroid push has the potential to bite us in the behind later in the season, could the asteroid now be going towards Mars/Earth/the moon?!
Agreed. It is good to be back.
Hecka pissed they demoted Ed from this hero who saved his daughters life into this guy smoking pot in a little room on Mars.
The trailer has some Buck Rogers vibes
Since the university on the form of the other person that Miles was looking at was different from the one the interviewer questions him about,
I was wondering if he got instantly caught in the lie but it was kept a secret from him.
Just me?
Someone "knows" he lied but still allowed his training, and Flight to Mars to happen?
Suppose they could play that angle... But they've already jumped ahead so unless he has been Blackmailed or will be... They'll maybe just give us a simple "Working Man" that has the practical knowledge when/where others will spout off their "book learning" and reasons why things might not work.
Kind of expect he and Ed will hit it off... Having to make decisions on the Fly might not always work out but being willing to make them and continue on Rain or Shine seems like something both would do
It will be interesting to see what happens to the price of these rare elements if they can successfully mine asteroids. I’m sure that tn financial analysis is based on either. High constant value or an increasing one. With mining, it would probably increase the available supply of these elements by a large enough amount as to negatively effect the price, driving the price down. That would set of political turmoil in the ussr, just like the turmoil shown in Saudi’s Arabia in the newsreels. I bet that is how the put in the coup in Moscow.
Well, just saying...I don't like the bald cap they've plastered on Joel Kinnaman's head to supposedly create a receding hairline. It just makes him look like a character from Fox Mulder's dreams in X-Files.
PS: So far, I really like the Miles character. Refreshing! 👍
Alternate timelines, especially when cleverly conceived and executed, present windows to what might have been. The only two quibbles I have regarding this particular alternate timeline is the inclusion of North Korea in any capacity as a real player in the space race and the absurd minimization of the global collapse of fossil fuel industries. On the upside: a lesbian (Republican from Texas!) re-elected president; Ion-drive which is a monumental breakthrough in and of itself; John Lennon lives.
On the North Korea topic - if you look at it, it is actually a very ghastly storyline. They used old soviet style capsule for the trip to Mars and did not plan, in any capacity, for their people to come back. It was supposed to be just a propaganda victory with dead astronauts. And, frankly, if a country can send a lander to Mars, they can send a human as well. Both USA and USSR could have technically done it in the 1970's... it's just that it would be one way trip and unpleasant does not even begin to describe it.
In the eyes of a regime like North Korea, it would make complete sense to refurbish an ICBM to send a relatively low payload to Mars, just so they could say that they landed humans first. If you look at the soft landings on Mars, they successfully landed 4+ tons craft on Mars in the 1970's. A human, packed with enough food for one round trip, is less than 500kg of payload... leaving you with a 3.5t landing vehicle.
If they basically wanted to send a tin-can with people and enough food and water to just get them to Mars alive, yes, they could have probably done it, and they are one of the rare governments in the world that would even attempt something like that.
Story wise? Does not make any sense so far, there are no effects of it yet. Will there be? I have no idea. It is actually less likely that N. Korea would be able to pull it off without anyone knowing, than the whole mission itself. During the Cold War, every single launch was monitored in detail. While it would be possible, even for N. Korea, to pull of a suicide mission like that in hopes that humans at least land alive, there is no snowball's chance in hell that other players would not notice it.
You two has a very biased thinking about North Korea... first, North Korea was an industrial power back in the 70's and was very prosperous to the point it was used as an example of a successful communist country by the soviets. Without the collapse of the communist block in the 90's North korea was able to keep developing their economy and industry.
About the mission, it was not planed to be 100% suicidal to begin with, the probe was the closest to happy valley for a reason. The plan was to land first on mars in the same place they knew the soviets would land, that way the other missions would be forced to bring the north koreans back for them...
@@Lordkantou They were indeed used as a propaganda example of success... but they were not. Like border nations of the western block, foreign capital was pumped into it to make it a shield against the other side. In the same way West Germany was brought from the ashes, while other countries "behind" it were not to the same extent. USA and USSR promoted and maintained their "border" countries in order to prepare and keep them as the waterbreak in case of any future war.
Communist block collapsing has nothing to do with it - China started its meteoric rise in the same period, while also being in the same economic block in general. N. Korea failed not because the block failed, but because their "economic miracle" was simply - fake. Artificial. Made and kept by foreign investment.
In the show, the probe was not sent close to anything - they had to drive for quite some time in a rover to get to the N. Korean site. Also, N. Korean was there for quite a long time and had no way of getting to the Happy Valley site - even if, by some miracle, he knew where the damn thing even is.
The whole plan was made under the assumption that they 100% knew where everyone else is planning to land, plans not changing, sending the crew that will survive the trip, actually manage to land close to the same site in the tin-can they arrived, and somehow manage to get to the other colony and get a ride back.
Yeah... it was 100% suicidal mission, even with all the odds working in their favor - because the things that made the N. Korean survive were in fact NOT planned at all, and as such, North Korea could not count them in either in their mission plan.
I can see a mission like that being attempted, but even in a alternative universe like this one, it was always planned to be one way trip.
And when you say biased, you need to say towards what or whom. Realism? Common sense? Sure. Even though I consider myself a radical socialist, you'd never hear from me talking about such propaganda nonsense as N. Korea being anything else, or could become anything else, than it was/is. So I am probably the least biased person about N. Korea (except some N. Korean patriot I guess) that you are likely to find yet still I call bullshit.
Not sure I buy Micheal Jordan becoming a great baseball player and one still good at a old age in 2003. He must of really hated playing for the Portland Trailblazers.
@@Wustenfuchs109 you are only repeating the lies of the western media, but that is normal, is the only thing you know...
I was watching with my friend and when I saw the new guy show up in his jumpsuit and he had the name Miles on it, I knew he was screwed. Ronald D Moore made Mile O'Brien suffer for years on Deep Space Nine. He has made Ed suffer for decades on this show and now that Ed is an old man and about to face the sweet release that is death, Ronald created a new Miles to sufferings onto. This poor basta is about to experience psychological pain the like he can't even fathom.
For a second there I thought the new NASA director was the old flight engineer that wet his pants
I think I liked this premiere more than season 3’s.Though it likely has the 2nd weakest newsreel out of the four so far. Season 2 still has the best one.
How do they brush over the ages of these characters? I mean they were in their 20-30's in the 1960's in season 1, now its 2003 so they should all be around 60-70 years old and still flying ships and going to mars etc.
ed said in season 3 that he would be “pushing 70” by the second mars mission in 1998, prior to the launches being moved up, so he’s definitely somewhere in his early to mid 70s now
Actually, by the time of the Moon landing, Baldwin is 40 years old. His in-show birthyear is 1929 +-1 year. So, in 2003 he is 74. While there are no astronauts in our timeline being active at that age, the closest we currently have is 68 years old, it has been stated in the previous season that Baldwin is taking steroids and other medicine in order to be viable for space missions for longer.
Also, in this timeline, medicine is more advanced so it helps even more.
They do not brush over their age, but they did prolong the active years for some of them to the reasonable limit within the universe they created. As I said, current oldest active astronaut is 68, so Baldwin's 74 is not that far off, and that 6 years difference between our world and the show is covered by explaining that advanced medicine is involved, prolonging the time one would be able to do certain things.
Well, Glenn was 77 when he went up on the shuttle.......
@@Wustenfuchs109 Also doesn't hurt that he's been living a LONG time in a low-grav environment, so less stress on his joints and heart. Coming back to Earth must be a bitch for him!
@@Wustenfuchs109The newspaper Margo was reading puts his age at 72 in March 2003.
Because in season 5 there will be a new space right? Between them And China Canada erase to get to the two planets in between the sun 3:25
Wait north korea??? Did the Korean War happen in this series?
Yes. Ed Baldwin is a veteran from that war, he went to NASA as a test pilot after the war.
I think basically everything before the late 60s is supposed to be the same in this timeline. So this world still has a lot of similarities to ours as well. There’s a great twist involving North Korea in the last season that seems very in character for them
You'd think Margo would speak Russian better having been there for almost a decade.
She only been there 7 year - 2003
Yeah, I thought the same thing. I lived in Bulgaria for 6 years, and after 3 or 4 I was speaking pretty well, without much of an American accent.
I mean, I'm not too surprised. I feel like her age, and region of origin, would limit her ability to learn proper Russian pronunciation.
Her Russian was pretty good to be fair. She's gifted in physics, mathematics, engineering (and I guess piano?), she's intelligent but it doesn't necessarily entail she'll be super gifted with languages. I've known people with multiple PhDs that suck with languages. She also seems to be very isolated, so she's not going to get much practice beyond interacting with people in shops.
@@CoffeeFiend1 It took me a year to learn a slavic language perfectly with no accent.
Oh, what about his son back? 14:32
I am definitely not unhappy with danny not being alive anymore.
He’s alive. Pete forgot about the North Korean. No body = alive. Maybe underground.
Cables are deadlier than guns in space!
Season of to a good start
I expected that the intro of season four would include a reference to the 9/11 WTC attacks
Maybe they never happened, since the Mideast plays a lesser role due to tech from the space race. Unless the attacks happen this season since they will be further marginalized. The bombing of Space Center Houston last season was basically the Federal Building bombing that happened under Clinton.
Me too. I was surprised to see we were in 2003. Guess without Afghanistan it didn’t happen in this timeline
I can understand why China didn't join the M7 but I would like them to explain Canada because we would have joined just to make sure that we don't get affected by the US.
Yeah, things are not ideal in this alternate future. Seems we do things faster than it should be allowed as is too common.
I don’t view it as this universe being irresponsible, more so not “slowing down” like the modern real world did. They simply have the same zeal as 15th century explorers, and accept such levels of risk, which looks irresponsible from our perspective. They didn’t slow down.
@@4DRC_ We didn't slow down because of the risks, but because there was no need/point. In their world, they landed a lunar station to one-up the Soviets. OK, made sense. Everything past it, there was no real justification in-world for it. Jamestown growing to a size of a village... why, exactly? What was the drive, the benefit? We could say the rule of cool, we could say the expansion of humanity... but that is not really what drives and funds those things. Those 15th century explorers were not doing exploring for the adventure and betterment of humanity, they were exploring for new trade routes and new lands to conquer. There was a massive economic drive behind it all.
In For all Mankind, there is no such thing past Season 1. Things just... happen. They grow without any apparent explanation and reasoning.
That's the reason why we "slowed down" in our timeline. There was no real reason for it. Several Saturn V rockets were already built, missions planned, when the thing was shut down. Not because we didn't have the zeal or couldn't accept the risk... but because there wasn't any point to it beyond a certain stage at a certain time.
That is probably one of my biggest problems with the world building of the show (scientific and engineering stupidities being the biggest one), they gave 0 explanation as to how their world got to the point where it is now, what drove them to make those steps that we didn't take at that time.
Season 2 - a whole village on the Moon. Why? Well, it is a natural growth of the single-module station from Season 1. No, it is not. There was no explanation what so ever. What were all those people doing there, why, what justified the funding of such a base?
Season 3 - we are going to Mars. OK, why? It is a natural step after the Moon, true, but any reason other than "well, because!"?
Season 4 - there is a whole city on Mars and industry on the Moon. OK, cool. But why the hell would you do that?! Again, rule of cool, I like seeing it, I like thinking about it, but there is little to no actual reason for those things to happen (which is why they didn't happen in our timeline) and the show offers no explanation either, nor does it bother with it at all.
I don’t think Danny is dead.
It could be because of their privacy And yes, they are expendable 9:25
So in this alternate timeline an Astronaut can smoke weed on "Mars" while poor kids get locked up for smoking weed on their "street"!?🤔