Chad, you are on the way to something realy good. That is not bad results, we need an even earlier release to stop that block coming to often. Great job, Sir
Thanks Marcus, and of course, you're correct. It's a a very tough thing to try and undo what has been drilled into our heads for years. "Hold the lag" may be the most detrimental tip from modern golf instruction. It is a swing killer for so many golfers. I've made videos on it in the past, about how it's an absolute myth.
Hey Dummy,😎 I subscribed, love you breaking down Marcus’s swing. Couple things to try just for giggles, one is a senior flex, I know sounds crazy but Dechambeau uses or has used a ladies flex. I hit bombs with my Project X, 40gram evenflow riptide on a ping G400 set at 8 degrees tee up almost 4 inches. If you can get total loft of about 14 degrees that’s 8 degree driver swinging up 6 degrees your spin drops to 2000 and you gain 50 yards seriously hitting 300 is achievable. Oh also that shaft is all over eBay for cheap, PXG offers it as an option with there new drivers. Sounds nuts but I’ve proven it. It’s just more fun stuff to try, right, hey why not. Keep the vids coming, love your approach. JS
Loving this test Chad, I been working on Marcus’s swing techniques as well and I have been crushing the driver, I’m not drawing it yet, just dead straight drives but the contact has been much better with the earlier release. I guess I have to release even earlier too. Keep it up! P.s. I commend you for wearing that shirt! Brave man!!! 😁
Haha, man I put this shirt on with HOPE, before the game, the results are just miserable. But, they fired the coach, so I'd say that's a step toward progress at least.
Good job Chad! This swing makes sense with the Driver to me. Why would you want to hold your maximum acceleration until after you hit the ball as taught by conventional theory? I had to adjust my stance to be a little more open to get this to work for me.
Chad looks great. I have been working on this swing for a few months. I have never hit it better. A couple of things that has helped me. Slightly less grip pressure with the lead hand vs the rear hand. This helps me have the rear hand overtake the lead hand. Also really use the bending of the rear elbow and the unbending to push the trail hand down and out hard. I am really achieving club head speed now. Hope this helps. Keep it up
I spent most of my work on the wrists and hands as primary movers until I discovered the right arm extending as the primary mover of the hit. Not sure why it took me so long when Marcus consistently stresses it ! Have fun Chad.
Been watching g your series on non- traditional golf swings. I tried them all and have seemed to settle on channel lock. Channel lock seems a combination of Edblad and Venateos (sp). Channel ,o i you have the ball on the back foot and swinging across the path of the ball to create a push drawl (Edblad). You have the closed shoulders of Jim V. Seems the best of both worlds to me.
Very excited to see this series. I really enjoy Edblads channel. No nonsense. Thankful you're condensing all the driver swings & iron swings separately. Thank you Chad. Really looking forward to the rest of these videos
Nice swing Chad 👍 my golf game is improving, thanks to some of these vids. The past 10 rounds I'm finally getting off the tee better and more consistent. I'm actually getting a little draw which even my golf buddies are noticing. Now if I get that freaking putter to improve 🤣
Even though you’re a Panthers fan 😉, you’ve got the best Golf channel out there. Trying these different methods has allowed me figure out what works specifically for me, and it’s really improved my game. Thanks Again!
That might be one of the best compliments, that what I'm doing helps. Thanks for that. And since my wife is from KC, I get to be a Chiefs fan also, so it balances out, haha.
Chad many thanks. Marcus is the swedish long drive champion. He is 52 and hits a driver 300 yards standing on one leg. No joke. He is awesome. Marcus has finally taught me how to hit driver consistently well. I am a 23 handicap, now driving thhe same distance as my 9 handicap buddy. I would add 3 keys from Marcus. Pull away with the trail hand and push forward with it. No pulling in the downswing. Tip 2 is the secret sauce. Feel like your trail hand is faster than your lead hand. This squares up the club head at impact and stops the block. Oh, and feel like you are swinging WAY from the inside , like 30 degrees. You wont, but helps the draw. Check out his Circle of Speed video.
great tips, when you say "feel like your trail hand is faster...." are you stalling your target side hand after impact so the trail takes over (with irons) producing the flip that Marcus talks about? and with the Driver, looking at a target 2 or 3 feet behind the ball imaging hitting that, causing the flip at impact.
Marcus changed my golf game. This was my first year at 40 years old. Im already finding fairways and greens scores have dropped into the mid to low 80s.
I appreciate your perspective on Marcus. I have been looking at his videos and interested in giving them a whirl. I'm looking for a new swing that will work better for me. I've tried pivot style swings which has been rough on my old body, so I am looking forward to giving this a go. Hopefully, I won't have too much trouble with hooking which is my nemesis in all swing types.
Great work as always chad, I have been putting the Marcus Edblad driver swing into my game the last couple rounds, and have hit the longest drives I have ever hit, and all draws, I will be continuing to use his method on all of my clubs, it is a swing I feel you must stick with for a long period of time , to be able to get the full benefits, I very guilty of changing methods too often, this Time I will only be using the Marcus Edblad swing Method. Stick with it yourself for a few months, and I believe you will make massive gains, I look forward to seeing your results over the next few months. I think you may have finally found the perfect method for a lot of Golfer’s, and thankyou Marcus Edblad, loving your Channel.
Golf is a pain in the ass and yet it draws me in time and time again. I must be mad. I've played off and on over the years and I've always been a conventional type of swinger. Now that I've seen all of these different types of swing techniques it has literally scrambled my brain which doesn't take much to do. I'm all for a simplistic swing since I don't have the time to practice as much as I'd like to. This channel gives me options which is cool. Keep it going. I've subscribed to your channel. Hope you're not an avid Panthers fan. Egad!
Haha! Man, you're the third person already to call out the shirt. I put it on and filmed this before the game, and hoped it would bring luck. No such luck. Anyway, I'm with you. As many swings as I review, my brain stays scrambled and I find it very hard to make consistent golf happen. My advice is always to stick to one way, and let me be the Dummy.
Chad, this has nothing to do with the Edblad swing, but does on your comment about the two driver shafts in your vid. About mid-spring, I saw a video about making a poor man's Autoflex shaft. I was swinging a Phenom RIP 60g reg flex shaft in my Taylormade R11 driver. Per the instructions on the video, I found a Riptide Evenflow L flex 40g shaft and put it in my R11. Wasn't expecting anything earth shattering.....BUT...I gained about 15-20 yards on average, but more importantly, I'm SO consistently in the fairway. It's crazy. Driver is now a favorite club.
Oh wow! I've studied and watched the same videos, haha. I would LOVE to make the same shaft. I think I'm going to put the Evenflow L 40g in the Bombtech.
Very interested in this method. I think I will take some of ju-ju swing and adapt it, but I'm still on the hunt! As for Bombtech, they are pretty solid company. I had the entire set at one point, but the irons and wedges just didn't give me the distance i needed as my swing has evolved. I still carry a BT 1 iron which is prob the best club i have ever owned. It is both rescue and clutch club in my bag. Only knock on BT is their shafts are just trash. I had the 1 iron reshafted with an old S flex sasquatch my buddy had lying around. 195-205 all day... Cheers brother and keep up the great work!!
Thanks Chris! I've heard good things about the 1 iron, and yes, the shafts are not really as labeled. Stiff is more like regular. But supposedly, in the 4.0, the shafts are more true to label.
The club and ball speed jump was very good on that last hit. Have you noticed an increase in ball/club speed with this method? My initial testing, pushing with that trail hand, has increased mine. And I think the Panthers tee may have given you some bad luck.
Haha, yeah, I put it on before the game.... ugh. As far as club, ball, and smash, it's tough with the R10, because sometimes the numbers come out off. Ball speed might say 87, with a smash of 1.6, which isn't possible. Or, I'll have 98 mph BALL speed, and 140 mph CLUB speed, haha. Which again, is impossible.
Your recommendation the other day on slowing the lead hand down for me was a huge help, I almost feel like I am leveraging the trail hand off the lead hand now. Still blocking my irons so not there yet but the feel is what I think I needed to understand it.
@@GolfTestDummy Ok, so I watched the response video from Marcus and I am way off I think on the trail hand passing the lead hand. What he is demonstrating there is not what I feel like I am doing. Going to have to get back to the drawing board on this.
OK went and hit balls again, started off pushing everything right. So I started turning back normal but never really intentionally turning forward. I just pushed my trail hand down and let it turn me ( this was difficult for me) this resulted in very solid contact and straight to draw ball flight. Not more distance but the wind was blowing so hard I cant be certain about that it was directly into me. Also went much earlier with the driver an did the same. Still struggling with getting this right but seeing some progress. Just updating what I felt. I also caught myself not swinging my hands and arms fast, almost like I would realize I didn't go fast for some reason. Just my .02
Chad The early release of the driver is the nucleus of a good driver swing when the ball is played further back in your stance The feeling to actually let that driver release behind you is… like a flick of the release of a Zebco 202 fishing reel….it’s easy but scary at the same … but when one takes the time to think of what’s going on in this motion with the body naturally turning into a position that leads the now squared up position of the drivers club face looking at the ball and the results that happens is good Slow your tempo down and let that all that happen and then pick up if needed faster tempo It’s a great feeling to start a hole off with a playable 2nd shot from a descent drive into the hole or a happy place Your channel and what you’ve done with it …has showed the many …of the few that tries to share there beliefs in a unnatural way to move a ball and as we all know…dat ain’t easy but there’s a few ways to do just that Your ability to switch back and forth from all those swing thoughts and not end up in a straight jack is outstanding and amazing You keep doing what your doing and we all will keep doing what we all do and that’s watch and learn from the Golf Test Dummy
Many thanks BG! The Zebco analogy hits home. The swing happening behind or beside of you is a tough concept for a lot of us to grasp, but it's a game changer. BTW, do you think the Panthers will make a play for the Great Sean Payton?
I think I just need to stick with my Manuel de la Torre swing the club technique...it's definitely calmed my brain down and simplified things...until tomorrow when I go to the course and start experimenting with this 🤣
A few thoughts... I, too, am trying to implement the Marcus Edblad swing method in my game because I am a bad slicer of the driver. First, I've noticed that in Marcus' videos, he seems to stand further away from the ball with driver, which he says forces him to come more from the inside. I've tried to move away from the ball and it's a tough transition to make mentally. Though you have the ball a further back, you're still in a pretty standard distance from the ball. Second, I have noticed that with my irons, I'm finding the technique a little easier and I am seeing high draws that go further, so I think there is something to it, even though I struggle with the driver still. Finally, when I started playing golf, I was on a pretty tight budget and bought the Bombtech wedge set, which I thought played great- for the price, there's no beating them. Let the haters hate, but it seems they're a company that can make decent clubs at a good price.
@@GolfTestDummy Yes, the driver in particular is a VERY odd feel. Releasing so early and hitting the low spot so far back is very different from everything I've been taught, but since what I've been taught has lead to a slice and lots of drives OB, different is good. I'm hoping with time and practice, the driver will some day be a useful club.
Great video Chad. Keep them coming. Also I have been trying Marcus swing on the range and course it works great with the irons, but I’m having trouble with the driver as well. Same issue your having I keep blocking it.
Excellent video sir. These are the same issues I am having, except for the pull hook which still haunts me. I have always been too quick to square or in this case close the club face so over the top for me does not fade its a pull hook. My Irons are still the bigger struggle with Marcus' swing. I am really struggling with consistency and not gaining any distance so far. As you know this is a long time for me to stick with one thing! LOL I am going to keep trying it because my driver has historically been the biggest struggle, and though I am not hitting it like he does, occasionally I am pounding one, but I am gaining confidence with it. The Irons still not so much. Thanks for this video
@@GolfTestDummy Almost walked away today. Terrible round, nothing working, so frustrated. Not an issue with Marcus swing, an issue with my inability to to get it put together. Gotta tear it apart and start over with a specific practice strategy and plan and log my work and progress. Something has to change man, I want to play good golf SOOOOO BAD. just old man dreams maybe, but I am going to give it everything I can.
@@GolfTestDummy I think I am starting to wear on Marcus nerves a bit too. I ask too many questions trying to get it figured out and still I am a dumpster fire. Tough time right now for my game.
You should be able to achieve more carry. Without a DTL or face on angle it is hard to throughly analyze. One thing I did notice is the wrist throw from the top. Marcus explained that from the top the club must be swung down then out. He is 100% right. The unhinging of the wrist from the top in no way achieves this. An increase of the angle between the upper arm and the forearm does. This down move makes swinging from the inside very easy. When combined with recentering it guarantees an inside approach. The wrist action is delivered with the rotation of the body only after the dropping of the clubshaft. Think about it Chad. Take the club to the top and hold it then ask yourself how can I get this shaft and club to lower ? The answer is in the trail arm and not in the wrist. The action of the trail arm and wrist must be separated and used at different times. That is a womans shaft in that driver Chad. Thanks Chad
Haha, you know, that was allllll insightful, but I was waiting for it. After you opened with "You should be able to achieve more carry", I was waiting for you to tell me "but you can't do it with a blue and white golf bag". Thanks Mike!
Chad - once again, great video. Hurting because I’m starting to build out my golf simulator and I JUST bought a new Optima projector that was a “little” more than the BenQ you proposed. If you felt someone was yelling at you all the way from the DMW, it was me. LOL What does Marcus say about beginner golfers? Then again, I guess I can look it up. Been following Shawn Clement for years and now that I’ll have the opportunity to work consistently in the garage, any insight will be helpful.
what elevation is your launch monitor set at? I have similar swing and ball speed numbers as you have in this video, but my distances are considerably less. I'm in Florida a 50' above sea level and measured outdoors with a PRGR, a TopTracer driving range and on course GPS.
Really enjoy your videos. Are you still using the baseball grip for your driver? And why? Are both your hand baseball grip style or only right right hand? Thanks so much
Much appreciated, Eliot! I switched to 10 finger as an experiment back when I did my single plane swing review. I have pains in my hands and wrists really bad, and after a short time with the grip change, I just found much less pain, and it actually produced more consistent results for me.
Hi Chad. I have much respect for your channel, and I also think Marcus is a gangster :) lol Having said that, what was it that made you move on from his concepts to some extent? Perhaps, it would be the end of your mission of the channel, so I get that :) Just curious. I have only been the the range with Marcus' swing, but it has already solved so many issues. Thanks again for you time.
The key to releasing from the top and being able to accelerate the trail hand through impact is to start down right from the top on plane. Without this you will have to stall the progress of the trail hand somewhere in the downswing which is what is happening. When you swung more to right and "blocked" it and had your longest shot you actually swung more in line from the top with where your hands were lined up and thus released through the ball more than the other strikes. If you compare the impacts, you will see that you maintained more trail hand angle through impact in the longer one. On the shorter strikes especially you had dumped a lot of the angle in the trail hand well before impact whereas if you look at Marcus, he has massive retention of that angle and releases it right through impact. Coming from an on plane position right from the top is an essential part of that. Otherwise, you essentially are having to change direction in the downswing to release the club and this forces you to dump some of the angle in the trail wrist. If you experimented with a shorter tighter arm swing you might be able to get in a better position to optimize the use of the trail hand and arm but one thing is for sure if you can't start down on plane or very close to it right from the top, you are going to have a very hard time getting the most out of your driver. I think that you've got 30-50 yards with your driver tied up in just getting that trail wrist coming in to the ball with a stronger angle and being able to fire it through the ball. Cheers.
I think I have additional yardage in there, like you said. In one of Marcus's videos, he was going through feel versus real basically, and how he has the angles at impact, but he doesn't get them by intending to get them. He actually gets them by trying to get rid of them. In a message yesterday, his advice was to try and release even more and sooner to prevent the block and get the draw.
@@GolfTestDummy Yeah, that is why I was speaking in terms of releasing from the top because I totally agree with Marcus about releasing from the top. However, that is dependant on the position of the folded trail arm and cocked trail wrist relative to the plane that the shaft starts down on from the top. If the shaft is not on plane from the top you cannot keep the folded trail arm and wrist behind the strike starting fron the top. So you can release right from the top and the angles will still naturally be retained and you can drive them right through the strike AS LONG AS the trail arm and wrist are releasing on plane from the top. With your driver especially you are quite off plane from the top and that means that your trail arm and wrist cannot build up speed and channel it right through the ball starting from the top. You can do it somewhat more when you release further out to right field because that motion puts you closer to the plane that you actually start down on so you can drive the trail hand through the ball a little more but the arm motion ends up being quite a bit from the inside so I think that you will have trouble turning the ball over. Additionally, you still have a limited potential with the plane that you are starting down on to exploit the trail hand and arm. That is why I think that you should try shorter more compact swings and work on starting down on the same plane that you finish the backswing on and with that also work on releasing from the top which will allow you to retain the angle. Essentially what we are talking about here is a longer (in length) on plane release of the trail arm and wrist which causes that release to happen down and right through the ball and past the ball. The trail arm and wrist can make a longer release BECAUSE they are releasing on plane. Being on plane allows the longer release of the trail apparatus to happen. This is because when the release from the top happens on plane, your hands and arms can sense that the approach into the ball is appropriate for a good strike without changing any angles and so they allow you to continue to build up speed and momentum in the club by naturally and automatically holding the angles until you absolutely have to let them go. If you look at Marcus' backswing he actually has a very compact arm motion and at the end of the backswing he finishes by driving his trail elbow back behind him further when his arm swing and wrist cock are essentially already finsihed which gives more width to his turn and gives his trail arm more room to release on plane from the top You are kind of doing the opposite. Your trail elbow moves back at the top but your arms are still also moving so you are trying to get more width at the top which is good but the extra arm motion is taking the club well off plane and there is actually less room for the trail arm to release on plane instead of more. So you need to shorten and tighten your arm motion (trail especially) at the top in order to have an opportunity to start down on plane and get maximum power out of the trail arm and wrist. This is VERY MUCH a part of what Marcus is doing. It is also why you can't find a tour pro that isn't very close to the address shaft plane starting down from the top, because otherwise the power potential that is lost is huge and you can't get it back later in the downswing. My research has shown me that in the best swings, the motions in the last quarter of the backswing are extremely important to the development of accurate power. What the arms and wrist do relative to the turn that the body has made in that part of the swing is monumentally important. It is like the wind up of a pitcher; if his pitching arm does not move properly at the top of his wind up, he will lose a massive amount of accurate speed. The elbow, wrist and hand of that pitcher all have to move in a precise way to accomplish that. If you look at Marcus' trail arm and wrist motion starting from address, it is very much like a big league pitcher's wind up and release and that is the secret to his power. Cheers.
@@GolfTestDummy Did you understand the last post? Do you want me to elaborate on or explain anything that I wrote? I'd be happy to if you so wish? In the meantime, here is another analogy. Being off plane starting down is like a boxer attempting to really land a hard punch on the opponent's jaw, so he must drive through with his punch. However, right as he starts to deliver it his opponent moves his head way off the line of the intended punch. Now he is like someone starting down off plane, he can still possibly deliver a pretty solid punch by changing his direction of force, but he can't deliver the punch with the same speed and power that he could have because he started on the wrong arc for maximum power and must accept a weaker blow. Cheers.
I understand most of it yes, and the analogy with the boxer makes sense. I'm just so busy lately that trying to get through everyone's comments and respond accordingly is becoming more difficult. Anytime I've tried to shorten my swing, by simply trying to shorten it as an intent, it never takes root. What I'm working on is trying to make my "circle" back behind me now, starting more from the top of the backswing, in the beginning, by letting my wrist turn the club out shallower. Aside from that, reinventing the wheel at this point is just something I don't have time for.
@@GolfTestDummy Yeah, I have noticed that you work really hard with the comments. Kudos for that. I'm sure with a little more success comes even more demands in that regard. Sorry to add to the burden but I'm hoping it will help with the swing journey. As far as trying to shallow it out coming down, I was going to suggest something like that as well. Just remember that the trail arm arm will tend to travel in the same front to back depth coming down as it went back on. So if you want a longer length of release of the trail hand (which is what you need) in front of you, through impact, you are going to need a wider motion in front of you in the backswing. This is something you can see in Marcus' backswing, it is compact but he has a lot of width in front of him taking the club back. It's a sharp wrist cock but a wide arm motion in front of him. No need to reply; as though you were thinking of it 🙂Cheers.
Awesome Sir! As always, I appreciate how much you bring us into your thought process(es) on the matter. What are you trying to accomplish with your driver using this method? Distance? Solid contact? Consistency? Shot shape? Accuracy? I know in many ways they're all related but they're also separate. As Accuracy may not involve Distance and Shot Shape may lessen Consistency, etc. Solid contact is always desirable UNLESS that ball is headed OB or into some other trouble, right? 😄 As a whole, what would you want the most out your Drives?
If I used your list above, and rearranged them by priority to what I'm hoping for, it would look like this. Consistency Distance Solid contact Accuracy Shot shape
@@GolfTestDummy Solid list Sir! I hope your efforts are fruitful and some genuine consistency comes from it. When it comes to driver and I think of what it takes to generate Club Head Speed, I believe that to mostly be in the Hands. As that's the final pivot point I think of my Body and Shoulders as the Rolling Start and then let my Hands be the Nitrous. 😄 I would guess this is often referred to as "Lag" but I prefer to think of more as a "Whip." My thought process is: The Body "Twists, like a Coiled Spring," the Shoulders "Swing, like a Pendulum," and my Hands "Whip...like a whip!" 😄 AsI think of swings I think of the greats of the past, Bobby Jones, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Seve Ballesteros, Moe Norman, etc. Smooth, Fluid, Graceful but Powerful. As I tend to analyze things I do in a kind of reverse manner, the golf swing is no exception. I think that's what I like the most about the game, being able to troubleshoot and see/feel the results. I start with what I want to accomplish and then think about what it'll takes to get there. I've been working on: 1- Keep it Straight. 2- Solid Contact. 3- Consistant Distance by length of Swing. 4- Distance in total. 5- This all leads to Accuracy. The other night I was in the park and hit Three consecutive shots (because that's all the balls I had with me) with my 60° Wedge NINETY YARDS! All Three landed within 12-15 feet from one another and within a few feet of Distance. No this is not average for me and Yes my 60° and I have not gotten along very well in the past. I'm starting to think we're becoming friends. 😁 Amazingly enough I hardly felt like I was swinging but man, everything simply felt so right and each shot looked just as good as the previous one. To tell you the truth, I was in a mild state of Shock. When I checked the yardage and reveled in what I had accomplished, my dog wasn't very excited but I sure as hell was. It's one hell of a benchmark for me but having done it has concreted in my mind what I'm capable of. That's Golf for ya, right?
@@GolfTestDummy That's awesome! 😄 I taught myself the Golf swing back in the 90's by reading books and taking a club while walking my dog and here I am 30 years later at it again. Except with RUclips, a club, and of course my Dog. Today is my Baby-Beast, Junior's, 14th Birthday and we're about to head out for another walk and some more chipping practice. My goal lately has been to get all 20 balls in a row to land where I'm aiming. I've got about 16or17 but there's ALWAYS those few that don't wanna be cool like the other balls.
I like your videos but 240-245 yards carry from a 91 - 94 mph swing? Impossible. 1.51 smash factor? Better trade in that simulator for one that's accurate. Real world you need to hit the sweet spot with 2+ degrees upswing,
Yeah, you can't trust swing speeds. Ball speed is pretty accurate most times. Some of the numbers the sim puts up are not spot on, but tracking my actual distances, with what's on the sim, they are surprisingly close.
Chad, I am still exploring the concept of throwing the club to release the angles. Monte Scheinblum describes a conversation with David Duvall who said that is what he believed in. In addition. Padraig Harrington states when amateurs try to create lag by holding angles that causes flipping. I am still having trouble with the idea of “casting” and making perfect contact. It is a natural thing to want to throw the golf club and we have all been told not to do this. At a beginner level where there is no use of the body maybe that is the reason this would be bad? Or maybe the combination of an over the top move combined with the throwing of the hands becomes the problem?
Well, in my experiences, there's a big difference between casting, over the top, and releasing as soon as you can from the top. In my opinion, you can release it as fast as you want, as long as it's down, and not out and around. Also, even though you're trying to dump those angles, it doesn't actually happen. It's a feel versus real thing.
@@GolfTestDummy Chad, I have to say out of just about everything that I have come across related to the golf swing this is such a big deal. It is worthy of a “Nobel prize “ in golf instruction. In Harvey Pennicks Red Book he mentions to stop casting have the player hit the club with the toe. This leads to believe this issue never had to do with throwing the club. It all had to do with swing path. If your plane you are on plane you don’t need compensations. I wish I understood this stuff when I started 30 years ago.
One other think to add when Hogan said in his book you get a free ride at the beginning of the down, that to me has more to do with the transition. Unless you are extremly strong and fast like a Tony Finau you need a slower transition which would explain the “free ride”. Would you agree with that?
Chad, could you please review CHAGOL GOLF golf swing method which replicates the baseball swing and is very popular with Asian golfers ? The teacher is Charlie. Thanks.
I know itÄs nearly a year too late to comment 🤣 but Marcus is not releasing the club like you do. Marcus is "scooping" you are more or less rolling your hands over, exactly what Marcus mentioned not to do - but if it works, why not 😂
Very true, and I have a video concept I need to film soon. Lag is like a savings account. It's great to create and have, but if you never actually use it, it's pointless.
Agreed, and in my case, I've been able to start zeroing in on that. Driver has the ball more forward, I have some shoulder tilt, and my weight is more toward the trail side.
That's true, but I can't be sure the spin rate on the R10 is accurate. It doesn't measure spin, it just calculates it based on other metrics that it actually does measure.
Chad, you are on the way to something realy good. That is not bad results, we need an even earlier release to stop that block coming to often. Great job, Sir
Thanks Marcus, and of course, you're correct. It's a a very tough thing to try and undo what has been drilled into our heads for years. "Hold the lag" may be the most detrimental tip from modern golf instruction. It is a swing killer for so many golfers. I've made videos on it in the past, about how it's an absolute myth.
Hey Dummy,😎 I subscribed, love you breaking down Marcus’s swing. Couple things to try just for giggles, one is a senior flex, I know sounds crazy but Dechambeau uses or has used a ladies flex. I hit bombs with my Project X, 40gram evenflow riptide on a ping G400 set at 8 degrees tee up almost 4 inches. If you can get total loft of about 14 degrees that’s 8 degree driver swinging up 6 degrees your spin drops to 2000 and you gain 50 yards seriously hitting 300 is achievable. Oh also that shaft is all over eBay for cheap, PXG offers it as an option with there new drivers. Sounds nuts but I’ve proven it. It’s just more fun stuff to try, right, hey why not. Keep the vids coming, love your approach. JS
Loving this test Chad, I been working on Marcus’s swing techniques as well and I have been crushing the driver, I’m not drawing it yet, just dead straight drives but the contact has been much better with the earlier release. I guess I have to release even earlier too. Keep it up!
P.s. I commend you for wearing that shirt! Brave man!!! 😁
Haha, man I put this shirt on with HOPE, before the game, the results are just miserable. But, they fired the coach, so I'd say that's a step toward progress at least.
Good job Chad! This swing makes sense with the Driver to me. Why would you want to hold your maximum acceleration until after you hit the ball as taught by conventional theory? I had to adjust my stance to be a little more open to get this to work for me.
Thanks Kym! Yeah, there's a lot of conventional teaching that doesn't add up.
Chad looks great. I have been working on this swing for a few months. I have never hit it better. A couple of things that has helped me. Slightly less grip pressure with the lead hand vs the rear hand. This helps me have the rear hand overtake the lead hand. Also really use the bending of the rear elbow and the unbending to push the trail hand down and out hard. I am really achieving club head speed now. Hope this helps. Keep it up
Definitely, and thanks Rob. Down from the top first, before moving forward, is a huge key.
I spent most of my work on the wrists and hands as primary movers until I discovered the right arm extending as the primary mover of the hit. Not sure why it took me so long when Marcus consistently stresses it ! Have fun Chad.
I like what your doing but I don't think you totally captured Marcus's power circle and ideolog. I look forward to your future videos.
Been watching g your series on non- traditional golf swings. I tried them all and have seemed to settle on channel lock. Channel lock seems a combination of Edblad and Venateos (sp). Channel ,o i you have the ball on the back foot and swinging across the path of the ball to create a push drawl (Edblad). You have the closed shoulders of Jim V. Seems the best of both worlds to me.
Very excited to see this series. I really enjoy Edblads channel. No nonsense. Thankful you're condensing all the driver swings & iron swings separately. Thank you Chad. Really looking forward to the rest of these videos
Much appreciated Jason! More coming.
I’d say you’re leaning back a little too much. Stay a little more square in the back swing would be my recommendation as compared to MEDBLAD
I'm always willing to try things out, so I'll give that a shot and see what happens.
Nice swing Chad 👍 my golf game is improving, thanks to some of these vids. The past 10 rounds I'm finally getting off the tee better and more consistent. I'm actually getting a little draw which even my golf buddies are noticing. Now if I get that freaking putter to improve 🤣
Haha, it will always be something, won't it? Great to hear!
Even though you’re a Panthers fan 😉, you’ve got the best Golf channel out there. Trying these different methods has allowed me figure out what works specifically for me, and it’s really improved my game.
Thanks Again!
That might be one of the best compliments, that what I'm doing helps. Thanks for that. And since my wife is from KC, I get to be a Chiefs fan also, so it balances out, haha.
Chad many thanks. Marcus is the swedish long drive champion. He is 52 and hits a driver 300 yards standing on one leg. No joke. He is awesome. Marcus has finally taught me how to hit driver consistently well. I am a 23 handicap, now driving thhe same distance as my 9 handicap buddy. I would add 3 keys from Marcus. Pull away with the trail hand and push forward with it. No pulling in the downswing. Tip 2 is the secret sauce. Feel like your trail hand is faster than your lead hand. This squares up the club head at impact and stops the block. Oh, and feel like you are swinging WAY from the inside , like 30 degrees. You wont, but helps the draw. Check out his Circle of Speed video.
great tips, when you say "feel like your trail hand is faster...." are you stalling your target side hand after impact so the trail takes over (with irons) producing the flip that Marcus talks about? and with the Driver, looking at a target 2 or 3 feet behind the ball imaging hitting that, causing the flip at impact.
I have, yes. I don't try to STOP it, but just allow it to be passed by the trail hand. Kind of like a car passing another on the outside in a corner.
Marcus changed my golf game. This was my first year at 40 years old. Im already finding fairways and greens scores have dropped into the mid to low 80s.
I appreciate your perspective on Marcus. I have been looking at his videos and interested in giving them a whirl. I'm looking for a new swing that will work better for me. I've tried pivot style swings which has been rough on my old body, so I am looking forward to giving this a go. Hopefully, I won't have too much trouble with hooking which is my nemesis in all swing types.
Best of luck to you. Simple is always the best in the end.
Great work as always chad, I have been putting the Marcus Edblad driver swing into my game the last couple rounds, and have hit the longest drives I have ever hit, and all draws, I will be continuing to use his method on all of my clubs, it is a swing I feel you must stick with for a long period of time , to be able to get the full benefits, I very guilty of changing methods too often, this Time I will only be using the Marcus Edblad swing Method. Stick with it yourself for a few months, and I believe you will make massive gains, I look forward to seeing your results over the next few months. I think you may have finally found the perfect method for a lot of Golfer’s, and thankyou Marcus Edblad, loving your Channel.
Thanks so much Tim. For the foreseeable future at least, I'll be with this one for a while I believe.
It definitely deserves a few months to master, and I feel once you do, and I do also, I think we will both be staying with this method.
Golf is a pain in the ass and yet it draws me in time and time again. I must be mad. I've played off and on over the years and I've always been a conventional type of swinger. Now that I've seen all of these different types of swing techniques it has literally scrambled my brain which doesn't take much to do. I'm all for a simplistic swing since I don't have the time to practice as much as I'd like to. This channel gives me options which is cool. Keep it going. I've subscribed to your channel. Hope you're not an avid Panthers fan. Egad!
Haha! Man, you're the third person already to call out the shirt. I put it on and filmed this before the game, and hoped it would bring luck. No such luck. Anyway, I'm with you. As many swings as I review, my brain stays scrambled and I find it very hard to make consistent golf happen. My advice is always to stick to one way, and let me be the Dummy.
Love the channel, Love the Mccannless sweat shirt in projector promo. Play there often. Keep up the great content.
Thanks, Marcus! That's one of the courses I started on.
Chad, this has nothing to do with the Edblad swing, but does on your comment about the two driver shafts in your vid. About mid-spring, I saw a video about making a poor man's Autoflex shaft. I was swinging a Phenom RIP 60g reg flex shaft in my Taylormade R11 driver. Per the instructions on the video, I found a Riptide Evenflow L flex 40g shaft and put it in my R11. Wasn't expecting anything earth shattering.....BUT...I gained about 15-20 yards on average, but more importantly, I'm SO consistently in the fairway. It's crazy. Driver is now a favorite club.
Oh wow! I've studied and watched the same videos, haha. I would LOVE to make the same shaft. I think I'm going to put the Evenflow L 40g in the Bombtech.
@@GolfTestDummy when you do, let me know how it goes.
Very interested in this method. I think I will take some of ju-ju swing and adapt it, but I'm still on the hunt! As for Bombtech, they are pretty solid company. I had the entire set at one point, but the irons and wedges just didn't give me the distance i needed as my swing has evolved. I still carry a BT 1 iron which is prob the best club i have ever owned. It is both rescue and clutch club in my bag. Only knock on BT is their shafts are just trash. I had the 1 iron reshafted with an old S flex sasquatch my buddy had lying around. 195-205 all day... Cheers brother and keep up the great work!!
Thanks Chris! I've heard good things about the 1 iron, and yes, the shafts are not really as labeled. Stiff is more like regular. But supposedly, in the 4.0, the shafts are more true to label.
The club and ball speed jump was very good on that last hit. Have you noticed an increase in ball/club speed with this method? My initial testing, pushing with that trail hand, has increased mine.
And I think the Panthers tee may have given you some bad luck.
Haha, yeah, I put it on before the game.... ugh. As far as club, ball, and smash, it's tough with the R10, because sometimes the numbers come out off. Ball speed might say 87, with a smash of 1.6, which isn't possible. Or, I'll have 98 mph BALL speed, and 140 mph CLUB speed, haha. Which again, is impossible.
Your recommendation the other day on slowing the lead hand down for me was a huge help, I almost feel like I am leveraging the trail hand off the lead hand now. Still blocking my irons so not there yet but the feel is what I think I needed to understand it.
That's it! The leveraging as you said. 👍🏻
@@GolfTestDummy Ok, so I watched the response video from Marcus and I am way off I think on the trail hand passing the lead hand. What he is demonstrating there is not what I feel like I am doing. Going to have to get back to the drawing board on this.
OK went and hit balls again, started off pushing everything right. So I started turning back normal but never really intentionally turning forward. I just pushed my trail hand down and let it turn me ( this was difficult for me) this resulted in very solid contact and straight to draw ball flight. Not more distance but the wind was blowing so hard I cant be certain about that it was directly into me. Also went much earlier with the driver an did the same. Still struggling with getting this right but seeing some progress. Just updating what I felt. I also caught myself not swinging my hands and arms fast, almost like I would realize I didn't go fast for some reason. Just my .02
Sounds like you're moving in the right direction. I'm walking the path to.
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Check this out, tell me Freddie is not doing exactly what we are talking about here.
Chad
The early release of the driver is the nucleus of a good driver swing when the ball is played further back in your stance
The feeling to actually let that driver release behind you is… like a flick of the release of a Zebco 202 fishing reel….it’s easy but scary at the same … but when one takes the time to think of what’s going on in this motion with the body naturally turning into a position that leads the now squared up position of the drivers club face looking at the ball and the results that happens is good
Slow your tempo down and let that all that happen and then pick up if needed faster tempo
It’s a great feeling to start a hole off with a playable 2nd shot from a descent drive into the hole or a happy place
Your channel and what you’ve done with it …has showed the many …of the few that tries to share there beliefs in a unnatural way to move a ball and as we all know…dat ain’t easy but there’s a few ways to do just that
Your ability to switch back and forth from all those swing thoughts and not end up in a straight jack is outstanding and amazing
You keep doing what your doing and we all will keep doing what we all do and that’s watch and learn from the Golf Test Dummy
Many thanks BG! The Zebco analogy hits home. The swing happening behind or beside of you is a tough concept for a lot of us to grasp, but it's a game changer.
BTW, do you think the Panthers will make a play for the Great Sean Payton?
Love your content and style. Thanks!!
I think I just need to stick with my Manuel de la Torre swing the club technique...it's definitely calmed my brain down and simplified things...until tomorrow when I go to the course and start experimenting with this 🤣
Haha, well, it's hard to go wrong with Manuel. Awesome and a legend.
Pretty good progress for just several swings!
Yep, like I said though, it can be fickle for me at this stage. More time, more work, and maybe it'll stabilize.
A few thoughts... I, too, am trying to implement the Marcus Edblad swing method in my game because I am a bad slicer of the driver. First, I've noticed that in Marcus' videos, he seems to stand further away from the ball with driver, which he says forces him to come more from the inside. I've tried to move away from the ball and it's a tough transition to make mentally. Though you have the ball a further back, you're still in a pretty standard distance from the ball. Second, I have noticed that with my irons, I'm finding the technique a little easier and I am seeing high draws that go further, so I think there is something to it, even though I struggle with the driver still. Finally, when I started playing golf, I was on a pretty tight budget and bought the Bombtech wedge set, which I thought played great- for the price, there's no beating them. Let the haters hate, but it seems they're a company that can make decent clubs at a good price.
Great thoughts here! It takes some work, but I'm finding that if I put the time in, I see imprpvement.
@@GolfTestDummy Yes, the driver in particular is a VERY odd feel. Releasing so early and hitting the low spot so far back is very different from everything I've been taught, but since what I've been taught has lead to a slice and lots of drives OB, different is good. I'm hoping with time and practice, the driver will some day be a useful club.
Great video Chad. Keep them coming. Also I have been trying Marcus swing on the range and course it works great with the irons, but I’m having trouble with the driver as well. Same issue your having I keep blocking it.
Marcus says that I need to keep trying to release even earlier, and that will fix the blocks.
Excellent video sir. These are the same issues I am having, except for the pull hook which still haunts me. I have always been too quick to square or in this case close the club face so over the top for me does not fade its a pull hook. My Irons are still the bigger struggle with Marcus' swing. I am really struggling with consistency and not gaining any distance so far. As you know this is a long time for me to stick with one thing! LOL I am going to keep trying it because my driver has historically been the biggest struggle, and though I am not hitting it like he does, occasionally I am pounding one, but I am gaining confidence with it. The Irons still not so much.
Thanks for this video
Thanks for the support as always PJ! You may just have to keep swinging until something clicks, so stick with it.
@@GolfTestDummy Almost walked away today. Terrible round, nothing working, so frustrated. Not an issue with Marcus swing, an issue with my inability to to get it put together. Gotta tear it apart and start over with a specific practice strategy and plan and log my work and progress. Something has to change man, I want to play good golf SOOOOO BAD. just old man dreams maybe, but I am going to give it everything I can.
I filmed the new video a couple days ago. Very fitting to this comment. Amazing that you had this story to tell, because mine lines right up.
@@GolfTestDummy I think I am starting to wear on Marcus nerves a bit too. I ask too many questions trying to get it figured out and still I am a dumpster fire. Tough time right now for my game.
Hang in there.
You should be able to achieve more carry. Without a DTL or face on angle it is hard to throughly analyze. One thing I did notice is the wrist throw from the top. Marcus explained that from the top the club must be swung down then out. He is 100% right. The unhinging of the wrist from the top in no way achieves this. An increase of the angle between the upper arm and the forearm does. This down move makes swinging from the inside very easy. When combined with recentering it guarantees an inside approach. The wrist action is delivered with the rotation of the body only after the dropping of the clubshaft. Think about it Chad. Take the club to the top and hold it then ask yourself how can I get this shaft and club to lower ? The answer is in the trail arm and not in the wrist. The action of the trail arm and wrist must be separated and used at different times. That is a womans shaft in that driver Chad.
Thanks Chad
Haha, you know, that was allllll insightful, but I was waiting for it. After you opened with "You should be able to achieve more carry", I was waiting for you to tell me "but you can't do it with a blue and white golf bag". Thanks Mike!
Awesome video mate!!! Content is constantly levelling up
I hope so! I've got a few more tricks in the bag coming, but I'm a long way beyond my content 3 years ago, lol.
@@GolfTestDummy Love it mate! Keep on doing great things
Chad - once again, great video. Hurting because I’m starting to build out my golf simulator and I JUST bought a new Optima projector that was a “little” more than the BenQ you proposed. If you felt someone was yelling at you all the way from the DMW, it was me. LOL What does Marcus say about beginner golfers? Then again, I guess I can look it up. Been following Shawn Clement for years and now that I’ll have the opportunity to work consistently in the garage, any insight will be helpful.
Great to hear Kenny, and the Optoma is a great projector also. You'll be very happy.
what elevation is your launch monitor set at? I have similar swing and ball speed numbers as you have in this video, but my distances are considerably less. I'm in Florida a 50' above sea level and measured outdoors with a PRGR, a TopTracer driving range and on course GPS.
Why do I always find these gold nuggets at the end of my golf year.....Saving this for next spring for sure.
Uh oh, you must be in a place with really cold Winters. I'll try and keep you entertained in the off season.
Great video Chad. Well done mate...
Thanks so much Philip!
Really enjoy your videos.
Are you still using the baseball grip for your driver? And why? Are both your hand baseball grip style or only right right hand? Thanks so much
Much appreciated, Eliot! I switched to 10 finger as an experiment back when I did my single plane swing review. I have pains in my hands and wrists really bad, and after a short time with the grip change, I just found much less pain, and it actually produced more consistent results for me.
Could you try a Jim ventoss driver swing ?
Hi Chad. I have much respect for your channel, and I also think Marcus is a gangster :) lol Having said that, what was it that made you move on from his concepts to some extent? Perhaps, it would be the end of your mission of the channel, so I get that :) Just curious. I have only been the the range with Marcus' swing, but it has already solved so many issues. Thanks again for you time.
Many thanks, BD. You nailed it. My only reason was to bring an end to all of the in-depth reviews, and start finding my own swing.
The key to releasing from the top and being able to accelerate the trail hand through impact is to start down right from the top on plane. Without this you will have to stall the progress of the trail hand somewhere in the downswing which is what is happening. When you swung more to right and "blocked" it and had your longest shot you actually swung more in line from the top with where your hands were lined up and thus released through the ball more than the other strikes. If you compare the impacts, you will see that you maintained more trail hand angle through impact in the longer one. On the shorter strikes especially you had dumped a lot of the angle in the trail hand well before impact whereas if you look at Marcus, he has massive retention of that angle and releases it right through impact. Coming from an on plane position right from the top is an essential part of that. Otherwise, you essentially are having to change direction in the downswing to release the club and this forces you to dump some of the angle in the trail wrist.
If you experimented with a shorter tighter arm swing you might be able to get in a better position to optimize the use of the trail hand and arm but one thing is for sure if you can't start down on plane or very close to it right from the top, you are going to have a very hard time getting the most out of your driver. I think that you've got 30-50 yards with your driver tied up in just getting that trail wrist coming in to the ball with a stronger angle and being able to fire it through the ball. Cheers.
I think I have additional yardage in there, like you said. In one of Marcus's videos, he was going through feel versus real basically, and how he has the angles at impact, but he doesn't get them by intending to get them. He actually gets them by trying to get rid of them. In a message yesterday, his advice was to try and release even more and sooner to prevent the block and get the draw.
@@GolfTestDummy Yeah, that is why I was speaking in terms of releasing from the top because I totally agree with Marcus about releasing from the top. However, that is dependant on the position of the folded trail arm and cocked trail wrist relative to the plane that the shaft starts down on from the top. If the shaft is not on plane from the top you cannot keep the folded trail arm and wrist behind the strike starting fron the top. So you can release right from the top and the angles will still naturally be retained and you can drive them right through the strike AS LONG AS the trail arm and wrist are releasing on plane from the top.
With your driver especially you are quite off plane from the top and that means that your trail arm and wrist cannot build up speed and channel it right through the ball starting from the top. You can do it somewhat more when you release further out to right field because that motion puts you closer to the plane that you actually start down on so you can drive the trail hand through the ball a little more but the arm motion ends up being quite a bit from the inside so I think that you will have trouble turning the ball over. Additionally, you still have a limited potential with the plane that you are starting down on to exploit the trail hand and arm.
That is why I think that you should try shorter more compact swings and work on starting down on the same plane that you finish the backswing on and with that also work on releasing from the top which will allow you to retain the angle. Essentially what we are talking about here is a longer (in length) on plane release of the trail arm and wrist which causes that release to happen down and right through the ball and past the ball. The trail arm and wrist can make a longer release BECAUSE they are releasing on plane. Being on plane allows the longer release of the trail apparatus to happen. This is because when the release from the top happens on plane, your hands and arms can sense that the approach into the ball is appropriate for a good strike without changing any angles and so they allow you to continue to build up speed and momentum in the club by naturally and automatically holding the angles until you absolutely have to let them go.
If you look at Marcus' backswing he actually has a very compact arm motion and at the end of the backswing he finishes by driving his trail elbow back behind him further when his arm swing and wrist cock are essentially already finsihed which gives more width to his turn and gives his trail arm more room to release on plane from the top
You are kind of doing the opposite. Your trail elbow moves back at the top but your arms are still also moving so you are trying to get more width at the top which is good but the extra arm motion is taking the club well off plane and there is actually less room for the trail arm to release on plane instead of more. So you need to shorten and tighten your arm motion (trail especially) at the top in order to have an opportunity to start down on plane and get maximum power out of the trail arm and wrist. This is VERY MUCH a part of what Marcus is doing. It is also why you can't find a tour pro that isn't very close to the address shaft plane starting down from the top, because otherwise the power potential that is lost is huge and you can't get it back later in the downswing.
My research has shown me that in the best swings, the motions in the last quarter of the backswing are extremely important to the development of accurate power. What the arms and wrist do relative to the turn that the body has made in that part of the swing is monumentally important. It is like the wind up of a pitcher; if his pitching arm does not move properly at the top of his wind up, he will lose a massive amount of accurate speed. The elbow, wrist and hand of that pitcher all have to move in a precise way to accomplish that. If you look at Marcus' trail arm and wrist motion starting from address, it is very much like a big league pitcher's wind up and release and that is the secret to his power. Cheers.
@@GolfTestDummy Did you understand the last post? Do you want me to elaborate on or explain anything that I wrote? I'd be happy to if you so wish?
In the meantime, here is another analogy. Being off plane starting down is like a boxer attempting to really land a hard punch on the opponent's jaw, so he must drive through with his punch. However, right as he starts to deliver it his opponent moves his head way off the line of the intended punch. Now he is like someone starting down off plane, he can still possibly deliver a pretty solid punch by changing his direction of force, but he can't deliver the punch with the same speed and power that he could have because he started on the wrong arc for maximum power and must accept a weaker blow. Cheers.
I understand most of it yes, and the analogy with the boxer makes sense. I'm just so busy lately that trying to get through everyone's comments and respond accordingly is becoming more difficult. Anytime I've tried to shorten my swing, by simply trying to shorten it as an intent, it never takes root. What I'm working on is trying to make my "circle" back behind me now, starting more from the top of the backswing, in the beginning, by letting my wrist turn the club out shallower. Aside from that, reinventing the wheel at this point is just something I don't have time for.
@@GolfTestDummy Yeah, I have noticed that you work really hard with the comments. Kudos for that. I'm sure with a little more success comes even more demands in that regard. Sorry to add to the burden but I'm hoping it will help with the swing journey.
As far as trying to shallow it out coming down, I was going to suggest something like that as well. Just remember that the trail arm arm will tend to travel in the same front to back depth coming down as it went back on. So if you want a longer length of release of the trail hand (which is what you need) in front of you, through impact, you are going to need a wider motion in front of you in the backswing. This is something you can see in Marcus' backswing, it is compact but he has a lot of width in front of him taking the club back. It's a sharp wrist cock but a wide arm motion in front of him. No need to reply; as though you were thinking of it 🙂Cheers.
Brilliant effort and very entertaining!
Thanks! I hope to at least provide some entertainment, even if my results aren't great, haha.
Awesome Sir! As always, I appreciate how much you bring us into your thought process(es) on the matter.
What are you trying to accomplish with your driver using this method?
Distance?
Solid contact?
Consistency?
Shot shape?
Accuracy?
I know in many ways they're all related but they're also separate.
As Accuracy may not involve Distance and Shot Shape may lessen Consistency, etc.
Solid contact is always desirable UNLESS that ball is headed OB or into some other trouble, right? 😄
As a whole, what would you want the most out your Drives?
If I used your list above, and rearranged them by priority to what I'm hoping for, it would look like this.
Consistency
Distance
Solid contact
Accuracy
Shot shape
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Solid list Sir!
I hope your efforts are fruitful and some genuine consistency comes from it.
When it comes to driver and I think of what it takes to generate Club Head Speed, I believe that to mostly be in the Hands. As that's the final pivot point I think of my Body and Shoulders as the Rolling Start and then let my Hands be the Nitrous. 😄 I would guess this is often referred to as "Lag" but I prefer to think of more as a "Whip." My thought process is: The Body "Twists, like a Coiled Spring," the Shoulders "Swing, like a Pendulum," and my Hands "Whip...like a whip!" 😄
AsI think of swings I think of the greats of the past, Bobby Jones, Byron Nelson, Sam Snead, Seve Ballesteros, Moe Norman, etc. Smooth, Fluid, Graceful but Powerful.
As I tend to analyze things I do in a kind of reverse manner, the golf swing is no exception. I think that's what I like the most about the game, being able to troubleshoot and see/feel the results.
I start with what I want to accomplish and then think about what it'll takes to get there.
I've been working on:
1- Keep it Straight.
2- Solid Contact.
3- Consistant Distance by length of Swing.
4- Distance in total.
5- This all leads to Accuracy.
The other night I was in the park and hit Three consecutive shots (because that's all the balls I had with me) with my 60° Wedge NINETY YARDS! All Three landed within 12-15 feet from one another and within a few feet of Distance.
No this is not average for me and Yes my 60° and I have not gotten along very well in the past. I'm starting to think we're becoming friends. 😁
Amazingly enough I hardly felt like I was swinging but man, everything simply felt so right and each shot looked just as good as the previous one. To tell you the truth, I was in a mild state of Shock. When I checked the yardage and reveled in what I had accomplished, my dog wasn't very excited but I sure as hell was.
It's one hell of a benchmark for me but having done it has concreted in my mind what I'm capable of.
That's Golf for ya, right?
Haha, my dog wasn't excited, but I was made me choke on my drink. Love that. Awesome results too!
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That's awesome! 😄
I taught myself the Golf swing back in the 90's by reading books and taking a club while walking my dog and here I am 30 years later at it again. Except with RUclips, a club, and of course my Dog.
Today is my Baby-Beast, Junior's, 14th Birthday and we're about to head out for another walk and some more chipping practice.
My goal lately has been to get all 20 balls in a row to land where I'm aiming. I've got about 16or17 but there's ALWAYS those few that don't wanna be cool like the other balls.
Best of luck in that endeavor, and happy birthday to your buddy.
Enjoying the ride. Keep going.
Much appreciated Chris!
I like your videos but 240-245 yards carry from a 91 - 94 mph swing? Impossible. 1.51 smash factor? Better trade in that simulator for one that's accurate. Real world you need to hit the sweet spot with 2+ degrees upswing,
Yeah, you can't trust swing speeds. Ball speed is pretty accurate most times. Some of the numbers the sim puts up are not spot on, but tracking my actual distances, with what's on the sim, they are surprisingly close.
You seem to know our Marcus!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
I'm trying to, thanks!
Great video.
Chad, Marcus stand a little open to the target. Are you standing open or square? He says more open encourages and in to out swing.
I need to get a bit more open. My old habit of standing square is creeping back in.
Nice video bud. Well done.
Much appreciated Damian!
Have you looked at Zen golf instructor in the UK
I have, yes. I did a review a while back and a Playlist for it on my channel.
Chad, I am still exploring the concept of throwing the club to release the angles. Monte Scheinblum describes a conversation with David Duvall who said that is what he believed in. In addition. Padraig Harrington states when amateurs try to create lag by holding angles that causes flipping. I am still having trouble with the idea of “casting” and making perfect contact. It is a natural thing to want to throw the golf club and we have all been told not to do this. At a beginner level where there is no use of the body maybe that is the reason this would be bad? Or maybe the combination of an over the top move combined with the throwing of the hands becomes the problem?
Well, in my experiences, there's a big difference between casting, over the top, and releasing as soon as you can from the top. In my opinion, you can release it as fast as you want, as long as it's down, and not out and around. Also, even though you're trying to dump those angles, it doesn't actually happen. It's a feel versus real thing.
@@GolfTestDummy down being inside, and around outside(over the top)?
Yes sir
@@GolfTestDummy Chad, I have to say out of just about everything that I have come across related to the golf swing this is such a big deal. It is worthy of a “Nobel prize “ in golf instruction. In Harvey Pennicks Red Book he mentions to stop casting have the player hit the club with the toe. This leads to believe this issue never had to do with throwing the club. It all had to do with swing path. If your plane you are on plane you don’t need compensations. I wish I understood this stuff when I started 30 years ago.
One other think to add when Hogan said in his book you get a free ride at the beginning of the down, that to me has more to do with the transition. Unless you are extremly strong and fast like a Tony Finau you need a slower transition which would explain the “free ride”. Would you agree with that?
how long are your drivers? great stuff.
44.5 to 45 typically.
Chad, could you please review CHAGOL GOLF golf swing method which replicates the baseball swing and is very popular with Asian golfers ? The teacher is Charlie. Thanks.
I will definitely look into that. I've watched quite a bit of the Asian coaches, and love what some are putting out.
Nice work “Shad” haha
Thanks! 😆
I think you have a new swing
It's coming along!
I know itÄs nearly a year too late to comment 🤣 but Marcus is not releasing the club like you do. Marcus is "scooping" you are more or less rolling your hands over, exactly what Marcus mentioned not to do - but if it works, why not 😂
It looks like your twisting your hands at impact.
Very similar to the Overhand golf method.
Definitely that feeling of "hitting behind you".
To hit the driver well, people need to know lag is an effect, not the cause.
Very true, and I have a video concept I need to film soon. Lag is like a savings account. It's great to create and have, but if you never actually use it, it's pointless.
You have to have two different set ups that leads to two different swings
Agreed, and in my case, I've been able to start zeroing in on that. Driver has the ball more forward, I have some shoulder tilt, and my weight is more toward the trail side.
If you could get back spin down to ~2500, you'd be hitting it ~20 yards further
That's true, but I can't be sure the spin rate on the R10 is accurate. It doesn't measure spin, it just calculates it based on other metrics that it actually does measure.
Lean your shoulders back a little more and before you start twist the face a little close in your brip
Fire rhule!!!!!
They did, haha! That's a step in the right direction, but we're just awful.
Who is Marcus edblad?
Go check out his channel. Swedish long driver and instructor.
Very entertaining. Please do Eureka (Steve Johnson) Golf method at some point.
I most likely will. Thanks LA!