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Fix Your FM24 Tactics with Balanced Mentality
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2023
- Balanced mentality is a great for building exactly the tactic you want to see in Football Manager 2024. It offers a blank slate where you can configure everything, and doesn't have any tweaks that can endanger or imbalance your setup! If you're struggling, switch to Balanced and go back to basics!
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Very good information; no one in this FM community talks about this. Thank you very much. New players can get a very good idea from this, and I am sure even experienced players haven't noticed this balance in attacking player roles from mentality changes! You are the best FM content creator in tactics, player positions, and roles segments. I, being a relatively old FM player from 2013-14, even i didn't notice or know some of the things you have mentioned about player roles, their combination, and effects at that exact moment of time in games. Thank you, mate! Salute to you!
I'm thrilled to help in any little bit, glad you're enjoying the content! :)
@@theavgdad Maybe because I am experienced, and having some understandig of the game deeply. I find most Football Manager (FM) content creators' content misleading. In some cases, it feels like they themselves don't know what they are talking about. Sometimes, their content is not well-explained and misleading for new players , and sometimes it's completely wrong. Since it's RUclips, they can post whatever they like, but new players can get totally wrong information, ruining their gaming experience. I hate to see people having a bad experience with this beautiful game.
I have watched 4 or 5 of your videos, and I find them all good with informative content for new players. You are doing very good with good content mate. The only other FM channel I find interesting is 'Evidence Based Football Manager'; others are just not that great. If you know any other good genuein FM content RUclipsrs, please mention their names; it would be a big help.
I also have a suggestion to make. I've commented this on other videos too, but I want to specifically suggest here because new players will greatly benefit. While showing players, please use polygons, and for intensive understanding of players, mention attributes, this method would be good for new players please.
True, if you play short passing, you need a narrow formation, and Inside forwards with the cut inside trait instead of Wingers .
as an American who watches zero soccer and generally knows nothing about the sport but plays FM all the time, these videos are incredibly helpful. For whatever reason, I always think a half back is the guy that is going to run the ball through the defense. And the DLP is the guy who is going to throw (kick) the ball to my forwards.I guess it doesn't work that way.
To be fair a DLP can definitely play that quarterback role although it really, really depends - as much as we all want that, it doesn't work unless there's space for the forward to run onto, so more likely that the DLP will play more of an 'architect' role. Happy that you're getting value out of the vids :)
Great video, I noticed in FM23 my tactic suffered a lot on positive despite usually being the better team on paper. I couldn’t control games and my team was too exposed defensively, particularly away from home. Switching to balanced solved these issues (better ball retention, less pot shots from awkward angles etc) and we could actually dominate the teams we were supposed to. Think you explained how and why this happens very well.
I would love if you made a video explaining what you think is best to do when chasing a goal desperately in the final 10 minutes of a game. This may be confirmation bias but in my experience going gung-ho (attacking/very attacking mentality, going more direct, much higher tempo, duties switched to attack and physically putting more players forward) often has the adverse effect in that we no longer create chances, concede possession and rarely score goals despite throwing the kitchen sink at the opponent. I usually find persevering with my tactic and making subtle tweaks more helpful but I still don’t score enough in these situations and would appreciate if you could give any advice on how to better approach them in the future
Thank you! And this is a great idea, I'll definitely work on a video there - but you're absolutely right that going very attacking etc doesn't work on its own and that subtle tweaks are generally way better. If you're throwing players forward you still need a way to get the ball to them, meaning a couple of creative lads staying back and winning the second ball.
Anything between Defensive and Attacking works very well for me with various systems. There is no "best", but there is of course a "best" mentality for the style of play most people like to play which is pressing and possession I guess
For pressing and possession you should play cautious mentality set up with higher defensive and engagement lines. Lower tempo and standard passing. You could add counter in transition and, if you increase pressing to more, add regroup. You could add to your goalkeeper to distribute quickly. And play a little bit narrower.
The game in FM 24 confused a lot of people at first because it seemed to be impossible to defend. After a while of suffering it has become clear the key to good performances is all about balance of risk. It's not just the mentality, although I have noticed that balanced works well this year, But it is balancing all the other risks inside your tactic. Pressing and counter attacking are risks as well as high lines. all these now need to be balanced according to the combined team average ratings for significant attrbutes. In FM 24, this has become a lot more fun and a lot more scary because of the need to achieve this balance.
Beautifully put!
It depends a lot on what kind of team we are, relative to the most opponents we face. If we're the dominant, positive should be the starting posture, then change it as the match goes, not the other way around.
That starting mentality sends the players firm idea, about what we want them to do. It's like we send the message to the team. So when we later change it inside the match, they knew that the changes are their "temporary". The positive one is still their base, their "permanent".
I found balanced work great for me in fm23. I used balanced initially in my current save with Admira Wacker but over time I have got a lot better players to play with a positive mentality. I've mainly kept the mentality the same, even if I come up against a team like Barcelona or PSG as I've found that I don't give up many high XG chances to the opposition, even if they have more shots than me. The only thing I have changed on occasion is that if I notice a team is playing a mid block or low block, I bring my line down from higher to a mid block which works a treat
so balanced tactic give you more freedom on how you wanted your team to play based on passing directness and tempo
I wasn’t familiar with ur game 🤨 u jus earnt a subscriber , top top video
thanks mate! :) welcome aboard
Have a good chief analyst helps on the next opposition report. Study it to understand what is their usual play style. If they are playing cautiously, go positive to apply dominance and your current league position is also part of the factor. I am doing balance if both sides are equal. Currently doing well sassulo with direct counter attack on wing play
Super tip!
Completely agreed, it's my first FM so I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough but I've got a pretty attacking formation, which is a 4231 DM AM short passing high tempo, with one of the midfielders on the 2 being a segundo volante on attack and one of the wingbacks being inverted to cover the space for the volante when they push up, having those roles already makes my formation incredibly attacking without needing to go positive. I'm routinely picking up like 3xG vs worse teams and I always stay on balanced, only really go positive/attacking if I feel like I really need a goal and the game is close to finishing.
So far it's been working lol, on pace to break the championship points record with Leeds and on the FA Cup quarter finals. The prem will probably be a wake up call though, I'm used to playing against teams with worse or at best kinda equal teams to mine, will probably have to change the tactics to be more defensive once I get there.
Damn, you're doing really well! Sounds like the FA cup run might give you an acid test of how you compare to prem teams? Love to hear how you go - my money's on a mid table prem season for you judging by what you're doing now, if you land some good transfers!
@@theavgdad Played a bit more today and I'm in the semis, got lucky with the draw and the only prem draw I've got was Crystal Palace early on. Quarters was against Sunderland and they were better but luckily we won on extra time. Sadly I got Man City lmao, could've gotten West Ham or Norwich and I really had a chance at the finals.
How do you set up for those impossible games? Should I change all my tactics and go full defensive 3atb hoof it to the forward or just tinker with this attacking formation I have? Feel I'll be too exposed but honestly doubt there's much you can do when you go against City as a Championship side lol.
@@francompalmieri You said it, it's a massive challenge so your options are pretty limited! Personally I would do what you're doing and stick to those guns, hoping that City players get complacent or I can kick them a bit, tight mark De Bruyne etc. Your attacking volante for instance might be a trump card since it's unorthodox and City might trip up. There's something to be said for playing a nice tight defensive setup and maybe trying to get a striker in behind their libero. Remember to use your match prep smartly along with whatever approach you decide on!
It might be your first FM, but you're already talking like a seasoned veteran, and if you're breaking league records, you're well on your way.
You asked about how you set up for impossible games against much better sides. Here's a suggestion I have, which may often fail, but sometimes will succeed gloriously. If it fails, you lost nothing, so why not give it a try:
It's not a tactical thing, which is off the point of this video I realise, but a management and optics thing - Play mind games in the media. The team's mental state going into a game seems to have a massive effect in Football Manager, maybe more than it does in real life. If you can play mind games successfully in FM, you have a super powerful tool at your disposal.
Let me give you an example based on a cup tie I had against Man City back in FM19 or FM20, as League One Barnsley. I COULD give you more recent examples, it doesn't only work once every 5 years, this is just the best example I have that's all. The one I always remember the details of.
It was only the early rounds, and in the League Cup, and we were at home. So we had that much going for us. That it happened in the League Cup not the FA Cup was key, because it meant that they were more likely to rest big players and try out youngsters, especially in the early rounds.
In the media, I started pumping up my own team. I was justified in doing this ego-stroking, because we were dominating our division at the time. I waxed poetic on the future my club had before us under my management. We were aiming to get to where Man City currently were. We were aiming high, and in this particular game we were taking on Man City aiming to win, not just to enjoy the day out. I said I considered our chances of beating City to be good.
Guardiola took the bait. His reply was: "I don't think Hadoken truly understands the gulf in class between the two teams"
That's when I knew I had him. That doesn't mean I knew we would win, but I knew that he thought they only needed to turn up to win, and if this translated to his players, which would be significantly weaker than his best side, and would be on my turf not his, and against a League One side that would go on to total a points tally well into 120s, then ANY complacency on City's part meant that they would be in for a serious game. I knew from that moment that if we did our bit, we would have a fighting chance.
His prejudice DID translate to his young, impressionable players.
Manchester City nevertheless raced into an early lead with a 1st minute goal from Sergio Aguero, and honestly they played us off the park for a while (this may have actually been to our benefit in hindsight, as it again helped City feel they had the result in the bag without the need of real effort), but we clawed and scratched our way back into it more and more with every passing minute. By half-time, we were playing and end-to-end, vibrant cup game.
After a successful half time team talk (which I am very good at in terms of getting positive body language from the team), we scored 2 goals early in the 2nd half. From there we came under serious pressure as Man City realised they were in a real fight, but it's hard to raise your game when you start in 2nd gear. Though Man City battered us for the last 20 minutes, I made use of shouts ("focus" in an effort to keep our defensive minded players minds on the job at hand so we didn't give away any morale-shattering gift-wrapped goals to Man City, praising them here and there to let them know I think they're doing brilliantly) and a few tactical tweaks (longer passing, get it forward quickly, sit back a bit further, don't press too early, make them run into a wall of 10 players with one guy up front waiting for the direct ball into space to run onto, upon winning the ball back get it to him ASAP, no screwing around in midfield) and substitutions to keep fresh legs where I needed them. I brought pace on up front in order to stretch them at the back on counterattacks to keep them honest, and with that we did just enough to hold on for the 2-1 win.
A stunning result.
I then went to the media and said words to the effect of: "Guardiola underestimated us badly. Maybe now he will learn that we are coming, we are not going away, we are a force in the game". If memory serves, Guardiola said nothing in response.
Try it yourself. When you have nothing to lose, you have nothing to lose.
More videos :) please. love your explanations. good work :)
Thank you! Will do! :D
Your voice sounds a little bit like Anomaly (he's a CSGO/CS2 youtuber) hahahaha...but seriously, this video helped me a lot. Keep doing videos like this! I'm playing with Bilbao, always loved basque teams like Sociedad and Bilbao.
But does Anomaly have a face for radio like me? :p Ooh, Bilbao! Are you keeping with their local recruitment policy?
@@theavgdad hahahaha he uses a mask! 😂...about Bilbao, I feel the AI it's not well balanced in the case of Bilbao in FM. Lots of players start with 1bi clauses because there's a sense of community about the team, they accept those clauses in real life because it's not easy to the team to find new players. So they do it to at least leave the club in a good financial situation if the proposal it's too good to decline. But in FM they start to ask low clauses when you try to renew their contracts and complain too much if you don't accept proposals, even when they are bad. So it's tough sometimes, morale drops and you can't just sell and buy substitutes hahaha
@@bernardmartinspaz fair enough! I had no clue about that, sounds like it adds a serious challenge to a Bilbao save!
I've tried making a tactic with a balanced mentality but I just can't make it work.
its actually good for tough games
@@siyabendbartin agreed, it can suck when you're against significantly weaker teams but if you want to play good football in a tricky game balanced is really nice
Balanced is great if you're a top team but also playing on of the top 6 teams. I find lower opposition I have to play attacking or positive if they are cautious
For me attacking works best, in my save whit Crystal Palace 1 season I came 5th and 2s I came 5th and 3s I came 2 and won europa League and super league.
Great explanation mate! Thanks!
Glad you're still liking it! :)
@@theavgdad Mate, I'm supporting you all the way! I do like you content, and people seem to like it too. I like the way you explain things to us. Thanks!
Individual mentality is how much and how fast the single can push upfield when the ball is idle, in forward transition. And how much and how fast he can retreat to defense when the ball is lost, in defensive transition. For example attacking mentality is two times faster than balanced in pushing up and two times slower in retreat. Defensive is two times faster in retreat and slower on pushing up. Positive is one time faster and one time slower, respectively.
this is a really cool way to think about it!
I play with attacking mentality with Luton and in the 1st season we go to the champ league after finishing 4th in the league. The only mentality that works for me is positive and attacking.
Woah, insane! What sort of shape and roles were you using?
@@theavgdad 352 sk support bpd cd bpd cwb on attack dm on support b2b rp pf support and af. I'm having a migraine playing with luton because I watch the full match or comprehensive so that I can make a tactical tweak during match. Lol
Attacking mentality in conjunction with counter works well for lower ranked teams the first season due to the AI being a bit too naive, after that you may start to suffer as the AI will do the same.
i always play positive bc i hate balanced i tried with spurs only cuz i support them and it didn’t work and our team is bad on fm
Good video! Subbed! Do you think its possible to win the PL with Luton or Sheff Utd in the first season with no transfers?
I mean, it's possible, but freaking hard! You also would have to hope teams like Arsenal, City and Liverpool have some big injuries etc - United is actually a danger too, they're kinda overrated. Give it a try, let us know how you get on?
you’ve literally saved my save
:D
Nice video! Can you also explain the team fluidity? I dont understand it
Sure! If you watch my player role videos I talk a bit about specialists and generalists - basically a "rigid" team has more predefined jobs, IE specialists. Like, Gattuso wins the ball and gives it to Pirlo who looks to make things happen, BWMd and Reg, big difference in individual mentality and instructions. Compare that to a team with a CMs and a CMd, the players are closer in mentality and don't have such specific instructions, which means more "fluid".
I would be delighted if you could explain it in a video about how this affects the gameplay and thr tactics. Which fluidity should i use for which tactic or gamestyle. Is it bad to set all players attacking? Sometimes my Co-trainer says i should only set about 3-4 players on support for positive mentality because rhats recommended
@@jr673 I'll add it to my list! And honestly, yeah, it can be risky to have lots of attack duty players on positive - the team mentality being positive affects all players anyway, so you might see literally every player trying to score headers from 35 yards etc. Try and strategically sort out your duties - attack duties will get further up the pitch faster, so have some players staying back on support to make later runs or retention passes
I tend to go balanced. It just means when I set roles and duties, my tiny 2D brain can see more easily what's going to happen.
Hahah, yeah, that's why balanced is so great, more people need to learn from you