This is hands down the best comparison I’ve seen anywhere on these two beautiful weapons. Your delivery and tone is what every channel should try to emulate. I subbed, very well done.
Totally agree, buy both. This is just a case of two beautiful firearms made by an excellent manufacturer. You can’t lose by owning either. Buy both so you can guide your friends through all the fine features of owning either. Nice review.
For every day carry, I prefer the 66 with 38spc. +p. It rides better on my cross draw holster and is so much lighter than my 686+. My 66, is a 3 inch with secret service grips, so sweet and yet so much firepower.
Definitely. The 66 carries much belter the 686 does. An with .38 spl + ammo, you don't sacrifice to much firepower. It's more than sufficient for personal carry.
Sir, thanks for putting videos of your collection out for us to enjoy. I have caught my wife watching when your videos were playing. That says something. Please keep up the excellent presentations and practical opinions. Hope retirement is treating you well.
I have a 66 that is in great shape. I’ve been debating on polishing it like you have yours here. It looks great! I really want a 686, love the look of that full underlug.
I’ve been wondering what the difference is between these two models are. This was the perfect comparison. Concise, clear, and entertaining. It’s rare that I don’t skip ahead in a video, but this one kept my attention.
My first gun was a model 66-1 I bought for $200 in 1997. Still my favorite gun. This was a great review, your guns are beautiful and obviously well cared for.
@@mr2275cur my friend had another friend who was getting a divorce and needed the money. He was an ex-cop who ended up selling quite a few of his guns. Doesn't matter how much it's worth now because it isn't leaving the family! When I die my son will get that gun (since he is our only son he's getting the whole collection), with the understanding he doesn't sell it or my grandpa's Sako rifle or the Browning sweet 16 my dad left me. Those 3 he has to pass down.
Awesome video. Very informative! I’ve got 3 variants of the 66, and a 686+. The 686+ is actually my wife’s and is the gun that got her into shooting. I’ve been on the hunt for an older 686 and hope to add more of them to my collection! Thanks for the video!
I have been drooling over a Model 66 for some time and this was an incredibly useful video. I own Model 60s in both 3" and 5" and it is hard to justify a slightly larger revolver that does the same thing -- but that doesn't change the fact that I just WANT one. The L-frame is too large for my hands to shoot comfortably as I have to reposition my hand to an awkward position to shoot double action. This was my first video from Big Swoll58 and I really liked the comprehensive and lucid presentation. Have subscribed and am eager to see what other topics he has covered.
Smith and Wesson needs to come up with one just for you. You make them both look the same as it does when I hold a 637. They need a frame for ‘Big and Tall’. 😂 Awesome videos, sir!
I have a 66 and a 686. I personally think the 66 is sexier with the half under lug. I would love to find a model 65-5 or lower in a 3 inch barrel in good shape. The no under lug has grown on me. Great video as usual
Great video. Imho, the 686 with the full length underlug just looks more proportionally balanced. First time I saw one a few years ago I had to have it! Still very happy with it too. Some day one of my grandkids will inherit it.
I carried a 66 on patrol for a few years and liked it very much. When I transferred to a different agency they issued the 686. I liked the 686 too but had issues with them and I say them because I went through a few of them. All issues were QC problems unfortunately!
Great video, very accurate and concise info. I bought a 686 plus because I wasn’t looking for a carry gun just a safe queen to take out every now and again
Thank you. Good choice. I have two "plus" models. I like them, but I can't seem to get use to having that extra round, since all of my other revolvers ar 6-shot models.
Nicely done, thank you. I have one of each and your side by side comparison is a good reminder of the fundamental differences and similarities. I'll stick with .38s in my 66(!).
I had an early 90's model 65 that I put over 20,000 rounds through it... Yet it still looked new. I was a fool to sell it. I love your video's and wonderful words of wisdom. 😍 My best friend had an older model 66 with a target trigger, target hammer and it had recessed cylinder. I really like the recessed cylinder, I wish S&W still offered that on the main production line revolvers (non P.C.).
Thank you. That's a lot of rounds, reloads and trigger pulls through a 6-shot revolver. That had to be a lot of fun though. S&W still makes great guns. I'm not sure if I like ALL of their modern manufacturing practices though. The counterbored cylinders would be a nice throwback option.
@Big Swoll... I've appreciated all of the instructional and educational videos through the years. Thank you for your thorough explanations and analysis. As a matter of fact, your clip here actually convinced my wife to believe me and my reasoning behind building my own S&W Mountain Gun variant collection. Thanks for that assist my brother in arms! Be blessed and be well, and keep yer powder dry!
Thank you Mr. Wixom. Your wife sounds like an amazing woman. Those Mountain Guns are super nice. Good luck with collection, and I hope you show it to us. A word of advice too, buy your wife something nice before you buy your next Mountain Gun to show appreciation for her supporting you. I will go a long way. Trust me!!!
@@mr2275cur, most certainly I do. My bride and I married in October 2009 during what is the hunting season where I live (WA State). We did so that we could celebrate our anniversary together in the woods enjoying nature and our favorite sport. As fate would have it, my bride became acutely and chronically ill so we have not been able to hunt together for many years. However, she still shares my passion for the shooting sports and is (generally) agreeable to my acquisitions. I do periodically come across weapons I know she will enjoy shooting on our 100 yd range at our home property. Life is grand...and a happy wife does provide a happy life! Blessings to you and yours!
Dude, I am so sorry to hear that, but am glad that you both how found other things to share. She is Blessed to have a man as dedicated to her as you are; and you too are equally as Blessed to have her. Happy belated Anniversary to you both. I'll include you in my prayers this evening. Take care of each my friend.@@WixRanch
I have both newer models but one is a 686+. The wife likes the 66 and I prefer the 686+. Both great guns that are very similar yet just a little different feel. Perfect his and her handguns. Nice video!
What a great discussion of the Model 66 and 686! I continue to be amazed at how they continue to retain their popularity, let alone the dedication and talent it takes to make a series of good videos. A little additional background to the saga of the gas ring and the forcing cones: Smith & Wesson redesigned and moved the gas ring twice. First time around 1974~75, from the cylinder to the yoke to reduce chances of it coming loose. Slots to direct the gasses away from the arbor were added, and the flat spot on the forcing cone was enlarged at the same time. This was in the middle of the Model 66 no-dash, and the Model 19-3 run, and WITHOUT an official engineering change or a new dash number. As a result, there are Models 66 and 19-3 with both versions of the gas ring. The second time, in 1977, under the guidance of Dick Baker, S&W moved the gas ring back to the cylinder. The larger flat spot on the forcing cone was retained. This change became the 19-4, and 66-1. At the same time, during mid 1970's, lighter and higher pressure .357 ammunition became popular. This was what caused the forcing cone to crack at the enlarged weak spot. Dick Baker went on to design the L-frame which was slightly larger, and eliminated the need for the flat spot on the forcing cone. This became the Models 586 and 686 in 1980. There is an excellent article about the changes in the gas ring and other issues which led to the development of the L-frame and the 586/686 in more detail, including pictures of the two versions of the gas ring, the cracks, and what to look for: revolverguy.com/the-smith-wesson-l-frame-story/
I came across another video that cross-referenced another article regarding the forcing cone failures. According to that article and reputable input from engineers at S&W, the cracked forcing cones occurred on S&W Model 19's. The 66 (no dash) was made from metal composition so strong that during the machining process, drill bits were being broken at a high rate. The metal composition was slightly brought down with the 66-1 and 66-2. Many owners have stated that their 66, 66-1 & 66-2's had seen their revolvers digest well over 10,000 rounds without forcing cone failure, and a high percentage of those rounds being the light and "hot" rounds that were allegedly attributed to those failures. To date, the only model that has sustained these fractures or cracks, have been the Model 19's and if there are any instances of Model 66's having this issue, I would be inclined to attribute it to very poor maintenance and upkeep. The comment section in that other video stated that neither the content creators, bloggers or engineers at S&W had never seen a fracture or crack on any Model 66's, but that they were more prevalent on Model 19's with a slightly weaker metallurgical composition. This is second hand information, but I am compelled to believe their accounts of the 66's durability and very HIGH round count of full power 357 magnum loads. The 66 is one tough revolver.
I'm glad someone else finally mentioned the semi target hammer. I've never heard anyone else say that but me until now! I don't think I even saw anything in the SCSW either. Never heard it called a combat hammer either! Nice, I learned somethin new too. I'm gonna use that. Haha, buy one of each, that's been my philosophy with these old guns. I also want blued and nickel versions of both as well lol!
@@mr2275cur lol so did I and then watching, at least, the videos I've seen and anything I've happened to read on forum pages, no one has called it anything in particular. I'm sure some people do, but I've just never heard it referred to at all. I'm gonna have to check the SCSW again because I don't think I saw anything, but I could be wrong. I'm gonna look into it again.
Thank you. It sounds a little confusing, but it's really not. I tried to be brief to keep video short. The 66 had 3 trigger ( semi-target serrated, target serrated and smooth combat) and 2 hammer ( target and semi-combat) options. The 686 only had 2 trigger (semi-target and combat) and 1 hammer (combat) option.
Nice review and comparison. Very well done. l learned something. I only have a model 10, a model 29, and a 629. Would like in the future to pick up a 686. Thanks!
Excellent video! Very well done. In my opinion, a Model 66 (or 19), and 686 (or 586) are just magnificent. They are wonderful tools. Thanks for showcasing them. (PS That’s some good advice to buy one of each.)
Honestly, I can listen to your voice over videos all day…. Just might be the Morgan Freeman of the gun world. Sum times I just listen to them when I’m drive 😂😂
Thank you - a lot. I've been told I sound like Morgan Freeman a few times. That's funny. But you have a lot of energy to listen to me talk while driving. I put myself to sleep watching them. LOL... Thanks again for the compliments.
I have a 66-1 six inch, and a 586 no dash four inch. I want to add a 686, but the several I've seen at the LGS, are about three to four hundred dollars overpriced. Maybe I'll find one at the next show for a fair price. Your two guns look awesome!
Based on the care i see you give to your revolvers, the question i have for you is, does one need to lube the metal on metal contact internal points, new revolver owner here
Yes, but not as much or as often as you may think. A drop or two of high quality oil in key places in all you once or twice a year for a properly handled, cleaned and stored resolver. Too much lubrication leads to unusual fouling and could cause problems.
Would you possibly like to adopt an extremely old "child" with a passion for S&W revolvers? I figured it was at least worth a shot asking. 🙂 You have the coolest collection old school Smiths that I have seen on RUclips.
I’m going to be one of those guys who says he already owns both. I bought my first gun about five years ago-a Model 10. Once I caught the fever, I had to buy a 686. I didn’t think I needed another revolver until I went to a gun shop and asked if I could hold a Model 19 (the blued version of the Model 66). Now I like to think I have three of the best revolvers ever. 🏆🎸⭐️
I have the target stocks on an N frame 45 lc , like the K frame , they don't leave much room for a speed loader , and or loading , unloading . I really like it & put some Gripper rubber grips on it to keep my skin off the blue frame . I put the target stocks on my SS 44 sp , where I got the rubber grips .
@@danoneill2846 I typically mount my Pachmayr Grippers on my revolvers too when I shoot to. I spent a lot of time refinishing my stocks, and I try not to ruin then loading and unloading shell casings.
THANK YOU!!! I have been trying to figure out the difference between my 66 K Frame and everyone else's 686. This is an amazing firearm & I use a GunfightersInc Kenai under my shirt. Subscribed and liked!
Another outstanding video sir! I have both models, 2 1/2 barrels & pre-lock. I could not choose between the two, just like my daughters they are both gorgeous and yet different in their own way. Oh how I do wish you were a Python guy, I could watch those video over & over
Thank you Sir. And congratulations on having two gorgeous daughters and guns. I wish I was a Python guy as well, but those are not very budget-friendly anymore. My goal is to buy me ONE soon.
Your videos are always enjoyable. Your collection is tops. Really enjoy the model 66 with 2 1/2” barrel for carry with 38 special and 357 rounds for extra reload Carry the 686+ for capacity in 3 1/2” barrel length with 357 up front load out 686 is much stronger firearm
I'm with you Big i like them both maybe in a snubnose but they are both fine machines and I have a daughter who is going to college so no big 6 play toys for me but I hope someone will enjoy your advice
Well, I took your advice. I had the 66 model for over a year now. So, for the past couple of months. I have been looking for the 686. Well, I found one today. Drove to the store and picked it up. But it is the 686 plus p. Now I have to wait to take it to the range and shoot it.
Congratulations Sir. You will not be disappointed with it. And you'll get to see for yourself why having both is a good thing. They offer two different shooting experiences.
Hello again big bro!!!! If you remember,i’m still looking for the 686-4 plus model. I came across a 686-4 CS-1…never heard of it and did some research. I’m sure you have knowledge of this model. Interested in your impression of the CS-1. I appreciate you as always. Ron
The CS-1 models were made to US Customs Service specifications that were mostly cosmetic differences from a standard 686. They have bead blasted finishes and a narrower than standard front sight and black rear sight, and all came with factory black rubber or polymer stocks (to my knowledge). Accuracy and durability is claimed to be better than a standard 686 too. It may be all of the above, but it's still a 686; so how much better can it be. Not enough to warrant the price difference IMHO.
Ok i got you. As always…you give solid advice. I will wait on the standard dash 4 and or the plus model dash 4. Question: if i get a standard dash 4….could S&W convert it to a plus?
@@micp2387 That's a good question. So let me say this before anything else: I am not sure about that, but I imagine it's possible. You'd probably have to get a different hand along with the 7-shot cylinder, and possibly have the timing worked out. But why would you even consider doing that. I'd just wait patiently for the "dash 4" and pay the high price if I really wanted one that much. Conversions can sometimes be tricky, and may ultimately cost you more than buying the gun you really want. Proceed With Caution!!!
Thank you for the review! My grandfather handed me down his Mod 66 and I heard about the cracking in the barrel, unfortunately right after i bought 50 rounds of .357. I don’t wanna put the high velocity rounds in the gun if it will cause it to damage.
Thank you Mr. Harrell. The 66 is an awesome revolver and is fully capable of shooting full powered .357 rounds. It's the lighter grain magnums t hat were credited with causing the issues. I've shot hundreds of .357 rounds through my guns and haven't had an issue; and so has countless others. I just shy away from shooting a lot of the 125-130 gr rounds. No one knows if or when the forcing cone will crack. Al you can do is understand what increasing the likelihood of it, and avoid or minimize doing those things. Enjoy your gun man...
@@ga-gz1bo Colts are beautiful. I wish I had an original blue Python or Anaconda. I’m probably going to buy one once I sell of some of my collection to enjoy for a while. I love the triggers and action on the new ones more that the old ones. Plus I can easily afford a new modern one. I actually owned two Ruger GP-100’s a long time ago. My Blue 4” was my shooter. But the 6”” SS one was the beauty of the two. It had Ruger original grips with the medium brown Goncalo Alves wooden panels. I slicked up the trigger group which is very easy to do. Then polished it up to a very bright finish. Awesome revolver, but bulky and un-refined. Sold both and bought S&W’s. Wish I’d kept the SS gun though. I’ll probably buy another one to enjoy again about the same time I buy the Python.
I carried a 681 4" as a duty weapon in late 80's. Most officers carried 686 or 66's until the switch to 9mm. Since we used 38+P special ammo most carried the 66 as it was lighter. A very few carried N frame 28's or Rugers
The k frame was designed to practice with 38 spl. And carried with 357 mag. So in the early 80”s police departments changed their training to you practiced with what you carried, so now these k frame’s were being fed a constant diet of 357 mag. Ammo and after 100’s of rounds some k frames were showing cracks in the forcing cone, I carried a k frame model 65 as a duty gun, still have it, never experienced a forcing cone issue, by the time the L frame came out the “wonder 9” was sweeping the law enforcement market
I think the lighter and more powerful 125-138 gr defense rounds were the culprit. I'd stick with the 158 gr rounds in .357 magnum, or just drop down to .38 specials if I was gonna shoot a lot of rounds. Full power magnums loads may not be an issue, but why risk wrecking these awesome revolvers just for fun sake.
Great video indepth and I learned a lot about the Smith and Wesson model 66 and 686. I have several Smith and Wesson revolvers older and newer I love wheel guns nothing else like them.
I'm sorry if you're having difficulty hearing it, but I'm not experiencing that on my computer. I'll make sure to pay attention to that in future videos. Thanks for bring that to my attention.
Which one is best?
"Buy one of each."
That put a smile on my face. Good answer.
Why not get a pair and a spare? It won't be money wasted.
Ah yes morgan freeman explaining two beautiful revolvers. So soothing 😌
Thank you Sir. LOL. Y'all got jokes this morning.
That voice kept my attention the whole video. No annoying background music either. Well done
Thank you.
Me too...this guy has a buttery smooth velvety baritone...lol
I was lucky enough to inherit my dads 1972 model 66 , it was his bedside revolver since I was born . Incredible workmanship
Lucky you. I didn't inherit any of my firearms. I bought all mine.
"Buy one of each."
Sir.... that is fantastic advice.
Thank you. LOL.
This is hands down the best comparison I’ve seen anywhere on these two beautiful weapons. Your delivery and tone is what every channel should try to emulate. I subbed, very well done.
Thank you Mr. Wagner for the kind words; and double for the sub.
You said it before I could.
@@MyName-gb5ip Truth should always be told...
An excellent, no nonsense review. I truly appreciate the closeups, your tone of voice, and the discussion. Thank you!
Totally agree, buy both. This is just a case of two beautiful firearms made by an excellent manufacturer. You can’t lose by owning either. Buy both so you can guide your friends through all the fine features of owning either. Nice review.
Thank you Mr. Silliker.
Totally agree buy both. Both are gorgeous
Thank you, great answer. I'm glad I got the 66; I never put 357s through it, but someday hope to!
Is the 686 a lot heavier? Also is the length to the trigger from the grip longer?
Your videos are hands down the best online with Smith and Wesson revolvers. Truly knowledgeable. Thank you.
Thank you Sir.
“…buy one of each”. I like it. Thanks for the well done video. I wasn’t as familiar with the 686 so this answered my questions.
Thank you...
I carried the 66 on duty as an LEO until we transitioned to semi-auto’s back in the 90’s. The 66 was the most accurate handgun I ever shot.
Wow. That's high praise.
As I get older the half underlug 66 becomes more attractive, not sure why. But ill own both eventually.
For every day carry, I prefer the 66 with 38spc. +p. It rides better on my cross draw holster and is so much lighter than my 686+. My 66, is a 3 inch with secret service grips, so sweet and yet so much firepower.
Definitely. The 66 carries much belter the 686 does. An with .38 spl + ammo, you don't sacrifice to much firepower. It's more than sufficient for personal carry.
Sir, thanks for putting videos of your collection out for us to enjoy. I have caught my wife watching when your videos were playing. That says something. Please keep up the excellent presentations and practical opinions. Hope retirement is treating you well.
You're the goat of gun reviews bro
Thank you Chief X.
I’m buying 1 of them. Can’t afford 2. Looking at 1 used, watched your video on buying used. Excellent vid. Very helpful
Thank you Mr. Blacksher. Buy one now; and the other at a later date.
Only one? I recommend the 686.
Great video!!! I have a 66-2 4” . I bought it back in 1989 for $250.
I was trying to find out the year it was mfg.
That's not easy to do, but give the letters of the SN and I can help you out.
I have a 66 that is in great shape. I’ve been debating on polishing it like you have yours here. It looks great! I really want a 686, love the look of that full underlug.
Clear, concise content, and your collection is all class. Buy any and all pre-lock Smiths, when E.F. Hutton speaks, you better listen!
Buy one of each!! I love your way of thinking 👍. Will do partner!!
Heck yeah. Don't we already have enough tough decisions to make.
Liking the "Buy one of each" philosophy! Great review. Thank you
Thank you Sir. One of life's less challenging dilemmas.
Buy one of each amen. And while you're at it get a 686 Plus. You can't go wrong with whatever you pick. Thanks for the video awesome as always.
Oh yeah. i should have mentioned that in the vid. Thanks Mr. Waddles...
I’ve been wondering what the difference is between these two models are. This was the perfect comparison. Concise, clear, and entertaining. It’s rare that I don’t skip ahead in a video, but this one kept my attention.
Thank you Dr. Tuckles.
Beautiful firearms. I just found your channel and its awesome. Great videos
My first gun was a model 66-1 I bought for $200 in 1997. Still my favorite gun. This was a great review, your guns are beautiful and obviously well cared for.
Thank you Sir. They definitely don't cost $200 now.
@@mr2275cur my friend had another friend who was getting a divorce and needed the money. He was an ex-cop who ended up selling quite a few of his guns. Doesn't matter how much it's worth now because it isn't leaving the family! When I die my son will get that gun (since he is our only son he's getting the whole collection), with the understanding he doesn't sell it or my grandpa's Sako rifle or the Browning sweet 16 my dad left me. Those 3 he has to pass down.
@@brentbeardsley655 You're correct. I hope your son keeps your wishes after he inherits them.
Your videos are so "right". I'm a fellow Smith fan and love watching you videos.
Thank you Sir.
Awesome video. Very informative! I’ve got 3 variants of the 66, and a 686+. The 686+ is actually my wife’s and is the gun that got her into shooting. I’ve been on the hunt for an older 686 and hope to add more of them to my collection! Thanks for the video!
Good luck. There are plenty of them available.
I have been drooling over a Model 66 for some time and this was an incredibly useful video. I own Model 60s in both 3" and 5" and it is hard to justify a slightly larger revolver that does the same thing -- but that doesn't change the fact that I just WANT one. The L-frame is too large for my hands to shoot comfortably as I have to reposition my hand to an awkward position to shoot double action.
This was my first video from Big Swoll58 and I really liked the comprehensive and lucid presentation. Have subscribed and am eager to see what other topics he has covered.
Am I the only one that almost drools uncontrollably seeing anything out of this man's collection?
Not Uncontrollably...!! Thank you You Teo.
Smith and Wesson needs to come up with one just for you. You make them both look the same as it does when I hold a 637. They need a frame for ‘Big and Tall’. 😂 Awesome videos, sir!
A Big and Tall Frame. That's funny Sir. I thank they make one already; the "Z" frame 460 and 500 Magnums. Thank you.
I have a 66 and a 686. I personally think the 66 is sexier with the half under lug. I would love to find a model 65-5 or lower in a 3 inch barrel in good shape. The no under lug has grown on me. Great video as usual
Thank you Sir. It is sexy. I think the 66 and 629 are S&W most beautiful revolvers; and mostly because of the look the tapered underlug gives them.
You have the best answer to the question. Not which 1 to have but rather to acquire both.
I really like my 620, which is a partial underlug, 2 piece barrel, 7 shot L frame. Like, it's amazing.
Great video. Imho, the 686 with the full length underlug just looks more proportionally balanced. First time I saw one a few years ago I had to have it! Still very happy with it too. Some day one of my grandkids will inherit it.
Thank you Sir. I love all of mine too as you can see.
I carried a 66 on patrol for a few years and liked it very much. When I transferred to a different agency they issued the 686. I liked the 686 too but had issues with them and I say them because I went through a few of them. All issues were QC problems unfortunately!
That's interesting. I've never had an issue with any of my 686's.
You sound very much like Morgan Freeman. Very soothing and smooth voice. Two thumbs up!
@@Melmac1975 LOL…. Thank you Mrs Reges. I’ve been told that many times.
This channel is turning me into a revolver guy, I want one of these.
Glad to here that. We need more revolver guys. But don't get one, get both. Get several of both...
Great video, very accurate and concise info. I bought a 686 plus because I wasn’t looking for a carry gun just a safe queen to take out every now and again
Thank you. Good choice. I have two "plus" models. I like them, but I can't seem to get use to having that extra round, since all of my other revolvers ar 6-shot models.
Nicely done, thank you. I have one of each and your side by side comparison is a good reminder of the fundamental differences and similarities. I'll stick with .38s in my 66(!).
Thank you, and so do I...
Great video! Answered my questions on the 66 vs 686 comparison perfectly. Thank you.
Per usual, excellent video.
I picked up a 686-3 very similar to the one in this video because of your videos and guidance.
Thanks again!
That's great Mr. Gresham. I hope you're happy with it.
Thank you. I’ll give you three guesses on how much I like the wheel gun, and two don’t count!
I had an early 90's model 65 that I put over 20,000 rounds through it... Yet it still looked new. I was a fool to sell it. I love your video's and wonderful words of wisdom. 😍 My best friend had an older model 66 with a target trigger, target hammer and it had recessed cylinder. I really like the recessed cylinder, I wish S&W still offered that on the main production line revolvers (non P.C.).
Thank you. That's a lot of rounds, reloads and trigger pulls through a 6-shot revolver. That had to be a lot of fun though. S&W still makes great guns. I'm not sure if I like ALL of their modern manufacturing practices though. The counterbored cylinders would be a nice throwback option.
Excellent review. Thanks.
Thank you Sir.
I like your thinking Big Swoll! "Buy one of each." Great video as usual.
@Big Swoll... I've appreciated all of the instructional and educational videos through the years. Thank you for your thorough explanations and analysis. As a matter of fact, your clip here actually convinced my wife to believe me and my reasoning behind building my own S&W Mountain Gun variant collection. Thanks for that assist my brother in arms! Be blessed and be well, and keep yer powder dry!
Thank you Mr. Wixom. Your wife sounds like an amazing woman. Those Mountain Guns are super nice. Good luck with collection, and I hope you show it to us. A word of advice too, buy your wife something nice before you buy your next Mountain Gun to show appreciation for her supporting you. I will go a long way. Trust me!!!
@@mr2275cur, most certainly I do. My bride and I married in October 2009 during what is the hunting season where I live (WA State). We did so that we could celebrate our anniversary together in the woods enjoying nature and our favorite sport. As fate would have it, my bride became acutely and chronically ill so we have not been able to hunt together for many years. However, she still shares my passion for the shooting sports and is (generally) agreeable to my acquisitions. I do periodically come across weapons I know she will enjoy shooting on our 100 yd range at our home property. Life is grand...and a happy wife does provide a happy life! Blessings to you and yours!
Dude, I am so sorry to hear that, but am glad that you both how found other things to share. She is Blessed to have a man as dedicated to her as you are; and you too are equally as Blessed to have her. Happy belated Anniversary to you both. I'll include you in my prayers this evening. Take care of each my friend.@@WixRanch
Very good video, I think its the 66 for me
Thank you. The 66 is a great gun and choice.
Liked and subbed! I am in the market for one of the two, can't decide! 👊
Thank you Mr. George. You don't have to decide. Just Get both...! LOL.
The thought crossed my mind 😂
Glad to see you back with a new video!!!!
Glad to be back Mr. Neff. Not sure how many more I'll be doing though.
I have both newer models but one is a 686+. The wife likes the 66 and I prefer the 686+. Both great guns that are very similar yet just a little different feel. Perfect his and her handguns. Nice video!
Thank you. His and Hers is a really good description.
What a great discussion of the Model 66 and 686! I continue to be amazed at how they continue to retain their popularity, let alone the dedication and talent it takes to make a series of good videos.
A little additional background to the saga of the gas ring and the forcing cones:
Smith & Wesson redesigned and moved the gas ring twice. First time around 1974~75, from the cylinder to the yoke to reduce chances of it coming loose. Slots to direct the gasses away from the arbor were added, and the flat spot on the forcing cone was enlarged at the same time. This was in the middle of the Model 66 no-dash, and the Model 19-3 run, and WITHOUT an official engineering change or a new dash number. As a result, there are Models 66 and 19-3 with both versions of the gas ring.
The second time, in 1977, under the guidance of Dick Baker, S&W moved the gas ring back to the cylinder. The larger flat spot on the forcing cone was retained. This change became the 19-4, and 66-1.
At the same time, during mid 1970's, lighter and higher pressure .357 ammunition became popular. This was what caused the forcing cone to crack at the enlarged weak spot. Dick Baker went on to design the L-frame which was slightly larger, and eliminated the need for the flat spot on the forcing cone. This became the Models 586 and 686 in 1980.
There is an excellent article about the changes in the gas ring and other issues which led to the development of the L-frame and the 586/686 in more detail, including pictures of the two versions of the gas ring, the cracks, and what to look for:
revolverguy.com/the-smith-wesson-l-frame-story/
Got it...
I came across another video that cross-referenced another article regarding the forcing cone failures. According to that article and reputable input from engineers at S&W, the cracked forcing cones occurred on S&W Model 19's. The 66 (no dash) was made from metal composition so strong that during the machining process, drill bits were being broken at a high rate. The metal composition was slightly brought down with the 66-1 and 66-2. Many owners have stated that their 66, 66-1 & 66-2's had seen their revolvers digest well over 10,000 rounds without forcing cone failure, and a high percentage of those rounds being the light and "hot" rounds that were allegedly attributed to those failures. To date, the only model that has sustained these fractures or cracks, have been the Model 19's and if there are any instances of Model 66's having this issue, I would be inclined to attribute it to very poor maintenance and upkeep. The comment section in that other video stated that neither the content creators, bloggers or engineers at S&W had never seen a fracture or crack on any Model 66's, but that they were more prevalent on Model 19's with a slightly weaker metallurgical composition. This is second hand information, but I am compelled to believe their accounts of the 66's durability and very HIGH round count of full power 357 magnum loads. The 66 is one tough revolver.
I'm glad someone else finally mentioned the semi target hammer. I've never heard anyone else say that but me until now! I don't think I even saw anything in the SCSW either. Never heard it called a combat hammer either! Nice, I learned somethin new too. I'm gonna use that. Haha, buy one of each, that's been my philosophy with these old guns. I also want blued and nickel versions of both as well lol!
Thank you Sir. I'm really surprised about that. I took for granted that most people knew and referred to them as semi-target or service hammers.
@@mr2275cur lol so did I and then watching, at least, the videos I've seen and anything I've happened to read on forum pages, no one has called it anything in particular. I'm sure some people do, but I've just never heard it referred to at all. I'm gonna have to check the SCSW again because I don't think I saw anything, but I could be wrong. I'm gonna look into it again.
Thank you Big Swoll! I didn't know what you said about triggers and hammers.
Thank you. It sounds a little confusing, but it's really not. I tried to be brief to keep video short. The 66 had 3 trigger ( semi-target serrated, target serrated and smooth combat) and 2 hammer ( target and semi-combat) options. The 686 only had 2 trigger (semi-target and combat) and 1 hammer (combat) option.
Excellent video thank you for the comparison between the model 686 and 66.
Thank you for watching...
Really enjoyed your video. No ego or attitude.Looking forward to watching more from you.
Thank yo u Bourbon 308. That's very complimentary . Thank you for watching.
I have both and love both. The 686 is a little better.
I personally thing so to.
This is my favorite gun channel, I like These old s&w revolvers and you have a lot of useful information
Thank you Sir for the kind words.
Nice review and comparison. Very well done. l learned something. I only have a model 10, a model 29, and a 629. Would like in the future to pick up a 686. Thanks!
@@Wes-tg5xw Thank you. You’re off to a great start with those three.
They are both awesome. I have both just like you. Nice job and beautiful guns.
@@kyfirearms Thank you.
Great comparison - thanks for this. Never handled a 686 but I love my 66 with the 4” barrel.
Thank you. They feel the same in hand, but the 686 is a little bit bigger and heavier. I think the 66's triggers are little bit lighter too.
Excellent video! Very well done. In my opinion, a Model 66 (or 19), and 686 (or 586) are just magnificent. They are wonderful tools. Thanks for showcasing them. (PS That’s some good advice to buy one of each.)
Thank you Mr. Southerland. they are awesome tools. And having both is the way to go.
You have some awesome revolvers! Like you, I am a big fan of older Smith & Wesson revolvers! The P & R's are some of my favorites!
Thank you. I like the P&R's ones too. I.ve been fortunate enough to have about 4 or 5 of them.
EXCELLENT presentation!
Thank you Sir.
Honestly, I can listen to your voice over videos all day…. Just might be the Morgan Freeman of the gun world. Sum times I just listen to them when I’m drive 😂😂
Thank you - a lot. I've been told I sound like Morgan Freeman a few times. That's funny. But you have a lot of energy to listen to me talk while driving. I put myself to sleep watching them. LOL... Thanks again for the compliments.
Thanks for the video. Very instructive. I really like the classic look of the 66, the 19’s and the N frame 27’s as well.
Thank you Sir. I like them as well. The tapered underlug is classic and beautiful
I do agree absolutely, I own a mod. 19/2,5": smoothest D.A.
and a mod.66/4": is a splendid gun, but the D.A. is not so smooth as the 66 one
The 686 reminds me of the Colt Python.
The new Model 66 has had a small redesign with the forcing cone not an issue in the latest model.
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Agreed.
I have a 66-1 six inch, and a 586 no dash four inch. I want to add a 686, but the several I've seen at the LGS, are about three to four hundred dollars overpriced. Maybe I'll find one at the next show for a fair price. Your two guns look awesome!
Thank you Mr. Williams. Just be patient and look often. You'll find one at a more attractive price soon enough.
Based on the care i see you give to your revolvers, the question i have for you is, does one need to lube the metal on metal contact internal points, new revolver owner here
Yes, but not as much or as often as you may think. A drop or two of high quality oil in key places in all you once or twice a year for a properly handled, cleaned and stored resolver. Too much lubrication leads to unusual fouling and could cause problems.
Best comment of the vid at the end Which one to buy? Love the answer. Very nice video
Thank you Sir...
Thank you
Thank you for watching.
I hope you will put out some more videos. I'm a big fan of wheelguns and always enjoy seeing them. Take care.
Thank you Sir. It's been my plan to do a few more, but something else always seems to get in the way.
Well done sir
Thank you...
I love that one of each idea! I use a model 15 for shooting .38s. 686 for shooting .357s. And 66 for hunting and shooting .357 just a little bit.
Thank you. That sounds like exactly what I would do too.
Thanks for the explanation! 👍
Awesome comparison! Thanks
Would you possibly like to adopt an extremely old "child" with a passion for S&W revolvers? I figured it was at least worth a shot asking. 🙂 You have the coolest collection old school Smiths that I have seen on RUclips.
LOL... Thanks, but no thanks. I already have several adult children of my own.
I’m going to be one of those guys who says he already owns both. I bought my first gun about five years ago-a Model 10. Once I caught the fever, I had to buy a 686. I didn’t think I needed another revolver until I went to a gun shop and asked if I could hold a Model 19 (the blued version of the Model 66). Now I like to think I have three of the best revolvers ever. 🏆🎸⭐️
You definitely do. Good start to the collection I'm sure you'll be adding to.
Fine vid. Very informative. Thanks
Thank you.
I have both of these revolvers and I love them. Nice review.
Thank you...
Brother you don't have to respond I'm letting you know the grips company you use is RIGHT ON!!
Absolutely!! I gave the 686 and I need a Model 66 just in case!!
I agree Mr. White. Get one.
I have the target stocks on an N frame 45 lc , like the K frame , they don't leave much room for a speed loader , and or loading , unloading . I really like it & put some Gripper rubber grips on it to keep my skin off the blue frame . I put the target stocks on my SS 44 sp , where I got the rubber grips .
The rubber Gripper grips have more room for loading .
@@danoneill2846 I typically mount my Pachmayr Grippers on my revolvers too when I shoot to. I spent a lot of time refinishing my stocks, and I try not to ruin then loading and unloading shell casings.
@@mr2275cur They do look GREAT !!!
THANK YOU!!! I have been trying to figure out the difference between my 66 K Frame and everyone else's 686. This is an amazing firearm & I use a GunfightersInc Kenai under my shirt. Subscribed and liked!
Thank you Mr. Surfano. For the viewing, comments and the sub.
I really enjoy your videos. I have alot of smith and wesson revolvers. I've learned alot from your videos. Thanks
Another outstanding video sir! I have both models, 2 1/2 barrels & pre-lock. I could not choose between the two, just like my daughters they are both gorgeous and yet different in their own way. Oh how I do wish you were a Python guy, I could watch those video over & over
Thank you Sir. And congratulations on having two gorgeous daughters and guns. I wish I was a Python guy as well, but those are not very budget-friendly anymore. My goal is to buy me ONE soon.
Another good video! I have several and they are my favorite revolvers. First time you have not worn gloves !!
Thank you Mike K. You picked up on that...! I ripped one and just didn't go get another one. LOL...!
Your videos are always enjoyable. Your collection is tops.
Really enjoy the model 66 with 2 1/2” barrel for carry with 38 special and 357 rounds for extra reload
Carry the 686+ for capacity in 3 1/2” barrel length with 357 up front load out
686 is much stronger firearm
Thank you Mrj.
Couple of beautiful guns there. I have a 686 no dash 6” .wife has a very nice model 67.
Thank you. You all a couple of beauties too.
I'm with you Big i like them both maybe in a snubnose but they are both fine machines and I have a daughter who is going to college so no big 6 play toys for me but I hope someone will enjoy your advice
Yes sir, I hope so too. The sacrifices you're making for your daughter will be paid back to you.
Well, I took your advice. I had the 66 model for over a year now. So, for the past couple of months. I have been looking for the 686. Well, I found one today. Drove to the store and picked it up. But it is the 686 plus p. Now I have to wait to take it to the range and shoot it.
Congratulations Sir. You will not be disappointed with it. And you'll get to see for yourself why having both is a good thing. They offer two different shooting experiences.
@@mr2275cur thanks.
Keep the videos coming. Very informative
@@kingofdinks817 thank you. I’ll do my best..
Informative! Thank you…
Thank you.
Hello again big bro!!!! If you remember,i’m still looking for the 686-4 plus model. I came across a 686-4 CS-1…never heard of it and did some research. I’m sure you have knowledge of this model. Interested in your impression of the CS-1. I appreciate you as always. Ron
The CS-1 models were made to US Customs Service specifications that were mostly cosmetic differences from a standard 686. They have bead blasted finishes and a narrower than standard front sight and black rear sight, and all came with factory black rubber or polymer stocks (to my knowledge). Accuracy and durability is claimed to be better than a standard 686 too. It may be all of the above, but it's still a 686; so how much better can it be. Not enough to warrant the price difference IMHO.
Ok i got you. As always…you give solid advice. I will wait on the standard dash 4 and or the plus model dash 4. Question: if i get a standard dash 4….could S&W convert it to a plus?
@@micp2387 That's a good question. So let me say this before anything else: I am not sure about that, but I imagine it's possible. You'd probably have to get a different hand along with the 7-shot cylinder, and possibly have the timing worked out. But why would you even consider doing that. I'd just wait patiently for the "dash 4" and pay the high price if I really wanted one that much. Conversions can sometimes be tricky, and may ultimately cost you more than buying the gun you really want. Proceed With Caution!!!
@@micp2387 Check these two out on Gunbroker right now;
www.gunbroker.com/item/992898317
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Thank you for the review! My grandfather handed me down his Mod 66 and I heard about the cracking in the barrel, unfortunately right after i bought 50 rounds of .357. I don’t wanna put the high velocity rounds in the gun if it will cause it to damage.
Thank you Mr. Harrell. The 66 is an awesome revolver and is fully capable of shooting full powered .357 rounds. It's the lighter grain magnums t hat were credited with causing the issues. I've shot hundreds of .357 rounds through my guns and haven't had an issue; and so has countless others. I just shy away from shooting a lot of the 125-130 gr rounds. No one knows if or when the forcing cone will crack. Al you can do is understand what increasing the likelihood of it, and avoid or minimize doing those things. Enjoy your gun man...
Come on Big Swoll58 please tell me about some Colt and Ruger revolvers..
@@ga-gz1bo Colts are beautiful. I wish I had an original blue Python or Anaconda. I’m probably going to buy one once I sell of some of my collection to enjoy for a while. I love the triggers and action on the new ones more that the old ones. Plus I can easily afford a new modern one. I actually owned two Ruger GP-100’s a long time ago. My Blue 4” was my shooter. But the 6”” SS one was the beauty of the two. It had Ruger original grips with the medium brown Goncalo Alves wooden panels. I slicked up the trigger group which is very easy to do. Then polished it up to a very bright finish. Awesome revolver, but bulky and un-refined. Sold both and bought S&W’s. Wish I’d kept the SS gun though. I’ll probably buy another one to enjoy again about the same time I buy the Python.
I carried a 681 4" as a duty weapon in late 80's. Most officers carried 686 or 66's until the switch to 9mm. Since we used 38+P special ammo most carried the 66 as it was lighter. A very few carried N frame 28's or Rugers
I don't hear of many people that carried the 681. Any reason why you decided on t he 681 over the 686.?
@@mr2275cur I had some concerns that the adjustable sights on the 686 would possibly get knocked out of alignment during duty use on patrol..
@@seanmontgrain4146 I kinda thought that might be the reason.
The k frame was designed to practice with 38 spl. And carried with 357 mag. So in the early 80”s police departments changed their training to you practiced with what you carried, so now these k frame’s were being fed a constant diet of 357 mag. Ammo and after 100’s of rounds some k frames were showing cracks in the forcing cone, I carried a k frame model 65 as a duty gun, still have it, never experienced a forcing cone issue, by the time the L frame came out the “wonder 9” was sweeping the law enforcement market
That's interesting. I'd never heard that before.
Just have to use longer bullets to prevent cracking the barrel shank. Use coppers or 158s and higher.
I think the lighter and more powerful 125-138 gr defense rounds were the culprit. I'd stick with the 158 gr rounds in .357 magnum, or just drop down to .38 specials if I was gonna shoot a lot of rounds. Full power magnums loads may not be an issue, but why risk wrecking these awesome revolvers just for fun sake.
Great video indepth and I learned a lot about the Smith and Wesson model 66 and 686. I have several Smith and Wesson revolvers older and newer I love wheel guns nothing else like them.
Thank you. Semis are good, but man revolvers are just cool as heck. I couldn't agree more.
Good video. I own the 686 plus deluxe and really like it a lot. Powerful, accurate and sexy!
Thank you, and you are correct.
Beautiful pieces! I also own both as you in 4” and I love them!
Oh yeah. And thank you Mr. Villalon.
I've got the blued version of this pair, the 19 and the 586. Great video!
Excellent... Thank you...
Buy one of each. Brilliant advice!
I’m close to max volume, your voice audio is quiet compared to guns clicks. Nice video man, both guns are great 🔥
I'm sorry if you're having difficulty hearing it, but I'm not experiencing that on my computer. I'll make sure to pay attention to that in future videos. Thanks for bring that to my attention.