OPPENHEIMER: Oscar Winning Editing… Really?
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
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Editor Jennifer Lame, ACE - Oscar winner for Best Editing.
Source: Thank you to the Art of the Cut Podcast for letting me use sound bites from the editor Jennifer Lame, ACE: borisfx.com/blog/aotc/art-of-...
00:00 Intro
01:13 Fully Scripted Scene
04:00 Montage Scene Found in Editing
08:12 Trinity Scene
08:50 Oppenheimer's Love Affair
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Synopsis: In this film breakdown, we dive deep into the intricate world of film editing with a focus on Christopher Nolan's latest cinematic masterpiece. With the expert editing hands of Jennifer Lame, ACE, at the helm, I explore how the compelling narrative of "Oppenheimer" is brought to life through meticulous editing techniques.
Lame is nominated for the Oscar and is the favorite to win, further underlining her significant contribution to the film's success.
Starring Cillian Murphy, Emily Blunt, and Robert Downey Jr., the film's dynamic pacing and dramatic tension are a testament to the power of post-production. Join me as I break down key scenes to understand the editing choices that elevate storytelling, creating an immersive experience for the audience.
This video is not just a behind-the-scenes look; it's an educational journey into the art of film editing. It showcases how Jennifer Lame's work complements Nolan's visionary direction and the stellar performances of the main cast. Whether you're a film enthusiast or an aspiring editor, this video offers invaluable insights into making cinematic magic.
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The Trinity Scene was too big for youtube. Watch the breakdown of the climax in Oppenheimer right here: thisguyedits.com/oppenheimer
I'd really like to see your take on the parallel montagem from Silence of the Lambs.
The thing I love about that behind the head pan, reverse shot, then back to pan to reveal Oppenheimer naked is that I believe most working directors trying to accomplish that shot nowadays would have used VFX to splice the clothed and naked shot together, whereas Nolan clearly has so much respect for analogue editing that he did the classic thing and not the "new" thing. And in a way that makes the reveal all the more surprising. I think without that reverse shot you would almost expect there to be a visual change on the other side of the head. With the reverse shot not only does it improve the pacing of the scene, it also is a surprise to cut back to that angle. Thanks for highlighting that moment!
I've watched this movie 3 times now. Most recently was about a week ago. This video is my first realization that full sequence. I just registered as the "new" thing every time.
Personally I didn't like it, I felt with that reverse shot that they wanted to cover up a mistake in the execution of the panning and kills the momentum of the camera movement. Besides, it is like doing a magic trick and since you fail to hide it with the first tool (the panning) you resort to the cut to be able to complete the trick.
What is analogue editing? You mean film editing vs. electronic editing like on an Avid? Did they print film and cut on a Kem or Moviola? Didn’t they just shoot film and cut on an Avid which would be digital editing?
@@InFramesCinemaI thought this as well and it's the only thing that disappointed me in the film
@@joshingaround2699 Yeah, to me it's a solid film overall.
Love how you break this down into tiny pieces to learn from. Telling a story is so simple but then sometimes people make it so hard.
But its also what you're given...
Lol
One of the excellent things that stands out about the montage sequence, that I only really noticed watching this video, is the initial establishing of forward movement with the first shot (train moving forward on tracks) into each master being a dolly towards the subjects. The momentum of the scenes is felt through retaining that forward movement, it also helps represent the journey Oppenheimer is going on to recruit the scientists (both literally and otherwise). It also speaks to the forward momentum of the science that they are trying to produce, Oppenheimer is literally trying to move the whole of science forward through his actions.
Film editing is always the most controversial of the awards. A lot people say that best editing is the one that cuts the most and usually that is the one that wins. So when do you witness good film editing? You witness it when you say "what an amazing film" Now I'm not saying that is the only case, there are many different editing styles after all. But there is a reason why Best Editing usually goes hand in hand with the best picture as well.
It's quick editing what gets the most awards or action films. Sometimes it's deserved, sometimes not, like last three years.
It actually doesn't go hand in hand with the Best Picture winner that often. It's only happened about 3 times since 2010. More often than not, best editing goes hand in hand with the movie that also wins Best Sound, as visual editing and sound editing are like peas in a pod. Only in a few instances over the past decade has best sound and best editing gone to different films.
Respect for the subtitles man
The wife already knew about the affair - the emotional scene came long before when Kitty confronts him sobbing over his lover's death.This scene is about the public exposure of the affair and her humiliation.
Perfectly edited film. In fact, every detail of storytelling in Oppy is essentially as good as it gets.
You've got to be kidding. It's a classroom example of terrible editing technique, especially as to pacing.
@@focuspulling but it just objectively isn’t though, is it? Whether you liked the film or not, every critic, academic, director, writer, editor, etc that has analysed it or talked about it, has overwhelmingly lauded the editing and every other aspect of the film, particularly the technical storytelling elements. The pacing is of course, resoundingly and undoubtably perfect. So even if a “classroom” were to disagree with its editing choices, I don’t think their criticisms would have much standing or value by comparison. Oppenheimer is perfectly edited in every moment and utilises it’s editing to the immense benefit of the story, plot, themes, and character. It is a dense, creative, detailed, ambitious and meaningful film that couldn’t have worked without all of its towering components, such as it’s editing.
@@focuspullingthe arrogance and ignorance of your comment🤣
@@focuspullingOppenheimer’s editing leans into everything film does best as a medium.
A story about a physicist without exploring physics in detail that evolves into a glorified mishmash of science and politics, which then culminates in a trivial personal dispute and a courtroom drama - Oppenheimer is an H-bomb in itself.
-Gaurav Krishnan
Leaving the theatre after seeing “Oppenheimer,” I was tempted to call it a movie-length Wikipedia article. But, after a look online, I realized I was giving Wikipedia too little credit-or Christopher Nolan, the movie’s writer and director, too much. A simple fact-heavy article about J. Robert Oppenheimer, the physicist whose leadership of the Manhattan Project, during the Second World War, produced the atom bomb, turns out to offer more complexity and more enticing detail than Nolan’s script does. And it has more to say about the movie’s essential themes-the ironies and perils that arise when science, ambition, and political power mix-than the movie itself does. - Richard Brody
''strangely underwhelming biopic'' - Adam Nayman
There is no unanimous praise for this film from critics.
It's always nice to hear about directors being able to diverge from what's written on the page when something is not working - some just can't do that. And I find that montages can sometimes be life-savers when a movie is losing steam, as exemplified here !
This was a great video. I loved how you broke down the scenes by coloring the clips to demonstrate the editing choices. Just watching this one video gave me ideas for editing to create pacing and generate drama. This isn't just the best channel about editing. This is the only channel about editing I learn a lot from.
Thanks so much for your kind words-I'm thrilled that you found the video helpful. Stay tuned for more editing insights!
Happy editing 🎬✂️
Agree i really appreciate your work, Thank you
This was an amazing analysis. We're really trying to figure out how to be more cinematic in our approach to our youtube videos and these types of editing analyses help to allow to see filming differently. Thanks!
So great to watch you break this down! A perfect combo!
this is amazingly interesting, been following your channel for 5 years and it has learned me so much, thank you for your passion in editing
It's also worth noting in the recruitment sequence where it's (mostly) moving inwards, the moment where there's that questioning of whether or not it'll work, the cuts to the reactions are fixed shots which create additional tension, the moment of pause. Loved this video!
@thisguyedits Brilliant Film Editing Analysis, wow, thank you for putting your experience on display and sharing with us the true craft in the edit. I appreciate your attention to this incredible film, thank you for giving me some great insights into the art of editing and how a story is conveyed, or not, by this process which no one seems to put much thought into. Thank you, this video is fantastic.
Fascinating breakdown. I love your analysis of the editing. I also love that you predicted the Oppenheimer win for best editing.
From a noob youtube guy who likes editing, i have to say that your channel is pure gold and really helpful.
This is both very helpful and very interesting to hear some of the stories that go along with film making. tHanks for the video
Thank you for this amazing video!
Love the videos, man. Keep it up!!!
Brilliant Analysis, thank you for the insights on the script and editing here. So much to chew on. Based on how it was written and with minimal shots it actually seems easier to work with in some ways that larger complex shots or action movies. The devil is in the details and the simplicity really helps the story so much. The confidence in the narrative gave the director the freedom to quickly tell the story and not be incumbered by complex shots or so many cameras to deal with in the edit. Either way, editing brought it all together extremely well but you can tell the source material was A+
I really love watching your videos. I learn so much through you actually showing it on screen and explaining your thoughtd while you go over it. Thank you very much!
I would like to know how you actually get the entire editing timeline? Where did you take the material from to go over the edit in your program?
Great analysis here. I'm always curious about schedules in editing for the overall process when it comes to a Nolan film. I keep thinking about Tenet (also Jennifer Lame), and how most of that work was in the prep for production. Only after you get everyone on the same page can you be so swift in prod and post. I dream of having that kind of project. I work mostly in marketing these days (video game trailers), so what I do isn't as narrative based, and the prep is almost non-existent. I've been wanting to get back into narrative work and seeing this kind of conversation is always inspiring, because it validates that I can definitely do it. Moreover, your comments about working with people who are excited to make something great, doing what they love, has always been something I seek out. It's those projects that make me want to work those 80 hour weeks with zero regrets, because it's that fun. The most rewarding part for me is seeing it all together at the end.
I love this. I'd love to see Arrival
I'm not sure if you already talked about this film or not but I think the editing in Jordan Peele's Get Out is pretty impressive as well. I'd love to hear your analysis about the scene when the girl's father is first introducing the main character to the house and come into the kitchen. Thank you for a wonderful channel!
I learn so much on your channel !! Thanks
The whole movie felt like a trailer to me.
Agreed. So over edited.
Same here. It was tiring at times. It felt like the first roughcut was 5hrs long and they compressed it into 3hrs..
Yep, I think the editing was one of the weakest parts of the film. So much cutting back and forth 20 times to the same shots rapidly without leaving any time for the viewer to breathe and take anything in.
I said this to my friend on the way out of the theatre. At least the first half felt like being rushed through only fragments of scenes to keep the momentum up, with music swelling always forward into the next thing. Tiring, indeed.
Agree! The constant music was irritating!
Big Nolan fan here. In awe of the experimental, cubist nature of this picture. Multi faceted portrait expressed in confident cuts, like the brush strokes of Picasso. No less than an historical cinematic achievement in my opinion.
Hi Sven, I'd love for you to take a look at End of Watch, specifically the climax when the 2 officers get ambushed in the apartment complex, until just before the funeral. It's still one of my favorite scenes, and I love the integration of body cam footage to make it first person.
Thanks for the fantastic breakdown!
I'm pretty sure that sex scene is gonna become a meme at some point.
very good video thanks for posting!
Love the explanations
I seldom give a like, but I did press the icon for your video. Doing some Resolve editing myself, badly, because it’s difficult! This was a mini education and I thank you for making this analysis.
I went to a QA with Jennifer Lame and she mentioned one of her fave scenes to edit was the Pash sequence with Casey Affleck. Which I thought was interesting because she did the edit on Manchester by the Sea. It was also my favorite scene of the film.
She said that the original scene was longer but they needed to cut it down because of the runtime or something along those lines. I hope that longer cut is released one day.
Casey Affleck was fantastic. You feel the tension in that moment and the soundtrack is echoing distant metal sounds.
Even considering this segment, I don’t think Oppenheimer has a better editing work than Tenet
Bro knew what he was doing with the thumbnail
Great video!
It is a 3 hour long movie that felt short. That is how you know the editing was great.
One of my favourite films of the 21st century, I hope this inspires a whole new generation of film makers
The beauty of Oppenheimer is it felt like a 3hr montage. Kudos to Nolan and Jennifer Lame and Ludwig!
This guy can edit, incredible work!
The green room when they are talking, reminds me of a Garden of Eden. They are innocent until they gain knowledge. What you do with the knowledge, power, peace or pray.
Thank you Very interesting!
This was very interesting and I have a lot of respect for Lame for her undertaking of this massive work. I can't get the thought out of my head though that a lot of scenes and sequences have the pace and timing of trailer house editing. I think a part of this is because the score is playing throughout the majority of the film and it was difficult for me to actually feel immersed in the world. I wonder if Nolan created a more focused story if the film would allow the scenes to breathe a little more, but that's just my preference. Great video though!
Thumbnail OP 😁
3-4 weeks for the editor's first pass is absolutely wild to me
Perfectly edited film.good one
great work
Sooo... I really like Oppenheimer, but probably contrary to most people here, I am not a big fan of editing. For me, it was a bit too fast paced and didn't make me feel immersed into the film. However, there are some good pieces of editing, such as Oppenheimer's love affair, where Oppenheimer is having a hearing and it is revealed that he had a romance. And also, the closing scene, when Oppenheimer was talking with Einstein and after that he was thinking about nuclear massacre. That one was great, even captivating.
Well done Sven. I would like to see DRIVE by Nicolas Winding Refn
great video! is it possible to know how you get what seems to be the original clips from movies with such good quality for these breakdowns?
thank you!
Who’s here after Oppenheimer just won haha
Good editing
Well, I would suggest a look at Barbie next, since those films went head to head right until the Oscars and I would be very interested in your take on it!
Good one
All the movies I have ever saw made me learn that the only movies that catches your interest and holds it for long are those movies which are based on your interests and to which you can relate with the main character.
One of such movies which I can relate with the character is "(500) Days Of Summer". I would really appreciate if you made an analysis of that movie
Wow ! I don't know the rest of you but I've learned great deal from this video about editing.
Baitclick title? Really?
The back if head reveal shot woukdve served better without the reverse in place. Just one long shot that looks like it doesnt have a cut in it but actually does
I'd like you to check out the opening scene / character introduction montage of "the worst person in the world" by Joachim Trier!
well this aged incredibly well
4k likes, love it.
oscars 2024 letsgooo❤
sometimes just having something fun to watch like the last 9 minutes of White Noise [The A&P Scene] had some good edits in it and a lot of creative camera movement - to me the end was better than the whole film but anyway - you asked for suggestions - God Bless
how do you get access to the footage and timeline?
How did he get hold of clips and exported them in premiere pro to dissect for us?
I felt like some of the cuts in the first hour of the film were way too fast .. this movie and The Great Gatsby deserved a "let it breathe" version 30 mins longer
I think that was deliberate. Because if you recall, the movie had a sense of urgency because he had a solve, get the test done, as fast as he could. The bomb was ticking. No pun intended
I am a big Nolan fan. But he will always be a “blockbuster” filmmaker who can never let the audience be bored for more than one second. His editing needs to always be moving, music needs to always be blaring, sound mix needs to be BOOMING, so much that the dialogue can hardly be heard. And every actor needs to be a famous movie star.
Even when he does his more “Oscar bait” movies like Openheimer & Dunkirk he shows his hand even more.
I could not agree with you more. The drowning of dialogue with continuous music and sound in this film was intolerable.
I can honestly hear the dialogue in the majority of his films just fine actually.
Please do the Roadhouse Movie Fight Scene with Jake & Connor
Which application is he using to automatically detect and cut scenes?
Didn’t catch that Groves tells Oppie he can tell them as much as he likes until he feels my boots on his balls. Then Oppie crosses his legs when the scientist asks why they need him.
Also the movie has multiple climaxes but if there’s a singular one it is the speech he gives after the test.
Oppenheimer is a great movie that deserves all the awards it receives... and I didn't like it. This is what we must grow up to understand: you don't have to like a great movie or book or painting in order for it to be great. Regardless, if there was nobody who liked this movie and it completely flopped at the box office it would still be great because true greatness is not subjective. It cannot be. Simply because art deals with beauty and true beauty is a division of function which drives itself from truth. This suggests that there must be an absolute quality within art that makes it undeniable. Just my thoughts.
They cut out the part where Groves says "As much as you want" and all you hear is "'til you feel my boot on your balls" which makes the line make less sense than it should.
Kitty already knew about the affair, she was shocked because it wasn’t public knowledge until then and basically had to relive it. Sorry, just wanted to point it out, but I really enjoyed your breakdown of it. I’ve watched this film way more than I want to admit, lmao.
I love the in depth analysis. But I am also quiet irritated by the fact that even after doing such an in depth analysis some scene context is lost. Kitty didn't learn from his affair in room 22, she knew it already, like they literally say afterwards. In that sense while I feel the conclusions to the editing might be the same, the actual idea is to show how you are forced to expose private things to completely foreign people and what it does to you. I mean another recent movie anatomy of a fall is basically just this :)
Also regarding that reveal shot of him being naked, I am kinda disappointed that it wasn't a smooth reveal and had to cut to just Jason Clarke and back again. The same shot Nolan did already in Inception and there it was seamless (Tom Hardy changing from peter browning to himself again with cillian in the front).
Can you do any scene from Social Network. When he creates facesmash
I can barely understand you in the voice over part and the normal part was way too quiet. Please fix the audio next time.
No spoilers!
Being clearly the muppet here, but how did you get the film into editing? Would you like to get permission or is this from downloading the film and then uploading it to editing software? this is really awesome stuff btw. I want to learn film editing.
I think it’s a well-edited film if you’re willing to separate the editing from the screenplay - the technical feat is fairly undeniable. But I think the screenplay being as dense as it is, and so unwilling to let ideas play out in full, it hampers the editing. Only in the Trinity sequence does the Lame get to actually work the magic of time and sequencing.
Great analysis!
Can you cut that montage scene so it's exactly as it is in the script? That would be fascinating to watch!
Where do you get the editing timeline from? Or are you adding cuts based on where the shot changes?
Da Vinci and many other softwares have scene cut detection and can separate clips for you
@@GrantGiszewski Ahhh okay. I never tried it. Alright thanks! Btw awesome video
I don't love Jennifer Lame's editing style, but Oppenheimer was a huge work, good for her
How do you get the actual files of the films? Like, the file you have imported in the timeline?
It seems he just put in the whole film as one file and Resolve analyzed all the ccuts in the movie as yo can see at 1:15
@@matteocrm Right, right I get that but the actual file itself of the film - where'd that come from? And how do I do get files for films I wan't to study?
@@PursuitsHouseOfPost Yeah I'm not sure there's a legal way to get them 😅. Maybe the editor gave him the file? Not sure
Mmmmm hmmm. Leaning towards the "not exactly legal" way but if using for study it shouldn't be a huge deal. Maybe someone else will chime in w an answer on getting files like this. Thank you, sir @@matteocrm
RUclips didn't recommend your videos to me in a while. You switched to Resolve from Final cut X?
the video was actually cut in Final Cut, but I use Resolve to analyze films and it looks like I'll be cutting an upcoming feature in Resolve as well.
Genuine question, what’s the minimum Ram that’s needed to edit the whole movie?
Definitely not 8 GB. Besides, probably lots of Terabytes of storage & proxies for smoother editing.
What do you think about that horrid rack focus of RDJ's reveal?
How imax film edit digitally
What software did she used?
Almost all movies are edited with Avid media composer, he's using Davinci Resolve in this video.
Not a fan of the film or its editing, however thanks for sharing and breaking it down to its building blocks
Hello sven
Greetings from India I have a suggestion for an Indian film called jawan please decode it
The Oscars are a popularity contest above anything else. How often do they give it to someone who they think that missed out earlier in their career? Academy members don’t always see all the movies they vote for. I know this for a fact.
yes and so glad they didnt give it to an art film that no one watched.
So Jennifer is not Lame anymore?🙂
The first half of the film is in complete rush, we didnt have the time to connect to the core emotion of the film, the love affair between jean and Oppenheimer. They introduced to each other, they love each other, she died, he cried. Thats it. If the edit gives a little time for audience to breathe and understand the chars. We may feel the same heart break as Oppenheimer when jean died. That emotion enhances the guilt feeling of Oppenheimer through out the film. But the 2nd half is edited well.
which software?
Not 'really', 'literally'
It’s edited like a 3 hour trailer
I gotta be honest with you, I did not like the editing in this film. I'm an editor myself, but I dont typically find myself noticing the cuts when I'm watching films. That's kind of the point of good editing, is to be invisible. But within a minute of this movie starting I distinctly remember thinking "This is cutting way too fast, I wish it would slow down". As the film gets into the second act I started to keep pace with it, but man those first 20 minutes were jarring for me. I started to time shot lengths in my head, and pretty much every cut was under 5 seconds. I loved the movie, and it certainly is an accomplishment to cut all that footage down to 3 hours, but I found the editing choices at times to be downright distracting.
CGI is the Atomic Bomb of cinema.