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Thanks!
Many thanks to you, M C! Hope the video helped.
Thanks for the high score in your evaluation. Get well soon. 💪
Thanks, Marcus. I'll keep you up to speed and once I'm swinging again, I'll sure I'll be hitting 400 yard drives.
@@GolfTestDummy I know you will. 😁
Marcus imo, your method is by far the best on this list, I have tried them all over the years, but The Circle of Speed is the easiest and most consistent way to hit it flush every time, and the extra distance is just fantastic!
Thank you so much, you've made golf fun for me again.
Thank you Shaun. 🙏@@shaunjayes8842
Speaking of distance with what Marcus Edblad teaches. One thing he said has helped my swing maybe more than any single thought. To make the trail hand overtake the lead hand. For years I have had trouble hitting through the ball. Seems like such a simple thing but for me it was troublesome. Marcus basically remade my golf swing. At 72 i have regained all the power I need (at least from the senior tees I now play from). Marcus Edblad is a great instructor.
I agree 100%.
I've tried all these swing method and Marcus' is by far the best, for me.
Initially, my biggest problem was just trusting that the ball wouldn't go flying straight into the trees on the right.
The release is crucial for this, but it's so easy to learn, and I still can't believe the extra distance I'm getting.
What you need to do is use the swing that doesn’t hurt your body. My left knee is screwed so i use the Marcus Edblad method and try to stay on my trail leg, still single figures at 63.
@GolfTestDummy You left out Shawn Clement's 10, which would move his method from second equal lowest score of 67... to TOP score of 77 ! Thanks for your channel and hope you finally sorted your pinched nerve.
Edit: Just scrolled to the bottom of the comments and see others have also spotted this: think you should add a correction in all fairness to Shawn.
Get well soon. I’m a student of graves golf & Todd & tim are really on to something. Consistency, less wear & tear on the body & absolutely best support-membership, online coaching , schools , training aids.
Thank you sir! And I agree. Great content and insights. I've watched a ton of Todd's videos.
Hi Chad, I am a senior golfer who has followed your channel for the last 4 years. I really appreciate all the time and effort you have put out on helping everyone become better golfers. I always look forward to seeing your new video every week. I have tried every one of the swings you have evaluated. Searching for that magic swing that works for you is a lifelong challenge. I actually enjoy trying new swings. I hope you get better physically soon. You are my go to golf channel on You Tube and I hope to see you back in acton soon.
Gary Chunn
Orlando
This warms the heart, Gary. Thanks for that.
How your channel doesn’t have 100,000 followers is beyond me! Great content and informative videos..love your channel, very unique perspectives on the golf swing. Cheers from a subscriber in Nova Scotia…MikeR.
Thanks so much, Mike. Very much appreciated. RUclips is like a lotto ticket. Odds are, you aren't going to have the winning combo that just happens to get the algorithms' attention. Plus, lots of people tell me I talk too much, with too little "action". So I'm doomed, haha.
Chad, thanks for your hard work and dedication! Heal!! I’ve found that I just try to be fluid and not “hit” AT the ball. I like all the different ways and types of instruction. I’ve tried all the ones that you were going through when you were doing them. It’s all fun! Thanks again!!👍🏽
Thanks for all the experimenting you have done. I tried all those different styles and ended up with a swing containing all the best parts that suit me and my build. I'm 60 yrs old and play off a +2 hcap index
I'd say a plus 2 is fantastic at any age, and I can't classify 60 as old yet, lol.
Outstanding video. Thank you, get well soon!
Over the past five years, I think I have dabbled in all of these methods too, as well as some others. The one that I am sticking with now is Marcus Edblad. I get the purest strikes with his methods. Also, I like having just one main swing thought, which is to start the hands going down first. It does produce a nice draw, with great distance, more often than other methods for me. I really wanted to like Jim V's system, because it is so logical and Jim is so good at explaining and demonstrating it. I just felt like I could not consistently get the distance I want from this swing. Thanks for this video, Chris!
I totally agree with you.
Marcus Edblad has changed my life.😆
The extra distance is such a bonus too.
As a long time subscriber, I just want to say how much I enjoyed this video.
Thanks for taking the time to put this together.
I have also tried every swing method on here, over the past 10 years or so, and for me the Marcus Edblad swing is by far the best.
It's the easiest to learn imo, and from the first couple of shots at the range, that feeling of absolutely flushing it every time, is just so addictive.
The one thing you have to overcome is just trusting you won't hit the ball 45 degrees into the trees.🤣
For distance, consistency and ease, it's way superior to the others, in my humble opinion.
Anyway, thanks for a great channel, I have really enjoyed sharing your journey with you.
Hey, man, thanks for toughing it out to complete this video. Always great content.
Enjoy your channel. This was very informative. Thanks for all the thought you put into this. Hope you get back to feeling better soon.
Thanks a bunch. I'm getting better, but still not fantastic.
Thank you! I’m so sorry that it took a pinched nerve to create this video, but it is the video I have been waiting for! I watch your channel to see which methods would be best for me to try out, and these numbers really help to give me perspective without having to try them all as you did. I had previously settled on trying out stack and tilt or Marcus E. and now feel confident with either choice.
Will also add that I have learned so much about the mechanics of how golf works from all your different videos. Great journey and looking forward to your recovery and continued videos. Thanks!!
I am so grateful for your comments. Thank you!
Thanks for the unique and needed video. I've tried all these techniques with similar results. I know your pain and since my back surgery 5 years ago (no pain now), I've stayed with Moe's swing. Driver distance , iron consistency and short game are great. My index is 8 which is not bad for a 71 yr old. Get well soon. God Bless you.
Many thanks, Brian. That's fantastic to hear, and playing off 8 at any age is awesome. Never forget that.
Wishing you a speedy recovery. Great summation!
Thanks a bunch!
Thank you Chad for all your work. I could see you were in pain and I hope you get well soon. I was doing stack until for about a year it was making good progress but my body was hurting especially my lead elbow. Maybe I was doing it wrong. I went back to the Paul Wilson method and found I did not hurt as much but I have lost some consistency.
Much appreciated, Don. I think anything we do with repetition has the potential to weaken or injure us, but there are certainly methods that are less likely to do so. When you find that way, stick with it, and you'll be better for it I believe
Top 2, at opposite ends of the spectrum, I have done both, successful with both!
Great video. I have tried a few of these myself. So far I have settled with the Moe norman old man swing with a bit less side tilt which make sit easier. I am keen to check out Marcus Edblad as that one is new to me.
Marcus teaches very well!
G'day from Australia and wow, really interesting...I recently changed from a Moe Norman swing to the Markus Edblad way of hitting balls...late starter (40) and 74 now with the usual ailments of overweight, replaced left hip, right knee, minor heart condition (stent)...thanks for your info.
Very interesting, loved the Moe impression! :) Agree with your conclusions, I'm a bit of a high-handicap golf test dummy myself lol. Love Moe and Shawn (both Canucks btw), appreciate your insights! Get better soon!!!
Thanks for the synopsis. I have a personal experience to add. I have been a Moe Norman guy for better part of 20 years. It was the first and only way I have played golf. I was pretty successful getting down to a 7 handicap. However In last couple of seasons I have taken up Venetos swing and am getting incredible results. The impact off the club face is amazing. Admittedly it takes a learning curve to remain still but if you commit to it and pursue it as Jim says it will not let you down. And if you do hit a bad shot you know exactly why. You did not stay still enough. I am 58 years old this year and consistently shoot in the 70s. Hoping to break par this season. Just my take!!
GTD, I admire your objectivity - an asset that most people do not recognize or appreciate these days...! I personally have tried most methods and found that I could play pretty well using any of them. I do believe that based on the persons experience, body type, tendencies, and preference of seeing a shot shape, one of these methods will fit a golfers profile better than others. The key is to choose the one that best fits you and then stay with it. After that you can reinforce that method through repetition and focus on the art of maximizing your particular strengths to play "your" best golf. For instance, work on your bag gapping, choose clubs that fit your game not your ego, and work on the mental side of scoring (like Dr. Izzy) - thx! for what you do!
Much appreciated, Roy, and thanks so much for the input!
Great video mate. get well soon.
Thanks, Mr. K.
Feel better man!
My favorite swing right now is a combination between the Setup4impact/Eureka swing. Love this channel, so fun to mess around and learn all the different methods.
That's probably a pretty great combo!
Which of the two did you find easier to use? And how did you learn setup4impact. RUclips, school, or online?
I messed around with the ulnar deviation and right side bend from Moe and kirk and Todd, but then I messed around with Eureka, just watching vids and trying stuff, one day I combined the two and it felt good. I mean I'm just happy if the ball goes in the air towards the hole @@user-wm2zf8jp3g
Get well soon. One of your best videos
Thanks, Robert!
I know you mentioned trying to learn straight from moe vs someone like Kirk Junge or Todd Graves BUT I recently discovered Kirk after trying JVGA, RSS, and Stack and Tilt and a little bit of Moe Norman and after not having a huge amount of success with any of them have been just trying to work on little tweaks in my natural swing to make it better. I realized that I am swinging pretty close to single plane and just discovered Kirk and his "setup 4 impact" method and it's SO SIMPLE and easy to incorporate! I've only been doing it for about a week and a half but already seeing much better impact position and ball striking. I didn't have to overhaul my entire swing and feels much more natural then trying to swing like Moe. Super excited to see where it takes me the next few months of really working his drills.
All that to say if you like the Moe Norman swing I think that you might like the Kirk Junge method even better if you haven't tried it already. Would love to hear your thoughts on that!
Loved the video, hope you heal up soon and can get back to swinging a club.
Thanks for all that great info, and I love hearing about that success. Setting up for impact as a simple concept in itself is just smart, so to see Kirk Junge incorporating that simple idea in with some Moe Norman stuff just makes sense. Golf instruction has just gotten so far out of control that it's almost insanity.
Rest that nerve brother, sometime giving the body time to heal is the best thing you can do. I myself am also a single plane golfer, was a member of the Graves Golf academy I academy for a year and now take online coaching from Chandler Rusk, this swing is simple and effective, love that people have studied Moe’s swing and offering for generations to come
Will do, thanks. Studying Moe was so much fun. Unreal mind.
Interestingly, I did, and posted here, on the Single Plane when you were doing that. I developed a slice and over the top move. (Certainly not Moe Norman) but found Marcus Edblad. Did that and now have kind of combined parts of both. Moe for irons and Marcus for driver. Many of the others cause me back pain. I saw where someone talks about Joe Dante 4 Magic Moves. That worked great for me if I only wanted to play golf once a month and recuperate the other 3 weeks. Any lateral hip shift hurts my back. The Eureka Golf Swing by Steve Johnson is also pretty good. Hope you get well soon.
Great feedback, and thanks a bunch, Rick. You kind of touched on some of why I gave the scores I did. Some fairly simple concepts, but not foolproof.
Been bingeing on your videos for the past month - enjoyed them all, but imo this episode is the most valuable of all! Here is where you compare and contrast all you previously covered and rate each on according to categories, in an honest, authentic way. Great stuff - thanks!
And then in one of your replies you said something that seems out of the blue::
"Truth is, what I've been finding lately lines up much more with Square to Square by Sam Goulden.
What? Can you explain this and tell us why? (I know you can't demo until you get well - but I'd (maybe others too) would be interested to know why you say this.
Thanks a bunch, and I'll try and answer as best I can. I've watched Sam Goulden off and on for a few years now, but I never formally reviewed his approach. After the Golftec series, trying to make it my own and simplify, I distilled my swing down to just a few "fundamentals", and I'm getting consistent, powerful, great shots. Or, at least I was before this mess I'm now with the pain. Those fundamentals line up a lot with Sam's S2S teachings, just by coincidence. Clubface awareness and always trying to keep the face looking at the ball, smaller swings, staying connected, setting up for impact, etc.
Nice summary. I am missing the Manuel de la Torre idea though.
This is a brilliant honest review...and mirrors what I saw....I was shaking my head watching the golf Tec stuff.... wondering what you were doing.....I experienced the same thing with Zen...good and bad days relying on timing....
The only part I would disagree on would be that I think all the swings that make you tilt and turn your spine are more dangerous to your body....I killed my back with stack n Tilt....which was a shame as I hit it great...
I'm now stuck on RSS.... Easy on the body and simple...I've been lucky all the swings I've tried I've had proper instruction...Flowmotion Zen ...stack n tilt ... conventional and RSS...
Great review... really enjoyed this ....for me systems seem to work better ...I like the constraints of set up like this ..move like this...hit it like that....if it goes wrong....rinse and repeat ...no doubts
I'd love to see you try Gravity Golf....and Easiest Swing
And love watching you bust up your swing and start again😂😂
Haha, it's what I've done for almost half a decade now, so I'm no stranger to it. I'm really hoping, even though it might be a complete derailment from what I've always done, to stick with one way, that is basically the same, for a long time.
@@GolfTestDummy having tried a lot of swings myself over the years ...I understand your thoughts....when I new I had to change was ...I was playing a pro am and talking to the pro...he said....
You hit the ball ok
I said
Yes but every swing I have a different thought...and a different result
He said
I've done the same thing for 15 years ...I set up like this....I swing like this and I hit it like that !!!!
I thought I need to be like this and take the constant changing out of my game....he was a certified RSS instructor I knew...and I'm lucky to have the RSS golf academy not to far from where I live....
Im thankful I made the change as even when it's not great it's better than it was with all the doubt....I just think I didn't execute the swing properly....not I need to change it
Good luck...with what will be a new channel....boring one swing Chad.....I don't think so somehow🤣🤣
Just found your channel. Good info. I’m a senior looking for a gentler, less damaging swing. I hope you review Steve Johnson’s Eureka swing sometime in the future. Thanks.
Eureka has elements of Lee Trevino's swing when he was younger
Get well soon brother, don’t rush it
Very much appreciated.
Awesome overview of your experiences so far. Hope you get well soon enough to get on it. I might have a suggestion of a swing you might find interesting to try out. This is the Eureka golf swing that comes from Steve Johnston golf. In short it is based upon an open stance. (Which I love as a concept, but went back and forth.) This might be fun. Get well buddy. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Thanks a ton for the well wishes. I've watched Steve's stuff a lot, and the Eureka setup sort of dovetails with what Marcus teaches. Open up and swing out.
Thanks for the info trying the Marcus edblad got to pick one and stick with it lost my game hope it helps
Marcus is fantastic. No question.
Hey Chad, have you checked out the “Eureka” golf swing by Steve Johnston? It kind of reminds me of Lee Trevino’s swing…aim left, and then “push” it straight. It looks funny, but Lee sure made it work! 👍😏
Hope you get well soon, this is most important!
I’ve followed you for a long time as my quest for golf improvement and consistency has taken a similar route to yours in that I’ve tried most of the methods you’ve evaluated.
Currently I’m into the Paul Wilson method and am finding some good results! I’m interested to know if you’ve had a look at him? By “turning the arms off” and swinging with your lower body, it is gentle on the back and seems to help get a better sequence of swing movement. It’s promising and my handicap is coming down. (It’s been a while!)
So maybe this is it for me… we’ll see!
Tinkering to improve seems to be my thing. Even though my friends think I’m nuts, to me it’s insane just doing the same thing each week hoping for improvement!
Thanks for doing what you do, I hope you’re getting paid well out of it, as it must be time consuming, but know that it is encouraging for many!❤
Haha, the last part made me chuckle. There's so very little money at this point. If I was doing it for the money, it would never be close to worth it up until now, and likely for the next few years. I have seen a ton of Paul's stuff and I've tried it informally off camera. I may visit it formally one day.
I have tried most of the methods mentioned here but Marcus Edblad is the best for me in all the other methods I pulled left it plagued me but with his method I hit draws or at worst a slight push also since I adopted his teachings my short game has also improved :)
Great video, much appreciated.
Where does your ‘swing the club head in a circle with no technical thoughts’ method fit into your analysis of the various methods?
Of the swings I've done formal reviews on, which is what this list is, I think Zen Golf, Marcus Edblad, and Shawn Clement have elements of that involved.
Hi chad have you tried the eureka golf swing I think you would find it easy to master why not have a look. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Thanks Colin
Great idea and recap, Thanks. I totally disagree classifying Golftec as stand rotational golf instruction. If anything its “stack and Tilt” no ?
I asked that very question on day 1, haha. When I watch most Golftec videos, it's SNT to my eye. However, I learned that it depends on the location and the coach. The other location not too far from me, the GM teaches SNT by the book. This location I went to did not.
I have always tried different swings due to my Must have ten finger grip( damaged nerve in L hand thumb and index finger) and my back condition.
I've tried all those on the list.
My natural swing is good, I'm a long hitter, for my age(64), can hit my 6i 175+ m. ( infact, I found a Cobra XL 5i on the course,broken shaft. took it home got a good shaft on it and Today it got me 208m. it's a game improvement so it's further than my Z785 5i=190+)
My swings biggest issue is not always getting my hands at the ball before or equal to by chest turning towards the flag. that's my back.
Hands first, straight/draw. chest first, push/fade.
I found the closest to mine and the best to repeat with out forcing the swing in general is Marcus, as i have to stand more upright.
Tried Moe but just end up slapping it. first 5 swing are magical, long and straight, but again, back is the culprit, can't lean into the ball. feel like I'm fishing for it and then I shank.
tried Jim, again great swing . but I had trouble keeping still Back swing was to stiff in the end. Also had problems with What was a 45 angle.
Like wisdom too use his before my issues.
Sounds like we've had similar experiments, and I hear that from quite a few subscribers. Pretty amazing.
I’ve been following for years, just caught up on the golf tec series. I bet if you took your new shorter back swing, tilted your big PVC plane by like 20 degrees and did the Jim Venetos it could all come together.
Feel better soon!
Thanks, Evin! The support is much appreciated.
That was really cool! You’re the only one I’ve ever seen that has tried all of these different methods and shared it with the audience. I almost feel like you could write a book about it. Probably sell like hotcakes
Haha, not a bad idea really. I've thought about things like that, so maybe at some point.
Very telling, the method to become elite is the same method that has so many obstacles. I played my best golf being taught by one of the very few “square to square” teachers, and have had my most recent success focusing only on teachers that “speak” to me and my mind set. There are more than a few ways to get to a goal, find something that works for you and stick with it.
That's a fantastic thought. The elite way has more obstacles. Very smart.
have you treid DDPYoga for yor pinched nerve, which judging by your movement is in your lower back. I had a severely pinched sciatic nerve and needed a walking stick to get out of a chair and to move around, and started to do the DDPYoga Rebuild Chair to Standing program and within 3 weeks the nerve had been completely released. I've been doing DDPYoga now for 10 months and haven't had any further issues with my sciatic nerve. In fact at the age of 73 my flexibility now is better than when I was 40. Just letting you knopw there is a means to get past this.
I tried Gary Edwins swing and had lesson - 5/10. I was doing what they asked, but still the contact wasn't great and the coaches become confusing.
Moe Norman - 6/10 I think you can get by on this swing, but it feel awkward.
Stack and Tilt - 6.5. Again you can get by on this method. I had some great European coaching. But there are limitations on stack and tilt. Couldn't get the compression and contact solid each time.
I would like you to overview the over the top swing system. Also Dan Alton golf. Thnaks
That would be interesting for sure. Seems like there are some pretty heated arguments over this one.
Thanks for the summation! You might try ART for your shoulder. I'm a retired College and Olympic Swimming Coach and have seen lots of shoulder problems. Active Release Therapy has saved a lot of people from surgery. Best wishes to you and your family!
Thanks for the advice, but I'm not familiar with it. I'll look it up.
When you get a chance read Joe Dante's book, the grip change (Weaker) and the right wrist break has really helped me stay on plane and stop crossing over the line at the top. Get well soon Buddy
Thanks a bunch, Mitch! Doing my best.
.. look up Percy Boomer’s book, very interesting
What about the VLS system? Todd Kolb teaches something I kind of created on my own, then discovered his system, which is more complete than what I was doing.
I have left the rabbit hole of trying new swing styles. I build my swing up from impact and brushing grass in front of ball, and from there I add a backswing short enough to maintain that skill and long enough to give me standard lengths with my shots to play normal club tees.
It’s a compact and very repeatable setup and swing with lots of green hits.
Credit to Adam young at sweetspot podcast
That's another golf soul saved then, haha. Great to hear.
@@GolfTestDummy yes. But I’ve practiced a lot. During off season… but it’s interesting how short backswing one need if you hit the ball pure. I’m not a long hitter, but i7 goes 160 yards and that’s enough for me to shot in the high 70s
Excellent informative video! Your reasoning is so clear and honest that it is hard to be critical of your ratings. The only problem is that one is tempted to do what you did and try too many swing methods. Your analysis helps us, me in particular, to think about what is needed and stick with a swing philosophy and method that meets those needs. Thanks for the sacrifice you make for us hackers. There is another method I would love someone to review. It is Robert Johansson's, His system sounds weird and different. I have not tried it at all but might. I hope your pinched nerve will be better soon so you can contine to educate your RUclips followers.
Thanks a bunch. I've seen quite a few of Robert's videos, and reading some of the comments, they are very polarized. Either they say he's brilliant, or he gets a lot of hate. It must be difficult to be in that position.
Robert is a know it all, and puts down every one else in a very nasty way, he has only one student that he shows over and over and thinks that’s the gold standard. You’ll never see Robert hit a driver or any shot tracer, but he’s the best according to him.
That was interesting. Sorry you're in pain. Speedy recovery. I've tried about 1/3 of those methods myself, and have had the best results with Moe. However, I haven't given Marcus a fair try. May do that this winter.
I saw a pretty big jump in distance.
Interesting..my swing methods have been as follows: Ben Hogan method, Jack Nicklaus method, Bobbly Jones method, Right sided swing, Jim Venatos, Stack/Tilt, Jim Flick/MDLT. Now at age 68, I have found great consistency with the Jim Flick/MDLT method. So easy on the body, immediate effectiveness, nothing to learn, no position bs. Your left arm is a lever, Iight grip, swing the club over your right shoulder and swing it back to the target.
Hey thanks Chad for your input , do you know where Marcus Edblad s basic swing input is in, is it just you tube or has it got an online school that he does ?
Hi, i see the scores for sean clements are all over 7 amd he got a 67.. am i missing something? Great video..
Thanks Chad. Jim Venetos videos are how i found you, and thank you for leading to Marcus Edblad. Get better soon!
Enjoyed the video; but more importantly, wishing you a speedy recovery. Cheers.
Thanks a ton. Trying my best and running out of patience.
Dude- I know pain and I feel for you. One more swing I’m wondering if you’ve looked at- MORAD swing. I find it to be my go to swing. Mac O Grady had it figured out
I've watched some Mac videos and he's a legend. I may get to that one day.
what about clay ballard ??
Great stuff again Chad. I have missed your Zen golf sessions. I'll go back and watch those videos. Incidentally, if you watch the most recent Kirk Junger videos, he has gone away from the Moe Norman theories. Get better soon.
Really? Hmmm, I wonder what he's saying now?
KJ while advocating for single plane makes a point that to do so you don’t have to do what Moe does ie, keeping trail foot down, standing far away from ball
I see that in his swing and he demonstrates it. That's true.
That sucks about the nerve pain. I hope you get better soon. At least it happened at the end of golf season.
Man, I'll tell you what's nuts. The bugs and temperature here have been so bad all Summer. I've been waiting so long for this time of year, so I could play more. And now.... lol.
@@GolfTestDummy No kidding! Maybe you can change your channel to talking about different forms of treatment to fix your nerve pain! "Hi guys, just went to the acupuncture guy..." It actually might do really well since many people are in pain. Lol. Anyway, I hope get better soon.
What happened to Manuel De La Torre/Ernest Jones club focused method you reviewed a few years ago?
Hey man. I’ve been there with the nerve issues. Pain was so bad that I wanted to cut off my arm. My advice: get a steroid shot. As soon as I did I wondered why I waited so long. INSTANT relief.
Now on to the video: you know I was once a follower of JV but I’ve since moved on from it - a bit - and incorporated more of what I feel is my own swing (which is ultimately what we’re all trying to find). I tried Single Plane but it just wasn’t right for me and Marcus’ swing took a LOT of work and I never turned the corner with it. But I have taken some elements of them all and formulated what I believe is a pretty decent swing that I’m becoming more and more consistent with.
I hope you get well soon, man!
That's great to hear, and you're absolutely right. It's about everybody finding what works for them. I can't take the steroid shot, though. I'm already so enormous I can't fit in my clothes.
I enjoy your channel. You should probably check your addition...Shawn Clement should be 77 points, making him the winner! I will watch some Marcus Edblad. The newer videos from Marcus Bell at ZEN, now GRF are better than they used to be. I use mostly single plane (Kirk Junge) with some ideas from Milo Lines. Keep working to improve.!
Haha, yeah, another guy called me out the other day. Unreal! I'm normally good at math.....
Great video. Doesn’t Golf Tec use a lot of Stack n Tilt principles?
Some of them do. I asked the same question. But it's kind of an individual teacher thing across the Golftec facilities.
That's exactly how I would rate them! I play in the seventies with Moe first, Marcus second. I think will have to go more Marcus as I age (61). Perfect summation from my same experience with all these methods
So glad to hear that if I'm crazy, at least I'm not alone! Haha, thanks!
@@GolfTestDummy Dude if you play golf, you be crazy 🤣
Hi Chad,
Loved your review. George Knudson perfected the methodology now promoted by Zen Golf years ago. Check out his video on RUclips and his book, The Natural Golf Swing .He was known as one of the best ball strikers on the Tour in his day.
Get well soon.
Cheers.
Chris
Oh yes, I'm familiar with George. Canadian golf genius. Legendary ball striking.
Have you tried Malaska? There’s also Michael Broderick.
I havent done a formal review, no, but I'm very familiar with both. I've watched quite a bit of them.
Every plan to review the OTT swing from Christo?? I know there some controversy with it but the way he explains OTT and from the top PGA players he shows where there hand path is coming over there backswing plane seems very interesting. Would live a series on that swing.
I dont know on that one. It's a definite possibility, but nothing written in stone as to what I'll do movingbforward.
Great vid Chad, if you took 50 conventional teachers, the amount of them that would contradict each other in all aspects of the swing says all you need to know. My only frustration with JV is I can’t afford his online school and without that it’s very difficult to maintain consistency.
Really hoping and praying you get the right help for your back, you’ve helped a lot of people with your channel, thank you again for your willingness to give your time
So grateful, Jim. Thanks a bunch.
@@GolfTestDummy btw, would really like you to review some Lee Comeaux stuff
I would, if I could understand him, lol.
@@GolfTestDummy me as well, his concepts about the shoulder turn and spine angle are excellent, but deciphering some of his conversation is beyond me, he even said he’d have a hard time learning from him
Don't worry. I had a pinched L6 in April. Agonizing pain and I couldn't walk. Took drugs and rested all good now. Playing best ever golf now. Hang in there😊
That's encouraging to hear because I'm honestly at my wits end with this, and feel like it will never be over.
I was at the point I would have just been happy to use a wheelchair without the pain. But modern medicine will get you fixed!
Saw a few comments and you mention Square to Square with Sam G--- do you plan to review that swing?
Be curious if you will check out Eureka Swing as well.
I'm not really sure. I'm trying to leave my future plans a bit fluid at the moment.
Nerve pain at the end of a Conventional type swing, that's a coincidence!!!!
Get better Chad and rest,
I was surprised there was no real favourite for you as all Unconventional methods did well but it would be nice to find some method without a heavy thought process on the course .Thats why we're enjoying your Channel
Keep up the good work 😊
Thanks, Glenn. Yeah, it might be related in the end. All I know is, it's bad pain and it doesn't seem to end.
Manuel de La Torre had the simplest swing approach to learn and easiest to play on the course.
Moe Norman discovered Manuel’s swing and switched to it in his last years.
Hoped you would say that about conventional golf-tec. Got nothing out of that series. K Junge is very dif than Moe/Graves.
Hey chad, that was an interesting and honest appraisal of all those swing methods. Don’t think the way I was showed to swing a club is the way I swing it today, I do like the stack and tilt method but I wouldn’t say that is 100% what I do. I think we all just need to swing the club in an unrestricted way and let the pieces fall into place.
I think it CAN be that simple.
@@GolfTestDummy It is worth trying. The first round I played with his swing thoughts, I drove a 290 yard par four and made an easy birdie. I don't hit the ball that far, really ever, but you can with this swing. It creates the most clubhead speed for me. Good luck!
Cool stuff, GTD. I would like your opinions on the following for your own swing:
Open stance at address, Open Stance Academy. Seems very beneficial to clearing for 99% of guys - IMHO
Did you do any vids on this? I did not see any.
OTTFI = Over the Top from the Inside - being pushed by My Swing Evolution - big trouble for me.
Any vids on this also?
Average Golfer's Dilemma website - this guy has very interesting videos with out-of-the-box thinking.
Paul Wilson Golf: seems insane not to use hands and arms to me - Marcus told me no way...
Body driven vs arm driven swing? Arms for me.
Left, center, right side pivot?? Left for me - Trevino says stay left against a wall...
Pushing (Marcus) vs pushing (Rotary Golf)
This OTT swing using right side seems powerful but when Christo show vids of his students they are WAY outta posture at impact. Tendency is gonna be to stand up and fall back for me.
Your pain: I'd try dispensary weed, it could work.
Haha, thanks for the comment. I may be able to answer your questions by going over a few things I've either said before, or will be saying in the near future.
Every method I've tried so far, and likely most methods that I would try in the future, can bring a relative level of success because I have a good feel and understanding of how the club and ball need to interact at impact.
After all this time, thought, research, and experimentation, understanding impact is the one true fundamental building block for making almost any method work. I plan on releasing a lot of content on this in 2024.
Hi I suffer with a bulging disc so I know how you are suffering. Can I ask, if you could cherry pick using these methods what would be the best results for say your driver, your woods, irons, wedges, chipping?
Next up Steve Johnston "Eureka (open stance) swing? Or Dan Alton "hands fold point" swing? LOL
Truth is, what I've been finding lately lines up much more with Square to Square by Sam Goulden.
Pinched nerve shoulder/neck? Ice and a TENS unit therapy. Correct pillow at night.
Trying all of that and more. Haha.
Which technique do you choose to play today?
Well, before I went down with this pinched nerve, which was a month ago, I have my own kind of "fundamentals" now. It kind of lines up with Square to Square, but not a perfect match.
Have you ever tried gravity golf
Not formally on this channel, but in the past, before the channel existed. I had the original videos I'd ordered years ago.
Is the JuJu Swing in the plans for a review?
Not at the moment, but you never know.
Dear Chad... I would like to investigate the Moe Norman Single Plane Golf Swing. Who would you recommend Todd or Kirk? Todd's online service is pretty expensive. Just want to make sure I am investing wisely. Hope you feel better soon
That's a tough one. Since I never went through either of their programs or followed their exact approaches, I don't think I'm qualified to say which would be better. They definitely have some differences of opinion. Watch some of their videos, try a few things for yourself from them first, and then you may find you gravitate toward one or the other, and your decision will be made for you.
Get better man! 🙏🙏
Doing my best, but honestly just hoping this isn't the new normal.
Which swing caused the pinched nerve? I want to avoid it firstly.
Haha, it's been a while now, and I'm struggling to remember. I had the pinched nerve in Summer or Fall of 23. I honestly can't remember what I was working on at that time without looking at the videos around that time.
Golftec
Sorry for bringing it up, you were obviously trying to erase it from the memory bank.😎
Sorry to hear about your back issues, I know a little about that too, but it sounds like you had a really nasty one this time. I'm also a man who likes to try out different swing methods. I've recently discovered Marcus Edblad about a month ago and I really like his simple teaching style and focus on the arms and hands in a golf swing. I spent a couple years trying to take the arms out my swing with a body swing so Marcus has helped me to re-discover the importance of my arms which is already paying dividends. The only teacher not on your list who would be on mine is Dr. Kwon...biomechanics professor and golf motion expert. His "reprogramming" videos are much different than anything out there, just him and a volunteer student going through his key points for an hour or two. Hope you'll be feeling better soon. Stay well.
Thanks so much for the well wishes. I've seen a bit of Dr. Kwon, but I haven't watched extensively.
@@GolfTestDummy Yeah Dr. Kwon's vids are definitely on the longer side, 1+ hour range. I'm retired so have the extra time to soak it in lol. Good content for the long winter break from golf in the northeast where I live. It's an interesting science-based approach to the golf swing.
Surprised nothing about Schienblum.
With Todd Graves you can learn the whole swing in about 2-3 videos - it's a specific system. Clement and Marcus E would take dozens of videos and you might still not get it 100%, they teach concepts but not a whole system in my opinion.
That's true, they don't teach methods or systems really.
Channel lock?
Havent formally reviewed that one.
Shawn Clement Score, I find a total score of 77
I know your pain Chad … get it fixed while your young 👍
Just wondering … since Channel Lock didn’t make your cut … why?
Heal up bro …fusion 👌
Doing my best. It's almost unbearable at times. Hopefully I'm not done yet.
@@GolfTestDummy
CL … why ?
I just haven't gotten around to it. Nothing wrong with it, and I've tried it off camera, but there's always been something to do and haven't had the time.
So, I guess the question is, what is next for you and your platform? I really enjoyed watching your journey and had seen many if not all of the systems you presented. Kind of an Edblad acolyte myself. Have you checked out Craig Hanson WorldClassGolf? Not so much a system as he points out some real nuance stuff. Erndog Golf is doing something similar to you but more only using a teaching coach, mostly conventional. Best of luck on that pinched nerve. No bueno for sure!
Thanks a bunch. I've seen some things from both of those channels. I'm not sure what's next, but for the immediate future, I think my goal is to simply be able to swing a club again, haha.