I do I think! My favorite role is the #10 playmaker even though I don't use it a ton; and I think if you looked at all my tactics (at least ones with a back 4), a Winger shows up in almost all of them
LOVE that You said something about cut-inside-winger. For me it is totally different role then regular winger and inverted winger (really, it should be a separate player role). Cut-Inside-winger [a] is more well-rounded inside forward (he can and will cross) but also more attacking then inverted winger [a] (more diagonal dribbles). Great video as always!
thanks!! and yea, sometimes the Inside Forward (especially two of them) will clog the attacking midfield, especially if you're trying to get some kind of AM role to work. A Winger (with a cut inside) can help alleviate that
I think this role is underrated in FM24, I've been using it in my saves and it just works, specially in a possession based tactics because they keep the width more than the inverted wingers.
Safe to say I was the first to join the patreon and discord (can’t contribute financially yet) but as for this role, doesn’t typically score for me but man is it an assist machine with the right players. Even without a lot of pace in the premier league, good mentals and technicals have made it lethal with the right roles around it
I really do need a SK video... they have so much going on and can affect your team. I fear that the video will just turn into me ranting about how my goalies keeps kicking it long when I tell him not to haha
Great video again! Thank you! You should have links in the description for both the patreon page and the discord channel. And a video thought! How about making a video where you see the opponents formation in the match tab during a match and explain to us in your own unique manner how the opposition roles work, what you are expecting to happen in the match, what istructions the AI team has on and how you are facing them without changing completely your own tactic. Match management that is? Maybe...
Love you videos , man gave me a lot of insights to my moneyball saves. I have 2 requests, if you fullfil them in your upcoming vidoes i would he so happy. 1) please do a role explanation about raumdeuter 2) could you also provide tactical insights in relation to moneyball saves without attributes what to look for in each roles and what not too
Thank you! Happy the videos are helping out. Per your questions: 1) The Raumeuter should be (sometime) soon! 2) I will say, MustermannFM is the king of moneyball stuff so check him out! I don't think I've got anything immediate with moneyball stuff at the moment. But I do love the suggestion! Maybe I can work something on it.
Thanks! i've thought about save ideas, but nothing concrete. The difficulty is that I make these videos to be (mostly) self contained, so people new to the channel can hop in wherever they want and won't be lost. My fear would be if I did a save like "Winger: Episode 9 with Luton!" that people would just skip it/miss out/ignore it if they hadn't watched the previous episodes. Hope that makes sense haha. And thanks again for the support!!
Dang wing play!!! I was thinking of some more tactic video ideas and that'd be perfect... you don't need to convince me to make more videos using a 442 haha
I always thought of wingers as more supportive players, there to stay wide and get in crosses, so used IF far more - but in an old save I had a young winger I'd bring off the bench (winger support) and he scored so many goals late on from crosses to the back post where he came in late completely unmarked
Another banger ❤ Also can u make a video in the future discussing how to make a good training schedule? There’s so many options and idk what’s the priority to develop a players attributes.
Absolutely!! I've got a video idea on how to prep for a match (installing your tactic, what to do for the week ahead to train) and how it relates to general training. It's not an imminent release, but keep an eye out in the future
I’m curious if you think having a winger on “cuts inside” would be a good combo with the overlap TI on that winger’s side. In my mind this would encourage the winger to wait just a second for the fullback to catch up and still provide width and offer an outlet once the defense collapse.
that would probably be a good example of how I would use the team instruction (overlap). The Winger will stay wide, and you're telling him to look for the overlap if it's on, but if it's not he'll still be doing his normal Winger stuff. Great suggestion!
Does having 'wrong foot' wingers in the winger role affect their performance? ie a left footed winger on the right winger role rather than the inverted winger role
It affects their performance, but it's not necessarily bad per se. If you've got a left footed winger on the right, they'll play like a normal winger. But sometimes you'll see them cut inside when they're in the penalty area (even if you don't have the instruction) because they want to get on their dominant foot. It creates some unique situations (both good and bad) but I generally don't mind it
I think they for sure do it less than support or some other roles. Sometimes I like using them in that traditional 442 position since it'll force them to move back into their starting position. Attributes like teamwork and work rate can help conteract this as well
A playmaker is what's called a "focus role" meaning they have a hidden instruction telling his teammates to pass to them more often. He'll also track to the ball more often when you have possession. The CAM is more of your traditional midfielder that you're telling to play more aggressive and get in front of goal more (on the attack duty)
As far as I know, team fluidity (if you mean the little identification at the bottom of the tactic) doesn't affect your team. It's a left over feature from older FM's where you could alter how fluid your team could play. Now it just shows how many defend/support/attack roles you have. I believe the AI uses it to set up there formations but other than that it doesn't really have relevance to us as a player in FM24. If you search around some of the SI tactic forums, you can find some more info. I belive SI and some high level mods have come out and said fluidity doesn't really change much. Hope that helps!
Been working on some target forward stuff (and wide as well). Nothing imminent, but hope to get it on the release schedule in the future. Thank you for the support (and the patience)!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thank you very much, keep up the enthusiasm for creating FM content, I'm really looking forward to other videos from your channel...
use full back. Wing Back prefer dribble while Full Back prefer pass and move, but Full Back's downside is they aren't as adventurous as Wing Back even with "Get further forward" player instruction.
Like the others have said, try using a full back. Won't dribble as much as a WB. As far as the IF issues, it's tough to tell. May switch them from support to attack and see if that helps?
I almost used him as the player example lol; but if I remember he's pretty one footed (compared with Dembele) so I liked the comparison between Dembele and my lower league player Bruno instead
Personally I've recently started using a full-back + winger on one side, and a wing-back + IF on the other. I used to have FBs on both sides, which is very safe, but lacks a little "bang" up front. Although it depends on the players in my squad. Sometimes on that AML position, the best option just happens to be a fast, left-footed guy who can only play on the left flank and has great crossing, and I'm not going to sacrifice that just to have everyone cutting inside, even though that is very powerful as well. But it gives some flexibility and unpredictability when the two flanks doing two different things. Sadly, even good wingers will sometimes just pointlessly dribble straight into the opposition full-back and it leads to a counter. I guess there's a reason why the pure old-school wing play is no longer fashionable. Because defences have just gotten too good. But having one guy putting in crosses can still be a useful weapon in the manager's arsenal sometimes.
@@No14210 Typically, wingers were deployed exclusively on the flanks to stretch opponents and deliver crosses, a role that complemented the traditional two-striker system. However, modern football has transitioned away from the two-striker formation, with wingers often cutting inside to occupy more central positions and full backs becoming wing backs who are now inside forwards. Due to the emphasis on key passes, assists, and goals in both football management simulations and real-world fan perception, inside forwards are frequently considered superior to wingers. While winger ability to create space and facilitate scoring opportunities for capable attacking minded midfielders is still underrated, no insider forward can do that if you have good attacking minded midfielders.
I've been waiting on this one! Wingers are under-utilised by the FM community at a top level!!
Definitely! I think if you went through all my tactics (at least ones with a back 4), the Winger shows up in most of them
I agree its one of my favorite roles
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker, ever since I've seen watching your video, I've really learnt alot
best explanation dude !
Winger in AMR try to lurk opponent
Winger in MR try to lure opponent
yes the difference is just one letter😄
That visual comparing the winger with cuts inside instruction vs inverted winger was fascinating! Do have a special affinity to the old school roles.
I do I think! My favorite role is the #10 playmaker even though I don't use it a ton; and I think if you looked at all my tactics (at least ones with a back 4), a Winger shows up in almost all of them
Best Football Manager channel! Great stuff.
Wow, thanks!
I have been using a winger(on attack) that is feeding my tm, ss and volante goals. Amazing role.
Winger (A) is a killer role... give him players to pass to and you'll see crazy production
LOVE that You said something about cut-inside-winger. For me it is totally different role then regular winger and inverted winger (really, it should be a separate player role). Cut-Inside-winger [a] is more well-rounded inside forward (he can and will cross) but also more attacking then inverted winger [a] (more diagonal dribbles). Great video as always!
thanks!! and yea, sometimes the Inside Forward (especially two of them) will clog the attacking midfield, especially if you're trying to get some kind of AM role to work. A Winger (with a cut inside) can help alleviate that
Wakey wakey, DLP dropped another video
I think this role is underrated in FM24, I've been using it in my saves and it just works, specially in a possession based tactics because they keep the width more than the inverted wingers.
It really is a killer role. Vital too to create the width in a tactic
This is a channel FM community needed, awesome content 🙌
thank you my friend!!
Im addicted to your vids bro 😭
Maybe the best compliment!
Great vid! Waiting for the advanced playmaker 🙏🏽
Safe to say I was the first to join the patreon and discord (can’t contribute financially yet) but as for this role, doesn’t typically score for me but man is it an assist machine with the right players. Even without a lot of pace in the premier league, good mentals and technicals have made it lethal with the right roles around it
There is a discord ? 😮
@@joostja1675yessir he mentioned it at the end of the video
The mentals really come in handy when you see him drifting around while the ball is on the opposite flank
Great stuff as always, would love a Sweeper Keeper video 😉
I really do need a SK video... they have so much going on and can affect your team. I fear that the video will just turn into me ranting about how my goalies keeps kicking it long when I tell him not to haha
ive got a winger on attack (olise) but ive told him to cut inside with the ball...unbelievable player
Great video again! Thank you! You should have links in the description for both the patreon page and the discord channel. And a video thought! How about making a video where you see the opponents formation in the match tab during a match and explain to us in your own unique manner how the opposition roles work, what you are expecting to happen in the match, what istructions the AI team has on and how you are facing them without changing completely your own tactic. Match management that is? Maybe...
A match management video, that's a really good idea! I've toyed around with some before but I may need to get back at it
Love you videos , man gave me a lot of insights to my moneyball saves.
I have 2 requests, if you fullfil them in your upcoming vidoes i would he so happy.
1) please do a role explanation about raumdeuter
2) could you also provide tactical insights in relation to moneyball saves without attributes what to look for in each roles and what not too
Thank you! Happy the videos are helping out. Per your questions:
1) The Raumeuter should be (sometime) soon!
2) I will say, MustermannFM is the king of moneyball stuff so check him out! I don't think I've got anything immediate with moneyball stuff at the moment. But I do love the suggestion! Maybe I can work something on it.
Great video, plus more content by way of discord discussion….I’m there
Still waiting for the AF role but good video as always
Patreon and discord? This can’t be true!!!😍
Will u do some type of regular save? These videos were super useful so far, keep up the good work man!
Thanks! i've thought about save ideas, but nothing concrete. The difficulty is that I make these videos to be (mostly) self contained, so people new to the channel can hop in wherever they want and won't be lost. My fear would be if I did a save like "Winger: Episode 9 with Luton!" that people would just skip it/miss out/ignore it if they hadn't watched the previous episodes.
Hope that makes sense haha. And thanks again for the support!!
Great vid as always bud, maybe a follow up with a wing play tactics breakdown could be on the cards.
Dang wing play!!! I was thinking of some more tactic video ideas and that'd be perfect... you don't need to convince me to make more videos using a 442 haha
I always thought of wingers as more supportive players, there to stay wide and get in crosses, so used IF far more - but in an old save I had a young winger I'd bring off the bench (winger support) and he scored so many goals late on from crosses to the back post where he came in late completely unmarked
He finds a lot of open space since he's usually unmarked when the ball is on the opposite flank; can be really dangerous in front of goal
HE'S DONE IT AGAIN
Another banger ❤
Also can u make a video in the future discussing how to make a good training schedule? There’s so many options and idk what’s the priority to develop a players attributes.
Absolutely!! I've got a video idea on how to prep for a match (installing your tactic, what to do for the week ahead to train) and how it relates to general training. It's not an imminent release, but keep an eye out in the future
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thank you!
Another great video man. What fm skin do you use?
Thanks! It's the Rensie Dark FM24 skin; I found it on FMScout
I’m curious if you think having a winger on “cuts inside” would be a good combo with the overlap TI on that winger’s side. In my mind this would encourage the winger to wait just a second for the fullback to catch up and still provide width and offer an outlet once the defense collapse.
that would probably be a good example of how I would use the team instruction (overlap). The Winger will stay wide, and you're telling him to look for the overlap if it's on, but if it's not he'll still be doing his normal Winger stuff.
Great suggestion!
winger has been the most effective assisting role in game for me, nothing has come close
His through ball ability is to die for. The one with the Poacher in this video is glorius
thank youuuuuu!
No problem!! Hope you enjoyed it... or at least found it mildly informative haha
Target Forward please 🙏. My favorite type of striker
Love the TF!! Hope to do the TF when I make my way back to a striker role video
Take your time. Whatever you upload gonna be a banger anyway 🔥
@@nazyalenskyy66 🙌
Does having 'wrong foot' wingers in the winger role affect their performance? ie a left footed winger on the right winger role rather than the inverted winger role
It affects their performance, but it's not necessarily bad per se. If you've got a left footed winger on the right, they'll play like a normal winger. But sometimes you'll see them cut inside when they're in the penalty area (even if you don't have the instruction) because they want to get on their dominant foot. It creates some unique situations (both good and bad) but I generally don't mind it
Do the attacking IWs play diagonal balls to the centre as well?
I believe one of the IW focus on through balls as well (can't remember if it's support or attack lol)
We wait with bated breathe till the day we get a DLP video. We can only hope...
It may comes sooner, or it may come later, but it'll be worth it when it's released! (I mean maybe... it'll probably be exactly like the others haha)
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker just like a true DLP, dictating tempo.
Agreed!
Good Video.
If we are talking about winger and their crosses Target man need to be mentoned lol.
Dang you're right lol. I'll make an adendum when I release the "Winger: Sequel" video
I noticed that wingers on Attack duty tend to track back less often. Do you agree?
I think they for sure do it less than support or some other roles. Sometimes I like using them in that traditional 442 position since it'll force them to move back into their starting position. Attributes like teamwork and work rate can help conteract this as well
do you know if there is any difference between the attacking playmaker and attacking midfielder at CAM positionally ?
A playmaker is what's called a "focus role" meaning they have a hidden instruction telling his teammates to pass to them more often. He'll also track to the ball more often when you have possession.
The CAM is more of your traditional midfielder that you're telling to play more aggressive and get in front of goal more (on the attack duty)
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thank you so much
hey can you make videos about team fluidity please? i am still confused about that 😂
As far as I know, team fluidity (if you mean the little identification at the bottom of the tactic) doesn't affect your team. It's a left over feature from older FM's where you could alter how fluid your team could play. Now it just shows how many defend/support/attack roles you have.
I believe the AI uses it to set up there formations but other than that it doesn't really have relevance to us as a player in FM24.
If you search around some of the SI tactic forums, you can find some more info. I belive SI and some high level mods have come out and said fluidity doesn't really change much.
Hope that helps!
Please can you do a video on the wide target forward role?
Been working on some target forward stuff (and wide as well). Nothing imminent, but hope to get it on the release schedule in the future. Thank you for the support (and the patience)!
The wingers can cut inside now?
Yep; I think they added the instruction maybe this version or last year
Excuse me sir, what FM skin are you using?
It's the Rensie Dark FM24 skin. Should be able to find it on FMScout; fantastic skin
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thank you very much, keep up the enthusiasm for creating FM content, I'm really looking forward to other videos from your channel...
why my wing backs not giving pass to amrl player? they always running with ball and crossing
use full back. Wing Back prefer dribble while Full Back prefer pass and move, but Full Back's downside is they aren't as adventurous as Wing Back even with "Get further forward" player instruction.
@@Brazio20 and my inside forward always choose build up with pass. why he is not choosing dribbling or risky pass to forward?
@@volkanpalut1993 sorry mate, I don't have the answer for that
Play full backs on defend
Like the others have said, try using a full back. Won't dribble as much as a WB. As far as the IF issues, it's tough to tell. May switch them from support to attack and see if that helps?
Simple roles in FM can allow for flexibility 😂
Sometimes simple is better haha
The role of Lamine Yamal 😂
I almost used him as the player example lol; but if I remember he's pretty one footed (compared with Dembele) so I liked the comparison between Dembele and my lower league player Bruno instead
Shame inside forwards are so overpowered at the moment
Personally I've recently started using a full-back + winger on one side, and a wing-back + IF on the other. I used to have FBs on both sides, which is very safe, but lacks a little "bang" up front. Although it depends on the players in my squad. Sometimes on that AML position, the best option just happens to be a fast, left-footed guy who can only play on the left flank and has great crossing, and I'm not going to sacrifice that just to have everyone cutting inside, even though that is very powerful as well. But it gives some flexibility and unpredictability when the two flanks doing two different things.
Sadly, even good wingers will sometimes just pointlessly dribble straight into the opposition full-back and it leads to a counter. I guess there's a reason why the pure old-school wing play is no longer fashionable. Because defences have just gotten too good. But having one guy putting in crosses can still be a useful weapon in the manager's arsenal sometimes.
@@No14210 Typically, wingers were deployed exclusively on the flanks to stretch opponents and deliver crosses, a role that complemented the traditional two-striker system. However, modern football has transitioned away from the two-striker formation, with wingers often cutting inside to occupy more central positions and full backs becoming wing backs who are now inside forwards.
Due to the emphasis on key passes, assists, and goals in both football management simulations and real-world fan perception, inside forwards are frequently considered superior to wingers. While winger ability to create space and facilitate scoring opportunities for capable attacking minded midfielders is still underrated, no insider forward can do that if you have good attacking minded midfielders.
The most important role in Route One Brexit football, along with a target forward
Not sure why I didn't mention a TF even once in this video, so you're comment will have to do hahaha