2020 Honda CR V Review // Oil dilution still an issue?
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- Опубликовано: 8 май 2020
- Motormouth takes the 2020 Honda CR-V for a spin. Updated for 2020 with a new Sport trim featuring larger wheels, unique front air intakes, different seating surfaces and bright work. The 2020 Honda CR-V is a compact SUV and battles every year with the Toyota RAV4 for the top spot in terms of sales. The Honda CR-V compact utility has room for 5-passengers, a large cargo area and is available with FWD and AWD. The engine driving the 2020 Honda CR-V compact crossover is a 1.5L turbocharged 4-cylinder with 190hp. Honda has suffered from an oil dilution issue with the 1.5L turbocharged engine in the CR-V and Honda claims they have been able to make a fix. The only transmission on the 2020 Honda CR-V is a continuously variable transmission or CVT. The display audio system is fitted with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto, plus the volume knob has been returned to the 2020 Honda VR-V. Honda's advanced safety system called Honda Safety Sensing is now standard on all CR-V models.
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It is now March of 2022, and the oil dilution problem is still present on these CR-Vs. I just did an oil change and the oil came out reeking of gasoline. The used oil also filled up a container to about 4.5 qts.. Remember that the oil capacity on this engine is 3.7 qts., which means there is at least 0.8 qts. of extra fluid (fuel) mixed in there with the oil. This on a car that sees 25-30 minute one way daily commutes, so it has plenty of time to warm up.
Whatever they "fixed" did nothing.
You can see used 2017 1.5L CRVs for sale with 300,000km, you either got a lemon or you're overthinking this.
Finally an auto journalist that mentions the oil dilution issue. Becuase of that I'd never trust this 1.5T engine
I own a 2017 CRV LX with the 2.4L non-turbo engine. I have four oil analysis reports that confirm the problem of oil dilution is not related to the small engine or turbo charging. The problem lies with the direct cylinder fuel injection system. In addition to that, it matters not which climate you live and operate the car in. There are forum members from Florida, California and Arizona with the issue, but the majority are in colder climate areas.. The oil analysis company specifies that any reading over 2% is cause for concern and my readings were as much as 3.5%. I have not reached 25,000 miles yet and otherwise the car has been flawless. I would advise anybody thinking of purchasing ANY Honda product to join a forum and do some research before committing to buy one. I formerly worked for three different Honda dealers, starting as early as 1979. When Soichiro Honda was still alive, the company was great and building the best reputation was paramount. Sadly now, it seems to be in the hands of bean counters and some customers got such shabby treatment from the corporation over this issue, they will never consider another Honda.
@@i.r.wayright1457 In every car engine, some amount of gas gets into the oil (and a certain amount of oil gets past the rings and burns in the combustion chamber). The question is, how much. And how much until it actually causes an engine issue. I've not seen these questions answered anywhere.
I confirmed!!!! Twice! TWICE in a few thousand miles it happened to me on a "2020" CRV with the turbo engine!! So pissed after my battery died unexpectedly after 3 days not using it with nothing on, I sold it for a rav4 honestly and never regret it cus I drove longer than the CRV now so far and had zero problems!
@@i.r.wayright1457 Another youtuber did a lengthy test of his 1.5T CR-V, making a spreadsheet documenting oil analysis results after every 5k mile oil change, up to 65k miles. He found that his oil dilution was consistently acceptable (
@@kenhoward3512 At 30,000 miles my 2.4L engine in the LX has settled down and giving good oil reports.
Whenever he says "Oil Delusion", I can't help but imagine little fuel particles thinking of themselves as if they are oil particles and fighting with engine walls to get to oil pan to join their brethren. It's oil dilution, not delusion.
Now that's funny. fixed.
can you actually spell what the guy was saying??? Look at the video title you moron.
To Strong Herd, Tanmay is correct in stating that the host's pronunciation is "delusion", but should be "dilution", like in his video title. In this instance your name calling is not deserving, given the gentle nature of the comment from Tanmay, your response indicates that you have taken this as a slight and are frustrated that someone has indicated the incorrect pronunciation. The host has acknowledged this in his comment. An error was made and when pointed out, was acknowledge. This was a respectful exchange for which you have misinterpreted. I think an apology would be appreciated here, as everyone makes mistakes. Hope you know that your comments matter to this community. Please take care.
@@coolhandluke6414 Thanks for your comment. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I would just chalk it down as r/woooosh
Not once but 5 times he said ‘delusion’. Hard to believe from an experienced reviewer.
Love the cr-v's roominess, the flat floor, the panoramic roof...but the oil dilution issue and the unconvincing fix knocked it out of my shopping list.
as a 17 Honda CRV owner with the 1.5 litre that has been fixed.I had the recall and they extended my engine warranty to 200000 kms or 6 years...
Ontario Observer and after 200.000 it will break eventually. Just by fixing doesn’t mean it’s completely gone. While rag 4 can go easily with 2,5 up to 350.000
Ontario Observer And what specifically was the ‘Fix’?
Brian Baker there is no fix. Updating the software doesn’t fix anything. It can fix a design flaw.
Guys. Please listen carefully to what have being said.
ECU remapping from Honda gets the engine warming up time shorter.
That means the gap in cold piston rings returns to normal as fast as it could be done.
And then fuel stops to leak into the oil.
From the other hand if you want to make cold engine not to throw fuel into engine oil you need to design less clearance between piston rings and cylinder wall.
But when turbocharged such small clearance could lead to piston seizure under severe load.
Or you can get piston slapping like others have.
Both scenario hugely affect reliability issue.
I've watched a few reviews on this car. they all focused on minor details e.g. plastic bumper shape, buttons locations, audio system features... Your review was straight to the point, objective and hit all the check boxes. You even explained the oil dilution issue perfectly. Thank you so much for the great review, it couldn't be done any better.
It's 2023 and I'm buying a 2020 CR-V from a dealership for 11K less than it used to cost. It seems to be the perfect car for me. I drive often to Banff.
Update on the car?
Yeah any update? I’m considering buying a 2020 crv with 61,000 miles on it. I’d love to know how it’s treating you!
Doesn't the auto industry think that single people or couples without kids need practical cars too? Anything other than a sports car is viewed as a soccer mom mobile.
Honda is full of crap about the cold weather and short trips being the main cause of the oil dilution. We had one and it was making trips of 30km one way to work and the dilution was terrible. So bad we started getting the smell of fuel in the cabin. We do live in a colder climate but it was parked in a insulated garage every night.
We loved everything about this car but the oil dilution was a breaking point.
We battled for months over this vehicle with Honda. They wouldn’t or couldn’t do anything for us. Our dealership ended up buying the vehicle back thank god. Driving a RAV 4 now.
Buyer be ware. For my money a RAV4 or CX-5 is the way to go.
@@handycap9815 The Ford Eco Boost engines are junk. stick to non turbo simple 4 cylinder engines if you want a trouble free car.
Thank you for this comment. I started thinking I could buy a new CR-V or used one with low miles, and that I'd be okay with it as long as I'm making long trips and changing the oil every 5k mi (which I've always done anyway). I guess I'd better pass.... Considering you'll still have issues despite doing what Honda recommends as a remedy to this problem. I agree, RAV-4 wound be the way to go. Honda needs to fix this issue if they ever want to keep their customers or gain back the ones they've lost.
The only CR-V I could seriously consider would be the older ones that offered the 2.4 L engine. For some years, that's only the LX, which lacks many creature comforts I've grown to love in my cars. Or having to go even a few more years back to find the top trims, but that means having to settle for more miles on the odometer, which would be ok as long as it comes with service records.
Honda, what have you become? I can't believe they think that solution actually solves the oil dilution issue for the long term. I can see this vehicle will have a terrible resale value in the years to come - who wants to risk having to fix that engine when its 6 or 7 years old.
I’ve owned every generation of CRV and currently have 2, a 2014 and 2011, both flawless with the bulletproof 2.4L non- turbo, non- direct injection and non-CVT. My next car will be the Rav4 as Honda has lost me. Anyone keeping their car more than 5 years needs to avoid the 1.5L CRV’s.
Great choice... you are welcome with open arms at toyota. Had a 2005 matrix which is still running pretty good with the new old school 1.8.litre engine and got 2020 corolla with same engine and it's been flawless..
I had a 2017 CRV - traded it for a 2020 CX5 Mazda. Good move. No engine worry, no cvt.
Less economy less space for passengers less cargo area for family luggage, middle seat is uncomfortable, those are the tradeoffs
I work at a dealership actually Mazda has more problems than Honda.
Honda should admit their mistake with this turbo engine & go back to the drawing board
I think Honda is marketing a vehicle which many are clueless about on oil dilution. When I go to a dealership and ask the salesman some play dumb others oh its been fixed and deflect the subject. My issue is not at 50,000 miles how about 200K, where is this engine going to be? I plan on driving this for a good 15 year plus. My 2003 Camry V-6 3.0L has 315k miles keeps cruising with tune-ups , that is my gold standard and I luv that engine. If only it was in the the CRV, no brainer and it gets great gas milage.
@@johncantey1265 The 1.5T from '15 Civic isn't exploding 5 years later, so I bought a 2020 CR-V anyway. If I chill in the slow lane on the freeway w/cruise control, it'll get just over 40 mpg, which is insane.
@@xorbe2 what's gonna happen when it stalls or you smell gas coming inside the cabin?
@@JAM_2024 Change your oil sooner than 15000 miles, duh
can't imagine honda's with the 1.5L turbo are going to be worth much on the used market. that is, for the wise buyer.
So glad I bought a 2019 CRV LX, last year. It was the last year you could get the 2.4L engine. 1.5L is to small for a car this large, additionally the turbo is always being engaged
I own a 2019 CRV LX with the standard 2.4L and a 2018 Mercedes 300 with 2.5T. The difference between both is that the Mercedes is quicker from the stop (naturally) but on the highway the CRV has surprising pep. I like the mantra Swiss army knife.
CRV gets the same fuel economy as the RAV4, which has a traditional torque converted auto and no turbo. The choice is clear.
I agree, I would take the Toyota. I think the Toyota looks better as well.
WeAreInTheMatrix EPA fuel economy is always too optimistic in the real world I’m betting this will get better fuel economy
The Toyota dynamic force engine uses port and direct injection, do there will not be carbon buildup
WeAreInTheMatrix I’d rather have a large displacement naturally aspirated high compression engine (2.5 RAV4 motor).
Yup
Everyone keeps whining about oil dilution but hardly anyone has had problems. These cars are everywhere on the streets.
I’m one of those who does have oil dilution. I first found the problem when I changed my oil. Very few people perform their own oil changes these days. If they did, you would find more people reporting the issue.
The vehicle is too new to exhibit the long term effects of oil not lubricating the motor properly. Give it another few years and issues will start cropping up. Why do you think manufacturers like BMW quietly started lowering the oil change intervals from 24,000 kms to 15,000 kms after about 6 years? Because the motors started getting issues with sludge and timing chain failures and they had to pay out tons of money in CPO warranties fixing these issues. This vehicle will eventually suffer the same fate.
There are quite a few car salesman who I regularly see commenting all over You tube, and car magazines, etc. It is tough to know the truth, but I like to research used cars and look for a pattern of issues they might have, unfortunately the 1.5 has only been around since 2016 so its not easy to tell if there have been failures. A ford or Buick or Mazda salesman will definitely tell you they are unreliable without data, only to sell you one of their cars.
I have a 2019, change oil myself, no problem as i love it so far.
LMAO what a moron pik nick is. Because there's a lot of cars everywhere, it means the car is reliable. That's all it is. You see a lot of ford focus on the road. Ford is reliable
Its unbelieveable how Honda still couldn't solve that 1.5 engine oil dilution problem. It sounds very risky to me.
Yup my sister crv havent got to 20k miles yet after 1 year of owning it start to happen to it my used 10th gen accord still drive smooth but I’m really hope nothing happen to it I want to last when I can finally upgrade to something better so I can sell the car in mint condition.
@@vce.john1734 10th gen? what year is that
@@greg6162 mine is 2019 I’m going to sell it once I get a job and get a Tesla because I don’t want to deal with any problems if the car gave me problems
1200 miles on my wife's CRV....dead on the side of the road. Oil dilution! Our LAST Honda! DO NOT BUY A DIRECT INJECTION 1.5L TURBO Honda. You've been warned.
@@jonpenguin303 weird my sister crv is 2021 bought new 2 year ago but that thing still run perfect she drove it 6 hour away 3 hour away too but nothing happen.
Good review👍 We bought a 2020 CR-V Sport here in Northern Ontario 3 weeks and love it so far. We bought it because of 1) value 2) functionality 3) made in Ontario and 4) our two 65 lb dogs fit safely and comfortably in the cargo area behind the back seat! It's so deep their heads can barely be seen over the back seats.
made in ontario baby good move
as for your dogs they will be very safe in transport
good choice i bought one too
We have a 2020 CRV my wife drives it and we live down south in Georgia, so far the dealership has changed the oil but today they were to busy so I did it myself, I found out there was a quart and a half extra oil in it which was actually gas mixed in with the oil. Okay it only has 29,000 miles on it and I knew of the old dilution problem but was absolutely shocked to see how much was in there so it is NOT normal and it will affect the life of the engine, Honda Has been trying to brush this one under the rug there are many stories like mine just search the forums.
I get fuel in my oil. Bad gas smells. Dealer says it’s NORMAL! Still a huge problem. I live in warm climate, and average drive is 38 miles to work!
I have a 2019 CRV. Look on my channel, I have a vid of me checking my oil at 50% oil life. It is terrible. My garage smells like gas too.
what year what your CRV?
@@Blackhawk556. 2019 sir
The RAV4 with bigger displacement engine and 8 speed auto seems more bombproof combo than an small engine being stressed by a turbo paired to a CVT. Plus RAV4 is a more rugged/truck-like design compared to the feminine look of a CRV
@@noexistence1 I agree with you on this but I think I would rather deal with gear hunting than a CVT! lol :-)
Take the new RAV4 hybrid for test drive and you'll see why it's a massive seller. Besides obviously much better mileage it's a much more satisfying drive. More powerful especially off the line. Much quieter engine noise then gas models (no hood blanket on gas models big fail by Toyota). Interior is massive improvement over previous generations. While infotainment is a let down the build quality, soft touch points all over and comfortable fake leather seats make it an excellent daily driver. I opted for XSE model + 19" rims. Corners quite nicely for a compact SUV ☺
@1pilot2000 the only offroading this gen of Rav4 will do is if it hops a curb at Walmart or Costco...
Rented a new 2020 RAV4 for a week and wanted to like it but the engine was really harsh, especially on hard throttle. The transmission didn't work well either. I'm turned off by both the CR-V and RAV4.
@@1revwilly I thought the same thing. But 2 years later, I couldn't be happier with my Civic Hatchback with the 1.5L Turbo and CVT. It hauls a$$ when I need it to move, and I consistently get 40+ mpg, manually calculated. Since I live in the southern US and drive more than a few miles at a time, I haven't experienced the oil dilution that some others have. But Honda still settled any concern by increasing the warranty for the engine to 6 years and unlimited mileage.
I just traded in my 2018 Honda CRV EX for a 2020 Honda HRV Sport. There are several reasons why I did this. First one is the oil dilution problem. The oil level was always about 1/2 inch above the full mark on the oil dip stick and smelled like gas. The remote start ran the vehicle for 8 minutes and the car was completely cold after doing so and the heater was still blowing cold air. Had to drive at least 5 miles before warm air would come out of the heater even after warming it up for 16 minutes. I, personally, think the safety features are a joke. It slammed on the brakes when there was absolutely no reason for it but didn’t work if a deer ran out in front of you so obviously wouldn’t work if a pedestrian jumped out in front of you either and the lane departure feature would activate just by hitting a quick dip or frost heave in the road. Of course you can turn both of these features off but why pay for something that doesn’t really provide any safety. I tried the Econ button but it only got worse gas mileage than when it was off. In the winter time the slush got up under the vehicle and froze there to the point of making my muffler sound like it had a problem and I carried 50-60 extra pounds of weight around. I live in rural Maine with bumps and twists and turns in the road with no lines and lots of wildlife and lots of snow on the roads so I guess this vehicle would be a good city car where they don’t have these issues. I mentioned these issues to the Honda dealership and all I got was excuses why the vehicle operated like it did and was told that the oil dilution problem was fixed with a recall. They took care of the recall on my last visit a year ago but the problems still exist. My new HRV has none of these features and doesn’t have the same engine so hopefully it will be a great car like the old Honda used to be.
Yeah in cold areas it is like 16 minutes for the engine to warm up which is too long. Even then if you drive easy the engine starts cooling. This can't be good. I am disappointed in Honda. They could have used shutters in the front grill like Chevy Cruze did to limit cold air from chilling the engine in winter climates. They could have used mixed injection with port injection employed when cold as it mixes better when cold but they didn't. They could have used NA motor with VTEC tuned for rapid warm up. Many strategies not employed. Even just offering two engine choices could have given northerners a choice for them. $$$ money rules the day with Honda sadly.
I loved my 05 with a manual transmission. Too bad they dropped the ball with the engine
The 05 was running the K24 the K series is the best engines Honda ever built.
I looked seriously at the Honda CRV but ended up getting a Rav4 because of the oil/gas dilution issue and Honda's solution to blame the driver! I had a Accord, one of the last of the V6 modela that I loved. I got this one by tradeing in a Toyota Camry because the Honda had a far superior interior. Until Honda puts on their Big Boy pants and comes up with a solution I won't be buying another one of their cars. A pity because otherwise I like it better than anything else on the market.
Thx for not expecting these cars (and others) to be track machines. You Tube influencers (amateurs) who expect every car to have an enthusiasts model or be at least fast and exhilarating, make themselves look childish. These review channels would have more integrity if they honestly reviewed what they had in front of them, like this channel does. If boring vehicles lead to low view counts then the audience isn't watching for a potential purchase. They're watching to learn dream and escape, which is fine. We all do that but to my point, videos of average cars should be just that.
Thanks for noticing the difference between this channel and others.
very good presentation... this guy is pleasant to listen to...
I have a 17 CRV exl which I bought in Feb 17 same colour as your driving...Had the recall done in Nov 18 re the oil dilution and its been running great ...I did notice the oil level going up before the recall. I live north of Toronto.It is the swiss army knife of SUV's ..I have just under 70000 kms and will most likely buy another new one next year...This 17 replaced a 14 Rav 4 I had..The Rav4 was great vehicle but I find the Honda CRV so much more refined especially the seats...I sat in a 20 Rav4 at the Toronto auto show in February and the large knobs are annoying and the seats still are not up to what they could be if they designed them like Honda..There is no doubt in my mind the Rav4 is a great vehicle they just have to work on the interiors....
You got it right, this is a comfortable vehicle for families. All these car reviewers out there complaining about how it doesn’t have enough power, it’s not a race car folks.
Our 2019 CR-V has performed well. We purchased it in early December. We had a cold winter and did not have any oil dilution problems with it. My wife and I really like the vehicle. It is the main vehicle, so it gets a lot of use. Motormouth is correct when he says it is not performance oriented. It is not intended to be. However it holds it's own in town or on the highway. We have taken trips with it and driven it at interstates speeds of 80 mph and felt safe and secure in it. It handles very well. We also like the Honda Sense. I would not hesitate buying another one.
It looks really sharp, especially in that colour and trim. But I think the Toyota powertrain is more appealing from a reliability standpoint.
Toyotas are COMPLETE GARBAGE
@@UltimateTexasHoldemGuru Explain, many people myself included have them with 250,000 + miles and it still runs like a charm get great mileage. Better transmissions and engines. Old Honda's often were considered as good or better but not anymore.
@@UltimateTexasHoldemGuru Toyotas are good. The dealer sucks.
I would definitely go with RAV4, non-turbo, non CVT, no issues
wise choice
You can get the 2.0 engine with the Hydrid version
I had a 2020 CR-V trucked in from one state to another at Carmax and actually kind of fell in love with it. But it's on the lot waiting for me to "consider it". I've spent the entire day with my jaw on the floor reading about the oil dilution thing and I've already started shopping around for Rav4 and similar. Honda doesn't care if I don't buy their car, I'm just one tiny person on the planet. But damn. I wish I weren't FORCED to not buy the car by the actual manufacturer.
Have had my ‘21 ex-l for three years now and it’s been nothing but great! Has not given me any mechanical issues whatsoever and I get oil changes once the oil life gets down to 30%. The great thing with Honda, as well as Toyota is, as soon as a mechanical or design flaw occurs in their vehicles, they own up to it right away work like hell to correct it since they take tremendous pride in quality control.
It’s also been a great road trip vehicle, of which I’ve been on three with the family. Are there more attractive looking crossovers on the market, sure, but you’ll be hard pressed to find one that’s as well made and reliable as a CR-V! Needless to say, I intend to hold on to mine for a very long time!
If you want to drive like a jerk don't buy this. If you want a great car then buy this. I've owned two different generations of the CRV and love it. P. S. I also have a RAV4.
These new CRVs arent like the old ones. They are unreliable cars.
The oil dilution problem has NOTHING to do with the way you drive. Why defend Honda on this when they clearly screwed up with their engine design?
@@MrTubeniko He didn't say it had anything to do with the way you drive. He's just saying it's not a sporty car to drive like a jerk.
I realize why the CRV fuel economy is so good, all the gas goes into the crankcase.
I have got CR-V 1.5T nice car, 50K km without problems, no oil dilution.
I'll drive my '97 CRV till I die. I hate all the new gadgetry.
The CR-V isn't so 'compact' anymore .........
DAVID Y you can say that about any car nowadays
It's a mommyvan.
@@f181234 right? The compact car now is as big as the family sedan before.
It was the swiss army knife it is no longer. The old engine was durable. The new engine is dubious at best.
For the record, the S on the shifter is not “Sport mode”. It just Drive S witch gives you better acceleration response or engine braking for hills.
My first CR-V was the original back in '97. It took my new 2020 BMW M340 to topple it as my all time favourite vehicle I have ever owned.
How much does M340 cost?
@@namvet1968 new in the top spec I have is just over $75,000 (Canadian) but I managed to get the only used one available in the province of Ontario at the time. It had just come off an employee lease with 7000kms. I got it for about $13,000 less than new. Seemed like a good deal for a rare spec of car at the time.
Also, meant to include that this is after 9,400km... oil is in great shape, right at the fill line, maintenance minder still showing 50%. What’s more interesting to me is... fuel mileage has dropped as low as 7.3L/100km. I usually get 87 octane from a big brand in Canada but switched to 91 from a Top Tier brand as recommended and to help with GDI carbon build up prevention. Fuel efficiency improved significantly, about 1L less gas on average. Not only that but with Honda engines the maintenance required is significantly reduced. Been with Toyota for 20 years, my last Sienna needed oil changes every 6 months or 8,000km. With Honda it’s double that, every 12 months or 16,000km. I also have a Hyundai Santa Fe XL, which is 6 months or 6,000km. That’s huge... now we’re not comparing van to van or SUV here but the compact SUV is very easy on maintenance.
If you are changing your oil every 16,000km, your engine life will be decreased. That is too long for an oil change. Are you checking your oil level? Gasoline mixes in with the oil and reduces the lubrication ability.
Honda used to be known for quality and reliability. No so much any longer. They are doing what most others do now - try to make trendy cars that look good and are pleasurable to drive (not that I think the CRV looks good). Reliability is no longer a staple for a Honda, which is terrible news.
Actually they decided on going for simplicity and short-term reliability at the expense of long-term durability, which is still a largely unknown variable. The verdict is still out on that. But without mixed injection, it is costing owners more money in frequent oil changes and may cost them engine life after six years.
Was considering this a couple of years ago, but the initial lag off the line was too severe.
I have serious doubt a tiny 1.5 l engine will last 200K miles, especially equipped with a turbo charger. Skip !
Yea why dont they just use a 2L or 2.4L engine?
I agree we had a 2.2 diesel in Australia. Honda dropped it in favour of the 1.5 petrol. No thanks.
Its your loss!🤣🤣🤣
It should do better than a naturally aspirated engine since it has higher torque at lower revs, while the non turbo needs higher revs with more wear. The CVT is also much smoother than manual, and DCT transmissions and thus easier on the engine with less wear.
CRV with the Passport AWD system (SH-AWD) and the 2 Liter Turbo from the accord would be perfect
It's called the Acura RDX.
Thank god I got the 2018 crv base model without the 1.5
This generation of CR-V has always had the radio volume knob.
Yep. It’s always had a infotainment volume knob. I think the change was to the steering wheel volume control becoming physical button rather than capacitive touch.
My 2021 CRV has the "oil dilution issue" confirmed by my dealer. 6,900 miles. Still a problem. Buyer beware.
"The swiss army knife of the utility vehicles" You really like to describe vehicles in 1 line a lot.
If Honda wants to stay with that turbocharged engine . My next vehicle will be a Rav4 . It's a shame I really like my 2013 CRV .
The last good CRV was 2014, good engine and regular trans. cvts started in 2015 so keep yours.
Rav 4s are ugly as fuck.
How's the speaker system? Not that thrilled with the one in my Civic Sport Touring.
Im waiting on the 2023 to come out next year! I hear it's a all new design!
Hi, please review the Canadian Honda CRV - 2021 model
Always questioned the intellect of using start/stop on a turbo engine. What happens when you come off a freeway and get stopped by traffic, and start/stop shuts the engine off while the turbo is red hot? That can’t be good. Perhaps we need to move to electric turbos. Thanks for the video.
2W3X4YZ5 I know some turbo engines has a fan to cool the turbo when the engine shuts off. Not sure about Honda’s 1.5T though.
@nickolas A fan? The turbo needs to be cooled internally. The fan is not going to circulate oil through the turbo while the engine is off. I remember an old Datsun 310 that had a small fan mounted next to the carburetor, supposedly to stop vapor lock. It wasn’t effective. IMO decoupling the turbo from the exhaust is the only way to keep the temp down enough to avoid damaging the turbo in start/stop applications.
2W3X4YZ5 I had a 2011 Tiguan, and when I come home on a hot day, even if I let it idle for 1 minute or so, the fan would stay on when I turn the engine off 🤷🏻♂️
2W3X4YZ5 cooling turbos down was a thing in 70s and 80s. This isn’t necessary anymore with modern turbos. The oil passages are manufactured better and synthetic oil is way better at resisting
coking. The turbo in the crv is both water and oil cooled.
@BDLL So I guess the fan is unnecessary.
Excellent narration/review, but I’m not sure it’s for me! However, those fixed on looking for this type of vehicle, you can’t go wrong with Honda products! (I’ve been a Honda owner for many years now; presently driving a 2019 Honda Accord EX-L 2.0t; also an awesome vehicle) 👍
Thanks for the info!
I have always been an advocate for Honda. But this was during the days of the K Series. Back in the day, the CRV, Element, Civic Si, Accord got a K Series. The Pilot, Odyssey, Ridgeline and V6 Accords got a J Series V6 and the regular Civics got the R18. These were the days when Honda finally got the 5 Speed right and everything got a Naturally Aspirated 1.8, 2.0, 2.4, 3.2 or 3.5. In fact, the only turbo in Hondas portfolio was a K23 Turbo in the RDX. But since the 9th Gen Civic Refresh and the Accord Refresh, everything gets a CVT and starting with the 10th Gen Accord and 10th gen Civic, everybody gets a L15 1.5 Turbo. A true shame. Now, the Civic Coupe has been discontinued along with the Fit, the Accord Sport can no longer come with a manual starting at the end of 2020 and Honda might enter a partnership with General Motors. True. Shame.
Could you share the link to the Honda video explaining the oil dilution issue? Appreciate you delving into that issue, most auto journalists would overlook that.
ruclips.net/video/fVdKNRgzGT8/видео.html It's just an explanation, no mention of a fix. Honda hasn't been clear about what it is that they have fixed. Maybe they have but people no longer give them a free pass because of memories of their automatic transmissions from the early 2000's
I thought they fixed the problem
Awesome vehicle; will work for any family.
I thought this video would answer the question about oil dilution with the 1.5
The answer is what we all know but are not going to tell you...
It’s still a problem, regardless of what Honda will tell you.
2017 turbo CRV owner here. Compared to every crossover available in 2017 it had the best room, mpgs, and decent acceleration and that overall balance still holds true today. Sorry, but I check monthly and still no oil dilution (or delusion) after 3 yrs. I've owned only stickshift cars before this and don't mind the CVT at all - probably because I have no preconception of what a slush box is supposed to feel like. Was the CX5 sportier and sleeker? Yes, but it was cramped and only the top trim turbo version was faster. Is the new Forester better off-road? Yes, my dad bought one, but it was sluggish as hell. A comparable Rav4 was faster than the Subaru, but not the CRV and had slightly less space, but it wasn't available at the time and I'd only be interested in the PHEV Prime version tbh.
same here I have Civic X sport plus no issues at all
I have the 2017 Honda CR-V as well and have not had any Oil dilution issues.
Phrancis5, do you live in a cold climate area? Seems this oil dilution issue stems from living around really cold winters.
@@ofcbob6391 Not Canada/N.Dakota cold, but we do get snow. The issue for most GDI engines is lots of short trips that don't allow the engine to warn up, combined with cold.
I live in Thailand and this problem is unheard of in the civic 1.5 turbo. Probably due to the climate - hot most of the time!
Speaking of northern climates (colder)... it has been snowing in the Nation’s Capital off and on - all morning (nothing staying on ground). No jumping in any lake anytime soon. I like this CRV. Unattractive perhaps... . but they are great vehicles. But, I would recommend the automatic larger displacement Toyota Rav4 - though it isn’t any more attractive. Thanks for the video, Zack.
Blind spot monitoring and cross traffic monitoring are only available in the Touring trim and not on the Sport trim. Blind spot monitoring really should be on all trims.
Mike M. You’re right. Blind spot monitoring is the most important of all the safety features. They probably know that which is why its only offered on the upper trim levels.
@@donnalibby6246 Are you fried? I would rather have airbags than blindspot monitoring. Would rather have a car that's engineered to take a hit, crumple into itself and protect the driver and passangers. Blind spot monitoring is awesome and useful, but to say its the most important feature is Massive stretch....
I leased the 2020 lx / awd which is the base model . I'd love to trade some of the included safety features on the lx in exchange for blind spot monitering which is probably the only feature that I'd really make use of . Ah well
I save a 2020 Accord Sport 2.0T with MT, it has blind spot and cross traffic monitoring.
And the CRV and RAV4 are both built in Canada 🇨🇦
Proudly and good quality build.
@@moeanthony9308 i guess the oil dilution issue is a proof of good quality build, go Canada eh !
@@SuperCortisone The engines are made in the US and shipped to Canada. American quality huh?
@@acrdn2tc you shut him up lol.
TC Chandraraj actually there’s an engine plant in Ontario
Very thorough and well done. Please update us on the oil dilution issue, seeing we have two new Hondas with 1.5T engines.
Don
Surrey, BC
Its 2020 no one care about gas prices anymore..i want my car to last me 10 years without issues, i would rather paying $2k a year in gas then $5k in repair cost..
Cause Honda is psychic and saw this coming...
I love how everyone says “get the Toyota, it’ll go XXX,XXX miles”.... yet most people will never own it long enough to go that many miles or won’t take care of it well enough for it to last.
Drove our Corolla to 330 000...my sister had her Yaris to 360 000...have met people with other Toyotas...one with a V6 RAV 4....500 000 and a retired couple with a 4 Runner with 400 000 and my Taco is at 166 000. My wifes RAV 4 is the virgin at 106 000. All numbers are kilometres. So...now about your comment.
Zack: what is the update(on oil dilution issues)? does Honda have a fix or not? love your channel btw!
Did you watch?
Maybe I missed it, did you notice any change in the oil level during the time you tested the vehicle? Any gas odor from the oil on the dipstick or inside the cabin?
No, I only had the vehicle for a week
Motormouth yes i did but i'll watch again if needed.
It js still a problem for driving 10 minute commutes below -5C
Ive the 2016 2.4L Vtec model. We use it for long highway drives other than my wife take it to work. 0 complaints so far just regulr fluid changes. It will easily do its job another 10+years. If im shopping in this class now i will go for Rav4, i dont trust the current 1.5 engine for my purpose of keeping 15years.
That's the one I like the most most too
If you do get new CRV do oil changed every 8000km max with oil dilution issue.
Check out the Mazda CX-5 also.
CRV is a good value SUV. Really comfortable to drive.
Well CVTs are out for me. I understand the new Toyota 8 speed transmission is not that good so looks like the Mazda CX-5 will be getting some consideration. I’ll need to research other brands as well.
Hmmm...my observation with the auto stop engine is thar you have to press that brake more when at stop for the engine to turn off. If you lidt your foot a little. It will turn on.
2019 CRV 2.4L for me. That thing is fast on tight corners. Got the BC racing with front strut bar.
Do you have oil delution?
@@cabautista02 Nope!
@Jamaal Davis how is your crv today? I am debating getting one
With the ability to lower the cargo area false floor would a full spare tire and rim fit in without causing the floor area to push up?
I've given up on Honda. They started slipping a decade ago (and ever before that in some aspects) with transmissions issues and then came the other issues like PCV valves failing which lead to oil consumption and now this BS oil dilution issue. Even small amounts of gas in the oil dramatically reduces the lubricating qualities of that oil (synthetic or not) so I doubt we will see these CRVs doing 300k miles like the previous versions. Toyota Rav 4 is hands down the better vehicle and with the hybrid powertrain it has some good giddy up too. If you want a more premium feel then check out the Mazda CX 5.
Toyotas are COMPLETE GARBAGE
@@kingpins9 Experienced it first hand. It was nothing but trouble.
The main cause for oil dilution is GDI.All engines with GDI has this problem some are worse than others
I got a CRV 2020. It is a great car for the city but the wind noise in the highway is disappointing. It feels as if your window is a bit open.
Does the oil dilution also affect the 2.0 liter version? Or it's just the 1.5 one?
RAV4 hybrid or prime is the way to go.
I love the look of it. Always did. Way better looking than rav4. Looked at it in 2019 and almost got one, until i saw Oil diluton problem. Thank god I saw videos like this from other owners and ended up buying something else. Fast forward to 2023 and I still want to see what’s going on and people with 2021 and 2022 models are still complaining about oils dilution. What’s Honda doing? Do they think people are stupid and will drop 40-50k for car with known defect. So sad
I was considering a CR-V but after reading some of the well explained OIL DILUTION comments I'm taking this vehicle off my list. HAM engineering team has too much influence on the powertrain design now. I've owed two Hondas, one purchased used and one brought new. Both vehicles (an Accord 4 and 6 bangers) got 300K+ plus miles (basic maintenance only) before I freely gave them away to family members. The CR-V has a beautiful skin, too bad it has a nightmarish powertrain.
I’m on my 3rd CR-V, 2010 (used), 2016 & 2020. The 2020 is the best by far… you have to drive one to experience it, compared to my mid-sized SUV the mileage you get out of it is quite incredible, especially if you use a top tier gas like Shell Nitro. My SUV is not a turbo and it seems to over-rev compared to the Turbo.
Honda has the secret sauce with the A/F mixture and it is awesome in any environment.
I have an 09' EXL, has been bullet proof. Plan on driving it until the wheels fall off. That being said, I just don't understand why Honda went this direction on the power plant. If the most questionable part of the vehicle is the powertrain combo, right off the bat, that should say something. If I was hell bent on a new Honda, probably would go back to the Accord with the optional 2.0
AFAIK the CR-V is assembled in Canada. There are only excuses for not doing extensive cold weather testing in Kapuskasing to identify this very serious, very expensive problem prior to launch.
Good review. I think it looks better than the RAV4.
Honda has best CVT. Start stop is not in US. I have looked at these closely, they use a damm in front of radiator to warm up quickly, similar to many trucks. It heats well and it as well cools quicker in summer. Hybrid uses the 2.4 L engine.
“Driving down the street in my CRV”
My 2012 Camry V6 3.5L can get about 9L/100km city and 7L/100km highway.
I own 4 05 CRVs and and 04 Rav4. They are both great vehicles. I really dont like the turbo or the CVT in the new CRVs.
The 2005 crv will outlive the 2020
@@m.b5777 completely agree.
The silver trim on the front and rear ends looks awkward, but I'm glad the interior is available without the awful fake wood trim.
Well done!!
CR V does oil dilution very well
Nope
Can tell you don't like it cause of the cvt lol. good review
The CRV I bought in Richmond, Virginia, USA from Pearson Honda is terrible. When starting down the road, between 20-30 mph the front tires bounce like a kid dribbing a basketball. Dealership said "no problem there". Contacted the corporative Honda office for support, told they would respond in 3 business days - and that was over 6 months ago. To date, no response. 10,000 miles later, it bounces worse. Dealership advertises as "We take care of your every needs". Ha. I have driven Hondas since 1984 with 4 purchases. This is my last one - anyone want to buy a bouncy ride?
Swiss army knives do not have oil dilution problems from cold climate, turbo and high compression in the knife. "Honda told me'" talk is interesting but I have concerns after many years of different gas and Diesel motors with most of them going 250K miles. Try the Rav4 with moon roof and more HP with direct/port injection and relax because you can just drive it your normal way.
I have a 2020 Honda CR-V EXL - 8,000kms - there’s proof! No oil dilution in 2020. If anyone tells you different they’re lying... I’ve gone from 2010, 2016 to 2020, never had one repair issue, never overpay for maintenance either compared to other brands
@ SCraig 2018 And how long have you worked for Honda??😂😂
@@shocksemler8145 We have a 2003 Honda Civic with 200K miles, blue paint, Vtec bought from a Dealer-Pauly in Libertyville IL. First, the 20 yrs sales person selling the car stood back some 7 feet away from me leaning against another car whilst letting me start the Civic. He later admitted that he knew the check engine light was on. I replaced the cam sensor the next day and "you solved my problem-his words". The sparks plugs were also the wrong spec as I later found. The rubber gasket on the Vtec was leaking-I replaced to make the Vtec come alive. One repair shop wanted $900 to fix the brakes-all shot and (RR slave was leaking fluid and we lost brake pedal pressure). I bought $302 worth of after market parts and used $130 worth to fix it and returned the unused parts for credit. The repair garage said, "your rear drums are rusted". I said, "on the inside??"
The transmission was slipping whilst from 2 to 3rd. I changed the fluid and filter-much better. The 8MM screws that held the top of the carb air box were rusted-stripped and the lid was not tight against the box bottom causing an acceleration as one let off the gas pedal. Long term this was part of the trans clutch wear due to unwanted acceleration in the shift sequence (the rpms were jumping; that lid was letting in air at the wrong time). Bought a new box bottom from Pauly.
Recently we had a starting issue: hard to keep the motor lit after 2 spark fires and when running after a 15 minutes drive not able to restart. Pauly Honda has diag testing equipment we do not so we paid the $139 diag cost. We got back 2 pages of their no drive-computer analysis from the tech and service writer-Kevin. "your Honda is not worth fixing by rebuilding the motor (#2 cylinder 15% (OMG) lower compression than the other 3) and your Civic is not worth even putting in a used motor." These other problems are
the cause of the hard starting and no start said they. "You have a right front axle that is rusted and will sooooon break-unsafe". "Your front suspension 'compliance bushings' are bad - safety issue"; "You have multiple engine oil leaks" - The seals on the rack and pinion are worn excessively-I had earlier checked with this dealer-parts dept. about a replacement rack and pinion and they do not offer any longer for this model. Solution-Lucas rack and pinion fluid. "needs front pads and rotors" (we will see)
"Customer advised needs new motor for starting issues" 'Kevin, you are snow balling the issues' "customer advised needed repairs exceed value of the vehicle". Well.
Reading over the 2 pager and I concluded a little research would maybe help. In comes Eric O. of South Main Auto, NY. Eric has a wave tester diag tool that plots an electronic
issue and one can see if an issue exists with images of the wave being disturbed revealing broken waves. The Pauly tech employed an older approach and said the Ohms was correct for the cam sensor; voltage was right and ground checked. I spoke to my neighbor saying we had fixed the cold start and no start when hot problem with a new intake air sensor ($18) and a new cam shaft sensor-$106 and now the car starts, has more power and idles smoothly. His reply from a distance: "yeah, they probably let some grease monkey do the testing; he shoulda checked the wave.?"
So, Craig, atleast we can fix an older model; but, the later 1.5L turbo is a pig in a poke. If you get a bad one and frankly we do not want to take a $30K gamble, so we just bought the new Rav4-2020 with moon roof and no turbo. And, got the 7 speed automatic that has 7 years experience from Lexus. Scotty Kilmer says NO to the Honda 1.5L Turbo. I have worked for Honda and will continue to work Honda.
As a note, Craig, I have 178K on a Sprinter van with one inject copper washer ($11) that leaked. I expect 400-500K miles before it stops. Keep going with the Honda but be aware
of the 1.5L turbo issues and all should be OK. If you have a slight growing oil-cylinder wall issue at 80K miles then what will you do? The older Hondas were better and you have proven that to yourself.
Vincent Rolfe enjoy the maintenance $$, In 2013 Toyota started charging for labor on oil changes, went from $50 to $120 per oil change. Honda still does it for less than $80. Not to mention the RAV-4 cracked engine block issue. I had no issues with my 1998, 2006 or 2013 Sienna vans. In 2011 they introduced a 4-cylinder with a rubber engine belt to reduce sound and increase fuel efficiency. After 2 years and less than 24,000km it went and destroyed the engine. Worst issue I ever had with a vehicle. Toyota refused to replace the engine. It could have cost me $4,500 to replace it. Toyota comes up with these great ideas that tend to blow up in their faces. It’s a good company but they take unnecessary risks.
Honda I’ve found does a lot more R&D and doesn’t jump on board to a new technology unless the risks are at an acceptable level
Can you do a review on the Tiguan?
1.5 oil dilution GDI valves carbon up CVT weak will fail prematurely..power train complete nightmare...
Toyota rav 4 has gone back to a regular transmission... GOOD FOR TOYOTA
The last good CRV was in 2014 as it had a regular transmission and the 2.4 motor non turbo
It is sad Honda has refused to change after making a bad motor with a weak cvt
Toyota makes their $$ off service not sales, 3x the price of Honda for the same service... went through several Sienna’s with them, all had fuel injection issues at 110,000km. Been buying Honda for 8 years now, only need annual maintenance and they don’t try to sell you on all this extra crap
My 2014 front tires bounces when accelerating between 20-30 mph. Honda dealership said "no problems there". Filed complaint with Honda corporative office, told reply in 3 business days = over 9 months ago & still no response. Outside of this, it does okay. This is my 4th Honda purchase since 1984 - also my last purchase due to 0 support by dealership & Honda.
Love my 2009 CRV. Woud not consider a new one. Smaller engine with turbo and a CVT is a deal breaker for me. I'll go RAV 4 in the future.
I owned a 2017 CRV Touring from the day it was released. I picked it up from the Honda Dealership on December 23, 2016. I typically drive did 20 to 25 miles a day, back-and-forth to work. As of today August 2020 I still own it. I had the oil dilution problem. At times my oil dipstick would be 1 inch or more above the full mark. I registered a complaint with HONDA-USA, which they gave me a reference number and registered me. I believe when the car was introduced into the United States they already knew about the problem because the car was previously on sale in Asia. Their original solution was the air shutters that are on the bottom of the front grill to make the Engine get hotter faster. It took about 16 months until they had a recall and they addressed my issue which seems to have worked. But I’m thinking about trading it in for a 2021 Honda passport, which just basically has a standard six cylinder non-turbo engine. I am looking for longevity which does not seem to be a strong suit to turbo charged engine.
Overall, Honda liked in ma opinion. Reliability should be the primary goal.
Honda lost me with the small engine, turbocharger, CVT, and start/stop.
Yep, me too. We bought the last one with a conventional k series, automatic, no turbo, no keyless start. Too much crap to maintain if you keep it.
And me. Drive Since 1995!
it's just getting worst and "WORSTER"
Yep, worst of all worlds with CRVs now. If you're in the market for small suv w no cvt, no turbo, and no start stop, better move fast. Only a few reliable offerings out there, which is why I bought my first ever mazda. 2019 CX-5.
I just read an article this week, Honda may be building a Hybrid Accord (aka No Turbo), and NO Transmission!
Double Bonus!
I'd like to see that.
Don't care for the CVT or the 1.5 liter engine. Get rid of 4 cylinder turbo engines completely! What's it going to cost to replace turbo, when it goes out? About $1500-$2000, US? Probably more. Plus mechanic fee! Put a good V6, in it.
Have a 2020 EXL, live in NE Georgia, heated steering wheel NA☹️. No dilution problem, engine heats up fast. Hate the auto engine disabler.
I like the looks of CRV but bec of this oil dilution. I might go with sportage or tucson
Why wouldn’t you go with the Mazda CX-5. Much better vehicle especially for a male. The CRV is a girly-car.
@@davidsparling3505 🙄
@@davidsparling3505 you call a cx5 a man's vehicle? LMFAO 😂
@@BabyShark-cg3sz Compared to the CRV...absolutely, but then you're a "Mopar Man", so you'd probably prefer any piece of crap that Fiat-Chrysler "builds". Those Mopars also have exceptional resale value!
@@davidsparling3505 Chargers have great resale value. Shows you know nothing about what you preach 🤣
You enjoy that Mazda mommy mobile...