In a world where the cold war focuses less on weapons development and is centered around space exploration and expoitation. We dont have stealth fighter technology but on the other hand have a manned base on mars......very difficult choice.
@Dr.Kananga "Started pushing social agendas into the script" like...equality?? I will say that a lot of Ellen's storyline and the legalization of gay marriage in 2000 stretches suspension of disbelief, but it's also a glimpse into a world that could have been if progress weren't held back for decades
@@Dr.Kananga Didn't it always address social issues? In the first season a woman is landed on the moon, which pressures America to also begin training women, accelerating the women's rights movement, culminating in the Equal Rights Amendment being passed. That's all in season 1.
@@OrangeRiverI agree with that, but it felt so forced and crammed it became repetitive, the theme of space flight became just a background for a soap opera. This has been happening across several series across the board, and eventually removed the fun or interest from watching them.
@@esceri1 Which is fine, I never said it wasn't. But it's that kind of topic that goes along well when there's the right amount in it. Too much hot sauce ruins the dish.
My father is a retired Aerospace engineer. I knew I had to show him this as soon as the Corvette race in episode one started. We were both mesmerized by the possibilities and differences the show showed.
Apple actually heavily advertises the show inside the Apple TV app... Not much, if at all, anywhere else. Presumably, they only care that existing subscribers are actually watching them... Not sure why they don't want to advertise out to get more subscribers...
My favorite part of the show is the nuclear power. Like, they don't get all NIMBY and surprise surprise global warming is just solved like it's nothing.
If only it was that easy. Ok, let's start with now constant auroras aka northen lights visible not just in the north. Well, that is because of weakening of magnetic field. Why does it weakens? Does human print has to do anything with it? Absolutely zero! It weakens because it magnetic poles are shifting. It does frequently on this rock, with us or without us. When does it flip? Two major versions here : The internal magma dynamics (remnants of the planet earth swallowed 3 billion years ago is from time to time gets clumped and that most of the magnetic forces concentrates there and that shifts the magnetic poles) and galactic accretion sheet, through which our system is travelling now contains billions times more energetic particles that usual void and those particles supercharges the sun to cause frequent x-10 class flares as well as directly bypassing the heliosphere rushes straight to planet earth and our magnettosphere is nothing to those particles. So, how does going nuclear, which I am 100% supporter of, solves the "climate change" ?
@@demukazzWhat, so coincidently after the industrial revolution global temperature increases are just due to our solar system moving through a galactic accretion disc, our planets poles flipping, Oh, and also the earth core somehow “supercharging” the sun? Occam’s razor dude, we burn things, we make things hotter. Us using aerosol caused issues for our earth, after it was banned we saw no further ozone depletion. So clearly we impact our atmosphere more than the bs you are spouting off. Nuclear power would stop large scale carbon emissions, that is how it solves our climate crisis. Your “theories” are politically motivated, tell me who wins if carbon emissions aren’t the reason, tell me who wins if it is. What is it so “fake scientists” get more funding? Funding for what, their Bugattis? Are they kicking back margaritas on private yachts? No those are oil tycoonists you daft cow.
@@demukazzill answer what I think youre asking in two parts Recently, weve had more G5 geomagnetic events because the sun is in a more active period. And to answer how nuclear power will solve climate change, it wonf. It will significantly reduce emissions until a better solution is rolled out, while also being very cost effective. The emissions from nuclear are not zero, but compared to out current methods of power generation, they might as well be. Mass nuclear adoption would bring the "shits fucked" timer from 100 years or longer depending on scale of adoption, more than enough time to implement better long term solutions
@@demukazzThe flux from that is noting compared to regular radiative forcing or the fact that that solar irradiance has actually declined over the same time the temperature has increased
It's not a soap opera in space. It has drama in which it follows characters lives which are important to the storyline. It's not an epic space show about aliens and space battles. It's grounded in realism and much of the show, despite being set in space, is in fact set in the past, by our perspective, 60s to 2000s and beyond.
One of the early changes in the characters of historical people was in how Mike Collins was portrayed during their version of Apollo 11. After the dicey landing, while Houston couldn't communicate with the LM, "For All Mankind" has Collins stating that he had gone over it with the mission planners before they left, and he was NOT coming home alone. They have him insisting that they either find Neil and Buzz, or they could say sayonara to the entire crew. Whereas, in real life, in his autobiography, Collins wrote of his actual perspective on the prospect -- that if Neil and Buzz failed to return from the landing attempt, "I am coming home, forthwith. But I will be a marked man for life, and I know it." To me, this was one of the biggest shifts in an historical character that the writers created. Later on in the series, altered events and the introduction of more fictional characters made such changes a lot rarer.
Too early to tell, but I dare say, that thumbnail switch was a good idea lol. Jokes aside, This seems like a super neat show that I may have to check out. Also, I like the fact that it's a longer video and that you were outside for some of it. I have no idea why that made me happy, but it did haha.
It's a very interesting show if you'd enjoy a 'What if?' look at our history, if things had run on a slightly different trajectory and space exploration didn't fizzle out in the 70s and just charged ahead without stopping.
You forgot to add the Soviets never invade Afghanistan in ‘79 so Bin Laden doesn’t travel there to fight them. That combined with no ‘91 Gulf War means there’s no Al Qaeda/9-11. He’s probably just hanging out with his rich family in Saudi Arabia. The show does mention that there is a violent civil war in Saudi Arabia I think in the 2000’s.
I presume, the Jamestown mention in The Expanse is Naren Shankar's way to honor his friendship with Ron D Moore. Since, they are good friends since Star Trek days and they even tried to develop a TV show together after Star Trek and before BSG, Ron talked about this somewhere. And The Expanse is known for a lot of references for the pop cultural things they like.
Great video! Seriously one of the best shows of the last 30 years. I'm pretty excited to see what happens in season 5. Word on the street is that Ron Moore wrote it as a 7 season arc. So fingers crossed!
It does start slow. For good or worse, it does linger a little in the early days of NASA (when compared to later seasons) perhaps a little longer than needed. But once the show finds it's feet, each season roughly follows a decade and time jumps between seasons and keeps things fresher and interesting as it goes on.
The world for all mankind would be so much greater if Worf was allowed to win poker games again. Thank you Orange River for bringing this to our attention.
I remember an ad popping up for this and I was just about to skip it when I heard the word "Soviet" then I immediately backed away from the skip button and watched it. And I'm glad I did! Because I love this show!!
Something I’m gonna mention because I’m in the middle of a rewatch of season four about in the middle of episode 9 Daniel Poole says that there are only 3 Star Trek shows, meaning they either stopped after DS9 or the accelerated rate of space development changed everything after TOS
I think the ones she was referring to were probably TOS, TAS, and Phase II, since according to Ronald D. Moore, Phase II got made in that universe. There was no Motion Picture, and Wrath of Khan was the first Trek film. I think all of the Berman era shows don't exist in that timeline :0
@@OrangeRiverthat is kind of unfortunate since DS9 is one of the best Star Trek shows of all time. A lot of the stories in DS9 simply wouldn't happen in For All Mankind. Terrorism that the Bajorans used wouldn't be as important a topic, it would be more 'hopefully" since Happy Valley, Jamestown, etc., exist. However, the loses to TV shows are nothing compared to the gains in FAM, so I would gladly take that.
This show is absolutely wonderful. It's the sort of niche sci-fi that appeals to this old Star Trek riddled brain, and I hope that Moore gets his 7 seasons. The attention to detail is phenomenal, and im so glad that you've pointed out things I've never noticed before. Im not sure if I'd want to live in that world, but I hope that we can achieve some of the things we've seen so far.
I like the concept of For All Mankind, the visuals, the realistic progression of the technology, the movement forward on equality and society, but for me the melodrama was tedious to watch and I haven't seen any episodes passed season 4. The Expanse is top of the heap for me
And your seriously trying to say that The expanse doesn't have any melodramatic components in it You've got to be kidding me 😂😂😂 Have you even seen it whit your eyes open 😂😂
I imagine their "internet" is closer to what we had in the 80s and 90s. Honestly, direct dial bulletin boards and forums, with the addition of Usenet and d-mail is all the Internet we really ever needed
yeah, honestly having a restricted internet is probably for the best, there are very few upsides to unregulated, unfiltered social media like we have today, I dont even think the human brain, which evolved to handle social dynamics of maybe a couple hundred people max, can handle constant bombardment of hundreds of thousands of people's thoughts, opinions and politics.
I find FAM to be a great show and I absolutely would find this timeline to be much more interesting. I do also like some of nuggets that are dropped like having Thatcher die in an IRA attack, while Lennon survives his assassination attempt and goes on to have a Beatles reunion concert tour. I mean some of the stuff is unrealistic but the idea of more countries becoming like China and Vietnam that combine communist and free market ideas has proven to be a bit more effective then the command style that the USSR used. Whether the space program would have actually saved the USSR in the long term is a more complicated question but its a fascinating look at how a few things could rapidly alter the timeline. I also agree it seems to serve more as a prequel for The Expanse and the labor issues are interesting for me as a union official for my union because the labor strike was one of the most realistic events that probably will happen as private industry tries to make money in space.
I've heard it described as a "spiritual predecessor" to Star Trek as opposed to a literal one. Asking the question of how you get to the sort of universe depicted in those shows. There are some really strong nods to this, namely the increasingly warm ties between the US and USSR paralleling their implied quasi-merger in TOS (much more evident from interviews with those involved). Honestly my guess is this is largely why the USSR was kept around. My money is on something like that unfolding in the remaining 3 planned seasons - knowing RDM and hints dropped so far, probably the last season and with the long-rumored "Starship" as a focal point. But that's just my speculation.
You forgot to mention that in 1981 Poland goverment did not declared Martial Law, hence intervention of Soviets was needed. They took over county and with it all coal and steelworks production centers that was there, so economy and capabilities of producing more material for space flight was increased by large margin.
Great recap! Btw the staffer Ted Kennedy is caught with in this timeline was Mary Jo Kopechne, who was the woman who died in the car Kennedy drove off the bridge at Chappaquiddick in our timeline.
Seing the teaser (?) for season 5 makes me feel very weird. This is a first time in this series where I can see what the world could look like when I was a alive and concious of my existance
The first two seasons of this show is IMO objectively the most enjoyable SiFi-drama ever made. The latter two seasons are good but I don’t think reach the same heights. Something of note about the changes between our reality and the shows that I don’t believe you mentioned is that in the show NASA is allowed to generate revenue from the technologies it develops allowing it to be essentially self funded. As to the question, I don’t think that I would want to live in that universe however I do wish that the USA space program hadn’t been as deprioritized as it was in ours.
22:42 I know everything space related gets lumped in with Musk. However, the character "Dev Ayesa" has a lot more in common with "Steve Jobs" than Elon Musk. Which makes sense, since this series is made by Apple.
I would love to live in for all mankind world! For All Mankind and The Expanse are my favortie shows of all time, and although we lost The Expanse I hope For All Mankind keep making seasons well into the future! It might not be a prequel but it sure damn could be a spiritual successor.
Even though lack of technology was always given as the reason as 'why not...' it was always the lack of will. There was nothing we couldn't have done back then, it would have just been bulkier. We could build Babylon 5 right now if we came together as a race and got it done. There is nothing on that station we can't do right now.
1. thing you didn't mention was the soviets first allege um moon base that had a person on board it failed landing on the moon, and exploded. 2. its specifically mentioned about Chernobyl that it was prevented. in 1 of the preview videos. 3. season 2, Jamestown/moon had 3 different things ongoing, 1 the moon mining site tensions(the soviets didn't requizoned the usa ownership of it), 2 that usa was bring a nuke-power to the moon that was the soviets hardline, the soviets didn't know the usa already had a nuke-power on jamestown, 3. a defection of a cosmaunt which I felt was poorly done/explained. 3.5 the shooting at the moon mining site a simple fix to that would be That the mining site causing static so that's why the usa marines and soviets couldn't talk. 4. it was never explained if ED was still in the military in Season 3. 5. the pay for the workers on the mars base was so low/bad they should have been payed atleast 6-figrues most of them were making low 5-figrues 6. wish there was more of Wayne. he was a fan favorite. 7. the show runners/writers were surprised by the fans h*t*r*d/d*sl*k* of Karen so they k*ll*d her of in s3 she was supposed to be alive till s4-s5... 8. s3-s4 bad plot/doesn't make sense was Dannie's brother sentence of 10 years for his un-involment for the b*mb*ng........... 8.5 it was just the show writers way of writing him out.
It's utterly unbelievable. There is no way, even had the designer lived, that the N1 would have been anything other than a bomb on the launch pad. Period. I can't get enough suspension of disbelief to bother trying to watch that show.
15:53 How is this similar to SpaceX's Starship? SpaceX does not use hydogen, produced through electrolysis or otherwise, on any of their vehicles. Maybe you meant ULA's Delta IV Heavy, but I don't think they sourced their hydrogen from electrolysis. The histroical Sea Dragon concept also only used hydogen on the upper stage, so its more like a two stage version of Saturn V in terms of propellant composition.
I mean Dev seems to be an actually intelligent human being and not someone who relies exclusively on people interviewing him never asking hard questions so, yeah the parallels aren’t really that strong
It's not though. In the world of "The Expanse" the environmental damage is more in line with our current world. "For all Mankind" world the environmental damage had begun remediating by the mid oughts. If "The Expanse" had been based on the "For All Mankind" world we would be much further out and much more developed though out the solar system. That time line had Fusion drive ships running between Earth and Mars in the early 21st century when in "The Expanse" the Mars colony really hadn't even had the seeds of it planted till the mid or late 21st century.
Ed makes mention of Elon Musk in season 3, and presumably Tesla when talking about his rental electric Roadster but i don't think SpaceX exists in the universe
In our timeline, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism coincided with the fall of socialism. In the series, however, the USSR does not fail, and this would likely mean less religious extremism.
Some political developments in the show seem more sci-fi than nuclear fusion, nuclear drives or Mars colony in 2003, probably the greatest s-f show right now
Sorry I'm late to the party. For whatever reason, the first 3 seasons felt completely plausible and real. Yeah, there was some hand-waving with science/technology, and people made ridiculous bad decisions for the purpose of moving the story along...and there was some goofy political stuff, but it was fun. Ellen and Larry bearding each other all the way into the White House (as Republicans) only to enact "don't ask don't tell," and immediately repealing it was a highlight for me. Season 4 felt weird, though. The idea of a labor unrest on Mars was set up nicely, and made sense...but they had a $20 trillion discovery fall into their laps, and they had a way to start cashing in within 5 years. It already seemed weird for the likes of Poole, Tyler, and Hobson (given his background) to take a default union-busting position, but on top of that, there seemed to be zero Soviets at least amused by the workers seizing the means of production. I get that the point is that the Soviet Union (in the show and in real life) was basically a capitalist autocracy that calls it self "communist," but a lot of the characters were supposed to believe in the Marxist/Leninist philosophy. It all seemed like a wasted opportunity, both from a story perspective, and for the characters themselves. They could have had a pro-negotiation faction consisting of union-sympathizers, communist idealists, and pragmatic capitalists going up against a hardline "law & order" faction filled with capitalist hardliners, Soviet "patriots," and anti-union politicians. They could have relatively quickly (maybe even after a violent incident) worked out a deal similar to what Dev offered (which would make sense, given how much money would be available), and then the story could have focused on the future of Mars and space exploration...even ending the season with Margo & Aleida doing what they did. I'm guessing that stuff like this was bounced around the writers' room, and it didn't seem dramatic enough?
The artificial gravity, rotating part of the Helios spacecraft cannot be done in space as depicted in the film. If this rotating part is placed in the middle of the spaceship so that the two parts are equal in weight, then it can work. Otherwise this is a great series.
I never seen such a good show turn so absolutely ridiculous. From the point where Gordo and Tracy wrapped themselves in duct tape to go outside on the moon-on, the show became absolutely unbearable to watch. And, that really, really sucks bc up to that point I couldn’t stop watching it. How the writers could ruin such a good series, out of nowhere, is just beyond me. A damned shame smh
Is a great show. I just hate those pesky little details that mess with inmersion on the alternative timeline. I think if they ever need to sell DVDs a little post can solve much of it. I still recommend this show. Great space drama.
Dad talked out the Russians being first into space, the with a dog and lastly with a man and later a women, while the word seemly flounded, with failure after tradgety... We earnt the moon that hard way but having won, we gave up. What the show does is focuses on the race, sometimes loosing isnt being second, its not trying, giving up or focusing on the wrong thing like being first which while, well and good, isnt the same as exporation, discovery and advancements!
Greece being socialist in a timeline where the USSR remained stable hardly seems questionable, even in our real life timeline Greece has had several socialist parties get elected (though has never actually implemented real socialism)
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I would absolutely love to live in a timeline where we didn't abandon space exploration, so I'm there.
we're just gonna leapfrog at some point.
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In a world where the cold war focuses less on weapons development and is centered around space exploration and expoitation. We dont have stealth fighter technology but on the other hand have a manned base on mars......very difficult choice.
I also want to live in a fantasy 🥺
For All Mankind isn't alt history, it's a documentary from the real Prime Timeline and we're in the alt universe
It's a very underrated serie. One of the best shows to date.
It's not underrated, the viewership was solid until they started pushing social agendas into the script and eventually became repetitive.
@Dr.Kananga "Started pushing social agendas into the script" like...equality?? I will say that a lot of Ellen's storyline and the legalization of gay marriage in 2000 stretches suspension of disbelief, but it's also a glimpse into a world that could have been if progress weren't held back for decades
@@Dr.Kananga Didn't it always address social issues? In the first season a woman is landed on the moon, which pressures America to also begin training women, accelerating the women's rights movement, culminating in the Equal Rights Amendment being passed. That's all in season 1.
@@OrangeRiverI agree with that, but it felt so forced and crammed it became repetitive, the theme of space flight became just a background for a soap opera. This has been happening across several series across the board, and eventually removed the fun or interest from watching them.
@@esceri1 Which is fine, I never said it wasn't. But it's that kind of topic that goes along well when there's the right amount in it. Too much hot sauce ruins the dish.
My father is a retired Aerospace engineer. I knew I had to show him this as soon as the Corvette race in episode one started. We were both mesmerized by the possibilities and differences the show showed.
apple does a terrible job promoting its shows. I never knew this show existed, but now I want to watch it
A lot of these streaming services do a terrible job promoting their shows, sadly :/
Apple actually heavily advertises the show inside the Apple TV app... Not much, if at all, anywhere else. Presumably, they only care that existing subscribers are actually watching them... Not sure why they don't want to advertise out to get more subscribers...
@@OrangeRiver i would want to live in the world... if the internet wasnt privatized.
My favorite part of the show is the nuclear power. Like, they don't get all NIMBY and surprise surprise global warming is just solved like it's nothing.
If only it was that easy. Ok, let's start with now constant auroras aka northen lights visible not just in the north. Well, that is because of weakening of magnetic field. Why does it weakens? Does human print has to do anything with it? Absolutely zero! It weakens because it magnetic poles are shifting. It does frequently on this rock, with us or without us. When does it flip? Two major versions here : The internal magma dynamics (remnants of the planet earth swallowed 3 billion years ago is from time to time gets clumped and that most of the magnetic forces concentrates there and that shifts the magnetic poles) and galactic accretion sheet, through which our system is travelling now contains billions times more energetic particles that usual void and those particles supercharges the sun to cause frequent x-10 class flares as well as directly bypassing the heliosphere rushes straight to planet earth and our magnettosphere is nothing to those particles. So, how does going nuclear, which I am 100% supporter of, solves the "climate change" ?
@@demukazzWhat, so coincidently after the industrial revolution global temperature increases are just due to our solar system moving through a galactic accretion disc, our planets poles flipping, Oh, and also the earth core somehow “supercharging” the sun? Occam’s razor dude, we burn things, we make things hotter. Us using aerosol caused issues for our earth, after it was banned we saw no further ozone depletion. So clearly we impact our atmosphere more than the bs you are spouting off. Nuclear power would stop large scale carbon emissions, that is how it solves our climate crisis. Your “theories” are politically motivated, tell me who wins if carbon emissions aren’t the reason, tell me who wins if it is. What is it so “fake scientists” get more funding? Funding for what, their Bugattis? Are they kicking back margaritas on private yachts? No those are oil tycoonists you daft cow.
@@demukazzill answer what I think youre asking in two parts
Recently, weve had more G5 geomagnetic events because the sun is in a more active period.
And to answer how nuclear power will solve climate change, it wonf. It will significantly reduce emissions until a better solution is rolled out, while also being very cost effective. The emissions from nuclear are not zero, but compared to out current methods of power generation, they might as well be. Mass nuclear adoption would bring the "shits fucked" timer from 100 years or longer depending on scale of adoption, more than enough time to implement better long term solutions
@@demukazzThe flux from that is noting compared to regular radiative forcing or the fact that that solar irradiance has actually declined over the same time the temperature has increased
Thanks for doing this video on "For All Mankind". I've heard good things about the series.
@@bitter_one1336 "Malor Pagoda" is a wonderful Klingon opera.
It's not a soap opera in space. It has drama in which it follows characters lives which are important to the storyline. It's not an epic space show about aliens and space battles. It's grounded in realism and much of the show, despite being set in space, is in fact set in the past, by our perspective, 60s to 2000s and beyond.
One of the early changes in the characters of historical people was in how Mike Collins was portrayed during their version of Apollo 11. After the dicey landing, while Houston couldn't communicate with the LM, "For All Mankind" has Collins stating that he had gone over it with the mission planners before they left, and he was NOT coming home alone. They have him insisting that they either find Neil and Buzz, or they could say sayonara to the entire crew. Whereas, in real life, in his autobiography, Collins wrote of his actual perspective on the prospect -- that if Neil and Buzz failed to return from the landing attempt, "I am coming home, forthwith. But I will be a marked man for life, and I know it." To me, this was one of the biggest shifts in an historical character that the writers created. Later on in the series, altered events and the introduction of more fictional characters made such changes a lot rarer.
Too early to tell, but I dare say, that thumbnail switch was a good idea lol. Jokes aside, This seems like a super neat show that I may have to check out. Also, I like the fact that it's a longer video and that you were outside for some of it. I have no idea why that made me happy, but it did haha.
😂 Nice
It's a very interesting show if you'd enjoy a 'What if?' look at our history, if things had run on a slightly different trajectory and space exploration didn't fizzle out in the 70s and just charged ahead without stopping.
You forgot to add the Soviets never invade Afghanistan in ‘79 so Bin Laden doesn’t travel there to fight them. That combined with no ‘91 Gulf War means there’s no Al Qaeda/9-11. He’s probably just hanging out with his rich family in Saudi Arabia. The show does mention that there is a violent civil war in Saudi Arabia I think in the 2000’s.
I presume, the Jamestown mention in The Expanse is Naren Shankar's way to honor his friendship with Ron D Moore. Since, they are good friends since Star Trek days and they even tried to develop a TV show together after Star Trek and before BSG, Ron talked about this somewhere. And The Expanse is known for a lot of references for the pop cultural things they like.
I’ve been a NASA and sci-fi fan since the 1970s, and #forallmankind has become one of my all time favorite tv shows!
Great video! Seriously one of the best shows of the last 30 years. I'm pretty excited to see what happens in season 5. Word on the street is that Ron Moore wrote it as a 7 season arc. So fingers crossed!
Ok, for new ppl getting into the show it starts slow first season but wait it out. It gets so damn good.
It does start slow. For good or worse, it does linger a little in the early days of NASA (when compared to later seasons) perhaps a little longer than needed. But once the show finds it's feet, each season roughly follows a decade and time jumps between seasons and keeps things fresher and interesting as it goes on.
The world for all mankind would be so much greater if Worf was allowed to win poker games again.
Thank you Orange River for bringing this to our attention.
I remember an ad popping up for this and I was just about to skip it when I heard the word "Soviet" then I immediately backed away from the skip button and watched it.
And I'm glad I did! Because I love this show!!
Something I’m gonna mention because I’m in the middle of a rewatch of season four about in the middle of episode 9 Daniel Poole says that there are only 3 Star Trek shows, meaning they either stopped after DS9 or the accelerated rate of space development changed everything after TOS
I think the ones she was referring to were probably TOS, TAS, and Phase II, since according to Ronald D. Moore, Phase II got made in that universe. There was no Motion Picture, and Wrath of Khan was the first Trek film. I think all of the Berman era shows don't exist in that timeline :0
@@OrangeRiverthat is kind of unfortunate since DS9 is one of the best Star Trek shows of all time. A lot of the stories in DS9 simply wouldn't happen in For All Mankind. Terrorism that the Bajorans used wouldn't be as important a topic, it would be more 'hopefully" since Happy Valley, Jamestown, etc., exist. However, the loses to TV shows are nothing compared to the gains in FAM, so I would gladly take that.
FAM is one of the best sci-fi shows I've ever watched.
Great summary of the show so far. The points of early divergence were especially interesting.
can't wait to watch this!! I haven't finished the series but wow, S1 was awesome. S2 is really good so far.
Hell yes! Glad you're covering this show.
Very excellent work, as always! Many thanks - much appreciated!
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Thanks for all your hard work man!
This show is absolutely wonderful. It's the sort of niche sci-fi that appeals to this old Star Trek riddled brain, and I hope that Moore gets his 7 seasons.
The attention to detail is phenomenal, and im so glad that you've pointed out things I've never noticed before.
Im not sure if I'd want to live in that world, but I hope that we can achieve some of the things we've seen so far.
I like the concept of For All Mankind, the visuals, the realistic progression of the technology, the movement forward on equality and society, but for me the melodrama was tedious to watch and I haven't seen any episodes passed season 4. The Expanse is top of the heap for me
And your seriously trying to say that
The expanse doesn't have any melodramatic components in it
You've got to be kidding me 😂😂😂
Have you even seen it whit your eyes open 😂😂
@@yvindwestersund9720 lol indeed, most of the expanse is melodrama. I usually just skip those scenes to get to the space part :D
@@vololoo but one must say that what's not melodramatic is actually very good
I love this show, I'm so glad you are covering it.
Thanks for making this video. I really enjoyed binging this show and I’m happy they’re working on a new season!
I imagine their "internet" is closer to what we had in the 80s and 90s. Honestly, direct dial bulletin boards and forums, with the addition of Usenet and d-mail is all the Internet we really ever needed
yeah, honestly having a restricted internet is probably for the best, there are very few upsides to unregulated, unfiltered social media like we have today, I dont even think the human brain, which evolved to handle social dynamics of maybe a couple hundred people max, can handle constant bombardment of hundreds of thousands of people's thoughts, opinions and politics.
I’d give up Instagram and TikTok for space colonization and a future. Most people only use the internet to argue anyway
Thanks!
Thank you!
I find FAM to be a great show and I absolutely would find this timeline to be much more interesting. I do also like some of nuggets that are dropped like having Thatcher die in an IRA attack, while Lennon survives his assassination attempt and goes on to have a Beatles reunion concert tour. I mean some of the stuff is unrealistic but the idea of more countries becoming like China and Vietnam that combine communist and free market ideas has proven to be a bit more effective then the command style that the USSR used. Whether the space program would have actually saved the USSR in the long term is a more complicated question but its a fascinating look at how a few things could rapidly alter the timeline. I also agree it seems to serve more as a prequel for The Expanse and the labor issues are interesting for me as a union official for my union because the labor strike was one of the most realistic events that probably will happen as private industry tries to make money in space.
I've never seen this show, and only started watching this vid but I'm already wishing i lived in that universe if the ra got thatcher
15:50 , small correction but Starship uses methane no Hydrogen
Phoenix from the show uses methane, so there could have been a mix up, since both are spacecraft owned and operated by private company.
Great video. FAM is easily up there with the best sci-fi shows of this century.
I've heard it described as a "spiritual predecessor" to Star Trek as opposed to a literal one. Asking the question of how you get to the sort of universe depicted in those shows.
There are some really strong nods to this, namely the increasingly warm ties between the US and USSR paralleling their implied quasi-merger in TOS (much more evident from interviews with those involved). Honestly my guess is this is largely why the USSR was kept around. My money is on something like that unfolding in the remaining 3 planned seasons - knowing RDM and hints dropped so far, probably the last season and with the long-rumored "Starship" as a focal point. But that's just my speculation.
You forgot to mention that in 1981 Poland goverment did not declared Martial Law, hence intervention of Soviets was needed. They took over county and with it all coal and steelworks production centers that was there, so economy and capabilities of producing more material for space flight was increased by large margin.
In THIS show's timeline a LOT of things happen differently...and I'd likely have gone to work for a private space company! I like it there!
Glad to see more reviews of this Alt History Sci-Fi/Drama
Great video. I don't think the series could work as a star trek prequel as Danny mentions the tv show and ensuring her grandson will be a trekkie.
Great video. I don't like supporting Apple, but I might get this service just to watch this series.
Great recap! Btw the staffer Ted Kennedy is caught with in this timeline was Mary Jo Kopechne, who was the woman who died in the car Kennedy drove off the bridge at Chappaquiddick in our timeline.
Seing the teaser (?) for season 5 makes me feel very weird. This is a first time in this series where I can see what the world could look like when I was a alive and concious of my existance
FAM sounds rather like an alternate history story I read over a decade ago.
I hope they are involved in the show.
The first two seasons of this show is IMO objectively the most enjoyable SiFi-drama ever made. The latter two seasons are good but I don’t think reach the same heights. Something of note about the changes between our reality and the shows that I don’t believe you mentioned is that in the show NASA is allowed to generate revenue from the technologies it develops allowing it to be essentially self funded. As to the question, I don’t think that I would want to live in that universe however I do wish that the USA space program hadn’t been as deprioritized as it was in ours.
I never knew this show existed. GG Apple, just keep this stuff a secret.
It's great- check it out. Great musical drops too.
I bloody love For All Mankind!!!
I like to live in for all mankind.
22:42
I know everything space related gets lumped in with Musk.
However, the character "Dev Ayesa" has a lot more in common with "Steve Jobs" than Elon Musk.
Which makes sense, since this series is made by Apple.
Love this show
I would love to live in for all mankind world! For All Mankind and The Expanse are my favortie shows of all time, and although we lost The Expanse I hope For All Mankind keep making seasons well into the future! It might not be a prequel but it sure damn could be a spiritual successor.
Hi Bob.
Even though lack of technology was always given as the reason as 'why not...' it was always the lack of will. There was nothing we couldn't have done back then, it would have just been bulkier.
We could build Babylon 5 right now if we came together as a race and got it done. There is nothing on that station we can't do right now.
Bought the first season and now I'm HOOKED!!!
1. thing you didn't mention was the soviets first allege um moon base that had a person on board it failed landing on the moon, and exploded.
2. its specifically mentioned about Chernobyl that it was prevented. in 1 of the preview videos.
3. season 2, Jamestown/moon had 3 different things ongoing, 1 the moon mining site tensions(the soviets didn't requizoned the usa ownership of it), 2 that usa was bring a nuke-power to the moon that was the soviets hardline, the soviets didn't know the usa already had a nuke-power on jamestown, 3. a defection of a cosmaunt which I felt was poorly done/explained. 3.5 the shooting at the moon mining site a simple fix to that would be That the mining site causing static so that's why the usa marines and soviets couldn't talk.
4. it was never explained if ED was still in the military in Season 3.
5. the pay for the workers on the mars base was so low/bad they should have been payed atleast 6-figrues most of them were making low 5-figrues
6. wish there was more of Wayne. he was a fan favorite.
7. the show runners/writers were surprised by the fans h*t*r*d/d*sl*k* of Karen so they k*ll*d her of in s3 she was supposed to be alive till s4-s5...
8. s3-s4 bad plot/doesn't make sense was Dannie's brother sentence of 10 years for his un-involment for the b*mb*ng........... 8.5 it was just the show writers way of writing him out.
It's utterly unbelievable. There is no way, even had the designer lived, that the N1 would have been anything other than a bomb on the launch pad. Period. I can't get enough suspension of disbelief to bother trying to watch that show.
Agreed. The depiction of science, geopolitics and economics are just too facile for me to be able to suspend disbelief.
Absolutely Love this show!
The For all Mankind easter egg in The Expanse more has to do with the Expanse showrunner being a writer for season 1 of FAM.
That's really helpful. :) (I've only gotten to see scattered episodes at a friend's house so it's a little hard to keep up. :) )
"We come in peace for all mankind" ... in the middle of a cold war pissing contense
So you’re ridiculing him for elevating a massive scientific breakthrough beyond said “pissing contest”?
LET'S GET STARTED!@!!!@!@!@!
Should be on his Tshirts.
I love this channel.
I gotta watch this.
It's a Mobile Suit Gundam prequel guys
😂
I wonder if South Africa continued it's initial space program in the show universe
Hi Bob
The FAM timeline is so advanced they got eight years of Reagan over with by 1984 😂
LMFAO
15:53 How is this similar to SpaceX's Starship? SpaceX does not use hydogen, produced through electrolysis or otherwise, on any of their vehicles. Maybe you meant ULA's Delta IV Heavy, but I don't think they sourced their hydrogen from electrolysis. The histroical Sea Dragon concept also only used hydogen on the upper stage, so its more like a two stage version of Saturn V in terms of propellant composition.
Love that show!
3:39 is that the chime of a Go train I can hear?
As someone watching the show for the first time with my gfs, and we haven't yet gotten past Season 2 Episode 2, thanks for the spoiler warning!
I mean Dev seems to be an actually intelligent human being and not someone who relies exclusively on people interviewing him never asking hard questions so, yeah the parallels aren’t really that strong
😂 This is very true
Dev is literally a brilliant, successful physicist, whereas the "other guy" is more of a classic "fake it till you make it type"
I Would Say that "For All Mankind" be "Unofficial Prequel" to The Awesome "The Expanse" xd
Wait till the end for my thoughts on that :D
It's not though. In the world of "The Expanse" the environmental damage is more in line with our current world. "For all Mankind" world the environmental damage had begun remediating by the mid oughts. If "The Expanse" had been based on the "For All Mankind" world we would be much further out and much more developed though out the solar system. That time line had Fusion drive ships running between Earth and Mars in the early 21st century when in "The Expanse" the Mars colony really hadn't even had the seeds of it planted till the mid or late 21st century.
that would be a really fun connection if they could make it work haha
@cowsagainstcapitalism347 The MCU broke people's brains and now everything has to be connected XD
I’ve had that thought since season 2, personally FAM is the best sci-fi on tv right now.
This seems more like a time travelers check list then a show recap.
? I mean, videos like these are always lore breakdowns and examinations of alternate worlds. I try explicitly NOT to make them just "show recaps"
@@OrangeRiver I meant it as a compliment.
@iindium49 Fair enough 👍👍
And a day talk lasted between 1994-2003
The Beatles get back together in 1975. I'm all in.
Ed makes mention of Elon Musk in season 3, and presumably Tesla when talking about his rental electric Roadster but i don't think SpaceX exists in the universe
You forgot the civil war in Saudi Arabia in the early 2000s. (Said in passing at NASA in season 4.)
In our timeline, the rise of Islamic fundamentalism coincided with the fall of socialism. In the series, however, the USSR does not fail, and this would likely mean less religious extremism.
I love this show.
I think Naren Shankar works on both shows, FAM and The Expanse
Some political developments in the show seem more sci-fi than nuclear fusion, nuclear drives or Mars colony in 2003, probably the greatest s-f show right now
Greece and Turkey are now members of the Warsaw Pact
It's the Star Trek prequel you never knew you wanted.
Maybe mirror universe prequel especially with what went down in the last season. Ron Moore did work on Trek.
YES!
Sorry I'm late to the party. For whatever reason, the first 3 seasons felt completely plausible and real. Yeah, there was some hand-waving with science/technology, and people made ridiculous bad decisions for the purpose of moving the story along...and there was some goofy political stuff, but it was fun. Ellen and Larry bearding each other all the way into the White House (as Republicans) only to enact "don't ask don't tell," and immediately repealing it was a highlight for me.
Season 4 felt weird, though. The idea of a labor unrest on Mars was set up nicely, and made sense...but they had a $20 trillion discovery fall into their laps, and they had a way to start cashing in within 5 years. It already seemed weird for the likes of Poole, Tyler, and Hobson (given his background) to take a default union-busting position, but on top of that, there seemed to be zero Soviets at least amused by the workers seizing the means of production. I get that the point is that the Soviet Union (in the show and in real life) was basically a capitalist autocracy that calls it self "communist," but a lot of the characters were supposed to believe in the Marxist/Leninist philosophy.
It all seemed like a wasted opportunity, both from a story perspective, and for the characters themselves. They could have had a pro-negotiation faction consisting of union-sympathizers, communist idealists, and pragmatic capitalists going up against a hardline "law & order" faction filled with capitalist hardliners, Soviet "patriots," and anti-union politicians. They could have relatively quickly (maybe even after a violent incident) worked out a deal similar to what Dev offered (which would make sense, given how much money would be available), and then the story could have focused on the future of Mars and space exploration...even ending the season with Margo & Aleida doing what they did.
I'm guessing that stuff like this was bounced around the writers' room, and it didn't seem dramatic enough?
Hi, Bob.
The major reason i keep my apple sub. I can only access it on my pc and living room smart tv lol. I like space dramas, so im biased af.
I could certainly see it as a prequel to "The Expanse" but not Star Trek...well, in the mirror universe perhaps. OK, now I'm confused
That explains why the piles regolith and I can’t wait for star city
The artificial gravity, rotating part of the Helios spacecraft cannot be done in space as depicted in the film. If this rotating part is placed in the middle of the spaceship so that the two parts are equal in weight, then it can work. Otherwise this is a great series.
What 'For All Mankind' needs is MUCH more Jodi Balfour. 👩❤️👩
I never seen such a good show turn so absolutely ridiculous. From the point where Gordo and Tracy wrapped themselves in duct tape to go outside on the moon-on, the show became absolutely unbearable to watch. And, that really, really sucks bc up to that point I couldn’t stop watching it. How the writers could ruin such a good series, out of nowhere, is just beyond me. A damned shame smh
I would rather live in the For All Mankind universe. No climate change? A settlement on Mars? A female president? I’m in.
Is a great show. I just hate those pesky little details that mess with inmersion on the alternative timeline. I think if they ever need to sell DVDs a little post can solve much of it.
I still recommend this show. Great space drama.
Dad talked out the Russians being first into space, the with a dog and lastly with a man and later a women, while the word seemly flounded, with failure after tradgety... We earnt the moon that hard way but having won, we gave up. What the show does is focuses on the race, sometimes loosing isnt being second, its not trying, giving up or focusing on the wrong thing like being first which while, well and good, isnt the same as exporation, discovery and advancements!
I think originally he was supposed to be Thomas Schaffer but he’s a state said no
CyberEd. I still believe.
Its a Star Trek prequel... or The Expanse prequel. It works for both😁
...not really, which is why I make an argument against both at the end of my video 😅
Very close to our reality, For All Mankind is the most realistic scifi ever produced in my opinion.
I liked the series
Greece being socialist in a timeline where the USSR remained stable hardly seems questionable, even in our real life timeline Greece has had several socialist parties get elected (though has never actually implemented real socialism)