I love Dick as much as the next person but Jason is a very important character to me and I kinda wish Brave and The Bold was gonna have him in it instead of Damian
Yeah that was a thing waaaay before the current run. It’s been a feature since his time as Batman and using memory cloth (before the Nolan movies) for his and Damian’s capes.
Been reading that run since day one and it’s amazing the art from Bruno redondo and writing from Tom Taylor gives such a freshness to the character and is one of the only comic runs that are good at the minute
@@FelixJackson-vz6yp ... it's nowhere near one of the only runs that are good, why do people always feel the need to act like modern comics aren't good? Immortal Thor, G.O.D.S., Rise of the Powers of X, Avengers: Twilight, Green Arrow, it's looking good for all three new Ultimate series', and a bunch more
It would be so nice if they kept Dick's personality from young justice, how he always played with words, and humour being more witty and a jokester than super serious. It really helped add contrast to the moments when he really does lock in and get serious. It's almost like he does it purposefully to be underestimated by his opponents
Dick calling Bruce ‘Dad’ at some point is an absolute must. I’m honestly not a fan of when their separation is made some huge fallout or their relationship becoming antagonistic or bitter in any way. I will always prefer Dick simply wanting to become his own man after enough time and both of them having nothing but support and admiration for one another. Dick wasn’t simply raised by Bruce (really both were raised by Alfred, as are most of the Batfamily to be completely honest), as both grew and taught each other how to become better people. Bruce taught Dick responsibility and maturity while Dick teaches Bruce to be more compassionate and trusting.
Bruh, pls no, it feels so special they have a father-son bond without taking it too far. Bruce didn’t want to adopt him because Grayson has a father that he cherishes and celebrate who taught him a ton and helped shape him before Bruce came along. Maybe he calls him a father like in 2003 Teen Titans but we don’t need anything like in the issue that takes place after DCOIE during their “special moment” where he asked Bruce if he was ready.
@@Artryom Bruh? There have been numerous times throughout the years where they’ve referred to one another as father and son. With most of the time it being when Dick is Nightwing, with enough time having passed for Dick to grow wise enough to fully appreciate Bruce’s guidance and how the relationship has impacted both their lives. Much like how younger people may take time to adjust before calling their guardians through adoption or step-parents through marriage something more familial and sentimental. Plus, depending on the continuity, with Dick’s parents typically having passed when he was ages 8-12, Bruce has been present for just as long and in some cases longer in his life as his birth father was. Similar to how Alfred’s been Bruce’s father for the better part of 20+ years. Overall, Dick calling Bruce his ‘Dad’ doesn’t erase the memories and love Dick has for his birth parents.
@@StevenJG Bruh? I mean, you can count on a single hand how many times they've done that through practically a century filled with stories together but you make a fair point about the adoption and step-parent part despite those being case by case for each situation. My point is, hopefully they don't fill it up to the brim with that, it's something unique about their unspoken familial bond that's more than simply Mentor and Mentee. Lowkey it kind of does, iirc it's exactly like erasing his fond memories of them that fuels his origin story and replaces his father with Bruce. I'm trying to remember where Bruce admits to feeling like that and not officially adopting him for the longest. I get that a big part of his development is not allowing the trauma of that night slow him down or add to his stories and flaws like Bruce but John and Mary deserve to mean something more to him, it's one of the things that makes him more similar and relatable to Bruce. He can appreciate Bruce's guidance and support without calling him dad too.
@@ArtryomI think for it to occur in a moment like when he thinks Bruce is about to die or when Dick is delirious or something wouldn’t be awful, but to do it casually would be wack; it would have to be a huge character moment. Moreso “you’re like a father to me” than “hey dad!”
@@fewntug3760 Exactly, bingo! Dude above didn't understand my point, it should be something grand and important than a moment like "Hey, daddio!" Or a point where Grayson throws it around willy nilly.
words cannot express how hyped I got when I heard 'hey you got all that' 'loud and clear baby!' it was the most nightwing response/fight ending I've ever heard.
Blockbuster got the Waternoose treatment, and it was great. Now I'm just imagining his last scene in the movie is being taken to jail and he's like, "I own this city! I'll be out in no time!" And this one cop comes into his cell and says, "Hello Mr. Desmond, I'm with the IRS- I'd like to ask you some things." Blockbuster starts freaking the hell out like "NO! NO, NOT THE IRS! NO PLEASE, ANYTHING BUT THAT!"
24:05 to 26:00. That moment made me actually tear up. It’s such a beautiful description of both Batman’s empathy and his relationship with the Bat-family. Genuinely AMAZING work Troy, don’t EVER let anyone tell you otherwise!
I REALLY want a Nightwing movie in James’s universe. Like imagine Nightwing going on adventures of Bludhaven, asking Bruce for advice on how be his own hero, seeing his and Barbara’s relationship (still pissed about her movie being canceled)
It wouldn’t make sense for him to ask Bruce how to be his own hero when he’s trying to get out of his shadow.🤣 Which is why he goes to Superman sometimes for the advice mostly. Such as in Tom Taylor’s run before Superman entrust Jon’s mentorship to him. One of the primary reasons for him becoming Nightwing is so he’s out of Bruce’s shadow and one of his deepest fears is inheriting Bruce’s core flaws. The distrust, loneliness and the lack of care of going down even the darkest paths simply to “win”. Young Justice did it pretty alright, the comics did it better. Adventures in Blüdhaven is great.
@@GingeryGinger Not how he was written at the time the arc was going on. I agree, people need to look deeper and see how conpassionate, heroic and how focused Bruce is with Justice and giving back to those he protect in other ways like his endless donations as himself in Gotham but 80-90% of the time when working with others that's how he's portrayed since the 80s. Comic book Batman isn't Adam west's Batman. Tower of Babel is the greatest example but yk. Nobody said Batman's the bad option, did I? Just isn't the option for Grayson. Well, adopting Batman's personality, not the mantle again btw. Too many folks is still hung up when that's changed. He is willing to take up the mantle.
@@GingeryGinger nightwing is a lot better hero or person that batman/bruce, and bruce himself admits that, so that thing of "batman is the bad option to become like" es true and bruce himself knows that and don´t wants his kids to be like him, he wants them to be better
I'd rather see him and Starfire's relationship. She was integral to him becoming Nightwing anyway. The DCAMU managed to make the relationships work even after he left the Teen Titans. Barbara was originally older than Dick so their whole relationship is icky to me.
I was disappointed with the lack of Titans connection with Deathstroke, but I’m glad you teased it at the end. I think that Deathstroke’s relationship with Terra should stick to being paternal rather than the creepy thing that it was in the comics😬 Maybe even similar to Silco and Jinx in Arcane where it feels kinda creepy, but they truly only see each other as father and daughter and nothing else.
This, YJ did the best version of it! And it makes Deathstroke's shift to Anti-Villain or neutral character a bit more palatable. "Does it matter?" Headass
Nightwing has been my favorite superhero since i was a kid, even wrote and illustrated a comic for him to bring to show and tell in first grade lmfao so this is a rlly nice surprise
Hey man if you're seeing this, I want you to know that your videos and your form of content creation and your humor and passion and character all make it so much easier and more fun to be a comic book fan. It's your heart that makes it so that everything is pushed aside and I can simply enjoy these characters and their stories, and their legacy. Thank you, for making me feel safe enjoying my favorite characters and plotlines.
As a genuine nightwing Stan for as long as I can remember, you truly encapsulated everything I personally love about the character. I’d kill for this to be a real movie lmao, great video.
I hope James Gunn gets this casting right because I believe Nightwing is a very important and vital character for the DCU to work based off of what it seems like he wants to do.
So, comic book relationships can be hit and miss, but in the case of Nightwing I think his relationships have been really fun to read, mostly. My question is are you more of a Dick and Barbara fan or Dick with Kory? I'm personally more of a fan with him and Barbara.
11:02 This one hit me like a ton of bricks. I’ve been holding myself to the standards of my younger self who was stronger, more athletic, better in mind, and smarter, but fell off on all of that due to just…life. Best I can boil it down to. But the goal isn’t to be my younger self all at once, but to just be a better version of me NOW over time. And that’s enough. Great video as always man!
man the act about being smarter hits me. as a kid i remember in fucking 7th grade being like 6th grader me was more ahrdowrking, and thinking the same in 8th grade, 9th all the way to 11th. then i just fell off lmao. bad habits overpowered the good haha. but its bad to wallow in self-critique
Love your content, and as a big Nightwing fan, I loved your pitch here, especially the using his time as Robin as flashbacks and not just a thing mentioned now and then. I think it hits a great middle ground.
My middle name is Grayson after my Dad’s favorite comic character for his whole life, I’m becoming an actor probably because of my fantasy of playing Nightwing haha this is awesome and captures what’s so endearing about this character
As someone who doesn’t know dick about Dick, I love how your writing focuses on the themes and developments of the character. And your thoughts on perfectionism and expectations really hit home for me. If you do make that Teen Titans vid tho, I’m tuning in asap 👀
this video was a real treat man. I genuinely feel like everytime you make one of these you really know your stuff and try your best and know what makes the character them. Well done!
A really good Nightwing-Batman relationship is in the show young justice. It was less of a falling out and more of a natural progression. Of course Dick wasn’t gonna stay Robin, and Bruce knew this and wanted him to become something more than Robin. A better version of himself. You know, what fathers should want for their sons. Highly suggest
BROOOO OMG that was sooooo so good! Better than I anticipated for a fan film. This had me tearing up and hype af! Nightwing is my favorite character (right there with bat and supes) it has always been my dream to play live action Nightwing. Great script!!
Thank you so much for the video! I always love thinking about Dick... Grayson. I gotta admit whenever I think about the inevitable parting of ways between Nightwing and Batman I never really imagine it as a shouting match. Maybe it's because I always view Batman as someone very stoic, who can only ever be mad with himself and would just never allow him that kind of emotional release... and that kind of thing is the very thing that bothers Dick so much. I always thought the central conflict between the two when they really part ways is that Batman, whether he knew it or not, was training Dick to replace him and Dick was initially on board for that but as he got older and saw and understood more about Bruce, he realized he just couldn't be that. Bruce will always put the mission above all else. He values people, and life and friendships but when it comes down the wire... Bruce will sacrifice himself on the alter of the mission. And Dick doesn't want that, he knows that over time it just leads to being alone. That's another thing that I think seperates the two in a really good way. Dick makes friends with intense ease but Bruce always wants to keep people at arms length. Is Clark a friend or a colleague? Clark would definitely call them friends but... Bruce doesn't want to frame it that way. So... what am I building up to? If there's one thing that this pitch maybe coud use it's an intiallzing incident for the character conflict between Bruce and Dick. What makes it so that the little things that have built up over their whole relationship need to be acted on now? Barbara getting hurt. Adapting Killing Joke is... 10 miles of hard road for even the most talented people but I think that would really crystalize everything coming together. It even would give Dick and Barbara something weirdly in common at this time in their life. They're both figuring out who they are outside of the context Bruce gave them. Dick by choice, Barbara less so. That's why Barbara is in Dick's corner so hard right now. She knows what's it's like to have to rediscover yourself, and she gets to learn a little too. I also think it's worth noting, I think Dick leaving is also a good opportunity for Bruce's character growth. Realizing that the way he works does add up to being alone if left on a long enough timeline... And he shouldn't want the people in his life to necessarily follow directly in his footsteps. He should want them to be their own people. But yeah, I've also had 8 billion thoughts about adapting Nightwing in a big budget context so your video just brought a lot of them back to the surface. Thaks again, here's to your next video and the RUclips Algorytm being kind. All the engagemens go!
Very well said. I’ve been trying my best to write a script and the thing that I struggled with the most is the conflict between Bruce and Dick. I love this.
While watching towards the end I was just thinking to myself “please put a scene where nightwing throws his baton behind batman please put-“ And then he does it to Blockbuster and I’m like “YEAAAHHHHH”
Nightwing deserves a movie. And yeah you should totally make a teen titans pitch. Also maybe pitches for other characters in the bat family like jason todd
Well, he is my favourite comic book character of all time so I can't express how grateful I am for this. As Robin, Tim Drake is my favourite and the one I grew up reading and Dick is to me more iconic as Nightwing.
I always enjoy seeing other people's ideas. This was dope and Warner needs to start paying attention. Hell even use these platforms to hire talent like this.
Dick is my favourite DC character, everything from his charisma, his fighting style, his growth. And this video does a great job of showing how Dick grows into Nightwing, and honestly having Deathstroke as the first big bad, besides Blockbuster is a great move. And I agree a lot of reimaginings of Bruce and the relationship with the rest of the family, feel like they only show him as objectively right or wrong, rather than showing that they both have naturally understandable and human reasons for feeling the way they do
It took me a while to look for actors to play nightwing, and I finally found him Joel Oulette as Nightwing. I had never heard of him until now. If you watch Avatar, the Last Airbender, he played this leadership role and who can sacrifice himself for other people, so yeah, Joel Oulette as Nightwing
Hey Troy. Got a lot to say, all positive. Troy, as of late, I think I’m confident in saying you’re my favorite person on the platform. Not only do you have fresh, unique takes on different heroes that I, even though I’m not really that much of a comic book fan, have never seen before. You also bring heart to every topic you cover. That’s really what I like about this channel. There’s so much raw heart to it. Pointing out flaws of the topics you’re covering despite your clear love for them. You manage to inspire me, as a writer, to grow and be better at building consistent, well structured stories. And as a writer, I want to address the last part of the video. I struggle with my writing. Every word is hard to squeeze out of myself. I don’t really have an audience of readers, just a few friends, but I dedicate literal years of my life to writing out big novels, bigger than some well-known books. And I struggle with every word I write because… I have no idea whether I’m good enough. Whether what I write people would find engaging and want to stick with reading. But I’ve been told by a friend that… if your writing has heart and soul put into it, the reader or the viewer will be able to see that and enjoy the story, whether it’s good, okay or kinda bad. At the end of the day, it’s all in the heart. And I can see that your heart is big and passionate. I hope you take care of yourself well. And I hope the last part of this long comment helped you in one way or another. -Love, Jody (don’t ask me why I do this at the end of comments, I just think it’s kinda cute)
Thank you for making this! These characters mean a lot to me and clearly they do to you as well, you captured my favourite part of who these characters truly are. Batman is a father first and foremost and genuinely cares about the people around him, and it's nice to see that you see that about him. Maybe I'm just over emotional but I actually got choked up a couple times while listening to this. It was an incredible pitch for some of the greatest characters ever created. So thank you for creating it!
25:01 I cried at this part cause it describes my own relationship with most of my family members. Especially my father and grandfather since I'm expected to be the tough masculine type they were. I guess it just brought up some buried feelings.
Hey man. I just wanted to tell you this is absolutely my favorite video of yours. This is phenomenal and I absolutely hope that something like this turns out to be the case. You have an absolute knack for this and your videos always make my day better
This video was just perfect, thanks for always makin' bangers Troy! Oh, and please for the love of all that is good, a Teen Titans script would be SO sick!!
I know my opinion is not wanted or needed but my favourite fan cast is my brother he’s in university studying acting and he is so amazing he got the whole audience crying with this scene where (he was the main character grieving the death of his wife) he was standing over his wife’s tombstone and sat on his knees and started crying and the main reason I chose him as my fan cast was because by the time he’s out of university he will be 20 and he’s got a mullet and he loves night wing he’s really obsessed with him TLDR: my brother is my fan cast because he’s literally everything troyoboyo17 wants nightwing to be
My sister actually has an interesting interpretation of why Bruce doesn’t let Dick come on extremely dangerous missions. She thinks that it’s not that Bruce doesn’t want to loose anyone else again (that’s for Tim after loosing Jason) it’s more about Bruce not wanting Dick to loose anyone else.
This has been the DC movie I've wanted for years, Nightwing is my favorite DC character alongside Batgirl, I can't wait to hopefully see this movie someday! :D
This was pretty great. I had an idea for a kinda Nightwing origin story of my own recently so watching this and seeing how different it is was really cool (Mine took a decent amount of inspiration from Black Mirror). Great pitch
Hey bro, I love your Nightwing movie pitch for James Gunn’s DCU. For the casting, I would love to see Hero Fiennes Tiffin for the role of Dick Grayson/Nightwing. Even though it was interesting to find out the character is Romani from his mother’s side. But Hero can play the humble, sweet, understanding, and can do action scenes. For Barbara Gordon/Oracle, I would love to see Nancy Drew’s actress Kennedy McMann take on the role. Anyways, nice job on your Nightwing pitch and have a Happy New Year! 🎈🎊🎆
I’ve been genuinely so excited for this! As a huge Nightwing fan and a fan of your prewrites/rewrites - im ecstatic! (I also grew my hair into a mullet because of him 🫶)
I fucks wit this. I think you really capture that complicated relationship relationship that Dick and Bruce have at the start of Dick leaving. There is love there. They're both just not the greatest at either expressing it or seeing it from the other's perspective. But once they do, it becomes something better. I love Dick Grayson, and I really hope we get a movie or a show in this new universe.
Aaaaah, loves this videos. They are like a book but more engaging, but bland enough to where i can image all the scenes in my head. Feels good, i like it. I like that my head plays movies in my head
I dont really like how dependant Dick is to Bruce in this pitch. It’s a Nightwing film not a team up. Although i do think this is a great idea for a film i would like something else for Nightwing. If this were a real pitch i would think its a pitch for “Batman and Nightwing”. A study into the relationship between Bruce and Dick. A Nightwing film should be much more independent from Bruce.
@@Elephantsaresupreme i understand. But my point is a movie solely titled Nightwing shouldn’t be an origin film. Batman is so important to Dick that his origins cannot be done in a solo film. It just feels wrong to me
You never fail to deliver Just picturing everything with your story telling, really would result in something awesome Someone who understands the character 💪🔥 Happy new year chaps
Incredible video. I love the heart you put into this. You didn't specifically call them out, but the nods to moments in the Dixon run, Tom Taylor run, Young Justice ("So he wouldn't") were inspired. Looking forward to a Teen Titans follow up!
There's a question that needs to be answered before EVERYTHING: Mullet? I hope you give this matter the serious treatment it deserves. the mullet question is addressed 6 minutes into the video, I feel satisfied
Wasn't Dick's "Romani heritage" pretty much a one-off thing? Yeah, it has been occasionally re-introduced since then, but it never really amounts to anything, nor do I think it should. For over 60 years beforehand, literally since his introduction, Dick's ethnic background had been broadly Caucasian and I think that's perfectly fine. Otherwise, this was a fine pitch for a Grayson story. Perhaps I would focus on making your Bruce a bit more unique though. In the current version, he really feels like your most "basic" Batman and I think you'd want your viewers to connect with both sides of the "Bruce/Dick" conflict a little more. Also... doesn't the story feel a bit like a light version of Daredevil?
it was alright, i'm kinda unsatisfied with the end. It's established early on that he's messy and physically inferior and keeps getting saved by batman, I wish by the end he reached a point where he was very skilled and able to take down, either deathstroke or the other guy with skill as well as smarts. He just keeps consistently losing physical battles. if it wasn't going to be resolved then why establish it at all?
I want to tell you this right now. I have never EVER heard a story pitch(and I've heard a lot of them through videos or just my friends and family discussing stories) that I have fully agreed with. Your writing and storytelling was incredible even down to the small details. I've even had discussions with people about how the new Nightwing should be Romani and that they should have Romani culture consultants or Romani writers to help authentically represent that side of Dick and somehow have that play into the message of the main story. Also Oracle should be played by an actress with chronic pain that uses a wheelchair in real life. This way she could stand for some flashback scenes and then they can cut to a stunt double fighting. The way you portrayed every character in your story(especially Nightwing) showed me that you live up to your title and you indeed are a fanboy and I geniunley hope that if James Gunn doesn't get you in the writer's room that he gets someone like you. You should definitely try to get in touch with him.
25:36 I think it would be cool to mention Jason Todd in this scene, maybe something like "I cant lose one of my sons, not again" just to set up red hood in a future movie
Happy New Year everyone! I know it’s been a while but I’m finally back with another Prewrite. Let me know, who’s your favorite Bat-Family member?
I love Dick as much as the next person but Jason is a very important character to me and I kinda wish Brave and The Bold was gonna have him in it instead of Damian
Nightwing is my fave, his history as Robin to Nightwing to becoming Batman is Incredible.
I’ve always been partial to Tim Drake
Nightwings my favourite but aside from him I'd probably go Batgirl
(Purple suit obviously
Bat-hound
Fun fact, in the current comic run he actually does have the wings. They’re retractable, but he uses them occasionally
Yeah that was a thing waaaay before the current run. It’s been a feature since his time as Batman and using memory cloth (before the Nolan movies) for his and Damian’s capes.
He’s had wings in his suit for 30 years
Finally someone talking about itttt
Been reading that run since day one and it’s amazing the art from Bruno redondo and writing from Tom Taylor gives such a freshness to the character and is one of the only comic runs that are good at the minute
@@FelixJackson-vz6yp ... it's nowhere near one of the only runs that are good, why do people always feel the need to act like modern comics aren't good? Immortal Thor, G.O.D.S., Rise of the Powers of X, Avengers: Twilight, Green Arrow, it's looking good for all three new Ultimate series', and a bunch more
The whole "You're sloppy" running line throughout this was used SO WELL
Really shows Nightwing’s personality at the end lol
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I literally laughed when he said that
It would be so nice if they kept Dick's personality from young justice, how he always played with words, and humour being more witty and a jokester than super serious. It really helped add contrast to the moments when he really does lock in and get serious.
It's almost like he does it purposefully to be underestimated by his opponents
Dick calling Bruce ‘Dad’ at some point is an absolute must. I’m honestly not a fan of when their separation is made some huge fallout or their relationship becoming antagonistic or bitter in any way. I will always prefer Dick simply wanting to become his own man after enough time and both of them having nothing but support and admiration for one another.
Dick wasn’t simply raised by Bruce (really both were raised by Alfred, as are most of the Batfamily to be completely honest), as both grew and taught each other how to become better people. Bruce taught Dick responsibility and maturity while Dick teaches Bruce to be more compassionate and trusting.
Bruh, pls no, it feels so special they have a father-son bond without taking it too far. Bruce didn’t want to adopt him because Grayson has a father that he cherishes and celebrate who taught him a ton and helped shape him before Bruce came along. Maybe he calls him a father like in 2003 Teen Titans but we don’t need anything like in the issue that takes place after DCOIE during their “special moment” where he asked Bruce if he was ready.
@@Artryom Bruh? There have been numerous times throughout the years where they’ve referred to one another as father and son. With most of the time it being when Dick is Nightwing, with enough time having passed for Dick to grow wise enough to fully appreciate Bruce’s guidance and how the relationship has impacted both their lives. Much like how younger people may take time to adjust before calling their guardians through adoption or step-parents through marriage something more familial and sentimental.
Plus, depending on the continuity, with Dick’s parents typically having passed when he was ages 8-12, Bruce has been present for just as long and in some cases longer in his life as his birth father was. Similar to how Alfred’s been Bruce’s father for the better part of 20+ years.
Overall, Dick calling Bruce his ‘Dad’ doesn’t erase the memories and love Dick has for his birth parents.
@@StevenJG Bruh? I mean, you can count on a single hand how many times they've done that through practically a century filled with stories together but you make a fair point about the adoption and step-parent part despite those being case by case for each situation. My point is, hopefully they don't fill it up to the brim with that, it's something unique about their unspoken familial bond that's more than simply Mentor and Mentee.
Lowkey it kind of does, iirc it's exactly like erasing his fond memories of them that fuels his origin story and replaces his father with Bruce. I'm trying to remember where Bruce admits to feeling like that and not officially adopting him for the longest. I get that a big part of his development is not allowing the trauma of that night slow him down or add to his stories and flaws like Bruce but John and Mary deserve to mean something more to him, it's one of the things that makes him more similar and relatable to Bruce.
He can appreciate Bruce's guidance and support without calling him dad too.
@@ArtryomI think for it to occur in a moment like when he thinks Bruce is about to die or when Dick is delirious or something wouldn’t be awful, but to do it casually would be wack; it would have to be a huge character moment.
Moreso “you’re like a father to me” than “hey dad!”
@@fewntug3760 Exactly, bingo! Dude above didn't understand my point, it should be something grand and important than a moment like "Hey, daddio!" Or a point where Grayson throws it around willy nilly.
I love the balanced take on their relationship, with neither of them being fully wrong but both needing some space
words cannot express how hyped I got when I heard
'hey you got all that'
'loud and clear baby!'
it was the most nightwing response/fight ending I've ever heard.
Blockbuster got the Waternoose treatment, and it was great.
Now I'm just imagining his last scene in the movie is being taken to jail and he's like, "I own this city! I'll be out in no time!"
And this one cop comes into his cell and says, "Hello Mr. Desmond, I'm with the IRS- I'd like to ask you some things."
Blockbuster starts freaking the hell out like "NO! NO, NOT THE IRS! NO PLEASE, ANYTHING BUT THAT!"
The "sloppy" pay off was a really nice touch
I love sloppy
24:05 to 26:00.
That moment made me actually tear up. It’s such a beautiful description of both Batman’s empathy and his relationship with the Bat-family.
Genuinely AMAZING work Troy, don’t EVER let anyone tell you otherwise!
I REALLY want a Nightwing movie in James’s universe. Like imagine Nightwing going on adventures of Bludhaven, asking Bruce for advice on how be his own hero, seeing his and Barbara’s relationship (still pissed about her movie being canceled)
It wouldn’t make sense for him to ask Bruce how to be his own hero when he’s trying to get out of his shadow.🤣 Which is why he goes to Superman sometimes for the advice mostly. Such as in Tom Taylor’s run before Superman entrust Jon’s mentorship to him. One of the primary reasons for him becoming Nightwing is so he’s out of Bruce’s shadow and one of his deepest fears is inheriting Bruce’s core flaws. The distrust, loneliness and the lack of care of going down even the darkest paths simply to “win”. Young Justice did it pretty alright, the comics did it better. Adventures in Blüdhaven is great.
@@Artryomnightwing stories are great but imo that whole ‘Batman is the bad option to become like’ is pretty misrepresentative of the actual Batman.
@@GingeryGinger Not how he was written at the time the arc was going on. I agree, people need to look deeper and see how conpassionate, heroic and how focused Bruce is with Justice and giving back to those he protect in other ways like his endless donations as himself in Gotham but 80-90% of the time when working with others that's how he's portrayed since the 80s. Comic book Batman isn't Adam west's Batman. Tower of Babel is the greatest example but yk. Nobody said Batman's the bad option, did I? Just isn't the option for Grayson. Well, adopting Batman's personality, not the mantle again btw. Too many folks is still hung up when that's changed. He is willing to take up the mantle.
@@GingeryGinger nightwing is a lot better hero or person that batman/bruce, and bruce himself admits that, so that thing of "batman is the bad option to become like" es true and bruce himself knows that and don´t wants his kids to be like him, he wants them to be better
I'd rather see him and Starfire's relationship. She was integral to him becoming Nightwing anyway. The DCAMU managed to make the relationships work even after he left the Teen Titans. Barbara was originally older than Dick so their whole relationship is icky to me.
I was disappointed with the lack of Titans connection with Deathstroke, but I’m glad you teased it at the end. I think that Deathstroke’s relationship with Terra should stick to being paternal rather than the creepy thing that it was in the comics😬 Maybe even similar to Silco and Jinx in Arcane where it feels kinda creepy, but they truly only see each other as father and daughter and nothing else.
This, YJ did the best version of it! And it makes Deathstroke's shift to Anti-Villain or neutral character a bit more palatable.
"Does it matter?" Headass
What if next you make a Green Arrow movie pitch. I'd watch the hell out of that.
Green Arrow is another character yet to be properly portrayed in live action.
I would kill for a Green Arrow pre write
It's been 8 months since his Green Arrow video. I need that pitch so bad 😭😭
@@MJHDRi Cross your fingers for Green Arrow.
Nightwing has been my favorite superhero since i was a kid, even wrote and illustrated a comic for him to bring to show and tell in first grade lmfao so this is a rlly nice surprise
Hey man if you're seeing this, I want you to know that your videos and your form of content creation and your humor and passion and character all make it so much easier and more fun to be a comic book fan. It's your heart that makes it so that everything is pushed aside and I can simply enjoy these characters and their stories, and their legacy. Thank you, for making me feel safe enjoying my favorite characters and plotlines.
As a genuine nightwing Stan for as long as I can remember, you truly encapsulated everything I personally love about the character. I’d kill for this to be a real movie lmao, great video.
Nice to meet another Stan😆
Between Dick and Tim, Dc surprisingly has some of the best young characters.
I hope James Gunn gets this casting right because I believe Nightwing is a very important and vital character for the DCU to work based off of what it seems like he wants to do.
So, comic book relationships can be hit and miss, but in the case of Nightwing I think his relationships have been really fun to read, mostly. My question is are you more of a Dick and Barbara fan or Dick with Kory? I'm personally more of a fan with him and Barbara.
I’ve always headcanoned them to be a polycule so it doesn’t bother me😅
Growing up with the Teen Titans show and enjoying most of the DC Animated Movie universe, I'm a Dick/Kory guy all the way.
Dick and Shawn Tsang > because theres no love triangle bs with her!
Personally I like Dick and Barbara but if they decide to go with Dick/Kori I wouldn’t mind.
@@CyclopsX23RogueI read that as Shang Tsung and thought I missed a huge chunk of MK vs DCU
11:02 This one hit me like a ton of bricks. I’ve been holding myself to the standards of my younger self who was stronger, more athletic, better in mind, and smarter, but fell off on all of that due to just…life. Best I can boil it down to.
But the goal isn’t to be my younger self all at once, but to just be a better version of me NOW over time. And that’s enough.
Great video as always man!
man the act about being smarter hits me. as a kid i remember in fucking 7th grade being like 6th grader me was more ahrdowrking, and thinking the same in 8th grade, 9th all the way to 11th. then i just fell off lmao. bad habits overpowered the good haha. but its bad to wallow in self-critique
Love your content, and as a big Nightwing fan, I loved your pitch here, especially the using his time as Robin as flashbacks and not just a thing mentioned now and then. I think it hits a great middle ground.
My middle name is Grayson after my Dad’s favorite comic character for his whole life, I’m becoming an actor probably because of my fantasy of playing Nightwing haha this is awesome and captures what’s so endearing about this character
If you play Nightwing someday, I'm pretty sure if your dad sees that, he'll probably be screaming, saying, "THAT'S MY BOY!"
0:08 cameo!!! Wow this is my favorite pitch you’ve ever made. I love Dick Grayson so much and you really did a great job with this!
As someone who doesn’t know dick about Dick, I love how your writing focuses on the themes and developments of the character. And your thoughts on perfectionism and expectations really hit home for me.
If you do make that Teen Titans vid tho, I’m tuning in asap 👀
this video was a real treat man. I genuinely feel like everytime you make one of these you really know your stuff and try your best and know what makes the character them. Well done!
A really good Nightwing-Batman relationship is in the show young justice. It was less of a falling out and more of a natural progression. Of course Dick wasn’t gonna stay Robin, and Bruce knew this and wanted him to become something more than Robin. A better version of himself. You know, what fathers should want for their sons. Highly suggest
BROOOO OMG that was sooooo so good! Better than I anticipated for a fan film. This had me tearing up and hype af! Nightwing is my favorite character (right there with bat and supes) it has always been my dream to play live action Nightwing. Great script!!
I just know this is gonna be fantastic. I love hearing your ideas for these movies. Now to just wait for a Cassandra Cain movie pitch!
Thank you so much for the video! I always love thinking about Dick... Grayson.
I gotta admit whenever I think about the inevitable parting of ways between Nightwing and Batman I never really imagine it as a shouting match. Maybe it's because I always view Batman as someone very stoic, who can only ever be mad with himself and would just never allow him that kind of emotional release... and that kind of thing is the very thing that bothers Dick so much.
I always thought the central conflict between the two when they really part ways is that Batman, whether he knew it or not, was training Dick to replace him and Dick was initially on board for that but as he got older and saw and understood more about Bruce, he realized he just couldn't be that. Bruce will always put the mission above all else. He values people, and life and friendships but when it comes down the wire... Bruce will sacrifice himself on the alter of the mission. And Dick doesn't want that, he knows that over time it just leads to being alone.
That's another thing that I think seperates the two in a really good way. Dick makes friends with intense ease but Bruce always wants to keep people at arms length. Is Clark a friend or a colleague? Clark would definitely call them friends but... Bruce doesn't want to frame it that way.
So... what am I building up to? If there's one thing that this pitch maybe coud use it's an intiallzing incident for the character conflict between Bruce and Dick. What makes it so that the little things that have built up over their whole relationship need to be acted on now? Barbara getting hurt.
Adapting Killing Joke is... 10 miles of hard road for even the most talented people but I think that would really crystalize everything coming together. It even would give Dick and Barbara something weirdly in common at this time in their life. They're both figuring out who they are outside of the context Bruce gave them. Dick by choice, Barbara less so. That's why Barbara is in Dick's corner so hard right now. She knows what's it's like to have to rediscover yourself, and she gets to learn a little too.
I also think it's worth noting, I think Dick leaving is also a good opportunity for Bruce's character growth. Realizing that the way he works does add up to being alone if left on a long enough timeline... And he shouldn't want the people in his life to necessarily follow directly in his footsteps. He should want them to be their own people.
But yeah, I've also had 8 billion thoughts about adapting Nightwing in a big budget context so your video just brought a lot of them back to the surface.
Thaks again, here's to your next video and the RUclips Algorytm being kind. All the engagemens go!
Very well said. I’ve been trying my best to write a script and the thing that I struggled with the most is the conflict between Bruce and Dick. I love this.
The ‘your getting sloppy’ line was so good at the end.
While watching towards the end I was just thinking to myself “please put a scene where nightwing throws his baton behind batman please put-“
And then he does it to Blockbuster and I’m like “YEAAAHHHHH”
Nightwing deserves a movie. And yeah you should totally make a teen titans pitch. Also maybe pitches for other characters in the bat family like jason todd
Well, he is my favourite comic book character of all time so I can't express how grateful I am for this. As Robin, Tim Drake is my favourite and the one I grew up reading and Dick is to me more iconic as Nightwing.
A prewrite of a future green arrow movie would be a great video.
I'd watch the shit out of a Green Arrow pre write
Let’s see a Teen Titans script for 2024
i just hope the fight scenes are filmed like john wick. not just for nightwing but with any of the batmfamily in general.
Thanks for that message at the end about just having fun/not being perfect and being you. Really resonated with me
It's my birthday and seeing this in my feed was the best birthday present I could've asked for! Thanks Troy
Bit late, but happy b day
I always enjoy seeing other people's ideas. This was dope and Warner needs to start paying attention. Hell even use these platforms to hire talent like this.
Dude, this would make an excellent comic if this idea doesnt make into movie.
Dick is my favourite DC character, everything from his charisma, his fighting style, his growth. And this video does a great job of showing how Dick grows into Nightwing, and honestly having Deathstroke as the first big bad, besides Blockbuster is a great move.
And I agree a lot of reimaginings of Bruce and the relationship with the rest of the family, feel like they only show him as objectively right or wrong, rather than showing that they both have naturally understandable and human reasons for feeling the way they do
It took me a while to look for actors to play nightwing, and I finally found him Joel Oulette as Nightwing. I had never heard of him until now. If you watch Avatar, the Last Airbender, he played this leadership role and who can sacrifice himself for other people, so yeah, Joel Oulette as Nightwing
Checked him out. He'd look great as Nightwing
High respect 🙏
Hey Troy. Got a lot to say, all positive.
Troy, as of late, I think I’m confident in saying you’re my favorite person on the platform. Not only do you have fresh, unique takes on different heroes that I, even though I’m not really that much of a comic book fan, have never seen before. You also bring heart to every topic you cover. That’s really what I like about this channel. There’s so much raw heart to it. Pointing out flaws of the topics you’re covering despite your clear love for them. You manage to inspire me, as a writer, to grow and be better at building consistent, well structured stories.
And as a writer, I want to address the last part of the video. I struggle with my writing. Every word is hard to squeeze out of myself. I don’t really have an audience of readers, just a few friends, but I dedicate literal years of my life to writing out big novels, bigger than some well-known books. And I struggle with every word I write because… I have no idea whether I’m good enough. Whether what I write people would find engaging and want to stick with reading. But I’ve been told by a friend that… if your writing has heart and soul put into it, the reader or the viewer will be able to see that and enjoy the story, whether it’s good, okay or kinda bad. At the end of the day, it’s all in the heart. And I can see that your heart is big and passionate.
I hope you take care of yourself well. And I hope the last part of this long comment helped you in one way or another.
-Love, Jody (don’t ask me why I do this at the end of comments, I just think it’s kinda cute)
Thank you for making this! These characters mean a lot to me and clearly they do to you as well, you captured my favourite part of who these characters truly are. Batman is a father first and foremost and genuinely cares about the people around him, and it's nice to see that you see that about him. Maybe I'm just over emotional but I actually got choked up a couple times while listening to this. It was an incredible pitch for some of the greatest characters ever created. So thank you for creating it!
You said Oracle’s setup is kinda primitive but Lowkey if Barbara had like big box moniters with small screens that’d be so funny.
the sheer amount of excitement in troy's voice when he said "BATMANNN!! YOU'RE GETTING SLOPPY!!" is so funny to me
25:01 I cried at this part cause it describes my own relationship with most of my family members. Especially my father and grandfather since I'm expected to be the tough masculine type they were. I guess it just brought up some buried feelings.
Hey man. I just wanted to tell you this is absolutely my favorite video of yours. This is phenomenal and I absolutely hope that something like this turns out to be the case. You have an absolute knack for this and your videos always make my day better
YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW EXCITED I WOULD BE FOR A TEEN TITANS PITCH-
Oh my God please get hired as a writer already your prewrites and rewrites are just plain INCREDIBLE
Damn. Even Comic Drake commented that he wanted this video😂😂
“Maybe they fight the Riddler and we call it Question Marks”
Get this guy a job at DC NOW!
This video was just perfect, thanks for always makin' bangers Troy! Oh, and please for the love of all that is good, a Teen Titans script would be SO sick!!
“Batman… you’re getting sloppy!” that was gray delivery lol, i need this movie made.
I know my opinion is not wanted or needed but my favourite fan cast is my brother he’s in university studying acting and he is so amazing he got the whole audience crying with this scene where (he was the main character grieving the death of his wife) he was standing over his wife’s tombstone and sat on his knees and started crying and the main reason I chose him as my fan cast was because by the time he’s out of university he will be 20 and he’s got a mullet and he loves night wing he’s really obsessed with him TLDR: my brother is my fan cast because he’s literally everything troyoboyo17 wants nightwing to be
After all these Batman movies throughout the years, it is criminally that we still haven’t gotten a Nightwing movie yet
this made me want to start reading nightwing, awesome video
29:57 reminds me of miles saying “hey” to kingpin in spider verse
the troyoboyo special is someone’s ex partner showing up out of the blue while they’re in the middle of an intimate moment with their current partner
My sister actually has an interesting interpretation of why Bruce doesn’t let Dick come on extremely dangerous missions. She thinks that it’s not that Bruce doesn’t want to loose anyone else again (that’s for Tim after loosing Jason) it’s more about Bruce not wanting Dick to loose anyone else.
Watching this after finishing the Nightwing's arkham knight side missions makes it hit different
Petition for Troyo to make an Under The Red Hood adaptation pitch
I got the biggest chills with that end credit scene 😮😮😮
This has been the DC movie I've wanted for years, Nightwing is my favorite DC character alongside Batgirl, I can't wait to hopefully see this movie someday! :D
I love how that Batman looks, we NEED a suit like that!!!!
This was pretty great. I had an idea for a kinda Nightwing origin story of my own recently so watching this and seeing how different it is was really cool (Mine took a decent amount of inspiration from Black Mirror). Great pitch
I personally would like to see a real Nightwing movie myself. I would also want to see Dick moving to Bludhaven, facing on a new villain, etc.
Please for the love of god IM DYING FOR A TEEN TITANS VIDEO OF YOU TROY! Hapyy new years btww
DO THE TEEN TITANS NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
PLEASE
Ok, no. A dual movie with Renee and Vic Sage vs The Riddler sounds so fun and amazing. "Question Marks" is now forever in my head as a movie lol.
Hey bro, I love your Nightwing movie pitch for James Gunn’s DCU. For the casting, I would love to see Hero Fiennes Tiffin for the role of Dick Grayson/Nightwing. Even though it was interesting to find out the character is Romani from his mother’s side. But Hero can play the humble, sweet, understanding, and can do action scenes. For Barbara Gordon/Oracle, I would love to see Nancy Drew’s actress Kennedy McMann take on the role. Anyways, nice job on your Nightwing pitch and have a Happy New Year! 🎈🎊🎆
Words cannot describe how excited I am for the DCU
Finally my Grayson Boy is getting a movie! Not real but the pitches of this guy are amazing
Absolutely loved this, please do that Titans pre-write
I’ve been genuinely so excited for this! As a huge Nightwing fan and a fan of your prewrites/rewrites - im ecstatic! (I also grew my hair into a mullet because of him 🫶)
I fucks wit this. I think you really capture that complicated relationship relationship that Dick and Bruce have at the start of Dick leaving. There is love there. They're both just not the greatest at either expressing it or seeing it from the other's perspective. But once they do, it becomes something better. I love Dick Grayson, and I really hope we get a movie or a show in this new universe.
24:08 like in that awesome scene from Young Justice.
I love your prewrites! I would love to see these animated but love your style as well!
Aaaaah, loves this videos. They are like a book but more engaging, but bland enough to where i can image all the scenes in my head. Feels good, i like it. I like that my head plays movies in my head
I dont really like how dependant Dick is to Bruce in this pitch. It’s a Nightwing film not a team up. Although i do think this is a great idea for a film i would like something else for Nightwing. If this were a real pitch i would think its a pitch for “Batman and Nightwing”. A study into the relationship between Bruce and Dick. A Nightwing film should be much more independent from Bruce.
Thing is, this is an origin film, and night wing origin is intrincrly tied to batman.
@@Elephantsaresupreme i understand. But my point is a movie solely titled Nightwing shouldn’t be an origin film. Batman is so important to Dick that his origins cannot be done in a solo film. It just feels wrong to me
DC needs more street level stuff.. that’s not tied to either Gotham or Batman
troyboyo is such a fricking good youtuber man. Every video he makes he improves on it from the last.😫
I think adding Damian to this would’ve been cool, kind of a continuation of their brotherhood
The DCU needs to hire you
This is really a good body of work from a rough draft aspect this could be the best dc movie of the year
Nightwing
Hell Yeah
You never fail to deliver
Just picturing everything with your story telling, really would result in something awesome
Someone who understands the character 💪🔥
Happy new year chaps
Incredible video. I love the heart you put into this. You didn't specifically call them out, but the nods to moments in the Dixon run, Tom Taylor run, Young Justice ("So he wouldn't") were inspired. Looking forward to a Teen Titans follow up!
You should do a robin trilogy pre write where we follow dick on his way to nightwing and introduce Jason Todd in the third movie that would be for e🔥🔥
Please make a Teen Titans!
god damm it, bruce and dick calling each other father and son at the end there, it made me shed some manly tears
It's really a nice story to introduce Nightwing, even Barbara and maybe the Titans.
Well done ✅
There's a question that needs to be answered before EVERYTHING:
Mullet?
I hope you give this matter the serious treatment it deserves.
the mullet question is addressed 6 minutes into the video, I feel satisfied
Wasn't Dick's "Romani heritage" pretty much a one-off thing? Yeah, it has been occasionally re-introduced since then, but it never really amounts to anything, nor do I think it should. For over 60 years beforehand, literally since his introduction, Dick's ethnic background had been broadly Caucasian and I think that's perfectly fine.
Otherwise, this was a fine pitch for a Grayson story. Perhaps I would focus on making your Bruce a bit more unique though. In the current version, he really feels like your most "basic" Batman and I think you'd want your viewers to connect with both sides of the "Bruce/Dick" conflict a little more.
Also... doesn't the story feel a bit like a light version of Daredevil?
"Thanks...dad"
You made me tear up, how dare you?
Would love to see more of your dcu pitches
Ill watch the video later but just dropping this here to say, loving the Nightwing love rn
it was alright, i'm kinda unsatisfied with the end. It's established early on that he's messy and physically inferior and keeps getting saved by batman, I wish by the end he reached a point where he was very skilled and able to take down, either deathstroke or the other guy with skill as well as smarts. He just keeps consistently losing physical battles. if it wasn't going to be resolved then why establish it at all?
It’s about time we had some respect on my boy, Nightwing!
This is absolutely amazing keep up the great work can’t wait to see more 🔥!
I want to tell you this right now. I have never EVER heard a story pitch(and I've heard a lot of them through videos or just my friends and family discussing stories) that I have fully agreed with. Your writing and storytelling was incredible even down to the small details. I've even had discussions with people about how the new Nightwing should be Romani and that they should have Romani culture consultants or Romani writers to help authentically represent that side of Dick and somehow have that play into the message of the main story. Also Oracle should be played by an actress with chronic pain that uses a wheelchair in real life. This way she could stand for some flashback scenes and then they can cut to a stunt double fighting. The way you portrayed every character in your story(especially Nightwing) showed me that you live up to your title and you indeed are a fanboy and I geniunley hope that if James Gunn doesn't get you in the writer's room that he gets someone like you. You should definitely try to get in touch with him.
24:58 This was such a poignant and beautiful point on how to love and raise a child and being a good parent.
25:36 I think it would be cool to mention Jason Todd in this scene, maybe something like "I cant lose one of my sons, not again" just to set up red hood in a future movie
Damn why can't Warner Bros hire people like you as writers 😤❤️
i love this so much omfg this is literally everything i'd ever want from a nightwing movie HOW DID U MAKE IT PERFECTTTT OMGGGG