I liked how they brought up the first Mars Thanksgiving as an example of everyone working together considering how that actually turned out. Let me know where you think things are going next. Timeline video should be out soon, I've just got a couple of years to finish.
yeah, I assume they are doing something similar to the coup attempt in 91 but as I mentioned in the video I don't know how that will play out in the show's timeline.
That sequence with Gorrillaz’s Clint Eastwood with the split screen where they actually cross paths was fantastic. Was not expecting that song also, love it
I love how they continued Dani Poole's love for Star Trek by para-quoting Jean-Luc Picard by saying "Make it so, XO" to Picard's "Make it so, Number One"
I can't take Ed's old man look serious at all, I laugh every time he's on screen. Sam Massey's character is great, I love that she referenced Parker from the first episode since he truly did feel forgotten.
There were some moments in this episode where it actually didn't look that bad. A bit like Michael Douglas. I think the lighting is more the issue than the make-up.
Honestly, I couldn’t either for quite a bit of the episode, to the point I kept looking away. I find it weird because I had no problem with it in 4.01. Usually make up gets better as we progress into the season, not worse. Hopefully, they will do a better job in the next episode.
The makeup department is the one area this show is really lacking imo. Consistent linear aging with each decade is something they have struggled with. And they’re still not really aging their faces enough. It leaves the characters in this weird age-ambiguous place.
The balding-receding-hairline wig they’ve plastered/glued to his natural head of hair is so tight…did you notice that his forehead wrinkles stop where the bald-receding-hairline is glued on? It’s such a poor job! Terrible. And because he probably hasn’t been forced to shave his own head bald, the fake hair we see is piled on top of his natural hair, giving his head an alien shape. 👽 I’m very turned off by it. Someone’s head should roll in the makeup dept. Seriously.
i am willing to bet that ed is gonna do some insensitive shit again and insult the lower decks, thereby provoking an actual mutiny. the first planet we colonise and some white man is gonna cause a class conflict within 8 years xD what's interesting is how the NK contingent would react to such a mutiny. will they join them? stay neutral? or backstab both sides for some opportunistic gain?
*That ending.* I was on the edge of my seat dreading the possibility of anything happening to Margo. Goddamn it For All Mankind, your cliffhanger endings are agonizing.
@@Andy-te1mw I think it's a takeover by the hardliners in the Communist Party, which has been heavily foreshadowed since Sergei said in Season 3 that not even Gorby can control the KGB.
i nearly forgot that aleida's reluctance to speak to a therapist... might have more to do with her knowledge of margo's "treason" than just her apparent death during the blast. margo was essentially her work mommy and a beacon of hope for aleida; she must've spent the last 8 years wondering why margo would commit treason and that is probably the cause of her anxiety/depression.
I have PTSD and have been through a lot of therapy. Every time I go to a new therapist they want to go through all your history, and frankly it's re-traumatising. I can see that being incentive enough not to go. But yeah, she might also be wanting to keep Margo a secret (although it's not clear if Aleida thinks Margo is dead or clearly a traitor).
@@eden20111yea i didn't phrase it super well... but i meant that BOTH margo's "traitorous actions" AND margo's "death in the blast" were contributing factors to aleida's reluctance to seek therapy (probably). margo's like aleida's work mom, so it would be agonising to go to therapy about margo's death while she has to hide the secret of margo's apparent treason too. latest ep with her and the retired engineer dude spells this out a bit more clearly i think.
11:28 - in the real history event, Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake was aired on the Soviet Union television on August 19, 1991 marking an important political event being a coup against Mikhail Gorbachev.
I really enjoyed this episode more than the last, As much as I do miss the idealism of the early seasons the emphasis on a post 2000's corporate drudgery is kind of a cool direction and the acting of Miles feels like a step up compared to some less than acting last season (Danny Stevens and his brother) And also really liked the side by side montage of Miles and Danielle felt kinda like better call saul inspired
The difference between the astronauts and the workers reminded me of the 90s when I was a regular worker at McDonnell Douglas. Every morning coming into work in the hallway to my ground level office area I would pass Pete Conrad, McDonnell Douglas Vice President and 3d man on the Moon. I never felt comfortable enough to ever say anything to him. I'd just pass and nod. I was a lowly worker and he was a famous astronaut who's office was on the top floor.
When the Helios Crew Manager used the "script" instead of "Pay" or "Cash/Money" it signalled that HappyValley was a 'Company Town' for the Workers and they would be exploited by Helios similar to how Mine+Factory workers where exploited by Robber Barons in Guilded Age. The depressed economic condition of the USSR doesnt line up though as the Show made the point that Gorbachevs reforms had brought an era of economic prosperity for USSR. Instead the show is presenting Moscow in a similar depressed economic condition to what it was in the real world when Gorbachev and USSR was overthrown by Yeltsin.
While I understand pausing Kelly's program to search for life what I don't understand why they don't just pivot her research to scan for rare earth metals or other minable materials because lava tubes are excellent locations to find those materials and is much cheaper and safer to mine then a asteroid.
Because she is a biologist. Moving it to what you say would mean taking their project away from her and adjusting it for other goals within other department. It would be even worse for her, it would actually mean the death of the project. In the show, currently, they just put it on hold to reallocate funds to other projects, not killing hers in the process. And it happens, more than you'd think. The project is still hers, everything stays as it is, they are just postponing the launch. She gets her salary, other biologists and engineers get to keep their jobs, their labs etc. They just put a pin in the project and start realizing the next one in line. If they just came and said they are moving it to mineral survey instead, it would mean the entire different department takes over, their project is killed and most likely some are losing their jobs. Because, again, they are mostly biologists in her team, they don't have anything to do on a mineral survey mission. The very important thing is you used the correct term, paused, not canceled. If she actually takes her project and go private, it would be a massively stupid move in the story and not something that could actually happen. Project is NOT hers, it is NASA's, and she is just a head of it. You can't simply take a project from NASA because you are not satisfied and go private with it. But I am sensing they are going to exactly that. In-world consistency and realism never stopped them before, why would it stop them now...
@@Wustenfuchs109 Well realistically her robot wouldn't be designed to only have biological sensors on it they would have included other sensors to search for other things so the situation still ends up being a poor writing choice for the sake of adding drama.
@@mighthealMaybe, maybe not, we don't know the scope of the mission for that robot. Maybe it needs all that could be packed in it for that biology mission. But overall, I agree on the writing point - and I have said many times myself since Season 2 - poor writing choices for the sake of adding drama. Season 2 was absolutely the worst in that regard, even contradicting their own writing from one episode to the other, sometimes even within the single episode. But yeah, it is pretty much a standard in For All Mankind by this point.
I was surprised that Aleida's mobile looks very 2003. With the iPod showing up a decade earlier and versions of iPads around, i would have thought smart phones (remember, iPhone came out in 2007) would already be all over the place by 2003 in this timeline... actually thought the one teen (forgot who brought their kid to work day previous episode) was playing on a smart phone, but maybe just played snake on his Nokia ... :) Keep up the great reviews, always looking forward to those
There wouldn't be any good reason for Smartphones in this time line. Smartphones need the internet to really function and in this timeline the internet is private.
@@mattstorm360 interesting, was not aware of that. I thought with d-mail and vidmail it was around, but makes sense that it would be very different if it was kept private
Sad thing about going to Mars only to be underground is a similar experience of people in an Aircraft carrier for months but rarely even get to see the sea.
Yes, except that, for a correct analogy, the said carrier would need to be in the middle of the storm. Martian surface is blasted with radiation, you are more likely to be harmed due to dust or accidental decompression on the surface level than down under. If I was ever in a situation like that, I'd choose to go as far down as possible, make as large of a distance between myself and the one of the most hostile environments as possible. I think my desire to survive, and be healthy at the end of it, would be more important to me than looking at the surface (radiation blasted wasteland) all the time. See it from time to time? Sure. And they did and probably will again. But not all the time, thank you. I'd rather burrow down and put a dozen meters of soil as well as several hermetic doors between myself and Martian surface.
@@Wustenfuchs109 -- If you went to Mars with the intention of hunkering below ground and working just for the pay, then it would be great. If you went to Mars to work above ground, to view it and walk around on the surface, then it would seriously suck to be relegated to living as a human mole.
@@Wustenfuchs109 OK it is too weird to realize this as it is not obvious, a supercarrier can have more than 5000 people on board with few windows, and the upper area is dedicated to flight operations. Most people have to make special appointments to look outside.
This season seems to really follow the second season’s pattern where we see a lot of character stuff and a lot of setting up and for there to be a pay off later on.
Looks like some trouble is breweing with the Helios work crews "Below decks" Seriously seems like theres a good chance of some kind of strike or workers revolt. Excited for what happens next.
I got some serious Eloi and Morlock vibes from Happy Valley. It's only reinforced when Ed rants about how hard it is being on Mars... While he's eating an artisanal hand made farm to table meal under a skylight next to an apple tree. It's a scrawny half dead apple tree but it's a lot more than the shower mildew the basement dwellers get.
@@Hevach lol and they have the nerve to charge them for barely edible crap, nice to see in this timeline reality US style late stage neo-feudal capitalism made it to other worlds 🤣 I guess it's a distinct possibility if the likes of Musk and Bezos or the Koch brothers are involved colonising the solar system in the future.
I think what it's leading up to is the lower decks unionizing. But not before strike action and some, probably violent reaction from the upper brass, with Danelle needing choose how to respond
The ending has me so on edge. What the hell happened? Did the Soviet Union collapse like it did in our timeline, just 13 years later? I doubt that because of how well it was doing under Gorbatschow, not at all like in our timeline. So I guess there was a coup. Remember Sergei said last episode how Gorbatschow had lost control of the KGB. I always assumed this would come into play again. What is the goal here? Turn the USSR back to its totalitarian roots? Oh boy, how will this renewed tension affect Happy Valley? "Cold War is over" my ass.
It is most likely a hardliner coup, a callback to historical event in 1991 where Soviet hardliners (communist old guard) tried to take over from the modern pro-democracy politicians in power. Also, ballet/classical music on Soviet tv and radio were a standard practice when ever there was a large political or general problem/disaster within the country. It is done because news agencies didn't know what to report, there were no clear instructions from the government until the dust settled, so they would just play ballet/classical music until orders filtered down on what to report. In the show, at the start of season 4, we see that certain politicians in USSR are critiquing Gorbachev for "weak political decisions" and "being too friendly towards USA". Also, in the show itself, Soviet citizens clearly know what is going on because they ask "Where is Gorbachev?! What have you done?!". So I am 95% sure that it is their version of 1991 Soviet coup attempt where Soviet hardliners tried to take over, they placed Gorbachev in house arrest and Yeltsin let citizens of Moscow against the military and hardliners. Army refused to shoot on the citizens and coup attempt was defeated. But USSR fell soon after as Gorbachev lost all credibility while pro-nationalist Yeltsin became very prominent. In less than a year, USSR broke apart. What will happen in the show, will the hard liners win, I guess we will see in the next few episodes. But I guess that is exactly why that mysterious woman told Margo to quiet down and wait, as soon big things will happen. Meaning, if she knew about it, she was the part of the coup (or at least knew about it) and the new government will be more sympathetic to Margo. And Margo was aligned more with the hard line clique of the USSR.
There were some things that were real head scratchers for me, in this episode. Upstairs-downstairs conflict? Morale problems? Misleading some workers on what life, and pay would be like. This seems like a dangerous situation to have, out in space. Bandwidth problems, when everything is queued (email, attachments), given the Earth-Mars delay? It's not like one is dealing with real-time communications. Though I remember back in 2003, cable and DSL were considered an upgrade from dial-up. There were some latency problems. I suppose this is a metaphor for the time.
I did notice the lack of acknowledgement for Tom Parker, but initially thought it was the writers viewing him as expendable as opposed to this "upstairs/downstairs" dynamic. Then I was so sure this season was going to be about a rebellion of the have-nots before Danielle made a point to address the low morale. That may still happen, but it would be a lot more complex, so now I really don't know what to expect from this season.
There was a similar thing happening. The funeral of the Stevens with all pomp and circumstances, and no mention of the other people who died on the moon.
@@claudiaroedel1368 Well that was different in that the Stevens were the ones who sacrificed themselves to fix the reactor while everyone else was killed in the shootout that damaged the reactor in the first place.
Historically the Soviet communist hardliners/the KGB attempted a coup against the civilian government in 1991 because of the ongoing perestroika liberalization reforms being made under Gorbachev. In our reality the coup only just failed and the Soviet Union ended while the Russian Federation began. In the show it seems the coup succeeds.
Maybe Gorbachev was assassinated and the next person in charge is trying to bring back the old Stalinist type Soviet Union, which is obviously not going to go well.
In 1991 during the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian TV played Swan Lake on all channels on loop. Apparently in this timeline it’s been delayed by 12 years. Will it play out the same way given the Russian people have had a longer period of Gorbachev’s glasnost/perestroika or will we see the rise of Putin and the oligarchs that they have now?
@@jb94103 We’ve already seen in the first episode that the Russian people have already become used to living in more open economy, the men at the newsstand complaining about the rising taxes, yet agreeing they wouldn’t want to go back to the way it was before. This episode again at the newsstand people are standing up to the police in mass, something they wouldn’t have done pre-Gorbachev reforms.
Hope it isn't the case that the writers have read the Mars trilogy and are trying to turn Ed into a the Phyllis Boyle of this show 😂 Can see the setup for season 5 now, massive lifespan extensions, the mars space elevator sabotaged and a revolution...
What the episode lacked in action it made up for in very necessary character moments and setups. I now feel like the season has a trajectory. Yeah it was a bit in your face but that it is kinda what it needs to be. If at the end of this episode we would be like "Hm, I wonder if there is maybe a bit of a class divide in Happy Valley, I dunno, just a theory" then the writers hadn't done their job. Yes, clearly there is. Moving on. I wonder if this is all leading to a worker's strike on Mars. Last episode showed a newspaper article about a moon strike, so that might have been forshadowing. It's not even the first time this happened. A strike on Mars could be really interesting, especially with actual communists involved.
Easy to deal with a strike on Mars, cut the air supply until the worker drones comply. Which is why I dread the exploration of space and establishment of off world colonies being lead by narcissistic reactionary autocrats such as Musk and Bezos who wouldn't hesitate for a moment to use these sort of tactics.
This is a better start so far than I saw in Seasons 2 and 3. I stopped watching this series when, out of nowhere, the North Korean cosmonaut showed up on Mars in Season 3. There was no support for this either in the real world or in Moore's alternative world, and this was on top of the unlikely-verging-impossible shootouts on the Moon in Season 2 and the impossibly large Helios station in Season 3. The series really went down the tubes in Season 3, but is picking up now, with at least plausible events.
There was no support for this either in the real world or in Moore's alternative world. This is not correct. The NK mission is actually referred to earlier in Season 3. NASA mistakenly thought the mission was unmanned, but later surmised that the capsule refueled in earth orbit, and was thus capable of carrying humans as far as Mars. We've had the technology to send a man (or woman) to Mars for decades. Bringing them home - not so mich.
@@paulkerrigan4051 What was unplausible was that it was very very unlikely that the ship would have survived the crash landing enough for him to be able to breath for as long as he did. The ship would have lots of leaks and he would have suffocated within the day of the crash.
Hi @@paulkerrigan4051 Thank you for the correction! Nevertheless, I didn't much like Season 3, and to this day I have not watched the episodes after the North Korean was shown eating his canned sardines or whatever it was. This was an EXCELLENT, must-watch show in Season 1, but the writing and research really deteriorated in Season 2, with a lot of scientific and political unlikelihoods/impossibilities. I'm hoping they're back on track for this season.
Welcome back, friend. We'll have to agree to disagree on Season 3, which I thought was excellent. The only parts that I found tedious were the scenes dealing with President Wilson's political problems....@@AncientNovelist
Dani proved again why she is one of my favorite characters. And SHOCKED Ed comes across as less helpful. Margo should know that the baker is always right. I do like the new Lower Deckers to borrow a phrase from Star Trek. I also like Eli. He makes me think of Thomas Paine. Cares about NASA and tries to game the system to do the best he can. Aleida and Kelly make an interesting pair. Slowly getting caught up to you.
On mars I think we might see union talk with the down stairs workers organising. Maybe this new guy will e Mars first union leader, having the first strike in mars would be interesting to see.
@@paulkerrigan4051 If I remember correctly there was also a news report in the background one scene saying the strike was still going on in the first episode.
This show has so much potential and then it’s just so much drama and logical flaws. Oh yes a private firm would cut corners,yes workers would allow for living like crap, but even private firms would understand that if they aint paid good, don’t live good and don’t get good food there will be a rebellion. But do you know who knows that? Writers. They know. But this is too early. This is not a Mars colony with 1 million people where people get lost and forgotten. This is yet an other soap opera plot point to get some drama into series which you don’t need it just need more science for goodness sake. Soon as Baldwin unknown brother will enter the station.
Aleida and Kelly --> go to the new Dev Ayesa robot company Happy Valley --> some kind of eventual war between the crew and astronauts, maybe the take control of the base Soviet Union -> Hardliners coup, maybe Margo somehow ends in Star City
You need to realize that astronauts, cosmonauts, scientists and pilots - are all serving with their national space agencies. Those workers are Helios, a private for-profit company. I know the show will try to push it as us vs them, but it really has no business being here. NASA deals with their own resources, their own astronauts etc. Helios deals with their workers as they see fit. Helios is subcontracted by NASA and other agencies to do a certain job, and they accept it for money. How they organize later, not up to NASA or anyone else. NASA pays, NASA wants a certain job done for that price. Helios then decides what to do and how will they fulfill that contract.
@@Wustenfuchs109 -- You've reasoned like every crappy selfishly driven manager does. As a Director of Operations, I made it my business to root out managerial staff with that mentality, as they invariably poison morale, thereby compromising productivity. It's the people who determine the success or failure of any operation and those with inflated egos eventually bring any well oiled operation crashing down. Ed's proven himself to be a sh*tty XO-- he's always been selfish to his core. Those he considers to be on his level are treated the way HE wants to be treated and everyone else gets the dredges. He's an emotional coward hiding out on Mars. Danielle's not a crappy Commander/manager-- she never was. She recognized the unfairness rooted deeply in Happy Valley immediately and began to work at correcting that imbalance. Those "astronauts, cosmonauts, scientists and pilots" are dependent on the grunts to keep Happy Valley operational. If they've forgotten that, they deserve to be treated to a harsh reality check and likely will be.
Theory: Massive Russian Turmoil. President Gore calls on Ellen to go to Russia and serve as an envoy. She sees Margot somehow we end up with a stalemate conflict but less nuclear-y than what we got at the end of season 2. The actions on Mars make it better/worse but there is a happy(enough) ending. Ed has a resolution of a sort, being the first in something, and leaves Mars finally to die an old man at home in his bed.
I agree. They HAVE to know. She's walking the streets of Moscow - even in the worst years of the civil war, there were plenty of Americans in Russia - diplomats, business people, tourists. Someone would have seen her! Eventually, this will be addressed by the show.@@cbspock1701
Pretty sure Danny is buried in the red dust or in that North Korean bunker room. My weirdly dark sneaking theory with her is that the CIA/DOD turned her as a double agent and she's in Russia for such a reason.
@@pyroslev that would be pretty cool, but also probably wouldn't happen. I mean CIA or the DOD have no reason to trust Margo after she had been leaking info from NASA to their enemy.
Happy Valley reminiscent of the Coal Miners in Appalachia. Company stores. Company scrip. Workers being nickled and dimed at every turn. Capitalism at its finest.
A thing from Soviet times, whenever Swan Lake was on the TV, things had gone to SH*T, in out timeline Putin was already in power, I think Putin may have offered Gorbachev.
Im sure Margo is getting caught up in the fall of the USSR, the workers in the lower levels are probably going to strike and I see Alesia and Kelly look like they’re about to create a new civilian space agency. I see Danielle and Ed having some kind of falling out too.
I have a feeling and yes im not sure if im the only one making this rumour up but i think that Margo and alita are going to talk again and that Margo's friend who she helped escape is plotting for a way to save margo since she went missing only now after this episode it is about to be more obvious.
I am not so sure. The main point of For All Mankind is in the name itself - any crisis that they write about ends up with a season finale where they all join together to solve it. It is very positive story, all things considered. So it is closer to ideas of Star Trek in that regard and all of humanity going forward, together, than Expanse with their realistic factionalism.
Looked it up on Wikipedia and read the plot of the book. Apparently, aliens are traveling to conquer earth but won't be here for 450 years...... yeah, you got that, 450 years so don't bother setting your alarm clock! My brain slowly started to wander, then loss of interest...isn't it nap time. The story is so insane, I could barely stand to finish reading the plot line. My mind just checked out on this one and I don't see how this could be turned into a series. In any case, I don't see myself as a viewer.
From reddit: Production error? Cars say "Militia", uniforms say "Police". They seem to have used current Russian uniforms (even though these scenes are shot in Sofia, Bulgaria), even worse - they seem to have made those uniforms specifically for the show (the font seems to be different)
Im glad everyone loves this episode. I dont like this season so far. It may be the end for this show after this season. U stopped watching mid way through first episode. More feelings, back story and filler than it needs. Just my opinion. However, i watch each recap you post. Thanks. I will only watch show after watching your recap videos for a good episode to watch. Again. Thanks and keep up the excellent work
My prediction for the Mars storyline is that there will be a workers strike (or even uprising) by the Helios crew (because classism) and there will be some plotpoint that has to do with communism (a Russian cosmonaut tells Milles about a crazy idea called communism and how everyone is equal) …
USSR is cracking apart. Ballet was played the day it happened. This is an obvious hint at it happening in the show as well. Interesting to see how it will affect the future of space exploration without the soviets. Is Putin coming to power and starting wars in Chechnya and Ukraine? Russia planned to occupy Ukraine since the dissolution of the USSR, but wars in Chechnya have postponed these plans until 2014. Very interesting.
This was also kind of similar to what happened during Chernobyl. All the radio stations started playing classical music And the TV station started playing nothing but ballet or something mundane. I had a friend that lived in the Soviet Union during that time and he said whenever that happened You knew... Life was about to change.
Probably the opposite and the communist die-hards succeed in the coup and the Soviet Union is preserved and instead begins to behave more antagonistically toward the US once again.
in real life, the USSR collapsed in 1991 due to the economic and political collapse, and in FAM everything is fine with it even in the 2000s. Most likely, this is a coup by the military or someone else reactionary, someone of those who may be dissatisfied with democratization.
@@goodisgoog if I remember correctly, did they not leave the North Korean gun buried close by he may have found that and used it, would like to find out fully however
I am assuming we are going to get a flashback at some point, I get a vibe that they agreed to kill him then told the authorities that he died of other causes maybe suicide.
My family and I had a really hard time watching this episode… Whoever the writers are really don’t know how to write small talk. It’s very painful to watch especially when they aren’t really good actors. But you feel like you have to get through it because you want to see what happens next.
I don't really see the sociological division between the workers and the scientists being a thing that would actually happen on a true Martian base. First things first there would be no rooms with Windows of the surface on Mars everyone would be underground the radiation on the surface at times is way too high to have a permanent residential area on the surface. I don't care if this is an alternate timeline or not different technologies whatever that's fine and cool but whatever everyone would be living underground everyone would be living under the same conditions and eating the same food it would be no division in that regard. Don't get me wrong it's a good show I like the show I like the alternate timeline and what could have been but I also don't like when you add drama to things where there would be no drama whatsoever in that way. Now this is centuries down the line where you have an actual population there and where a division truly could flourish then yeah I could see that
The show has made it a practice to create unreasonable situations like that in order to create a crisis down the line. If you notice that something does not make sense - you are right, because it doesn't. It speaks to the skills of the writers when they can't really write an upcoming crisis without everyone figuring out that something does not make sense at all, sticks out. While the initial base might have been surface modules, by this point in the story, yes, you can bet everyone would be underground. As a matter of fact, when I saw them going -3 levels I was like - damn, Helios really thinks about their workers. It is much warmer down there, you are shielded from radiation, and any accidental decompression on the upper levels and you are safe. It is actually a great position to have your quarters. And in the show, they portrayed it like it is slums vs ivory towers of the surface level. Might work on someone who knows nothing about the topic, but this show is marketed towards space nerds and people who like sci-fi in general. We all know what is the reality here, and it really feels off when they artificially try to show us something and convince us of contrary to what makes sense. That is how they created crisis in both Season 2 and Season 3. I am very sad to see the same practice going on in Season 4.
What's the point of the show now? The point of the show originally is what if things happened so the US used space exploration as the main money driving/PR project for the country. The shows conclusion is: it's great for everyone. Now the point is.... it's good in the short run but bad in the long run? What's the show trying to say now?
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I liked how they brought up the first Mars Thanksgiving as an example of everyone working together considering how that actually turned out. Let me know where you think things are going next. Timeline video should be out soon, I've just got a couple of years to finish.
I’m really enjoying these summaries, dude. Thanks for staying up so late!
Yeah, I love how this show mythologizes it's own history. Very much how we do it in real life.
Any estimate on when GDT season 3 starts up?
@@KbanjoK Courtney hasn't been available but she might have some time over the holidays.
@@Drace90 it's a nice touch
The moment i saw swan lake on Margo's TV i knew exactly what was happening. Cannot wait to see how a hardliner coup effects everything from now on
yeah, I assume they are doing something similar to the coup attempt in 91 but as I mentioned in the video I don't know how that will play out in the show's timeline.
Me too. Swan lake I was like oh shit
For a moment I thought it might be a Chernobyl-style disaster in Star City but it looks like a Putin takeover instead.
I like to imagine what the USA equivalent to seeing the Bolshoi on TV during a coup attempt. Monster Truck rally? Brandon Herrera vids on a loop??
@@ChiefOfAssI'd expect Tricia Takanawa interviewing a masked figure.
That sequence with Gorrillaz’s Clint Eastwood with the split screen where they actually cross paths was fantastic. Was not expecting that song also, love it
It was fantastic
it's also period-accurate for the noughties
The Strokes, Gorillaz.. Early 2000s represents!!
I love how they continued Dani Poole's love for Star Trek by para-quoting Jean-Luc Picard by saying "Make it so, XO" to Picard's "Make it so, Number One"
I can't take Ed's old man look serious at all, I laugh every time he's on screen. Sam Massey's character is great, I love that she referenced Parker from the first episode since he truly did feel forgotten.
There were some moments in this episode where it actually didn't look that bad. A bit like Michael Douglas. I think the lighting is more the issue than the make-up.
Honestly, I couldn’t either for quite a bit of the episode, to the point I kept looking away. I find it weird because I had no problem with it in 4.01. Usually make up gets better as we progress into the season, not worse. Hopefully, they will do a better job in the next episode.
The makeup department is the one area this show is really lacking imo. Consistent linear aging with each decade is something they have struggled with. And they’re still not really aging their faces enough. It leaves the characters in this weird age-ambiguous place.
The balding-receding-hairline wig they’ve plastered/glued to his natural head of hair is so tight…did you notice that his forehead wrinkles stop where the bald-receding-hairline is glued on? It’s such a poor job! Terrible. And because he probably hasn’t been forced to shave his own head bald, the fake hair we see is piled on top of his natural hair, giving his head an alien shape. 👽 I’m very turned off by it. Someone’s head should roll in the makeup dept. Seriously.
i am willing to bet that ed is gonna do some insensitive shit again and insult the lower decks, thereby provoking an actual mutiny. the first planet we colonise and some white man is gonna cause a class conflict within 8 years xD
what's interesting is how the NK contingent would react to such a mutiny. will they join them? stay neutral? or backstab both sides for some opportunistic gain?
*That ending.* I was on the edge of my seat dreading the possibility of anything happening to Margo. Goddamn it For All Mankind, your cliffhanger endings are agonizing.
I sure hope she’s not carrying that business card with her!
I suspect it's the Soviet Union collapsing or a takeover. Same ballet thing happened in 91.
@@Andy-te1mw I think it's a takeover by the hardliners in the Communist Party, which has been heavily foreshadowed since Sergei said in Season 3 that not even Gorby can control the KGB.
@@TheJovian16 agreed. Great show too.
I got chills when the Bolshoi Ballet came on the TV. I've always wondered what that was like.
i nearly forgot that aleida's reluctance to speak to a therapist... might have more to do with her knowledge of margo's "treason" than just her apparent death during the blast. margo was essentially her work mommy and a beacon of hope for aleida; she must've spent the last 8 years wondering why margo would commit treason and that is probably the cause of her anxiety/depression.
I have PTSD and have been through a lot of therapy. Every time I go to a new therapist they want to go through all your history, and frankly it's re-traumatising. I can see that being incentive enough not to go. But yeah, she might also be wanting to keep Margo a secret (although it's not clear if Aleida thinks Margo is dead or clearly a traitor).
I have anxiety disorder...which comes with depression...and usually includes some form of PTSD. I say all of this to say "yes".
Wait but Aleida doesn’t know that Margo is alive? She thinks she perished in the blast…
@@eden20111yea i didn't phrase it super well... but i meant that BOTH margo's "traitorous actions" AND margo's "death in the blast" were contributing factors to aleida's reluctance to seek therapy (probably).
margo's like aleida's work mom, so it would be agonising to go to therapy about margo's death while she has to hide the secret of margo's apparent treason too. latest ep with her and the retired engineer dude spells this out a bit more clearly i think.
11:28 - in the real history event, Tchaikovsky's Swan Lake was aired on the Soviet Union television on August 19, 1991 marking an important political event being a coup against Mikhail Gorbachev.
Another great episode. I loved the "Expanse" vibes - Beltalowda !
As I mentioned in the previous episode review, I feel this is an unofficial prequel to The Expanse. Great minds think alike.
@@neskire yeah the timelines of both shows just mesh together so well :)
@@neskire yeah I definitely felt that this episode.
I really enjoyed this episode more than the last,
As much as I do miss the idealism of the early seasons the emphasis on a post 2000's corporate drudgery is kind of a cool direction and the acting of Miles feels like a step up compared to some less than acting last season (Danny Stevens and his brother)
And also really liked the side by side montage of Miles and Danielle felt kinda like better call saul inspired
Parts of this could practically be the back story of the MCR in the Expanse, or a extreme Moon is a Harsh Mistress. I mean that in a good way.
The split screen scene was a brilliant piece of direction.
The difference between the astronauts and the workers reminded me of the 90s when I was a regular worker at McDonnell Douglas. Every morning coming into work in the hallway to my ground level office area I would pass Pete Conrad, McDonnell Douglas Vice President and 3d man on the Moon. I never felt comfortable enough to ever say anything to him. I'd just pass and nod. I was a lowly worker and he was a famous astronaut who's office was on the top floor.
Like Miles said "It's like I wasn't even there" When he was fixing that one guys problem and he just treated him like a servant
I feel the time in Mars with the disgruntled workers is an OPA origin story.
Daniel Stern is really capturing the Lee Iacocca vibe! Great addition to the cast.
When the Helios Crew Manager used the "script" instead of "Pay" or "Cash/Money" it signalled that HappyValley was a 'Company Town' for the Workers and they would be exploited by Helios similar to how Mine+Factory workers where exploited by Robber Barons in Guilded Age.
The depressed economic condition of the USSR doesnt line up though as the Show made the point that Gorbachevs reforms had brought an era of economic prosperity for USSR. Instead the show is presenting Moscow in a similar depressed economic condition to what it was in the real world when Gorbachev and USSR was overthrown by Yeltsin.
While I understand pausing Kelly's program to search for life what I don't understand why they don't just pivot her research to scan for rare earth metals or other minable materials because lava tubes are excellent locations to find those materials and is much cheaper and safer to mine then a asteroid.
Because she is a biologist. Moving it to what you say would mean taking their project away from her and adjusting it for other goals within other department. It would be even worse for her, it would actually mean the death of the project. In the show, currently, they just put it on hold to reallocate funds to other projects, not killing hers in the process.
And it happens, more than you'd think.
The project is still hers, everything stays as it is, they are just postponing the launch. She gets her salary, other biologists and engineers get to keep their jobs, their labs etc. They just put a pin in the project and start realizing the next one in line.
If they just came and said they are moving it to mineral survey instead, it would mean the entire different department takes over, their project is killed and most likely some are losing their jobs. Because, again, they are mostly biologists in her team, they don't have anything to do on a mineral survey mission.
The very important thing is you used the correct term, paused, not canceled. If she actually takes her project and go private, it would be a massively stupid move in the story and not something that could actually happen. Project is NOT hers, it is NASA's, and she is just a head of it. You can't simply take a project from NASA because you are not satisfied and go private with it. But I am sensing they are going to exactly that. In-world consistency and realism never stopped them before, why would it stop them now...
@@Wustenfuchs109 Well realistically her robot wouldn't be designed to only have biological sensors on it they would have included other sensors to search for other things so the situation still ends up being a poor writing choice for the sake of adding drama.
Her research is paused so the director has something to show to the president that he made cuts. It's in the dialogue
@@mighthealMaybe, maybe not, we don't know the scope of the mission for that robot. Maybe it needs all that could be packed in it for that biology mission. But overall, I agree on the writing point - and I have said many times myself since Season 2 - poor writing choices for the sake of adding drama. Season 2 was absolutely the worst in that regard, even contradicting their own writing from one episode to the other, sometimes even within the single episode.
But yeah, it is pretty much a standard in For All Mankind by this point.
I like the lower decks and commander drama . LD will come through and help to get recognize
I liked this episode very much! Excited to follow the many paths in the S4 storyline! Kudos to Dani in forcing the fix for satellite reception! 👍🏻
I was surprised that Aleida's mobile looks very 2003. With the iPod showing up a decade earlier and versions of iPads around, i would have thought smart phones (remember, iPhone came out in 2007) would already be all over the place by 2003 in this timeline... actually thought the one teen (forgot who brought their kid to work day previous episode) was playing on a smart phone, but maybe just played snake on his Nokia ... :) Keep up the great reviews, always looking forward to those
There wouldn't be any good reason for Smartphones in this time line. Smartphones need the internet to really function and in this timeline the internet is private.
Also consider that Nokias and stuff were still around for many years after smartphones came out. It was a while before everyone had a smartphone.
@@mattstorm360 interesting, was not aware of that. I thought with d-mail and vidmail it was around, but makes sense that it would be very different if it was kept private
I bet the people in the speakeasy start a Union! Should be great.
The oxygen to the lower levels gets cut off, like in Total Recall 😆
Sad thing about going to Mars only to be underground is a similar experience of people in an Aircraft carrier for months but rarely even get to see the sea.
Yes, except that, for a correct analogy, the said carrier would need to be in the middle of the storm. Martian surface is blasted with radiation, you are more likely to be harmed due to dust or accidental decompression on the surface level than down under. If I was ever in a situation like that, I'd choose to go as far down as possible, make as large of a distance between myself and the one of the most hostile environments as possible.
I think my desire to survive, and be healthy at the end of it, would be more important to me than looking at the surface (radiation blasted wasteland) all the time. See it from time to time? Sure. And they did and probably will again. But not all the time, thank you. I'd rather burrow down and put a dozen meters of soil as well as several hermetic doors between myself and Martian surface.
@@Wustenfuchs109 -- If you went to Mars with the intention of hunkering below ground and working just for the pay, then it would be great. If you went to Mars to work above ground, to view it and walk around on the surface, then it would seriously suck to be relegated to living as a human mole.
@@Wustenfuchs109 OK it is too weird to realize this as it is not obvious, a supercarrier can have more than 5000 people on board with few windows, and the upper area is dedicated to flight operations. Most people have to make special appointments to look outside.
Ed Baldwin looks like Count Olaf in A Series of Unfortunate Events
Man we love how you cover everything we watch
This season seems to really follow the second season’s pattern where we see a lot of character stuff and a lot of setting up and for there to be a pay off later on.
Looks like some trouble is breweing with the Helios work crews "Below decks" Seriously seems like theres a good chance of some kind of strike or workers revolt. Excited for what happens next.
I got some serious Eloi and Morlock vibes from Happy Valley.
It's only reinforced when Ed rants about how hard it is being on Mars... While he's eating an artisanal hand made farm to table meal under a skylight next to an apple tree. It's a scrawny half dead apple tree but it's a lot more than the shower mildew the basement dwellers get.
@@Hevach lol and they have the nerve to charge them for barely edible crap, nice to see in this timeline reality US style late stage neo-feudal capitalism made it to other worlds 🤣
I guess it's a distinct possibility if the likes of Musk and Bezos or the Koch brothers are involved colonising the solar system in the future.
I think what it's leading up to is the lower decks unionizing. But not before strike action and some, probably violent reaction from the upper brass, with Danelle needing choose how to respond
The ending has me so on edge. What the hell happened? Did the Soviet Union collapse like it did in our timeline, just 13 years later? I doubt that because of how well it was doing under Gorbatschow, not at all like in our timeline. So I guess there was a coup. Remember Sergei said last episode how Gorbatschow had lost control of the KGB. I always assumed this would come into play again. What is the goal here? Turn the USSR back to its totalitarian roots? Oh boy, how will this renewed tension affect Happy Valley? "Cold War is over" my ass.
Thanks for making my week worth it
Can you tell me what you think happened at the end of the episode in Russa, based on history? thanks!
It is most likely a hardliner coup, a callback to historical event in 1991 where Soviet hardliners (communist old guard) tried to take over from the modern pro-democracy politicians in power. Also, ballet/classical music on Soviet tv and radio were a standard practice when ever there was a large political or general problem/disaster within the country.
It is done because news agencies didn't know what to report, there were no clear instructions from the government until the dust settled, so they would just play ballet/classical music until orders filtered down on what to report.
In the show, at the start of season 4, we see that certain politicians in USSR are critiquing Gorbachev for "weak political decisions" and "being too friendly towards USA". Also, in the show itself, Soviet citizens clearly know what is going on because they ask "Where is Gorbachev?! What have you done?!". So I am 95% sure that it is their version of 1991 Soviet coup attempt where Soviet hardliners tried to take over, they placed Gorbachev in house arrest and Yeltsin let citizens of Moscow against the military and hardliners.
Army refused to shoot on the citizens and coup attempt was defeated. But USSR fell soon after as Gorbachev lost all credibility while pro-nationalist Yeltsin became very prominent. In less than a year, USSR broke apart.
What will happen in the show, will the hard liners win, I guess we will see in the next few episodes. But I guess that is exactly why that mysterious woman told Margo to quiet down and wait, as soon big things will happen. Meaning, if she knew about it, she was the part of the coup (or at least knew about it) and the new government will be more sympathetic to Margo. And Margo was aligned more with the hard line clique of the USSR.
yeah, am thinking it's the show's version of the 1991 coup attempt.
I'm starting to get Red Faction vibes in regards to the treatment of workers, big Corpo treating them like dirt.
Thanks, Pete! Excited to see where they go this season.
There were some things that were real head scratchers for me, in this episode.
Upstairs-downstairs conflict? Morale problems? Misleading some workers on what life, and pay would be like. This seems like a dangerous situation to have, out in space.
Bandwidth problems, when everything is queued (email, attachments), given the Earth-Mars delay? It's not like one is dealing with real-time communications. Though I remember back in 2003, cable and DSL were considered an upgrade from dial-up. There were some latency problems. I suppose this is a metaphor for the time.
I did notice the lack of acknowledgement for Tom Parker, but initially thought it was the writers viewing him as expendable as opposed to this "upstairs/downstairs" dynamic. Then I was so sure this season was going to be about a rebellion of the have-nots before Danielle made a point to address the low morale. That may still happen, but it would be a lot more complex, so now I really don't know what to expect from this season.
There was a similar thing happening. The funeral of the Stevens with all pomp and circumstances, and no mention of the other people who died on the moon.
@@claudiaroedel1368 Well that was different in that the Stevens were the ones who sacrificed themselves to fix the reactor while everyone else was killed in the shootout that damaged the reactor in the first place.
@@ianbui5356 they were still marines and astronauts and deserved mention and honorable funeral
Love your videos thorough and fantastic.
Thanks. I look forward to them almost as much as the episodes of Invasion, Foundation and FAM
Miles is a Beltalowda sasa ke?
Just finished watching Ep 2. ... Hi Bob
Theory: first strike on mars, first union in mars.
Russian ballet only on tv only and clearing out the streets means one thing: there’s some kind of political upheaval going on…
Historically the Soviet communist hardliners/the KGB attempted a coup against the civilian government in 1991 because of the ongoing perestroika liberalization reforms being made under Gorbachev. In our reality the coup only just failed and the Soviet Union ended while the Russian Federation began. In the show it seems the coup succeeds.
Maybe Gorbachev was assassinated and the next person in charge is trying to bring back the old Stalinist type Soviet Union, which is obviously not going to go well.
In 1991 during the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russian TV played Swan Lake on all channels on loop. Apparently in this timeline it’s been delayed by 12 years. Will it play out the same way given the Russian people have had a longer period of Gorbachev’s glasnost/perestroika or will we see the rise of Putin and the oligarchs that they have now?
it's really hard to say what they have planned given all the changes
It seems to me Swan Lake should be played in HD at least.
@@jb94103 We’ve already seen in the first episode that the Russian people have already become used to living in more open economy, the men at the newsstand complaining about the rising taxes, yet agreeing they wouldn’t want to go back to the way it was before. This episode again at the newsstand people are standing up to the police in mass, something they wouldn’t have done pre-Gorbachev reforms.
Aleida realised she had to leave, when one of the Wet Bandits became her boss at NASA 😂
Hope it isn't the case that the writers have read the Mars trilogy and are trying to turn Ed into a the Phyllis Boyle of this show 😂
Can see the setup for season 5 now, massive lifespan extensions, the mars space elevator sabotaged and a revolution...
They mention growing wealth inequality in the SU so I think the current issue is more related to Tiannamen square than our worlds's Gorbachov's coup
Btw is it mentioned anywhere in season 4 how long it takes for the 'space bus' to travel to Mars?
What the episode lacked in action it made up for in very necessary character moments and setups. I now feel like the season has a trajectory. Yeah it was a bit in your face but that it is kinda what it needs to be. If at the end of this episode we would be like "Hm, I wonder if there is maybe a bit of a class divide in Happy Valley, I dunno, just a theory" then the writers hadn't done their job. Yes, clearly there is. Moving on.
I wonder if this is all leading to a worker's strike on Mars. Last episode showed a newspaper article about a moon strike, so that might have been forshadowing. It's not even the first time this happened. A strike on Mars could be really interesting, especially with actual communists involved.
Easy to deal with a strike on Mars, cut the air supply until the worker drones comply.
Which is why I dread the exploration of space and establishment of off world colonies being lead by narcissistic reactionary autocrats such as Musk and Bezos who wouldn't hesitate for a moment to use these sort of tactics.
This is a better start so far than I saw in Seasons 2 and 3. I stopped watching this series when, out of nowhere, the North Korean cosmonaut showed up on Mars in Season 3. There was no support for this either in the real world or in Moore's alternative world, and this was on top of the unlikely-verging-impossible shootouts on the Moon in Season 2 and the impossibly large Helios station in Season 3. The series really went down the tubes in Season 3, but is picking up now, with at least plausible events.
There was no support for this either in the real world or in Moore's alternative world.
This is not correct. The NK mission is actually referred to earlier in Season 3. NASA mistakenly thought the mission was unmanned, but later surmised that the capsule refueled in earth orbit, and was thus capable of carrying humans as far as Mars. We've had the technology to send a man (or woman) to Mars for decades. Bringing them home - not so mich.
@@paulkerrigan4051 What was unplausible was that it was very very unlikely that the ship would have survived the crash landing enough for him to be able to breath for as long as he did. The ship would have lots of leaks and he would have suffocated within the day of the crash.
That's fair.@@mightheal
Hi @@paulkerrigan4051 Thank you for the correction! Nevertheless, I didn't much like Season 3, and to this day I have not watched the episodes after the North Korean was shown eating his canned sardines or whatever it was. This was an EXCELLENT, must-watch show in Season 1, but the writing and research really deteriorated in Season 2, with a lot of scientific and political unlikelihoods/impossibilities. I'm hoping they're back on track for this season.
Welcome back, friend. We'll have to agree to disagree on Season 3, which I thought was excellent. The only parts that I found tedious were the scenes dealing with President Wilson's political problems....@@AncientNovelist
Nobody is going to comment how the "welcome speech" is very similar to the one in Avatar? "Mars wants to kill you and eat your eyes for jujubes!"
Dani proved again why she is one of my favorite characters. And SHOCKED Ed comes across as less helpful. Margo should know that the baker is always right. I do like the new Lower Deckers to borrow a phrase from Star Trek. I also like Eli. He makes me think of Thomas Paine. Cares about NASA and tries to game the system to do the best he can. Aleida and Kelly make an interesting pair. Slowly getting caught up to you.
Whats going on with Danny tho??
Margot was the best 6 minutes of the show!
This reminds me of the novel "Rogue Star" by Michael Flynn.
On mars I think we might see union talk with the down stairs workers organising. Maybe this new guy will e Mars first union leader, having the first strike in mars would be interesting to see.
There's already been a strike on the Moon - we saw a headline about that in the inter-series montage.
@@paulkerrigan4051 If I remember correctly there was also a news report in the background one scene saying the strike was still going on in the first episode.
@@paulkerrigan4051 well that would make sense if the same thing is going to happen on mars
This show has so much potential and then it’s just so much drama and logical flaws. Oh yes a private firm would cut corners,yes workers would allow for living like crap, but even private firms would understand that if they aint paid good, don’t live good and don’t get good food there will be a rebellion. But do you know who knows that? Writers. They know. But this is too early. This is not a Mars colony with 1 million people where people get lost and forgotten. This is yet an other soap opera plot point to get some drama into series which you don’t need it just need more science for goodness sake. Soon as Baldwin unknown brother will enter the station.
Aleida and Kelly --> go to the new Dev Ayesa robot company
Happy Valley --> some kind of eventual war between the crew and astronauts, maybe the take control of the base
Soviet Union -> Hardliners coup, maybe Margo somehow ends in Star City
Is it just me or some of the audio clips in this video is missing like 1 second from the beginning?
Even in Space, the managers get the best of everything and the poor workers gets the worst that the company can offer
You need to realize that astronauts, cosmonauts, scientists and pilots - are all serving with their national space agencies. Those workers are Helios, a private for-profit company. I know the show will try to push it as us vs them, but it really has no business being here. NASA deals with their own resources, their own astronauts etc. Helios deals with their workers as they see fit. Helios is subcontracted by NASA and other agencies to do a certain job, and they accept it for money. How they organize later, not up to NASA or anyone else. NASA pays, NASA wants a certain job done for that price. Helios then decides what to do and how will they fulfill that contract.
@@Wustenfuchs109 -- You've reasoned like every crappy selfishly driven manager does. As a Director of Operations, I made it my business to root out managerial staff with that mentality, as they invariably poison morale, thereby compromising productivity. It's the people who determine the success or failure of any operation and those with inflated egos eventually bring any well oiled operation crashing down. Ed's proven himself to be a sh*tty XO-- he's always been selfish to his core. Those he considers to be on his level are treated the way HE wants to be treated and everyone else gets the dredges. He's an emotional coward hiding out on Mars. Danielle's not a crappy Commander/manager-- she never was. She recognized the unfairness rooted deeply in Happy Valley immediately and began to work at correcting that imbalance. Those "astronauts, cosmonauts, scientists and pilots" are dependent on the grunts to keep Happy Valley operational. If they've forgotten that, they deserve to be treated to a harsh reality check and likely will be.
Theory: Massive Russian Turmoil. President Gore calls on Ellen to go to Russia and serve as an envoy. She sees Margot somehow we end up with a stalemate conflict but less nuclear-y than what we got at the end of season 2. The actions on Mars make it better/worse but there is a happy(enough) ending. Ed has a resolution of a sort, being the first in something, and leaves Mars finally to die an old man at home in his bed.
The biggest unanswered questions:
1 - What exactly happened to Danny Stevens?
2 - Do the Americans know that Margo is alive?
The CIA might know about Margo but maybe not if that mystery woman she meets is a member of a Russian coup.
I was wondering if anyone in America knows if Margo is alive? If they do its probably like the CIA
I agree. They HAVE to know. She's walking the streets of Moscow - even in the worst years of the civil war, there were plenty of Americans in Russia - diplomats, business people, tourists. Someone would have seen her! Eventually, this will be addressed by the show.@@cbspock1701
Pretty sure Danny is buried in the red dust or in that North Korean bunker room.
My weirdly dark sneaking theory with her is that the CIA/DOD turned her as a double agent and she's in Russia for such a reason.
@@pyroslev that would be pretty cool, but also probably wouldn't happen. I mean CIA or the DOD have no reason to trust Margo after she had been leaking info from NASA to their enemy.
Happy Valley reminiscent of the Coal Miners in Appalachia. Company stores. Company scrip. Workers being nickled and dimed at every turn. Capitalism at its finest.
Yup, class struggles. Even on another planet.
Are Danielle Poole's boots gone?...or just out of the shot?
I'm glad a boot didn't stomp on Margo's glasses it woukd have felt to be too much
So, this is how the mars MCRN where born?
Legend has it, Danny Stevens is still in that North Korea capsule. lol jk
FYI, next week’s episode will air on Wednesday the 22nd. So, we don’t have to wait a whole week for the new episode. Woot, woot!!!!
That might even mean Tuesday. 'Officially', each episode is released on Friday, but the actual release happens at 9pm Eastern on Thursday.
Oh yeah, you’re right. Even better!
I just saw that
Thank you! I completely missed that!
Do you think the people in the basement? Of the mars colony are thinking about les misérables
A thing from Soviet times, whenever Swan Lake was on the TV, things had gone to SH*T, in out timeline Putin was already in power, I think Putin may have offered Gorbachev.
Theres definitely going to be a strike on Mars just like the Moon.
2:05 "the worker" he has a name
So guessing Margo, Aleida and Kelly are going to be joining up with Dev🤷🏽♂️
Aleida and Kelly, certainly.
Im sure Margo is getting caught up in the fall of the USSR, the workers in the lower levels are probably going to strike and I see Alesia and Kelly look like they’re about to create a new civilian space agency. I see Danielle and Ed having some kind of falling out too.
I have a feeling and yes im not sure if im the only one making this rumour up but i think that Margo and alita are going to talk again and that Margo's friend who she helped escape is plotting for a way to save margo since she went missing only now after this episode it is about to be more obvious.
You notice how there's never any mention of the World Wide Web? I wonder if in this timeline, the government never opened arpanet to the public
Calling it now: Season 5 will be about Mars declaring its independence and fighting with Earth over resources from the asteroid belt.
I've been pondering the same thing. That would be a similar arc to Kin Stanley Robinson's Mars Trilogy - took decades in that universe, though.
@@paulkerrigan4051 They might as well call For All Mankind a The Expanse prequel. XD
I am not so sure. The main point of For All Mankind is in the name itself - any crisis that they write about ends up with a season finale where they all join together to solve it. It is very positive story, all things considered. So it is closer to ideas of Star Trek in that regard and all of humanity going forward, together, than Expanse with their realistic factionalism.
And why goes a shot of tequila cost $6.50? That's kind of steep for 2003!
It would be much safer to work in subterranean Mars.
The surface is a seriously, highly irradiated dust ball.
Seems pretty obvious we will have a mutiny from the lower decks, led by Miles...
I really didn't like this episode. Every thing they're trying to portray with the class system feels so on-the-nose.
Looked it up on Wikipedia and read the plot of the book.
Apparently, aliens are traveling to conquer earth but won't be here for 450 years...... yeah, you got that, 450 years so don't bother setting your alarm clock!
My brain slowly started to wander, then loss of interest...isn't it nap time.
The story is so insane, I could barely stand to finish reading the plot line. My mind just checked out on this one and I don't see how this could be turned into a series.
In any case, I don't see myself as a viewer.
From reddit: Production error? Cars say "Militia", uniforms say "Police". They seem to have used current Russian uniforms (even though these scenes are shot in Sofia, Bulgaria), even worse - they seem to have made those uniforms specifically for the show (the font seems to be different)
Also, Soviet police driving Mercedes vans.
It would be cool if the (potential) Russian coup is used as a plot device to bring President Ellen Wilson back into the series!
And who is the VP to President Gore?
Im glad everyone loves this episode. I dont like this season so far. It may be the end for this show after this season. U stopped watching mid way through first episode. More feelings, back story and filler than it needs. Just my opinion. However, i watch each recap you post. Thanks. I will only watch show after watching your recap videos for a good episode to watch. Again. Thanks and keep up the excellent work
My prediction for the Mars storyline is that there will be a workers strike (or even uprising) by the Helios crew (because classism) and there will be some plotpoint that has to do with communism (a Russian cosmonaut tells Milles about a crazy idea called communism and how everyone is equal) …
USSR is cracking apart. Ballet was played the day it happened. This is an obvious hint at it happening in the show as well. Interesting to see how it will affect the future of space exploration without the soviets. Is Putin coming to power and starting wars in Chechnya and Ukraine? Russia planned to occupy Ukraine since the dissolution of the USSR, but wars in Chechnya have postponed these plans until 2014. Very interesting.
This was also kind of similar to what happened during Chernobyl. All the radio stations started playing classical music And the TV station started playing nothing but ballet or something mundane. I had a friend that lived in the Soviet Union during that time and he said whenever that happened You knew... Life was about to change.
Probably the opposite and the communist die-hards succeed in the coup and the Soviet Union is preserved and instead begins to behave more antagonistically toward the US once again.
in real life, the USSR collapsed in 1991 due to the economic and political collapse, and in FAM everything is fine with it even in the 2000s. Most likely, this is a coup by the military or someone else reactionary, someone of those who may be dissatisfied with democratization.
Im still very curious about what happened to danny, and I was hoping Danille's return to mars would potentially cover what had happened there with him
I assumed he just died somewhere on Mars and they eventually found his body
@@goodisgoog if I remember correctly, did they not leave the North Korean gun buried close by he may have found that and used it, would like to find out fully however
I’m watching carefully - no character has explicitly said that Stevens is dead. Not yet, anyway.
I am assuming we are going to get a flashback at some point, I get a vibe that they agreed to kill him then told the authorities that he died of other causes maybe suicide.
The Swan lake is an homage the real life 1991 coup attempt in the former Soviet Union. Soviet tv played Swan Lake in a loop during the coup.
They get the rock back to mars but something goes wrong and the rock crashes into Happy Valley?!🤔
i thought his name was dale??
Miles Dale.
yep, Miles Dale.
I hope Mars unionizes like the Moon
My family and I had a really hard time watching this episode… Whoever the writers are really don’t know how to write small talk. It’s very painful to watch especially when they aren’t really good actors. But you feel like you have to get through it because you want to see what happens next.
Ballet all day on TV in USSR = something tragedic is happening in the country
The actors playing Bill and Eli are too similar. At first I thought they were the same person.
Yeah I get the bad feeling that Margo isn’t going to have a good ending.
I think Miles is going to lose his shit and start a revolution on mars.
Margo returns to USA my guess a swap.
Hi bob
Black swan on tv I knew there some crisis going on
I don't really see the sociological division between the workers and the scientists being a thing that would actually happen on a true Martian base. First things first there would be no rooms with Windows of the surface on Mars everyone would be underground the radiation on the surface at times is way too high to have a permanent residential area on the surface. I don't care if this is an alternate timeline or not different technologies whatever that's fine and cool but whatever everyone would be living underground everyone would be living under the same conditions and eating the same food it would be no division in that regard. Don't get me wrong it's a good show I like the show I like the alternate timeline and what could have been but I also don't like when you add drama to things where there would be no drama whatsoever in that way. Now this is centuries down the line where you have an actual population there and where a division truly could flourish then yeah I could see that
Totally. In an alternate timeline radiation on Mars is still deadly. And the population of Mars is not big enough yet for castes to develop.
The show has made it a practice to create unreasonable situations like that in order to create a crisis down the line. If you notice that something does not make sense - you are right, because it doesn't. It speaks to the skills of the writers when they can't really write an upcoming crisis without everyone figuring out that something does not make sense at all, sticks out.
While the initial base might have been surface modules, by this point in the story, yes, you can bet everyone would be underground. As a matter of fact, when I saw them going -3 levels I was like - damn, Helios really thinks about their workers.
It is much warmer down there, you are shielded from radiation, and any accidental decompression on the upper levels and you are safe. It is actually a great position to have your quarters. And in the show, they portrayed it like it is slums vs ivory towers of the surface level.
Might work on someone who knows nothing about the topic, but this show is marketed towards space nerds and people who like sci-fi in general. We all know what is the reality here, and it really feels off when they artificially try to show us something and convince us of contrary to what makes sense.
That is how they created crisis in both Season 2 and Season 3. I am very sad to see the same practice going on in Season 4.
What's the point of the show now? The point of the show originally is what if things happened so the US used space exploration as the main money driving/PR project for the country. The shows conclusion is: it's great for everyone.
Now the point is.... it's good in the short run but bad in the long run? What's the show trying to say now?
This show needs the ultimate badguy, China, right now!
Or savior, the M7 does not have China, so China will probably bankroll their way to M7 and shoulder the possible void left by the Soviet Union
Humans are the bad guys, as well as the good, regardless of culture.