Do INITIAL D Techniques DESTROY Cars?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- For years I've been covering sim racing techniques inspired by Initial D. Usually in Racing Games such as Assetto Corsa which have lacklustre damage models. But there's always been one question at the back of my mind; Whether I was jumping over hairpins, hanging a wheel over an open gutter, or even using engine compression to initiate drifts - "Do these techniques destroy cars? ". Today we're going to be finding the answer to this question in the most realistic vehicle damage simulation we can get our hands on, BeamNG.Drive.
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Jokes on you, I destroy my car with any technique...
Same, my techniques usually end up in ditches and guard rails
“Ultimate technique downshift into first”
Amateur, I can destroy my car driving on a straight line
😢@@logurtboi5702
You think you’re good? I can destroy my car before I even leave the starting line
"if the 86 can do then i can do it"
-16 year old miata driver
*GO BEAT CRAZY~*
Also a Yellow GR Supra driver from MF Ghost 😂
@@katagiriharuki
spoiler???
Lol the miata in the series tried and he crashed
@@bolson42 mf ghost is too much of a disappointment for anyone to remotely care about spoiling it
Nah, mate, the inner wheel lift works beautifully. You need to enter the corner at a higher speed and a lower angle and be very smooth, your steering inputs were very erratic. The weight must be off the front wheel before going over the gutter. If done correctly you can't break your suspension as the wheel doesn't fall down in the gutter. The manoeuvre was a bit exaggerated in Initial D as your wheel is in the air just for a split second - right on the tip of the apex. You aren't supposed to go over the gutter right on the entry - that would never work.
That's what I'm saying. 😌👍
Was gonna say, I play BeamNG ALOT, especially on this Map because it's best one imo... Getting close enough to the gutter is one problem, but when I do, I succeed the lift more than I fail it, it numerous different cars, again, favourites being the AE86, R31 & FB RX7
He probably plays on a keyboard, notice that the tires almost immediately lock when turning
he literally did that in the video 🤓
Please, don't try this IRL man....
For the gutter run technique, the gutters on Mount Akina are not that deep, which makes the gutter run more viable.
Takumi actually encountered some problems with the gutter run technique on two occasions:
- on the battle vs the Miata NA, the track they chose had the gutters that deep, and thus Ryosuke proposed him to NOT use the gutters, but instead shift all the weight on the back in order to pass the gutter and access the grass on the inside. The Miata tried to gutter run and.. well...
- on the battle vs the S2000, the gutters weren't as deep but were divided by some bricks (as a sort of sidewalk), and Takumi was encouraged not to use those gutters or else his suspension would fail. Unfortunately, he had to use the gutter run technique as a last resort, and lo and behold, the suspensions broke
EDIT: corrected some typos
Inner wheel lift depends on a LOT of factors, I feel like it wasn’t given enough chances.
^this lol I get the 200bx to do it just fine sometimes.
@@TyNicholsen right?? And I can do it in a Civic on Forza Motorsport 6 on the Nordschlief, but I guess we are limited to JUST touge now
@@lusciouslunk it's not even "JUST touge" it's "one corner on one touge" where it's not even the ideal line.
@@Ikaros--- for real, kinda lazy, I demand a new video!
Well, the fact that this was all done on a controller with someone not very good on controller at the wheel didnt make it better
Everybody knows that all of these techniques PALE in comparison to the mythical, majestic and legendary SLIPANGLE
You have to be a scientist to even know the definition of slip angle
@@roccofigueroa7839 tire says me no want drift while u want drift.
I have a PhD
A PRETTY HUGE D
@@roccofigueroa7839 What he said. ☝️😂
@@Tha-mountainYes exactly what you said😆
inner wheel lift can actually be a biproduct of slipangle depending on the car. shift lock can also be used to initiate slipangle.
Shift lock is a real thing used by real drivers outside of rally. I've used it at a few drift events when my hydraulic handbrake was like "nah, mate, your pads are too hot". It does make you super nervous the first time you do it, but you just "promise" yourself that you'll only use it in dire situations . . . which is a lie. You're gonna do it a bunch more.
It's usually fine until it isn't, my old boss has a group 4 Triumph Dolomite touring car, hes been racing it for 25 years, with several rebuilds but original block, on a race day last year he killed the engine by shift locking too aggressively, his telemetry registered 20k rpm (very briefly) but he's been doing that for 25+ years and it's the first time the motor has destroyed itself
And by killed the engine I mean a forged Mahle Conrod snapped, and then proceeded to shear the entire cast iron block in two, it was quite spectacular
@@haydenratcliffe1138 I love that phrase and use it all the time (well a turn of that phrase anyway) I typically say something along the lines of "It's fine all the way to the point where it isn't" HAHA!
How is it any different from the dreaded money-shift?
@@taqial-faris6421 you don't want to overrev your engine when shift locking. You slow down first and the shift down without revmatching so the low RPM(relative to tire speed) will cause the wheels to lock and cause a slide while additionally puting you into the correct gear to accelerate through/out of the corner.
I love how he never used any of the cars that were put in the anime with real damage on. Just sus.
my dude just decided to do everything possible for the inner wheel lift to fail and then blame it for not working smh oh and not knowing its purpose
It's weird too because he did an entire video on the inner wheel lift where he frequently executed it on multiple corners, but also showed that it's difficult and can fail if you don't transfer the weight at the right time and have enough speed going over the gutters
@@offbrandbiscuit yee i regularly do it myself too but tbh it isnt that hard but its a fun skill and looks good ill prob make a video when i can proving him wrong doing it in beamng
not to mention trying it in a tricky short series of esses
you don't do it in such a short corner with another left corner coming immediately
@@offbrandbiscuit he considers reality, in reality it's a stupid techinque all tho it's not a stupid technique in beamng if done properly on a proper place, it just has many conditions and factors, and it's not too bad in beamng, good for fun and style, but reality is a different story
I do blind attacks on touge with my friends. A bit dangerous but it works well.
Inner wheel lift is possible, I saw a pro driver doing it during a rally in France.
The Hirohazaka jump is just for the show in the cartoon.
It’s been done in rally but on that type of incline there’s definitely damage they even mention it in the show
You’re confusing inner wheel lift with a gutter run
@@XtrachunkyNo
@@XtrachunkyNo
1:16 “if an 86 can do it so can my car”
Lol
That’s what they all say
Ngl the blind attack works but only if you are EXTREMELY familiar with the track and you know exactly where you have a chance to overtake
skill issue
thats bold when you have videos of you driving worse than this on your channel
@@tacticalreload wait till I get my hands on a wheel, and stop stalking me lol
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Not going to lie, that was my first thought just reading the title. The point of the show was that the guy was pulling off some really difficult to pull off maneuvers with ease.
1:43 bro called initial d a cartoon 💀💀💀
it is
anime is a type of cartoon
sorry but it is, and that's not a bad thing
@@SergeantSniperI literally made a meme about that
It practically is
@@SergeantSniper They are similar but not the same.
The inner wheel lift technique is used because the AE86 can't take the turns as well because of the low grip. Not including the fact that you didn't use the correct gutter. The correct gutter allows you to "drive" while in it, allowing the AE86 to travel faster. On the wide turns with the gutters, he puts both tires into it to let him gain more speed while driving in the gutter. On the sharper turns, he only puts the one front tire into it to turn much faster.
Not only that, but the headlight technique is used on courses that Takumi knew.
He isnt talking about the putting the tires in the gutter but rather letting them "float", they arent touching the ground
I feel like the autor didnt pay attention on the gutter trick. You either lift the wheel and straighten the corner or you hang the wheel in and turn better
I feel like you didn't pay attention to my explanation of it at the start
I mean if the gutters were like the ones in akina hanging the wheel would actually work but on these gutters is just asking to toast the underbody
LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE.
I'v driven more than one Japanese mountain road with these fracking open gutters, they are often covered with vegetation and somewhat randomly shielded or not by a concrete tile.
Luckily I was driving slowly, both time but I got one 1 front wheel and once 2 right side wheel dropped into the gutter.
offroad 4wd van Mitsu Delia D:5. The traction control sh1t itself on the spot, even after deactivation no amount of throttle or rocking will get you out of these in one piece (open diff not helping).
Each time I had to bust out the farm jack, lift the wheel itself and squeeze my aluminum fording/loading ramp under the wheel to create a makeshift bridge and get out. in Japanese summer, it was not fun at all...
ok...FWD and RWD do not affect the weight distribution by much, that's the position of the engine who do... try a Porsche or an Alpine Renault A110
@@G_de_Colignyrad and fwd would change it cus as in the video he drifted the turns with is impossible to do and still have Wheels that power the car tuch the ground.
@@coconut_dr9194 yea but he was talking about weight distribution at that moment, not power delivery since the biggest issue was to keep the chassis 1 on piece at the time
Watching you "Drift" with that open diff made me wanna call my internet provider and ask him to disconnect my wifi
You used the wrong hairpin for the jump.
If I used the other one, people would say the same thing
Even in the right one, you will be slower and crash your car
you would need to DESIGN the haipin for it to be worth it
A few years ago you were a fan of the inner wheel lift.
what happened? you know it is effective!
In a racing simulator where your wheels can't fall off!
@@TSRB inner wheel lift works great if you've got a car you know and a map you've played a lot. I think the biggest problem you had was that you didn't put enough weight on the front which made it harder for you to actually get a nice entry
Please try this in real life. If you come back without a scratched up underbody from bottoming out i'll pay you $1000 (definitely not 😂minopoly money😂)@brokebackmountainlover
@@TSRB people do it somtimes in real life too but you shouldn't hook your tires in you should create a heavy weight transfer by putting your foot on the gas and you shouldn't do it on the entry thats not what takumi did just read @Yavore346 's comment
@@brokebackmountainlover i'd say the opposite, too much weight in the front; and too much angle.
The inner wheel lift has been done irl a few times... there's videos too
It's not a gutter. Initial D uses rain ditch around 10cm deep that is enough to sink your tyre but not hitting your swing arm or front body.
Your gutter is too deep you basically just skidding with your swing arm, which is wrong.
Pretty sure they said the inner wheel lift only works in very specific areas where the gutters are built to be shallower, enough so as to let the car not scrape the ground
The problem you are havi g with teh inner wheel lift is you are using it to turn thr corner like a gutter run, and theres a wall in your way, the inner wheel lift was used to take the inside of the turn past the boundaries of the road and go onto the grass on the other side of the open gutter giving him just enough room to pass the miata
I actually have successfully managed to perform the gutter run. I did run over my own fender lining in the process, but otherwise it did allow me to outcorner much more well engineered cars.
The gutter run is the complete opposite from inner wheel lift. The wheel lift requires you to take off weight from the front
@@Giuliana-w1f Also did manage a wheel lift to "jump" over an open mancover I failed to notice in time. Not perfectly, but the guy behind me hit it so hard his airbags deployed.
The important thing to note, is something Ryosuke says when Takumi uses the modified inner wheel lift, that you have to be on the power the entire time the wheel is in the gutter so all the weight remains on the rear axle, it’s also something Takumi has done many times
TLDR doable but hard
funnily enough most touge techs shown in initial D are situational...not nessesarily faster for each speedattack run but in 1vs1 race...for example gutter lift can easily give u little bit of extra depth when slow in fast out wont allowe passing in most corners...thats why its done in one corner in specified places ..especially when u race someone side by side with similiar power and handling vehicle... that corner jump is also doable but it also adds heavy load to suspension and tires so its pretty much only viable if u can surprise someone with it and someone breaks way too soon on that narrow road so u have time to get into position fast enough
Blind attack is doable you can drive without your headlights if the car in front of you has theirs on
Wheel lift has nothing to do with using the gutter to rotate the car more it’s just about getting a tighter line
You can see sports cars lift the inner front wheel with a stiff suspension
There’s even videos of a guy doing a three wheel drift because he looses a tire
2:50 he aint even drifting
Blind attack is a risk that may or may not work, since your opponent doesn’t know where you are, causing a potential accident.
Hey @ That Sim Racing Bloke,you had a valid point with the gutter drift but the one you were refering to was seen in initial D 4rh stage but takumi never gooked his wheel in the gutter.He had his wheel floating over it for the fastest line and he did this by having the weight of the car focus to the rear suspension to allow the front wheel to stay afloat over the deep gutter.
they explain in the show the way to inner wheel lift requires high rpm to keep the load at the rear and outside tire
You gonna say denied because you're using some 200HP car
The only one I've seen used IRL is gutter dropping - but in shallower gutters.
Even then its usually a bad idea since that's where rocks and branches like to gather and also coming out of the gutter can unbalance the car
Remember, it's not the car that is a monster but the driver.
So much more plays into the inner wheel lift technique than you'd imagine. The biggest contributing factors are center-of-mass height, wheel speed (relative to how fast the car is moving), tire grip & slip angle, mechanical grip of the chassis+suspension, and of course (a very big misconception in the car community), the angle of drift, and whether or not you're accelerating/neutral/decelerating.
Say you've already initiated a drift; you're on the gas, and to shed a bit of speed- you drop the RPMs. Two things will happen (excluding the suspension): 1). Wheel speed will start matching up with the speed of the vehicle; 2). Slip angle will begin take place. Thus, the grip being applied to the rear on deceleration makes the inner-most wheel lighter.
Let's add center-of-mass height to the equation. The higher the C.M.H., the lighter the inner-most wheel will get. Add a suspension setup that takes complete advantage of these qualities, and you've got a car that act as though the road below it isn't missing.
This a very simplified explanation because one that dives too deep into may lose the audience's interest.
the gutter was to deep lmfao
The drains are supposed to be covered to do the first technique xd, if you want to do it with the drain open you need to have space on the other side, like in the '86 battle with the MX5
I only want to say that the "hole" in the side of the road in intial D was smaller so it's can be done but in no every place (Srr for my english)
The thing is for the gutter trick tak uses his body weight to hold the car up and shift his weight away from the gutter while going over it
Front bumer doesn't matter, especially if you've already driven over it a few times and it somehow still survives and you keep putting it back on with selkf tappers
im pretty sure the other reason takumi does the blind attack is because he gets slight aerodynamic advantage
I've done inner wheel lift in beamng with a drift pretty consistanly but i don't think it is faster unless maybe you can cut the corner but not many corners like that
i agree on the bumper scraping on my audi. thats like a 2k USD bumper to replace, AND I DONT EVEN OWN AN S, I would not want to go down back roads doing shit like this
My three favorite things are in this video... Breakcore music, drifting and initial d
btw the song at in the background at the start is called "Windows breakcore" by proloxx
Gutter runs can work - they need low to moderate angle and the car has to ride it through by itself without too much steering input.
"do initial d techniques destroy your car" considering the fact that Takumi did that twice id assume so
My memory may be vague but, the gutter run was shallow and Takumi had to go over a deep gutter. With your test you have 2 inches past the gutter is a concrete wall. It would have open past the gutter.
The jump cut, what I am going to call it. It would a take a car with a higher power to weight ratio with high acceleration ability to accomplish that. Test would probably require a rally car and would need to be further back in the corner.
The blind attack. You can't be doing it going into a corner. It would only be used for a tow or beat someone in a heavy breaking zone.
Blind attacks can work if your hyper aware of your surroundings and know that the driver will be doing otherwise its a literal RNG match if you actually gonna make the pass or end up in the trees, rocks, down the mountain face
why not use the 86? it has a way higher clearance and weight balance?
Shift lock isn't the engine slowing the wheels down. It's the transmission flat out locking up because the synchronizers cannot spin the flywheel as fast as the transmission is trying to. This is a good thing because if it could force your engine past redline the engine would obviously be destroyed. Shift lock is not a technique for the asphalt. It'll destroy even the best racing transmissions pretty quickly. It is a technique only for loose traction surfaces such as gravel, mud, and snow. I wouldn't even be trying it a whole lot on dirt as dirt can have decent grip.
The gutter in the manga/anime was a small concrete slope at around 30 to 45 degrees not a straight hole to the ground.
honestly in initial D the gutter wasnt "deep" like in the game.
it was slightly very minimal difference in term of height. Thats why in Initial D they can do the gutter thing.
to be fair the no headlights trick has worked I've seen videos of it but you have to practice doing it takumi couldn't do it overnight he had trained while delivering tofu for his dad
the inner wheel lift is not a time-saving technique, it's an overtaking technique
Bruh said it's a 1:1 model, the s13 in initial D was modded with weight reduction and more power, ofc it's not gonna work with a BONE STOCK S13
skill issue, the "inner whell lift" do works irl and in game, i drive a brasilian chevette SL 1986 sedan RWD turbo with 140hp etanol powered, wich it does and i do touge with him, and that technique fully works, what you are missing is that the whell cant fall any inch into the water thing, in a drift the front inside wheel gets suspended in the air, so it dont needs any road below, and with that you can make a "straighter" turn in a faster speed
In my opinion it’s about how you drive the car; your knowledge; and the shape of your car
The blind attack kinda works, i used this on an illegal street race one time against an evo 9, not on this particular tyoe road though.
The gutter he was gripping to was a smaller one not deep the deep gutter he lifted his wheel over to have to room to pass and the suspensions was tuned
In beamNG on touge maps theres this problem with surfaces literally grabbing your cars and ripping them to bits
Well, in first one the gutter is too wide (in Initial D, in situation like this, Takumi get one wheel over the gutter so he would drive obove it)
i have that same mod and it makes an bling bling bling sound over and over again
first of all... "in the CARTOON series." How dare u? xD lol
>initial d techniques
>shift lock
nowhere in the show was shift lock ever mentioned or used lol
maybe do it with ur wheel next time
0:39 "if the 86 can do it then i can!"
For the record, the gutter in Initial D had a little ramp so that is viable but not for that gutter you are using.
My 1976 model Ascona B SR with 1,9L high compression engine would slide out the rear if you went down one or 2 gear and dumped the clutch in the winter...
4:00 bro.... Loozzk at 10 irohazaka jumps on beamng
@marjonmisalucha5939 that doesn't matter because on his first video on the jump he tries every corner somewhat
I just started to watch Initial D and it’s the best Anime I ever watched
Why didn't you try those techniques using the same cars that were used in the anime/manga? I believe it could give more reliability when denying their efficiency. It would also be very satisfying seeing that in your video
Using the inner wheel lift with slip angle probably is faster but waaaaay too hard for anyone who hasnt done it thousands of times
The shift lock probably is damaging to suspensions over repeated instances occurring over a long period of time. I would imagine the excess stress builds up and will eventually take its toll. It should however be noted that Keiichi Tsuchiya instructs the shift lock as one of the rudimentary means of initiating a drift on paved surfaces in his "Drift Bible," and recommends it as a technique that is more friendly to beginners (whom likely haven't modified their cars much more than the front suspension setup).
The irozaka jump is used in rallying to over take the slow-boys who won't concede the way.
2 vids in 2 weeks
insane concept 🤯
yes paulino, absolute miracle!!
The gutter in the show was slanted, try a slanted gutter
3:04 What is the song
Hear Me Tonight (feat. The Sidemen) by DJ JAY RICHMOND, sorry for late response
That was a nice breakcore track at the start
The gutter drop works irl very well😉
I think in the inner wheel lift, the car should be stable instead of drifting your way through. That’s why the 86 was fastest tbh ;)
About the 1st technique, you missed a big point about the gutter run. It's supposed to be a shortcut, because in the anime, you don't have an inclined wall behind the gutter.
Besides, it's a different technique, because you have to accelerate before taking the apex, in order to put more weight on the rear of the car.
shift lock works on motorcycle
didn't wanted to try it, it happened on hairpain entry
loved it
did it again
well not to much I didn't want to eat the ground but the rear wheel is sliding for sure so it probably works on a car as well
First technique is legit but you misunderstood some of it. It is either in a nice smooth dip, or like in later seasons (vs Miata) was what old 3.0 CSL batmobiles used to do. With that said its unlikely this technique will appear when drifting, but simply lifting front inside wheel is far from a foreign thing to see happen. Go look up any 3.0 CSL racing videos from back in the day they are doing it everywhere, and even if fictionalized, dramatized, the series did state the cars were tweaked to replicate it on that stage.
Wait attic is gone?😢
I do gutter turns all the time in commercial trucks IRL when running loads with a high center of gravity.
The inner wheel lift is is meant to help you get the inside corner to pass your opponent Its not for speed
Ill never shift lock with my MR-2 but ive done it a lot in the Inital d stage 3 arcade game
Such pureness of skill issue, The gutter run is possible, you need to inertia drift to make the car balance, making the turn shorter. Ontop the shift lock technique is never seen in initial D, instead they steer and brake, so the rear end loses grip, and starts drifting. Inertia drifting. That is why you can not perform these tricks. Though the jump is indeed nearly impossible
I just have something to say, the inner wheel does work and is used irl
It works if the drain is not deep.
I got sone notes
Like actual picks afther examining series
Jumping first...weight to power ratio and tweaked suspension mayby...just mayby could make it valuble technique
Gatters...in stage 4 you can actually see booth cars fitting perfecly to less deep gatters...drift one is basycly one they used for going over gatters
Unless i missed something initial d din't really lied...there is simply much more to make it work
You all have to remember. Only Takumi can do all of those things.
the gutter at the beginning isn't suppose to be that deep..of course your tyre will snapped 😂
Inner wheels do works but it usually happens without you knowing it.
You are now breathing manually
That gutter is bigger deeper than the one in the show
Dude, it sounds like you've just got a skill issue lmao
i raced tsrb he solos everyone in the comments
to be fair its probably driver diff XD. On the anime his been doing it since his childhood delivering tofu
We have some facts about the series you didn’t took as info… the car was finely tuned.. and quite lighter too
I would like to say that the headlight off technique does work… don’t ask me how I know. Just know it does