Super helpful! Thanks for the link to the ceiling fan & fixture support. Two men at home depot sold me the wrong one....found the one you suggested in a completely different area of home depot!
When we moved into our current home I hired someone to install ceiling fans in all the rooms. He installed the cheap blue boxes. Well, here in Texas we run all the ceiling fans 24/7 during the summer. So a couple of the boxes came out from the ceiling and the fans are just dangling. I pulled up this video so my husband can watch it (even though I think, but not sure, he has done this before). I tinker with more simple repairs but am terrified of electrical currents. So hubby said he would replace the boxes this weekend. I’m sure he knows the answer to my question, but don’t want to offend his intelligence: do you turn off power to the room from main breaker? BTW. Great video! Greetings from Texas! 😻
That's unfortunate. Yeah, they need to be fan rated boxes for this reason. I always like the metal boxes as well for fans. Just inspire more confidence, lol. The main breaker will remove all power to the house. You typically don't want to do that. The smaller individual breakers can be used to remove power to rooms or branches one at a time as you work. And then some kinda of verification that the voltage is gone before you touch the wiring. I use a Klein non-contact voltage tester. www.amazon.com/Non-Contact-Detector-Klein-Tools-NCVT1P/dp/B099SJ6469 I'm from the mideast, and we like to run our fans year round, lol.
Highly recommend ordering Westinghouse Safe-T line. I use safe t pans for my entire house: they’re all metal with 70 lb fan rated and 150lb light rated! Even at the highest speed setting my fan doesn’t move at all. If you don’t need a pancake box, you could look at safe t box or safe t brace if you’re in between joists. I only install Westinghouse now. They’re a little more pricy but they’re the best and easiest to work with.
Can you link the adapter, it seems my box screw holes are turned the wrong direction, which would have my cam light facing sideways and my box is not flush bit recessed .
They also make cross bar adjustable adaptors to get your device to the correct angle regardless of how the existing holes line up.Light Fixture Mounting Bracket, Cross-Shaped Mount Bracket, Light Crossbar Bracket with Screws and Nuts, Anti-Rust Treatment, Metal Material，Rotatable and Fixed a.co/d/29oB7bP
Great video and explanation. Thank for posting. Question- how were you able to get the nails out from the old box? I believe I have that problem with the old one I am trying to remove.
Thanks! I was able to pry my nails out with the claw of a small hammer and they came out easy for me. Had that not worked I was going to use a longer pry bar to get under the head of the nail to get leverage but the hammer claw got the job done.
I appreciate your video very much. I'm attempting to install a ceiling fan and the existing box threads are 3" apart and the mounting bracket's smallest allowsnce is about 3¼". I actually drilled the bracket to make it wider but I can't help but wonder if I should not be putting in a larger box. It appears that it is easy enough to do but I wish that you would have shown up close, not in very fast speed, the actual removal of the old box. I'm a little bit nervous about no knowing step by step anf just unscrewing things and pulling the thing down. Not totally relevant but if you see this perhaps you can advise before I proceed. There's a yellow wire that's capped to a black wire that was attached to the integrated LED fixture that I took down. I can see, looking up into the box, that there's a black wire tucked way up in there that's capped off and not utilized. This leaves me in a dilemma as I don't know whether to get THAT wire down to connect to my fan and tuck the yellow one up in there after capping it or use the existing yellow to black assembly. It just seems like a very bizarre configuration to me. One of the reasons why it's confusing is that I have read that yellow wires are often used for celing fans. I cannot understand why the electrician connected the yellow to the black that came with the LED light instead of black to black. Thank you!
For ceiling fans there is sometimes and extra wire commonly called a traveler. It is used when your device is wired to 2 switches on the wall so one switch can control the light and the other fan. As for drilling the box wider I applaud your ingenuity as long as the box is securely mounted and can handle the weight should be fine. But if there's any doubt like in my case I went to the right size box that could easily handle the weight.
@@HowellHomeDIY543 Thank you very much and thank you very much for responding so rapidly! I re-watched your video and decided that I'd simply follow the directions in reverse for removing the existing one. I cannot believe that I JUST sold my hole saw drill attachments thinking I would never need them again. I'm still tentative on that yellow to black wire. It just doesn't seem right to me for some reason. I'm thinking that perhaps the yellow wire should be going directly to the black wire on the fan motor without interference from that second black wire. I think I figured out how to get the box out well and I'll just get another hole saw while I'm at the hardware store. Thank you very much for your help! 🙂
No problem. I've seen extra traveler wires be yellow blue or red. Just depends on the brand and when it was installed. In your case where your not sure whats what maybe take a peak behind the wall switch cover and see if you can match it up and test with voltmeter etc. Oh also in 3 way switches I've seen it. Where you have 2 switches on like opposite sides of the room etc. So both switches can turn the device on and off. Those also require an extra traveler wire. I don't have any videos on that yet but should give you some stuff to look for on YT to level up your DIY IQ. Lol. Thanks for checking out my vid!
I have good success with the diablo brand for my DIY stuff. I have used spider Milwaukee and diablo and some no name stuff. Diablo stood out the most to me for price quality and features.
It will be a 4" circle or octagon box. But that's not the more important factor. What your looking for is that it is listed as a fan rated box, lists the weight it supports and uses the larger #10 screws.
It's just a fancy artistic swirl pattern done in cocentric circles or spirals. I know it was really popular here in NC and VA in the 90's after popcorn textures started going out of style. It pays homage to Victorian style of circular rose medallions around central chandelier lighting fixtures in a room. I'm not sure there's any specific name for it other than being a circular swirl texture done in a deliberate pattern.
I did not. My city does not require the homeowner to obtain a permit to replace existing electrical receptacles etc. They do require it for adding or moving electrical, ie. new wiring. Check your city's .gov page for where you live if you want to see what's required in your area. Sounds like to me you were correcting an issue in an existing location and bringing it up to code, as no box for a lightning fixture would fail any new construction nec code.
Excellent and thank you. I just installed the round mini box, but used blue plastic - DON'T RECCOMEND THESE because 1. the romex/elect line hole extends like 1/2 inch upward causing an issue around the joist (dumb manufacturer and nearly blows the point of having a shallow box-Duh!) 2. they also put micro joist lines of plastic so you can 'line up the joist' dumb again, I had to pull/slice them off to get flush to the joist AGAIN since it is a shall space. I will not choose blue plastic on these in the future - I will use metal. But my question if you have time since we did not see the light/fan install - shouldn't the wire connections fit as much as possible into the box? vs hanging below the elec. box on top of the light/fan section?
No problem. As far as I know the blue plastic "pancake" boxes are new work boxes, intended for new construction. Where as this metal version I used is labeled as old/new work so can be used in new construction or retrofit/remodel. I always look for the term "old work" when needing electrical stuff for remodeling existing stuff. I usually leave as much romex wire and the wire nuts in the box as I can as it's solid core wire and less flexible. But yes most fixtures include a cavity or mount with cover that offers plenty of room to house the wiring as well. In my case the fan/chandelier I installed also includes a remote controller housed in the fixture upper with plenty of room for the wiring. Even the flush mount led light I installed in my bathroom the other day had a cavity to house the wires and wire nut connections, vice having to shove them up in the box so you have options.
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Good video, quick and to the point 🤙🏾
Appreciate it!
Super helpful! Thanks for the link to the ceiling fan & fixture support. Two men at home depot sold me the wrong one....found the one you suggested in a completely different area of home depot!
Awesome glad it helped yeah iirc it was on a random spot on an aisle end.
What size box I should get for a 70lb ceiling fan
When we moved into our current home I hired someone to install ceiling fans in all the rooms. He installed the cheap blue boxes. Well, here in Texas we run all the ceiling fans 24/7 during the summer. So a couple of the boxes came out from the ceiling and the fans are just dangling. I pulled up this video so my husband can watch it (even though I think, but not sure, he has done this before). I tinker with more simple repairs but am terrified of electrical currents. So hubby said he would replace the boxes this weekend. I’m sure he knows the answer to my question, but don’t want to offend his intelligence: do you turn off power to the room from main breaker? BTW. Great video! Greetings from Texas! 😻
That's unfortunate. Yeah, they need to be fan rated boxes for this reason. I always like the metal boxes as well for fans. Just inspire more confidence, lol. The main breaker will remove all power to the house. You typically don't want to do that. The smaller individual breakers can be used to remove power to rooms or branches one at a time as you work. And then some kinda of verification that the voltage is gone before you touch the wiring. I use a Klein non-contact voltage tester. www.amazon.com/Non-Contact-Detector-Klein-Tools-NCVT1P/dp/B099SJ6469
I'm from the mideast, and we like to run our fans year round, lol.
Highly recommend ordering Westinghouse Safe-T line. I use safe t pans for my entire house: they’re all metal with 70 lb fan rated and 150lb light rated! Even at the highest speed setting my fan doesn’t move at all.
If you don’t need a pancake box, you could look at safe t box or safe t brace if you’re in between joists. I only install Westinghouse now. They’re a little more pricy but they’re the best and easiest to work with.
Can you link the adapter, it seems my box screw holes are turned the wrong direction, which would have my cam light facing sideways and my box is not flush bit recessed .
There's a link just need the right size one for your box 3 or 4 inch usually.
They also make cross bar adjustable adaptors to get your device to the correct angle regardless of how the existing holes line up.Light Fixture Mounting Bracket, Cross-Shaped Mount Bracket, Light Crossbar Bracket with Screws and Nuts, Anti-Rust Treatment, Metal Material，Rotatable and Fixed a.co/d/29oB7bP
Thank you
@@wepete68 no prob!
Great video and explanation. Thank for posting. Question- how were you able to get the nails out from the old box? I believe I have that problem with the old one I am trying to remove.
Thanks! I was able to pry my nails out with the claw of a small hammer and they came out easy for me. Had that not worked I was going to use a longer pry bar to get under the head of the nail to get leverage but the hammer claw got the job done.
I appreciate your video very much. I'm attempting to install a ceiling fan and the existing box threads are 3" apart and the mounting bracket's smallest allowsnce is about 3¼". I actually drilled the bracket to make it wider but I can't help but wonder if I should not be putting in a larger box. It appears that it is easy enough to do but I wish that you would have shown up close, not in very fast speed, the actual removal of the old box. I'm a little bit nervous about no knowing step by step anf just unscrewing things and pulling the thing down.
Not totally relevant but if you see this perhaps you can advise before I proceed. There's a yellow wire that's capped to a black wire that was attached to the integrated LED fixture that I took down. I can see, looking up into the box, that there's a black wire tucked way up in there that's capped off and not utilized. This leaves me in a dilemma as I don't know whether to get THAT wire down to connect to my fan and tuck the yellow one up in there after capping it or use the existing yellow to black assembly. It just seems like a very bizarre configuration to me. One of the reasons why it's confusing is that I have read that yellow wires are often used for celing fans. I cannot understand why the electrician connected the yellow to the black that came with the LED light instead of black to black.
Thank you!
For ceiling fans there is sometimes and extra wire commonly called a traveler. It is used when your device is wired to 2 switches on the wall so one switch can control the light and the other fan. As for drilling the box wider I applaud your ingenuity as long as the box is securely mounted and can handle the weight should be fine. But if there's any doubt like in my case I went to the right size box that could easily handle the weight.
@@HowellHomeDIY543
Thank you very much and thank you very much for responding so rapidly!
I re-watched your video and decided that I'd simply follow the directions in reverse for removing the existing one. I cannot believe that I JUST sold my hole saw drill attachments thinking I would never need them again.
I'm still tentative on that yellow to black wire. It just doesn't seem right to me for some reason. I'm thinking that perhaps the yellow wire should be going directly to the black wire on the fan motor without interference from that second black wire.
I think I figured out how to get the box out well and I'll just get another hole saw while I'm at the hardware store.
Thank you very much for your help!
🙂
No problem. I've seen extra traveler wires be yellow blue or red. Just depends on the brand and when it was installed. In your case where your not sure whats what maybe take a peak behind the wall switch cover and see if you can match it up and test with voltmeter etc. Oh also in 3 way switches I've seen it. Where you have 2 switches on like opposite sides of the room etc. So both switches can turn the device on and off. Those also require an extra traveler wire. I don't have any videos on that yet but should give you some stuff to look for on YT to level up your DIY IQ. Lol. Thanks for checking out my vid!
Thanks homie!
You got it, figured this would be a helpful one.
How did you take out the disc from the ceiling fan box? One of the three holes from where the white wire came out
It's called a knockout. You can use a screwdriver or punch and tap it out by hand or with a hammer etc.
Sick dude
Thanks 😊
Thanks for posting
No problem!
What's a quality hole saw to purchase?
I have good success with the diablo brand for my DIY stuff. I have used spider Milwaukee and diablo and some no name stuff. Diablo stood out the most to me for price quality and features.
Regarding your ground wire... you connected to the pan box than will you connect it also to the ceiling fan light's ground? Thanks.
Correct metal boxes must be bonded to ground then you ground your device as well.
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Thanks man!
No prob!
I would like to know what size box i need for a 70 pound ceiling fan
It will be a 4" circle or octagon box. But that's not the more important factor. What your looking for is that it is listed as a fan rated box, lists the weight it supports and uses the larger #10 screws.
Thanks for posting this. Which brand hole saw did you use?
No problem. I think it's a Milwaukee or Diablo hole saw I got from home depot. You could use a drywall handsaw as well.
What is the style of ceiling called? The painted patterns.
It's just a fancy artistic swirl pattern done in cocentric circles or spirals. I know it was really popular here in NC and VA in the 90's after popcorn textures started going out of style. It pays homage to Victorian style of circular rose medallions around central chandelier lighting fixtures in a room. I'm not sure there's any specific name for it other than being a circular swirl texture done in a deliberate pattern.
Great video thank you for posting this ! I’m subscribing to you 😊😊😊
Awesome, thank you!
Do you need a permit for this? I added a box on an outdoor light that had no junction box on a older house..Thanks
I did not. My city does not require the homeowner to obtain a permit to replace existing electrical receptacles etc. They do require it for adding or moving electrical, ie. new wiring. Check your city's .gov page for where you live if you want to see what's required in your area. Sounds like to me you were correcting an issue in an existing location and bringing it up to code, as no box for a lightning fixture would fail any new construction nec code.
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No problem.
I love how your joist has become swiss cheese over the years.
I know right...
Excellent and thank you. I just installed the round mini box, but used blue plastic - DON'T RECCOMEND THESE because 1. the romex/elect line hole extends like 1/2 inch upward causing an issue around the joist (dumb manufacturer and nearly blows the point of having a shallow box-Duh!) 2. they also put micro joist lines of plastic so you can 'line up the joist' dumb again, I had to pull/slice them off to get flush to the joist AGAIN since it is a shall space. I will not choose blue plastic on these in the future - I will use metal. But my question if you have time since we did not see the light/fan install - shouldn't the wire connections fit as much as possible into the box? vs hanging below the elec. box on top of the light/fan section?
No problem. As far as I know the blue plastic "pancake" boxes are new work boxes, intended for new construction. Where as this metal version I used is labeled as old/new work so can be used in new construction or retrofit/remodel. I always look for the term "old work" when needing electrical stuff for remodeling existing stuff. I usually leave as much romex wire and the wire nuts in the box as I can as it's solid core wire and less flexible. But yes most fixtures include a cavity or mount with cover that offers plenty of room to house the wiring as well. In my case the fan/chandelier I installed also includes a remote controller housed in the fixture upper with plenty of room for the wiring. Even the flush mount led light I installed in my bathroom the other day had a cavity to house the wires and wire nut connections, vice having to shove them up in the box so you have options.
Thank you!
Welcome!
Those are rates for ceiling fans
Correct its designed for fans or light fixtures. Link is in the description with more info.
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