Icom ID-5100A D-Star Demonstration Review Dual Band
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
- WOW, There is so many features of this radio, I will have to make several other videos to explain them all. This is the Icom ID-5100A dual band D-Star radio, and in this video I show you around the radio, a well as demonstrate some Dstar functionality through the app via bluetooth, like sending and receiving pictures, text messaging, gateway calls and more. Look for other videos about this rig very soon.
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Every time I look at a video of a mobile VHF/UHF rig I think "Welcome to 1990". At least the Icom has nearby repeater search built-in. For the life of me, I don't understand why all radios with a GPS don't have this feature.
I've been out of the Ham Radio biz for many years but with retirement coming up I'd like to get back in to it. This D-Start stuff sounds like something I'd REALLY like to get in to. I do IT support for a living and this combines my computer nerd behavior with my love of Ham Radio. Thanks for producing these videos. They are very informative. BTW - My Wife and I LOVE Vero Beach. It's our go to spot for an FLA vacation. 73 - N2ODQ
Wow it's 4 years later and this radio STILL seems worth it.
I just ordered one so I hope it is 😅😅
@@Blake-W8LB it is worth it
I wish we had more DStar repeaters around here. I like icoms.
Fantastic video! Thank you very much for putting it together. You have 100% sold me on the 5100. Off to the ham store now!
another nice video! but,...
1)you don't need a programming cable for this radio, all the programming can be done with the SD card using the (FREE) Icom software. not sure about that using RT Systems.
2)when you update the firmware you get 1500 DR memories
3)the radio has two speaker jacks. one for left band one for the right, making it a lot easier to listen to both VFOs at once. you can also set the radio to mute the sub band when its receiving on the main. You can also set the radio to have one band coming out on the ext speaker while the other comes out of the internal speaker.
NEAT TRICK---- Put the radio into DR mode. then hit the scan button. it will give you the option to pick: DR only, FM only or both. choose one. the radio will scan the local repeaters CONTINUOUSLY letting you travel far from home without reprogramming the radio. I figured this out last year coming home from Dayton. I was able to monitor all the local repeaters en route (FM and DSTAR) all the way from Dayton 800 miles home in Illinois. In order to do this you'll have to load up your 1500 DR memories for the area your in. And you can store multiple files on the SD card so when the radio runs out of memories all you got to is pull over and load a new file.
Earnest W9EEW
I removed the clip showing both speaker jacks to save time.. Also I noticed you can crossband Dstar to FM but I removed that because I felt it would cause issues with people trying it..
Also, to use DRATS you need this cable, which is a video coming up.
I didn't mean to offend. Makes sense that you would need a cable for DRATS, never tried that. Just thought your viewers might like to know that you don't need a cable and RT software to program it. Does the RT software allow you to program it via SD card? I use RT for my 7100 it would make it easier to keep'em in sync.
Are you going to do a video on cross banding DSTAR to FM? I might have to try that.
Did you try the DR repeater scan? Its an awesome feature. Comes in handy while driving around away from home.
@@ewerth1968 This is a paradigm difference for some hams. I buy RT Software for anything VHF/UHF that I buy and they offer the software. I understand the SD card will do that job just fine, but I like a cable. It's just a preference thing. The software, while not free, is amazingly smart and laid out much better than the Icom OEM software with better capabilities, just like an Excel spreadsheet. I've got a friend of mine who literally was offended when I told him I bought RTS for the 5100a. It's okay. It's a preference.
I love keeping those screen and surface protectors on my stuff. I bought a washer 11 years ago and it still has the protectors on its chrome trim. I fully understand where he is coming from.
I've had my IC-7100 for almost (3) weeks, and the screen-protector is still on it. Yes, the touchscreen still works.
The reason it doesn't work on Apple iPhone is not due to serial port support over Bluetooth. The reason it doesn't work is because iPhones use newer low voltage Bluetooth. The Icom BT adapter doesn't support the low voltage protocol for Bluetooth. So it is Icoms choice not due to Apple's fault as you say in your video.
Icom's BT module for the 4100A does support the low voltage version of Bluetooth and the app is available for iPhones for the 4100A. This proves that it was Icom's decision not to support Apple for the 5100 not Apples fault for not supporting serial port over Bluetooth.
I do love your videos. Keep up the good work. I have the ID-4100A in my pickup and love it.
Things sure have become advanced in the amateur radio world looking back at this compared to today’s products.
I found it helpful while transmitting photos to make occasional voice announcements about what your doing especial if using higher quality photos. You can key up and transmit voice describing what the photo is about and requesting others standby until the data transmission is complete! So yes you can transmit data and voice simultaneously. So occasionally key up your microphone and ID during the transmission so others don't key up over your data.
I like this style of white backlight and display.
The Leixen 898 is similar in that regard.
Unlike other electronics, it seems like radios stick around a long time. Looks like this one came out in 2014, looks a lot newer than that to me.
I finally got one. Love it. Still learning all it's goodies...
Hey Eric eight of us is buying thank you for sharing it Eric you're a great guy 👍
Ok you got me there. The hunt is over. That's the radio I'll buy!
I wish the mic could be plugged into the control head !!! The fact that the mic has to connect directly to the radio itself is the ONLY reason I wouldn't but this rig... Bummer!
That is what extensions (cable) are for.
You just sold me by showing me how the cross banding works with my HT. Ordering now...
I do not own the RT systems software for either the ID-51 nor the ID-5100 and I completely program them using the included iCom software using SD cards. The cables are not needed, and while the software is not the same as the RT System software once you get over the learning curve it's just as powerful. So save yourself a few bucks if you're willing to undergo a short learning curve.
Now that is a Cool radio :) Eric your video has me thinking about getting one. I have never done D-Star. I live on HF. 73 Joe
Thanks Eric , as always with you , I learned something new ..!!
Great video Josh!
Excellent video, I just got my 5100A, trying to learn its features. I would love to have you in my shack to teach me what you have figured out.
Would you recommend this radio for a new technician class, once i get my call sign?
It would have been when you asked this. It's still a nice choice. what did you end up getting?
@@jermanoid I bought the ID-4100
@@cpmedic192 A nice radio too.
For DPRS, it needs to be connected to a DSTAR repeater and not the aprs frequency, is that right? Good vid!
I wish it had a color display like my IC-7300 does.
Thanks for the video. New too the hobby. My first radio was the ID-5100 it is a Awesome radio
Would you choose this over the Yaesu FT400, and if so why? KN4QHI... Thanks!
Ftm400 is fusion, no dstar
I've been a Yaesu ham for many years but my next dual band mobile will be an Icom ID-5100. - N5EVD
Wish you could invert the screen to avoid the "washed out" look - i.e. white text on dark black background. @20:00 visibility of reading the app menus on your android phone is a great comparison.
Hey Eric, I love your videos - one thing I'd like to note: on this and other videos too, your audio is too hot, to the point where sometimes it is distorted. Try backing away from the mic or setting the camera audio lower - you should peak around -6dB (take this from a professiona videographer). Otherwise, thanks for these instructional clips! 73 de N1RVN in Atlanta.
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As good as my ID 880-1:37 H did for me, I regret not getting the ID 5100 with the built in GPS. I still have my 880-H and it still works. I just haven't got it hooked up. I have a Yaesu FTM400XDR which Is also a Good radio with built in GPS.
I want to find a video someone who has a 2021 Honda CR-V, so I can see how they mount their radio. I already have the power cable run through the firewall from the battery and into the backseat area behind the driver and front passenger seats.
You are great. Love your vids.
I've been following your videos as I am just starting to get into the hobby, and I just recently bought this radio. I was wondering what your opinion is on having the MARS mod done? I don't know enough about it to fully understand what it does.
Taking of the plastic?! Letting us watch?! You're sick, mate.
Just kidding! XD Thanks for the video. I just bought the 5100aDLX and am awaiting it on my doorstep.
What is the handheld you are using for that? Or was that your phone? Ben K0BLR
K0BLR he was using an Android device, probably one of the new IRN network units with an Android phone built in. It can operate as an HT and also as a phone. They can run EchoLink, Zello, access the IRN network via the TeamSpeak app and do anything else an Android can. Some of those even operate as DMR radios. I do wish they would come out with an iOS version of that software like they did on the new ID-4100. I do run D-rats with mine. It can be a great Emcomm tool.
Excellent radio but would look so much nicer with full color screen. M0FXB
I too like your videos and your audio is just fine. But also want to know what your hand held device is. Thx.
I am getting this radio tomorrow for Christmas. What distance do you set for repeaters downloading from the RT Systems software. 50, 75 or 100 or more miles? Thanks for everything you do for us.
Please post the make and model of that android radio that looks like an HT. Gotta check that out
Nice video! Thanks for producing it. Do you know if you can tune both receivers to airband simultaneously and receive? So like one on tower and one on ground?
Great video! Thank you for doing it. I have 2 5100s and would like to see your ideas for mounting. I have a leased vehicle so I cannot do anything permanent.
Wow, you are going to love my next video. Just finished shooting it
Here is were i am confused. Were does the radio connect to the internet? ,In your home? Unhave a hotspot or when it hits a D star repeater, the repeater than connects it to thr internet? Thanks KD2PKL
Can you set the 5100 up in crossband to pass C4FM?
What mounting bracket does it come with?
your the best good video
i am now trying to work out do i go for a ID 5100A or a FTM400XDR what can you tell me
i have seen your videos i am just dont know whats best for digital mode. i am in south austrealia and we dont have a lot of Repeater
Hi Eric, maybe you can help me with a problem I'm having with my id5100? It seems I've muted the mic somehow? On dup channels I key up and I can hit the repeater because I here the repeater info come back to me but when I set another radio near by I cannot get any voice transmission. Any idea of where to start looking to correct the problem?
So if you were to buy a dual-band radio for your vehicle today with APRS, which radio would you buy?
So I'm really looking to buy a new mobile... And I've narrowed it down to this or a yaesue in the same price range But this unit seems awesome
It would be perfect if it had some color to it just a few colors it would be really really ideal I wish I come comes out with a new model just like it with colors I love colors
Just got mine in set up on 30charlie
An individual can easily enter memory channels for FM or DStar without the cable or software.
Hello sir I would to ask what is your opinion about touch screen....
Is it fragile or too sensitive???
Does it need some kind of special care???
Does it respond properly???
Please inform me....
Any comments would be youseful
Thanks in advance!
eric de wx4lec which model RFfinder are you using and how is it working for you?
Can a rt cable from a 2730 be used with the 5100. Are the cables the same?
Would just a dual-band antenna work for this or do I need something other?
WOW, that looks so much easier than DMR, I got an DMR radio recently and after 2 weeks haven't finished programming the damn thing.
With DMR you need to program in your repeater frequencies times the number of talk groups you want and then repeat and repeat over and over for every repeater you want to use and then again if you want to use a hot spot, it's a real pain in the ass but I suppose if you got a code plug for your area then it's not so bad but the problem I've seen with code plugs is they can have hundreds of TG you don't want and finding the ones you want can be a nightmare, I couldn't find a code plug for my area so had to do it myself, seriously it's horrible!
In 2020 now, has D-Star improved more ? easier to use ?
I heard the voice quality isn't as good as DMR.
Dmr Dstar Fusion etc it’s almost the same quality!
Have a nice day 73!
@@Apostolos_Androutsos You can tell the difference though, fusion being the best.
How about some D-Star demos ? I still don't quite get how it works, reflectors and all that. Fusion is simple, just press wires-X and you're in to whatever you want. DMR well, that's all fine once you spend weeks perfecting a code plug lol.
Can this radio easily work amateur satellites?
What does D-Star do that Yaesu's System Fusion (C4FM) doesn't?
It was around before Fusion I suppose.
I wonder if it would work to cut up an iPhone screen protector for this. Anything to save the screen?
This is a brilliant video :-)
Does it connect well to a raspberry Pi for winlink, pocsag and rtty?
Thanks Erick from kb2uew 73
Do any of these style radios have the microphone that plugs into the head unit instead of the radio itself?
Icom 7100 does. That’s how I have it in my work van in the head not the radio itself
@@HamRadioConcepts beautiful thanks for the reply I appreciate it.
Lotta money to rediscover 1999.
Can you make a video on how to use the id-5100 with the jumbo spot? I’ve got mine all set up but don’t know what I’m doing when it comes to actually linking reflectors and all that. How do I program the 5100 to do that?
Video is on the way.
HamRadioConcepts awesome! Can’t wait.
What HT is that?
Does this radio have APRS built in?
They have DPRS
what kind of phone is that?
Excellent video Eric, thank you so much. Just a quick question for you. I have the IC-7100, when I download the current repeater list, I was unable to install the file because the radio doesn’t “read”the file type. Any advice or suggestion? Thanks in advance KN4DHW
Are you talking about with the SD card? I noticed with mine that the SD card adapter I had was somehow not compatible, tried a different one and it worked.. If you're not using an adapter then I am not sure.
HamRadioConcepts , yes Eric the problem is with the SD card, then I will try using another known brand.
Thank you so much!
73 from KN4DHW!
I don't think it is your SD Card. If you got the repeater list directly from Icom's site, it doesn't load because it is the wrong file type. It is some error with the files on Icom's site. But if you go to Dstarinfo.com and download the repeater lists for DR mode radios, you will get a .csv file that will load into the radio from the SD Card.
DurangoLegend , thank you so much, however this is actually what I did but doesn’t recognize the file. The only file that recognize the radio is if I make a backup. Don’t know honestly what else can I do
David Pinto -- Have you tried formatting the SD card in the radio first? (see page 9-4 of the full manual) then copy the CSV file from your computer. Your computer may be able to work with a card formatted by the radio, but the radio may not work with the card's factory format, or the formatting done by your computer.
Why would you manually enter all the repeater stuff on the fly while in a vehicle. that doesn't sound like a good idea.
Can you turn the one-off while listening to the other? David ZS1ADG
Is the 5100A good for a portable base station??
I thought the cable was not needed as it be prog thru the memory card
Hello Eric , are you available?
How fast does it scan and search frequencies?
does this radio have a RED night time mode?
What android device is that you are using?
Thank you,newby km4lad,longview,tx.
Recommend a hand held for me,im confused,
Dstar handheld? ID51a, it is a handheld with most of these features you see in this radio.
Thanks,keep up with video's,your doing great
I really like my 5100 easy to get up and going. Great video even tho I got it and use it every day I still like seeing a great video about it. Good job keep it up looking forward to more great videos. KE8FGF
I need to get one in my Chevy tracker and put the frm 400 back in my truck!
The major problem I have is that there are no D-STAR repeaters that I can hit from my apartment so I would need to figure out how to set something up so that if I want to I can be out and about and have a simplex node at home that I could use with an ht or another mobile D-STAR dose not allow that if I remember correctly and a hotspot would not give me the range that I need so what can I do in that case I know I could use Yaesu’s fusion to get on wiresX but can I do something with D-STAR in my situation the closest repeater for D-STAR is 150 miles away and I can’t hit that from my apartment
A hotspot. Pick up a Jumbospot MMDVM Pi-star hotspot and you can use it with Dstar Fusion DMR and P25, at your house, or mobile, and talk all over the world.
Can you make a video about setting the id-5100 up for jumbo spot use? Also, I left the screen protector on mine. One year later its still there ;)
That’s cool but is there away I can extendtherange of the hotspotto allow me to operate while I’moutand about without having it with me like leaving it connected to a radio at home and using an ht to get back to the radio at home and not having any extra stuff to carry
N9IBZED the simple way is to keep it with you and tie it to your phones hotspot. I imagine you could do what you want if you had a crossband capable radio near it.
HamRadioConcepts realized I didn’t tag you in my question so here’s me doing that haha
the same app is available in the app store on iOS
That app only works for the 4100A not the 5100. This is due to the lack of low voltage Bluetooth support in the 5100A BT module.
Man What A Radio. But, out of my price range at $539.95 @ Amazon right now. :(
Why would you order from Amazon, you should deal with amateur radio stores, the price is cheaper than amazon as well.
Well, that was my first look, so to speak, it was the first look on the Google search page. I didn't say was ordering from them. Dang Man, I didn't mean to offend you❕
I'm brand new to this Ham stuff the closest thing I've ever used is my 0l' Police radios and CB. which I know AIN't like HAM, I'm sure
No no, no offend, and I was only asking, because I thought maybe you didn't know as a newcomer to the hobby. Check out stores like GigaParts.com, Ham Radio outlet, etc ... Buying from amateur radio stores you have better support from hams selling them.
0k, I have found other channels like your's and Joe Lalumia's channels and others also. And, I'm learning More from ya'll. I bought the Midland MXT 400 radio and wanting to learn alittle bit How To Use this and then go into the HAM stuff later-on, I hope. Thanks for this Link to GigaParts.com too. I'm installing my antenna mount as we speak today.
I always find it odd how so many people complain about the cost of Amateur Radios, like a feature rich ICOM D-STAR Radio for $539.95 but they will stand in line to pay $800-$1000 for an Apple iPhone the day the next version is released... Crazy but yes you can find lots of used radio's in very good if not new condition for less than half the cost of new because like iPhones some operators just want the next available radio model.
Love mine. Have done some fun things with it. Also have worked satellites with it with a fender mounted 1/2 wave whip If you want to do some testing or swap notes drop me a line. I have a Bridgecom MMDVM repeater in central Nebraska. Brian KE0HZX
so this radio cannot do DMR right, new ham so not sure
No
Is Icom the only cite to update repeater lists? Thanks for the video. I learned a couple things that I didn't know the radio could do.
No, check out the links in the description there are a few sources.
Try www.dstarinfo.com for the programming downloads. You choose the area of the country you are in and the percentage of D-Star to analog repeaters you want to load. You save it to the SD card and import it into the radio. If you travel a lot, you can download sets for different parts of the country, save them all on the SD card and import the one you want to use at the time based on your current location. The repeater information comes from The Repeater Book folks. You may have to check if you have a problem getting into certain repeaters. I have found one or two listings that were incorrect on things like the proper Tone to set. Like anything else we humans do, data is sometimes prone to error due to typos or just the wrong info being supplied to the folks who imported it to the list. Enjoy!
is this radio Rx/Tx GMRS frequencies?
It will if you remove 2 diodes inside the radio. But this is for experimental purposes only as it is not legal to use this radio on GMRS
can't help feeling if you are thinking of buying this model that it must be coming to the end of it's shelf life
I see you must use a Craftsman screwdriver :)
What’s better, DStar or system fusion, I’m wanting to go with system fusion as I’m a yaesu fan, but I’m not computer savvy and want the easiest as possible. Thanks KG7VDN 73
Dstar is the way to go I think.. Dstar is established, the oldest mode, it just works all the time. Fusion is still new.. Works good but just so many different cross bridges and crap on Fusion anymore.. DSTAR you wont be sorry
HamRadioConcepts thanks for your reply 👍🏻
Now convince your buds to move the same way..dstar..and if they rather not and go moto or other?
Scan frequency icom ic-3262dt
Looks like a decent radio. Its too bad icom neglected to add dmr support.
TheDisorderly1 well, you can’t have everything. D-Star can do more with data transfer capability than I have seen with DMR to date. With DMR, we hams are trying to utilize a mode that was made for Business purposes by forcing it into the Ham world. They are less expensive unless you go for the Motorola brand. They are a bear to program and most cannot be programmed from the radio without great difficulty. You need to do it from a computer. If you have D-Star and want to communicate with DMR users, it is possible. Check out information on the Quadnet Array or some of the experimental XRF reflectors that are cross linked to certain DMR Talk Groups. The hams are finding ways to bring us all together, with many complaining about how the manufacturers try to keep us separated. I find D-Star easier to use and very useful in certain applications, especially in Emcomm. With D-rats, we can bridge data to other D-Star station, to analog users or to the Internet. Fusion has the capability to transmit data and photographs too, but just between radios. I have not heard if they have developed software to link the computers to the radio, it may be done just via SD card swapping. What us old timers refer to as Sneaker Net where you run the recording media back and forth between the various devices. We did it with floppy discs years ago. Anyway, if you are just interested in talking, we have more or less solved the problem if we can decide where to meet up. The combinations are almost infinite as the choices are growing every day.
@@glenstrecker55 now what size floppies lol
@@mitchellwodach2215 I started playing with computers when you could only save programs to cassette tapes, then 5.25" single-sided floppy discs. I can fit more information on a thumb drive now than I could on the entire computer when they first came out. I go all the way back to the Trash-80 Model 1. I'm on an iMac now and am spoiled rotten with the Internet and LAN capabilities. And yes, I am officially an old fart now.
i think the Rfinder is cooler lol
5 mins into the video.... and your not even close to showing it fire up.....
i disagree with a lot of people are interested in..with DPRS..
Very cool, thanks. 73 VY2MJ. 😀
Thanks for the video. New too the hobby. My first radio was the ID-5100 it is a Awesome radio