Viserys is a man who is constantly making the right choice for the wrong reason or the wrong choice for a right reason. Here, he recognizes Otto's duplicity, but the reason he discharges him is flawed, leading to Otto regaining his trust later on.
I disagree, Rhaenyra is correct in her assessment that a powerful figure that directly opposes the designated heir cannot be allowed to exist as the King's Hand, and the Dance proves that. Otto likely regained his trust because his removal wasn't done at Visery's behest.
@@Anthonest1 Larys killed his father who replaced Otto and Viserys probably thought Otto was the better choice since he had previous experience. Viserys did realise how manipulative Otto was but it was too late by then, Viserys biggest mistake was making him hand again which enabled him to plot to usurp Rhaenyra with the small council. Viserys should have picked Corlys for hand after Lyonel's death or even Daemon. Viserys and Daemon would have been good together and balanced each other out with Viserys being calm, patient and diplomatic and Daemon being astute, tough and with a massive backbone would keep those vultures in the small council in their place and they'd be too shit scared to sneeze never mind plot against Viserys behind his back with Daemon as hand looking out for him. Otto wouldn't have have got as far as he did if Daemon was hand
The guy playing Otto is legitimately both hilarious (the heavy 'your grace!) when vizzy mentioned choosing himself over the king was funny af - like he cant believe the insinuation. But when the king mentioned allicent and her support it flashed back to otto with a CLEAR look of 'oh no, he's noticing my threads'. A split second micro expression that said it all.
"The crown and the realm owe you a debt that can never be repaid" I believe those are the customary words for when the crown fires people. Heard it a couple times in game of thrones as well
@windserpent406 Just saw the last episode and this time the usual formality was not used by Aegon. I believe it means to show how little he knows and cares about protocol!
@@sandskull90 However small or trifling it may seem, these protocols and traditions exist for a reason. When the time comes for a powerful man or woman to dismiss someone who has been in his/her service for a considerable amount of time and has performed their tasks diligently and efficiently throughout the period of their service, the least you could do is look them in the eye and acknowledge their service in a dignified respectful way. A wise person should always make sure to part ways with their allies on amicable terms so they at least don't have to worry about any kind of hostilities between them in the future. It serves absolutely no purpose, other than the satisfaction of one's own vanity, to simply dismiss people on a whim, not to mention mocking them and antagonizing them after they've worked so hard and so diligently the way Aegon did to Otto.
Viserys: your interests are no longer aligned with the realm, I can no longer trust your judgment. Aegon: beat it old man, I need someone cool, like Cole Aid Man.
There is one interesting thing I found about Viserys removing Otto in this episode: Viserys removes Otto as part of his agreement with Rhaenyra that she marries Laenor. In episode 7 Viserys undos his end when he brings Otto back and in that same episode, Rhaenrya ends her marriage with Laenor.
I think Otto is in a constant battle between his two natures, and he continuously chooses to favor the darker half. He doesn’t value the parts of himself that make others appreciate who he is. His ambition blinds him to the fact that he is a valued father and a devoted friend, and only after his ambition has been quelled is he able to realize what it costs him.
That's a good way of putting it. He does value viserys as a friend and he truly has the best intentions for the whole realm but his ambition to elevate his family blinds him and now he reaps what he sows with his grandson. A realisation that has come far too late for him
Otto has a severe case of self-fulfilling prophecy. He worries that the realm won't accept Rhaenyra's legitimacy and Daemon might pull shenanigans. So he thinks best to marry Viscerys and get a son. Allicent is a pawn under his control, so best case scenario for a queen. He completely forgets to factor in that he's just made conflict even more likely and sowed distrust that will break the family. He's not a horrible person but he's not a loving person, and he's a bad father, so it doesn't occur to him to just trust that the Targs will figure things out for themselves.
If viserys had any brains at all he would’ve kept it this way until his death, Otto should’ve been as far away from kings landing as possible, when you dismiss the hand of the king you do not rehire him years later, hell if I were viserys in this situation I would’ve had Otto assassinated before he reached old town
exactly!!! otto wanted his bloodline to be on the throne. why do you think he made his daughter "go to him and comfort him" right after the funeral of Rhaenyra's mother? Also, whenever Daemon and Rhaenyra were heirs, Otto would send out spies to tell Viserys what they did wrong in order to make Viserys not make them heirs anymore. Even Alicent was doing the same thing to Rhaenyra all the time.
Only a competent ruler thinks this way and Viserys was not competent. Viserys was a good man but not suitable for politics. Rhaenys would have been far better
@@kelseyoconnor3951 Any other lord would have done the same, getting his daugther married to the king, to gain power, Corlys wanted the same, Daemon was doing bad things, as hand he should report all kind of stuff that what's going on in the city even when his intentions were not pure at all, at the end i do not excuse otto but in the medieval time they were living it's expected lol.
Otto, with the help of the Maesters, killed Viserys slowly over the years. Even when a black maester once came with a different treatment he was swiftly dismissed
Viserys is a weak king and dominated by all those around him. Otto does care about his own interests, but also fills the empty throne and manages the realm well.
@@seandilallo8718Manages the realm well? The stepstones would still be under control of the Triarchy if it were up to him. He was activaly harming the realm just to spite Corlys. He even gave them fucking back to the Triarchy just to screw with Rhaenyra, which in turn fucked up Aegon III until the new Lord of Driftmark dealt with them again, this man is like a failed Tywin, not a semblance of long term planning, not wonder his line died out.
Yea, if I was king. I would have made that decision too. Not because of the calculation but the fact his house has gained too much power. A queen and hand are too powerful of a position for one house to have. There has to be a balance of power when letting other houses take major titles.
@@unclephillymya but wouldn’t you agree the alliance was out of lust? Viserys had an opportunity to keep the the blood of old Valyria pure and I feel like the house veloryon would have been a more powerful alliance that the rulers of oldtown
Fr. At first I believe he was a good man and hand he didn’t care as long as it wasn’t daemon who sat the throne because he was one of the biggest pushers in getting Viserys to name rhaenrya as heir. But once alicent married Viserys he saw an opportunity for his line to secure the throne and he took it
@@albdamned577 unfitting imaginative example because he pushed the marriage not just the sex. Moral greyness is grey not white with a tiny speck of darkness on it. Many people think too bipolarly. Otto had good intentions, bad actions. But then you have someone like Larys Strong who is actually pure evil
I feel bad for Otto here, personally. Like... he just lost his job that he loves. You could tell Otto was hurt. Not frustrated, or angry, but just... hurt.
You shouldn’t feel bad for him. He’s a lying schemer. All he cared about was weeding his family into the line of succession. Dude is the Littlefinger equivalent of the show.
@Kaldrean No, Littlefinger has done far worse, and at least Otto was only doing what any Lord of the Realm would ideally do. Corlys offered his, what, 12 year old daughter to the King, and that's fine, but Otto offers his own daughter (who, to be fair, is only slightly older) for a contender and suddenly he's evil for it? What all did Otto lie about up to this point? He was fine as Hand and all, but once the King needed a new wife and an heir, he offered his daughter. So... why not, what makes Corlys' option any less ambitious? And following the way of succession as it often goes, Aegon II is the true heir. The Great Council of 101 AC only made this more solidified for all to hear; A male heir comes before a female one in the line of succession for the Iron Throne Its the only reason Viserys is King, and not Rhaenys as Queen. Just saying... up to this point in the story, Otto had been a capable Hand, and spoke the truth about Daemon and Rhaenyra
@@thalmoragent9344 he may not have been as bad as littlefinger but all he truly cared about was putting his own bloodline on the throne. Case and point how he planned to go against viserys wishes all along after he died. He literally told the commander of the king guards to go kill Rhaenyra and her children. He never cared about the kings wishes or desires. He is fully self serving and a schemer under a false guise of friendship.
@Kaldrean He did care about the King's wishes and desires, but once Aegon was passed over for Rhaenyra, Otto was 100% correct in knowing that Alicent's kids with Viserys would be in danger. Even centuries later, people like Daenerys, Sansa, etc all understand how Jon just saying "I don't want it" doesn't matter, cause he's the last male heir of House Targaryen. So, how is Otto saying the same so wrong? If Aemma lived, gave Viserys a son who lived, and Viserys named the baby his Heir, Otto would've continued to serve well, regardless of Baelon being his blood or not. Otto is the actual politician here. Murder of the Black's is undoubtedly a dick move, however. But once Aegon/Alicent send forth an idea of peace, Otto takes it. He's not hell bent on blood, such as Daemon often is
Viserys is a weak king and dominated by all those around him. Otto does care about his own interests, but also fills the empty throne and manages the realm well.
He's never done anything that harmed or undermined Viserys' reign. He's never done anything to advance himself that would've also harmed or hindered Viserys. Otto was a good Hand.
@@garlantyrell6368 I mean, Corlys also wanted for his daughter (who was even younger than Alicent) to the King as well. So, why does Corlys get a free pass? Also, keep in mind, if Alicent only gave Viserys daughters, of course Rhaenyra would still be Heir. BUT, she gave him a trueborn son. Not just one, but 3. Rhaenyra was a temporary solution to a still existing problem in regards to the Iron Throne being passed down by the way it has been since its creation. Maegor usurped the Throne, but aside from him, it's the Eldest Male descendant of the King that has the rightful claim. So.... yeah, just saying, Rhaenyra wasn't the rightful Heir after Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron were born. If Viserys REALLY wanted Rhaenyra as heir, he shouldn't have had more kids, KNOWING one of those kids would be a male. Princess Rhaenys literally explains this to Rhaenyra in the beginning of the season, how are you guys still missing this?
@@thalmoragent9344Because Corlys was direct and clear, making a proper proposition that while self-serving, and he dosnt exactly hide it, is long term better for the realm. Otto on the other hand send his daughter to have the king seduced, taking advanta that he was grieving, then manipulated his judgement when he searched for his council. Also, Rhaenyra is the heir just as Baelon was the heir, picked by the king. To say that the andals law takes prescedent from the king's will, is daying that Viserys is not the king
I think he was just recalling how otto became hand but it honestly is good speculation that he had something to do with the former hands sudden death I didn’t think that way
No, GRRM has confirmed his father died of a burst appendix. Viserys is just emphasizing how quickly Otto rose from just a courtier to the second most powerful man in the kingdom.
I think he’s just saying that he used Baelon’s death to advance in the court. Positioned himself as a viable replacement as Hand, and likely played Jaehaerys’ heart strings who was grieving his son in order to be selected. It’s not really sinister, but I could see how it could be viewed as slimy
I believe this is correct. Otto became Hand while the king was grieving his son, and his daughter became queen when Viserys was grieving his wife. Viserys is making the connection of Otto manipulating others' grief to put himself in a position of power.
This time, Otto was clearly in the right. Rhaenyra not only lied to Alicent(lying on her mother's grave, a sort spot for Alicent, hence why she "declares war"), but Otto, despite giving this news to Viserys, doesn't enjoy it at all. It's not to put Aegon first, it's because he legitimately wanted Viserys to know the truth. It clearly hurts both of these men, as they are such close friends.
Lol, Otto served the realm for decades, always gave good counsel for two kings, he gave his friend his daughter's hand in marriage, who was a good wife to him and gave him three sons. All that and the king dismisses his father in law for telling him the truth. In Otto's place I would be fucking livid. He was as good a hand as you could hope for. "Calculated distraction"...cry me a river, as if Viserys is some 5 year old toddler with no accountability, the marriage was his choice, his responsiblity. Of course everyone has ulterior motives, everyone seeks to advance his own station on the side, of course they all wanted him to marry their daughters for the political benefit. It could have been a mutual benefit. Viserys's judgment is compromised, he put his emotions above the interests of the realm.
Otto Hightower was a social-climbing sneak who indulged in the corruption of King's Landing. He used his daughter like a pawn, first with comforting Jaehaerys in his old age (and there's some rumours in the book of what she did while looking after him) and then with Viserys. Otto never cared about the realm, he never cared about giving good counsel. The show made that quite clear by contrasting him with Lyonel Strong. If Viserys is guilty of putting his own blood above the realm, then Otto is certainly guilty of that too. The king named his heir, and Otto did everything in his power to undermine that decree. All because he hated Daemon and because he wanted his own blood on the Iron Throne.
@@mohammedismail147that wasn’t true tho, sons didn’t auto get the throne before daughters like the way the first horns is first in line. Viserys name his daughter his air. They usurped her
@@hopesweeney-qx3ur actually they did, but his daughter would've been the first ever Queen of the 7 Kingdoms. The council was scared that this decision would cause a civil war, and they were absolutely right. Literally more than half of the heads of houses were not in agreeance. Viserys was a kind king, but WEAK. Sons did get priority when it came to birthright.
Otto did what any other Lord would have done ,put his blood in throne. Its kinda insane how Viserys blames him but he was not force to marry Alicent, he choose her even when he was adviced to marry Laena, the dance was going to happen with or without Otto involving himself and his family.
Have you actually watched the scene where aegon fires otto ? I would argue that's much more understanding than viserys firing otto. The complete lack of tact and respect that otto shows aegon compared to viserys and given what aegon has already went through in his first few months as king. All viserys was dealing with in this scenario was sex scandals and wedding off rhaenyra. While aegon has to deal with a civil was starting and his own son being murdered by the other side.
He discharged him because Rhaenyra asked him to. Because her and Daemon got caught in a brothel. Otto is a good person. Viserys was good too but he was hasty with his decision making.
Viserys is a weak king and dominated by all those around him. Otto does care about his own interests, but also fills the empty throne and manages the realm well.
This is the real reason Otto didn't want Rhaenyra on the throne because she knew he wasn't trustworthy just like Daemon did and Otto knew it. He knew Rhaenyra becoming Queen would put him in a precarious position because unlike Viserys who he could easily manipulate Rhaenyra wouldn't swallow his bullshit so easily especially with Daemon by her side. Thats why Otto planted the seed of doubt in Alicent to get her to change Viserys' mind even when removed from office Otto was scheming and manipulating Rhaenyra's one mistake was leaving Otto alive she should have had Syrax roast him and that would have weakened Alicent and the others because Alicent isn't as smart as she thinks she is her and Otto caused the war with their meddling and scheming
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Otto in S2 Ep2 : “Ah, shit. Here we go again.”
But this time, he got replaced by a dumbass instead of a smart and wise lord😂
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Viserys did it with more style though.
@@tiffles3890wayyyy more lol
Viserys is a man who is constantly making the right choice for the wrong reason or the wrong choice for a right reason. Here, he recognizes Otto's duplicity, but the reason he discharges him is flawed, leading to Otto regaining his trust later on.
That is a very good summary of Viserys character…
I disagree, Rhaenyra is correct in her assessment that a powerful figure that directly opposes the designated heir cannot be allowed to exist as the King's Hand, and the Dance proves that.
Otto likely regained his trust because his removal wasn't done at Visery's behest.
@@Anthonest1 Larys killed his father who replaced Otto and Viserys probably thought Otto was the better choice since he had previous experience. Viserys did realise how manipulative Otto was but it was too late by then, Viserys biggest mistake was making him hand again which enabled him to plot to usurp Rhaenyra with the small council. Viserys should have picked Corlys for hand after Lyonel's death or even Daemon.
Viserys and Daemon would have been good together and balanced each other out with Viserys being calm, patient and diplomatic and Daemon being astute, tough and with a massive backbone would keep those vultures in the small council in their place and they'd be too shit scared to sneeze never mind plot against Viserys behind his back with Daemon as hand looking out for him. Otto wouldn't have have got as far as he did if Daemon was hand
The guy playing Otto is legitimately both hilarious (the heavy 'your grace!) when vizzy mentioned choosing himself over the king was funny af - like he cant believe the insinuation.
But when the king mentioned allicent and her support it flashed back to otto with a CLEAR look of 'oh no, he's noticing my threads'. A split second micro expression that said it all.
"The crown and the realm owe you a debt that can never be repaid"
I believe those are the customary words for when the crown fires people. Heard it a couple times in game of thrones as well
Thanks, but goodbye forever!
Mayhap but this time i think Viserys is honest. Otto really pretty good as Hand. I'm not telling about scheming
@windserpent406 Just saw the last episode and this time the usual formality was not used by Aegon. I believe it means to show how little he knows and cares about protocol!
@@sandskull90 However small or trifling it may seem, these protocols and traditions exist for a reason. When the time comes for a powerful man or woman to dismiss someone who has been in his/her service for a considerable amount of time and has performed their tasks diligently and efficiently throughout the period of their service, the least you could do is look them in the eye and acknowledge their service in a dignified respectful way. A wise person should always make sure to part ways with their allies on amicable terms so they at least don't have to worry about any kind of hostilities between them in the future.
It serves absolutely no purpose, other than the satisfaction of one's own vanity, to simply dismiss people on a whim, not to mention mocking them and antagonizing them after they've worked so hard and so diligently the way Aegon did to Otto.
@@patrickmartin6449 +1
Unless the other side has violated it, maintain decorum and decency.
Viserys: your interests are no longer aligned with the realm, I can no longer trust your judgment.
Aegon: beat it old man, I need someone cool, like Cole Aid Man.
LMAO! Perfect comparison!
There is one interesting thing I found about Viserys removing Otto in this episode:
Viserys removes Otto as part of his agreement with Rhaenyra that she marries Laenor.
In episode 7 Viserys undos his end when he brings Otto back and in that same episode, Rhaenrya ends her marriage with Laenor.
I think Otto is in a constant battle between his two natures, and he continuously chooses to favor the darker half. He doesn’t value the parts of himself that make others appreciate who he is. His ambition blinds him to the fact that he is a valued father and a devoted friend, and only after his ambition has been quelled is he able to realize what it costs him.
That's a good way of putting it. He does value viserys as a friend and he truly has the best intentions for the whole realm but his ambition to elevate his family blinds him and now he reaps what he sows with his grandson. A realisation that has come far too late for him
Otto has a severe case of self-fulfilling prophecy. He worries that the realm won't accept Rhaenyra's legitimacy and Daemon might pull shenanigans. So he thinks best to marry Viscerys and get a son. Allicent is a pawn under his control, so best case scenario for a queen.
He completely forgets to factor in that he's just made conflict even more likely and sowed distrust that will break the family. He's not a horrible person but he's not a loving person, and he's a bad father, so it doesn't occur to him to just trust that the Targs will figure things out for themselves.
If viserys had any brains at all he would’ve kept it this way until his death, Otto should’ve been as far away from kings landing as possible, when you dismiss the hand of the king you do not rehire him years later, hell if I were viserys in this situation I would’ve had Otto assassinated before he reached old town
exactly!!! otto wanted his bloodline to be on the throne. why do you think he made his daughter "go to him and comfort him" right after the funeral of Rhaenyra's mother? Also, whenever Daemon and Rhaenyra were heirs, Otto would send out spies to tell Viserys what they did wrong in order to make Viserys not make them heirs anymore. Even Alicent was doing the same thing to Rhaenyra all the time.
@@kelseyoconnor3951the problem is Otto is the who supported and backed Rynera as Kings successor
Only a competent ruler thinks this way and Viserys was not competent. Viserys was a good man but not suitable for politics. Rhaenys would have been far better
@@kelseyoconnor3951 Any other lord would have done the same, getting his daugther married to the king, to gain power, Corlys wanted the same, Daemon was doing bad things, as hand he should report all kind of stuff that what's going on in the city even when his intentions were not pure at all, at the end i do not excuse otto but in the medieval time they were living it's expected lol.
Right
He will be back soon enough 🤚
Sadly
Otto, with the help of the Maesters, killed Viserys slowly over the years. Even when a black maester once came with a different treatment he was swiftly dismissed
Viserys finding out too late Daemon was right about Otto.
Viserys found out too late that Otto was right about Daemon*
The two best characters in the show
Otto is like those politicians who only shows the truth which benefits them even if it is at the cost of the realm.
Viserys is a weak king and dominated by all those around him. Otto does care about his own interests, but also fills the empty throne and manages the realm well.
@@seandilallo8718Manages the realm well? The stepstones would still be under control of the Triarchy if it were up to him. He was activaly harming the realm just to spite Corlys. He even gave them fucking back to the Triarchy just to screw with Rhaenyra, which in turn fucked up Aegon III until the new Lord of Driftmark dealt with them again, this man is like a failed Tywin, not a semblance of long term planning, not wonder his line died out.
@@DM-Ozthe hightowers are one of richest and powerful houses in Westeros. Their line didn’t die out. One of Robert’s kingsguard was a Hightower
@@mohammedismail147Aerys's, Lord Commander was a Hightower.
@@Papaty25 yes my bad. Gerald Hightower wasn’t it. But he Otto and alicent line was wiped out. He descends from one of his brothers
so ready for season 2
This might be one of those rare moments that Viserys did the right thing. He should have get rid of Hightowers long ago.
He was no more self-serving than any lord in this universe.
Yea, if I was king. I would have made that decision too. Not because of the calculation but the fact his house has gained too much power. A queen and hand are too powerful of a position for one house to have. There has to be a balance of power when letting other houses take major titles.
Nah Otto is the GOAT.
Wish he kept it this way
@@jmod6625good take. Can’t have them whispering in each other’s ears while both whispering in yours.
If his grace thought the lord hand was so treasonous and deceptive why did he reappoint Otto? King Viserys was very fickle.
That's the point. He was too weak to be king, but he was a good man
His other hand died burned alive with his son next to him 😂😂
But really... the Hightowers have money and power; the Maesters work at Oldtown for example. So the king needs this alliance
@@unclephillymya but wouldn’t you agree the alliance was out of lust? Viserys had an opportunity to keep the the blood of old Valyria pure and I feel like the house veloryon would have been a more powerful alliance that the rulers of oldtown
@@unclephillymyanothing stood in his way to appoint another hand that wasn't otto after the fire.
And this is another thing about Viserys he isnt a fool.
Yes he is. Just look at the end result. Plus he reinstated Otto on Alicent's request. He was a fool.
@youshallnotpass2140 He isn't so blind he's passive, but also aware is what I mean.
Good old Dr. Connors
lol Otto got busted
Lol people describing Otto as a good man clearly missed his sinister nature.
Fr. At first I believe he was a good man and hand he didn’t care as long as it wasn’t daemon who sat the throne because he was one of the biggest pushers in getting Viserys to name rhaenrya as heir. But once alicent married Viserys he saw an opportunity for his line to secure the throne and he took it
Dude whored out his child daughter so his grandkids would be royalty anyone who says he's a good man is delusional
He’s neither good nor bad
@@Ephraim-Michael Imagine your father pushing you to sleep with a much older man, and then tell me he is neither...
@@albdamned577 unfitting imaginative example because he pushed the marriage not just the sex. Moral greyness is grey not white with a tiny speck of darkness on it. Many people think too bipolarly. Otto had good intentions, bad actions. But then you have someone like Larys Strong who is actually pure evil
I feel bad for Otto here, personally. Like... he just lost his job that he loves. You could tell Otto was hurt. Not frustrated, or angry, but just... hurt.
You shouldn’t feel bad for him. He’s a lying schemer. All he cared about was weeding his family into the line of succession. Dude is the Littlefinger equivalent of the show.
@Kaldrean
No, Littlefinger has done far worse, and at least Otto was only doing what any Lord of the Realm would ideally do.
Corlys offered his, what, 12 year old daughter to the King, and that's fine, but Otto offers his own daughter (who, to be fair, is only slightly older) for a contender and suddenly he's evil for it?
What all did Otto lie about up to this point? He was fine as Hand and all, but once the King needed a new wife and an heir, he offered his daughter. So... why not, what makes Corlys' option any less ambitious?
And following the way of succession as it often goes, Aegon II is the true heir. The Great Council of 101 AC only made this more solidified for all to hear;
A male heir comes before a female one in the line of succession for the Iron Throne
Its the only reason Viserys is King, and not Rhaenys as Queen.
Just saying... up to this point in the story, Otto had been a capable Hand, and spoke the truth about Daemon and Rhaenyra
@@thalmoragent9344 he may not have been as bad as littlefinger but all he truly cared about was putting his own bloodline on the throne. Case and point how he planned to go against viserys wishes all along after he died. He literally told the commander of the king guards to go kill Rhaenyra and her children. He never cared about the kings wishes or desires. He is fully self serving and a schemer under a false guise of friendship.
@Kaldrean
He did care about the King's wishes and desires, but once Aegon was passed over for Rhaenyra, Otto was 100% correct in knowing that Alicent's kids with Viserys would be in danger.
Even centuries later, people like Daenerys, Sansa, etc all understand how Jon just saying "I don't want it" doesn't matter, cause he's the last male heir of House Targaryen. So, how is Otto saying the same so wrong?
If Aemma lived, gave Viserys a son who lived, and Viserys named the baby his Heir, Otto would've continued to serve well, regardless of Baelon being his blood or not.
Otto is the actual politician here. Murder of the Black's is undoubtedly a dick move, however. But once Aegon/Alicent send forth an idea of peace, Otto takes it. He's not hell bent on blood, such as Daemon often is
Viserys is a weak king and dominated by all those around him. Otto does care about his own interests, but also fills the empty throne and manages the realm well.
otto had to be taking off the board because he has his own plans and he doen't follow the king's plans
He's never done anything that harmed or undermined Viserys' reign. He's never done anything to advance himself that would've also harmed or hindered Viserys.
Otto was a good Hand.
He sold off his daughter to the King so he can marry her and always pushed for her children to claim the Iron Throne instead of the rightful heir.
@@garlantyrell6368
I mean, Corlys also wanted for his daughter (who was even younger than Alicent) to the King as well. So, why does Corlys get a free pass?
Also, keep in mind, if Alicent only gave Viserys daughters, of course Rhaenyra would still be Heir. BUT, she gave him a trueborn son. Not just one, but 3.
Rhaenyra was a temporary solution to a still existing problem in regards to the Iron Throne being passed down by the way it has been since its creation. Maegor usurped the Throne, but aside from him, it's the Eldest Male descendant of the King that has the rightful claim. So.... yeah, just saying, Rhaenyra wasn't the rightful Heir after Aegon, Aemond, and Daeron were born.
If Viserys REALLY wanted Rhaenyra as heir, he shouldn't have had more kids, KNOWING one of those kids would be a male. Princess Rhaenys literally explains this to Rhaenyra in the beginning of the season, how are you guys still missing this?
@@thalmoragent9344Because Corlys was direct and clear, making a proper proposition that while self-serving, and he dosnt exactly hide it, is long term better for the realm.
Otto on the other hand send his daughter to have the king seduced, taking advanta that he was grieving, then manipulated his judgement when he searched for his council.
Also, Rhaenyra is the heir just as Baelon was the heir, picked by the king. To say that the andals law takes prescedent from the king's will, is daying that Viserys is not the king
Please, no spoilers for season 2 in the comments ❤️
I hated people spoiling everything, I ended up reading the whole thing about TDOD.
After i rewatched i feel bad for team green
Was this a realted scene
Wait is he implying otto killed his dad? I was so confused why he started there
It is suspect how his father died all of the sudden. Hightower is definitely ambitious so I wouldn’t put it pass him
I think he was just recalling how otto became hand but it honestly is good speculation that he had something to do with the former hands sudden death I didn’t think that way
No, GRRM has confirmed his father died of a burst appendix. Viserys is just emphasizing how quickly Otto rose from just a courtier to the second most powerful man in the kingdom.
I think he’s just saying that he used Baelon’s death to advance in the court. Positioned himself as a viable replacement as Hand, and likely played Jaehaerys’ heart strings who was grieving his son in order to be selected. It’s not really sinister, but I could see how it could be viewed as slimy
I believe this is correct. Otto became Hand while the king was grieving his son, and his daughter became queen when Viserys was grieving his wife. Viserys is making the connection of Otto manipulating others' grief to put himself in a position of power.
This time, Otto was clearly in the right. Rhaenyra not only lied to Alicent(lying on her mother's grave, a sort spot for Alicent, hence why she "declares war"), but Otto, despite giving this news to Viserys, doesn't enjoy it at all. It's not to put Aegon first, it's because he legitimately wanted Viserys to know the truth.
It clearly hurts both of these men, as they are such close friends.
haha the treacherous Otto was revealed.
Lol, Otto served the realm for decades, always gave good counsel for two kings, he gave his friend his daughter's hand in marriage, who was a good wife to him and gave him three sons. All that and the king dismisses his father in law for telling him the truth. In Otto's place I would be fucking livid. He was as good a hand as you could hope for. "Calculated distraction"...cry me a river, as if Viserys is some 5 year old toddler with no accountability, the marriage was his choice, his responsiblity. Of course everyone has ulterior motives, everyone seeks to advance his own station on the side, of course they all wanted him to marry their daughters for the political benefit. It could have been a mutual benefit. Viserys's judgment is compromised, he put his emotions above the interests of the realm.
Otto Hightower was a social-climbing sneak who indulged in the corruption of King's Landing. He used his daughter like a pawn, first with comforting Jaehaerys in his old age (and there's some rumours in the book of what she did while looking after him) and then with Viserys. Otto never cared about the realm, he never cared about giving good counsel. The show made that quite clear by contrasting him with Lyonel Strong. If Viserys is guilty of putting his own blood above the realm, then Otto is certainly guilty of that too. The king named his heir, and Otto did everything in his power to undermine that decree. All because he hated Daemon and because he wanted his own blood on the Iron Throne.
@@JimmyStellerby law at the time. Aegon was the rightful heir. Sons come before daughter
@@mohammedismail147that wasn’t true tho, sons didn’t auto get the throne before daughters like the way the first horns is first in line. Viserys name his daughter his air. They usurped her
@@hopesweeney-qx3ur actually they did, but his daughter would've been the first ever Queen of the 7 Kingdoms. The council was scared that this decision would cause a civil war, and they were absolutely right. Literally more than half of the heads of houses were not in agreeance. Viserys was a kind king, but WEAK. Sons did get priority when it came to birthright.
Otto did what any other Lord would have done ,put his blood in throne. Its kinda insane how Viserys blames him but he was not force to marry Alicent, he choose her even when he was adviced to marry Laena, the dance was going to happen with or without Otto involving himself and his family.
cole and eagon is a combo of ecstasy, coke and jack while drive at high speed... both are so dumb and disgusting.
Have you actually watched the scene where aegon fires otto ? I would argue that's much more understanding than viserys firing otto. The complete lack of tact and respect that otto shows aegon compared to viserys and given what aegon has already went through in his first few months as king. All viserys was dealing with in this scenario was sex scandals and wedding off rhaenyra. While aegon has to deal with a civil was starting and his own son being murdered by the other side.
He discharged him because Rhaenyra asked him to. Because her and Daemon got caught in a brothel. Otto is a good person. Viserys was good too but he was hasty with his decision making.
It’ll be nice to see him lose his head.
Otto was a conniving snake in the grass that over reached
Viserys is a weak king and dominated by all those around him. Otto does care about his own interests, but also fills the empty throne and manages the realm well.
This is the real reason Otto didn't want Rhaenyra on the throne because she knew he wasn't trustworthy just like Daemon did and Otto knew it. He knew Rhaenyra becoming Queen would put him in a precarious position because unlike Viserys who he could easily manipulate Rhaenyra wouldn't swallow his bullshit so easily especially with Daemon by her side. Thats why Otto planted the seed of doubt in Alicent to get her to change Viserys' mind even when removed from office Otto was scheming and manipulating Rhaenyra's one mistake was leaving Otto alive she should have had Syrax roast him and that would have weakened Alicent and the others because Alicent isn't as smart as she thinks she is her and Otto caused the war with their meddling and scheming
Pretty unprofessional way to handle a conflict of interest.