Think its time you got back on the bus Chad....there are quite a few different swings out there to try... gravity golf...Martin Chuck tour striker...etc etc..... Personally i loved this content..when a guy was prepared to rip up his swing and try something new... And i think its something most amateurs do every weekend...the latest swing thought...the new idea Think thisvwas when your channel was at its best
Well, I appreciate that very much, and while I can't say I'm at place where I want to rip my swing to shreds again, I agree that there are a few others out there that are intriguing.
You know every type of swing that’s on you tube sounds like it’s the answer. These guys do such a great job of explaining how easy it is and how it will make us such better players. I still go down the rabbit hole😂
I've been playing golf around 7 months now (not too regularly unfortunately). Been on a range/course/pitch&putt a little over 50 times. Had 4 or 5 full rounds of golf. Almost all self taught through watching RUclips. The one that got me improving to playing decent golf was watching only stack and tilt Saguto Golf which made things more simple for me. I've broken 100 already. The Jim Venetos swing I just saw on your channel last week and I'm dying to get on the range with it coz indoors it feels so good and easy dare I say its hard to miss it seems. I feel like the Stillness thing might be the very best advice ever tbh
@GolfTestDummy your channel and videos like this help people a lot. It was actually through here I saw single plane and tried, and I'm pretty sure I saw stack and tilt here first too
@GolfTestDummy S&T seems to eliminate the most variables, especially the Saguto Golf channel way, my only thoughts are 'Set and forget, swing with shoulders'. After seeing your vids on JVGA and looking into his channel the Stillness thing has added a great little golden nugget. That swing feels like almost no variables
Very timely video. Funny thing is for me the remedy for my open cub face due to higher swing speeds and my slight over the top which results in the longer irons being a weak face/slice; was to take Shawn's stronger grip and Jim's closed set up position which enabled me to swing out through the ball and not to feel constricted, and with the grip being stronger allowed me to draw the ball with a decent ball flight and carry distance. People at the range look at me like I have 3 heads but this works. Loving my 6 and 5 iron again.
Really loved this. I think because there just isn't a single fix for everyone but sometimes there is a swing thought or style that suits someone. Me for instance have tried many of the tips you displayed in this video. I've found Edblad's swing path with turn to be the most helpful although I had some success with the others. Funny while he stresses a trail hand dominate swing, I've found it work's best for me with a lead hand dominate. Just goes to show everyone is an individual and while not everyone can attain their desired ceiling they can certainly gain and improve. The one tip you sort of left out was your own that you have shared recently. Consistency of playing within yourself.
Good to see you back Chad. I thought you'd given up. I found this video particularly useful, so thank you for that. Personally, I fall into the Marcus Edblad camp, with a little of the Jim Venetos' stillness. You have a great channel, keep them coming.
Great video! So many different swing concepts, some seemingly very different, but they all hold universal truths that can lead us to "our" best swing and game. I am currently hitting the ball straighter and better than ever before, and "my" swing doesn't religiously follow any one of these methods. I wven have some things in my swing that are from Bobby Jones How I Play Golf series( my grip mainly). This may be the best of your videos if only because it makes the point of universal truths. The reality is we all have a golf swing inside of us and sometimes it takes multiple sources to bring it out. Sorry to be long winded but I really appreciate this content. God bless and may you suceed in all your endeavors sir!
Great video and stillness of the head has been my kryptonite …. I think it’s not moving but video proves me wrong … I am using the stack and tilt system guess I am a Saguto golfer … however your videos make a lot of sense to me and I can really relate … prayers for your and your family especially your wife!!!
Chad, this has nothing to do with golf, but I pray you, family and friends are okay in NC after Helene’s destruction. Now, back to golf. Each of us should find a swing that works best for us, whether through a coach or trial and error, then practice it to become as good as you can. I agree with you, how it looks is unimportant, it’s the results you get that matter. Cheers.
Luckily, we're in the eastern part of the state, so we're all clear here. But, my middle daughter was in Lake Lure at the time, lost power and cell signal. She had no clue how bad it was, but instinctively, made it out before things got really bad.
Ved this! Your journey very similsr to main with all the same guys,i tried them each for 9mths too! Lol 😂 I settled on one plane swing,not had a bad round yet,consistent,long,simple...shot my best scores regularly incl PB..73. Come from 16 down to 8. All of this experimenting like you said is an education and only good in the long run for you if your patient!
Interesting video and you were in fine form in the oration department and the golf wasn't bad either. My takeaway on all of these swings is related to something that you mentioned, that being the trail arm and hand being the engine (my words) of the golf swing. IMO all of these methods are trying to nail down the relationship between the trail arm and the motion of the torso in order to achieve the purest most accurate delivery. This makes sense because the bigger and more energetic that the swing becomes the more complex and nuanced that the relationship between the trail arm and the body becomes and thus multiplied errors of proprioception start to occur. This is a twofold problem, people don't know what they should be trying to do in many cases, and when they do, they are not able to perceive the appropriate motion while they are swinging. Thus for average golfers, it makes sense to vouchsafe some motion of the trail arm and hand into the ball by eliminating factors that ramp up the complexity and invite imprecision. Without a doubt, a motion of the trail arm, hand and club that is synched up with even a minimal turning through of the upper body through the shot is BY FAR the biggest bang for your buck that one can get in golf, in terms of effective ball striking. Everything else is just thickening the already stocked, simmered and seasoned soup of the golf swing. You have seen me write a lot about Champ's swing. I was recently looking at it again, as well as many others. What really struck me tremendously recently is that his turn and arm motion are very simple when you understand what he is doing (whether one can even do it or not is another thing because he is extremely flexible). He is producing about the biggest turn and club movement possible because he is very wide with the club and his arms while he makes a very big chest turn which is simultaneously relative to both the vertical and horizontal plane. The wide motion of the club respects his motion in both of these planes so that he has truly built up the most potential energy possible with his particular backswing arc. However, my research and experimentation. has revealed that the secret sauce of these is the motion of the trail arm, hand and club. If these were wrong, the whole motion would turn to mush. In testing this, I have discovered firstly that Champ makes the absolutely ideal motion and setting of the trail side arm , club, and hand apparatus and that this is his greatest secret. He has the arrow so perfectly drawn, so to speak, that he just needs to start shifting his weight and firing his hips and the club begins to hyperaccelerate right on plane. Even the slightest alteration of the trail arm and hand position at the top will "unload" the high powered rifle of this ideal linkage that he has created between his moving torso and the trail arm/hand/club combo. You may think I exaggerate but it really is the case However, the other discovery about this that I made is in some ways more interesting. That being that every single combination of turn components, takeaway components, foot pressure flow, degree of uprightness, head motion, hand pressure flow, and tempo has a unique ideal cocking and release pattern of the trail arm/hand/club mechanism. In playing around with this, I have found motions that correspond with many swing variations and have also become physically more intuitive about this aspect of the swing and how it can dynamically shift with slight changes in the aforementioned variables. Once you find that ideal TA motion for a particular swing, it is like finding the key to a lock and a new sense of flow, power and clubhead squaring becomes extremely intuitive. Thus it makes sense, as I already said, that people will find a lot of success from being able to program the other variables to a high degree and thus be able to mine the riches of the TA mechanism in a reliable fashion. Just being able to do that can be like finding camelot for a lost golfer. Nevertheless, I am beginning to have confidence that getting some significant extra out of of utilizing other available sources of extra power for those that want it may not be as hard as I and others have conventionally thought and may be more accessible when these things are understood in their proper context. Cheers.
@@GolfTestDummy A further thought on my comment on trail hand/arm motion. This is GOLD seriously. No matter how you swing, right at the moment of change of direction, (because with a hard swing, there can be a lot of happening just before that point) the club needs to fall into the trail hand so that the trail wrist is in that Sean Foley Prosendr position, but with the grip predominantly resting on the index finger on the first finger segment from the palm, whereby the last 2-3 fingers of the trail hand are very relaxed, almost to the point of being able to let go. This is actually a good way to practice this; take the club to the top with just the trail hand, get in that Prosendr wrist flex and almost let go of those last 2-3 fingers. That is what the trail hand should feel in the very last moment of the transition, right at the change of direction of the shaft. No matter how one swings this puts the trail hand behind the club shaft as you change direction and release the trail arm. The somewhat letting go is very important though because the trail hand starts out less fully behind the shaft, where only the upper index finger is behind it at first and then as the shaft lowers, the hand works more fully behind the shaft towords impact and actually moves more out and around the shaft through and beyond impact. None of this has to be done consciously though if one gets into the right position at the top; basically the release of the trail hand and even the arm become virtually automatic. The thing to remember though, as I said but I am emphasizing it, is that for bigger/harder swings and/or longer clubs, there can be a lot of motion in the feet, head, knees and upper body as the golfer seeks to optimize leverage during the very last instants before the change of direction. The trail hand must adapt to this by finding the aformentioned trail hand (and finger) position ONLY at the very last instant before change of direction occurs. This is what ensures that the trail hand is behind that particular compound set of motions that the golfer has done in THAT particular swing. As I have gone through confirming this, it has begun to make perfect sense to me since I have been aware for a long time that there is clearly some very dynamic relationship between the trail hand (and arm) and the swing motion as a whole. In my experience, this goes a very long way towards making the swing much more intuitive and almost automatic since it allows one to feel the build up of speed and the squaring of the club simultaneously. What is exciting to me is that one can extend the swing arc by reaching much higher with the lead arm late in the backswing (ala Champ and other very long hitters) and, using this approach, still easily find the right trail arm/hand sequence for a good release. I recently saw a female golf instructor demonstrating this exact position with the isolated trail hand and a club in a youtube ad and calling it a feel key. I skipped past the ad and was ambivalent about the claim but didn't dismiss it either. But as I have determined, she is exactly right as long as one makes sure to find that position RIGHT before the club changes direction which is an important distinction in many cases. I know that you have limited TW mobility so this is possibly not perfectly applicable to your case but may still aid you if you can determine how it applies to your particular range of motion and I think that you will be very pleased. Cheers.
Chad: Have you tried 1) OTT Miracle Swing (Christo) 2) Peak Performance Swing (Trahan) 3) Vertical Inline Swing (Todd Kolb) 4) Open Stance Academy Thanks.
@@GolfTestDummy Chad: The OTT Miracle Swing guy says all this shallowing and dropping it under is 100% wrong and provides numerous examples of top players who take it inside and then over the top of that inside takeaway and back on plane, so it's a counterclockwise loop as opposed to outside takeaway and clockwise loop that I'm trying to make work now. It sure is not 40 degrees out like Marcus and seems to leverage the club and use the strong trail side but I can't make it work. Can you do a deep dive on this and a short video? This is suppossed to be a "revolutionary" discovery that negates all this conventional teaching. This is GTD TERRITORY here! Suppose you try it and start shooting 62? lol
GOLF TEST DUMMY,,,,,,,Would love for you to try the HEARD SUPER SWING,,,,,HSS,,,,,,you will hit the longest drives of your life with the least amount of effort,,,,,,,you will be able to pick it up in one driving range visit,,,,GIVE IT A TEST DRIVE !!! ,thx PARDS
Oddly enough, I'd apparently started watching a video on that a while back, because when I searched and clicked on it, the video started about half way through. I remembered it once it started playing.
Think its time you got back on the bus Chad....there are quite a few different swings out there to try... gravity golf...Martin Chuck tour striker...etc etc.....
Personally i loved this content..when a guy was prepared to rip up his swing and try something new...
And i think its something most amateurs do every weekend...the latest swing thought...the new idea
Think thisvwas when your channel was at its best
Well, I appreciate that very much, and while I can't say I'm at place where I want to rip my swing to shreds again, I agree that there are a few others out there that are intriguing.
You know every type of swing that’s on you tube sounds like it’s the answer. These guys do such a great job of explaining how easy it is and how it will make us such better players. I still go down the rabbit hole😂
I've been playing golf around 7 months now (not too regularly unfortunately). Been on a range/course/pitch&putt a little over 50 times. Had 4 or 5 full rounds of golf. Almost all self taught through watching RUclips. The one that got me improving to playing decent golf was watching only stack and tilt Saguto Golf which made things more simple for me. I've broken 100 already. The Jim Venetos swing I just saw on your channel last week and I'm dying to get on the range with it coz indoors it feels so good and easy dare I say its hard to miss it seems. I feel like the Stillness thing might be the very best advice ever tbh
You're swimming in the right places, haha.
@GolfTestDummy your channel and videos like this help people a lot. It was actually through here I saw single plane and tried, and I'm pretty sure I saw stack and tilt here first too
Yep, did both of them and love them both.
@GolfTestDummy S&T seems to eliminate the most variables, especially the Saguto Golf channel way, my only thoughts are 'Set and forget, swing with shoulders'. After seeing your vids on JVGA and looking into his channel the Stillness thing has added a great little golden nugget. That swing feels like almost no variables
Tom is really good ! Also porzak golf is good . He promotes balanced set up with weight bumped forward. Great communicator.
Very timely video. Funny thing is for me the remedy for my open cub face due to higher swing speeds and my slight over the top which results in the longer irons being a weak face/slice; was to take Shawn's stronger grip and Jim's closed set up position which enabled me to swing out through the ball and not to feel constricted, and with the grip being stronger allowed me to draw the ball with a decent ball flight and carry distance. People at the range look at me like I have 3 heads but this works. Loving my 6 and 5 iron again.
Just focus on that great production and keep ignoring the haters. 👍🏻
Interesting takes, enjoyed the video.
Thanks, Les!
Found you 5 yrs ago with your Jimmy V series ... been subbed since...
So grateful for that kind of support.
Really loved this. I think because there just isn't a single fix for everyone but sometimes there is a swing thought or style that suits someone. Me for instance have tried many of the tips you displayed in this video. I've found Edblad's swing path with turn to be the most helpful although I had some success with the others. Funny while he stresses a trail hand dominate swing, I've found it work's best for me with a lead hand dominate. Just goes to show everyone is an individual and while not everyone can attain their desired ceiling they can certainly gain and improve. The one tip you sort of left out was your own that you have shared recently. Consistency of playing within yourself.
I find better results with my lead hand also. One size never fits all.
Good to see you back Chad.
I thought you'd given up.
I found this video particularly useful, so thank you for that.
Personally, I fall into the Marcus Edblad camp, with a little of the Jim Venetos' stillness.
You have a great channel, keep them coming.
Many thanks to you, Shaun.
Great video! So many different swing concepts, some seemingly very different, but they all hold universal truths that can lead us to "our" best swing and game. I am currently hitting the ball straighter and better than ever before, and "my" swing doesn't religiously follow any one of these methods. I wven have some things in my swing that are from Bobby Jones How I Play Golf series( my grip mainly). This may be the best of your videos if only because it makes the point of universal truths. The reality is we all have a golf swing inside of us and sometimes it takes multiple sources to bring it out. Sorry to be long winded but I really appreciate this content. God bless and may you suceed in all your endeavors sir!
Might be the best comment I've gotten in a very long time. You get it. Thanks for that.
@@GolfTestDummy you just keep doing what you do. Plenty are getting it and there's more to come. God bless my friend
Great video and stillness of the head has been my kryptonite …. I think it’s not moving but video proves me wrong … I am using the stack and tilt system guess I am a Saguto golfer … however your videos make a lot of sense to me and I can really relate … prayers for your and your family especially your wife!!!
Many thanks for that, and Saguto is awesome. Hard to wrong with him.
Cool video. Love hearing your accent trying to take on a Swedish one! Keep up the good content !
Haha. Yeah, it's probably not my superpower.
Chad, this has nothing to do with golf, but I pray you, family and friends are okay in NC after Helene’s destruction. Now, back to golf. Each of us should find a swing that works best for us, whether through a coach or trial and error, then practice it to become as good as you can. I agree with you, how it looks is unimportant, it’s the results you get that matter. Cheers.
Luckily, we're in the eastern part of the state, so we're all clear here. But, my middle daughter was in Lake Lure at the time, lost power and cell signal. She had no clue how bad it was, but instinctively, made it out before things got really bad.
Ved this! Your journey very similsr to main with all the same guys,i tried them each for 9mths too! Lol 😂 I settled on one plane swing,not had a bad round yet,consistent,long,simple...shot my best scores regularly incl PB..73. Come from 16 down to 8. All of this experimenting like you said is an education and only good in the long run for you if your patient!
Yeah, I don't recommend people blowing up their swings and starting something new all the time like I did, but it was fun experimenting.
Interesting video and you were in fine form in the oration department and the golf wasn't bad either. My takeaway on all of these swings is related to something that you mentioned, that being the trail arm and hand being the engine (my words) of the golf swing. IMO all of these methods are trying to nail down the relationship between the trail arm and the motion of the torso in order to achieve the purest most accurate delivery. This makes sense because the bigger and more energetic that the swing becomes the more complex and nuanced that the relationship between the trail arm and the body becomes and thus multiplied errors of proprioception start to occur.
This is a twofold problem, people don't know what they should be trying to do in many cases, and when they do, they are not able to perceive the appropriate motion while they are swinging. Thus for average golfers, it makes sense to vouchsafe some motion of the trail arm and hand into the ball by eliminating factors that ramp up the complexity and invite imprecision. Without a doubt, a motion of the trail arm, hand and club that is synched up with even a minimal turning through of the upper body through the shot is BY FAR the biggest bang for your buck that one can get in golf, in terms of effective ball striking. Everything else is just thickening the already stocked, simmered and seasoned soup of the golf swing.
You have seen me write a lot about Champ's swing. I was recently looking at it again, as well as many others. What really struck me tremendously recently is that his turn and arm motion are very simple when you understand what he is doing (whether one can even do it or not is another thing because he is extremely flexible). He is producing about the biggest turn and club movement possible because he is very wide with the club and his arms while he makes a very big chest turn which is simultaneously relative to both the vertical and horizontal plane. The wide motion of the club respects his motion in both of these planes so that he has truly built up the most potential energy possible with his particular backswing arc. However, my research and experimentation. has revealed that the secret sauce of these is the motion of the trail arm, hand and club. If these were wrong, the whole motion would turn to mush. In testing this, I have discovered firstly that Champ makes the absolutely ideal motion and setting of the trail side arm , club, and hand apparatus and that this is his greatest secret. He has the arrow so perfectly drawn, so to speak, that he just needs to start shifting his weight and firing his hips and the club begins to hyperaccelerate right on plane. Even the slightest alteration of the trail arm and hand position at the top will "unload" the high powered rifle of this ideal linkage that he has created between his moving torso and the trail arm/hand/club combo. You may think I exaggerate but it really is the case
However, the other discovery about this that I made is in some ways more interesting. That being that every single combination of turn components, takeaway components, foot pressure flow, degree of uprightness, head motion, hand pressure flow, and tempo has a unique ideal cocking and release pattern of the trail arm/hand/club mechanism. In playing around with this, I have found motions that correspond with many swing variations and have also become physically more intuitive about this aspect of the swing and how it can dynamically shift with slight changes in the aforementioned variables. Once you find that ideal TA motion for a particular swing, it is like finding the key to a lock and a new sense of flow, power and clubhead squaring becomes extremely intuitive. Thus it makes sense, as I already said, that people will find a lot of success from being able to program the other variables to a high degree and thus be able to mine the riches of the TA mechanism in a reliable fashion. Just being able to do that can be like finding camelot for a lost golfer. Nevertheless, I am beginning to have confidence that getting some significant extra out of of utilizing other available sources of extra power for those that want it may not be as hard as I and others have conventionally thought and may be more accessible when these things are understood in their proper context. Cheers.
Thanks, T! I felt like I got through pretty clearly and with some good food for thought.
@@GolfTestDummy A further thought on my comment on trail hand/arm motion. This is GOLD seriously. No matter how you swing, right at the moment of change of direction, (because with a hard swing, there can be a lot of happening just before that point) the club needs to fall into the trail hand so that the trail wrist is in that Sean Foley Prosendr position, but with the grip predominantly resting on the index finger on the first finger segment from the palm, whereby the last 2-3 fingers of the trail hand are very relaxed, almost to the point of being able to let go.
This is actually a good way to practice this; take the club to the top with just the trail hand, get in that Prosendr wrist flex and almost let go of those last 2-3 fingers. That is what the trail hand should feel in the very last moment of the transition, right at the change of direction of the shaft. No matter how one swings this puts the trail hand behind the club shaft as you change direction and release the trail arm.
The somewhat letting go is very important though because the trail hand starts out less fully behind the shaft, where only the upper index finger is behind it at first and then as the shaft lowers, the hand works more fully behind the shaft towords impact and actually moves more out and around the shaft through and beyond impact. None of this has to be done consciously though if one gets into the right position at the top; basically the release of the trail hand and even the arm become virtually automatic.
The thing to remember though, as I said but I am emphasizing it, is that for bigger/harder swings and/or longer clubs, there can be a lot of motion in the feet, head, knees and upper body as the golfer seeks to optimize leverage during the very last instants before the change of direction. The trail hand must adapt to this by finding the aformentioned trail hand (and finger) position ONLY at the very last instant before change of direction occurs. This is what ensures that the trail hand is behind that particular compound set of motions that the golfer has done in THAT particular swing. As I have gone through confirming this, it has begun to make perfect sense to me since I have been aware for a long time that there is clearly some very dynamic relationship between the trail hand (and arm) and the swing motion as a whole. In my experience, this goes a very long way towards making the swing much more intuitive and almost automatic since it allows one to feel the build up of speed and the squaring of the club simultaneously.
What is exciting to me is that one can extend the swing arc by reaching much higher with the lead arm late in the backswing (ala Champ and other very long hitters) and, using this approach, still easily find the right trail arm/hand sequence for a good release. I recently saw a female golf instructor demonstrating this exact position with the isolated trail hand and a club in a youtube ad and calling it a feel key. I skipped past the ad and was ambivalent about the claim but didn't dismiss it either. But as I have determined, she is exactly right as long as one makes sure to find that position RIGHT before the club changes direction which is an important distinction in many cases.
I know that you have limited TW mobility so this is possibly not perfectly applicable to your case but may still aid you if you can determine how it applies to your particular range of motion and I think that you will be very pleased. Cheers.
Chad: Have you tried 1) OTT Miracle Swing (Christo)
2) Peak Performance Swing (Trahan)
3) Vertical Inline Swing (Todd Kolb)
4) Open Stance Academy
Thanks.
I probably have a bit of OTT anyway, but never formally tried any of those, no.
@@GolfTestDummy
Chad: The OTT Miracle Swing guy says all this shallowing and dropping it under is 100% wrong and provides numerous examples of top players who take it inside and then over the top of that inside takeaway and back on plane, so it's a counterclockwise loop as opposed to outside takeaway and clockwise loop that I'm trying to make work now. It sure is not 40 degrees out like Marcus and seems to leverage the club and use the strong trail side but I can't make it work. Can you do a deep dive on this and a short video? This is suppossed to be a "revolutionary" discovery that negates all this conventional teaching. This is GTD TERRITORY here!
Suppose you try it and start shooting 62? lol
I keep returning to JV teachings, just works for me
It works for a lot of people. Great stuff.
Have you checked out Overhand golf and the Holy grail?
I have, yes. Pretty cool concept.
@@GolfTestDummy he now has a website but it’s ridiculously expensive.
GOLF TEST DUMMY,,,,,,,Would love for you to try the HEARD SUPER SWING,,,,,HSS,,,,,,you will hit the longest drives of your life with the least amount of effort,,,,,,,you will be able to pick it up in one driving range visit,,,,GIVE IT A TEST DRIVE !!! ,thx PARDS
Oddly enough, I'd apparently started watching a video on that a while back, because when I searched and clicked on it, the video started about half way through. I remembered it once it started playing.
Lots of fluff talk....and self indulgence.
Slowing down is thee most important statement 🏌️👍
Let's freaking go 🏌️
Hope you like it!