This is damn brilliant. As someone who films a ton of music videos, it’s actually a truly elegant solution. I’ve never thought to do it, VERY creative. It solves a ton of problems. 1. Those gimbal support rigs are insane. Annoying. And expensive. So that leaves the big ring, attached to an ez rig, or the other one with the two ropes. 2. Those rigs make every shot too low. Especially if you have a Cinematographer who’s on the shorter side. 3. This is super convenient for size as well.
yep, i have virtually everything i need to build a rig v similar to this iteration, just need an extra rosetta clamp and handle for a third grip, a user named OD Hunte showed how he did it today, and as a tennis player (haven't played in almost 2y but still) I should've thought to get an extra cheap handle or 2 (or 3) and wrap em in that comfy tape... and i'd been looking at the difft Easyrigs, but this is gonna cost less than $100 to finish and will be so incredibly versatile.
@@ListenHereOldMan truthfully, the ergonomics of this rig would probably work better with an ez rig ANYway.. Just because of the top handle it self. Really brilliant solution.
They used the Tilta power supply base to eliminate the DJI handle battery and shorten the whole rig significantly and make it way more balanced on the shoulder , bolting the power base straight to the rigid V lock mounting plate, also adding the Tilta dvanced Rear Operating Control Handle for suitcase mode
I macguyvered something similar together on a set a few years back and ever since have been complaining about how gimbal manufacturers should build something in a similar form factor, but yours is much more elegant than what I slapped together, stealing some of these ideas... love it.
THIS LOOKS AWESOME! I recently bought the fx30 to get my feet wet for the fx3 (or whatever the next one is going to be) and I bought the Ronin RS3 Pro. I used the fx30 out yesterday for the first time and I hated the stabilization so much that it had me considering the Lumix but the that has moire issues and is a whole new ecosystem since I'm already deep in sony. Thanks so much for this!
Terrific video! I have a feeling that The Creator is now going to be the subject of many courses and case studies in film schools all around the world going forward for at least the next four or five years. It's changed a lot of people perception already about what is possible (and at what cost) when shooting a major film production.
from my perspective, every few years a camera is created to give average filmmakers inspiration. I remember in 2012 an block buster movie came out called ACT Of VALOR which was made on a canon 5d m2 and in 2015 the film mad max road fury, on a certain scene the use a black mage cinema 2.5k with an tokina 11-16 they used also a few original black magic pocket that was only 1080 pm at the time on a marvel Avengers: Age of Ultron and now we have the Sony e30 which did another ground breaking statement again in 2023 with the movie The Creator its a great time to be a filmmaker. this all proves you dont need to spend thousands from your retirement to buy a camera to produced quality work
Great video man. This might be a huge solution to a problem I tend to have - I do a lot of gimbal work but also need to move quickly to handheld at live events and just locking off the axis and popping it on your shoulder does all of that in a second. I’d love to just know you get a monitor and wire up all the v mount batteries etc.
Thanks for this! I had a lot of what I needed but just ordered the parts to get this going with my ageing Ronin S and BMPCC4K. I’m going with an Arri rosette based extension arm front support for the gimbal instead. Let you know how it goes.
This is not correct. The rig we used on the movie was custom built by our camera team and includes some custom 3D-printed parts. It has no affiliation with any existing product on the market.
@@MonotremeFilms after this post it has been further more well pointed out everywhere on all our channels and socials, the concept remain the same, you guys have done by yourself, something that was already specifically patented and published, since 2020 ;)
Thank you very much! I have a Sony ZV-E10 and for saving costs, I would like to go for a DJI RS3 mini instead of the standard version. Do you think that would work in the same way? Bonus question: As the Smallrig 2141 rotating NATO adapter seems to be out of production, do you think the Smallrig 2385 swivel and tilt adapter will do as well?
Yooo - so I stumbled upon this recently - I had posted on someone elses vid as well as since i set it up without knowing someone else had or before info about this movie came out... it may be the same reason... I setup the gimbal in sport or to the stiffness right before the motors start shaking from being too stiff. The effect is that it is pretty much identical to a regular shoulder rig footage with a heavy camera. So in effect, the only function the gimbal is doing it removing micro jitters. Other than that - the gimbal head almost is completely locked off. If you look at their BTS - you can see in many instances the gimbal head almost fully tracks the camera operators physical movement.
The most important is that they used Kowa anamorphic lens set, it is as important as the camera body. People talk about the FX3 but its actually the lens that make such a result, with the specific bkoeh and the highlight roll off added to polarize filter to cut off the skin hight light and give this look. But yes its FX3 more budget for the DOP and better hotels for the crew.
Using some kind of quick release solution on the base of the gimbal (such as the F22/F38 setup from Ulanzi) might be a better solution for balancing/calibrating the gimbal before putting it on the rig and re-balancing when changing lenses
The big thing is running alongside talent, the gimbal can be pivoted off-axis toward the talent. And i can even imagine flipping the rig around backwards for a sort of shoulder mounted Don Juan, relying on the gimbal and an EVF to keep things framed
Mot brilliant idea seen for a long while! I do have most of the part at hand and should build something similar for 'semi-handheld' shots with my anamorphic lens without the pain of the gimbal weight.
Interesting video, but Id really love an exact (or near exact, skip the lens) remake of their rig. The removal of the RS2 handle has a big difference on the weight distribution and handling of this rig. I really want to see how they actually kitted this up for run and gun. Might be worth renting out the remaining bits to show us in a video; thanks!
Yes, I’m curious to see how they attached the power supply base plate to the shoulder mount. The gimbal itself looks quite high off the shoulder mount. Cheese plate on rods, or an L plate of some sort?
Thanks for presenting some interesting ideas. I need to try experimenting myself. Trouble with shoulder mounteing an FX3 is getting a good balance (needs camera well back) makes monitoring tricky Yet, I always felt that shoulder mounting gave one a better chance of holding longer shots, if wanting some movement vs a more static tripod or monopod option. Gimbals can be good but difficult to manage for a sustained period without using some kind of chest mount (which is starting to look like overkill for many situations). Def need to try. Sort of makes sense to use a gimbal too, but I think far forward mounting (better gimbal use and monitoring) fights the ethos of shoulder rigging.
How would you feel about mounting this on a tripod? If you did that can you lock the gimbal arms so there’s no wobble or would you have to leave the gimbal on still? Seems similar to the Ronin 4d in this configuration but it seems like when you put the Ronin 4d on a tripod there’s still a bit of wobble when the 4d gimbal is turned off
You could turn it off and lock off the axis, you’d effectively have a solid camera body for tripod or even handheld, then unlock and turn the rs2 back on for gimbal. Saves switching I guess which is good, only negative would be swapping lenses
@@JonathanPalfreyAh that's good to know. Yeah that's a good point about swapping lenses. Guess the Samyang V-AF would be handy there (too bad the image quality is lacking)
Couldn't they have gotten rid of the micro jitters just by having the build on a normal shoulder rig? Wouldn't the gimbal version create movements which are too smooth and take away from the 'handheld' look? This is something that confuses me 😳
This is awesome!! Thank you for putting together this video!!! Gimbals are tough to hold for a long time and this shoulder mount works. I’m gonna try it now!
Why use a shoulder mounted gimbal? Isn't it obvious? It's the simplest way to stabalize a gimbal in the vertical direction. Rather clever. Wish I thought of it.
@@bemboing4338 there is a flex unit that can dismount the sensor from the body - it can be used exactly the same way as any other dslr but with all the benefits of a bigger body
@@bemboing4338with the flex cable, you can absolutely make it shoulder mount and reposition the alignment / height of the sensor block (to lower its orientation). This is a common misconception.
*NO* it’s not the rig they used. The DP posted several photos and although you’ve got the idea they used many more advanced parts and also didn’t use the battery as part of the setup. So the thumbnail is actually not true. Would have been more truthful to say it was a similar rig. 👍🏿
Why is everyone confused about this set up? I don't understand this. They are using this rig as shoulder and hand held with lot's of movement. They used the gimbal set up instead of a steady cam.
ATTENTION ‼️ If you just mount it on a shoulder pad like you did or if you have briefcase mode you can directly mount it on the pad and then use handles connected directly to the gimbals own nato rails then you eliminate a lot of extra stuff, it is way stronger also!
This video has great production value but please be more honest in your presentation. Because no, you did not 'manage to build the FX3 rig that they used on The Creator movie'. This video should rather be called 'My attempt at recreating the 'The Creator' Sony FX3 Gimbal Rig with the parts I had laying around'. You don't use the same parts or configuration. If you want to see what parts you actually need and how to set it up to recreate the rig they used for the movie check out the video ‘The Creator’ Sony FX3 ‘Octopus’ DJI RS2 Gimbal Rig Explained by OD Hunte.
Everyone pretending to build "the" rig used during this filming is either wrong or lying. According to one of the co-Director of photography, they used TEN different rigs and set-ups for the whole production. And one of them was camera + 7" monitor, when other ones were way larger. So... everyone can make their own opinions about the sincerity of such titles and their writers. Next time, just take the right information from the right place : a crew member himself. Image creation is a reputation-driven world, you don't want to ruin your own in one single go with one single title. Unless you actually want to ! 🤔
This is damn brilliant.
As someone who films a ton of music videos, it’s actually a truly elegant solution.
I’ve never thought to do it, VERY creative.
It solves a ton of problems.
1. Those gimbal support rigs are insane. Annoying. And expensive.
So that leaves the big ring, attached to an ez rig, or the other one with the two ropes.
2. Those rigs make every shot too low. Especially if you have a Cinematographer who’s on the shorter side.
3. This is super convenient for size as well.
"Cinematographer or the shorter side"
i feel called out 😂jkjk
@@AV.Creative LOLOL
it was more of a self own ha I am of that caliber myself. Ha ha
yep, i have virtually everything i need to build a rig v similar to this iteration, just need an extra rosetta clamp and handle for a third grip, a user named OD Hunte showed how he did it today, and as a tennis player (haven't played in almost 2y but still) I should've thought to get an extra cheap handle or 2 (or 3) and wrap em in that comfy tape...
and i'd been looking at the difft Easyrigs, but this is gonna cost less than $100 to finish and will be so incredibly versatile.
@@ListenHereOldMan truthfully, the ergonomics of this rig would probably work better with an ez rig ANYway..
Just because of the top handle it self.
Really brilliant solution.
👋🏾 🎥 on the shorter side 🫠 it is I
They used the Tilta power supply base to eliminate the DJI handle battery and shorten the whole rig significantly and make it way more balanced on the shoulder , bolting the power base straight to the rigid V lock mounting plate, also adding the Tilta dvanced Rear Operating Control Handle for suitcase mode
this stuff is wyld
I macguyvered something similar together on a set a few years back and ever since have been complaining about how gimbal manufacturers should build something in a similar form factor, but yours is much more elegant than what I slapped together, stealing some of these ideas... love it.
THIS LOOKS AWESOME! I recently bought the fx30 to get my feet wet for the fx3 (or whatever the next one is going to be) and I bought the Ronin RS3 Pro. I used the fx30 out yesterday for the first time and I hated the stabilization so much that it had me considering the Lumix but the that has moire issues and is a whole new ecosystem since I'm already deep in sony. Thanks so much for this!
I just got the SmallRig Wireless Control Dual Handgrip, I wonder if I can integrate that into this mix!?
yeah probably, would be a great addition. just use that as the handles rather than the normal ones I used.
Thank you Jonathan for the great anti-twist solution of the main gimbal...securing only to the cheeseplate needed the extra setup.
4:36 Hi Jonathan! Im very interest in this part of the rigging. Can you explain a little more about how you’re attaching this?
What can be used instead of the 360 Nato adapter? It seems to have been discontinued.
Terrific video! I have a feeling that The Creator is now going to be the subject of many courses and case studies in film schools all around the world going forward for at least the next four or five years. It's changed a lot of people perception already about what is possible (and at what cost) when shooting a major film production.
from my perspective, every few years a camera is created to give average filmmakers inspiration. I remember in 2012 an block buster movie came out called ACT Of VALOR which was made on a canon 5d m2 and in 2015 the film mad max road fury, on a certain scene the use a black mage cinema 2.5k with an tokina 11-16 they used also a few original black magic pocket that was only 1080 pm at the time on a marvel Avengers: Age of Ultron and now we have the Sony e30 which did another ground breaking statement again in 2023 with the movie The Creator its a great time to be a filmmaker. this all proves you dont need to spend thousands from your retirement to buy a camera to produced quality work
Great video man. This might be a huge solution to a problem I tend to have - I do a lot of gimbal work but also need to move quickly to handheld at live events and just locking off the axis and popping it on your shoulder does all of that in a second.
I’d love to just know you get a monitor and wire up all the v mount batteries etc.
Great video idea! Love seeing smaller filmmaking channels like mine creating unique content.
It looks amazing, almost like a weapon in the movie.
I was waiting for a video like this since I saw the BTS footage ❤🔥
Thanks for this! I had a lot of what I needed but just ordered the parts to get this going with my ageing Ronin S and BMPCC4K. I’m going with an Arri rosette based extension arm front support for the gimbal instead. Let you know how it goes.
The rig used on that movie was an early prototype of our actual product, already available on the market.
Awesome!
This is not correct. The rig we used on the movie was custom built by our camera team and includes some custom 3D-printed parts. It has no affiliation with any existing product on the market.
@@MonotremeFilms after this post it has been further more well pointed out everywhere on all our channels and socials, the concept remain the same, you guys have done by yourself, something that was already specifically patented and published, since 2020 ;)
Thank you very much! I have a Sony ZV-E10 and for saving costs, I would like to go for a DJI RS3 mini instead of the standard version. Do you think that would work in the same way?
Bonus question: As the Smallrig 2141 rotating NATO adapter seems to be out of production, do you think the Smallrig 2385 swivel and tilt adapter will do as well?
hey thx so much for the vid! setting my iteration up atm and it's gonna be a beast. got some great ideas from this!
Yooo - so I stumbled upon this recently - I had posted on someone elses vid as well as since i set it up without knowing someone else had or before info about this movie came out... it may be the same reason... I setup the gimbal in sport or to the stiffness right before the motors start shaking from being too stiff. The effect is that it is pretty much identical to a regular shoulder rig footage with a heavy camera. So in effect, the only function the gimbal is doing it removing micro jitters. Other than that - the gimbal head almost is completely locked off. If you look at their BTS - you can see in many instances the gimbal head almost fully tracks the camera operators physical movement.
that's probably true. I need to re watch the film again but I don't remember seeing 'floaty' scenes
The most important is that they used Kowa anamorphic lens set, it is as important as the camera body. People talk about the FX3 but its actually the lens that make such a result, with the specific bkoeh and the highlight roll off added to polarize filter to cut off the skin hight light and give this look. But yes its FX3 more budget for the DOP and better hotels for the crew.
Thanks for putting this together! It's a very interesting and creative set up they used.
Using some kind of quick release solution on the base of the gimbal (such as the F22/F38 setup from Ulanzi) might be a better solution for balancing/calibrating the gimbal before putting it on the rig and re-balancing when changing lenses
nice Idea to mount a gimbal on a Shoulder Rig. Unfortuately i sold my Shoulder Rig because i Thought i don´t need it anymore :D
Haha yeah it’s a throwback to 2012
next level rig
Great video, thank you Jonathan, i was wondering what components made up that camera rig.
8:29 when the falling effect goes almost too far! 😅 ingenious reproduction of the rig btw
The big thing is running alongside talent, the gimbal can be pivoted off-axis toward the talent. And i can even imagine flipping the rig around backwards for a sort of shoulder mounted Don Juan, relying on the gimbal and an EVF to keep things framed
Oh I love the idea of the reverse rig. I hadn’t even thought of that!
Mot brilliant idea seen for a long while! I do have most of the part at hand and should build something similar for 'semi-handheld' shots with my anamorphic lens without the pain of the gimbal weight.
Do you know what nd filter they used?
Bro...this set😍
Nice rig set up 👍
What lenses did they used???
Thank you!!!! i was looking into how just to do this myself
How do they have to use nd filters?
i wouldn't be surprised if Dji or zhiyun now makes a Dedicated Shoulder Rig version now of a gimbal
And charge 5 grand for it 😂
Interesting video, but Id really love an exact (or near exact, skip the lens) remake of their rig. The removal of the RS2 handle has a big difference on the weight distribution and handling of this rig. I really want to see how they actually kitted this up for run and gun. Might be worth renting out the remaining bits to show us in a video; thanks!
Yes, I’m curious to see how they attached the power supply base plate to the shoulder mount. The gimbal itself looks quite high off the shoulder mount. Cheese plate on rods, or an L plate of some sort?
Very easy, just need a dtap splitter, and one in usb port and then use usb a to usb c to Feed the gimbal.
You Can feed it with powerbank
Can you do this with the tilta shoulder rig and rs3 ?
Awesome, thanks!
This is amazing! its really nice, do you think it could be made with the tilta lightweight shoulder rig?
What’s the solo follow focus solution for this rig?
You’d probably want something like a tilts nano with their grip control which you could use instead of one of the handles
Curious about building this out for a doc I'll be working on. Might be worth trying to use the RS2 power base from my Alien Hydra kit.
I could see this working well for that
The fx 3 was recorded through the ninja v correct
Yeah that’s correct.
Thanks for presenting some interesting ideas. I need to try experimenting myself. Trouble with shoulder mounteing an FX3 is getting a good balance (needs camera well back) makes monitoring tricky
Yet, I always felt that shoulder mounting gave one a better chance of holding longer shots, if wanting some movement vs a more static tripod or monopod option. Gimbals can be good but difficult to manage for a sustained period without using some kind of chest mount (which is starting to look like overkill for many situations).
Def need to try. Sort of makes sense to use a gimbal too, but I think far forward mounting (better gimbal use and monitoring) fights the ethos of shoulder rigging.
70mm anamorphic similar to 35mm? I'm confused.
i think the height is the main thing, to be eye level. thanks for your vid!
personally would have used a lens support in order to support the front of the gimbal more, looks like its all flexing a bit
Lens support is another option. What I like about the nato mount is it’s a bit more solid
How would you feel about mounting this on a tripod? If you did that can you lock the gimbal arms so there’s no wobble or would you have to leave the gimbal on still? Seems similar to the Ronin 4d in this configuration but it seems like when you put the Ronin 4d on a tripod there’s still a bit of wobble when the 4d gimbal is turned off
You could turn it off and lock off the axis, you’d effectively have a solid camera body for tripod or even handheld, then unlock and turn the rs2 back on for gimbal. Saves switching I guess which is good, only negative would be swapping lenses
@@JonathanPalfreyAh that's good to know. Yeah that's a good point about swapping lenses. Guess the Samyang V-AF would be handy there (too bad the image quality is lacking)
Couldn't they have gotten rid of the micro jitters just by having the build on a normal shoulder rig? Wouldn't the gimbal version create movements which are too smooth and take away from the 'handheld' look? This is something that confuses me 😳
This is awesome!! Thank you for putting together this video!!! Gimbals are tough to hold for a long time and this shoulder mount works. I’m gonna try it now!
It'll be harder to hold like this than how they are designed to be used.
Dji Ronin 4d would also be cool but I guess the Codec or color they didn't like. Or the lenses
Great!!! Thanks bro
You coulda used a lens support to secure the gimbal battery grip
The FX3 was used with an Atlas Scope anamorphic lens to deliver an aspect ratio of 2.76:1. This is the widest possible cinema aspect ratio.
Only 89,000 dollars for a set from B+H
@@Newt211 that set should be shipped with a gym membership or at least a dose of trenbolone acetate
Wow, impressed. So curious to try this out.
What was the total cost?
Did anyone add up the price package?
Why use a shoulder mounted gimbal? Isn't it obvious? It's the simplest way to stabalize a gimbal in the vertical direction. Rather clever. Wish I thought of it.
remember the jokes about DJI 4d
@@bemboing4338 U mean ITS Not possible? ;)
@@bemboing4338 there is a flex unit that can dismount the sensor from the body - it can be used exactly the same way as any other dslr but with all the benefits of a bigger body
@@bemboing4338also if you put a plate on the bottom, the downward sensors can’t see. So the 4d axis doesn’t work.
@@bemboing4338with the flex cable, you can absolutely make it shoulder mount and reposition the alignment / height of the sensor block (to lower its orientation). This is a common misconception.
they used the expansion base kit im guessing.
Hi! Does anyone know if this would work on a DJI Ronin SC?
*NO* it’s not the rig they used. The DP posted several photos and although you’ve got the idea they used many more advanced parts and also didn’t use the battery as part of the setup. So the thumbnail is actually not true. Would have been more truthful to say it was a similar rig. 👍🏿
where can we find those pictures?
Great
you should use camera counter weights
Why is everyone confused about this set up? I don't understand this. They are using this rig as shoulder and hand held with lot's of movement. They used the gimbal set up instead of a steady cam.
Sooo.... You did in fact not build the rig from creator, you just slapped together 'a' rig to get views from the creator fx3 trend. Good job
You can put more weight on the rs2 , this is why
ATTENTION ‼️ If you just mount it on a shoulder pad like you did or if you have briefcase mode you can directly mount it on the pad and then use handles connected directly to the gimbals own nato rails then you eliminate a lot of extra stuff, it is way stronger also!
How do you focus then? 😛
Wireless follow focus which ideally would be controlled by someone else. Autofocus could work as well in certain situations
They also shoot on FX9…
Where is the atomos ninja
I'm surprised they didn't just opt for the DJI 4D camera.
Why not to use the gimbal just as it is? I can't see the advantages of this rig.
Try shooting all day. So much back fatigue with normal gimbal setups.
They worked like 16 hours at least per day. So have you ever held a gimbal for 10 hours/day for like 3 days (They might shoot this movie for a month)?
I thought they used the Ronin 2
following the Trivia section of the IMDB page of that movie, the final product is already available on the market! 👍
you're right! ;)
This video has great production value but please be more honest in your presentation. Because no, you did not 'manage to build the FX3 rig that they used on The Creator movie'. This video should rather be called 'My attempt at recreating the 'The Creator' Sony FX3 Gimbal Rig with the parts I had laying around'. You don't use the same parts or configuration. If you want to see what parts you actually need and how to set it up to recreate the rig they used for the movie check out the video
‘The Creator’ Sony FX3 ‘Octopus’ DJI RS2 Gimbal Rig Explained by OD Hunte.
Everyone pretending to build "the" rig used during this filming is either wrong or lying.
According to one of the co-Director of photography, they used TEN different rigs and set-ups for the whole production. And one of them was camera + 7" monitor, when other ones were way larger.
So... everyone can make their own opinions about the sincerity of such titles and their writers.
Next time, just take the right information from the right place : a crew member himself. Image creation is a reputation-driven world, you don't want to ruin your own in one single go with one single title.
Unless you actually want to ! 🤔
not even close
They had 12 sets of fx3 each build in a completely unique way. Stop trying to sell your little rig… lol
That’s given me an idea for 11 more videos 😉